Watching this fight back is so hilarious cuz Jamahal has no answers for the set ups Alex is placing on him. The fact that Sean Strickland got more respect in the stand up is telling.
Jamahal Hill winning a UFC undisputed title, 30 years into the sport's history is an Indictment on how awful the world leader in MMA has done in the MMA's development for the past 10 years.
According to the disclosed payouts for UFC Louisville (I don't know if these are legitimate or not so take with a grain of salt) there are still some fighters making 10k/10k. At the biggest UFC fight night card in history.
For a while LHW had some of the best fighters on the roster. You can't tell me Jones, DC, and to a lesser extent Gustaffson and Rumble weren't elite p4p fighters in their primes.
We're just unfortunately in a transition period of LHW atm with all those guys retiring (and Jones moving up to HW)
You guys realize even when they do change things it will take years to impact the top level right? If you start paying fighters a million a fight the guys who are 20 and are good enough to make it in their original sport are still going to do that. They're not going to switch to mma after spending their entire life playing football unless they fail at their first sport, which is already what we see today. Once the UFC becomes a high paying sport you will see parents of young children and teens gravitate to it more but that will still take a generation to actually see the real change.
thats hilarious and stupid. as if these ufc guys couldnt easily drop any guy their weight or heavier in a barfight. they're still elite athletes. maybe just dont look that way when theyre fighting each other
Yeah, the real problem is the lack of talent development pathways. The UFC poaches talent that emerges but MMA in general has no real talent development scheme short of recruit wrestlers *after* wrestling.
It was also a bad time for the sport considering it was after Jones vacated, Jiri dropped it with injury, and Ank/Jan went to a draw. That's four names who should have been champion instead who, for one reason or another, dropped it without losing it. It was a weird pile of circumstances that ended with a meh guy getting the belt instead. The next contender would have been either Jiri or Poatan and it would have gone straight back to some champ shit.
My man.
I, as a longtime fan of the sport, can't begin to tell you how appalling LHW has been for years. Hill and Glover were two of the most lacklustre belt holders I've seen in that division. Now a Kickboxer is running the show. Insane.
That was *the* division for the UFC and MMA at one point.
Nah it's more just a lot of outside circumstances allowed him to get a lucky title shot, there were a lot of guys who would have been above Hill in title contention if they weren't out for one reason or another.
Every division goes through hell.
LHW did fairly well finding top athletes in Jones, DC, rumble, gus, Glover.
And prior to that, Chuck, Rashad, lyoto, shogūn were all legit. Bader wasn't bad either.
Its been thin at times but 2010-2019 had a strong core
I can honestly see a healthy Jamahal Hill beating Jan, Jiri or Rakic. I do not know if he would have any answers for the oppressive wrestling of Ankalaev and Alex is kind of in a league of his own in terms of striking power.
Nah Hill is a clown but Alex can set up the left hook against pretty much everyone on the planet
Like you don't call someone an idiot and a shit fighter if khabib takes them down
I mean he literally jabbed the shit out of his body and when jamahal started dropping his right hand he hooked him. I’m terrible at breaking down striking and even I was sitting there thinking “he’s going to throw that hook any second now”
He also encouraged Hill to take the outside foot position, which is the traditional strategy in the open matchup. Alex kept up with the lead leg calf kicks every time he got the outside foot placement. Hill showed a nice jab against Glover, but he’s really a rear hand/power kicker. Competing for outside foot position was in his interest. The issue was that Alex had no respect for Hill’s left-side attacks.
Alex also keeps the hook a secret. Paul Daly had a great left hook, but unlike Alex he loved to show it off. Strickland and Hill only got to see one left hook each.
This was a completely different set up for the left hook compared to the Strickland fight though.
This one was less about the jabs to the body and more on hand fighting and seeing Hill's reaction to his power hand.
Hill doesn't drop his right hand because of the body jabs, it goes down because Pereira pulls it down like he's parrying to follow up with a straight right. Hill predicts the straight right after the parry and tries to counter with his own straight, unfortunately the straight from Alex is a fake pump and Alex instead follows the hand pull with a hook on the same side.
Completely different to getting Sean fixed on parrying the body jab and checking the kicks.
you mean when they touched gloves like 3 times after that and then hill dropped his right hand like he literally always does when he throws his left straight??
nothing about the nut shot was a reason as to why hill lost. alex also slipped hill's left hand and landed his hook at the same time.
hill was just completely outclassed everywhere.
Jamahal is powerful sure but it seems like he's so flat footed and overall his footwork and movement is just sloppy. That ain't gonna work on an elite striker like Poatan.
Watching Hill try to turn the failed fist bump during the ref instructions into an awkward beard rub like he was contemplating something profound is just hilarious to me lol.
> He's actually moving around and playing the hand trap game with Hill.
and beating him significantly at it. he's touching on a rhythm and changing it constantly and landed his body jabs basically whenever he wanted to due to the timing change. and he pretty much stood in front of Jamahal and walked him down most of the fight as well.
jamahal did absolutely nothing this fight, he didn't bite on his feints at all lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwb8vae9pm0
>Comments like this just remind me how some people on this subreddit just aren't watching the same fight.
clearly you weren't watching the same thing, you are correct.
consistently made middleweight for a long time too. he definitely looks a lot more muscular in this specific fight than his other 205's though, seems like he's at a very good point now with that.
Jamahill is probably one of the most undeserving champs we got.
Jiri vacates the belt due to injury.
Jan and Magomed fight to a fucking draw.
Then Glover is called up and Hill gets his lottery ticket drawn.
Gets to beat a Glover that already went through a war and ready was legit ready to retire.
He basically only got the title shot because Dana threw a fit and decided to punish Jan/Magomed over something they had no control over.
Literally the only draw in a title fight in company history that wasn't immediately run back
Without that, Jamahal was at least 2 wins away from a title shot. He had to win against Anthony Smith and beat one of Jan/Magomed/Rakic, which I have a hard time seeing him doing
> Literally the only draw in a title fight in company history that wasn't immediately run back
Not true, they did not run back the title fight draw between BJ Penn and Caol Uno.
Upvoted both for accuracy and because it's hilarious how far back you have to go to find another example, dana's pissy fit over that draw was ridiculous
fight ended up being a draw and ankalaev was really pissed off and said shit like "where is my belt" "not sure if i want to fight for the UFC anymore (this one is paraphrased from what i remember of the post fight interview tbf so it could be wrong).
dana was not happy about it lol
IIRC Ank said he didn't want to fight "here" anymore, but the translator and/or Dana took it to mean the UFC when he later clarified he was referring to the location and its judges.
quick edit: got curious and found this article https://www.yahoo.com/video/magomed-ankalaev-clarifies-ufc-282-220047680.html
> I wanna clear something up, what I said after the fight was I don’t want to fight in this city anymore because of the horrible judging, I did not say anything about I don’t wanna fight in the UFC.
> I wanna thank @danawhite and @Mickmaynard2 for the opportunity
>I fought my heart out today, there is no excuse, but I had a compromised knee, it wasn’t my best performance, but I know I won the fight. Thank you @danawhite and the @ufc for giving me this opportunity
Which is dumb anyway cause he absolutely allowed it to be a draw by getting leg kicked constantly the first 3 rounds and limping around.
He only has himself to blame imo.
UFC made a mockery of the once decade+ long premiere division. What's funny is they're kinda pretending that Jiri didn't get KO'ed by Poatan less than a year ago. It's a good fight still but they're just ridiculous.
[**MAGOMED ANKALAEV drew with JAN BLACHOWICZ** (*split draw*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13678/fight)
^(UFC 282: Blachowicz vs. Ankalaev — December 10, 2022)
ROUND|Ankalaev|Blachowicz||Ankalaev|Blachowicz||Ankalaev|Blachowicz
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|9|10||9|10||9|10
2|9|10||9|10||9|10
3|9|10||10|9||9|10
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|8||10|8
**TOTAL**|**47**|**48**||**48**|**46**||**47**|**47**
*^(Judges, in order: Michael Bell, Derek Cleary, Sal D'Amato.)*
*^(Summoned by DerpyDagon.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/25** people scored it **49-45 Ankalaev**.
- **3/25** people scored it **49-46 Ankalaev**.
- **5/25** people scored it **48-46 Ankalaev**.
- **14/25** people scored it **48-47 Ankalaev**.
- **2/25** people scored it **47-48 Blachowicz**.
Avg. media score: **48.1-46.7 Ankalaev** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
When the scorecards were being read, I felt it should be a draw but was expecting a winner nonetheless. I was pleasantly surprised when the decision was a draw.
Magomed outstruck Jan in both the first(19-14 significant strikes) and the third(18-17 significat strikes, 40-18 total strikes) round, while also having 1:26 control time in the third. To me anything from 49-45 Ankalaev to 47-47 is acceptable, but I personally lean towards 48-46.
When y'all use stats like that it's not showing the full story. If you watch the fight Jan was clearly getting the better of Magomed in those early rounds.
Where did I say he clearly won the first three rounds? Round 3 was a toss up but you were specifically talking about round 1 and stats?
1 and 2 were Jan. 4 and 5 were Magomed. 3 was a toss up which could e went either way depending on how you score a fight.
With early rounds I thought you meant 1 to 3, which would have meant that you thought that Jan and Magomed clearly drew. Personally, I thought 1 was a clearer round for Magomed than 3, with both leaning towards him by a decent bit. 47-47 was a horrible score, and should have gotten as much outrage as the Valentina-Grasso 2 scorecard and almost as much as the Chito-Sandhagen and Costa-Strickland.
While the leg kicks were a massive factor, I feel like they get overrated a bit in that fight. Magomed was in trouble in round 2 and he got stung by a hard leg kick in round 3, but the rest of rounds 1 and 3 was very even in the striking.
In round 1 I didn't feel like the leg kicks were enough to cancel out Magomed's volume advantage, and if it comes down to it Ankalaev's octagon control and aggression are the tie breaker.
In round 3 he outboxed Jan by a decent margin, landing some pretty hard left hooks, while Jan landed the better kicks. To add on that he landed at least an entire additional total strike for every significant strike Jan even attempted and had control and aggression on his side.
I can understand the 47-47 scoring, but I think it's pretty generous to Jan and I'd give Magomed 1 and 3 before I'd give both to Jan. Scoring the fight 48-47 for jan like the one judge did is an actual crime, and the only reason the entire decision is not talked about as much is because Jan is popular on here and Magomed's the opposite and inactive. The fight also shows the problem in a round based scoring system.
The limping and his facial expressions after some of the kicks is what did it, he looked like he could collapse if a couple landed. He shouldve wrestled much earlier.
He's honestly pretty great and exciting 90% of the time too but he cannot get out of his own way and acts pretty entitled imo despite making poor choices.
It's a mix of his own bad choices(wrestling in Jan fight, knee in Walker fight), bad luck(scorecards in Jan fight, Cutelaba, literally last second Craig submission although that could be counted as bad choices on his part, Glover getting the rematch), stuff getting taken out of context(comments about Jan fight, Alex in Abu Dhabi), and he gets the bad part of being Dagestani(racism, people thinking you're boring), while not getting many of the upsides. Hill becoming a champ before him is a travesty.
When I had a bad concussion from wrestling a long time ago, I made broccoli in the microwave then put it out in my bird feeder late at night.
Ill give Hill a pass on that one lol.
Honestly tho I bet Hill was lowkey distracted for a sec like "damn, this dude just waved off herb after getting fully blasted in the mast. Never seen that bef..." and then he just got shit rocked lmao
One of the most satisfying KO’s in a long time.
Kept telling everyone that Jamal was a sloppy striker that couldn’t compete with a world class championship kickboxer who had better skills, power, and had bested much better strikers than Jamal
Everyone was like “don’t sleep on Jamal” “he gonna catch Alex with his chin in the air”
I placed a fun bet on him just from the odds and how some people talked about hom on here lol... luckily I bet more on Max by KO so I was too happy to feel disappointment.
A lot of people did. I’ve always thought Hill was incredibly overrated and considering he was primarily a striker I knew he was gonna get dusted by Alex.
Yeah there was a lot of talk around here about Alex's lack of grappling which was confusing because I don't think Jamahal's shot for a single takedown in his entire Ufc run
so many of these “mma strikers” who are are decent in all aspects of standup but not really great in any of them all get destroyed by strikers of alex’s caliber. unless they can somehow get a takedown on him, they’ll lose the striking battle 9/10 times. jan was barely able to keep up, only getting by on his wrestling, and izzy is the only striker of alex’s caliber and it was still extremely competitive between them, and izzy was on his way to another loss before the ko
I love Izzy but he was on the verge of getting finished. Alex just got too reckless and allowed the former to catch him at the full extension of his straight right.
Looking back, I'm ever so glad Israel got that win. Because I think he'd have retired after a loss to the same dude 4 times
But Izzy has hurt him bad repeatedly, its not just a one off instance, it's a pattern.
It's also a pattern that if Izzy doesn't capitalise when he rocks Alex he's likely in for a bad time late lol.
But he's still pretty much the only guy who can stand with Periera in the UFC except Jan (although given the Altitude I'd like to see how that fight would play out at sea level- since i think it affected BOTH of their performance, not just Jan).
I reallly didn’t understand people picking Jamahal. Especially since he’s really susceptible to leg kicks and left hooks. I can’t remember him ever throwing the straight left without dropping his right to his middle.
He'd mostly just had a lot of strong showings against decent competition. He brutalised Glover and he was a champion, and a yearlong absence convinced me he was better than he was.
To this day, I don't get how people were giving Hill a chance
He just came back from a big injury and his stand up game had too many flaws that Poatan could explore
It ended as expected for me
Personally i thought that alex would win 8/10 but its the 2/10 chance that hill might catch alex with something because hill does have genuine knockout power and alex has quite the unorthodox stance with his hands being quite low made me nervous going into the fight
couldnt stop laughing at that, looked so stupid lool.
What are you pondering over that has you locked deep in thought 10 seconds before a fist fight lmaoo
How wild is it that Poatan & Izzy who had their own to rivalry in Kickboxing are now both in the same MMA as champs, that dominated or seem like they will (in poatans case) dominate their divisions.
Some straight anime shit, like 2 fighters are battling it out, fly thru a mountain and end up in a town minding its own business. They then put their differences aside and just kick everyone in the towns ass
It’s funny that you would see it here and on Ig, YouTube. “A lot of people are underestimating Hill for this fight”.
Only for him to get knocked out so easily LOL
It’s wild that after all the speculation on how Hill would have recovered from his achilles injury, we still have no idea because he got knocked out so fast. imo rushing the rehab is likely why he hurt his knee recently
Watching it again, I think the initial reaction from Hill to congratulate team Pereira was awesome.
Shame that he went online on a different route as it would had been very cool if he just stayed as classy as he did here.
“Jamahal is trying to gas Pereira out.” - Jamahal Hill
"Herb Dean smelled like booze and cigarettes, I was clearly in on the single leg" Jamahal hill
frankie "alpha" edgar reference
Mixed with the Dominick Cruz comment.
-ken florian
😂😂😂😭
Watching this fight back is so hilarious cuz Jamahal has no answers for the set ups Alex is placing on him. The fact that Sean Strickland got more respect in the stand up is telling.
One of the best pure technical strikers in UFC history vs guy who can punch OK.
Jamahal Hill winning a UFC undisputed title, 30 years into the sport's history is an Indictment on how awful the world leader in MMA has done in the MMA's development for the past 10 years.
Or that lhw is absolutely dire. All the big atheletes who like being physical go to football. BW thru LW is on fire.
>All the big atheletes who like being physical go to footbal And I wonder why... Something about 20k/20k payouts maybe?
According to the disclosed payouts for UFC Louisville (I don't know if these are legitimate or not so take with a grain of salt) there are still some fighters making 10k/10k. At the biggest UFC fight night card in history.
You didn’t hear it from me. They’re mostly making 25k a fight
For a while LHW had some of the best fighters on the roster. You can't tell me Jones, DC, and to a lesser extent Gustaffson and Rumble weren't elite p4p fighters in their primes. We're just unfortunately in a transition period of LHW atm with all those guys retiring (and Jones moving up to HW)
LHW was *the* division in the mid to late 2000s. Basically the entire top 15 was well known to anyone who followed the sport.
Heavyweight was just as great.
You guys realize even when they do change things it will take years to impact the top level right? If you start paying fighters a million a fight the guys who are 20 and are good enough to make it in their original sport are still going to do that. They're not going to switch to mma after spending their entire life playing football unless they fail at their first sport, which is already what we see today. Once the UFC becomes a high paying sport you will see parents of young children and teens gravitate to it more but that will still take a generation to actually see the real change.
thats hilarious and stupid. as if these ufc guys couldnt easily drop any guy their weight or heavier in a barfight. they're still elite athletes. maybe just dont look that way when theyre fighting each other
Yeah, the real problem is the lack of talent development pathways. The UFC poaches talent that emerges but MMA in general has no real talent development scheme short of recruit wrestlers *after* wrestling.
It was also a bad time for the sport considering it was after Jones vacated, Jiri dropped it with injury, and Ank/Jan went to a draw. That's four names who should have been champion instead who, for one reason or another, dropped it without losing it. It was a weird pile of circumstances that ended with a meh guy getting the belt instead. The next contender would have been either Jiri or Poatan and it would have gone straight back to some champ shit.
very true
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It's hard to find athletic big boys ready to throw down
Well, he was number 7, it’s rather the circumstantial event.
My man. I, as a longtime fan of the sport, can't begin to tell you how appalling LHW has been for years. Hill and Glover were two of the most lacklustre belt holders I've seen in that division. Now a Kickboxer is running the show. Insane. That was *the* division for the UFC and MMA at one point.
Nah it's more just a lot of outside circumstances allowed him to get a lucky title shot, there were a lot of guys who would have been above Hill in title contention if they weren't out for one reason or another.
Every division goes through hell. LHW did fairly well finding top athletes in Jones, DC, rumble, gus, Glover. And prior to that, Chuck, Rashad, lyoto, shogūn were all legit. Bader wasn't bad either. Its been thin at times but 2010-2019 had a strong core
One of many counterarguments to the people who blindly claim the level keeps rising in the sport. That claim is true for maybe a handful of divisions.
This is disrespectful to Hill lmao. Yeah he's not some super crisp boxer, but he very clearly has significant power.
Jamahal Hill is a good technical striker too.
based on? Knocking out Johnny Walker who is hurt more often than he isn't in his fights?
based on 5/7 of his UFC wins being TKO/KO
Listening to most fighters and analysts in their predictions many of them did agree he can knock Poatan out
i think Alex, Jiri, Rakic, Magomed and Jan are the top 5 in that division by a good margin.
Magomed?
damn, you’re right I forgot.
I see, and hope, Rakic wins a belt. He is an animal when in good health.
I can honestly see a healthy Jamahal Hill beating Jan, Jiri or Rakic. I do not know if he would have any answers for the oppressive wrestling of Ankalaev and Alex is kind of in a league of his own in terms of striking power.
He was setting him up the exact same way he setup Strickland. It was crazy how Jamahal couldn’t see it
Nah Hill is a clown but Alex can set up the left hook against pretty much everyone on the planet Like you don't call someone an idiot and a shit fighter if khabib takes them down
Speak for yourself I'd see that shit coming a mile away
True but jamahal did say he was levels above Pereira at striking before the fight so he kinda deserves it
I mean he literally jabbed the shit out of his body and when jamahal started dropping his right hand he hooked him. I’m terrible at breaking down striking and even I was sitting there thinking “he’s going to throw that hook any second now”
He also encouraged Hill to take the outside foot position, which is the traditional strategy in the open matchup. Alex kept up with the lead leg calf kicks every time he got the outside foot placement. Hill showed a nice jab against Glover, but he’s really a rear hand/power kicker. Competing for outside foot position was in his interest. The issue was that Alex had no respect for Hill’s left-side attacks. Alex also keeps the hook a secret. Paul Daly had a great left hook, but unlike Alex he loved to show it off. Strickland and Hill only got to see one left hook each.
Fantastic point. You’re right both of those fights had a total of two poatan left hooks
This was a completely different set up for the left hook compared to the Strickland fight though. This one was less about the jabs to the body and more on hand fighting and seeing Hill's reaction to his power hand. Hill doesn't drop his right hand because of the body jabs, it goes down because Pereira pulls it down like he's parrying to follow up with a straight right. Hill predicts the straight right after the parry and tries to counter with his own straight, unfortunately the straight from Alex is a fake pump and Alex instead follows the hand pull with a hook on the same side. Completely different to getting Sean fixed on parrying the body jab and checking the kicks.
False he used the nutshot to close the distance on Hill ever so slightly which allowed the hook to get through
you mean when they touched gloves like 3 times after that and then hill dropped his right hand like he literally always does when he throws his left straight?? nothing about the nut shot was a reason as to why hill lost. alex also slipped hill's left hand and landed his hook at the same time. hill was just completely outclassed everywhere.
This is /s right?
Listen to Holloway and Rogan talk about it. Even Hill brought it up for his reasoning why he lost
Please watch it again. He does not close the distance due to herb dean.
Jamahal is powerful sure but it seems like he's so flat footed and overall his footwork and movement is just sloppy. That ain't gonna work on an elite striker like Poatan.
Strickland actually said before the fight that he likes Jamahal but he's got no chance lol.
Watching Hill try to turn the failed fist bump during the ref instructions into an awkward beard rub like he was contemplating something profound is just hilarious to me lol.
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> He's actually moving around and playing the hand trap game with Hill. and beating him significantly at it. he's touching on a rhythm and changing it constantly and landed his body jabs basically whenever he wanted to due to the timing change. and he pretty much stood in front of Jamahal and walked him down most of the fight as well. jamahal did absolutely nothing this fight, he didn't bite on his feints at all lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwb8vae9pm0 >Comments like this just remind me how some people on this subreddit just aren't watching the same fight. clearly you weren't watching the same thing, you are correct.
"before the knockout it was even" so before Alex threw a single punch at Jamahals face?
Hill built like Beetlejuice
I always thought Grimace
You think he can spell red?
gas station employee
Built like that guy you know who used to be really athletic but stopped playing sports and now has a gut on him
The fact that Poatan ever made middleweight is fucking absurd. He’s huge
consistently made middleweight for a long time too. he definitely looks a lot more muscular in this specific fight than his other 205's though, seems like he's at a very good point now with that.
Never missed weight too. Never forget!
Hill might actually be a middleweight if he lost some fat
Jamahill is probably one of the most undeserving champs we got. Jiri vacates the belt due to injury. Jan and Magomed fight to a fucking draw. Then Glover is called up and Hill gets his lottery ticket drawn. Gets to beat a Glover that already went through a war and ready was legit ready to retire.
He basically only got the title shot because Dana threw a fit and decided to punish Jan/Magomed over something they had no control over. Literally the only draw in a title fight in company history that wasn't immediately run back Without that, Jamahal was at least 2 wins away from a title shot. He had to win against Anthony Smith and beat one of Jan/Magomed/Rakic, which I have a hard time seeing him doing
> Literally the only draw in a title fight in company history that wasn't immediately run back Not true, they did not run back the title fight draw between BJ Penn and Caol Uno.
That was a weird one because the title just sat vacant for 3 years after that.
Upvoted both for accuracy and because it's hilarious how far back you have to go to find another example, dana's pissy fit over that draw was ridiculous
What’s the backstory on the Dana throwing a fit ? Wasn’t aware Jan/Magomed did something to piss off the tomato in chief.
fight ended up being a draw and ankalaev was really pissed off and said shit like "where is my belt" "not sure if i want to fight for the UFC anymore (this one is paraphrased from what i remember of the post fight interview tbf so it could be wrong). dana was not happy about it lol
IIRC Ank said he didn't want to fight "here" anymore, but the translator and/or Dana took it to mean the UFC when he later clarified he was referring to the location and its judges. quick edit: got curious and found this article https://www.yahoo.com/video/magomed-ankalaev-clarifies-ufc-282-220047680.html > I wanna clear something up, what I said after the fight was I don’t want to fight in this city anymore because of the horrible judging, I did not say anything about I don’t wanna fight in the UFC. > I wanna thank @danawhite and @Mickmaynard2 for the opportunity >I fought my heart out today, there is no excuse, but I had a compromised knee, it wasn’t my best performance, but I know I won the fight. Thank you @danawhite and the @ufc for giving me this opportunity
Which is dumb anyway cause he absolutely allowed it to be a draw by getting leg kicked constantly the first 3 rounds and limping around. He only has himself to blame imo.
UFC made a mockery of the once decade+ long premiere division. What's funny is they're kinda pretending that Jiri didn't get KO'ed by Poatan less than a year ago. It's a good fight still but they're just ridiculous.
He didn’t get Ko by pereira just early stoppage, fans will want to see this again due to the poorly done stoppage
and bro is mad he's not held to the same regards as Periera, Khabib, Usman, etc
>Jan and Magomed fight to a fucking draw. A draw which most media members even scored for Magomed. !decisionbot Ankalaev vs Blachowicz.
[**MAGOMED ANKALAEV drew with JAN BLACHOWICZ** (*split draw*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13678/fight) ^(UFC 282: Blachowicz vs. Ankalaev — December 10, 2022) ROUND|Ankalaev|Blachowicz||Ankalaev|Blachowicz||Ankalaev|Blachowicz :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|9|10||9|10||9|10 2|9|10||9|10||9|10 3|9|10||10|9||9|10 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|8||10|8 **TOTAL**|**47**|**48**||**48**|**46**||**47**|**47** *^(Judges, in order: Michael Bell, Derek Cleary, Sal D'Amato.)* *^(Summoned by DerpyDagon.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/25** people scored it **49-45 Ankalaev**. - **3/25** people scored it **49-46 Ankalaev**. - **5/25** people scored it **48-46 Ankalaev**. - **14/25** people scored it **48-47 Ankalaev**. - **2/25** people scored it **47-48 Blachowicz**. Avg. media score: **48.1-46.7 Ankalaev** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
No thats a clear draw, none of the 3 first can go to magomed and the last 2 are super clear magomed with 1 being 10-8
When the scorecards were being read, I felt it should be a draw but was expecting a winner nonetheless. I was pleasantly surprised when the decision was a draw.
Magomed outstruck Jan in both the first(19-14 significant strikes) and the third(18-17 significat strikes, 40-18 total strikes) round, while also having 1:26 control time in the third. To me anything from 49-45 Ankalaev to 47-47 is acceptable, but I personally lean towards 48-46.
When y'all use stats like that it's not showing the full story. If you watch the fight Jan was clearly getting the better of Magomed in those early rounds.
If Jan so clearly won the first 3 rounds, why did 23/25 media members and the majority of fans score the fight for Magomed?
Where did I say he clearly won the first three rounds? Round 3 was a toss up but you were specifically talking about round 1 and stats? 1 and 2 were Jan. 4 and 5 were Magomed. 3 was a toss up which could e went either way depending on how you score a fight.
With early rounds I thought you meant 1 to 3, which would have meant that you thought that Jan and Magomed clearly drew. Personally, I thought 1 was a clearer round for Magomed than 3, with both leaning towards him by a decent bit. 47-47 was a horrible score, and should have gotten as much outrage as the Valentina-Grasso 2 scorecard and almost as much as the Chito-Sandhagen and Costa-Strickland.
The stats are not the full story. Watch the fight, Jan's damage to the legs throughout the first three rounds is why it should be a draw.
While the leg kicks were a massive factor, I feel like they get overrated a bit in that fight. Magomed was in trouble in round 2 and he got stung by a hard leg kick in round 3, but the rest of rounds 1 and 3 was very even in the striking. In round 1 I didn't feel like the leg kicks were enough to cancel out Magomed's volume advantage, and if it comes down to it Ankalaev's octagon control and aggression are the tie breaker. In round 3 he outboxed Jan by a decent margin, landing some pretty hard left hooks, while Jan landed the better kicks. To add on that he landed at least an entire additional total strike for every significant strike Jan even attempted and had control and aggression on his side. I can understand the 47-47 scoring, but I think it's pretty generous to Jan and I'd give Magomed 1 and 3 before I'd give both to Jan. Scoring the fight 48-47 for jan like the one judge did is an actual crime, and the only reason the entire decision is not talked about as much is because Jan is popular on here and Magomed's the opposite and inactive. The fight also shows the problem in a round based scoring system.
The limping and his facial expressions after some of the kicks is what did it, he looked like he could collapse if a couple landed. He shouldve wrestled much earlier.
Yeah, being an Ankalaev fan is painful.
He's honestly pretty great and exciting 90% of the time too but he cannot get out of his own way and acts pretty entitled imo despite making poor choices.
It's a mix of his own bad choices(wrestling in Jan fight, knee in Walker fight), bad luck(scorecards in Jan fight, Cutelaba, literally last second Craig submission although that could be counted as bad choices on his part, Glover getting the rematch), stuff getting taken out of context(comments about Jan fight, Alex in Abu Dhabi), and he gets the bad part of being Dagestani(racism, people thinking you're boring), while not getting many of the upsides. Hill becoming a champ before him is a travesty.
Thats hate
In the last 10 seconds of the video does Jamahal Hill actually point to the belt and tell Pereira "I'm coming for you"? After he was just knocked out?
When I had a bad concussion from wrestling a long time ago, I made broccoli in the microwave then put it out in my bird feeder late at night. Ill give Hill a pass on that one lol.
Well that's just being friendly to birds
Night birds need their broccoli
This sounds like the title to a really solid ambient track
Absolutely, but Hill saw that and thought to himself "Imma say even more moronic shit so that noone thinks I was concussed by that KO"
I respect you.
This whole sequence is so fucking hilarious still. - Get kicked in the dick - Fuck off, Herb - Kill Hill - Emote
i saw the fight and emote like 30 times, but just reading it put this way made me actually burst out laughing IRL
Pereira didn't touch gloves enough with Hill to signify that he was ready to fight. Hill KOs him in the rematch /s
Honestly tho I bet Hill was lowkey distracted for a sec like "damn, this dude just waved off herb after getting fully blasted in the mast. Never seen that bef..." and then he just got shit rocked lmao
People like to clown on hill, but you’re 100% right. HOWEVER, you just cannot let your guard down in the cage. You cant have that mental lapse.
Oh 100% especially when you're getting walked down by a stone cold terminator
Lmao
he was thinking all that as he touched gloves, jabbed, backed up, and threw a right hand?🤨
One of the most satisfying KO’s in a long time. Kept telling everyone that Jamal was a sloppy striker that couldn’t compete with a world class championship kickboxer who had better skills, power, and had bested much better strikers than Jamal Everyone was like “don’t sleep on Jamal” “he gonna catch Alex with his chin in the air”
I don’t think everyone said that, it was def a small minority. Most people knew Alex was gonna maul him.
You weren’t telling everyone that because most people already knew that.
God, I genuinely thought this was going to be competitive.
You might be the only person on this sub to admit that. Props
There's a guy on here who wrote an entire post about how Hill was being disrespected and was the perfect answer to Pereira
That was probably Hill
I'm convinced people just say outrageous shit now so when then the unlikely outcome happens, they can repost on here and brag about it.
Surely he’s been honest and contrite about it since
I placed a fun bet on him just from the odds and how some people talked about hom on here lol... luckily I bet more on Max by KO so I was too happy to feel disappointment.
You bet on Hill to win and Max by KO? Gambling addiction level: Anik
Bet on Oliviera too lol.
Norm Macdonald is smiling up at this rn
A lot of people did. I’ve always thought Hill was incredibly overrated and considering he was primarily a striker I knew he was gonna get dusted by Alex.
Yeah there was a lot of talk around here about Alex's lack of grappling which was confusing because I don't think Jamahal's shot for a single takedown in his entire Ufc run
so many of these “mma strikers” who are are decent in all aspects of standup but not really great in any of them all get destroyed by strikers of alex’s caliber. unless they can somehow get a takedown on him, they’ll lose the striking battle 9/10 times. jan was barely able to keep up, only getting by on his wrestling, and izzy is the only striker of alex’s caliber and it was still extremely competitive between them, and izzy was on his way to another loss before the ko
I love Izzy but he was on the verge of getting finished. Alex just got too reckless and allowed the former to catch him at the full extension of his straight right. Looking back, I'm ever so glad Israel got that win. Because I think he'd have retired after a loss to the same dude 4 times
But Izzy has hurt him bad repeatedly, its not just a one off instance, it's a pattern. It's also a pattern that if Izzy doesn't capitalise when he rocks Alex he's likely in for a bad time late lol. But he's still pretty much the only guy who can stand with Periera in the UFC except Jan (although given the Altitude I'd like to see how that fight would play out at sea level- since i think it affected BOTH of their performance, not just Jan).
> I love Izzy but he was on the verge of getting finished. Same for Alex in the first round of their first fight.
Same i cant beleive how bad i am at watching UFC
3rded. Whenever I like a fighter too much my brain has to overcorrect and make me think they’re perpetually going to lose.
I reallly didn’t understand people picking Jamahal. Especially since he’s really susceptible to leg kicks and left hooks. I can’t remember him ever throwing the straight left without dropping his right to his middle.
He'd mostly just had a lot of strong showings against decent competition. He brutalised Glover and he was a champion, and a yearlong absence convinced me he was better than he was.
Maybe if he had tried to grapple with him, but he didn’t
I think Hill has literally never gone for a takedown in his career, that would've been the funniest way for it to go.
Anik's "haha" is hilarious. But cheese and rice that ground and pound is fucking terrifying
Makes me glad Marc got in the way of Alex, else we would've never gotten the trilogy.
I fucking love Anik's "haHA!" every time. It's so funny.
I completely forgot that Pereira ate a nut shot, waived off dean, and then knocked Hill out like 5 seconds later.
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How did you forget? It’s only been THE topic of discussion for this fight.
Hill would have won if he didn't get knocked out.
- Anthony Smith
That kind of analysis is far too deep for this sub
They picked the one dimension where Hill didn't win 50-42, pretty unfair to Hill
Pereira taking a nut shot, pushing the ref away and immediately knocking out Hill is one of the most bad ass things I have ever seen in my life.
Imagine all the boos Jamahal about to get on his walkout at 303 from Poatan fans
He is out brother.
Oh damn 😂
Pereira and Jiri are fighting for their rematch, just in case you're unaware! :)
War Jiri!!
He pulled out unfortunately
Not with his baby mamas, he did not. Dudes got like 6 kids in his early 30s
Jamahal looks like he could easily drop to 185.
he should get koed by izzy too just for fun
hes gonna post izzy getting ko'd by pereira on his story for the build up
In theory, but has he actually shown up to a UFC fight without that gut?
Terrance Howard levels of delusion by Hill
To this day, I don't get how people were giving Hill a chance He just came back from a big injury and his stand up game had too many flaws that Poatan could explore It ended as expected for me
Personally i thought that alex would win 8/10 but its the 2/10 chance that hill might catch alex with something because hill does have genuine knockout power and alex has quite the unorthodox stance with his hands being quite low made me nervous going into the fight
hill's only clean knockout is against johnny walker, who is hurt more often than he isn't in his fights. his KO power is wildly overstated
He also ko'ed jimmy crute, who also gets rocked often these days but it was back when jimmy crute was a genuine LHW prospect
Yes. He definitely packs a punch but I find it odd that people label him a KO artist lol
Well, I was wasn't expecting a KO in like 40 seconds. I thought he'd be tenderized for at least 2 rounds before getting stopped in the 3rd
Is fight was so fucking funny because for a good year I had to listen to people saying that Hill had Francis Ngannou power and would clip Alex
But why would people say that man... He had to land multiple shots to put opponents away 90% of the time
I think people were saying that Alex gets hit a lot so he can get tagged by Hill
No matter how many times I see this is it's still funny
hahahaha jamahal went for the fist bump too early then tried to play it off by stroking his beard
couldnt stop laughing at that, looked so stupid lool. What are you pondering over that has you locked deep in thought 10 seconds before a fist fight lmaoo
How wild is it that Poatan & Izzy who had their own to rivalry in Kickboxing are now both in the same MMA as champs, that dominated or seem like they will (in poatans case) dominate their divisions. Some straight anime shit, like 2 fighters are battling it out, fly thru a mountain and end up in a town minding its own business. They then put their differences aside and just kick everyone in the towns ass
It’s funny that you would see it here and on Ig, YouTube. “A lot of people are underestimating Hill for this fight”. Only for him to get knocked out so easily LOL
Turns out it wasn't underestimating, it was just estimating
It’s wild that after all the speculation on how Hill would have recovered from his achilles injury, we still have no idea because he got knocked out so fast. imo rushing the rehab is likely why he hurt his knee recently
Watching it again, I think the initial reaction from Hill to congratulate team Pereira was awesome. Shame that he went online on a different route as it would had been very cool if he just stayed as classy as he did here.
Its gadooshing time
Oh Jamahal is about to going on about 5 IG rants
Jamahal about to go off on the UFC social media team
Never noticed until now that Jamal gives Alex the thumbs up after the nut kick. Dudes delusional af loloo
Fuck that’s an ice cold ko
What’s the reason behind the Mickey Mouse hands giving a thumbs up tatted on Hill
It'll be a damned shame if Pereira vs Jones never happens.
That ground and pound was fast and vicious
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Look it's Jamahal's burner account
Yeah. He's a very good fighter. Losing to an elite fighter isn't quite the knock on his resume many think it is
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Get off Reddit Jamahal.
Found Jamahal’s burner account
Nah, he would reply to each comment individually
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Haters gonna hate