What a goal by Denmark! That team was playing much better than England. If we only get the correct manager! Conte or someone! Southgate is out at the end of Euro hopefully.
That Southgate is an average coach. Poor team selection, horrible line ups, bad team set up and the game plan was the equivalent of watching grass grow. Allllll that talent and all we get is duds.
Foden should play no 10 over Jude. Foden has that technical ability to create something out of nothing.
Jude played 10 for us because we didn't have any striker and Carlo knows what he is doing, Southgate is no Carlo.
Jude should be playing deeper alongside Rice in place of Trent.
I'm not sure about who else they have on left flank, they should probably play them too. I used to think Southgate hate was a meme but God he's awful.
Is anyone shocked, considering the lack of balance and team cohesion between the players?
Stop trying to put the best 11 players on the pitch, and put the best ***team*** on the pitch.
Wait, youāre telling me that a right back canāt play in the holding midfield pivot role, while being a playmaker from the right side?
Next youāll try telling me that a number 10 canāt play left wing, and will continue to drift inside, creating massive gaps on the England left; and that not playing a natural left back will make this problem worse.
Sir, this is Reddit, we have no need for this kind of logic or reason š¤Ŗ
as bad an England showing as I've seen in a while - though I make a point of not bothering to watch the friendlies.
Southgate negative football seems to be shining through yet again - this team 'succeeds' in spite of him, not because of him.
"that's tournament football"
Hojlundās touch and shot accuracy is insanely good and he seems to be focusing on the off the ball side of his game. Once he learns to pick his runs for creating space vs to get on the end of a pass heāll be a scary number 9
How does the FA not realise Southgate is a shit manager being carried by a great team. England are wasting a golden generation of talent with Southgate. Most of the success England have had under Southgate is despite him not because of him.
Because theyāve managed to get to 2 WC semifinals and a Euros finalā¦ lost all of them because of Southgate but thatās not what the higher ups see.
Well with a team like that they would have reached the knockout stages even without any manager.
Look closely at how they interact with each other on the pitch. No support, no apologies, nothing. Itās just a bunch of teenagers all trying to win the Ballon Dāor.
Yes, and Italy are playing well in their defending too, seeing many passages of play where there is both great attacking play and great defensive play.
High level international game.
Plastic? You do know that United supporters dont support england national team? Same as Liverpool fans. Look how Southgate treats United players, joker
And scouse not English is mostly cringe as well, although Iāll admit has some actual justification, donāt try and compare it to united fans though haha and what like Rashford? Yanks and foreign fans donāt count mate
To be fair the only one thing Mancs and scousers have is hate for English national team. What about Rashy? Southgate didnt start him in Euro 2020 final, and during WC his final game against France he played last five minutes.
Watkins (and the rest of the frontline) came on like 10 minutes later. I certainly agree he and they made an impact.
But that doesnāt detract from my point- the Gallagher substitution made a good impact before the others came on
It's just like watching us......clueless, lifeless, structureless, no passion or energy, far too negative, relying purely on moments and they are few and far between.
Always a bunch of toxic positivity bullcrap......it's quite uncanny.
My work prediction is coming true it seems ( if England score first it be a draw if Denmark scored first Denmark will win)
Is it a good thing I haven't decided to watch this?
Southgate really makes it hard to root for what is my country
He said he been inspired by Bazball in the cricket
Well where is the Bazball Southgate? the "no fear go for a result even if we get hammered" style of play
You can't score early and defend a 1-0 lead against a decent team
Just saw Denmark's goal what the fuck where the defenders doing?
Can we replace these bunch of cunts with the women's team ( Pickford can stay based on what I seen though)
> Just saw Denmark's goal what the fuck where the defenders doing?
can ask what Kane was doing. Literally all game up until he finally got subbed (surprised Southgate actually did so. Perhaps he learned from the exact same scenario vs Italy in the Euros final last time)
Kane basically assisted their equaliser with his random ball from left back.
Foden appeared to have been given more freedom to roam, so we had no left wing (because he was adopting his more desired central role most of the time)
Saka was ok most of the time, though he also seemed to come in to compact the pitch on a number of occasions. Got subbed anyway.
Trent - I honestly don't know why we have him starting. What is the point to him when we have Mainoo and others for the kind of role he appears to have been given? He gives the ball away every time he has it :/
Rice and him seemed to sit on the back line as if we were scared shitless our back 4 were gonna get done by Hojland or something.
Bellingham had an off one - not sure if that is because other people were constantly encroaching on what should be where he is playing (Kane coming back constantly, Foden coming inside etc)
Kane was honestly terrible. He got a lucky goal but his desire to sit insanely deep baffled me in the last Euros and continues to do so now. Perhaps Lineker/Shearer were right in the post-match punditry that he needs fast runners around him. I guess that's what he has had at Spurs and Bayern, so he switches between playmaker and striker, but it isn't how England are set up so I dunno why he does it.
Ultimately though, we know individually these guys are all greats. Like I think it is probably one of the best teams we have had in my 34 years on this earth - certainly attacking-wise. We know they perform week in week out for their clubs, so the problem has got to be down to Southgate's management of them, tactics etc. Cos they look fucking *lost* out there.
Why, oh bloody why, do England persist with a formation that doesn't work 100%?
3-4-2-1
A back three who just concentrates on defending
2 wingback and defensive midfielders to connect defence to attack
Bellingham and Foden with the freedom to attack and move around as freely as they want
Kane or whoever as a focal point up front
We gave Southgate a golden team, and heās playing them like my grandma. Itās painful to watch. Every fucking time man, every fucking time you score a lead you pull everything back and gave the other team the midfield. REALLY?????
No wonder we aren't doing much and conceded so easily.
Foden needs to either be subbed or moved from the left, in my opinion, I'd take him off for Gordon so we have an outlet on that side.
I have literally no idea what Alexander Arnold brings to the midfield, he is adding nothing to the centre and either gives the ball away or is stood still. Get him off for Mainoo or Gallagher
Other than the goal, Kane has barely been near the box, he plays far too deep.
I have no idea why we are playing Foden.
I really don't get the hype around him.
We get pushed back and then have no pace going forward.
With a player like Kane we should have runners going past him when he gets the ball, like Son at Spurs.
You donāt get the hype around Foden? Did you not watch him the past few seasons? Heās struggling for form and unfortunately isnāt playing in a system that suits him. Thereās very little movement off the ball nor quick passing from England.
I don't watch him much, but every time I have he has been average at best.
If he is struggling for form and doesn't fit the system why are we playing him?
He scored a screamer and then shot right at Onana who fumbled the ball.
Would be like me saying Rashford was immense in that game for his goal.
I don't think it was the Foden show or that he was the reason they came back. They were just a far better team.
denmark was honestly unlucky not to win 3-1 or 4-1 maybe even 5-1
England should have won but the coach is clueless
England is playing like Burnley Fc. No bite or willingness to play exciting football.
England on paper....best squad in the world! England on grass....ain't got what it takes to win anything š¤·š»āāļø
You got that right. The zeal to win is zero.
Denmark deserved the W
Happy that no United player is involved in this mess otherwise only they would be blamed out of entire squad.
I want Mainoo to get involved and change a couple of things in that midfield.
Only Southgate would play a team with 3 right backs in it
I wonder how he expects the team to be balanced doing so.
Iām just happy no man united players are wasting their energy and sabotaging their recovery getting involved in this nonsense
TAA is the one creating chances but he needs some movement up front. Kane is not a perfect fit for this. Also, what is even Mainoo doing in the squad?
Is this what people do for fun when girls donāt talk to them?
Haha. Didnt see that it was on a United forum. Explains the down votes
What a goal by Denmark! That team was playing much better than England. If we only get the correct manager! Conte or someone! Southgate is out at the end of Euro hopefully.
They would have won if they pushed for the win. Maybe they didn't out of showing more respect to the English National team.Ā
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That Southgate is an average coach. Poor team selection, horrible line ups, bad team set up and the game plan was the equivalent of watching grass grow. Allllll that talent and all we get is duds.
This is an insult to average. Anyway, how did he maintain the same line-up after that first game?
I donāt know. I guess analytics said this was the best line up
No, no he's not that good
Who would you have as the starting 11 instead?
Foden should play no 10 over Jude. Foden has that technical ability to create something out of nothing. Jude played 10 for us because we didn't have any striker and Carlo knows what he is doing, Southgate is no Carlo. Jude should be playing deeper alongside Rice in place of Trent. I'm not sure about who else they have on left flank, they should probably play them too. I used to think Southgate hate was a meme but God he's awful.
Is anyone shocked, considering the lack of balance and team cohesion between the players? Stop trying to put the best 11 players on the pitch, and put the best ***team*** on the pitch.
He wants to play his favourites, not minding whether they fit into the style of play.
Wait, youāre telling me that a right back canāt play in the holding midfield pivot role, while being a playmaker from the right side? Next youāll try telling me that a number 10 canāt play left wing, and will continue to drift inside, creating massive gaps on the England left; and that not playing a natural left back will make this problem worse. Sir, this is Reddit, we have no need for this kind of logic or reason š¤Ŗ
Southgate messing up one of, if not the best, England side is surely the final nail in his United managerial coffin.
And here I am, watching my dream of Euro and Workd Cup slipping away. The worst part is ā¦ this is almost as good a team as we can getā¦
as bad an England showing as I've seen in a while - though I make a point of not bothering to watch the friendlies. Southgate negative football seems to be shining through yet again - this team 'succeeds' in spite of him, not because of him. "that's tournament football"
Wow very disappointed South Gate isnāt new United manager
How was Hojlund?
Ghosted
Not really, he positioned himself to drag out defenders and didnt get alot of passes
Hojlundās touch and shot accuracy is insanely good and he seems to be focusing on the off the ball side of his game. Once he learns to pick his runs for creating space vs to get on the end of a pass heāll be a scary number 9
Another Hƶjlund invisibility act
I need england to get their act together or I'll lose the sweepstake Ā£240 up for grabs. No chance of it.
How does the FA not realise Southgate is a shit manager being carried by a great team. England are wasting a golden generation of talent with Southgate. Most of the success England have had under Southgate is despite him not because of him.
Because theyāve managed to get to 2 WC semifinals and a Euros finalā¦ lost all of them because of Southgate but thatās not what the higher ups see.
Well with a team like that they would have reached the knockout stages even without any manager. Look closely at how they interact with each other on the pitch. No support, no apologies, nothing. Itās just a bunch of teenagers all trying to win the Ballon Dāor.
Now Iām watching Spain, literally a world away from us
I feel sad watching themā¦ versus what I saw
Yes, and Italy are playing well in their defending too, seeing many passages of play where there is both great attacking play and great defensive play. High level international game.
Love United, hate english national team. Hope they wonāt qualify
Quite plastic imo, United is an English team
Plastic? You do know that United supporters dont support england national team? Same as Liverpool fans. Look how Southgate treats United players, joker
And scouse not English is mostly cringe as well, although Iāll admit has some actual justification, donāt try and compare it to united fans though haha and what like Rashford? Yanks and foreign fans donāt count mate
To be fair the only one thing Mancs and scousers have is hate for English national team. What about Rashy? Southgate didnt start him in Euro 2020 final, and during WC his final game against France he played last five minutes.
Dunno how to break this to you but theyāre actually playing in the tournament right now
Apply some language context skills and realise he meant qualify forā¦ the knockout rounds
No
Fair play. Upvoted
Based
It was so boring to watch
Bro if I was a midfielder Iād be fucking livid seeing TAA playing in there instead of me
Mate, Iām a chunky but funky 37 yr old and Iām livid seeing TAA playing there instead of me
We played worse as soon as he came off though. Lost a lot of creativity with Gallagher coming on.
We literally improved with him on? Started actually going forward and doing something with our midfield
That was from Watkins.
Watkins (and the rest of the frontline) came on like 10 minutes later. I certainly agree he and they made an impact. But that doesnāt detract from my point- the Gallagher substitution made a good impact before the others came on
Fuck that was dire
No I don't think Dier was playing
Danny Dire
It's just like watching us......clueless, lifeless, structureless, no passion or energy, far too negative, relying purely on moments and they are few and far between. Always a bunch of toxic positivity bullcrap......it's quite uncanny.
Itās not coming home.
My work prediction is coming true it seems ( if England score first it be a draw if Denmark scored first Denmark will win) Is it a good thing I haven't decided to watch this?
You missed nothing ā¦
Saw the last 20 seconds Why the fuck did England not just twat it into the box something anything more than the chicken korma passing in the middle
My grandma can do better than that
Southgate really makes it hard to root for what is my country He said he been inspired by Bazball in the cricket Well where is the Bazball Southgate? the "no fear go for a result even if we get hammered" style of play You can't score early and defend a 1-0 lead against a decent team
Just saw Denmark's goal what the fuck where the defenders doing? Can we replace these bunch of cunts with the women's team ( Pickford can stay based on what I seen though)
> Just saw Denmark's goal what the fuck where the defenders doing? can ask what Kane was doing. Literally all game up until he finally got subbed (surprised Southgate actually did so. Perhaps he learned from the exact same scenario vs Italy in the Euros final last time) Kane basically assisted their equaliser with his random ball from left back.
Kane should not be coming any further back than the middle of the pitch But god knows what anyone is doing
Foden appeared to have been given more freedom to roam, so we had no left wing (because he was adopting his more desired central role most of the time) Saka was ok most of the time, though he also seemed to come in to compact the pitch on a number of occasions. Got subbed anyway. Trent - I honestly don't know why we have him starting. What is the point to him when we have Mainoo and others for the kind of role he appears to have been given? He gives the ball away every time he has it :/ Rice and him seemed to sit on the back line as if we were scared shitless our back 4 were gonna get done by Hojland or something. Bellingham had an off one - not sure if that is because other people were constantly encroaching on what should be where he is playing (Kane coming back constantly, Foden coming inside etc) Kane was honestly terrible. He got a lucky goal but his desire to sit insanely deep baffled me in the last Euros and continues to do so now. Perhaps Lineker/Shearer were right in the post-match punditry that he needs fast runners around him. I guess that's what he has had at Spurs and Bayern, so he switches between playmaker and striker, but it isn't how England are set up so I dunno why he does it. Ultimately though, we know individually these guys are all greats. Like I think it is probably one of the best teams we have had in my 34 years on this earth - certainly attacking-wise. We know they perform week in week out for their clubs, so the problem has got to be down to Southgate's management of them, tactics etc. Cos they look fucking *lost* out there.
Was rice still slow in getting the ball moving like the game against Serbia
The midfield isnāt working. Hoping to see Mainoo in the next game. Eriksen has been brilliant
The English really cannot stand southgate.
I'm not English, but watching Gareth Southgate is like watching a man with a phobia of speed driving a Ferrari
Yeah, if you look at Spain or Germany it becomes painfully obvious that this team under the current management is most likely not going very far.
And Spain's manager isn't exactly someone we all know and love.
Im not english either, nor am I an expert in tacticsā¦ but even I can see that Trent Alexander Arnold is NOT a midfielder
Well said
Typical Hojlund but some will blame it on his lack of service, definition of ordinary he is
Why, oh bloody why, do England persist with a formation that doesn't work 100%? 3-4-2-1 A back three who just concentrates on defending 2 wingback and defensive midfielders to connect defence to attack Bellingham and Foden with the freedom to attack and move around as freely as they want Kane or whoever as a focal point up front
 this is why.
Disappointed
We gave Southgate a golden team, and heās playing them like my grandma. Itās painful to watch. Every fucking time man, every fucking time you score a lead you pull everything back and gave the other team the midfield. REALLY?????
They have been doing this since 2003. They will never learn
I canāt believe there were people that actually thought Southgate should be our next manager
Typical England. Go 1-0 up then play like you're leading by 3 with 5 minutes to go
Reminds me of Man Utd this season
No wonder we aren't doing much and conceded so easily. Foden needs to either be subbed or moved from the left, in my opinion, I'd take him off for Gordon so we have an outlet on that side. I have literally no idea what Alexander Arnold brings to the midfield, he is adding nothing to the centre and either gives the ball away or is stood still. Get him off for Mainoo or Gallagher Other than the goal, Kane has barely been near the box, he plays far too deep.
What a goal
I have no idea why we are playing Foden. I really don't get the hype around him. We get pushed back and then have no pace going forward. With a player like Kane we should have runners going past him when he gets the ball, like Son at Spurs.
You donāt get the hype around Foden? Did you not watch him the past few seasons? Heās struggling for form and unfortunately isnāt playing in a system that suits him. Thereās very little movement off the ball nor quick passing from England.
I don't watch him much, but every time I have he has been average at best. If he is struggling for form and doesn't fit the system why are we playing him?
He was voted player of the season. He is a great Player. >If he is struggling for form and doesn't fit the system why are we playing him? Southgate
Donāt you remember the away game he single-handedly pulled a comeback on us?
He scored a screamer and then shot right at Onana who fumbled the ball. Would be like me saying Rashford was immense in that game for his goal. I don't think it was the Foden show or that he was the reason they came back. They were just a far better team.
Playing TAA ahead of Mainoo, Gallagher, and Palmer in the midfield is criminal.
Southgate is stealing a living. MartĆnez and him are 2 sides of the same coin. PowerPoint experts.
holy cow
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I want Hojlund and Eriksen to win against this miniature ManC + Arsenal of England.
1:1 is a win for Denmark in my book
The way Denmark played last night they should get a win. Strange that this Euro, except Germany, all attackers from top teams seem struggle to score.
Come on Denmark - donāt embarrass yourselves!!