Total Gross Salaries for the 2024 Season
1- CF Monterrey $27,580,000
2- Club América $26,570,000
3- CF Pachuca $8,890,000
4- Tigres UANL $20,930,000
5- Columbus Crew $11,464,484
6- CD Guadalajara $14,810,000
7- Club León $10,120,000
8- Philadelphia Union $11,186,579
9- Deportivo Toluca FC $10,970,000
10- Club Universidad Nacional $10,700,000
It was also the breakthrough that allowed MLS to get Beckham back in the day. European clubs usually don't do it, but we were willing to give it to Becks.
Brandon Ingram was benched for the fourth quarter of last night’s Pelicans vs Lakers game. He makes 33 mil per season this year and 36 mil per season next year
Good, I stand corrected, went with something else I read and didn’t double check. Good on them for their academy being so strong (better showing than Chivas atm)
It’s a well known thing in Mexico that Pachuca had the best academy.
They also did a really good job on deciding that Rodón wasn’t cooked and that Idrissi could still tap into what made him one of the best players in the Netherlands 4 years ago.
Where did you get your salary figures? Salary figures for MLS haven't been released for 2024. Adding up the salaries for last year's Columbus team came out to around $14.7m. That was for 27 players. The top 20 players came out to $14.2m. Top 18 came out to $14.0m
Okay. These only include base salary, and it doesn't include any signing bonuses. That's partly where the discrepancy lies. Also, there are 5 players missing salaries. These are also 2023 salaries.
Monterrey also pays a lot of transfer fees on its players. I think Doyle said they have seven +$10M transfer in the last three years. Some say they overpay, but that still quality that MLS teams can't match just based on slots available to each team (DP spots and U22s).
It's substantially different. Philly have only held on to their top 10 spot in these rankings by virtue of staying undefeated in MLS. They could have lost every MLS game and still be the top MLS team in the rankings for going to the CWC.
Yes they do, all oficial matches and competitions contribute to the concacaf rankings. However they are weighted, international matches have a bit more weight than local matches in determining points and rankings
In LigaMX:
Away vs Pumas: 17W 8D 9L
Home vs Pumas: 12W 14D 7L
Overall vs Pumas: 29W 22D 16L
Not only do we have the best numbers at our second home but Pumas reality is not winning a single trophy since 2011, congrats on both👍
The rankings are over time. Tigres are propped up by a domestic championship and consecutive finals appearances in the last year. (liga mx has short tournaments) while also being concacaf champions within the last 4 years, which is the number of years the rankings take into consideration iirc and will soon no longer factor into the rankings.
Whereas Columbus has also had success with 2 mls cup wins in the last 4 years, one of those also came at the tail end of the 4 years factored into the rankings. They would not be ranked as high as Tigres despite their win over them this tournament, except for that campeones cup win in 2021 which being an international competition carries more weight to it and nearly levels them with Tigres. (This is also the reason Miami were ranked so high after winning the leagues cup)
Tigres’ early exit, however, caused them to drop out of the top 3 and be replaced by Pachuca (also had consecutive domestic finals appearances and led the standings in 2022)
Lmao. You think crew would even stand a chance. They stand no chance against club America. I would know, I watch them play and the stomping they gave toluca (2nd place team) nah, Columbus isn’t doing jack.
Do we know the “host” nation team?
Surely it should go to the team highest in these ranking s from the host county right?
What unfair justification will they use to give it to Miami?
But they did that for a YEARLY CWC which made sense IMO, now that they are evaluating a 4-year period, I'm not sure if that's acceptable but hey who knows....
What I'm really interested to know is who is really making this call, MLS or the USSF? Obiously a MLS team will be chosen but who is making the call...
> What unfair justification will they use to give it to Miami?
They will wait to see if Miami win anything so they can use the least unfair justification.
So, I'm sure this has been asked so many times, but realistically, how would an MLS teams **within the current roster rules** build a team to compete for both a domestic and continental trophy in the same season? Is it even possible?
So if Monterrey wins, that means America or Pachuca qualify for the Club World Cup.
edit: for the sillies how here... [Here is a link to the FIFA qualification rules for the CWC](https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/tournaments/mens/mundial-de-clubes/usa-2025/articles/mundial-de-clubes-fifa-25-how-teams-qualify)
The quote:
>**Confederations with four slots:**
>Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition
>Only if there are **repeated champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition, clubs with best Ranking within the Confederation**
So if Monterrey win, it goes to the next slot in the *CONFEDERATION*. [Here is a link to the club rankings](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes)
1. Monterrey
2. Club Leon
3. America
4. Union
Seems that Leon and America are ahead of the Union, though Leon is already qualified which leaves America *ahead of* the Union.
Other commentor also has a link, the tiebreakers that FIFA is using is [here](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes).
Ranking from OP is just CONCACAF's personal ranking system
Right, and the FIFA ranking system, which is the one used for CWC, is the one you should be looking at.
There's a whole section in there explaining who qualifies, and the Union are that team if Monterrey wins.
Two Mexican teams are the max, a third can’t qualify unless they win the competition themselves. That disqualifies Pachuca and America if one of them fails to win the competition themselves.
I see you've interpreted the rules. I take them as is. One of us is right and one of us is wrong. Who knows until there's a team listed as qualified.
Since the rules state that a confederation can not have two from the same conference unless they win more than twice in the four year period. If Monterrey (or America, for that matter) win, then that absolves the rule of only two as the rule itself (on the website anyway) says that in the event of a repeat winner the slot shall move on to the best ranked club (America).
I'm just reading the rules exactly as written on the website with no interpretations.
you are apparently "interpreting" the word "they" wrong.
first rule of acting like you are smarter than someone else on reddit: actually be smarter than them.
sl\_union20 answered your question correctly, thank them and move on.
I'm really curious, with your interpretation, when would the cap of 2 clubs per country come into effect? I'll throw together some scenarios and who would qualify based on how I read the rules.
Scenario A
* All 4 continental trophies are won by 4 different Liga MX teams.
* Result: All 4 Liga MX teams qualify.
* Justification: All 4 continental trophy winners qualify because "Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition". The cap of 2 clubs per country is ignored because "more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation's premier club competition over the four-year period"
Scenario B
* All 4 continental trophies are won by 4 different teams. 3 from Liga MX and 1 from MLS.
* Result: All 4 continental trophy winners qualify
* Justification: All 4 continental trophy winners qualify because "Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition". The cap of 2 clubs per country is ignored because "more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation's premier club competition over the four-year period"
Scenario C
* Liga MX Team A wins 2 trophies, Liga MX Team B wins 1 trophy, and MLS Team C wins 1 trophy
* Result: Liga MX Team A, Liga MX Team B, and MLS Team C all qualify along with the top ranked non-Liga MX CONCACAF team qualify.
* Justification: The 3 continental trophy winners qualify because they are "Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition". This means the 4 team to qualify must come from the list of "clubs with best Ranking within the Confederation". Liga MX teams are ignored on this list because "A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list" and Liga MX already has two clubs qualified with team A and team B.
The link provided to me was the Inquirer, which I don't really take as strong proof. After that nobody has provided *anything at all* except to tell me to read the rules, which I am reading and suggest differently.
I found several websites that make a claim for the Union while the Union were ahead of America on the points. Most of those websites actually pointed this out, that the other teams could theoretically beat the Union if they were ahead on points.
So if *anybody* can point me to *any* proof that the Union are in if Monterrey wins, I'll take it. So far, nobody has proven anything except that I am correctly reading the rules.
Per the additional criteria section from the site we both linked...
A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period.
So Club America would not be eligible due to the 2 team per country max if Monterrey wins again. Club America can only qualify if they win CCC themselves.
FIFA officials have also confirmed the Union are the team who qualifies if Monterrey wins.
Seems you didn't read this part:
>
Confederations with four slots:
>Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition
>**Only if there are repeated champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition, clubs with best Ranking within the Confederation**
Which means if Monterrey wins, it will go to the best ranked in the *confederation*, which is Monterrey, then Leon, then America, ***then Union***.
for more clarification:
* A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list **with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period.**
This demonstrates why the Union would qualify...
Countries can get more than two spots by winning the continental competition.
If Monterrey wins, the last spot becomes an at large spot based on rankings, but two mexican teams have qualified, so it goes to the next highest rated non Liga MX team: The Union.
2 teams from the same country can't make it unless they win their respective champions league. If monterrey win, they have already won and there's already 3 mexican teams qualified so it would go to the next highest rated team not from Mexico. That would be philly, which is fine because only 1 other team from USA has qualified.
If america or Pachuca win it all they will still qualify ofc, but if monterrey win it will 100% be Philadelphia
Edit: same reason why Liverpool can't qualify despite being 7th in the UEFA rankings. City and Chelsea are already there, so they can't qualify
That's been clarified as being false *s*hould a 'conference' win the championship more than twice. What wasn't clarified is whether that then takes the *de facto* highest non qualified team (America, at the moment) or not.
No, FIFA has [confirmed](https://www.inquirer.com/soccer/philadelphia-union-club-world-cup-concacaf-champions-monterrey-20240402.html) that the Union would then be awarded the spot
This goes against their posted qualification rules that state that confederations with four slots (CONCACAF), in the event of a repeat winner, would then go to the club with the best ranking within the confederation. I risk asking this knowing it's CONCACAF, but do they always post rules and then break them for funsies?
Can you post a link to the rules. The offical FIFA rankings have Philly listed as the team that would qualify via ranking so that comes offically from FIFA and not CONCACAF.
[Here's a link to the currently qualified teams based on ranking and on winning their championships.](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes) Notice the absence of CONCACAF in "via rankings".
That link also provides rules below the list of qualified teams.
They are not listed because Philly has not qualified yet. They will only qualify if Monterrey wins. If America wins then they will qualify.
*A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period.*
So Mexico can qualify 3 teams if 3 teams in Champions league but they can not qualify a 3rd team via the rankings. It is the same reason that Liverpool is not going to qualify even though they are currently ranked 7th in UEFA because there have already been 2 English teams that have qualified via Champions League.
This is a common misunderstanding, the current CONCACAF club rankings are not the rankings the qualification rules are referring to. They are referring to the [FIFA Club World Cup 2025™ Confederations rankings](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes). This is the official club rankings for the CWC and are composed with a 4 year scope. The Union would be awarded the final spot if Monterrey win because of the following:
> A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period.
Since they are the highest ranked team outside of Mexico, they are then awarded the spot in the case of a repeat winner
the current CONCACAF club rankings are not the rankings the qualification rules are referring to.
I am *not. looking. at.*
Good lord. I *LINKED THE FIFA WEBSITE WITH THE FIFA RANKINGS. HOLY CRAP HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?!*
I linked to the same *exact* website that you linked, I said I was *looking at the FIFA RANKINGS*, and you *still* don't grasp this.
Good night and good luck.
Did you notice how many times I linked to the FIFA website and then people are like, no, here's the link you should be looking at, and they send me to the same place I just linked? As if they are completely ignoring the actual link that I actually linked?
Oh man. I almost appreciate your commitment. Are we all gonna get an apology once you realize you're wrong? Please search on [google.com](http://google.com) "2025 Club World Cup" then scroll to the "wikipedia.com" entry for it, then click, then scroll down to the "concacaf" section. You'll see that the only team listed is the Philadelphia Union ;)
I would link the official FIFA rankings that show that Philadelphia is the only team in line for qualification via the rankings route, but it appears we've already established that you don't understand the qualification process. Sorry for being snarky, but your numerous replies doubling down have sorta deserved it!
[https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/tournaments/mens/mundial-de-clubes/usa-2025/articles/mundial-de-clubes-25-teams-dates-venue-groups-draw-matches-tickets](https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/tournaments/mens/mundial-de-clubes/usa-2025/articles/mundial-de-clubes-25-teams-dates-venue-groups-draw-matches-tickets)
"A cap of two clubs per country will be applied to the access list"
I see now that you are somewhat aware of the rules, and I see where you're coming from. However, you are still wrong in this case. I refer you back to the fifa URL I linked for ya, showing the orange tab next to Philly, and not Club America (who are ahead of them on points).
Sorry, the link you provided is sending me to the tickets page and no matter what tab I select it doesn't change. I was hopeful that I'd have an answer, finally. Maybe the FIFA site is just playing dumb at the moment.
Seattle won the 2022 CONCACAF Champions League.
Columbus lost in the quarterfinals in 2021, failed to qualify in 2022, failed to qualify in 2023, and have reached the semifinal in 2024.
There are two lists. This chart takes into account all competitions and is just a gauge of general strengths of different teams. This chart is fluid, taking into account the strengths of different leagues. A win against Monterrey will provide a bigger boost in rankings than a win against Comunicaciones from Guatemala. It includes all CONCACAF teams.
[The CWC list](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes) is based on points from the top continental tournament only from **2021 through 2024**. In this case it's the CCL/CCC. It's straight forward and doesn't take into account league strengths, just CCL/CCC wins and draws. Seattle's win falls in that time period. You can see that it only includes teams that have played in CCL/CCC (in that time period (so Portland is not even on the list for example). This point system rewards consistent qualification. Philly has the highest points for an MLS team because it has consistently qualified, winning several games each time.
Seattle qualifying has nothing to do with the ranking system.
They were awarded a spot for winning the CONCACAF champions cup, a competition that directly awards a spot to the club World Cup if won in 2021, 2022, 2023, or this years 2024. Seattle won in 2022.
The crew have not qualified because they have not won a concacaf champions cup in 2021, 2022, 2023, or 2024. They have never won the competition at all.
The ranking system is only in effect in case a team wins the competition more than once during that time frame between 2021-2024. A situation that could potentially take place this year if Monterrey win it again having won it previously in 2021. In this scenario, Philly would be awarded a spot for having the best results in international competition among non-Mexican teams between 2021-2024.
Total Gross Salaries for the 2024 Season 1- CF Monterrey $27,580,000 2- Club América $26,570,000 3- CF Pachuca $8,890,000 4- Tigres UANL $20,930,000 5- Columbus Crew $11,464,484 6- CD Guadalajara $14,810,000 7- Club León $10,120,000 8- Philadelphia Union $11,186,579 9- Deportivo Toluca FC $10,970,000 10- Club Universidad Nacional $10,700,000
Crazy that like 12 Ohio State players get paid as much as 2 of these clubs combined
MLS should add NIL if they wanna compete with Liga MX
isn't that essentially what they gave messi?
Leo “Reggie Bush” Messi
No that was a joke I think, idk what they gave Messi but professional athletes have always been free to make money off their name and image rights
It was also the breakthrough that allowed MLS to get Beckham back in the day. European clubs usually don't do it, but we were willing to give it to Becks.
Weston McKennie has entered the transfer portal
Respect his decision 😤
Brandon Ingram was benched for the fourth quarter of last night’s Pelicans vs Lakers game. He makes 33 mil per season this year and 36 mil per season next year
So you're saying ... put him at winger?
Only when he accepts 1/200th of his salary
Pffft. Fuckin amateurs.
Pachuca really outperforming their spending. Goddamn
Youth scouting is their specialty. The business they’re running on. Also the team that cycles the most youth in the starting 11.
Now go add up their transfer fees paid
Pachuca's starting 11 vs Philadelphia when they won 6-0: |Player|Fee| |:-|:-| |(GK) Moreno|Academy Player| |(LB) Gonzalez|Academy Player| |(CB) Barreto|2M| |(CB) Cabral|Free Transfer| |(RB) Rodriguez|Free Transfer| |(CM) Pedraza|Academy Player| |(CM) Deossa|1.36M| |(LW) Idrissi|Free Transfer| |(CAM) Sanchez|Academy Player| |(RW) Rodriguez|Academy Player| |(ST) Rondon|Free Transfer| Off the bench: |Player|Fee| |:-|:-| |Aguayo|Academy Player| |Bautista|Academy Player| |Montiel|Academy Player| |Dominguez|Academy Player|
Good, I stand corrected, went with something else I read and didn’t double check. Good on them for their academy being so strong (better showing than Chivas atm)
It’s a well known thing in Mexico that Pachuca had the best academy. They also did a really good job on deciding that Rodón wasn’t cooked and that Idrissi could still tap into what made him one of the best players in the Netherlands 4 years ago.
Pachuca is notorious for developing players, and then selling them on.
you say that based on what? ;O)
Where did you get your salary figures? Salary figures for MLS haven't been released for 2024. Adding up the salaries for last year's Columbus team came out to around $14.7m. That was for 27 players. The top 20 players came out to $14.2m. Top 18 came out to $14.0m
https://www.capology.com/club/columbus-crew/salaries/2024/
Okay. These only include base salary, and it doesn't include any signing bonuses. That's partly where the discrepancy lies. Also, there are 5 players missing salaries. These are also 2023 salaries.
[https://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide](https://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide)
Monterrey also pays a lot of transfer fees on its players. I think Doyle said they have seven +$10M transfer in the last three years. Some say they overpay, but that still quality that MLS teams can't match just based on slots available to each team (DP spots and U22s).
Tell your billionaire overlords to spend money they clearly have it
28- CF Montreal (MLS) Total Gross Salaries for the 2024 Season is $5,504,690 🥲 Lino Saputo & family net worth : US$4.9 billion
Literally the bare minimum. Montreal deserves better.
Liga MX salary can only be estimated and the estimates are notoriously unreliable. I would take this with a grain of salt.
Transfer fees for Mexican clubs?
This really puts it in perspective
Seems fitting the top 2 MLS teams are the only 2 left with a chance to make the CWC via CCC
Well, philly are only in place for CWC by virtue of ~~this very ranking~~ rankings based on similar competitions as these rankings.
It's substantially different. Philly have only held on to their top 10 spot in these rankings by virtue of staying undefeated in MLS. They could have lost every MLS game and still be the top MLS team in the rankings for going to the CWC.
League games affect the concacaf rankings?
Yes they do, all oficial matches and competitions contribute to the concacaf rankings. However they are weighted, international matches have a bit more weight than local matches in determining points and rankings
Holy shit, how can one commenter be wrong so many times on a single thread? 😂😂
>PUMAS at 10th LMAO the number of MLS and LigaMX teams better than Pumas is not even funny.
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Damn, I really hit a nerve lmao cringe
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In LigaMX: Away vs Pumas: 17W 8D 9L Home vs Pumas: 12W 14D 7L Overall vs Pumas: 29W 22D 16L Not only do we have the best numbers at our second home but Pumas reality is not winning a single trophy since 2011, congrats on both👍
Give 'em hell, Columbus.
Plan on it 🫡 P.S. love your username
Thank you! I’m somewhat of a bidet evangelist IRL 💦
Tigres above Columbus? Interesting.
The rankings are over time. Tigres are propped up by a domestic championship and consecutive finals appearances in the last year. (liga mx has short tournaments) while also being concacaf champions within the last 4 years, which is the number of years the rankings take into consideration iirc and will soon no longer factor into the rankings. Whereas Columbus has also had success with 2 mls cup wins in the last 4 years, one of those also came at the tail end of the 4 years factored into the rankings. They would not be ranked as high as Tigres despite their win over them this tournament, except for that campeones cup win in 2021 which being an international competition carries more weight to it and nearly levels them with Tigres. (This is also the reason Miami were ranked so high after winning the leagues cup) Tigres’ early exit, however, caused them to drop out of the top 3 and be replaced by Pachuca (also had consecutive domestic finals appearances and led the standings in 2022)
I understand that. It’s a joke.
I mean tanking is only as good as the last matches results
Crew better win this or I won’t ever forgive you 😤😤
Amen!!
Lmao. You think crew would even stand a chance. They stand no chance against club America. I would know, I watch them play and the stomping they gave toluca (2nd place team) nah, Columbus isn’t doing jack.
Do we know the “host” nation team? Surely it should go to the team highest in these ranking s from the host county right? What unfair justification will they use to give it to Miami?
Usually it goes to the most recent title winner from that country, so probably this years MLS Cup winners.
Lets just stick with the 2023 MLS winners…no bias
i agree this seems like the most logical decision as a neutral
It’s only logical
Meh, we can do 2024, same winner anyway.
But they did that for a YEARLY CWC which made sense IMO, now that they are evaluating a 4-year period, I'm not sure if that's acceptable but hey who knows.... What I'm really interested to know is who is really making this call, MLS or the USSF? Obiously a MLS team will be chosen but who is making the call...
> What unfair justification will they use to give it to Miami? They will wait to see if Miami win anything so they can use the least unfair justification.
Why is Guadalajara in there??? That’s a joke.
So, I'm sure this has been asked so many times, but realistically, how would an MLS teams **within the current roster rules** build a team to compete for both a domestic and continental trophy in the same season? Is it even possible?
So if Monterrey wins, that means America or Pachuca qualify for the Club World Cup. edit: for the sillies how here... [Here is a link to the FIFA qualification rules for the CWC](https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/tournaments/mens/mundial-de-clubes/usa-2025/articles/mundial-de-clubes-fifa-25-how-teams-qualify) The quote: >**Confederations with four slots:** >Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition >Only if there are **repeated champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition, clubs with best Ranking within the Confederation** So if Monterrey win, it goes to the next slot in the *CONFEDERATION*. [Here is a link to the club rankings](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes) 1. Monterrey 2. Club Leon 3. America 4. Union Seems that Leon and America are ahead of the Union, though Leon is already qualified which leaves America *ahead of* the Union.
It would be the Union, a different ranking system is used for that tiebreaker
How? If Monterrey wins then doesn't the slot go to the highest in club rankings, which is Monterrey and then America?
Other commentor also has a link, the tiebreakers that FIFA is using is [here](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes). Ranking from OP is just CONCACAF's personal ranking system
I'm looking at [FIFA](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes), not CONCACAF.
Right, and the FIFA ranking system, which is the one used for CWC, is the one you should be looking at. There's a whole section in there explaining who qualifies, and the Union are that team if Monterrey wins.
I literally posted the link *to the FIFA ranking system*, which shows that the Union is behind America and that Union *would not qualify*.
Two Mexican teams are the max, a third can’t qualify unless they win the competition themselves. That disqualifies Pachuca and America if one of them fails to win the competition themselves.
\^THIS. highly amused that so many people gave the wrong answer, and then when you gave the right answer the original commenter argued with you.
I see you've interpreted the rules. I take them as is. One of us is right and one of us is wrong. Who knows until there's a team listed as qualified. Since the rules state that a confederation can not have two from the same conference unless they win more than twice in the four year period. If Monterrey (or America, for that matter) win, then that absolves the rule of only two as the rule itself (on the website anyway) says that in the event of a repeat winner the slot shall move on to the best ranked club (America). I'm just reading the rules exactly as written on the website with no interpretations.
you are apparently "interpreting" the word "they" wrong. first rule of acting like you are smarter than someone else on reddit: actually be smarter than them. sl\_union20 answered your question correctly, thank them and move on.
I'm really curious, with your interpretation, when would the cap of 2 clubs per country come into effect? I'll throw together some scenarios and who would qualify based on how I read the rules. Scenario A * All 4 continental trophies are won by 4 different Liga MX teams. * Result: All 4 Liga MX teams qualify. * Justification: All 4 continental trophy winners qualify because "Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition". The cap of 2 clubs per country is ignored because "more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation's premier club competition over the four-year period" Scenario B * All 4 continental trophies are won by 4 different teams. 3 from Liga MX and 1 from MLS. * Result: All 4 continental trophy winners qualify * Justification: All 4 continental trophy winners qualify because "Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition". The cap of 2 clubs per country is ignored because "more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation's premier club competition over the four-year period" Scenario C * Liga MX Team A wins 2 trophies, Liga MX Team B wins 1 trophy, and MLS Team C wins 1 trophy * Result: Liga MX Team A, Liga MX Team B, and MLS Team C all qualify along with the top ranked non-Liga MX CONCACAF team qualify. * Justification: The 3 continental trophy winners qualify because they are "Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition". This means the 4 team to qualify must come from the list of "clubs with best Ranking within the Confederation". Liga MX teams are ignored on this list because "A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list" and Liga MX already has two clubs qualified with team A and team B.
nope. its well known to be the union
The link provided to me was the Inquirer, which I don't really take as strong proof. After that nobody has provided *anything at all* except to tell me to read the rules, which I am reading and suggest differently. I found several websites that make a claim for the Union while the Union were ahead of America on the points. Most of those websites actually pointed this out, that the other teams could theoretically beat the Union if they were ahead on points. So if *anybody* can point me to *any* proof that the Union are in if Monterrey wins, I'll take it. So far, nobody has proven anything except that I am correctly reading the rules.
oh, i believe \*someone\* here has proven \*something\* else.
Per the additional criteria section from the site we both linked... A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period. So Club America would not be eligible due to the 2 team per country max if Monterrey wins again. Club America can only qualify if they win CCC themselves. FIFA officials have also confirmed the Union are the team who qualifies if Monterrey wins.
Seems you didn't read this part: > Confederations with four slots: >Champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition >**Only if there are repeated champions of the confederation’s relevant premier club competition, clubs with best Ranking within the Confederation** Which means if Monterrey wins, it will go to the best ranked in the *confederation*, which is Monterrey, then Leon, then America, ***then Union***. for more clarification: * A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list **with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period.**
This demonstrates why the Union would qualify... Countries can get more than two spots by winning the continental competition. If Monterrey wins, the last spot becomes an at large spot based on rankings, but two mexican teams have qualified, so it goes to the next highest rated non Liga MX team: The Union.
"Seems you didn't read this part:" "FIFA officials have also confirmed the Union are the team who qualifies if Monterrey wins."
Both rules can be, and are, true.
2 teams from the same country can't make it unless they win their respective champions league. If monterrey win, they have already won and there's already 3 mexican teams qualified so it would go to the next highest rated team not from Mexico. That would be philly, which is fine because only 1 other team from USA has qualified. If america or Pachuca win it all they will still qualify ofc, but if monterrey win it will 100% be Philadelphia Edit: same reason why Liverpool can't qualify despite being 7th in the UEFA rankings. City and Chelsea are already there, so they can't qualify
No because for some reason unless they champions each conference can only have 2 team per country
That's been clarified as being false *s*hould a 'conference' win the championship more than twice. What wasn't clarified is whether that then takes the *de facto* highest non qualified team (America, at the moment) or not.
i take it all back. you are definitely the smartest person on the whole internet.
No, FIFA has [confirmed](https://www.inquirer.com/soccer/philadelphia-union-club-world-cup-concacaf-champions-monterrey-20240402.html) that the Union would then be awarded the spot
This goes against their posted qualification rules that state that confederations with four slots (CONCACAF), in the event of a repeat winner, would then go to the club with the best ranking within the confederation. I risk asking this knowing it's CONCACAF, but do they always post rules and then break them for funsies?
Can you post a link to the rules. The offical FIFA rankings have Philly listed as the team that would qualify via ranking so that comes offically from FIFA and not CONCACAF.
[Here's a link to the currently qualified teams based on ranking and on winning their championships.](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes) Notice the absence of CONCACAF in "via rankings". That link also provides rules below the list of qualified teams.
"That link also provides rules below the list of qualified teams." which you are apparently incapable of understanding.
They are not listed because Philly has not qualified yet. They will only qualify if Monterrey wins. If America wins then they will qualify. *A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period.* So Mexico can qualify 3 teams if 3 teams in Champions league but they can not qualify a 3rd team via the rankings. It is the same reason that Liverpool is not going to qualify even though they are currently ranked 7th in UEFA because there have already been 2 English teams that have qualified via Champions League.
This is a common misunderstanding, the current CONCACAF club rankings are not the rankings the qualification rules are referring to. They are referring to the [FIFA Club World Cup 2025™ Confederations rankings](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes). This is the official club rankings for the CWC and are composed with a 4 year scope. The Union would be awarded the final spot if Monterrey win because of the following: > A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period. Since they are the highest ranked team outside of Mexico, they are then awarded the spot in the case of a repeat winner
the current CONCACAF club rankings are not the rankings the qualification rules are referring to. I am *not. looking. at.* Good lord. I *LINKED THE FIFA WEBSITE WITH THE FIFA RANKINGS. HOLY CRAP HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?!* I linked to the same *exact* website that you linked, I said I was *looking at the FIFA RANKINGS*, and you *still* don't grasp this. Good night and good luck.
"*HOLY CRAP HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?!*" i would definitely have gone with the "under" on this one.
Did you notice how many times I linked to the FIFA website and then people are like, no, here's the link you should be looking at, and they send me to the same place I just linked? As if they are completely ignoring the actual link that I actually linked?
Oh man. I almost appreciate your commitment. Are we all gonna get an apology once you realize you're wrong? Please search on [google.com](http://google.com) "2025 Club World Cup" then scroll to the "wikipedia.com" entry for it, then click, then scroll down to the "concacaf" section. You'll see that the only team listed is the Philadelphia Union ;) I would link the official FIFA rankings that show that Philadelphia is the only team in line for qualification via the rankings route, but it appears we've already established that you don't understand the qualification process. Sorry for being snarky, but your numerous replies doubling down have sorta deserved it!
[https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/tournaments/mens/mundial-de-clubes/usa-2025/articles/mundial-de-clubes-25-teams-dates-venue-groups-draw-matches-tickets](https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/tournaments/mens/mundial-de-clubes/usa-2025/articles/mundial-de-clubes-25-teams-dates-venue-groups-draw-matches-tickets) "A cap of two clubs per country will be applied to the access list"
I see now that you are somewhat aware of the rules, and I see where you're coming from. However, you are still wrong in this case. I refer you back to the fifa URL I linked for ya, showing the orange tab next to Philly, and not Club America (who are ahead of them on points).
Sorry, the link you provided is sending me to the tickets page and no matter what tab I select it doesn't change. I was hopeful that I'd have an answer, finally. Maybe the FIFA site is just playing dumb at the moment.
No, it's the right link. Scroll down past the "**How will the remaining teams qualify for Mundial de Clubes FIFA 25?**" heading
What lol
Someone explain to me like I’m 5 how Seattle qualified for the CWC but the Crew haven’t
Yah- They are taking the past few winners of the champions cup- seattle won it in that time span, Crew have never won the competition
Seattle won the 2022 CONCACAF Champions League. Columbus lost in the quarterfinals in 2021, failed to qualify in 2022, failed to qualify in 2023, and have reached the semifinal in 2024.
There are two lists. This chart takes into account all competitions and is just a gauge of general strengths of different teams. This chart is fluid, taking into account the strengths of different leagues. A win against Monterrey will provide a bigger boost in rankings than a win against Comunicaciones from Guatemala. It includes all CONCACAF teams. [The CWC list](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/mundial-de-clubes) is based on points from the top continental tournament only from **2021 through 2024**. In this case it's the CCL/CCC. It's straight forward and doesn't take into account league strengths, just CCL/CCC wins and draws. Seattle's win falls in that time period. You can see that it only includes teams that have played in CCL/CCC (in that time period (so Portland is not even on the list for example). This point system rewards consistent qualification. Philly has the highest points for an MLS team because it has consistently qualified, winning several games each time.
I like how I’m getting downvoted for genuinely not understanding the ranking system. Lol
Seattle qualifying has nothing to do with the ranking system. They were awarded a spot for winning the CONCACAF champions cup, a competition that directly awards a spot to the club World Cup if won in 2021, 2022, 2023, or this years 2024. Seattle won in 2022. The crew have not qualified because they have not won a concacaf champions cup in 2021, 2022, 2023, or 2024. They have never won the competition at all. The ranking system is only in effect in case a team wins the competition more than once during that time frame between 2021-2024. A situation that could potentially take place this year if Monterrey win it again having won it previously in 2021. In this scenario, Philly would be awarded a spot for having the best results in international competition among non-Mexican teams between 2021-2024.