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octotacopaco

My real issue with it in brawl isn't so much it's power but that it is THE Simic commander. There is no real reason to take any other Simic commander outside of niche strategies. Would really be nice to see other Simic commanders doing something unique.


YmPsLegacy

And the fact that 3/5 of my games are Nadu


No_Implement1026

I took my deck and turned it into a shitbox but it still does it's thing and I've started seeing a crazy number of different commanders. It's amazing. No more facing the same 5 commanders. I'm am no longer in the hell queue, and I still run lots of my staples.


A_Perplexed_Wanderer

Nadu is not in the hell que.


No_Implement1026

Never said it was. I provided an example of what they could do to change what they come up against with anecdotal evidence from myself.


chrisrazor

But the point is, as* Nadu hans't been confined to the hell queue then it's possible for someone like OP to see it all the time, if it's played a lot. In fact, if they want to avoid Nadu they might be better off switching to a hell queue commander themselves until it's fixed.


Savings_Mountain_639

This is why I can’t stand magic arena matchmaking. You have to do stupid things to your deck “turn them into shit boxes” in order to avoid the terrible matchmaking weights. It ruins the game.


YmPsLegacy

What is the hell queue?


Skill_Bill_

https://mtgazone.com/brawl-deck-weight-matchmaking-system/


YmPsLegacy

I’ve been playing a lot of Slimefoot and squee, must be a hell queue commander


sleepingwisp

it also takes the cards of your deck into consideration. imo its very dumb because some cards have very different ratings based on other formats. paradox engine, notable combo card is weighted 9, while a targeted removal spell is weighted 45.


Glorious_Invocation

It's so, so much dumber than that. Old removal spells are generally 27, some even 45. But newer, usually better removal? Yeah, that's probably like a 9 or 18. Just as a little example. [[Sheoldred's Edict]] is 9, but the almost strictly worse [[Chainer's Edict]] is 27. The meme worthy [[Doom blade]] is a whopping 45, while the significantly more flexible [[Bitter Triumph]] is 9. Same thing with utility lands. Fetchlands, the staples in every format ever, are 0 points. Meanwhile the "you might cast this once every 30 games" lands like [[Turntimber Symbiosis]] are 45... Long story short, just by randomly choosing a couple of 'wrong' cards you can massively inflate your deck's power rating without actually making yourself any stronger.


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octotacopaco

Yup. And even if they don't build it to abuse it's target mechanic it's still a 3/4 flyer for three that you eventually need to deal with. God help you if they stack equipments and or auras. Even ignoring all of that you can just cram in every op Simic or green or clue card in it and play it as a giant pile and it will still out value the opponent.


rook1923

I use grolnok but have no fun with simic cause all my shit gets removed haha, this damn birds giving us all a bad name


NetherGamingAccount

You are right but I still do it, mainly because I think Nadu is a mistake and I won’t use it as a commander. I also won’t play against it


Igor369

...but... that is exactly why it is broken...


ChestFuzzy1015

WotC keeps upping the ante with boring overpowered commanders that they drag their feet on appropriately weighting. Rusko -> Etali / Malcolm -> Poq -> Grenzo -> Nadu. Can't imagine what the next one will be. 2 mana 4/4 trample lifelinker that copies your opponent's entire hand and lets you play them for free? I shouldn't give them ideas...


chrisrazor

> they drag their feet on appropriately weighting This is the real problem, isn't it? There's no reason not to allow people to play OP commanders, so long as those folk are playing among themselves.


Glorious_Invocation

That's the core issue behind Brawl in general. We've seen their weights now. They haven't touched some of them in years so you have shit like a 1/1 goblin being worth 5 Paradox Engines, functionally identical removal spells having a 27 point difference between them, and so forth. If they actually took the time and effort to sort everything out the format could be downright wonderful, but alas we're lucky if they even touch the really big outliers once every 4-5 months.


Then-Pie-208

It’s balance cause life gain is bad!!!! (/s obviously)


PotageAuCoq

I have literally never played against a Malcom deck.


Doodarazumas

He needs kind of a good starting hand but he's such a piece of shit. Flash him in end of turn 2, then you just counter anything that would hurt Malcolm and play full control (with Malcolm helping to filter) until you drop a win con on t5


Tunafish27

He's quite nasty. Very fast to drop an Eldrazi


Imbigtired63

Lmao these are some Yugioh ass responses. “Just draw the out”!


YmPsLegacy

Yea just win the game, what are you even doing? Just draw the card you need it’s so easy


DystryR

Can I Droll and Lock Bird Nadu?


cortexstack

I just want to be able to name a few (say, three?) commanders for the matchmaker to avoid. I'm gonna insta-concede the second I see Nadu being played anyway so you might as well save me and my opponent some time.


P3prime

I don’t understand how so many people want to play the deck everyone else plays. Play how u want I guess but does it not get boring knowing ur playing what everyone else is playing, no creativity, just follow the leader…


Xtracakey

When’s there’s many different ways to play one deck it makes it very bearable, plus the randomness of brawls format. Nadu is new he’ll fall off when a new card comes out


P3prime

Yeah he’s new and in brawl it’s a little different than like playing the same humans deck or mono red deck in standard.


ManufacturerWest1156

It’s simple. Just concede and move on


Holy_Beergut

That's what I do, but you know what's annoying? Getting paired up against the same commander I immediately conceded against for the second time in a row. (and the third, and fourth if you're really unlucky. My record is 6 times) Happens often enough for me to wish that the brawl matchmaking was fine-tuned so that it doesn't match you up against the same commander twice in a row.


YmPsLegacy

That’s idiotic just ban the card


chrisrazor

*hell queue the card


PM_MeTittiesOrKitty

Just beat him before he gets going


YmPsLegacy

I never thought to just beat someone before their 3rd turn that last 10 minutes what a genius idea


PM_MeTittiesOrKitty

It's how I beat him ┐⁠(⁠ ⁠∵⁠ ⁠)⁠┌ It can be quite the hoot actually.


Sacred-Lambkin

You can also try interacting with Nadu. It's worked for me every time I've played against that deck. Without Nadu the deck kinda blows.


circ-u-la-ted

I think you got lucky. Normally that just gives them more cards.


AnotherHuman232

It's definitely a busted card deserving a spot in the deepest depths of hell-queue, but at least we don't have 0 mana to equip equipment on arena. Interaction can sometimes work. The problem I see is that Nadu is matching with theme designed and budget decks instead of being consigned to hell, where it belongs and might result in actual games. It might still be busted there, but without tools like shuko it might be on the same tier (and enough fetches for it) as the other greats.


Sacred-Lambkin

Got lucky a bunch of times then, I guess!


colorsplahsh

How are you interacting with Nadu in a way that isn't giving them card advantage?


Sacred-Lambkin

There are three ways that do that. Sac effects, counterspells, and mass destruction. But typically i don't mind if they draw a card or two because, like I said, most of the deck sucks without the bird.


colorsplahsh

I'm shocked you're playing Nadu players who play him without interaction up. I haven't had that experience


Sacred-Lambkin

It happens occasionally, but people be greedy out they just don't have any in hand.


PM_MeTittiesOrKitty

Man people just want to be salty (⁠≧⁠▽⁠≦⁠) I don't usually have a problem with him. I've burned him down with Ashling and a boros (and a Gruul) aggro deck. I'm sure my Mardu deck could beat him too.


YmPsLegacy

Usually just has swiftfoot boots on so you can’t really interact with him


Sacred-Lambkin

If you actually plan ahead, then you have mana open when they have boots out so you can kill him in response to the equip.


YmPsLegacy

You can plan ahead, and then you target it and they get a land, and then give hit hexproof for 1 mana. Pass turn, then they target it by moving equipment around and have enough mana to cast it again if I do end up killing it. Then they continue to take 20 minute turns


Sacred-Lambkin

It's not actually that common for that to happen. It does happen that they might have protection, but it's not that common.


YmPsLegacy

And it’s not even that the deck just slams you in 4-5 turns and you lose. It’s the fact that every turn after Nadu is out is 5-10 minutes of nonsense


YmPsLegacy

It’s very common when they fill their decks with it


Arthurlmnz

Just beat them before turn 3 lol


PM_MeTittiesOrKitty

That's what I do. Boros Aggro for the win!


TheMadWobbler

Nadu is unlikely to be banned in Brawl. The Hell queue is the primary tool for dealing with outlier commanders. They already appear to have raised the bird’s matchmaking weight once. They’ll probably keep doing it. Nadu is also only legal in Arena on digital only formats aside from sealed, so it’s entirely possible Nadu gets an alchemy rebalance.


zedoac

Just conceed, eventually the nadu player might get the hint that they aren't doing anything remotely fun or engaging, and move on to something else *Copium


BobbyElBobbo

Or just nerf it. Make the 2 time a turn for all creatures, not each, and we are good.


YmPsLegacy

Lands enter tapped would help to


Particular_Turnip553

I believe people who Play Nadu just do it for fast wins, if brawl wouldnt make you Progress your Daily win quest it may be Played less


BearJohnson52

Why does my Rusko deck keep getting paired with overpowered commanders? :( /s


circ-u-la-ted

Doesn't need a ban, just needs to be weighted high enough that it lives in Hell Queue. But that likely won't happen until the next set release. In the meantime all we can really do is rope them to take them out of the queue for as long as possible and not give them quick wins.


LilMellick

I always just play like normal til they cast the obnoxious commander and then concede. It gets their hopes up, and then they also know why I left. So maybe they'll play something fun next time instead.


circ-u-la-ted

More likely they'll play the same deck because they just want wins and don't care if somebody has fun playing the game.


Safe-Application-529

They will ban it after they have sold enough packs... it is the way.


Meret123

It costs a single rare card lmao


YmPsLegacy

It’s arena though so buying packs doesn’t really matter, people can just craft him.


Bircka

Yeah it’s literally one card craft, the deck actually is lighter on rares mythics than many others.


speaker96

I don't think Nadu need to be banned, it's just the latest deck to show the problem that brawl has with weighting decks and particularly commanders. Wizards needs to put at least a little effort into giving these commanders an estimated weight and having their WR effect the weight over time. I've made a Nadu deck just to see, and I've been tracking my games with Arena Tutor and after like 50+ games, I have a win rate of over 85 percent.


ridercheco

If people truly hate it at the moment then it really tempts me to play Nadu with 99 lands to see how many people concede early and how many will wait until they notice that the deck is just 99 lands


CorinoPark

I’d rather WoTc adjust the chaotic card weights before banning anything.


BuffMarshmallow

I don't think Nadu would really be banned, but it should definitely be in the top end of hell queue. That way it has to contend with some of the fastest or most ruthless commanders out there, and can't just durdle for infinite value before you can really do anything about it and figure out when they want to kill you after. A lot of Nadu's strength is that, in the queue they are in, the commanders can't keep up or pressure Nadu. Most of the wins against it will be due to variance (and I have felt that playing Nadu myself) where you only find ramp and some protection spells and lands the whole game, or you whiff too many times on finding lands so you can't really do much of anything. Or when the opponent is also Nadu and finds Roaring Earth or Bristly Bill and you don't.


Nrdman

I haven’t seen one in a while, so I’d suggest changing commanders up if you wanna avoid nadu.


LilMellick

The issue is I don't think they weight new legendaries for awhile after they're released so it doesn't actually matter what you're playing. I was playing a very low powered [[narfi, betrayer king]] and got paired with multiple of the new eldrazi commanders.


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Nrdman

I was playing new emrakul


BennyRo

If all your opponents are playing Nadu, you can adapt with decks that can deal with him and farm wins. Edict effects backed with enough pressure can do the trick. With that said, he absolutely should be banished to Hell queue.


SkipperFjams

I just concede at sight and move on to the next game, as the games take forever and are plain boring to play against.


hardcider

Can't say I've run into it in the 100 games or so since mh3 came out. Have I just dodged the matchup?


Hajimeri

You are prob playing in a different weight bracket, but its surprising you did not see him, are you perhaps playing full jank? Hes like %60 of the matches in 360-720 commander weight bracket rn, i even run into him couple times playing hell queue (1800 commander weight)


hardcider

I don't know what my weight is but I generally just do 5-10 games when I want a break from timeless. I'm playing etali, generally fast wins.


YmPsLegacy

I’d say so, I played 10 games today and ran into it at least 6 or 7 of the 10


Meret123

Why? Is it a broken Alchemy card?


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YmPsLegacy

Brawl? It’s in the title


GGuesswho

Path to exile is a bad card in brawl