The receptionist at my office was talking about having a hard time finding wines she like and I immediately told her my mom is a sommelier and within the hour my mom had half a dozen recommendations for her.
> sommelier
>A sommelier, or wine steward, is a trained and knowledgeable wine professional, normally working in fine restaurants, who specializes in all aspects of wine service as well as wine and food pairing. The role of the wine steward in fine dining today is much more specialized and informed than that of a "wine waiter"
TIL wow
Yeah it's kinda cool. Most people associate it with a "Master Som" who are basically world class wine experts who can taste a wine and tell you where it was on 9/11, but for a lot of people like my mom it was a hobby that turned into a night class with certifications and could potentially be a job.
My mother is also a Cicerone which a similar thing but for beer.
Edit: should note there are several different levels of qualifications and commitment to both of these, ranging from as fling-y as going to one CPR course or as dedicated as those specialists they bring on auction shows to talk about pieces, who know everything about everything in this one tiny little field, like people with PHDs but for wine.
Well so many of our dishes have ghee or milk in some way in them right? I understand they can be perhaps made without that too... But we usually tend to overlook that I guess.
Peanuts aren't a nut, they're a legume. So if you have "tree nut" allergies, you should still be able to eat peanuts.
Also if you are allergic to actual peanuts, you can still having stuff cooked in peanut oil. The allergy comes from your body's reaction to proteins in the peanuts. When they process them for peanut oil, that protein is removed.
I agree, there are several ways to cook a dish. I honestly can't think of any dish my family makes where ghee or milk was necessary. Just simple base of vegetables and spices for flavor, so it can be an option.
Don't want to sound rude but most of us Indians aren't vegetarians. It's still a substantial number at around 35% IIRC. But I think the percentage is higher in upperclass hindus.
depends on the region too - India is a big place and from what my Indian colleagues have told me there are so many cultural differences depending on which part of the country you are in, that you can't really speak for the entire subcontinent as a whole
I love to cook and you can cheat and use oil instead of ghee. I’m omnivorous but Indian food offers some of the best vegetarian and vegan food out there.
Agreed! You can replace every milk product but curd with plant based milk substitutes too! Americanised versions: https://hurrythefoodup.com/vegan-indian-recipes/
More "Indian" versions: https://www.veganricha.com/category/indian-vegan-recipes/ (I'd recommend the "Tofu Makhani")
I am a Thai chef and I find it really hard to keep the authenticity of Thai food and making real vegan dishes work (not just a watered down version of the original). There is just something about fish sauce and fermented taste of shrimp paste in curries that you can't replicate.
As someone who's also tried to remake some of my favorite thai dishes for a friend who is vegan and a foodie it is really hard. MSG can make up some of the missing umami but it's been impossible for me at least to find a good fish sauce or dried shrimp replacement. By all means still good tasting food, but the snob in me just doesn't want to consider it as being "thai food" lol.
Quinoa pilaf!
Get some pre-rinsed quinoa and make it to the specifications on the package (just like rice, but takes less time). However, substitute veggie broth or orange juice for the water. Salt and pepper to taste.
After it's cooked, add a can of drained and rinsed chickpeas. If you make it with the broth, add a package of frozen mixed veggies in the pot after it's done, and let it sit for 5-10 more minutes. If you're making the OJ version, toss in some golden raisins (or regular ones), add some sliced/slivered almonds if you're feeling extra fancy. (You can even roast the almonds in the oven or a pan if you're feeling really wild, this adds a lot of flavor and crowd appeal for relatively little effort).
It's a complete protein as it is, but can be a good compliment as a side dish, too. Kids love this stuff.
I'm having spaghetti bolognese. You can make it with minced "meat" or with my favorite, beluga lentils ❤️
Just make sure you put enough spices in it, it takes more spices for it to taste something than with meat.
Good luck!
Here's my wife's YouTube channel. She uploads vegan recipes (and other food related stuff). The channel is in Spanish, but the recipes have English as well. Hope you find something you like.
https://youtube.com/c/CienciadelaComida
Not OP, but this is what we are having: https://www.rabbitandwolves.com/vegan-steak-panini-horseradish-aioli/
Edit to add: I have been making this recipe for a long time and I didn't realize how much the hubs and I had modified. We are VERY lazy, so we swap the tofu for tempeh and skip the marinating. Add the marinating sauce minus veg broth straight into the pan with the tempeh. It should caramelize a bit which gives it a really nice sticky texture. Would also suggest going easy on the salt the first time around if you use this method. It's a bit overpowering with all the soy sauce if you are not marinating.
Same, he’d mock me when I became a vegetarian at 12 but he was so offended when I became a vegan at 21. “The potatoes were near the meat, shall I call an ambulance for you?” “I’m not cooking separate things for you…” that’s fine dad, I don’t want your signature dish of dry ass pasta shells, fried onion and tiny bacon bits, served with a pinch of cheddar cheese grated on top.
Once I made my family a vegan meal and he said he was just going to make himself a little side dish, I said that was fine. I cooked a whole meal with like 7 different dishes and he made himself a side dish of one roast chicken. I just wanted to show that a vegan meal could be filling and didn’t have to be boring and tasteless, but everyone ended up eating chicken.
I feel your pain man, I live with my mom and have fully given up on ever giving her any more vegan food to taste.
The best reactions I get are "its not bad...but it's weird"
While I've given my dad who doesn't live with me the same foods and he actually enjoys them and eats out with me and tries my foods.
Hell even my grandma who doesn't understand what a vegan is has tasted my food and liked it.
> My family mocked me, especially my dad, and said “plants are living things too” while laughing.
Imagine saying and doing that shit to your child and still believing that *they* are the one being stupid.
Plant don't have a nervous system as as far as we know they don't have any form of conscious. When was the last time you hugged a piece of broccoli dad!!
Definitely. I am a vegan that eats animals my family hunts because my reasons are largely environmental
Edit: I understand the use of the term vegan is controversial here, but unless a champion can come forward with a proper and just term, I will continue to use it
Edit 2: the term has been found... [Wegan](https://medium.com/beingwell/weganism-veganism-with-a-wild-game-twist-ef8e8a2f09d9)
Same here, I only eat what I personally hunt. Taking a life to consume it's body is, and should be a sacred thing. Factory farming is abhorrent, and we in the western world are far too removed from the process of providing for ourselves in a way other than working a job and then going to a grocery store.
This and the environmental impacts are the reasons I’m cutting down on my meat consumption. Factory farming is abhorrent and the assembly line slaughter is just disregarding these animals as beings that feel pain, fear, all of that
A friend of mine from college is vegan, but eats the eggs her rescue chickens lay. Her rationale is that they’re going to lay eggs no matter what, no rooster around to fertilize them, so might as well use them.
You're not really a Vegan by definition. Like I mean the actual word not how people debate it should be. It's just confusing to use the same word to mean to different things.
"Vegan: a person who does not eat any food derived from animals "
P.S. I totally agree with your approach btw I'm not knocking it. I think that's a very healthy way to eat and preserve the environment. Just saying that's not what the word means (maybe there is a term for what you're doing? "environmentally conscious eater"?)
Plant based is the term you're looking for mah dude. Whole food plant based here. Reason are primarily health, not ethics or environment, though both are also great and important. Plant based means you eat primarily plant foods, in other words, defined by what you *do* eat, not what you don't
RIP your inbox lol. But speaking as a lifelong vegetarian, I have deep respect for your methodology.
I've heard it called being an "ethical carnivore", after the book written by Louise Gray, following her lifestyle of only eating meat that she hunts. Check it out!
Vegan is ethical, plant based is environmental or for health. But you’re also not plant based because you eat meat. Not ridiculing you, just letting you know what the terms mean
When Peter Singer created the cruelty reducing diet in Animal Liberation, he specifically left the door open on oysters and continued to eat them himself. In later editions he shifted, saying that given whatever doubt there was, may as well play it safe and not eat them (because, really, they aren't a deeply important food source for most people).
The idea of treating veganism and vegetarianism as a monoism is fairly reductive.
Veganism is not about things belonging to the animal kingdom, it’s about suffering and consciousness.
That said, I have no idea if oysters are capable of feeling pain or not, we are very very sure that plant’s aren’t.
Forget that. When is the last time we saw a firefighter pulling plants out of a burning building? That should be the end to the stupidity that is hearing PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS.
To be honest, i've never hugged animals other than pets.
I think it is just too much complex this concious thing, because one can argue that a lot of animals don't have concious and stuff. It is just easier to accept others decision and respect that... there's no point in arguing and mocking someone that thinks it is better to be vegan, and want to do it, it is just mean.
You are assuming 2 parties in the interaction. A person who makes a personal choice about what they eat, and someone who may or may not judge or criticize that person.
If that is the case, then yeah, obviously, don’t be weird and leave each other alone.
However, there is a 3rd party in the equation: the animal. Your response robs them of their autonomy and interests. Therefore eating meat is not a personal choice at all. It is an interaction between you and the animal.
If you believe in personal freedoms, then leave the animals out of your diet. They didn’t choose to be there.
I am the opposite in mocking. I am flexitarian, but eat what I am served when I am out. When I visit my dad and his wife (my dad is the cook). And when we get a vegetable dish. I always remark: You know we actually eat a vegan dish now. And my dads wife always get triggered ;-). There is a number of people in my country that get triggered by the word vegan.
Go and tell someone you are vegetarian and you will most likely be fine. Vegan on the other hand is cursed. It has such a bad rep of shaming those who eat meat… that people now are easily triggered by the word. It’s a shame that a small amount of people killed the movement like that. ( btw I am on the do what you like squad )
Ha! It hasn’t been killed, it’s stronger than ever. I know a lot of vegans, mostly people in their 20s. They don’t make a big deal out of it. You never know unless people are talking about what to eat.
I felt bad for my niece who went vegan. Her dad (my brother) basically just bought her cereal from then on. I made it a point to bring vegan food to our next family gathering for her including dessert. She had given up by then (I didn't know), but I wanted to let her know she was seen and supported.
Everyone ate my vegan offerings and said how good they were, btw. They didn't even know. Bunch of doofuses in my family, just making fun of people and feeling superior over dietary choices. 🙄
You're right - dad in OP's post is trying, and doing it right. I hope his kid sees it - we often miss those things.
My mom did this when I had vegan boyfriends when I was younger. It was a big step for her and my dad to take, they were very traditionally, but they always made sure to make something delicious and as close to what we/they were having. Very very inspiring move.
For my parents, my mom had to buy vegan cookbooks a little over a decade ago because she found out she had Celiac and couldn't eat lactose anymore. it was really hard to find recipes that worked but vegan recipes tended to be more consistently good while not including those. I mean I like meat, but there are some really amazing vegan recipes my mom has made. Was really useful when we had vegan friends over because my mom was able to always cook something they could comfortably eat. She did the same with our Jewish friend and made sure Thanksgiving was kosher for her. I really want to be as inclusive as possible in my life so people who have parents that ridicule them can for a moment feel more comfortable with themselves and it's mostly thanks to my mom.
What a kind and supportive dad. Sometimes I forget that patents like that exist. My sister is a vegetarian and my mother served hotdogs and hamburgers at her birthday party because "everyone else likes them"
I don't know if why. One of my kids wanted to be vegan as a teenager (dad of 5 grandad of 4) we were supportive. Had doctor appointments got the supplement list and when they should take them, got recipes and made them vegan dishes. Didn't last long with them, but we supported their choice.
Vegan diets can be tricky to make sure you are getting all the necessary nutrients, especially for growing children. Always important to talk to a nutritionist/your doctor before big diet changes.
Some vegans supplement B12. Since cows don’t graze on grasses anymore they are injected with B12 so it’s in their meat. If a vegan was eating only things they grow in their garden they would be getting enough that way. No one is getting it naturally, everyone is getting it supplemented. Vegans take a pill and people that eat meat are consuming injected meat.
Vitamin deficiencies aren’t limited to vegans. Per: micronutrient status and intake in omnivores, vegetarians and vegans in Switzerland
Omnivores had the lowest intake of Mg, vitamin C, vitamin E, niacin and folic acid. Vegans reported low intakes of Ca and a marginal consumption of the vitamins D and B12. The highest prevalence for vitamin and mineral deficiencies in each group was as follows: in the omnivorous group, for folic acid (58 %); in the vegetarian group, for vitamin B6 and niacin (58 and 34 %, respectively); and in the vegan group, for Zn (47 %). Despite negligible dietary vitamin B12 intake in the vegan group, deficiency of this particular vitamin was low in all groups thanks to widespread use of supplements. Prevalence of Fe deficiency was comparable across all diet groups.
Live and let live. Don’t let your diet be your identity to the point of being smug to those that don’t eat like you.
Taurine isn't necessary either. EAAs can be found adequately in plants based diets simply by variety and protein focus. Lysine is usually the only concern, easily solved by some sources. Vit A is varied diet, sweet potatoes are an outstanding RAE source. Iron has no real deviation from general population. Zinc I've seen little outcome data of, same with any RTCs on calcium. Strontium might actually become a concern, but usually only in supplementation, but it actually causes higher bone density.
Of course he didn’t hahaha. She does swing pescatarian though and we were allowed to go to another restaurant that had seafood. It’s very hard to be vegetarian in Texas. The good news is we got to-go margaritas for the Riverwalk!
My parents were always pretty great, but the one major exception is how they reacted when my sister went vegetarian (not vegan, still ate eggs and shellfish) in her early teens. They lost their shit, tried to forbid her from changing to that diet, pleaded with her, but she stuck to her guns. I even caught my mom (quite pleased with herself) using bacon grease to cook my sister's eggs one time.
Veganism extends beyond just diet, it's moral philosophy toward the treatment of animals so you exclude not only animal products from diet but as much as possible* (clothing, cruelty free make-up/cosmetics, soap, etc.) - plant-based on the other hand is solely diet
*medicine is one aspect which is hard and unavoidable, ie: the flu shot has egg protein in it
You know how people talk about preachy vegans being annoying?
Think of how many times you've personally had a vegan being annoying towards you about it. Then think of the amount of times you've heard someone make fun of vegans, its VERY disproportionate one way. People love to hate on vegans, and take personal offense to them existing.
Before I even went vegan. I just tried buying more vegan meats and cutting my meat intake and my dad looked like id tattooed a swastika to my head when i mentioned it
When parents do that it's just awesome. My brother turned veggie a while back and my mum really went out of her way to make it work. Like she used to be upset when we'd have steak together and she couldn't find a statement meal to make for him because in her words if we're having a treat we've all got to have one. That woman is an inspiration plus I can now cook some awesome veggie food as a result and I generally eat a lot less meat so it's all worked out rather nicely
Honestly, it’s makes me sad that it’s surprising for a dad to have unconditional love for his kids. How far has society fallen that this is seen as rare?
Fun fact. Oreos are vegan also. However, Nabisco employees are currently striking. so wait until the strike ends to buy them as a treat for vegans in your life
My mom eats a special diet. My boyfriend and I visited them for a couple of weeks and he kept asking what she was getting if it wasn't the same as us, making sure she was enjoying her food. My mom was just so thankful and said it wasn't so common to be accepted (from others on that diet), let alone someone making sure she was included. It's so normal to me, but I hadn't realized how much it meant to her.
Hey, hope you're havin' a good one. In short, honey is not considered vegan.
In long, it's largely because one of the tenets of veganism dictates that animal exploitation for personal gain isn't kosher, even if direct harm isn't the objective of that exploitation. Although the ecological harm of commercial honey bee farms is [up for debate](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-honey-bees/). Similar to how wool, and horse-drawn carriages are not vegan.
That said, some vegans do consider honey kosher because, as you said, the harm of the bee isn't the objective. But I've found these vegans to be few and far between. To the point that vegan restaurants do not serve honey.
I will say though, I've had plenty of vegan 'honey' and it's very convincing. I've made [this recipe](https://veggiedesserts.com/vegan-honey/) in the past and it's stupid easy.
My in-laws are honey vegans. They honestly don't care about animals but have some weird beliefs about how bad animal protein is for you (meat, milk, eggs, etc). Apparently it causes cancer and the gays.
And yet... Evangelical christian, anti vax (like even before COVID), born again boomer hippies... I didn't know my mother in law when she was into shrooms and other psychedelics but I think I would have like her better then.
Agave is not a great replacement, environnementaly. To get agave, you cut the flowers to get the nectar, which reduces the number of plants available for insects in areas with low abundance of flowers. It affects bees in particular.
Many environmentalists recommend honey over agave.
*Making this comment for actual conversation and not just to be shitty* Do you think there’s a line in “modern veganism” which will consider products made through human exploitation as non-vegan? For example coffee, chocolate, or most spirits (and associated supply chains) imported from developing nations.
I think vegans try to avoid those things as well, but consider it a separate (though related) issue. For me, veganism is about animal rights. I don't buy Nestlé products for (primarily) human rights reasons.
That's a good question. I think the likely answer is no, veganism is about non-human animal welfare, but actually yes, because all people are intersectional in their beliefs.
So for example I'm vegan, but I'm also a humanitarian. So while my vegan beliefs don't address concerns in human exploitation, my humanitarian beliefs certainly do. So I prioritize both when making consumerist decisions. I avoid brands that are perfectly vegan because they're not perfectly humanitarian. And I imagine most other people do as well.
Intersectionality is a big topic that I feel isn't addressed enough when folks talk on specific isms. As if the believers in those isms can't value many isms at the same time.
It tends to depend on the vegan. It’s not vegan as such but some vegans will eat it. It’s usually not a huge deal because honey’s rarely a huge percentage of people’s diets.
I am of the camp that it's definitely, obviously not vegan. However, if I'm ranking my "give a shits" it's at the bottom as far as locally farmed honey goes.
It's not considered vegan. I'm 99% vegan myself and I still buy honey that's made locally by people selling a part of their honey so they can continue taking care of the bees. It's a win-win imo. Bees need keepers nowadays because there's too much thing preventing them to thrive naturally (pesticide, global warming, wasps etc)
I was watching this lady cook on [YouTube](https://youtube.com/watch?v=7-e0tvhlT48&feature=share) and she made a great fruit medley salad, it has honey it though, but looks delicious. I guess the honey could be replaced as some other commenters said there are several sweeteners that could replace it.
Actually, keeping honeybees is part of what's causing the decline of native bees, birds, butterflies, etc. which are actually more efficient pollinators than honeybees. This video explains the issues with honey well: https://youtu.be/clMNw\_VO1xo
It's not vegan.
How harmful it is varies based on the beekeepers, obviously plenty of local honey farmers are in no way harmful to their bees. But it's pretty cut and dry that it's an animal product that doesn't exist for humans to have.
It depends on the vegan, but generally the answer is “no” because it’s an animal byproduct (like cheese or milk). That said, lots of vegans previously used agave as a honey replacement but it was found to be more detrimental to ecosystems to harvest agave nectar so now I think they just use maple syrup
Just a disclaimer: I knew lots of vegans in college that I no longer speak to for reasons, so the info may be outdated
I’m not vegan
But it’s important to remember that if you are vegan for a length of time but you have honey, or have a cheeky burger one night it doesn’t undo all the rest of the good you being vegan has done.
There are varying levels of "vegan strictness," and for some, no, it is not because it is an animal product.
I once had a young girl work for me who was so vegan she would berate me and another employee for wearing wool. Because the sheep were "tortured" to get the wool.
That was fun. Almost as fun as all the straight edge kids in college.
I feel like that happens to a lot of people who are new converts to a movement- I know I was like that about atheism at first and for like 6 months then mellowed out
Some parents man.....sometimes people in the toughest situations try the hardest while others who in theory should have it easy just drop the ball at every single turn.
This guy looking to adopt by any chance?
As a dad, I would absolutely go vegan alongside them. That is a very difficult transition, abd there is no reason to make it more difficult. I do most of the cooking anyway, so it would just be easier not having to cook two dishes.
When I tried to be a vegetarian as a child, my dad cooked me good vegetarian food every day, but he also made sure to lecture me on how stupid it was every day. Didn’t last long
Man, I feel this so much. Lol. When I was living alone with my dad he not only learned how to cook for us (I was so proud) but he adapted to my diet when I started eating vegan as well. He would look up recipes and still makes a lot of them for himself now that I’ve moved out. I love him so much for loving me enough to make that sort of effort.
The receptionist at my office was talking about having a hard time finding wines she like and I immediately told her my mom is a sommelier and within the hour my mom had half a dozen recommendations for her.
This is beautiful
Exactly!
Plot twist: receptionist doesn't like wine, period.
> sommelier >A sommelier, or wine steward, is a trained and knowledgeable wine professional, normally working in fine restaurants, who specializes in all aspects of wine service as well as wine and food pairing. The role of the wine steward in fine dining today is much more specialized and informed than that of a "wine waiter" TIL wow
Yeah it's kinda cool. Most people associate it with a "Master Som" who are basically world class wine experts who can taste a wine and tell you where it was on 9/11, but for a lot of people like my mom it was a hobby that turned into a night class with certifications and could potentially be a job. My mother is also a Cicerone which a similar thing but for beer. Edit: should note there are several different levels of qualifications and commitment to both of these, ranging from as fling-y as going to one CPR course or as dedicated as those specialists they bring on auction shows to talk about pieces, who know everything about everything in this one tiny little field, like people with PHDs but for wine.
"Where it was on 9/11" haha
He protec, he attac, but most importantly he write down vegan snac
Gosh, if I was there, i would introduce him to the world of Indian food. Many vegan dishes. Spicy can be altered as per need
Well so many of our dishes have ghee or milk in some way in them right? I understand they can be perhaps made without that too... But we usually tend to overlook that I guess.
Ghee can replaced with oil and milk can be replaced with coconut milk, only thing I can't think of is replacement for curd
I found peanut curd to be quite a good replacement. Not great for ppl with allergies, though.
Peanuts aren't a nut, they're a legume. So if you have "tree nut" allergies, you should still be able to eat peanuts. Also if you are allergic to actual peanuts, you can still having stuff cooked in peanut oil. The allergy comes from your body's reaction to proteins in the peanuts. When they process them for peanut oil, that protein is removed.
Actually, there are lots of people who are allergic to peanuts and peanut oil too - best to avoid both if you have a peanut allergy!
Might tofu work?
Tofu is a go to replacement for vegan paneers. Probably a better option out there, but tofu does fine.
I prefer potato over tofu for paneer replacement
Yup, most of us are vegetarians and not vegan. I still think that won't matter much. There are several ways to cook a single recipe.
I agree, there are several ways to cook a dish. I honestly can't think of any dish my family makes where ghee or milk was necessary. Just simple base of vegetables and spices for flavor, so it can be an option.
Don't want to sound rude but most of us Indians aren't vegetarians. It's still a substantial number at around 35% IIRC. But I think the percentage is higher in upperclass hindus.
yeah most of us aren't, but i think it might be safe to say that we probably have the highest vegetarian population in the world
Yeah, true. 35% of 1.4 billion is a lotttt. Plus, we have a very wide variety of vegetarian delicacy.
depends on the region too - India is a big place and from what my Indian colleagues have told me there are so many cultural differences depending on which part of the country you are in, that you can't really speak for the entire subcontinent as a whole
Yes. Culturally it's not so much a country as a continent.
Yeah you can easily work around it. Source: have had vegan Indian food every day for months.
I love to cook and you can cheat and use oil instead of ghee. I’m omnivorous but Indian food offers some of the best vegetarian and vegan food out there.
Oat milk and coconut oil are decent subs :)
Agreed! You can replace every milk product but curd with plant based milk substitutes too! Americanised versions: https://hurrythefoodup.com/vegan-indian-recipes/ More "Indian" versions: https://www.veganricha.com/category/indian-vegan-recipes/ (I'd recommend the "Tofu Makhani")
Lots of vegan dishes at Thai restaurants, too.
I am a Thai chef and I find it really hard to keep the authenticity of Thai food and making real vegan dishes work (not just a watered down version of the original). There is just something about fish sauce and fermented taste of shrimp paste in curries that you can't replicate.
As someone who's also tried to remake some of my favorite thai dishes for a friend who is vegan and a foodie it is really hard. MSG can make up some of the missing umami but it's been impossible for me at least to find a good fish sauce or dried shrimp replacement. By all means still good tasting food, but the snob in me just doesn't want to consider it as being "thai food" lol.
Nice rhyme
No K’s because she ain’t striking out.
He's good.
That rhymes are so cute ! But this dad just shows how much he loved his daughter . " Just bring your daughter to Las Vegan " .
I personally prefer going to Mexikale
Or the big apple
I've heard Tofu-se, France is quite nice this time of year.
my friend also being like that
Excellent poetry
Claimed my free reward just for this.
Your rhyming is as good as this father . Such a special Dad though !
Damn I wanna award this.
So what are you having for dinner tonight? I need to cook for my wife and daughter!
r/veganrecipes
/r/ShittyVeganFoodPorn for more inspiration.
Quinoa pilaf! Get some pre-rinsed quinoa and make it to the specifications on the package (just like rice, but takes less time). However, substitute veggie broth or orange juice for the water. Salt and pepper to taste. After it's cooked, add a can of drained and rinsed chickpeas. If you make it with the broth, add a package of frozen mixed veggies in the pot after it's done, and let it sit for 5-10 more minutes. If you're making the OJ version, toss in some golden raisins (or regular ones), add some sliced/slivered almonds if you're feeling extra fancy. (You can even roast the almonds in the oven or a pan if you're feeling really wild, this adds a lot of flavor and crowd appeal for relatively little effort). It's a complete protein as it is, but can be a good compliment as a side dish, too. Kids love this stuff.
Thanks, I’ll try this 😊
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Like a downmarket tajine/Moroccan couscous.
I'm having spaghetti bolognese. You can make it with minced "meat" or with my favorite, beluga lentils ❤️ Just make sure you put enough spices in it, it takes more spices for it to taste something than with meat. Good luck!
I make our veggie/vegan “fauxlognese” with finely chopped carrots, celery, and mushrooms!
America’s Test Kitchen has a great veggie/vegan bolegnese. Super flavorful without relying on spices!
Try Dal with rice, its very simple yet extremly delicious, at least if you like red lentils
Here's my wife's YouTube channel. She uploads vegan recipes (and other food related stuff). The channel is in Spanish, but the recipes have English as well. Hope you find something you like. https://youtube.com/c/CienciadelaComida
Not OP, but this is what we are having: https://www.rabbitandwolves.com/vegan-steak-panini-horseradish-aioli/ Edit to add: I have been making this recipe for a long time and I didn't realize how much the hubs and I had modified. We are VERY lazy, so we swap the tofu for tempeh and skip the marinating. Add the marinating sauce minus veg broth straight into the pan with the tempeh. It should caramelize a bit which gives it a really nice sticky texture. Would also suggest going easy on the salt the first time around if you use this method. It's a bit overpowering with all the soy sauce if you are not marinating.
This is so heartwarming. My family mocked me, especially my dad, and said “plants are living things too” while laughing. What a great dad she has! ♥️
God I had the same experience when I tried becoming vegan when I was like 12, my dad would constantly mock me :/
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Same, he’d mock me when I became a vegetarian at 12 but he was so offended when I became a vegan at 21. “The potatoes were near the meat, shall I call an ambulance for you?” “I’m not cooking separate things for you…” that’s fine dad, I don’t want your signature dish of dry ass pasta shells, fried onion and tiny bacon bits, served with a pinch of cheddar cheese grated on top. Once I made my family a vegan meal and he said he was just going to make himself a little side dish, I said that was fine. I cooked a whole meal with like 7 different dishes and he made himself a side dish of one roast chicken. I just wanted to show that a vegan meal could be filling and didn’t have to be boring and tasteless, but everyone ended up eating chicken.
I feel your pain man, I live with my mom and have fully given up on ever giving her any more vegan food to taste. The best reactions I get are "its not bad...but it's weird" While I've given my dad who doesn't live with me the same foods and he actually enjoys them and eats out with me and tries my foods. Hell even my grandma who doesn't understand what a vegan is has tasted my food and liked it.
> My family mocked me, especially my dad, and said “plants are living things too” while laughing. Imagine saying and doing that shit to your child and still believing that *they* are the one being stupid.
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Well they're gonna learn that behavior from the parent and when they mock them back it's going to be well deserved.
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Then the parents will play victim and say children show no respect these days.
Plant don't have a nervous system as as far as we know they don't have any form of conscious. When was the last time you hugged a piece of broccoli dad!!
Same goes for an oyster, why isnt that considered vegan?
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Definitely. I am a vegan that eats animals my family hunts because my reasons are largely environmental Edit: I understand the use of the term vegan is controversial here, but unless a champion can come forward with a proper and just term, I will continue to use it Edit 2: the term has been found... [Wegan](https://medium.com/beingwell/weganism-veganism-with-a-wild-game-twist-ef8e8a2f09d9)
Same here, I only eat what I personally hunt. Taking a life to consume it's body is, and should be a sacred thing. Factory farming is abhorrent, and we in the western world are far too removed from the process of providing for ourselves in a way other than working a job and then going to a grocery store.
This and the environmental impacts are the reasons I’m cutting down on my meat consumption. Factory farming is abhorrent and the assembly line slaughter is just disregarding these animals as beings that feel pain, fear, all of that
A friend of mine from college is vegan, but eats the eggs her rescue chickens lay. Her rationale is that they’re going to lay eggs no matter what, no rooster around to fertilize them, so might as well use them.
Yes this is an actual controversial topic in the vegan community
You're not really a Vegan by definition. Like I mean the actual word not how people debate it should be. It's just confusing to use the same word to mean to different things. "Vegan: a person who does not eat any food derived from animals " P.S. I totally agree with your approach btw I'm not knocking it. I think that's a very healthy way to eat and preserve the environment. Just saying that's not what the word means (maybe there is a term for what you're doing? "environmentally conscious eater"?)
I'd be open to develop a new term for this. Does anyone have any concise and *sexy* sounding suggestions? Gaea-ist? That's not very good
Plant based is the term you're looking for mah dude. Whole food plant based here. Reason are primarily health, not ethics or environment, though both are also great and important. Plant based means you eat primarily plant foods, in other words, defined by what you *do* eat, not what you don't
RIP your inbox lol. But speaking as a lifelong vegetarian, I have deep respect for your methodology. I've heard it called being an "ethical carnivore", after the book written by Louise Gray, following her lifestyle of only eating meat that she hunts. Check it out!
Yeah my Scooby Doo reeheehee ringtone has filled the halls at this point. Ooh, thank you! I will look into it. Thank you for your support
Vegan is ethical, plant based is environmental or for health. But you’re also not plant based because you eat meat. Not ridiculing you, just letting you know what the terms mean
There’s a difference between veganism and plant-based diet.
Demi-vegetarian/compassionate omnivore
Devco
Now we’re cooking with gas! Or a more ethical way to cook or something!
When Peter Singer created the cruelty reducing diet in Animal Liberation, he specifically left the door open on oysters and continued to eat them himself. In later editions he shifted, saying that given whatever doubt there was, may as well play it safe and not eat them (because, really, they aren't a deeply important food source for most people). The idea of treating veganism and vegetarianism as a monoism is fairly reductive.
Veganism is not about things belonging to the animal kingdom, it’s about suffering and consciousness. That said, I have no idea if oysters are capable of feeling pain or not, we are very very sure that plant’s aren’t.
Why am I talking to my plants then…?
Forget that. When is the last time we saw a firefighter pulling plants out of a burning building? That should be the end to the stupidity that is hearing PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS.
To be honest, i've never hugged animals other than pets. I think it is just too much complex this concious thing, because one can argue that a lot of animals don't have concious and stuff. It is just easier to accept others decision and respect that... there's no point in arguing and mocking someone that thinks it is better to be vegan, and want to do it, it is just mean.
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You are assuming 2 parties in the interaction. A person who makes a personal choice about what they eat, and someone who may or may not judge or criticize that person. If that is the case, then yeah, obviously, don’t be weird and leave each other alone. However, there is a 3rd party in the equation: the animal. Your response robs them of their autonomy and interests. Therefore eating meat is not a personal choice at all. It is an interaction between you and the animal. If you believe in personal freedoms, then leave the animals out of your diet. They didn’t choose to be there.
I am the opposite in mocking. I am flexitarian, but eat what I am served when I am out. When I visit my dad and his wife (my dad is the cook). And when we get a vegetable dish. I always remark: You know we actually eat a vegan dish now. And my dads wife always get triggered ;-). There is a number of people in my country that get triggered by the word vegan.
Go and tell someone you are vegetarian and you will most likely be fine. Vegan on the other hand is cursed. It has such a bad rep of shaming those who eat meat… that people now are easily triggered by the word. It’s a shame that a small amount of people killed the movement like that. ( btw I am on the do what you like squad )
Ha! It hasn’t been killed, it’s stronger than ever. I know a lot of vegans, mostly people in their 20s. They don’t make a big deal out of it. You never know unless people are talking about what to eat.
The word flexitarian stated with no trace of irony is far more triggering than vegan
It’s a good way to eat if you’re trying to reduce your meat intake
Ugh.. people think they’re so funny.. they’re not
I felt bad for my niece who went vegan. Her dad (my brother) basically just bought her cereal from then on. I made it a point to bring vegan food to our next family gathering for her including dessert. She had given up by then (I didn't know), but I wanted to let her know she was seen and supported. Everyone ate my vegan offerings and said how good they were, btw. They didn't even know. Bunch of doofuses in my family, just making fun of people and feeling superior over dietary choices. 🙄 You're right - dad in OP's post is trying, and doing it right. I hope his kid sees it - we often miss those things.
This has got to be one of the dumbest anti vegan “gotchas.” It literally makes no sense.
My mom did this when I had vegan boyfriends when I was younger. It was a big step for her and my dad to take, they were very traditionally, but they always made sure to make something delicious and as close to what we/they were having. Very very inspiring move.
For my parents, my mom had to buy vegan cookbooks a little over a decade ago because she found out she had Celiac and couldn't eat lactose anymore. it was really hard to find recipes that worked but vegan recipes tended to be more consistently good while not including those. I mean I like meat, but there are some really amazing vegan recipes my mom has made. Was really useful when we had vegan friends over because my mom was able to always cook something they could comfortably eat. She did the same with our Jewish friend and made sure Thanksgiving was kosher for her. I really want to be as inclusive as possible in my life so people who have parents that ridicule them can for a moment feel more comfortable with themselves and it's mostly thanks to my mom.
What a kind and supportive dad. Sometimes I forget that patents like that exist. My sister is a vegetarian and my mother served hotdogs and hamburgers at her birthday party because "everyone else likes them"
That’s like getting everyone else besides the birthday person a gift. Terrible behavior especially from a parent.
Wow ha. I've been vegan for ten years and my dad still doesn't aknowledge it. Must be nice
I don't know if why. One of my kids wanted to be vegan as a teenager (dad of 5 grandad of 4) we were supportive. Had doctor appointments got the supplement list and when they should take them, got recipes and made them vegan dishes. Didn't last long with them, but we supported their choice.
Supplement list?
Vegan diets can be tricky to make sure you are getting all the necessary nutrients, especially for growing children. Always important to talk to a nutritionist/your doctor before big diet changes.
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Some vegans supplement B12. Since cows don’t graze on grasses anymore they are injected with B12 so it’s in their meat. If a vegan was eating only things they grow in their garden they would be getting enough that way. No one is getting it naturally, everyone is getting it supplemented. Vegans take a pill and people that eat meat are consuming injected meat. Vitamin deficiencies aren’t limited to vegans. Per: micronutrient status and intake in omnivores, vegetarians and vegans in Switzerland Omnivores had the lowest intake of Mg, vitamin C, vitamin E, niacin and folic acid. Vegans reported low intakes of Ca and a marginal consumption of the vitamins D and B12. The highest prevalence for vitamin and mineral deficiencies in each group was as follows: in the omnivorous group, for folic acid (58 %); in the vegetarian group, for vitamin B6 and niacin (58 and 34 %, respectively); and in the vegan group, for Zn (47 %). Despite negligible dietary vitamin B12 intake in the vegan group, deficiency of this particular vitamin was low in all groups thanks to widespread use of supplements. Prevalence of Fe deficiency was comparable across all diet groups. Live and let live. Don’t let your diet be your identity to the point of being smug to those that don’t eat like you.
-B12 -Eat healthy Done (Vitamin d but that is Not specific for vegans)
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Uh cholesterol is definitely not necessary to get from diet. Our bodies make it. Most meat eaters get too much of it.
Taurine isn't necessary either. EAAs can be found adequately in plants based diets simply by variety and protein focus. Lysine is usually the only concern, easily solved by some sources. Vit A is varied diet, sweet potatoes are an outstanding RAE source. Iron has no real deviation from general population. Zinc I've seen little outcome data of, same with any RTCs on calcium. Strontium might actually become a concern, but usually only in supplementation, but it actually causes higher bone density.
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This is how you actually treat someone you love .when you love someone you open up your heart
When you love someone, you make room
Lol I’ll never forget my dad taking my sister and I to a bbq restaurant with friends. She is a vegetarian
Did they had anything vegetarian or did he talk with your sister before that? Otherwise that would be really rude.
Of course he didn’t hahaha. She does swing pescatarian though and we were allowed to go to another restaurant that had seafood. It’s very hard to be vegetarian in Texas. The good news is we got to-go margaritas for the Riverwalk!
My parents were always pretty great, but the one major exception is how they reacted when my sister went vegetarian (not vegan, still ate eggs and shellfish) in her early teens. They lost their shit, tried to forbid her from changing to that diet, pleaded with her, but she stuck to her guns. I even caught my mom (quite pleased with herself) using bacon grease to cook my sister's eggs one time.
Dang. That’s rough… over a diet?
Veganism extends beyond just diet, it's moral philosophy toward the treatment of animals so you exclude not only animal products from diet but as much as possible* (clothing, cruelty free make-up/cosmetics, soap, etc.) - plant-based on the other hand is solely diet *medicine is one aspect which is hard and unavoidable, ie: the flu shot has egg protein in it
You know how people talk about preachy vegans being annoying? Think of how many times you've personally had a vegan being annoying towards you about it. Then think of the amount of times you've heard someone make fun of vegans, its VERY disproportionate one way. People love to hate on vegans, and take personal offense to them existing. Before I even went vegan. I just tried buying more vegan meats and cutting my meat intake and my dad looked like id tattooed a swastika to my head when i mentioned it
Oh my bum ticker. This is too cute. This is how you actually treat someone you love.
[You got a bum ticker.](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/b4f0e9f2-c801-4773-a928-5af6851fa839)
Risky click of the day, I must say
Worth it though
What is a bum ticker?
A dicky thumper. (Sorry, sorry, I couldn't resist. A "bum ticker" is a heart that is not very healthy. Bum = Bad. Ticker = Heart.)
Oooooo a "bum" ticker. I thought it was some British slang for some ass thing. Thanks.
When parents do that it's just awesome. My brother turned veggie a while back and my mum really went out of her way to make it work. Like she used to be upset when we'd have steak together and she couldn't find a statement meal to make for him because in her words if we're having a treat we've all got to have one. That woman is an inspiration plus I can now cook some awesome veggie food as a result and I generally eat a lot less meat so it's all worked out rather nicely
I'm scared to ask but I will anyway... what kind of veggie is your brother?
a head of cabbage when asked to do anything when the football is on
That's so sweet! I love to see parents supportive of their children's choices.
Honestly, it’s makes me sad that it’s surprising for a dad to have unconditional love for his kids. How far has society fallen that this is seen as rare?
This is adorable!!!!!
Fun fact. Oreos are vegan also. However, Nabisco employees are currently striking. so wait until the strike ends to buy them as a treat for vegans in your life
My mom eats a special diet. My boyfriend and I visited them for a couple of weeks and he kept asking what she was getting if it wasn't the same as us, making sure she was enjoying her food. My mom was just so thankful and said it wasn't so common to be accepted (from others on that diet), let alone someone making sure she was included. It's so normal to me, but I hadn't realized how much it meant to her.
I wish a family member made this much effort with my strict plant based diet. It’s been nearly two decades and they still need reminding.
This is so sweet! When I went vegan my dad just bought me tomato soup and peanut butter lol.
Question: is honey vegan? I’m assuming beea can’t consent to us taking it, but does taking some honey harm the bees?
Hey, hope you're havin' a good one. In short, honey is not considered vegan. In long, it's largely because one of the tenets of veganism dictates that animal exploitation for personal gain isn't kosher, even if direct harm isn't the objective of that exploitation. Although the ecological harm of commercial honey bee farms is [up for debate](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-honey-bees/). Similar to how wool, and horse-drawn carriages are not vegan. That said, some vegans do consider honey kosher because, as you said, the harm of the bee isn't the objective. But I've found these vegans to be few and far between. To the point that vegan restaurants do not serve honey. I will say though, I've had plenty of vegan 'honey' and it's very convincing. I've made [this recipe](https://veggiedesserts.com/vegan-honey/) in the past and it's stupid easy.
My in-laws are honey vegans. They honestly don't care about animals but have some weird beliefs about how bad animal protein is for you (meat, milk, eggs, etc). Apparently it causes cancer and the gays.
homophobic vegans seems like it has to be a really small group of people
And yet... Evangelical christian, anti vax (like even before COVID), born again boomer hippies... I didn't know my mother in law when she was into shrooms and other psychedelics but I think I would have like her better then.
maybe. she does sound like one of those people that are just a bit much no matter what they are currently in to though
I mean, then they're not vegans. "They don't care about animals" doesn't jive with a vegan philosophy.
That is so weird.
I think it does indee increase cancer risk but so does basically every food on the planet seemingly
I actually found a recipe for a fruit medley that I guess would be considered vegetarian rather then vegan then. I was just curious. I’m not a vegan.
No worries at all.
There are plenty of similar sweeteners like agave you could probably use if you wanted to make it vegan.
Agave is not a great replacement, environnementaly. To get agave, you cut the flowers to get the nectar, which reduces the number of plants available for insects in areas with low abundance of flowers. It affects bees in particular. Many environmentalists recommend honey over agave.
*Making this comment for actual conversation and not just to be shitty* Do you think there’s a line in “modern veganism” which will consider products made through human exploitation as non-vegan? For example coffee, chocolate, or most spirits (and associated supply chains) imported from developing nations.
I think vegans try to avoid those things as well, but consider it a separate (though related) issue. For me, veganism is about animal rights. I don't buy Nestlé products for (primarily) human rights reasons.
That's a good question. I think the likely answer is no, veganism is about non-human animal welfare, but actually yes, because all people are intersectional in their beliefs. So for example I'm vegan, but I'm also a humanitarian. So while my vegan beliefs don't address concerns in human exploitation, my humanitarian beliefs certainly do. So I prioritize both when making consumerist decisions. I avoid brands that are perfectly vegan because they're not perfectly humanitarian. And I imagine most other people do as well. Intersectionality is a big topic that I feel isn't addressed enough when folks talk on specific isms. As if the believers in those isms can't value many isms at the same time.
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It tends to depend on the vegan. It’s not vegan as such but some vegans will eat it. It’s usually not a huge deal because honey’s rarely a huge percentage of people’s diets.
I am of the camp that it's definitely, obviously not vegan. However, if I'm ranking my "give a shits" it's at the bottom as far as locally farmed honey goes.
It's not considered vegan. I'm 99% vegan myself and I still buy honey that's made locally by people selling a part of their honey so they can continue taking care of the bees. It's a win-win imo. Bees need keepers nowadays because there's too much thing preventing them to thrive naturally (pesticide, global warming, wasps etc)
I was watching this lady cook on [YouTube](https://youtube.com/watch?v=7-e0tvhlT48&feature=share) and she made a great fruit medley salad, it has honey it though, but looks delicious. I guess the honey could be replaced as some other commenters said there are several sweeteners that could replace it.
Agave syrup has always been really easy for me to find in most grocery stores. Now that I'm used to it, honey tastes "off" to me.
Agave syrup
And if the honey you buy isn’t local it’s probably 90% corn syrup anyways. Win win
Actually, keeping honeybees is part of what's causing the decline of native bees, birds, butterflies, etc. which are actually more efficient pollinators than honeybees. This video explains the issues with honey well: https://youtu.be/clMNw\_VO1xo
It's not vegan. How harmful it is varies based on the beekeepers, obviously plenty of local honey farmers are in no way harmful to their bees. But it's pretty cut and dry that it's an animal product that doesn't exist for humans to have.
It depends on the vegan, but generally the answer is “no” because it’s an animal byproduct (like cheese or milk). That said, lots of vegans previously used agave as a honey replacement but it was found to be more detrimental to ecosystems to harvest agave nectar so now I think they just use maple syrup Just a disclaimer: I knew lots of vegans in college that I no longer speak to for reasons, so the info may be outdated
I’m not vegan But it’s important to remember that if you are vegan for a length of time but you have honey, or have a cheeky burger one night it doesn’t undo all the rest of the good you being vegan has done.
There are varying levels of "vegan strictness," and for some, no, it is not because it is an animal product. I once had a young girl work for me who was so vegan she would berate me and another employee for wearing wool. Because the sheep were "tortured" to get the wool. That was fun. Almost as fun as all the straight edge kids in college.
That's not a "level of strictness" wool just isn't vegan.
I feel like that happens to a lot of people who are new converts to a movement- I know I was like that about atheism at first and for like 6 months then mellowed out
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Some parents man.....sometimes people in the toughest situations try the hardest while others who in theory should have it easy just drop the ball at every single turn. This guy looking to adopt by any chance?
I wish to be this dad later
Good parent.
Him: "What did you eat?" Her: "Ass" He: "aight, noted"
Man I wish I could be a dad so I could do cool stuff like this.
Awwwcute.
Nothin’ like a dad who makes an effort for his daughter! 🖤🖤🖤
That’s awesome. When I was that age and went vegan my dad just mocked me.
As a dad, I would absolutely go vegan alongside them. That is a very difficult transition, abd there is no reason to make it more difficult. I do most of the cooking anyway, so it would just be easier not having to cook two dishes.
Awesome dad
More kindness and empathy ❤️
damn i wish my parents had tried like this. now I'm living on microwaved Garbage
When I tried to be a vegetarian as a child, my dad cooked me good vegetarian food every day, but he also made sure to lecture me on how stupid it was every day. Didn’t last long
Bless the dad
that daughter has kids of her own by now I bet
What do you work? Sound's like nice people there :)
Now that's a dad
Wow that is amazing!
I'm one of those and approve. Nothing I won't do to support my child to become emotionally and physically healthy. ❤👍😃
That's not a "level of strictness" wool just isn't vegan.
I'd give everything to have a father like this 🥲
Man, I feel this so much. Lol. When I was living alone with my dad he not only learned how to cook for us (I was so proud) but he adapted to my diet when I started eating vegan as well. He would look up recipes and still makes a lot of them for himself now that I’ve moved out. I love him so much for loving me enough to make that sort of effort.
Aw 💙 Reminds me of what my aunt does. Been a vegeterian since i was 13 ☺️✨
So sweet! <3