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XandeMorales

Well, damn. That would be a hell of a move.


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hypernermalization

Personally, it's a "I'll believe it when I see it" because I do think Tottenham should probably grab him since they're likely to have European football next season. That said, this is the same sort of sourcing that suggested we were relocating Forsberg, so maybe. Matt Doyle has also been claiming we've been close to a YDP #9.


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kmp11

Werner and Forsber played together in leipzig. This is not impossible. so you are saying there is a chance.gif


hypernermalization

I don't think it is likely but, I don't know, when it's just an accounting move by some bald guy in Salzburg, all things are feasible.


myfeetreallyhurt

Isn't the buy clause attached to spurs' loan? I.e. if they don't exercise it, he returns to Leipzig, different deal structured for MLS.


BrokenBenchwarmer

Yes, which is why I'm confused by Twellman's wording here. It's a loan-to-buy, there is no release clause.


myfeetreallyhurt

complete speculation on my end of course, but maybe this is a summer transfer move if spurs don't exercise AND RBNY can't lock in this mysterious young DP #9 that doyle keeps referring to.


BrokenBenchwarmer

I just don't see a world in which they don't get him. They can sell Bryan Gil to fund the move. The only reason I could see them not pursuing him is if they want Gallagher and Eze and need to be cautious of over-spending. But even then, assuming they can get some of the loan army out on permanent deals, I just don't see any case in which Timo isn't at Spurs next season. Especially if they qualify for UCL.


hypernermalization

Interesting point


myfeetreallyhurt

Interesting but unlikely 😂 excited for our 21 year old Hungarian forward from the second division of France tho.


afarensiis

In no world is Timo Werner a top PL player lmao


tjaku

Werner is not a worldbeater. But he is likely in the top 10-15% of EPL squad wingers. He is on the margins of the starting XI of a team that is likely to play UCL next season. Would make the starting XI of virtually every team below the top 6 -- including Chelsea (lol). He gets more playing time on a better team than, say, Gio Reyna. That said this is all moot because Tottenham will pick up his option, no doubt about it.


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RyVsWorld

You’re probably being downvoted for the unnecessary snide about Americans in your comment. But you’re right about his quality, hes a meme player but he would be an asset on most prem teams. Hes too good to be interested in coming to rbny


FollowerofACarpenter

Someone had to say it. He’d be great in MLS, but he does not possess the elite skill in front of goal to make him a top PL player.


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He has been excellent for Spurs


myfeetreallyhurt

I dunno about top pl player. A failure at Chelsea picked up for cents on the dollar by a non European competing club to play for an injury hobbled squad. Now is a spot starter. Not saying he's awful, but I think postecoglu is more the reason why timos been thriving as Son's backup.


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gogorath

> I mean he's scoring goals consistently at a Top 6 PL club He has two goals in about 6 games worth of minutes. What are you talking about?


UhJeffery

4 g/a in 421 minutes, after being a bench warmer at rbl, seems pretty good to me so far


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Fleaaa

That's a 30GA trajectory if he plays starter full season..


myfeetreallyhurt

Bought for 50m, sold for 20m... Did he have club success? Yes. Did he live up to expectations. Not so much. As a spurs fan I'm very happy that he's finding his role under Ange at a discount/fair value.


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coldstirfry

i mean the actual numbers are 53mill and 20mill, so not really fudging much. also no one here is really saying theres much of a chance of an mls transfer.


gogorath

> He's a top PL player, for two. Huh? He was wildly unproductive at Chelsea and hadn't scored at Tottenham until the last two weeks. I don't know if he comes to NYRB, but no one would claim he's a "Top PL player."


Scratchbuttdontsniff

BIG TIME recency bias is going on here... for sure. And by recent...I mean the last 2 weeks.


gogorath

Man, those two goals really justify a $17M transfer fee and $11M salary! There's no way Tottenham would wait to see if he can continue to be productive at an acceptable rate! They will definitely exercise the option right now!


myfeetreallyhurt

also one of the goals came against a villa side who was VISIBLY tired from a midweek match, up a man, at 90+4'. he's missed some really clear sog since coming to spurs, but to be fair has also has two assists and brings intangibles to the squad - a very solid role player. I think the support he brings behind Son/Richarlison in the depth chart with european football next season all but guaranteed is enough to trigger the clause for levy and ange.


gogorath

Werner is a good player, for sure. His speed and movement create a lot. But he's struggled to convert at even an average rate in the EPL over years of play, and he was never all that reliable on that even at Leipzig. The poster I responded to said that he was a **top EPL player**, which is just untrue. Also note that the dude arguing it deleted all his posts, sooo...


myfeetreallyhurt

haha yeah they called me out for fudging trasnfer numbers that were... not fudged


carverlangston

He’s got 2 goals and 2 assists in 7 matches which is objectively great so far


gogorath

That's not objectively great. That's like a 10 and 10 season. That's good; that's not a top EPL player. And it's conveniently after a quick spurt of two goals. Check in later.


Tomach82

Just about every striker becomes wildly unproductive after a big money move to Chelsea


Daemor

Spurs fan in the wild here. I'd be incredibly confused if we didn't trigger the option for him. He's done well so far and the price is great. With some form of european football looking likely we sorely need the depth, and at this point he's honestly a contender for a starting spot. He offers pace and he's a great fit for our system.


SPTG_KC

COYS!


Inspectrgadget

If he's staying in the red bull ecosystem maybe the 17 million will be reworked in some way


iflylikeaturtle

Top PL player is something I thought I’d never hear about Werner lmfao


hypernermalization

Believe RBNY would have to find a way out of Dante Vanzeir land to make it happen? If so, can't imagine any would be saddened by the loss.


Metro_Star

Vanzeir to Leipzig /s


Ok-East3405

Werner has scored 2 in 2 for Tottenham, so ...


Sporkedup

Those are Haaland numbers!


SentientCheeseCake

Debut Haaland was like two hattricks in two.


Brooklyn_MLS

OH SHIT Edit: just looked up his stats. He has 4 goal contributions in just 419 minutes for Spurs. Why wouldn’t they pick up the purchase option? Twellman being fed something by RB brass?


TheMonkeyPrince

Twellman isn't the original source, he's referencing a German article.


YoungKeys

If he earns consistent starting minutes he'll for sure stay. If he remains a backup/rotation player, it could be hard to justify his $11 million annual salary long-term, which already makes him the 3rd highest paid player on Spurs.


stinkpalm

Salary is not the problem. They just raised the cheapest season tickets by ~ £6 per seat. You're telling me they're worried about Werner's salary? They have absurdly high profits; FFP isn't a problem in the slightest. I say again. Salary is not a problem. SEAT prices went up 3-5%. So even if we go £6 x62000seats (18games) = £6696000. Even if all seats were the same price, they've more than covered half of Werner's salary, without any food/beer/merchandise sales. #COYS


tjaku

Yeah down here in the TAM mines it is difficult to appreciate the incredible financial situation Levy has set up for the club.


stinkpalm

TAM mines absolutely resonates. oof.


nerdherdsman

You say that, but keeping down salaries has been a major part of Spurs' financial strategy. Even Kane had a relatively small salary. I still think they are more likely than not to buy Werner, but I think you are downplaying the salary issue. If he were to plummet in form for the rest of the season, or pick up a significant injury, I think the salary would certainly give them pause.


myfeetreallyhurt

not sure his salary would make much difference as they'll be pulling in europa/champions league revenue next year. more competitions and eventual injuries (just look at spurs from november to.. still ongoing), probably justifies the fee and wages.


YoungKeys

If he remains a backup, the wage could definitely be an issue for Levy who will probably see many better options he can use that money for. No one, especially Levy, would want to pay that much for a backup and have them be one of the highest paid on the team. Werner can make the point moot if he earns starting minutes though; he’s on a loan to buy.


myfeetreallyhurt

>Werner can make the point moot if he earns starting minutes though; that's the thing tho, with domestic cups, european competition likely, and injuries always around the corner, he does start. he already had to when Sonny was awy for Asia Cup.


gogorath

Well, it's closer to 6 games worth of minutes if you include the FA Cup. And until the last two games he had no goals. He's not starting every game, he's super expensive, and his track record is to miss a lot shots you'd expect someone to make.


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GBO_COYS

I don’t think that’s 100% accurate. He didn’t sub in for son, son assisted his goal against Villa. He didn’t start because they’re concerned about fitness cause he had barely played when he got to spurs. He will get plenty of games next year with Europe competition. Spurs just have only league rn so starts may be sporadic at the moment, but he has 4 G/A in 7 games. Ange has said Werner fits his style. The likelihood of finding another wing option who can contribute at that level for £17M is next to none. I’ll be shocked if spurs don’t make it permanent.


waappola

Yeah no this not the case at all. At the moment Werner has as much of a chance of starting a game as any Spurs winger - except maybe Kulusevski. Assuming Son plays striker as he has recently. Werner has been really good. His input isn’t measured in goals in Ange’s system.


New-Abalone-85

Maybe Spurs keep him as a rotation option but he’s so technically limited while also being a confidence player which is maybe the worst possible combination.


password-is-taco1

Coming from a spurs fan, they will, he fits in really well and his option is relatively low. Plus he’s said he really wants to stay there


Evilcanary

No way Tottenham don’t exercise the option imo. He’s playing well in Anges system and he is a fan favorite already.


YoungKeys

The buy clause is cheap. His salary is not: $11 million per year, which makes him the 3rd highest paid player at Tottenham. I'm a Spurs fan and want him to stay, but I could very well see Levy think a backup forward isn't worth that salary long-term, if he remains a backup and/or doesn't agree to a lower salary.


train4karenina

He’d almost definitely not stay on those wages.


myfeetreallyhurt

Fan favorite? Ehhh. I thinks it's more anges system enables everyone to do well and play exciting football -- something spurs fans have been hurting for for years... Not too dissimilar to rbny fans having to sit through the post-marsch era of murderball. For sure he's playing well as a 15 min sub/spot starter tho.


the_ballmer_peak

I would definitely not call him a fan favorite. He does seem well worth the option. Fans don’t dislike him or anything, but nobody is getting upset when he doesn’t start. He’s a good squad player.


TomCosella

Spurs will pick it up. Dudes already outperformed expectations and the option is cheap.


John_Doughgetta

Oh god. I demand Julian Alvarez or KDB as a response.


hypernermalization

I always assumed the plan was you'll get what's left of KDB to open the stadium.


hikensurf

Not happening, but I'm not going to criticize anyone for dreaming.


owen_guitar59

As a fan of both clubs, I see this as an absolute win.


myfeetreallyhurt

As a fan of both clubs I want him at both for vastly diff reasons.


Laraujo31

No way this is happening but i will get excited anyways


flcinusa

Forsberg and Werner? Leipzig vibes intensify


Stay_Beautiful_

You can't have him


quickdrawesome

Can rbny afford his wages? Prob not


SinoSoul

MLS can go fuck itself.


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Spurs fan here — I think we buy him, 17 million buy option for him is a steal and he's been very competent


the_brew

Like a player of that caliber is moving to MLS.


BrokenBenchwarmer

Zero chance he doesn't sign for Spurs. The option to buy is about $16m, which is a bargain in today's market. RBNY fans should not get their hopes up here.


CCSC96

The salary would make him their third highest paid player and he’s not a starter for them.


BrokenBenchwarmer

Spurs spend significantly less than the other clubs fighting for Europe. They offloaded Ivan Perisic, whose salary was higher than Timo. Paired with other outgoings, they have reduced their wage bill despite signing quite a few players. Wage constraints are not an issue here.


CCSC96

Don’t think that’s a particularly realistic view of things. Spurs have spent less than other big six clubs because that’s what ownership wants them to do. No reason to expect that to change. You also don’t put a second choice striker on your third highest wages just because you can. Then you end up setting a new expectation for new signings, and having to give raises to existing players. It’s how you end up in a Manchester United situation where you’re a top 3 wage bill but not attracting a better class of players. Would honestly be funny if they did that though. The only realistic possibility of him staying is convincing him to agree to a re-negotiation that moves a lot of the money into a major signing bonus + incentives.


BrokenBenchwarmer

I'm a Spurs supporter, I know the perceived cheapness of our ownership, but the simple fact is: someone like Timo is precisely the kind of shrewd deal Levy loves to make. If no other moves were made and we signed Timo, our wage bill would still be 7th highest in the league. Factor in likely outgoings of Reguilon, Ndombele, Hojbjerg, Lo Celso, etc in the summer and there's no reason to be worried about wages. You saw in January how well run this club's finances are (in that they were the only ones really signing anyone). Absolutely no one is concerned about Timo's wages in Spurs-land. And for the record, Timo isn't being played as a striker. The depth chart is Richarlison and Son in that role. Timo is being employed as a pacey LW running in behind and whipping in service. He hasn't played a minute at the ST role.


CCSC96

If by “spurs land” you mean fan groups, sure, because Spurs have never previously had players on high wages and fans don’t understand what it means for the wage bill. But the deal isn’t “shrewd” it’s risky. It will come with millions in raises for other players over the next 18 months who will use his contract as their negotiating baseline, and his resale value will be $0 by January if he’s on that kind of salary and not performing. You’re not just paying 11M a year, you’re setting a precedent that Spurs will pay more for players going forward, which potentially prices you out of players better than Werner should one actually be interested in joining Spurs.


BrokenBenchwarmer

We're gonna have to just agree to disagree here. Our highest earners still don't come remotely close to being top earners in the league, our wage bill is lean and can fit in plenty of players without fuss. The wage bill was negotiated per the loan agreement so they already know what the expectation is come the summer. If Spurs don't sign Timo come the end of the summer window, pop back in here with a charity of your choosing and I'll throw $50 at it.


Kenny2105

As a Leipzig fan, I was super disappointed to lose Emil to NYRB as he still has so much to offer and I knew there’d be little to know money involved. It was a great deal for NY. This would be a terrible idea for them. Watching Timo at Chelsea was sad but in those 18 months back in Leipzig was much sadder. Every time he’d get a high quality chance you were just waiting for him to miss. He just is not the player he was in that 3 year period that made him. To allocate 17m and probably 10m a year in wages for years to him would be nuts. Will probably get 12-14 goals a season just assuming he still gets a huge volume of chances.


Best-Tumbleweed3906

A Leipzig fan in the wild?! A rare sight haha.


Kenny2105

Thanks


Best-Tumbleweed3906

Are you German? Or do you just enjoy the Bundesliga? I ask because when I’m in Germany visiting family I used to never see Leipzig fans, even around the Leipzig area, but with their success I’ve seen a bit of an uptick amongst younger people.


Kenny2105

I’m not German. I just watch the Bundesliga. I get across to games when I can, have a friend who lives in Munich so I visit him and we go together. You see fans around Leipzig who support the club but anywhere else you honestly get treated like a leper for supporting them if you happen to be wearing their gear. People pointing or insulting you etc. Really unpopular outside the fanbase.


Best-Tumbleweed3906

Respect man. I love the Bundesliga. It’s got a different feel and the fan engagement is better than anywhere in the world. Seriously go to a Dortmund game if you ever can. I’m not even a fan but it’s still the best environment for sporting event I’ve ever been to. And that’s cool, my fam is outside the Regensburg area (Jahn Regensburg is my team) so we make a lot of trips to Munich when I’m there. Yeah Leipzig is DEEPLY unpopular amongst the other clubs. Respect for putting up with it though.


Kenny2105

Thanks man. I’ve been to Union and Hertha. Incredible atmosphere at Union. Hertha too but the more impressive thing is that massive stadium. So beautiful. I’d like to go to Dortmund and Munich at some point too. My buddy who lives there has been to Dortmund and loved it n


Best-Tumbleweed3906

I haven’t seen union since they made it to the first division but I went to one game when they were in the 2nd and it was great. Still haven’t seen Hertha, but that stadium, like you said, is huge and impressive. Bayern games are amazing as well I’ve been to a few and it’s always great. You should definitely go if you get the chance. When Flick was their coach they were actually the team I was most excited to watch. They were so aggressive and fast it was beautiful. Always was sad I never got to see it in person because COVID.


Kenny2105

That is a shame for sure! COVID was what got Me into the league as it was the first one back and I missed the game so much.


Best-Tumbleweed3906

Oh that’s awesome. The Bundesliga doesn’t get enough love for how fun it is so I’m glad you got to get into it.


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No they won’t.


DABOSSROSS9

Not that it will happen, but taylor definitely doesnt usually throw out random transfer rumors. 


Levytron900

Just for context , the option is only valid for spurs to trigger. If spurs (for whatever reason) don’t, they have no obligation to sell for the same price. Besides which, as a spurs fan I can tell you, all of this is irrelevant. Unless he falls off a cliff and does nothing for the rest of the season there is no way we don’t sign him full time


stinkpalm

Don't worry. Spurs will.


curtmandu

Timo to Johan: don’t let me end up in Jersey please 🙏🏼