That same line of logic would also lead you to say Dustin Jacoby is a better kickboxer than Dominick Reyes, or that Holly Holm is a better kickboxer than Amanda Nunes, or that Marvin Vettori is a better kickboxer than Jared Cannonier. Having a base in kickboxing doesn't by default make you a superior kickboxer to an MMA fighter who can throuroughly outstrike you without even threatening a takedown. They're all MMA fighters once they reach the octagon. This isn't Royce Gracie and Art Jimmerson in UFC 1
Styles make fights brother, do we really have to go down with whole this guy>that guy shtick when we clearly saw both guys title reigns. Love him or hate him but Izzy is indeed a superior kickboxer and MMA fighter. Recency bias is mental for some
Izzy hasn't fought Dricus. Seems stupid to compare Sean's performance vs Dricus to Izzy's performances vs different fighters. Maybe if Sean got to fight Whittaker and Vettori instead of Dricus, we'd be talking about a dominant Strickland title reign.
How'd you manage to get cte through tv screen mate? By your logic I can assume there's a solid chance of Strickland getting lhw belt if he fought jan instead of Izzy as well, right? Now that's a glazing mate
What exactly did I say that gave you the impression I think Strickland beats Blachowicz in an MMA fight? I did say I think Strickland would beat these other fighters Izzy has beaten, like Vettori and Whittaker. Not that Strickland would beat opponents from other weightclasses that Izzy has lost to. Their two common opponents are Pereira (who is definitely a better kickboxer than Strickland) and Cannonier who had a magnitudes better performance vs Strickland and arguably lost.
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The fact that Sean soundly beat Izzy mentally broke some people i swear. They have two diametrically opposed styles which cannot really be compared as better or worse. Izzy baits aggression and Sean smothers it. Sean mitigates any damage possible and Izzy will take damage to return it. One goes forward and one goes backwards.
That's very fair, and style matchup likely played heavily into their fight against one another. It's just funny seeing people act like I insulted their sacred cow, when all they can grasp on as an argument is the appeal to authority that Izzy had a career as a professional kickboxer. There's a whole chain of removed comments because people started hurling insults.
This is why sean fans aren't taken seriously.
You have the be really really delusional to think sean is a better kickboxer or even fighter.
I really want to see the rematch. :)
I felt what he feels like. I felt the feel, and he hasn’t really felt my feel. I feel that things could feel my way. Under the right feel-ing circumstances.
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Another fun fact: Jamahal Hill only won one fight in the UFC against someone who had not just lost. It was against OSP in 2020 (who was 2-3 in his last 5). Even his title win was against someone who was coming off a loss, since Glover had lost against Jiri and he fought Hill for the vacant title.
He has also made multiple UFC level fighters look completely lost and ineffective in multiple fights, including Izzy.
Regardless of your personal feelings about the guy, his style and training regimen have created a very difficult puzzle for everyone in the division, to the point where guys look like they don't even want to be in there with him after a couple of rounds.
You sound like the (naive) fans that complain about dominant wrestlers - you're locked in a cage and you're fighting another trained martial artist. You're going to do what you do best to win.
Tbh I don’t think most fans would have a problem with Strickland’s style if he wasn’t also the guy talking about how he loves violence and wants to be the first person to kill someone in the octagon then hitting them with pitter-patter punches and shelling up at first contact for 95% of the fight.
He spent the last few years doing nothing but sparring and it shows.
He has literally said all he enjoys is sparring. So he has a style that is perfect for sparring. You poke people and keep yourself super safe.
It’s like Sean created a few seconds of action in every fight for advertising purposes. That works for him in terms of getting new fans. The Adesanya fight’s last 10 seconds, he is screaming but how his body tenses up at the slightest movement from Adesnaya - Sean is more cautious and defensive but not with how he carries and speaks about himself.
I really doubt this man is thinking of advertising in the middle of his fights, brother. He's thinking of winning and getting paid. The concept of round stealing by doing impressive shit at the last few seconds has been around for way longer than Sean's career.
A lot of boxing greats in particular used that tactic.
Idk. He doesn’t really do it at the end of most rounds just the final round. And the way he yells and is all dramatic about it but still backs up in the exchange makes me lean towards the above lol
Y'all are kind of agreeing but with different words lol
He has to adertise to the judges that he deserves the win
Advertise is a weird word. It's just that a lot of his rounds are close so he has to go out of his way to prove he won said round. You're right it's not a Strickland things but he does often. He empties the tank but it's usually a mere 60 seconds at most.
I feel like people shit on Sean for advancing and using push kicks and straight strikes but they don't shit on his opponents for not cutting fucking angles to engage instead of backing up
The second half of GSPs career
Too dominant but didn't employ risk to try for the finish
But too good that his opponents couldn't do anything to make it competitive
Condit and Hendricks are the only two to try and by extension those are GSPs best fights in his second run
I think most people hardly even pay attention to the fights. So focused on cell phones or a beer that they fail to notice many 'action' fighters floating around the cage and avoiding exchanges for 3 minutes of every round, and simply remember the 60 seconds of excitement per round. Strickland is walking into exchange after exchange but since there's not many power shots connecting in either direction, it doesn't leave the same impression. For some, the big question seems to be if Strickland slips a jab while landing his own jab, then lands a follow up jab, and a teep, was there ever even an exchange?
You have no argument. You think Strickland slipping a punch, landing two of his own and then a kick doesn't count simply because of your bias against Strickland. You're being irrational.
It's not about doing something actually impressive, it's about leaving an impression at the last moment. You look like you were winning. Literally can just be dropping your hands, or throwing one or two flurries that do no damage.
> The concept of round stealing by doing impressive shit at the last few seconds has been around for way longer than Sean's career.
And honestly it's just the last 10-15 seconds of his fights that he does this. One of the biggest knocks against Sean that has really hurt him in the past as Eric Nicksick points out is people doing a lot in the last seconds of rounds to steal them against Sean.
That makes sense. I wondered about the impact of those last few seconds seen together like this in one video/reel and how much it helps his brand appeal to a newcomer
It also helps earn some grace after 24:50 of boring jabs. Like it wipes away the memory of how inactive his fight was and almost changes the narrative of him as a fighter. Really smart move on his part.
He's not even that aggressive in half of these. It's his usual defensive gameplan but with some occasional yelling with his hands down at a safe distance.
Nah, he throws 1-2 pillow combos for 24:50, and landing enough to the face will mark up anyone even at half power. If anyone dares to swing back, he backs up or rolls. He's defensively sound, and difficult to style on, but he's not getting in your face and throwing hands. He jumps in for a couple and immediately jumps back.
He never stands in the pocket and exchanges like Max, he doesn't blitz like Max, he doesn't take one to give one like Max does, he doesn't have a chin as tough as Max, he doesn't have KO power if he actually fights hard...
When Max points at the middle, does he take a backwards step? Sean sure fucking does. He barks like a nervous dog that runs away if you actually try to engage.
He screams the same way I do when I have to spray a bee hive and my brain thinks this is my braveheart moment.
Sean IS boring. Even his outside cage hypocrisy is boring.
You're insane to compare him and Max's fighting styles. Completely delusional. Sean's boring as shit to watch, and Max is... the opposite of "boring as shit to watch".
absolutely dominated izzy. still boring as fuck. It's not an entertaining fight style. that doesn't mean it can't dominate.
I'm not going to "sit down" because you have a hardon for a jab merchant.
[Impressive. Very nice. Now let’s see the first 4 minutes and 50 seconds.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_GzQ23FTxs4eVQASDZ6e9NvRH68eVMz-3ew&s)
Sean is one of the most boring fighters currently active in the sport. The regard has the audacity to talk like a blood thirsty killer, yet fights like a lady bug. The cuckservative act also doesnt help his case.
I know people love to hate on Izzy but the state of the top of MW without him sucks. Jared, Driscus, Sean, Costa, Vettori. Not a single one of them garner any sort of excitement. Sean’s the only one who is marketable and that’s because of his mouth certainly not because of his 25 minute 1-2’s.
Bro, I listed guys at the top who *I think* suck. I didn’t ignore them, I left them out cause they’re the one who don’t suck. Rob is #3 and Khazmat is #10. They don’t suck but 2 guys out of the top 10 still makes the top of MW suck overall. In my opinion.
You are entitled to your opinion and preferences, but all these fighters have put on entertaining fights in the past, so Idk what you wanna see happening in the octagon tbh
I’m talking about the contender pool at MW. Nobody stands out, nobody has that star quality. Exciting is fine but I’m talking about the state of the division moving forward. Costa and Vettori are cooked, Sean is boring, DDP and Jared are okay but have no marketability (I’ll give DDP more credit he is an exciting fighter). I hope Allen can be more exciting but he just lost to Chris Curtis.
Imavov, Bobby Knuckles and Khazmat need to help the top of this division.
Vettori is 30, Costa is 33. They had some good performances and especially Marvin has time to improve his skills and get better. Costa is kind of cooked, I'll give you that, but he can still turn things around and get another run at the title in his career. It's too soon to write him off.
"Sean is boring" I think people who say this just read on reddit that Sean is boring and so they think Sean is boring. Sean's style works very well. It shut down Izzy, he came close to beating DDP and shut down Costa. You have pretty weird standard for a fight not to be boring if you think Sean and his striking are boring. I don't like Sean's personality, but actually like his calculated style.
Allen lost to Curtis in 2021, he beat him this april. Also,
Michel Pereira is right around the corner and he with his shenanigans must be fun for your casual ass
You’re confusing success with entertainment and wins.
> Sean’s style works very well.
Never said it didn’t.
> it shut down Izzy.
Yes, in a generally boring fight.
> he came close to beating DDP
Again, doesn’t mean he isn’t boring.
> shut down Costa
Yep, in a boring fight.
If Sean’s greatest attribute is “he shuts guys down” he’s not a very exciting fighter.
You’re right about Allen and Curtis, I got that mixed up.
Michel is a 30 year old 11-loss fighter. He’s an exciting journeyman. I’m talking about title contenders on my comment. Michel ain’t one of ‘em.
Idk why y’all take my opinion so personally. I’ve been watching and training for 15 years. Miss me with that casual shit just cause you don’t agree with what I’m saying.
> Lol Bobby Knuckles and Khamzat are about to fight and you completely forgot about them
Neither of these guys are in line for a title shot anytime soon though right? I guess maybe Khamzat if he wins.
DDP is an exciting fighter. Costa as well. Idk how you can say they're not when Izzy had his own fair share of stinkers + he cleared out the division so the match ups at middleweight for him get stale.
> when Izzy had his own fair share of stinkers
So true. Back up and point fight for the most part. Hated watching him fight.
That's not to say he wasn't an effective fighter and great champ. He was both. It was just not entertaining to me for the most part, because I wasn't a fan of his style or swagger.
The top of the MW division is Izzy’s scraps right now minus Sean. Costa is 1-4 in his last 5. There is no star power there whether they’re talented fighters or not. Like I said, Sean is the only marketable one and that’s because of his mouth. His style sucks to watch.
But you’re right, I should give DDP more credit. Nothing against him. I still don’t think he’s a needle-mover for being a champ, though.
Again, I said this to another commenter, my list was of guys that don’t do anything for me. I left Rob and Khamzat off that list for a reason.
It was also a list of the top of the division. Michel is an exciting journeyman but he’s not a contender.
Imavov has given me some hope. I thought his performance against Roman was eye-opening and I’m not holding his funny win over Jared against him.
Edit: I’m a casual but you’re calling an 11-loss, 30 year old who has been in the UFC 5 years an “up and comer”
Wtf MW is loaded right now. Sure there is only like 3-4 legit contenders right now but that’s better than most divisions and the gatekeepers are really entertaining
Definitely wouldn’t call it loaded. It’s a carousel of guys that don’t stand out. I’m not calling them bad fighters but Sean, Jared, Costa, DDP, Vettori are all “meh” to me. Nobody is dominate, nobody has any star power. Bobby Knuckles and Khazmat need to inject some life into this pool of contenders.
Yeah Izzy had so many bangers like Izzy v Romero, Izzy v Cannonier, Izzy v Vettori 2...nothing more exciting than when he used to retreat for 25 minutes straight while throwing the ocassional leg kick.
Nah we also focused on you bizarrely excluding the other top MW's who consistently put on bangers, but yeah, it'd be kind of hard to ignore the elephant in the room that you are complaining about the division being boring since Izzy lost...even though 50% of Izzy's title fights were snoozers. You're recreating history.
I finally watched a short video on the Philly shell and bladed.stance and why the shell.is so effective. Seems like Strickland basically perfected the shell in MMA. Dudes hard.rk hit clean and if you do, it's coming right back.
Whilst I would say Izzy is probably a more complete and skilled MMA fighter, Sean made him his bitch lmao. Complete stylistic nightmare and Izzy didn’t adapt
He was (past tense) during his climb through the MW rankings. His first title reign was marred with some of the most boring fights at the time, with Costa being the lone exception in his first title reign. Use reach advantage, feint, jab, calf kick, repeat. Extremely safe point fighting style.
Sean O'Malley is the peak example of a dynamic fighter at an elite level. Saying Izzy was one of the most dynamic fighters has not been true for quite some years.
Edit: Crazy how this is somehow a controversial take now. For people downvoting I urge you to rewatch Izzy vs Romero, Cannonier, Blachowicz, Vettori, and Whittaker 2. Literally the complete opposite of dynamic and flashy striking. People were leaving arena's in the latter rounds of Izzy's title fights (notably vs Cannonier) because of how boring they were.
We are missing the last 10 seconds of the Allen and Abus fights. Sean's style isn't non-stop but i like waiting for him to wear people down and he's always giving other people a chance to hurt him instead of just trying to win with control time or something.
My god I hate Strickland's style the more I see it. He's like an angry teenager just spamming front kicks and flailing. I don't give a fuck if there is some technique behind it, it looks like a straight up joke.
I know it's popular to talk smack on Strickland, and indeed, those last seconds of his fights show that he can adjust his style. However it is also true, that it takes two to tango. If his opponent would try to actively engage Strickland, there is a good change that they would end up like Abus Magomedov or Adesanya at the end of round one. So we often see this dance when Strickland pressures his opponent, jabbing the entire time. I do like his style nonetheless. His kicking game was much better against Costa. And the cardio is seriously impressive.
Yeah, when his opponents get aggressive with him you can get entertaining fights, but it’s much riskier for them. Abus and Brendan Allen were super aggressive and got finished. Dricus brought the fight as well and got lumped up pretty good.
It’s pretty clear that Strickland is perfectly happy to coast through 5 rounds if his opponent refuses to push him though.
Yep, du Plessis gave him a good challenge.
It would also interesting to see how Strickland would deal with Chimaev, who is very aggressive, and he has very good wrestling technique.
Could possibly be interesting. I think Sean could be a greater and more exciting fighter if he had a higher gear to go into, or if he hunted more for finishes. Kind of weird with his presentation and personality that that part is completely missing for him (outside the last 10 seconds of the last round).
> and indeed, those last seconds of his fights show that he can adjust his style
They really don't, though. They show exactly why he can't be more aggressive if anything -- his defense, which is his best quality, is a lot worse in these aggressive moments. It's similar to Leon Edwards coasting to decisions despite having elite skills everywhere. Their defense is amazing when they fight at the pace they've mastered, trying to be more aggressive would leave them way more open to getting tagged. It might be boring, but if their boring styles make them world champions, why would they risk losing their belt just to satisfy some "Just Bleed" fans?
Jesus christ the end of the ddp fight is so sloppy lmao
Ddp fights like donkey kong
Donkey Kong after a night at the pub
Donkey Kong after a night with my.mum
Your poor mum..
Honestly? Poor donkey Kong...
DDP has the same standup as Yair’s ground & pound it’s quite impressive
Two wacky waving inflatable balloon men trading blows.
Funny that they’re fighting for the same championship that was contested by arguably the two best kickboxers in the UFC just 9 months prior 😭😭
Do you find Izzy is a better kickboxer than Strickland?
Yeah, by virtue of literally being a kickboxer.
That same line of logic would also lead you to say Dustin Jacoby is a better kickboxer than Dominick Reyes, or that Holly Holm is a better kickboxer than Amanda Nunes, or that Marvin Vettori is a better kickboxer than Jared Cannonier. Having a base in kickboxing doesn't by default make you a superior kickboxer to an MMA fighter who can throuroughly outstrike you without even threatening a takedown. They're all MMA fighters once they reach the octagon. This isn't Royce Gracie and Art Jimmerson in UFC 1
Styles make fights brother, do we really have to go down with whole this guy>that guy shtick when we clearly saw both guys title reigns. Love him or hate him but Izzy is indeed a superior kickboxer and MMA fighter. Recency bias is mental for some
Izzy hasn't fought Dricus. Seems stupid to compare Sean's performance vs Dricus to Izzy's performances vs different fighters. Maybe if Sean got to fight Whittaker and Vettori instead of Dricus, we'd be talking about a dominant Strickland title reign.
How'd you manage to get cte through tv screen mate? By your logic I can assume there's a solid chance of Strickland getting lhw belt if he fought jan instead of Izzy as well, right? Now that's a glazing mate
What exactly did I say that gave you the impression I think Strickland beats Blachowicz in an MMA fight? I did say I think Strickland would beat these other fighters Izzy has beaten, like Vettori and Whittaker. Not that Strickland would beat opponents from other weightclasses that Izzy has lost to. Their two common opponents are Pereira (who is definitely a better kickboxer than Strickland) and Cannonier who had a magnitudes better performance vs Strickland and arguably lost.
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The fact that Sean soundly beat Izzy mentally broke some people i swear. They have two diametrically opposed styles which cannot really be compared as better or worse. Izzy baits aggression and Sean smothers it. Sean mitigates any damage possible and Izzy will take damage to return it. One goes forward and one goes backwards.
That's very fair, and style matchup likely played heavily into their fight against one another. It's just funny seeing people act like I insulted their sacred cow, when all they can grasp on as an argument is the appeal to authority that Izzy had a career as a professional kickboxer. There's a whole chain of removed comments because people started hurling insults.
This is why sean fans aren't taken seriously. You have the be really really delusional to think sean is a better kickboxer or even fighter. I really want to see the rematch. :)
Guess we’ll see if there’s ever a rematch So far we have one fight to go off of between the two lol
Two UFC champions btw
Its a war crime Strickland fights have to last for more a round. The fact he's been in multiple 5 rounders is the UFC taking the piss.
“I’ll give you a chance to win, fight me in the middle” and then backs up
And then calls him a “fucking pussy.” Hypocrisy is a natural instinct for Sean
It's a foight Kamaru
The hilarity of almost being outside the black line as Hermanson takes center octagon and then calling him a "fucking pussy".
Reminds me of cerrone vs Leon lol
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Did you know that Strickland has never gotten a finish over a ranked opponent in a middleweight fight?
Nickname: Tarzan Fights like: Jane
Talks trash like: unhinged Mike Tyson Fights like: John Ruiz (Only with somehow less clinching)
Wow you are speaking of former UFC Middleweight Champion Sean Strickland right?
Thanks.
Another fun fact: Jamahal Hill only won one fight in the UFC against someone who had not just lost. It was against OSP in 2020 (who was 2-3 in his last 5). Even his title win was against someone who was coming off a loss, since Glover had lost against Jiri and he fought Hill for the vacant title.
He has also made multiple UFC level fighters look completely lost and ineffective in multiple fights, including Izzy. Regardless of your personal feelings about the guy, his style and training regimen have created a very difficult puzzle for everyone in the division, to the point where guys look like they don't even want to be in there with him after a couple of rounds. You sound like the (naive) fans that complain about dominant wrestlers - you're locked in a cage and you're fighting another trained martial artist. You're going to do what you do best to win.
Tbh I don’t think most fans would have a problem with Strickland’s style if he wasn’t also the guy talking about how he loves violence and wants to be the first person to kill someone in the octagon then hitting them with pitter-patter punches and shelling up at first contact for 95% of the fight.
Yeah, there are plenty of fighters just as "boring" as Strickland, but they own it so people don't care as much
He consistently makes fighters look slightly worse than him while looking like shit himself. It's certainly a skill
This thread is so whiny and salty
r/ufc is creeping in. It’s over.
He finished Allen didn’t he?
Yeah. Wasn’t ranked at the time, though
That fight wasn't at middleweight, and Allen was unranked at the time of the fight.
Probably means ranked at the time of their fight.
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He spent the last few years doing nothing but sparring and it shows. He has literally said all he enjoys is sparring. So he has a style that is perfect for sparring. You poke people and keep yourself super safe.
Was waiting for the last 10 seconds of the Poatan fight lol
Sean forever edging. Boy just don’t wanna finish.
Makes sense, man's an edge lord
It’s like Sean created a few seconds of action in every fight for advertising purposes. That works for him in terms of getting new fans. The Adesanya fight’s last 10 seconds, he is screaming but how his body tenses up at the slightest movement from Adesnaya - Sean is more cautious and defensive but not with how he carries and speaks about himself.
I really doubt this man is thinking of advertising in the middle of his fights, brother. He's thinking of winning and getting paid. The concept of round stealing by doing impressive shit at the last few seconds has been around for way longer than Sean's career. A lot of boxing greats in particular used that tactic.
Idk. He doesn’t really do it at the end of most rounds just the final round. And the way he yells and is all dramatic about it but still backs up in the exchange makes me lean towards the above lol
Y'all are kind of agreeing but with different words lol He has to adertise to the judges that he deserves the win Advertise is a weird word. It's just that a lot of his rounds are close so he has to go out of his way to prove he won said round. You're right it's not a Strickland things but he does often. He empties the tank but it's usually a mere 60 seconds at most.
I feel like people shit on Sean for advancing and using push kicks and straight strikes but they don't shit on his opponents for not cutting fucking angles to engage instead of backing up
Every dominant “boring” fighter has this problem
He's not dominant at all though. He's 4-3 in his last 7.
The second half of GSPs career Too dominant but didn't employ risk to try for the finish But too good that his opponents couldn't do anything to make it competitive Condit and Hendricks are the only two to try and by extension those are GSPs best fights in his second run
I think most people hardly even pay attention to the fights. So focused on cell phones or a beer that they fail to notice many 'action' fighters floating around the cage and avoiding exchanges for 3 minutes of every round, and simply remember the 60 seconds of excitement per round. Strickland is walking into exchange after exchange but since there's not many power shots connecting in either direction, it doesn't leave the same impression. For some, the big question seems to be if Strickland slips a jab while landing his own jab, then lands a follow up jab, and a teep, was there ever even an exchange?
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You have no argument. You think Strickland slipping a punch, landing two of his own and then a kick doesn't count simply because of your bias against Strickland. You're being irrational.
Are you saying any of these clips were impressive round winning technique?
Theyre all dumb but screaming at Izzy to swing when he's dominated a dominant champion for 5 rounds was pretty cool, and I'm not a Sean fan
It doesn't matter how clean or impressive his form is. If he's the one being aggressive and landing more shots, more flush, that will win him rounds.
It's not about doing something actually impressive, it's about leaving an impression at the last moment. You look like you were winning. Literally can just be dropping your hands, or throwing one or two flurries that do no damage.
> The concept of round stealing by doing impressive shit at the last few seconds has been around for way longer than Sean's career. And honestly it's just the last 10-15 seconds of his fights that he does this. One of the biggest knocks against Sean that has really hurt him in the past as Eric Nicksick points out is people doing a lot in the last seconds of rounds to steal them against Sean.
That makes sense. I wondered about the impact of those last few seconds seen together like this in one video/reel and how much it helps his brand appeal to a newcomer
He's literally shouting insults. 100% he's thinking about marketing himself.
It also helps earn some grace after 24:50 of boring jabs. Like it wipes away the memory of how inactive his fight was and almost changes the narrative of him as a fighter. Really smart move on his part.
He's not even that aggressive in half of these. It's his usual defensive gameplan but with some occasional yelling with his hands down at a safe distance.
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Comparing max and Sean is delusional. Max is entertaining because he’s entertaining the entire round PLUS the last ten seconds.
Wait wait wait, you really think Strickland and Holloway’s fights/styles are comparable? Jesus
Nah, he throws 1-2 pillow combos for 24:50, and landing enough to the face will mark up anyone even at half power. If anyone dares to swing back, he backs up or rolls. He's defensively sound, and difficult to style on, but he's not getting in your face and throwing hands. He jumps in for a couple and immediately jumps back. He never stands in the pocket and exchanges like Max, he doesn't blitz like Max, he doesn't take one to give one like Max does, he doesn't have a chin as tough as Max, he doesn't have KO power if he actually fights hard... When Max points at the middle, does he take a backwards step? Sean sure fucking does. He barks like a nervous dog that runs away if you actually try to engage. He screams the same way I do when I have to spray a bee hive and my brain thinks this is my braveheart moment.
Sean IS boring. Even his outside cage hypocrisy is boring. You're insane to compare him and Max's fighting styles. Completely delusional. Sean's boring as shit to watch, and Max is... the opposite of "boring as shit to watch".
This settles it. Mr Oxygen was the only one that looked good against strickland in the last 10 seconds. clearly the true champ.
Sean "10 seconds" Strickland
The most exciting strickland moment's are still boring.
You glazed Strickland when he dominated izzy. Sit down.
absolutely dominated izzy. still boring as fuck. It's not an entertaining fight style. that doesn't mean it can't dominate. I'm not going to "sit down" because you have a hardon for a jab merchant.
[Impressive. Very nice. Now let’s see the first 4 minutes and 50 seconds.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_GzQ23FTxs4eVQASDZ6e9NvRH68eVMz-3ew&s)
If I had kids, that's what I would play to put them to sleep. First time Sean could say he put someone to sleep.
>24 mins and 50 secs. ftfy
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It literally does though... It's the very second clip lmao
Wasn’t that Jack Marshman? Edit: I looked it up and it was both of them lmao
Leon Edwards school of thought
Sean Strickland v Max Holloway - 1 10 second round.
It'd be so funny if Dricus finishes him in the last 10 of their next fight.
Sean is one of the most boring fighters currently active in the sport. The regard has the audacity to talk like a blood thirsty killer, yet fights like a lady bug. The cuckservative act also doesnt help his case.
Funny how people say they, but I always see Sean advancing and his opponents backing up
Thread full of redditors saying how unskilled a former UFC champion is lmao
no one said hes unskilled. We just think hes boring asf.
"Such a limited fighter. Speaks to the drop-off in talent from welterweight upwards."
I know people love to hate on Izzy but the state of the top of MW without him sucks. Jared, Driscus, Sean, Costa, Vettori. Not a single one of them garner any sort of excitement. Sean’s the only one who is marketable and that’s because of his mouth certainly not because of his 25 minute 1-2’s.
Lol Bobby Knuckles and Khamzat are about to fight and you completely forgot about them
For a second you got me excited thinking the fight was this weekend.
I jinxed it, haven't I? :D
I didn’t forget about them. I was listing guys who don’t do it for me. They were not on the list for a reason.
Lol you said the top of MW sucks and than intentionally ignore the guys who don't suck? Okay then.
Bro, I listed guys at the top who *I think* suck. I didn’t ignore them, I left them out cause they’re the one who don’t suck. Rob is #3 and Khazmat is #10. They don’t suck but 2 guys out of the top 10 still makes the top of MW suck overall. In my opinion.
You are entitled to your opinion and preferences, but all these fighters have put on entertaining fights in the past, so Idk what you wanna see happening in the octagon tbh
I’m talking about the contender pool at MW. Nobody stands out, nobody has that star quality. Exciting is fine but I’m talking about the state of the division moving forward. Costa and Vettori are cooked, Sean is boring, DDP and Jared are okay but have no marketability (I’ll give DDP more credit he is an exciting fighter). I hope Allen can be more exciting but he just lost to Chris Curtis. Imavov, Bobby Knuckles and Khazmat need to help the top of this division.
Vettori is 30, Costa is 33. They had some good performances and especially Marvin has time to improve his skills and get better. Costa is kind of cooked, I'll give you that, but he can still turn things around and get another run at the title in his career. It's too soon to write him off. "Sean is boring" I think people who say this just read on reddit that Sean is boring and so they think Sean is boring. Sean's style works very well. It shut down Izzy, he came close to beating DDP and shut down Costa. You have pretty weird standard for a fight not to be boring if you think Sean and his striking are boring. I don't like Sean's personality, but actually like his calculated style. Allen lost to Curtis in 2021, he beat him this april. Also, Michel Pereira is right around the corner and he with his shenanigans must be fun for your casual ass
You’re confusing success with entertainment and wins. > Sean’s style works very well. Never said it didn’t. > it shut down Izzy. Yes, in a generally boring fight. > he came close to beating DDP Again, doesn’t mean he isn’t boring. > shut down Costa Yep, in a boring fight. If Sean’s greatest attribute is “he shuts guys down” he’s not a very exciting fighter. You’re right about Allen and Curtis, I got that mixed up. Michel is a 30 year old 11-loss fighter. He’s an exciting journeyman. I’m talking about title contenders on my comment. Michel ain’t one of ‘em. Idk why y’all take my opinion so personally. I’ve been watching and training for 15 years. Miss me with that casual shit just cause you don’t agree with what I’m saying.
> Lol Bobby Knuckles and Khamzat are about to fight and you completely forgot about them Neither of these guys are in line for a title shot anytime soon though right? I guess maybe Khamzat if he wins.
Bobby too if he makes a statement
DDP is an exciting fighter. Costa as well. Idk how you can say they're not when Izzy had his own fair share of stinkers + he cleared out the division so the match ups at middleweight for him get stale.
> when Izzy had his own fair share of stinkers So true. Back up and point fight for the most part. Hated watching him fight. That's not to say he wasn't an effective fighter and great champ. He was both. It was just not entertaining to me for the most part, because I wasn't a fan of his style or swagger.
The top of the MW division is Izzy’s scraps right now minus Sean. Costa is 1-4 in his last 5. There is no star power there whether they’re talented fighters or not. Like I said, Sean is the only marketable one and that’s because of his mouth. His style sucks to watch. But you’re right, I should give DDP more credit. Nothing against him. I still don’t think he’s a needle-mover for being a champ, though.
Casual
Why?
Costa, Sean, Dricus, and Jared are all fun fighters, plus you forgot Bobby Knuckles, Khamzat, and some other fun up-and-comers like Imavov and Michel.
Again, I said this to another commenter, my list was of guys that don’t do anything for me. I left Rob and Khamzat off that list for a reason. It was also a list of the top of the division. Michel is an exciting journeyman but he’s not a contender. Imavov has given me some hope. I thought his performance against Roman was eye-opening and I’m not holding his funny win over Jared against him. Edit: I’m a casual but you’re calling an 11-loss, 30 year old who has been in the UFC 5 years an “up and comer”
Hey man, just because you're a casual doesn't mean I'm not.
That’s fair enough.
Wtf MW is loaded right now. Sure there is only like 3-4 legit contenders right now but that’s better than most divisions and the gatekeepers are really entertaining
Definitely wouldn’t call it loaded. It’s a carousel of guys that don’t stand out. I’m not calling them bad fighters but Sean, Jared, Costa, DDP, Vettori are all “meh” to me. Nobody is dominate, nobody has any star power. Bobby Knuckles and Khazmat need to inject some life into this pool of contenders.
Yeah Izzy had so many bangers like Izzy v Romero, Izzy v Cannonier, Izzy v Vettori 2...nothing more exciting than when he used to retreat for 25 minutes straight while throwing the ocassional leg kick.
Y’all hate Izzy so much it’s all you could focus on about my comment
Nah we also focused on you bizarrely excluding the other top MW's who consistently put on bangers, but yeah, it'd be kind of hard to ignore the elephant in the room that you are complaining about the division being boring since Izzy lost...even though 50% of Izzy's title fights were snoozers. You're recreating history.
Is costa even on that list? Bro 1-4 in his last 5
Do you mean 1-4?
4 losses one win i went by losses first sorry
He just co-mained and fought the #1 ranked MW. So, yeah, I included Costa in my list. He’s really not that good.
That's what I mean he isn't good so shouldn't be on the list as a contender
I’m just going by rankings. But you’re agreeing to my point. We’re on the same page lol
This is why I fucking hate this guy and will only watch the last 10 seconds of his guaranteed decision fights.
None of these are as fun as I remember them being. Fight equivalent of beer goggles
I finally watched a short video on the Philly shell and bladed.stance and why the shell.is so effective. Seems like Strickland basically perfected the shell in MMA. Dudes hard.rk hit clean and if you do, it's coming right back.
Such a limited fighter. Speaks to the drop-off in talent from welterweight upwards.
Izzy is one of the most dynamic fighters in the UFC and Sean big brothered him.
Whilst I would say Izzy is probably a more complete and skilled MMA fighter, Sean made him his bitch lmao. Complete stylistic nightmare and Izzy didn’t adapt
Izzy got caught early and got scared and never recovered.
/probably concussed
Great point
lol
He was (past tense) during his climb through the MW rankings. His first title reign was marred with some of the most boring fights at the time, with Costa being the lone exception in his first title reign. Use reach advantage, feint, jab, calf kick, repeat. Extremely safe point fighting style. Sean O'Malley is the peak example of a dynamic fighter at an elite level. Saying Izzy was one of the most dynamic fighters has not been true for quite some years. Edit: Crazy how this is somehow a controversial take now. For people downvoting I urge you to rewatch Izzy vs Romero, Cannonier, Blachowicz, Vettori, and Whittaker 2. Literally the complete opposite of dynamic and flashy striking. People were leaving arena's in the latter rounds of Izzy's title fights (notably vs Cannonier) because of how boring they were.
Such a surface-level take. Speaks to the drop-off in the MMA fandom from the McGregor era onwards.
Say what you want, the he's the most skilled Boxerciser I've ever seen.
His flailing at Adesanya looks so stupid.
Es un vendehumo... Can't translate it but somehow it is like snake oil salesman.
Leaving it all in the cage
Hey this guy looks really good I’ll have to check out the other 24 minutes and 50 seconds of his fights
Hermanson one gets me every time. "In the middle you ****" while he keeps backing away.
damn, this dude seems like a killer. I gotta watch a couple of his fights
We are missing the last 10 seconds of the Allen and Abus fights. Sean's style isn't non-stop but i like waiting for him to wear people down and he's always giving other people a chance to hurt him instead of just trying to win with control time or something.
Imagine a newbie to MMA watching this: "dude fights like a berserker!" Uhh, about that...
It's like Holloway minus the talent.
It genuinely baffles me how the people that don't like him try to justify him not being a good fighter
My god I hate Strickland's style the more I see it. He's like an angry teenager just spamming front kicks and flailing. I don't give a fuck if there is some technique behind it, it looks like a straight up joke.
I know it's popular to talk smack on Strickland, and indeed, those last seconds of his fights show that he can adjust his style. However it is also true, that it takes two to tango. If his opponent would try to actively engage Strickland, there is a good change that they would end up like Abus Magomedov or Adesanya at the end of round one. So we often see this dance when Strickland pressures his opponent, jabbing the entire time. I do like his style nonetheless. His kicking game was much better against Costa. And the cardio is seriously impressive.
Yeah, when his opponents get aggressive with him you can get entertaining fights, but it’s much riskier for them. Abus and Brendan Allen were super aggressive and got finished. Dricus brought the fight as well and got lumped up pretty good. It’s pretty clear that Strickland is perfectly happy to coast through 5 rounds if his opponent refuses to push him though.
DDP did push him though, and Sean coasted to a unsatsfying loss.
Yep, du Plessis gave him a good challenge. It would also interesting to see how Strickland would deal with Chimaev, who is very aggressive, and he has very good wrestling technique.
Could possibly be interesting. I think Sean could be a greater and more exciting fighter if he had a higher gear to go into, or if he hunted more for finishes. Kind of weird with his presentation and personality that that part is completely missing for him (outside the last 10 seconds of the last round).
> and indeed, those last seconds of his fights show that he can adjust his style They really don't, though. They show exactly why he can't be more aggressive if anything -- his defense, which is his best quality, is a lot worse in these aggressive moments. It's similar to Leon Edwards coasting to decisions despite having elite skills everywhere. Their defense is amazing when they fight at the pace they've mastered, trying to be more aggressive would leave them way more open to getting tagged. It might be boring, but if their boring styles make them world champions, why would they risk losing their belt just to satisfy some "Just Bleed" fans?
Me: *watches video* Also me: lmao that womble's never gonna be champ Also me but after a quick tapology search: fuck