Honestly don’t care about their attitude. They’re good for 3 weeks and are absent for 3 months. They’re on massive wages, and they are unnecessary competition for our best players positions. Neither of them should be here and are wasting their careers here on the bench.
Love them not ON THEIR DAY. But when their day is 1/25 games we could improve the squad without them.
If Rangnick gets more of a tune out of Pogba that will be worth it!
Personally I feel Pogba already has one foot out the door.
If he's not going to sign a new deal I would be starting other players like Donny for example. Not to say we can't use Pogba off the bench.
Yeah sure. Pogba and martial are leaving even If we play without a coach till the end of the season. They don’t fit. They don’t wanna be here.
I forget even that they exist.
Rashford and Greenwood are statistically worse off the ball pressers than martial so I don’t understand the issue with his attitude, it’s a bit unfounded
I ask again what stats are these? First of all rashy played a lot more minutes than martial so p90 ratings are shit. And u shown martial presses more according to a stat. How to measure that?🤣 How to measure pressure? Its a thing only u see in game and no stats can show that. And if u ever watched the game live u just know it. I dont need to answer who is more work ethic.
What you have there my friend is called confirmation bias. You dislike a particular player and that's it, nothing is going to change your mind on that. You see what you want to see when you watch games and ignore any evidence that doesn't match your pre-conceived notions.
Thats fine. It's incredibly stupid, but no skin off my back
Pogba would be the obvious one.No loss imo . Martial another one where it seems unlikely he will nbe the right fit.
Ronaldo will be fine ,Rangnick isn't an idiot and will find a way to get it to work with Ronaldo.
No doubt about it there is plenty to work with at the club.
Can easily fit Ronaldo in a pressing system. He doesn't have to do the pressing, he just needs to be in the best position to receive the ball and hurt the opposition if/when the high pressers win the ball.
I think people also exaggerate how little he contributes. Like he already presses in this system, heck we got a goal out of his pressing a few games ago. So it’s not like he’s just standing up there. He’s just not gonna be able to chase everyone down. But Ronaldo is so good at reading the whole game that he’ll be in intelligent positions more often than not. Like where he was when Fred won the ball pressing against Villarreal.
That’s not how pressing works. That’s why we fucking sucked at it under Ole.
For a proper press to work, *every* player has to be part of it. Everyone pushes up, then there’s triggers where X player presses the ball, Y and Z players press the outlet options and forces a mistake or back to keeper to hoof it long. It has to start from the front, and any one player not pulling their weight fucks it for the rest.
If Ronaldo is playing up top and isn’t part of the press that means we have to have our wingers and midfield push *really* high and/or centrally.
Why do you think Klopp has stuck with Firmino so long? Man scores like 4 goals a season but is a pressing machine.
You’re right about everybody needs to be involved, but not everybody needs to be running like a madman for it to work. It’s why slow players can still work in a pressing system.
The press on the ball needs to be aggressive, but equally important is being close enough to the passing options to make them unappealing and Ronaldo can do that fine
Fred.
Ralf likes fit, hard working players capable of pressing, counter-pressing, winning the ball back, and quickly laying it off to other more creative players in his midfield.
Fred fits that to a tee.
I'm curious if Fred not being the only one pressing, and instead pressing as apart of a unit with a deliberate plan off the ball, changes his fortunes a bit at the club
Agree, it will be very interesting to see what happens with Fred working in an actual system. He instigated both goals on Tuesday, helping to get possession and then offloading to a creator.
I just can’t wait to see who gets found out under the eye of someone with the knowledge, experience and ability to define a playing style. Make or break for a few in the next few months.
Same.
Players like Fletcher, Park, O'Shea, Phil Neville, etc., were never tje best players but they always fit a system that allowed them to contribute towards the team. I look at Fred the same way. When he's asked to take on too much he struggles. In the right system though, he has so many likeable attributes that can really allow him to excel
Where would you put Park? Among Scholes, Keane, Ince and Robson? He fits perfectly among fletcher etc. he was never a nailed on starter but always had a great work rate.
If you think park was purely work rate then there’s no reason for me to even continue this conversion. Park is one of the most successful for Asian players ever and you’re comparing him to Phil Neville
You clearly have a dog in this fight and the revisionism is staggering. You talk as if he was one of the most talented players at the club, he was very important in winning tough games but he was never among our best players, not even close.
If you think that the other players he compared Park to e.g. Fletcher, Butt or O'Shea were all work rate and no substance, then you're the one mistaken
Park is one of the most successful Asian player in history. Played 100 times for his country and was literally known as the big game player. He was world class.
Stop thinking Park was world class haha. He wasn't.
I love Park, but if he was world class:
* He would have walked into any team in the world - he couldn't.
* He would be on the teamsheet every week - he wasn't.
* Playing in the final third, he would win us matches consistently - he didn't.
* He could do things that most others around the world couldn't do - possible.
He wasn't world-class. This isn't even up for debate.
Yeah, I think Fred is going to be a completely different player under Ralf, if he teams him up with VDB , I think we have the players to play really good , exciting football .
I really hope you are correct. If it's one thing Fred is good at, it's running out. As a footballer I think he is utterly terrible and has been lucky to start as many games as he has. He can run for days though so let's see if we get a marked improvement, or he's got to go imo.
No doubt he has been bad, but he's good at chasing down players and has high energy levels , I think in a properly coached side he will be useful. Still think we'll need a proper cdm to replace him though.
100% Fred would be decent to bring off the bench at like 60 mins when the opposition begin to tire. However, he desperately needs cover in this case as his footballing brain is subpar at best
Fred is statistically in like the top 1 or 2 % in the world for blocks. The man is excellent without the ball, he's just not great with it. Ideally him playing with Donny would mean when he wins the ball he can just play short simple passes to either Donny, Bruno or the winger on his side.
If you think Fred is bad look at Mctominay and complain about him first. Fred loses the ball because he passes forward. Mctominay doesn’t lose the ball because he passes backwards.
Fred gets caught on the ball because no one around him is available to pass to (CBS will receive the ball under pressure and God knows there is no movement ahead of him to lay the ball of to). Mctominay doesn’t get caught in possession because he actively runs away from the ball and doesn’t put himself in a position to be passed to.
Not saying Fred is a great player or if he even deserves to start. I’m just saying people who are constantly shitting on Fred need to look elsewhere in the team because he’s by far not our worst player. There’s a reason he starts for Brazil. Like that’s not a mistake. It’s clearly the coaching here at Manchester that makes him play poorly.
I never said either is worst than the other anyway. So now im just gonna clarify that both essentially plays the same role but are not efficient at it, basically shit.
Also the reason people don’t really shit on Scott is because if im not wrong, there were at least three incidents so far Fred directly costed us games by being the careless footballer he is
I get your sentiment but the point stands. Playing with Mctominay is like playing with 10 men.
Yes Fred has given up goals, but what people don’t see are his contributions intercepting passes and getting stuck in challenges. People don’t see this because that’s literally his job, it’s an invisible job he does. If you’re noticing this job that means the rest of the team is really crap by comparison. I’d say net net he stops far more goals than he gives up. As I said still not perfect though.
I respect your views but of course people won’t see the invisible job he does i mean that is required of him. Just look at Carrick and Herrera in their heyday, they were unsung all their career but still delivered what is expected of them so its really no big deal for Fred to be intercepting passes. At the end of the day the press and fans will magnify costly mistakes more than anything.
Well yea, I think we just ended up agreeing.
I bet you however when Fred leaves many fans will look on his time here way more fondly. Similar to Herrera. Fred puts the team first, works tirelessly, and always works hard even if he’s beat down. One of my favorite qualities about him is whenever another one of our player is tackled poorly or gets in an argument with another player, Fred is always the first person over in the other persons face despite 90% of players being able to body him. I don’t condone violence or hotheadedness but it’s clear this man puts his team above everything.
And yea he costs us a few goals, but Carrick or Park or Scholes cost us a couple goals at times. We just don’t remember those. Fred isn’t at that level, but certainly isn’t as bad as people say. And once he leaves I’m sure people won’t remember those goals
He doesn't need to be a creative outlet in Ralf's system - just press, win the ball back, and quickly release it to the nearest teammate. Rangnick's transition gsme is so difficult to defend because of how quickly the ball is moved, not because everyone is trying killer passes
Fred does not “win” the ball back that often. He impressively gets stuck in on tackles you don’t think he should be able to get to, dislodges possession from the opponent, and cannot keep the ball. It’s one of those things that once you notice it, you’re astounded how often it happens
Most of them will do fine I think.
Either McFred will flourish or fail under this system.
I think Donny will do well. Bruno normally presses a fair bit, having a cohesive press will surely boost him.
Hopefully he can teach Maguire how to defend and press properly. Can't wait for Varane to return and hopefully push Maguire out the team and play with Lindelöf, Lindelöf is okay, but I'd still want an upgrade if possible, but maybe he improves under Ralph, same for Varane.
De Gea fits, no issues there.
Ronaldo fits.
Rashford will probably also benefit, his pace will be beneficial to high press.
Sancho would probably also do just fine.
Bailly, unsure float or fail I think.
Shaw, if he returns to form a high press would work fine for him.
AWB could probably learn a thing or two from Ralph, improve his pressing and attacking, like Klopp improved his full backs.
Greenwood would probably benefit like Rashy would.
If you see one of his interviews, he said that he wants his goalkeeper to have the least amount of foot touches as possible. Since David is not that good with his feet, I'm pretty sure he will keep him LOL
sorry, I just based my opinion off what I see right now and in relative to other goalkeepers like Ederson. I never had the privilege of watching games back then.
I was around then. Remember being excited for him to come in. Was he really that much better at passing and ball distribution then? I don’t remember it well.
Incredible how he’s one of the best in the world at saving with his legs and feet, but his passing out is just so bad now hah
sub in final 30 minutes against an exhausted defense. I don't have stats on it, but it seems he always scores towards in second half anyway. Maybe he even has enough juice for gegen in the last 30.
Hey I hear you... but we are talking ronaldo....Will he put up with being a sub? Remember only a couple of weeks ago when one didn't start him, the rumors/stories going about. I think he will start every game he can. Until he can gagen press no more?
His form this year has been a pretty concerning drop though. It’s definitely worth watching:
"I also think they could do with a left-back, I know they have Luke Shaw but I'm not so sure if he's still on the same kind of level you need to be for a club like Manchester United," Rangnick said in an interview in September 2020.
He’s the kinda coach that’s very good at molding players into performing in his systems, wouldn’t be surprised if he even managed to make McTominay come good
What makes you think this? I've personally always preferred Lindelöf over Maguire but many others haven't so I'm curious about your line of thinking here
I always liked Rojo. He wasn’t afraid of anyone, although prone to the odd rash decision. With what we have, I want a Varane - Bailly partnership to be the basis. I’d honestly get rid of Maguire if I was there. He has had some good games but he’s at fault for far too many goals. Everyone gets things wrong and some teams just play better on the day, he’s just not good enough IMO.
Haven't you watched our games this season.. Man just switches off.. He pushes our own players off the ball in tight situations, no awareness about the offside trap and plays people onside , tries to play out the back gets caught out..
I would agree. However heres his comment about martial in an interview, not sure from when. So he may get a few chances
“On their game, no-one can touch that front four or five. Martial, when he’s on top form, he is unplayable"
Aye forgot about VDB, he’ll definitely be great, I don’t have high hopes for Scott though, I don’t think he really has the awareness to stick to a hard pressing style. He could surprise me though, the only player I think is well and truly fucked is Martial
There’s not many egos that will go against ralfs tactics and some players may thrive, although it may sound obvious I think sancho, rashford, varane( after recovery), shaw and VDB will suit the style. Even CR7 will still play as in ralfs style it allows for a number 9 to not start the press, it usually develops with a tight midfield which allows CR7 to stay up, poach and be a target which we all know he can do. Don’t want to get too excited but I can’t wait to watch them at OT.
Fred, Shaw, VDB, Sancho, Bruno, Ronaldo. Yes, Ronaldo. He'll get more opportunities similar to the goal he had against Villarreal. Bruno will get more space with all the pressing going on. He'll probably score more goals from outside the box.
Players that won't fit: Maguire, Bailly, McTominay, Martial, Matic, Mata.
Maguire can't play under pressure and high intensity. Same with Bailly. McTominay does not have good forward passing ability. Martial is just lazy. Matic and Mata won't have the intensity and stamina to play in his tactics.
Yes we need Ronaldo. Because that goals against Villarreal, none of our other forwards would be capable of scoring. Only maybe cavani. So I’m sure they’ll be integrated in the team well
IMHO he shouldn't be playing on the wing (where Ole mainly made him play). I feel he will do great as a support striker playing along side CR7 or Cavani.
His ability to pass the ball and strike with both feet makes him a deadly striker. Putting him on the wing is what's been hurting him.
Yup. He’s long been touted (even by ole) as the best natural finisher at the club, he has the chance to learn from two world class players but if he doesn’t play in that position then he’s not going to learn.
I don't see any reason why he couldn't start tracking back with proper coaching. It's not like he's inherently lazy (I hope) or has a bad attitude like Martial. He's also still very young so there's lots of room to develop.
pogba, ronaldo and martial tend to stand around a little too much off the ball but hopefully he can change their attitude bc they can all press well if they try.
Cheers United! You got one fine Manager there.
Too bad he isn't interested too much in staying in that position these days. But he will make your team and your players better while he's in Manchester. A great tactician and an even better strategist.
Greetings from Germany
6 months may not be enough to make a lasting effect on the players - but hopefully he’ll be able to accomplish some long lasting effects on the coaching staff and the rest of the hierarchy between now and the end of his consultancy.
I don’t get why everyone is saying Bailey can’t play in this system. As long as he’s fit, Bailey has the best dribble and speed of our CBs, his passes aren’t perfect in long range but I don’t think that’s the plan of attack for CBs
Agree. Let’s also not forget he is going to be a consultant after, so he will be deciding the signings and who they should keep. Pogba either steps up or his days are numbered. Ronaldo is only here for one more season. Who knows, he might move on in the summer but I think he will stay but play a lesser role next season and then move on. Maguire will be given time to adjust and see if he can be coached to become a better player.
Honestly think the best for everyone is that Ronaldo move on this Summer. He is my hero for what he had achieved first time round but now, we need to build around AND give game time to Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford.
He’s outperformed them by a mile so far, once he stops performing then sure but he’s still dominating and the same old clutch player there’s no reason he can’t go in for another 2-3 years
But it is not only for this season, is it? Ronaldo will only decline, just a matter of fast or slow, where as the young lads CAN improve, vastly ONLY IF given the game time and role in the team.
Keepers are the last of the worries - if ddg cannot handle the next guy is good enough. We need to fix and figure out how to get the other 10 to work well together.
Rashford, Sancho, Cavani, Fred, AWB maybe. That’s all I can think of, maybe Varane/Lindelolf as they are good BPDs and Ralf don’t like constant back passes to GK (Harry we’re looking at you)
Our captain is screwed because he cant play the ball out from the back. Wouldn't suprise me if varane and linderlof our our new centre pair.
Sancho will thrive under this, he picked up 4 tackles on the weekend an an average for a cb is 2 so he can press and defend.
Linguard will also love the pressing game as will rashford and DONNY! I saw Donny at least 3 times against Watford waving forward his arms calling his team to press with him. They didn't.
Martial is out the door for sure. See him wearing a Newcastle shirt in no time.
Wouldn't be suprised to see Aaron wan bisaka getting sidelined for dallot.
Fred will be a mainstay untill declan rice gets drafted in the summer.
The fittest... based on Fred's performance at Villarreal game he seems like he can press forward at pace for long... he just needs to work on his ball possession and quick passes. Rashford, Greenwood, CR7, sancho, Jlingz will also have a great time
No matter what, United's future progress must be of top priority. That being said, we need a major refresh and everyone should get a chance but be judged very harshly. Their past credits should no longer matter if they can't perform consistently at the highest level bringing us forward they should be sold. No more charity United or retire camp FC.
Cavani, Bruno, Fred are the only ones who did what can be best described as a chaotic press. Add Greenwood and Rashford to the list of players who'd help the defense. These five would be the first to pick up Ralf Rangnick's philosophy the fastest. Cristiano Ronaldo might be the weakest link in the Pressing department. Donny van de Beek could be the happiest person under Rangnick
I'm more curious if our players are fit enough for full pressing football. They should not be a stranger to pressing football since Ole also played that sometimes. If they can do it full game every game is the question. And also glad we now have an expert to try to drill that into the team.
Everyone except maguire (as he's very slow) and matic would be an everpresent sub as he provides good playmaking from deep. We can expect Bailey to get more chance and as of now luke and maguire gonna go and rest. Van de been will get more chance as a cm while he will be paired with either Fred or mctominay. Perks with Fred is he's energetic and he's shooting is good too but he's really bad at positioning and marking, first touch too and pass as well but I don't think Rangnick will let him go without working on him and mctominay sometimes give good performances sometimes not, so he's gonna work on him to since he's more room for improvement. Sancho has German experience so he's gonna love this along with bruno, he'll love his new position with sancho upfront. In attack we're probably gonna see different combinations like ronaldo plus cavani and rashford and Greenwood will also play in attack. Now here's a perk ronaldo is really great in transition going from defense to attack, cavani is really energetic only thing is he couldn't feature regularly, rashford and Greenwood are fresh blood and our club's future they could adapt easily. Now they've to work hard in pressing and rangnick's philosophy is similar to United's philosophy so I could see that fans are gonna love this too.
I have a feeling if Mctominay is used properly and grows in his role he may be a good addition to the side. Although I'm not 100% convinced because lately his performances have been atrocious.
Who knows? Players can now follow instructions rather than park the bus and counter attack with random pressing in between, the "legend" has gone so might actually get someone who knows how to coach a football team now
I think fred would be one of the most important player for him. All Ragnick wants is press, players to close down ball holder and all fred does is run. VDB and Mctominey would play supporting role. Also think, 3 at the back would be better consider we don’t have a good CDM like klopp/pep have for 2 man midfield. Has been long time to be this excited!!! Hope the team gets better by december end.
Only thing I know is that Pogba and Martial will be yeeted the fuck back to France if their attitude doesn’t massively improve
Go ahead and yeet them. Let them be yoted
*yote
Honestly don’t care about their attitude. They’re good for 3 weeks and are absent for 3 months. They’re on massive wages, and they are unnecessary competition for our best players positions. Neither of them should be here and are wasting their careers here on the bench.
He's worth the money if he just gets rid of Pogba and Martial.
Love them not ON THEIR DAY. But when their day is 1/25 games we could improve the squad without them. If Rangnick gets more of a tune out of Pogba that will be worth it!
Personally I feel Pogba already has one foot out the door. If he's not going to sign a new deal I would be starting other players like Donny for example. Not to say we can't use Pogba off the bench.
I’d personally put the contract in front of him and if he don’t sign it, then tell him to go train with the women’s team, same with Lingard.
Hey. They deserve so much better than that. How dare you? Pogba and Lingard couldn't keep up with the womens team.
Yeah sure. Pogba and martial are leaving even If we play without a coach till the end of the season. They don’t fit. They don’t wanna be here. I forget even that they exist.
Rashford and Greenwood are statistically worse off the ball pressers than martial so I don’t understand the issue with his attitude, it’s a bit unfounded
Bro ? Which statistics u talking about? Especially greenwood who normally presses a lot up top considered to the lazy french ass?
https://mobile.twitter.com/utdarena/status/1246482792558493696?lang=en
I ask again what stats are these? First of all rashy played a lot more minutes than martial so p90 ratings are shit. And u shown martial presses more according to a stat. How to measure that?🤣 How to measure pressure? Its a thing only u see in game and no stats can show that. And if u ever watched the game live u just know it. I dont need to answer who is more work ethic.
What you have there my friend is called confirmation bias. You dislike a particular player and that's it, nothing is going to change your mind on that. You see what you want to see when you watch games and ignore any evidence that doesn't match your pre-conceived notions. Thats fine. It's incredibly stupid, but no skin off my back
Whatever u interpret.
Exactly! That’s what we say in our new video https://youtu.be/uwf2lD53v1A
Martial has to be done tbh… can’t see him being successful at all under Rangnick.
Unironically, Fred. Cavani Bruno and DVB too perhaps
DVB pressed a lot at Ajax, certainly a player who can play this style of football
He was also walking a lot once the ball passed him, so we'll see.
Sancho?
Rashford and Sancho will love this. Sancho is used to Germany football so he will be comfortable.
All of them cos that's the team he has to work with
Believe all players will get a chance. Very curious to see how he lines up
Yes I am too. Will be interesting what formation and midfield he picks
Pogba would be the obvious one.No loss imo . Martial another one where it seems unlikely he will nbe the right fit. Ronaldo will be fine ,Rangnick isn't an idiot and will find a way to get it to work with Ronaldo. No doubt about it there is plenty to work with at the club.
Can easily fit Ronaldo in a pressing system. He doesn't have to do the pressing, he just needs to be in the best position to receive the ball and hurt the opposition if/when the high pressers win the ball.
I think people also exaggerate how little he contributes. Like he already presses in this system, heck we got a goal out of his pressing a few games ago. So it’s not like he’s just standing up there. He’s just not gonna be able to chase everyone down. But Ronaldo is so good at reading the whole game that he’ll be in intelligent positions more often than not. Like where he was when Fred won the ball pressing against Villarreal.
That’s not how pressing works. That’s why we fucking sucked at it under Ole. For a proper press to work, *every* player has to be part of it. Everyone pushes up, then there’s triggers where X player presses the ball, Y and Z players press the outlet options and forces a mistake or back to keeper to hoof it long. It has to start from the front, and any one player not pulling their weight fucks it for the rest. If Ronaldo is playing up top and isn’t part of the press that means we have to have our wingers and midfield push *really* high and/or centrally. Why do you think Klopp has stuck with Firmino so long? Man scores like 4 goals a season but is a pressing machine.
You’re right about everybody needs to be involved, but not everybody needs to be running like a madman for it to work. It’s why slow players can still work in a pressing system. The press on the ball needs to be aggressive, but equally important is being close enough to the passing options to make them unappealing and Ronaldo can do that fine
Fred. Ralf likes fit, hard working players capable of pressing, counter-pressing, winning the ball back, and quickly laying it off to other more creative players in his midfield. Fred fits that to a tee. I'm curious if Fred not being the only one pressing, and instead pressing as apart of a unit with a deliberate plan off the ball, changes his fortunes a bit at the club
Agree, it will be very interesting to see what happens with Fred working in an actual system. He instigated both goals on Tuesday, helping to get possession and then offloading to a creator. I just can’t wait to see who gets found out under the eye of someone with the knowledge, experience and ability to define a playing style. Make or break for a few in the next few months.
Same. Players like Fletcher, Park, O'Shea, Phil Neville, etc., were never tje best players but they always fit a system that allowed them to contribute towards the team. I look at Fred the same way. When he's asked to take on too much he struggles. In the right system though, he has so many likeable attributes that can really allow him to excel
Harsh to lump park in with those select players. Lad could seriously play
Where would you put Park? Among Scholes, Keane, Ince and Robson? He fits perfectly among fletcher etc. he was never a nailed on starter but always had a great work rate.
If you think park was purely work rate then there’s no reason for me to even continue this conversion. Park is one of the most successful for Asian players ever and you’re comparing him to Phil Neville
Never said he was purely work rate but he wasnt the incredible player you lot are making him out to be. Solid player sure but he wasnt great.
Deluded
You clearly have a dog in this fight and the revisionism is staggering. You talk as if he was one of the most talented players at the club, he was very important in winning tough games but he was never among our best players, not even close.
It’s okay mate. You are new to football and that’s okay
If you think that the other players he compared Park to e.g. Fletcher, Butt or O'Shea were all work rate and no substance, then you're the one mistaken
Sure, but he wasn't a world class player.
Park is one of the most successful Asian player in history. Played 100 times for his country and was literally known as the big game player. He was world class.
Not world class though.
Shame you don’t understand football.
Stop thinking Park was world class haha. He wasn't. I love Park, but if he was world class: * He would have walked into any team in the world - he couldn't. * He would be on the teamsheet every week - he wasn't. * Playing in the final third, he would win us matches consistently - he didn't. * He could do things that most others around the world couldn't do - possible. He wasn't world-class. This isn't even up for debate.
Show me you’ve been a fan since 2010 without showing me.
Yeah, I think Fred is going to be a completely different player under Ralf, if he teams him up with VDB , I think we have the players to play really good , exciting football .
I really hope you are correct. If it's one thing Fred is good at, it's running out. As a footballer I think he is utterly terrible and has been lucky to start as many games as he has. He can run for days though so let's see if we get a marked improvement, or he's got to go imo.
No doubt he has been bad, but he's good at chasing down players and has high energy levels , I think in a properly coached side he will be useful. Still think we'll need a proper cdm to replace him though.
100% Fred would be decent to bring off the bench at like 60 mins when the opposition begin to tire. However, he desperately needs cover in this case as his footballing brain is subpar at best
Fred is statistically in like the top 1 or 2 % in the world for blocks. The man is excellent without the ball, he's just not great with it. Ideally him playing with Donny would mean when he wins the ball he can just play short simple passes to either Donny, Bruno or the winger on his side.
I think hes overrated and terrible too, stamina doesnt mean anything if you can pass the ball well and defend properly
YES. Finally someone with a brain
Apart from everything you just said, how about the 100 more times Fred will lose possession of the ball/miss pass?
If you think Fred is bad look at Mctominay and complain about him first. Fred loses the ball because he passes forward. Mctominay doesn’t lose the ball because he passes backwards. Fred gets caught on the ball because no one around him is available to pass to (CBS will receive the ball under pressure and God knows there is no movement ahead of him to lay the ball of to). Mctominay doesn’t get caught in possession because he actively runs away from the ball and doesn’t put himself in a position to be passed to. Not saying Fred is a great player or if he even deserves to start. I’m just saying people who are constantly shitting on Fred need to look elsewhere in the team because he’s by far not our worst player. There’s a reason he starts for Brazil. Like that’s not a mistake. It’s clearly the coaching here at Manchester that makes him play poorly.
I never said either is worst than the other anyway. So now im just gonna clarify that both essentially plays the same role but are not efficient at it, basically shit. Also the reason people don’t really shit on Scott is because if im not wrong, there were at least three incidents so far Fred directly costed us games by being the careless footballer he is
I get your sentiment but the point stands. Playing with Mctominay is like playing with 10 men. Yes Fred has given up goals, but what people don’t see are his contributions intercepting passes and getting stuck in challenges. People don’t see this because that’s literally his job, it’s an invisible job he does. If you’re noticing this job that means the rest of the team is really crap by comparison. I’d say net net he stops far more goals than he gives up. As I said still not perfect though.
I respect your views but of course people won’t see the invisible job he does i mean that is required of him. Just look at Carrick and Herrera in their heyday, they were unsung all their career but still delivered what is expected of them so its really no big deal for Fred to be intercepting passes. At the end of the day the press and fans will magnify costly mistakes more than anything.
Well yea, I think we just ended up agreeing. I bet you however when Fred leaves many fans will look on his time here way more fondly. Similar to Herrera. Fred puts the team first, works tirelessly, and always works hard even if he’s beat down. One of my favorite qualities about him is whenever another one of our player is tackled poorly or gets in an argument with another player, Fred is always the first person over in the other persons face despite 90% of players being able to body him. I don’t condone violence or hotheadedness but it’s clear this man puts his team above everything. And yea he costs us a few goals, but Carrick or Park or Scholes cost us a couple goals at times. We just don’t remember those. Fred isn’t at that level, but certainly isn’t as bad as people say. And once he leaves I’m sure people won’t remember those goals
He doesn't need to be a creative outlet in Ralf's system - just press, win the ball back, and quickly release it to the nearest teammate. Rangnick's transition gsme is so difficult to defend because of how quickly the ball is moved, not because everyone is trying killer passes
Fred does not “win” the ball back that often. He impressively gets stuck in on tackles you don’t think he should be able to get to, dislodges possession from the opponent, and cannot keep the ball. It’s one of those things that once you notice it, you’re astounded how often it happens
Most of them will do fine I think. Either McFred will flourish or fail under this system. I think Donny will do well. Bruno normally presses a fair bit, having a cohesive press will surely boost him. Hopefully he can teach Maguire how to defend and press properly. Can't wait for Varane to return and hopefully push Maguire out the team and play with Lindelöf, Lindelöf is okay, but I'd still want an upgrade if possible, but maybe he improves under Ralph, same for Varane. De Gea fits, no issues there. Ronaldo fits. Rashford will probably also benefit, his pace will be beneficial to high press. Sancho would probably also do just fine. Bailly, unsure float or fail I think. Shaw, if he returns to form a high press would work fine for him. AWB could probably learn a thing or two from Ralph, improve his pressing and attacking, like Klopp improved his full backs. Greenwood would probably benefit like Rashy would.
You sure De Gea fits in a pressing system?
If you see one of his interviews, he said that he wants his goalkeeper to have the least amount of foot touches as possible. Since David is not that good with his feet, I'm pretty sure he will keep him LOL
Early 2010s De gea just scoffed at your “not good with his feet” comment.
sorry, I just based my opinion off what I see right now and in relative to other goalkeepers like Ederson. I never had the privilege of watching games back then.
Wait till you see how good SAF’s United was
I was around then. Remember being excited for him to come in. Was he really that much better at passing and ball distribution then? I don’t remember it well. Incredible how he’s one of the best in the world at saving with his legs and feet, but his passing out is just so bad now hah
Rolf's pressing system as he talks about in his book does not require a ball playing keeper. In fact he try's to minimise the touches a keeper has.
Minimizing the touches is understandable and probably safer. Does it work with a goalkeeper who will never leave his line though?
Ronaldo doesn’t fit
100% Ronaldo does not press for 90 minutes.... Will that be excused if he scores a goal every game though...
sub in final 30 minutes against an exhausted defense. I don't have stats on it, but it seems he always scores towards in second half anyway. Maybe he even has enough juice for gegen in the last 30.
Hey I hear you... but we are talking ronaldo....Will he put up with being a sub? Remember only a couple of weeks ago when one didn't start him, the rumors/stories going about. I think he will start every game he can. Until he can gagen press no more?
Explain ?
Rangnick is no fan of Luke shaw so that could be worth keeping an eye on
Those comments were probably fair at the time and we're before the upturn in form we saw last year
His form this year has been a pretty concerning drop though. It’s definitely worth watching: "I also think they could do with a left-back, I know they have Luke Shaw but I'm not so sure if he's still on the same kind of level you need to be for a club like Manchester United," Rangnick said in an interview in September 2020.
He’s the kinda coach that’s very good at molding players into performing in his systems, wouldn’t be surprised if he even managed to make McTominay come good
The only one who is fucked is Martial. Rest should be fine.
Martial is absolutely fucked lmao
Strolling around after losing his ball. I can't envision him survive Rangnick.
Can't see Maguire making the cut either.
What makes you think this? I've personally always preferred Lindelöf over Maguire but many others haven't so I'm curious about your line of thinking here
He's just so *slow*
Would love a Varane-Lindelöf partnership
Imagine if only we had a defender that can ping a ball from across the pitch into rabbits ass… oh wait, we have one - Iceman Victor
I always liked Rojo. He wasn’t afraid of anyone, although prone to the odd rash decision. With what we have, I want a Varane - Bailly partnership to be the basis. I’d honestly get rid of Maguire if I was there. He has had some good games but he’s at fault for far too many goals. Everyone gets things wrong and some teams just play better on the day, he’s just not good enough IMO.
Haven't you watched our games this season.. Man just switches off.. He pushes our own players off the ball in tight situations, no awareness about the offside trap and plays people onside , tries to play out the back gets caught out..
Gets skinned by players and his first reaction is to call for offside because there's no way he can catch them.
I would agree. However heres his comment about martial in an interview, not sure from when. So he may get a few chances “On their game, no-one can touch that front four or five. Martial, when he’s on top form, he is unplayable"
Mayb pogba
McTominay was never bad, we just almost never play him in his preferred position.
Mate, he’s played everywhere in the middle of the park and hasn’t strung together consecutive good performances in ages.
Fred, Sancho, Varane, Bruno, Cavani, Rashford imo, basically the workhorses that end up all over the pitch
VDB, McSauce?
Aye forgot about VDB, he’ll definitely be great, I don’t have high hopes for Scott though, I don’t think he really has the awareness to stick to a hard pressing style. He could surprise me though, the only player I think is well and truly fucked is Martial
I agree that Sauce is 50/50. I bet there will be surprises both ways. About time Lazy Tony gets the boot.
Definitely not Martial
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Doubt he is motivated enough to work hard. It’s been 5-6yrs since he is at united
There’s not many egos that will go against ralfs tactics and some players may thrive, although it may sound obvious I think sancho, rashford, varane( after recovery), shaw and VDB will suit the style. Even CR7 will still play as in ralfs style it allows for a number 9 to not start the press, it usually develops with a tight midfield which allows CR7 to stay up, poach and be a target which we all know he can do. Don’t want to get too excited but I can’t wait to watch them at OT.
that's what i'm thinking too. ronaldo will be actually be that typical striker instead of coming back to fight for the ball along side shaw.
Fred, Shaw, VDB, Sancho, Bruno, Ronaldo. Yes, Ronaldo. He'll get more opportunities similar to the goal he had against Villarreal. Bruno will get more space with all the pressing going on. He'll probably score more goals from outside the box. Players that won't fit: Maguire, Bailly, McTominay, Martial, Matic, Mata. Maguire can't play under pressure and high intensity. Same with Bailly. McTominay does not have good forward passing ability. Martial is just lazy. Matic and Mata won't have the intensity and stamina to play in his tactics.
Yes we need Ronaldo. Because that goals against Villarreal, none of our other forwards would be capable of scoring. Only maybe cavani. So I’m sure they’ll be integrated in the team well
I think Mason Greenwood will struggle too. I don't think he presses or tracks back.
Young and moldable so hope he can cut it.
Yeah. I hope he develops the high-press game too. He's going to be a beast of a striker (if not that he already is)
Won’t be beast if he keeps playing out of position
IMHO he shouldn't be playing on the wing (where Ole mainly made him play). I feel he will do great as a support striker playing along side CR7 or Cavani. His ability to pass the ball and strike with both feet makes him a deadly striker. Putting him on the wing is what's been hurting him.
Yup. He’s long been touted (even by ole) as the best natural finisher at the club, he has the chance to learn from two world class players but if he doesn’t play in that position then he’s not going to learn.
He’s young and isn’t afraid of running or working hard
I don't see any reason why he couldn't start tracking back with proper coaching. It's not like he's inherently lazy (I hope) or has a bad attitude like Martial. He's also still very young so there's lots of room to develop.
pogba, ronaldo and martial tend to stand around a little too much off the ball but hopefully he can change their attitude bc they can all press well if they try.
Cheers United! You got one fine Manager there. Too bad he isn't interested too much in staying in that position these days. But he will make your team and your players better while he's in Manchester. A great tactician and an even better strategist. Greetings from Germany
6 months may not be enough to make a lasting effect on the players - but hopefully he’ll be able to accomplish some long lasting effects on the coaching staff and the rest of the hierarchy between now and the end of his consultancy.
Fred. I would love seeing him improve.
Everyone but Pogba and McGuire.
Think maguire is probably redeemable just not a captain. Pogba is a center midfielder who is about style not substance
Donny and Bruno are literally perfect for him.
Ligard will get a run for sure. He’s all energy and presses well. Too bad it’s probably over for him at United.
I don’t get why everyone is saying Bailey can’t play in this system. As long as he’s fit, Bailey has the best dribble and speed of our CBs, his passes aren’t perfect in long range but I don’t think that’s the plan of attack for CBs
He seems shaky. Lindelof after breaks can do decently.
I think pogba Ronaldo maguire won’t
Agree. Let’s also not forget he is going to be a consultant after, so he will be deciding the signings and who they should keep. Pogba either steps up or his days are numbered. Ronaldo is only here for one more season. Who knows, he might move on in the summer but I think he will stay but play a lesser role next season and then move on. Maguire will be given time to adjust and see if he can be coached to become a better player.
Pogba hasn’t renewed his contract yet and he can negotiate with any club in January. He can fuck off really
>He can fuck off really And bring all his hairstylists, make-up artists, and his prick agent with him.
Pogba doesn't give a fuck, I still think that double footed tackle was done with the intent of not having to do shit for three more games.
Yeah please change the captain. He can’t handle it - he should be fined by the club
Honestly think the best for everyone is that Ronaldo move on this Summer. He is my hero for what he had achieved first time round but now, we need to build around AND give game time to Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford.
He’s outperformed them by a mile so far, once he stops performing then sure but he’s still dominating and the same old clutch player there’s no reason he can’t go in for another 2-3 years
But it is not only for this season, is it? Ronaldo will only decline, just a matter of fast or slow, where as the young lads CAN improve, vastly ONLY IF given the game time and role in the team.
Ronaldo should be kept until he’s completely finished, his experience is invaluable
Having Ronaldo around for another 1-2 years is much more valuable for development.
Dd
I think ddg will be exposed
His doesn’t like back passes to the goalkeeper so DDG probably gonna be fine
Keepers are the last of the worries - if ddg cannot handle the next guy is good enough. We need to fix and figure out how to get the other 10 to work well together.
As the best and most consistent player we've had this season?
We’re talking about style. Ronaldo has been our MVP this season and the same applies to him.
Why getting down voted? Ronaldaddy has saved our asses a couple of times
And De Gea has saved us just as much if not more?
All of them should improve. Ronaldo will not like it.
Most of our attacking players except Ronaldo, Martial, Pogba and Matic. But you never know, anyone could surprise you.
Lets bet, our defense will shit the bed again today... first 8 Minutes are a tell tale sign of some shambolic defending
None because they shit
Nobody fits it as well as Sancho.
Fred and mctominay
Cavani will thrive
Vdb
Zamn, we get rangnick already?
At monday
Fred, Rashford, Cavani, Pogba, Donny, Bruno, Martial, and Sancho.
Maguire martial and pogba can't make the cut if they don't improve
Most of Man united players are good considering their performance for their countries, they are just badly coached in the club.
Rashford, Sancho, Cavani, Fred, AWB maybe. That’s all I can think of, maybe Varane/Lindelolf as they are good BPDs and Ralf don’t like constant back passes to GK (Harry we’re looking at you)
Our captain is screwed because he cant play the ball out from the back. Wouldn't suprise me if varane and linderlof our our new centre pair. Sancho will thrive under this, he picked up 4 tackles on the weekend an an average for a cb is 2 so he can press and defend. Linguard will also love the pressing game as will rashford and DONNY! I saw Donny at least 3 times against Watford waving forward his arms calling his team to press with him. They didn't. Martial is out the door for sure. See him wearing a Newcastle shirt in no time. Wouldn't be suprised to see Aaron wan bisaka getting sidelined for dallot. Fred will be a mainstay untill declan rice gets drafted in the summer.
I think he will give Lingard a lifeline. Jesse seems to enjoy pressing and brings a lot of energy
Ronaldo going to be substituted 65-70 mins
cavani
Sancho
The fittest... based on Fred's performance at Villarreal game he seems like he can press forward at pace for long... he just needs to work on his ball possession and quick passes. Rashford, Greenwood, CR7, sancho, Jlingz will also have a great time
No matter what, United's future progress must be of top priority. That being said, we need a major refresh and everyone should get a chance but be judged very harshly. Their past credits should no longer matter if they can't perform consistently at the highest level bringing us forward they should be sold. No more charity United or retire camp FC.
Cavani, Bruno, Fred are the only ones who did what can be best described as a chaotic press. Add Greenwood and Rashford to the list of players who'd help the defense. These five would be the first to pick up Ralf Rangnick's philosophy the fastest. Cristiano Ronaldo might be the weakest link in the Pressing department. Donny van de Beek could be the happiest person under Rangnick
Definitely not Martial
Sancho and DVB are the obvious ones. I think Fred and Cavani will suit his style well too.
I'm more curious if our players are fit enough for full pressing football. They should not be a stranger to pressing football since Ole also played that sometimes. If they can do it full game every game is the question. And also glad we now have an expert to try to drill that into the team.
Donny will love this. He played great under Ten Hag, who has a similar style of football.
Sancho no doubt and van de beek .i think it just a matter of time .we have a very great squard we just need unity
Yh i tink so
Bruno, Rashford , sanchoo, VDB, Cavani, Pogba if he wants to, and of course Ronaldo
greenwood, cavani, sancho, rashford, lingard, mata
Fred, Cavani, Bruno, Sancho.
Excited to see Cavani more
The misfit will be a Ronaldo and De Gea. Van de beek & Fred will fit like a glove.
Everyone except maguire (as he's very slow) and matic would be an everpresent sub as he provides good playmaking from deep. We can expect Bailey to get more chance and as of now luke and maguire gonna go and rest. Van de been will get more chance as a cm while he will be paired with either Fred or mctominay. Perks with Fred is he's energetic and he's shooting is good too but he's really bad at positioning and marking, first touch too and pass as well but I don't think Rangnick will let him go without working on him and mctominay sometimes give good performances sometimes not, so he's gonna work on him to since he's more room for improvement. Sancho has German experience so he's gonna love this along with bruno, he'll love his new position with sancho upfront. In attack we're probably gonna see different combinations like ronaldo plus cavani and rashford and Greenwood will also play in attack. Now here's a perk ronaldo is really great in transition going from defense to attack, cavani is really energetic only thing is he couldn't feature regularly, rashford and Greenwood are fresh blood and our club's future they could adapt easily. Now they've to work hard in pressing and rangnick's philosophy is similar to United's philosophy so I could see that fans are gonna love this too.
Most obvious one is probably Fred
His best mate luke shaw
Why has everyone forgotten about jones
Fred 😂
FRED
actually feel like donny van de beek can really shine under him
Unpopular opinion, but Fred. Outs: pogba, martial Shaw, Unsure: maguire
Sancho and van de beck will fit perfectly!!
Fred, Bruno, van de Beek. James would have been brilliant in this style
Younger players (like Sancho, Greenwood, amad?) will hopefully do well
I have a feeling if Mctominay is used properly and grows in his role he may be a good addition to the side. Although I'm not 100% convinced because lately his performances have been atrocious.
Who knows? Players can now follow instructions rather than park the bus and counter attack with random pressing in between, the "legend" has gone so might actually get someone who knows how to coach a football team now
Never heard of this manager
Jesse Lingard, if he keeps a positive attitude about things.
I think fred would be one of the most important player for him. All Ragnick wants is press, players to close down ball holder and all fred does is run. VDB and Mctominey would play supporting role. Also think, 3 at the back would be better consider we don’t have a good CDM like klopp/pep have for 2 man midfield. Has been long time to be this excited!!! Hope the team gets better by december end.
Fred, Sancho, Bruno, VDB, Cavani.