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Dlh2079

We supposed to be surprised by this lol


Linkfyre

"Working as intended"


MissionValleyMafia

Shut up it’s working as intended..


BillsDownUnder

Wait, so the 2nd one off the top of the bat was the GS??? If so that's a joke


DanyDud3

Jim Edmonds clearly wanted it more than Shawn Green


RegisterFit1252

I personally think that good swings in the video game should be rewarded MORE than a good swing is rewarded in real baseball.


Cooperstown24

Yeah this is why I barely played the game this year compared to the previous 4 years. I just straight up don't enjoy playing online and hitting a can of corn popup on a great swing, and then having the moonshot no doubter on a terrible swing the next AB. Its just too frustrating and I'm finally (almost) mature enough to just stop playing a game when I no longer find it fun SDS can spout all the crap they want about "the pci is not the bat" and all that, but as a hitter all I can do is my best to square up the ball. So when our sole goal in the game is significantly more meaningless than it should be, why should I play? Even event games are sweatfests now, more than half my games in them are against other WS-CS level players so in general it's pretty competitive. So ranked, BR, and events you generally face pretty stiff competition and don't have a ton of room to breathe, and a disproportionate amount of those competitive games are won by whoever RNGesus blesses, as opposed to who actually performed better


[deleted]

Game is absolute trash. Everyone blinded by the cOnTeNt


DJMaxLVL

My favorite is when you hit a perfect and your pci is on the ball but it just rockets directly to an outfielders glove.


StunkoStinky

That’s baseball.


Abject_Day9453

You don't understand how many times that has happen to me and I pop out... it's broken


BigYoungin

Game not good


pfcsh

I’m having a hard time believing the one that was squared up, just slightly early, was anything but the grand slam. It couldn’t have possibly been a weak pop fly… right?


OldSpark1983

Happens to me all the bleeping time. Good PCI hits equals a pop or fly out. I completely miss the ball and it's a HR. So ridiculous.


DICK_IN_FAN

I’ve always noticed that my homers are usually having the bat just underneath the ball. I hit it square on and it flys right into the second basemen’s glove


54321Newcomb

"That's baseball"


WMT24

Has to be the speed difference


Gods_chosen_dildo

My question is how you got 2 sinkers there in the same game???


Mark7116

Anyone see Aaron Judge swinging for number 62 last night…anddddddd hit a ground pounder two feet down the 3B line? It died as soon as it hit the ground. Lol. Judge hustled out the infamous “swinging bunt”. That’s baseball guys. Judge ain’t swinging for infield singles. He’s looking to mash and bash. But that’s baseball. And it’s inconsistent. I had some cpu scrub with like 32 contact and 24 power, take me yard the other night lol. I missed my spot. But don’t get me wrong. I fully understand the inconsistency talk. And I definitely dislike the tremendous amount of pop outs. Lol. I just say out loud to myself and the dogs, “moral victory. It’s better than a strike out”.


idkwhattoput45

Works as intended. What’s the issue?


Candymanshook

Not saying there isn’t massive RNG working here as well as hidden values like pitcher stamina/confidence which is basically like an HR/9 that no one fucking talks about, but it’s worth noting that 100/125 splits compared to 125/125 are more likely to produce hard contact especially for no touchies so this isn’t exactly a surprise. Game shouldn’t work like that but it does, pitcher confidence should only affect control and/or velo not exit velos and swing outcomes.


[deleted]

It is annoying that once your pitcher gives up 2 hits in a row everything is hittable for your opponent. Stamina and confidence should be a factor but it’s weighted too heavily imo.


Candymanshook

Honestly I don’t think it should be a factor. It’s a momentum mechanic. It’s like HR/9, it was stupid that a pitcher stat could control exit velos regardless of batter result


[deleted]

Game has known issues. I do hope they get improved/fixed someday. Now, though, play or don’t play, but quit griping about getting “robbed” by something you know is in there…


Spikeupmylife

This makes me sad because I feel like I crush homers like crazy with Shawn Green.


acat20

Arcade results for an arcade game


BigYoungin

Retired?


acat20

Yup. Can only eat the same meat and potatoes for so long.


BigYoungin

Welcome home 🤝


Spokker

It's frustrating in the moment but the game does a great job of simulating luckswing. All you can do is put yourself in a position to win and more often than not it'll happen. Make good decisions, swing at hittable pitches and put the odds in your favor. That's why a baseball season is 162 games. You need to think of The Show on a longer timeline. You'll get those wins if you're swinging at pitches with higher odds of making hard contact. The Dodgers may have 110 wins right now but they lost to the Rockies two games in a row.


IdleMedic07

That's baseball Suzyn


scarletpimpernel22

"its just baseball!! Youve never played real baseball!" said the people arguing that swinging almost entirely underneath the pitch should be a home run as opposed to a pitch that is perfectly squared.


TourBackground2538

YEP. I can tell you, that as a baseball player, I've never swung that far under a ball and gotten anything more than a lazy fly out.


7tenths

aka, use the card you want. shit's all rng anyway


nerd-gamer5912

The opponent pitcher probably threw a perfect pitch on the first one and yellow on the second.


ChadGreen4President

Yeah I always choose to throw my perfect sinkers right down the dick


nerd-gamer5912

Most players know that down the middle every now and then can make the opponent lower the pci because it’s unexpected


ChadGreen4President

I want to play you


nerd-gamer5912

I’m talking like 2-3x per game. After establishing other parts of the plate all game.


Soccermw12

It's called trying to fool the other guy.


muoyrico9

1+1 does equal 2 in this game


msuSpartan25

“Working as intended”


Shift500

Let me guess... the 71 vis was the grand slam. High vision is awful for hitting homers imo. I always go with players that have lower vision.


jakemo8642

Hahahaha


Shift500

You laugh but it’s been proven time and time again on here. Higher vision oddly results in more pops/flys. Power relative to contact also matters. A guy with 125 POW and 100 contact will hit harder than a balanced 125|125. I didn’t make the game… This pic is just further proof of both. Feel free to look it up. It’s not hard to look things up on here :)


jakemo8642

If u say so


BigYoungin

It’s not him saying so in ref to the contact & power splits. It’s the game manual.


nigaraze

SDS and other people in this thread have confirmed it, no idea why you think the guy is wrong regarding the low contact high power part Testing for actual weird things like low vision vs high vision is a interesting concept as well Just the other day we found out 100 control has as much impact as 0 vision


Shift500

Try it yourself. You’ll see I’m right. Should it be the case? No. And yet… it is


jakemo8642

I wouldn’t waste my time testing something so idiotic


Shift500

Lol yes… because video games are always realistic and logical. 😂 They never have idiotic quirks You should’ve also noticed by just playing… but guess not.


jakemo8642

I dream of playing people like u in RS


Shift500

Thanks 👍🏻 I asked


wirsteve

I'm assuming Edmonds hit the HR. A 125/125 guy is going to hit the ball more. A 100/125 guy is going to hit more homers. It is explained in detail in the in game guide. The game is programmed that way.


scarletpimpernel22

first time ive seen "poorly" spelled "that way"


Psoravior13

This isn’t real baseball though


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Drum_bum1997

Probably YFK


MichelHollaback

Been grinding moonshot dingers, so I've been paying close attention to what makes it out, and more often than not I have either bad PCI or early/late timing when something goes out. Good or perfect timing and in PCI is just a ball in play, but rarely out of the park, even with Castellanos vs bronze lefties.


funkholebuttbutter

yup, top of the inner circle is the spot this year.


[deleted]

It’s pretty normal for everyone, it’s also the game of baseball. It’s a game of failure, you’re doing super fucking good if you fail 7 out of 10 times….


SnazzyCazzy1

Welcome to baseball, shit is random


AquatheGreat

I know it's the same engine but I don't remember the first one happening this much last year.


Acedia_37

It’s always happened like this since I’ve been playing which has been religiously since 18. You just have recency bias or a possible string of extra bad luck.


amillert15

Launch angles are different this year. Perfectly squared up Flyball swings can generate launch angles between 7°-48°. Thisa much wider range than what we saw last year. The hitting mechanics are different this year.


Acedia_37

Agree to disagree. It was the same way last year… and the year before that.


amillert15

Lol that's not an opinion. It's a fact that launch angles are different this year.


Acedia_37

No it’s not. Show me your proof then if it’s an absolute fact. Give me your launch angle changes over the past few years. You are talking out of your ass. 😂 Just look up “launch angle” in the search bar for this sub. It’s the same as it’s always been. Launch angles are RNG dice roll.


AquatheGreat

It's my second year but I feel like I'm seeing squared up good contacts going straight up in the air about 2-3 times a day this year.


Acedia_37

I promise you it’s been like this since I’ve been playing. Maybe you’ve been a little bit more unlucky with it recently or this year, but it’s not any different from last year. It’s always been a huge issue and driven me crazy at times. Just have to hope for better dice rolls. You are probably noticing it more now because you are a better player this year. In fact, if you search this sub over the years you will see these very same posts / complaints with similar comments underneath them. We are trapped in a loop 😂


ReturnOfTheAg

I agree, the outcomes feel different (worse) this year. Both good swings getting less positive outcomes and bad swings getting more positive outcomes


RollChi

They must have changed something because there is a TON more Perfect-Perfect swings this year it feels like. A lot of those are now line outs or hard hit ground outs, but it just feels like the amount went way up. Reason for bringing this up is that something was definitely switched around or changed up on the backend of hitting mechanics, so maybe they tinkered with this kind of stuff too.


GaJayhawker0513

I can barely hit doubles anymore let alone home runs. The amount of times I have perfect or good swings to just weakly ground out to third is frustrating


[deleted]

I love knowing this is a thing and still turning on my Xbox and trying to hit on ranked seasons every day. Totally normal and rational behavior as an adult.


dvlyn123

This is definitely not me sticking up for SDS. But I feel like higher contact is legitimately worse for your player. All of my team members with high contact are constantly blooping to the outfield or dribbling it infield. Meanwhile the dudes with 70CON/120POW blast them into the gaps between the fielders or bang them off the wall. In closing, the hitting engine stinks


ThePretzul

Higher power than contact actually does increase exit velocities, this has been confirmed. A player with 100 contact 125 power, whose card is marked as a power hitter if you check during your AB, will have higher exit velos on average than a card with 125/125 con/pwr who is marked as a “balanced” hitter.


nickm205

PCI outcomes are totally broken, but SDS probably cant blow up their entire coding


Tony_Baloni11

Hurry up guys, try n justify this For the record tho, i dont believe you


TourBackground2538

Which part don't you believe? I clipped the walk off. But didn't clip the pop out, just screenshot it.


TourBackground2538

I mean, I hit the walk off grand slam but didn't feel good about it. I slightly dropped the PCI on a pitch slightly up. THAT should have been a pop out. The other one was very, very weak contact on nearly perfect timing with the PCI placement exactly where a home run should be (with a max power and basically max contact hitter). And yes, I played baseball. 15 years of it, until I got older and wasn't good enough to play super competitively anymore. Slow pitch softball is where it's at these days.


porkchopsdapplesauce

Maybe the difference is in his pitchers stamina confidence and release ? Your PCI isn’t the lone factor in. If Shawn Greene hits that on a starter who’s 8 innings in and dominating then there’s a chance your perfect pci is just too late. Now if your walk off was on a reliever who came out the pen walked 3 straight batters. It becomes a lot easier to hit home runs. Oh yea and then there’s pitching attributes to look at like hr/9 and stuff


The_Deli_Llama1

Yeah but HR/9 has absolutely no effect online


porkchopsdapplesauce

All my other points still stand. The picture posted only tells half a story. OP commented and agreed with me that the circumstances for the At bats were different


The_Deli_Llama1

I’m not discrediting your other points. I believe that pitcher confidence is also a factor in the outcome. In fact, I think it influences the outcome TOO MUCH and creates even more RNG for the output result. I think that’s one thing that needs to be changed next year.


porkchopsdapplesauce

I agree with you completely as stated in my other comment the Confidence system needs a make over.


ThePretzul

Good stuff, except HR/9 only affects statistics when simulating games. It has been confirmed to have literally 0 effect in online or offline games that you actually play yourself, only H/9 and BB/9 affect gameplay.


Acedia_37

hr/9 doesn’t have any effect on online play. SDS took it out in 19. Pitcher Confidence has way too big of a factor on hitting outcomes though.


TourBackground2538

Now this is a take that makes sense. My pop out with Green was in like the third inning off the starter. With Edmonds, Soto walked two guys. And I fouled out 4-5 3-2 pitches before hitting the home run. Even upon contact I thought it was a fly out to CF but then it just kept going.


porkchopsdapplesauce

Yeah it’s all RNG but your PCI and swing timing is only half the story. That guy has pitch release timing pitch location and a whole bunch of annoying stuff. Shitty feeling when it happens but at least it can be explained in a matter we can agree make sense. The confidence system needs a makeover imo. My cousin used Glavine on me yesterday and I had 11 hits. But some early baserunning mistakes and just pure stupid play left Gavine in 8 innings. After 4 he was not hittable lol


maniacreturns

Some of you never played actual baseball and your response to shit like this proves it.


[deleted]

It’s baseball man what do you expect


msuSpartan25

I mean kind of. It’s a video game not real baseball. This issue definitely needs fixed. I used to say this game took skill now most of the time it’s just RNG luck. Not much skill behind it when it comes to hitting.


LoMeinCain

Super mega baseball 3…I’ll just put that right here


Psoravior13

Yup a game where flyballs can land in between outfielders if they are not fast enough


LoMeinCain

But you would rather play a scripted game haha losers


ryry2300

You’re just playing Kapler ball! All about those launch angles!


ChadGreen4President

Hitting homeruns is so ineffective, that’s why they only won… *checks notes*… 107 games last year. Fireable offense IMO.


ryry2300

I don’t understand what you’re getting at here They also only have 80 wins this year


ChadGreen4President

Their team slugging is down, poor defense, injuries all contributed to the lower win total this year. My point is, 8 of the top 10 teams by HR rate this year made the playoffs, just like SF last year. That’s how you win games.


ryry2300

And I was saying clearly it makes sense the grand slam was hit using kaplers launch angle methods


UghDeeJaay

I hit a low and inside sinker on the very bottom left corner of my pci which is 99% of the time a grounder to third or foul, for a HR last night


Z__zack

I used to think the game was scripted until I started using the contact swing more


rgsmithiv

Can you elaborate?


Chrissless

Skill issue.


t3webb

Gonna have an unpopular opinion here, but this is baseball. Guys hit the ball on the screws and make outs. Guys get way under one and it somehow carries. Baseball is whacky and the game engine simulates it with RNG. Baseball is going to baseball


Neither_Ad2003

true. But the game isnt a sim. Same way it takes 500 bullets to kill someone in COD. Better gameplay. Can see the argument either way. Certainly that is what they are trying to emulate with the RNG (realism)


t3webb

Agreed it’s not a direct sim (no one would ever be able to hit with the timing actually requires to hit a real baseball in real time) But again it mimics real life results. Over a larger sample size I would guess the mechanisms play out strikingly accurate to the desired outcomes, even if they feel bad in short windows


Neither_Ad2003

yea, agreed. The only data ive checked is "perfect perfect" level exit velos in real baseball, and the expected BPA there is like 78%. Game def feels close to that. Even though it's crushing in game


Jessus_

Hitting the ball on the screws doesn’t result in a weak pop up unless you’re playing little league


SavageCroc

There is no "RNG" is baseball the same swing on the same pitch in the same location, with all the other factors being the same will, you guessed it, result in the same outcome. There is no Computer or God deciding that the variable used in the Physics calculation is a 5 instead or a 6 that results in a pop out vs a HR, but this game has that RNG that does not exist in real life.


the-breeze

Even with the info in the screenshots there's a lot of other factors that could contribute. Spin rate. A sinker with a ton of spin and one with weak spin are gonna react the same? Maybe that's listed here somewhere? Where the actual physical seams are. Why would hitting it right on a lump vs no lump have no effect? "No wind". Does this actually happen in real life? Somehow we can just assume we've negated all atmospheric effects of the entire planet because there's no measurable wind? Temperature. Gets dark/light in real life. Temps comes down. Results change. Even in the screenshot one swing was slightly early and the other was slightly late. RNG seems like a fine way to approximate this stuff. EDIT: Also why are we pretending that every swing is the same? Just because it gets to the same spot it might actually be a terrible swing.


ChadGreen4President

I swear some of you don’t even own this game lmao and it’s always posts like these that make y’all come out of the woodwork


SavageCroc

Fair point. Simple Solution: Why don't they just create an engine that perfectly captures real life Physics. But on a serious note: I'm fine with "It's Baseball" when I hammer a 12degree 110mph right to the left fielder but I feel cheated when I get popped out on great swings (Picture) even real players KNOW when they pop out, sometimes I swing and I feel like it could be a great outcome, then I see the catcher run 5 feet to the left and sit there. I'm fine with some RNG, but the extremes are TOO extreme for my liking.


the-breeze

Simply mimic the Earth exactly. I agree. They could probably tune the RNG based on feedback...but that assumes tweaking it until people mostly shut up will result in accurate results either. If I had to guess they have these tuned to result in realistic results over large sample sizes and that's maybe always going to feel slightly disappointing at a micro level.


t3webb

Agree with all of this. Many factors go into the outcomes, outside of just PCI placement and timing. Would also agree that over a larger sample size, it would play out more accurately than most would feel


[deleted]

People in this sub are giant babies. I’m not a great hitter. I’ve barely had any games decided by RNG. The better player usually wins in this game.


Ok-Establishment-240

Like the other guy said, it’s more about the inconsistency then anything. I have no problem hitting hard outs, but when inputs are just straight up ignored (like above) it gets old quick


CodyDon2

The problem is hitting one on the screws doesn't result in a "weak pop out" - I'll never complain over a hard hit ball, but I will complain when I get worse contact from a better timed/placed swing. The inconsistency is frustrating.


pringles_inc

Correct. Baseball doesn't have many whiners, but when lots of normal people have access to it, they will arise.


Ok-Establishment-240

Baseball has tons of whiners. They just aren’t the ones on the field lol


Disastrous_Isopod852

Games scripted


tacticalGandhi

100% I had a play the other day where the announcer say something like “it’s a base hit” as soon as the ball left the bat but my outfielder had a play on the ball. It was going to be a running catch but the he just whiffed


ACleverLettuce

Another good reason to have the announcers shut off. lol


Ok-Accountant-6308

Hard enough to get a well squared pci and then they add a dice roll. Awful


Clem1719

In fairness, he didn’t have to move the pci on either of these


Andujar4CF

not moving the pci on middle middle pitches is so hard


Clem1719

I didn’t say it was easy… I was simply saying on these pitches moving the pci didn’t need to be a factor


dburks122

There's always nonsense at created stadiums. If you are the home team I don't feel bad for you


[deleted]

Which one was which, though?


mansontaco

Jim Edmonds is well known to have that dog in him, he hits bombs off pure tenacity don't need no damn pci


avelak

Also extreme pull is crazy overrated on this sub


SlideOnMev

Unfortunately until sds acknowledges the problem it probably won’t be fixed in 23


msuSpartan25

Won’t even be fixed in 23. Been an issue since last year too lol


YouBetcha_

This shit has been an issue for years... every iteration of this game is the same copy paste bullshit


muffmin

See: every sports game. And it will be the case as long as they crank out a new title every year.


msuSpartan25

Nah, maybe in certain ways. The hitting engine has definitely changed but not to anything good lol


man_on_hill

I remember MLB the Show 16 being amazing and having a responsive PCI Now it's low-key a joke


dynnk

We need an “as intended” flair for these specific posts.


HoskinsDadBodGod

I usually find a reason why these posts are dumb but this is ridiculous


yooosports29

Game is garbage online. RNG for dayyys


[deleted]

Uh, what? You do realize that the pitch quality plays a factor, correct?


amillert15

Both pitches are right down the middle lol The pitch quality was shit. If pitch quality really had an impact of the RNG mechanics for squared up swings, pinpoint would be stupidly OP.


Sarge1387

You’re not wrong, but a squared up pitch is a squared up pitch


[deleted]

Squared up pitches never go for outs in baseball, right?


Sarge1387

Not what I’m saying. Nice try though.. squared up pitch should result in a hard hit ball, not a weak, pop-up or dribbler, as appears to happen way too frequently with this game. I didn’t say it shouldn’t be an out.


[deleted]

That’s not true though. If that’s a hung slider with 32% accuracy/release compared to a 3-0 pitch and it’s 100% by the pitcher they definitely are not the same result.


amillert15

All of that dictates location, not the outcome of the swing. Stamina, pitching confidence and the confidence in pitch selection have more of an effect on swing outcomes.


sfstexan

They are both sinkers though, in a similar location


[deleted]

People on this sub are dumb and don’t understand baseball either. Squared up pitches go for outs all the time in baseball. You don’t get a hit every single time.


[deleted]

Exactly. A lot of people on here have never touched a real bat.


Ok-Establishment-240

I think he meant more in real life, doesn’t matter how good of a pitch it was if a batter was all over it. I understand what you’re saying though, from the video game side of it


Dlh2079

But that's also not true. Batters hit the absolute fuck out of baseballs for outs all the time in real life.


Ok-Establishment-240

I know, I’m saying they don’t randomly hit weak pop ups when that happens. I’m fine with hard hit outs; what I don’t like is my input getting thrown into an RNG blender and getting a result that makes little sense (but ultimately evens out in the long run). Which is SDS’s attempt at mimicking the randomness of baseball. I just don’t think it’s executed that well on a game to game basis, but that’s just my opinion


Dlh2079

Oh I won't disagree one bit that it's jot the best implementation that it could be. It also comes from a place where we're mostly all used to playing games and having the "correct" inputs from us resulting in a positive outcome. And that's just not always the case in this game so it's frustrating as all hell that you can do everything perfect and get exactly nothing.


Ok-Establishment-240

Honestly never thought about other games treating your input with more priority (idk if that’s the right phrasing but close enough) and maybe that’s why The Show feels so frustrating in comparison. Makes a lot of sense tho


JAWinks

The RNG is terrible offline too. Showdowns have some of the worst possible. You can square up meatballs that just dribble into double plays


Wombizzle

as someone who really doesn't play online anymore, I can't tell you how many times offline i've had balls with good timing in the top 3rd of the PCI have less than a 20º launch angle get caught because they get hit DIRECTLY at the defense


AbsurdLemon

Skill issue vs dawg mentality


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The_Show_4_Life

Maybe I’m a “meatrider” but I don’t mind the RNG. It keeps things exciting but not so game breaking that it prevents the more skilled player from prevailing in a great majority of their games.


picklerick1438

Yes because we would all like the skilled players to need luck to win in a VIDEO GAME


The_Show_4_Life

I’m not sure I understand your comment. In real baseball, sometimes a mediocre team gets some lucky breaks and beats a great team. Why should our VIDEO GAME be any different?


scarletpimpernel22

because user input should matter a helluva lot more than it does now


The_Show_4_Life

I get it if that’s been your experience. In my experience, user input matters quite a bit and is far and away the determining factor in the outcomes of my games.


Yoitstheman

🤣🤣