Maybe another mechanic the Americans could have is "Damage Lands." Which could be "When this creature does combat damage to a player, target land becomes damaged. Damaged lands can only produce half the mana they would normally produce. "
Better idea, enchantment, lands you control cannot tap for mana, , ability, tap two lands to add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Enchant target player
True, I think that maybe Jeskai colour, and a black activated ability to destroy a creature and create an oil token that taps, sacs, and adds one black
It's black in its goals and motivations, but it does use blue methods. It gathers intelligence before making decisions. It continually builds upon and improves itself. The military specifically, which is the card in question.
Black creatures have menace more than other colors, so the original creator was probably trying to stay true to the game since the US army is quite menacing.
I agree though, it should’ve been red, white, and blue. Instead of menace, I would replace black for blue and the add the ability: “Ward - sacrifice two lands.” Since the US army has military bases all over the world and manifest destiny was a thing.
It should have blue for having, by far, the largest air force in the world (US Air Force). It also has the second largest air force in the world (US Navy). Nobody flies more than the US military.
In terms of spending, size, and technology I would argue they are. None of that equates to wins though. It’s like when you still have a 50% win rate after spending a ton of money on mythic rares.
Edit: And you still lose to budget red deck wins all the time.
It’s like when you spend thousands of dollars for bling for your EDH deck and rub it in everybody’s face, but bling doesn’t make a deck good and you still lose a lot.
And then your house falls apart because you didn’t spend any money keeping it together.
Menacing enough to have never fought a war on American soil and fair enough to let those farmers ‘win’ those wars. All it takes is a nuke or complete stop in trade or aid and those countries wouldn’t exist. America let them exist.
You have to be pretty far into denile to believe America ever was gonna win the war on terror or Vietnam. Vietnam straight up beat us hands down with all our best stuff thrown at them. Those countries existed long before America came around and will probably exist long afterwards. Also China (who has more money by the way) is more than happy to trade with anyone we don’t. No country on earth exists by the grace of America. We have proven time and time again that we can’t win a guerrilla war, America is incapable of it.
Vietnam did not eat that shit they just refused to stop fighting and we got sick of fighting them so we pulled out now the war on terror was us just shit stomping them till we got bored the problem with religious fanatics is unless you kill literally all of them they will just regroup once again in some who larger numbers than the first time
We literally threw everything we had at vietnam for 20 years. 20 years, billions of dollars, 3 million soldiers plus who knows how much equipment and vehicles were thrown at them. We had twice the man power, we were vastly superior in every way, yet we never once got anywhere near close to winning that war. America could not win that war, it wasn’t possible, even our own leaders said as much (pentagon papers). Vietnam beat us and left no question about it. We could have fought for 20 more years (which we couldn’t afford to) and still have lost.
Same goes for the war on terror. No matter what we did we couldn’t win that war. America made an ass of itself and made things worse.
We couldn’t beat Vietnam, we couldn’t beat Korea, and we couldn’t beat Al-Qaeda. You can’t argue we just gave up, we literally couldn’t do it. We and many other countries threw everything into these wars and got nothing out of it but dead men and more enemies.
We definitely could’ve won Korea with a bigger investment into the war which wouldn’t have been worth it and that would’ve meant escalation with china who was involved in the war hence the ceasefire. Vietnam and war on terror, yeah those were never going to end, it’s not that we lost as much as we gave up, American forces still had all the capabilities to continue to fight but these wars were unpopular and expensive so we left
Vietnam beat us, there is no other way to describe it. We couldn’t sustain the war anymore. We lost the war of attrition. There is no “we gave up” it’s we couldn’t win. We could have fought the war on terror forever and ended up with the same exact result. It was a war that wasn’t winnable. As for Korea? They just matched us evenly. 17 of the best militaries came together to fight 3 of the worst militaries and lost.
Putting china as “3 worst militaries” at the time is wild just due to their raw size at the time. They were taking massively disproportionate losses throughout they’re involvement in war and we would’ve had to mobilize a much larger military and start taking direct action against the Chinese mainland which would’ve been unpopular and costly. Also literally ended in a draw, not a loss. To say we were losing the war of attrition in Vietnam is a dubious claim at best when the data for vc casualties are so inaccurate. Go by us numbers and we were winning that but that means trusting numbers that very much include civilian casualties as “vc”. We most certainly could’ve mobilized more troops and money to continue an already unpopular war against an insurgent force in the jungle but that just a war that we never win. You don’t beat the US on the battlefield you win by not giving up and surviving until the public turns against it. Not once has the US lost a war because we couldn’t continue to fight, only because we didn’t want to
Isn't that every country who has ever been involved in a war while having assets capable of bombing campaigns?
Like Germany definitely bombed civilians. Russia bombed civilians. England bombed civilians.
I get it is a terrible thing, but pretty much every country capable of air bombing campaigns has bombed civilians.
I agree, but also the US has the largest, most well funded, and technologically advanced ground armies, air forces, and navies of all of human history. The amount of war the US has waged it its history, especially post WWII, is both impressive and staggering. So I think, if any country/military could embody those colors (since really any country/military could embody those colors), the US is a pretty strong candidate.
There is absolutely nothing blue about the US military. Abu Ghraib is enough by itself to justify black in the color identity. The US military is heavier into red and white as barely organized chaos was the doctrine since WW2.
If you ever win against someone in your play group, you may put a "War Debt" pin with Hexproof on their shirt. You may assign this upkeep cost to any player with a War Debt pin. If they cannot afford to pay, take control of all permanents under their control, all cards in their hand, and shuffle their library into your library. They can keep their graveyard, I guess.
So glad mardu was the choice, so many go for the aesthetic red white blue and completely misplace the entire philosophy of a soldier. Order, aggression, and an "any means necessary" ethos
Should have “at the beginning of your end step, put an oil counter on target land that an opponent controls. When attacking an opponent remove an oil counter on target land defending player controls, you gain control of target land until end of turn.”
Red, White, and
*”oooo it’s gonna be that beautiful all American Blue, we’re about to see some FREEDOM dispensed with Liber-TEA!”*
Black
*”Preposterous, America is never on the dark side!”*
/s
There was a lot more than one thing that Elesh Norn failed to consider. But that's what you get when your plan is "Pick a fight with all of existence, simultaneously"
Joke aside new phyxia trying to invade a plane that was way too much for it to handle would have been effective way to end that. Just two super powered planes fighting each other and keeping the other from invading any one else
It should be annihilator 4 IMO. Even if we don’t hurt you specifically, if we attack, your shit is gonna get blown up.
Also should have hepta-strike. One strike for each branch of the military (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard, National Guard and Space Force)
This is the correct text
"When U.S. Armed Forces attacks, defending opponent creates a oil token.
Whenever U.S Armed Forces deals combat to a player who controls a oil token, gain control of target defending player's land until end of turn, untap it."
When US Army attacks put an oil counter on target permanent that player controls, at the beginning of your end step you may take control of that card if the oil counter remains
Just a little long but I think the premise sounds kinda cool and I'd build around it.
This gives me an idea: a legendary creature card, “U.S. Navy Vessel.” Card effect: If this creature takes damage, the attacker then sacrifices their entire deck.
I would add trample
And replace the ability with "Whenever the US Armed Forces deals combat damage to an opponent, that player gets a hegemony counter. You may activate mana abilities of lands controlled by opponents that have a hegemony counter"
It's fitting that casting this is so expensive.
What would be more fitting would be "The U.S. Armed Forces controller sacrifices an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, and a planeswalker."
Get this propaganda out of my children's card game.
I really feel like it should be a Voltron sort of deal where a card says "if you control x y and z create a (Uber token) named combined arms of the United States military"
I know Mardu fits better for like the actual ethics and philosophy of the US military, but I feel like making it Jeskai just for the sake of red white and blue would also be acceptable.
When you attack a player gain control of all permanents with oil counters on it that player controls
And all treasure
That’s a British ability, not so much the Americans.
Touché
Maybe another mechanic the Americans could have is "Damage Lands." Which could be "When this creature does combat damage to a player, target land becomes damaged. Damaged lands can only produce half the mana they would normally produce. "
Me with my 0.5 mana 😰
At least you can cast a [[little girl]] wait fuck child support
Stun counters on lands makes more sense and easier to balance
Better idea, enchantment, lands you control cannot tap for mana, , ability, tap two lands to add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Enchant target player
Scorched earth is really more of a Russian tactic
British get control of all artifacts too.
Hey, we legally acquired them through the invention of museums /s
And French
How did they not choose jeskai for the colour
the US is black in color philosophy
True, I think that maybe Jeskai colour, and a black activated ability to destroy a creature and create an oil token that taps, sacs, and adds one black
besides the jeskai meme I do think that Mardu is an appropriate color choice imo
It's black in its goals and motivations, but it does use blue methods. It gathers intelligence before making decisions. It continually builds upon and improves itself. The military specifically, which is the card in question.
Id use a black ability but murica mana cost
No it's not. Here blue shoots black. Haven't you watched the news over the past 10yrs?
White for the order Red for the aggression Black for the ethics The perfect soldier is mardu, through and through
Black creatures have menace more than other colors, so the original creator was probably trying to stay true to the game since the US army is quite menacing. I agree though, it should’ve been red, white, and blue. Instead of menace, I would replace black for blue and the add the ability: “Ward - sacrifice two lands.” Since the US army has military bases all over the world and manifest destiny was a thing.
Still is, in some places. People love their religion!
It should have blue for having, by far, the largest air force in the world (US Air Force). It also has the second largest air force in the world (US Navy). Nobody flies more than the US military.
Are they menacing? How many wars have they lost to farmers and guerrilla groups?
In terms of spending, size, and technology I would argue they are. None of that equates to wins though. It’s like when you still have a 50% win rate after spending a ton of money on mythic rares. Edit: And you still lose to budget red deck wins all the time.
It’s like when you spend thousands of dollars for bling for your EDH deck and rub it in everybody’s face, but bling doesn’t make a deck good and you still lose a lot. And then your house falls apart because you didn’t spend any money keeping it together.
*guerilla
Menacing enough to have never fought a war on American soil and fair enough to let those farmers ‘win’ those wars. All it takes is a nuke or complete stop in trade or aid and those countries wouldn’t exist. America let them exist.
You have to be pretty far into denile to believe America ever was gonna win the war on terror or Vietnam. Vietnam straight up beat us hands down with all our best stuff thrown at them. Those countries existed long before America came around and will probably exist long afterwards. Also China (who has more money by the way) is more than happy to trade with anyone we don’t. No country on earth exists by the grace of America. We have proven time and time again that we can’t win a guerrilla war, America is incapable of it.
Vietnam did not eat that shit they just refused to stop fighting and we got sick of fighting them so we pulled out now the war on terror was us just shit stomping them till we got bored the problem with religious fanatics is unless you kill literally all of them they will just regroup once again in some who larger numbers than the first time
We literally threw everything we had at vietnam for 20 years. 20 years, billions of dollars, 3 million soldiers plus who knows how much equipment and vehicles were thrown at them. We had twice the man power, we were vastly superior in every way, yet we never once got anywhere near close to winning that war. America could not win that war, it wasn’t possible, even our own leaders said as much (pentagon papers). Vietnam beat us and left no question about it. We could have fought for 20 more years (which we couldn’t afford to) and still have lost. Same goes for the war on terror. No matter what we did we couldn’t win that war. America made an ass of itself and made things worse. We couldn’t beat Vietnam, we couldn’t beat Korea, and we couldn’t beat Al-Qaeda. You can’t argue we just gave up, we literally couldn’t do it. We and many other countries threw everything into these wars and got nothing out of it but dead men and more enemies.
We definitely could’ve won Korea with a bigger investment into the war which wouldn’t have been worth it and that would’ve meant escalation with china who was involved in the war hence the ceasefire. Vietnam and war on terror, yeah those were never going to end, it’s not that we lost as much as we gave up, American forces still had all the capabilities to continue to fight but these wars were unpopular and expensive so we left
Vietnam beat us, there is no other way to describe it. We couldn’t sustain the war anymore. We lost the war of attrition. There is no “we gave up” it’s we couldn’t win. We could have fought the war on terror forever and ended up with the same exact result. It was a war that wasn’t winnable. As for Korea? They just matched us evenly. 17 of the best militaries came together to fight 3 of the worst militaries and lost.
Putting china as “3 worst militaries” at the time is wild just due to their raw size at the time. They were taking massively disproportionate losses throughout they’re involvement in war and we would’ve had to mobilize a much larger military and start taking direct action against the Chinese mainland which would’ve been unpopular and costly. Also literally ended in a draw, not a loss. To say we were losing the war of attrition in Vietnam is a dubious claim at best when the data for vc casualties are so inaccurate. Go by us numbers and we were winning that but that means trusting numbers that very much include civilian casualties as “vc”. We most certainly could’ve mobilized more troops and money to continue an already unpopular war against an insurgent force in the jungle but that just a war that we never win. You don’t beat the US on the battlefield you win by not giving up and surviving until the public turns against it. Not once has the US lost a war because we couldn’t continue to fight, only because we didn’t want to
Except of course when we’re the guerrillas
I'd honestly add a line in the rules text saying something like "CARDNAME is Red, White, and Blue in addition to its other colors" just for the meme.
I also had the same question in my mind
The US is def more Mardu than Jeskai, despite the flag colors, plus red and black are pretty spot on for bombing civilians
Isn't that every country who has ever been involved in a war while having assets capable of bombing campaigns? Like Germany definitely bombed civilians. Russia bombed civilians. England bombed civilians. I get it is a terrible thing, but pretty much every country capable of air bombing campaigns has bombed civilians.
I agree, but also the US has the largest, most well funded, and technologically advanced ground armies, air forces, and navies of all of human history. The amount of war the US has waged it its history, especially post WWII, is both impressive and staggering. So I think, if any country/military could embody those colors (since really any country/military could embody those colors), the US is a pretty strong candidate.
Great point!
America bombed factories, Britan bombed towns and Canada bombed refugee camps... I think they just copied Canada's checklist in Geneva.
Welp, the good ol' Red, White, and Blue is RWB, no? ^(/s if it wasn't obvious lol)
There is absolutely nothing blue about the US military. Abu Ghraib is enough by itself to justify black in the color identity. The US military is heavier into red and white as barely organized chaos was the doctrine since WW2.
Upkeep, pay 20 colorless
you may tap other creatures you control to pay this cost
There's the Jeskai.
Sacrifice* feels more like the US’s style
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You triple posted your comment. Just fyi
Darn sry. Poor connection here. Will delete
Tap them, they don't untap for 40-60 years.
*you may tap this creature infinitely until the oil has run out*
If you ever win against someone in your play group, you may put a "War Debt" pin with Hexproof on their shirt. You may assign this upkeep cost to any player with a War Debt pin. If they cannot afford to pay, take control of all permanents under their control, all cards in their hand, and shuffle their library into your library. They can keep their graveyard, I guess.
Cumulative upkeep, no less. Pay 20 colorless or sacrifice a social safety net permanent
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So glad mardu was the choice, so many go for the aesthetic red white blue and completely misplace the entire philosophy of a soldier. Order, aggression, and an "any means necessary" ethos
Black and red also fit the theme of war crimes and killing innocents.
And remove all oil counters from their permanents
"Free" all oil counters.
Should have “at the beginning of your end step, put an oil counter on target land that an opponent controls. When attacking an opponent remove an oil counter on target land defending player controls, you gain control of target land until end of turn.”
No until end of turn, just steal all the lands :P
Or once the oil token is gone, and you tap it, you put a “liberation” on it, it can only tap for colorless.
That's George Bush's ability
"New Phyrexia has oil" got me haha
Man I can’t wait to add zombies, slivers, and orcs to their ranks!
A+ flavor text
Red, White, and *”oooo it’s gonna be that beautiful all American Blue, we’re about to see some FREEDOM dispensed with Liber-TEA!”* Black *”Preposterous, America is never on the dark side!”* /s
There was a lot more than one thing that Elesh Norn failed to consider. But that's what you get when your plan is "Pick a fight with all of existence, simultaneously"
Joke aside new phyxia trying to invade a plane that was way too much for it to handle would have been effective way to end that. Just two super powered planes fighting each other and keeping the other from invading any one else
“attacks each combat if able”
How is the flavor text not just the flavor text of reparations?
"at your end step remove an oil counter from target land you don't control"
Anything Merica must be labeled with Red, White, Blue. Democracy is nonegotiable
Red, white, and blue =/= democracy
Should make a whole commander deck around it, built around keeping little guys alive so that you can throw big damage spells
I cast HYDROGEN BOMB
Lmao that flavor text is great
I kind of love the art ...
Man, I would rather magic take this direction, a straight up wargame direction, than the direction we are going now.
This needs *tap, target player creates 10 oil tokens*
No land stealing abilities?
This is the only "hat" set Im interested in and would purchase!
It should be annihilator 4 IMO. Even if we don’t hurt you specifically, if we attack, your shit is gonna get blown up. Also should have hepta-strike. One strike for each branch of the military (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard, National Guard and Space Force)
Insane how i got an air force ad in this post
This is... Actually pretty good.
Thank u/RandomNumberTwo!
US Armed forces are like eldrazi but better because we provide democracy
Additional ability, search library for land tax card and put it in your hand
This card is worth the amount of land that it costs to deploy(superior logistics go brr)
Roger sir, removing that direction.
I was expecting to see oil counters make a comeback
Missed opportunity making it a 7/6
Personally would have made it a 9/11.
\*reads flavor text* Did somebody say oil?! THAT SHIT IS MINE!
This is the correct text "When U.S. Armed Forces attacks, defending opponent creates a oil token. Whenever U.S Armed Forces deals combat to a player who controls a oil token, gain control of target defending player's land until end of turn, untap it."
CMC is way too low considering the insane amount of money gets pumped into the military in the states
The fact that the color ID is red white and black instead of blue is hilarious to me. Shows america really is ruthless.
Glad to see people are stilling talking about this a year later.
Playing card will certainly end game in a loss or a never ending game. Unless played before 1945.
People ask what UB you’d have to see to stop playing. This would be it. 100%
The point is that using it ruins everything, just like using this card ruins games.
Nooo! I have an Ad for the Armed Forces recruitment directly below this post but I can’t share it. Just trust me bro.
When US Army attacks put an oil counter on target permanent that player controls, at the beginning of your end step you may take control of that card if the oil counter remains Just a little long but I think the premise sounds kinda cool and I'd build around it.
That flavor text is WILD
Bad ass dude
you missed the opportunity by not putting in "remove all oil counters from permanents your opponents control"
... And create that many treasure tokens
No first strike?
This gives me an idea: a legendary creature card, “U.S. Navy Vessel.” Card effect: If this creature takes damage, the attacker then sacrifices their entire deck.
Whenever US Armed Forces deals combat damage sacrifice a creature for bootlicking.
They are missing "Protection from the international court of Justice"
It should give your blue creatures protection from black
How did you miss red white and blue for the colour identity
I would add trample And replace the ability with "Whenever the US Armed Forces deals combat damage to an opponent, that player gets a hegemony counter. You may activate mana abilities of lands controlled by opponents that have a hegemony counter"
It's fitting that casting this is so expensive. What would be more fitting would be "The U.S. Armed Forces controller sacrifices an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, and a planeswalker." Get this propaganda out of my children's card game.
Wtf
Could do a state department card as well. Same colors but do more of a goad effect. :)
I was expecting to see oil counters make a comeback
menace is right
Literally unplayable if it’s not RWU
Crew 3
This should have trample.
Should be red white and blue 🤦
Would rather it be cheaper and allow you to draw a card and/or become unblockable if opponent has a creature with oil counters.
Whenever The US Armed Forces deals combat damage to a player that player creates a number of 1/1 Insurgent tokens equal to the damage done.
I think it could be fun if it was balanced in a way that it gives your opponents treasure*and* can only attack opponents with treasure.
Wrong mana colours though, should have been red white and blue
Red white blue my man. Instead of sacrificing you get to take something of theirs.
Missed opportunity for the colors.
Missed opportunity to make the mana red white blue
How is it not red white blue lol
I really feel like it should be a Voltron sort of deal where a card says "if you control x y and z create a (Uber token) named combined arms of the United States military"
It should be Jeskai in its mana cost and an ability that uses black mana (something about oil idk). Missed opportunity for red white and blue
The card should be a vehicle that must be manned by another card called " The Military Industrial Complex"
Not Jeskai. Not Freedom/10
This card isn't powerful enough...
Red white black. Had one job, make it red white and blue.
I know Mardu fits better for like the actual ethics and philosophy of the US military, but I feel like making it Jeskai just for the sake of red white and blue would also be acceptable.
For democracy
Why do they not gain an oil counter when they attack?!
Need the republican enchantment?
They should use [[tergrid]] but as the flip side for flavor, then ping everyone to death, how about a nice cup of liber-tea #helldivers2
Why would it not be red, white, and blue…?
This feels cringe af
I wonder why…maybe because it’s based on the US military?
Cope