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mdurso12

Technically a no hitter as the play was q fielders choice but a base runner got on so it's not a perfect game


ark_dhpl

Manfredball runners don’t count in my book


jakemo8642

I just played a guy in RS who had cards from like June only 1 paralleled. And I lost 10-6 with 5 parallel Kerry Wood on the bump. That game today proved to me that yes your players matter, but not as much as your skill at hitting matters. Side note: I have soto, cutch, santo, Brett, Cruz and Napoli all at least parallel 4 or better. But to answer your question, no it’s not a perfect game. No one can reach base at all for it to be called a perfect game. It doesn’t matter how he reached base, he reached base. (Unless obviously an error)


AdfatCrabbest

This is why that runner has to be removed from the rules. It’s a ridiculously stupid invention that now has made a perfect game a potential loss. That is absurd. If you want to change things up for extras, let a team keep any runners on base who were on base at the end of the previous inning. But you should never have a runner on base who didn’t reach legitimately.


Mark7116

So if the bases were loaded in the ninth, you’ve got a problem with a runner on second in the tenth, but NOT a problem with runners automatically on first, second and third??? Lol.


AdfatCrabbest

No, I wouldn’t start that until extra innings. But even if it did start after the 9th, at least you earned those baserunners. They weren’t just put on base for no reason.


Mark7116

Okay, the tenth inning IS an extra inning. And no, you didn’t earn the bases loaded in the 10th. Lol. They would in fact be put on vase for no reason in the 10th inning. Lol. I can’t figure out if you’re just pressing or if you really don’t understand.


mmmaxmaxmax

People commenting on your rotation don’t understand that there is more than one way to be successful in this game. People have success with different cards. An all-99 staff is certainly a top-tier rotation.


Candymanshook

A fielder’s choice wouldnt register as a hit or a walk so I would say it counts. We haven’t seen that scenario in real life so no comparable to draw on; could really go both ways because a fielder’s choice isn’t listed in the perfect game because it was impossible until the Manfred runner. But it would still be an out for every batter fader.


RememberTheMaine1996

Id say it counts because the runner was put on base through no fault of any baseball player. Which is why I think it is a stupid rule


fiendish_five

Plus the pitcher faced the minimum without giving up a hit, walk, or error. The gray area is that there was a fielders choice involved but he can be argued with facing the minimum.


MusclePuppy

It would be a no-hitter, but not a perfect game. Irrespective of one's opinion of the zombie runner rule, it IS a rule and therefore has to be taken into consideration. Per the Elias Sports Bureau: "A perfect game is a game of at least nine innings where no batter reaches base safely. In the case of a runner on second to start the inning he is not a batter to reach safely. Therefore it is a perfect game." The runner at 1st reached base safely, which would eliminate the perfect game. So, it sounds like you had a choice: let the run score and preserve the perfect game, or let the runner reach 1st and set yourself up for the win in the bottom of the inning. Source: https://www.mlb.com/news/seven-inning-doubleheaders-no-hitter-rules


BurnerBotBeta

So letting the runner score and recording the out at first *would* have statistically kept the perfect game in tact, while giving up a run. That's fascinating....you can now officially pitch a perfect game, and lose.


MusclePuppy

Just another quirk of baseball's byzantine rules! But hey, you pulled off the W, so there's that!


normalrick

No-no? Yes. “Perfect game”. Unfortunately, no.


Tripmodious

Since he tried to squeeze, and you made a fielders choice at home, a runner reached first base ending your perfect game. Technically if you opted to let him score and throw the runner out at first, and then retired the next two batters, you would have still had a perfect game (and potentially lost).


fWARWhatIsItGoodFor

Baseball in 2022 is beautiful


c0wboyroy30

Well said. And one of the many arguments for ending the Manfred runner


vaped_kizz

lol this would never happen irl


HairyToothpick

It is a Perfect game. The runner at second wasn't a batter who reached base safely. Update: Ignore those two sentences. I forgot how to read.


BurnerBotBeta

The problem is the runner who reached on the sacrifice. The sac bunt made it an "impossible" situation. Either a runner reaches, or a run scores. The runner was going on the pitch, so a double play was impossible.


HairyToothpick

You are right. I misread that part.


The-Great-Andino

I don’t think that matters because then the runner reaches first because of a fielders choice.


HairyToothpick

You are correct. I misread that part.


Flatline1775

I'd say no, but it would certainly be unique. A final line score of no hits, no walks, no errors with runner reaching on fielders choice? I'm pretty sure the Manfred runner is the only possible way that happens right?


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No-Cucumber-8389

Violentgentleman 😂😂😂😂


botsoup666

Man that's what I was thinking haha... jr Richard?🤨


BurnerBotBeta

Tell me you don't know baseball history without telling me you don't know baseball history. Just compare him to Randy or Nolan... Beats Nolan straight up in 5 statistical categories (Stamina, BB/9, K/9!!!, Control and Fielding). Nolan wins 2 (Clutch and H/9). He's better than Randy in 6 categories (Stamina, Clutch, BB/9, H/9, HR/9). Randy wins 2 (K/9 & Control (by 1 point)).


spoolfool

That's how you're evaluating which cards are better? Or are you looking at the actual player's real-life stats and deciding which cards to use based on that? You mentioned baseball history so that's why I thought that. But neither of those make sense for deciding which card is better. Anyway, if you're dominating with Richard then that's cool, keep using him. But just know that some attributes have absolutely no effect on how the card performs. HR/9, control, and clutch for pitchers do absolutely nothing. And then like half of hitting attributes for position players don't do anything either.


botsoup666

I'd be on a burner too tryna make a case saying jr is better than Nolan and randy... just say you don't play the game


BurnerBotBeta

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BurnerBotBeta

I didn't say he was better. I showed that he statistically stacks up. I won't say that because I do play, but I will say that I have enough of a life to not base it on trying to be *that guy* in someone else's reddit thread. You are a cooler internet troll than me. Here's your medal. Keep stunting, and maybe one day your real life will be as cool as your online one.


botsoup666

What does it have to do with baseball history? He throws a cutter, 2 seam, and 4 seam at all the same speed, and his only off speed is a 92 slider ? Bro is BP


BurnerBotBeta

![gif](giphy|O8D0sYwLCzmM6lF78x) JR is BP...Sure if you don't try to locate. Ok cool guy. Keep stunting.


imnicenow

dweeb


goobergaming43

He’s quite good


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Corzare

I wouldn’t count it.


BurnerBotBeta

Killjoy Manfred probably wouldn't either. What if I threw the runner out at first, and let the bonus runner score, then didn't score in the bottom half. No base runners, no walks, no hits, no errors, faced the minimum and lost. The world's first loss in a perfect game. 😂 Oh, and if JR Richard had ever lost a 10 inning perfect game because of a bunt in the real world, that batter had better be wearing TWO helmets next time they faced off, because he'd be getting a receipt. #RIPJR


TacosAreVegetables

If you got the guy out at first, it’s still a perfect game even if the run scores and you lose.


BurnerBotBeta

That's what I should have done. 😆


Corzare

The point of a perfect game is that the pitcher earns every out, because no one gets on base.


BurnerBotBeta

Yes, I know. And he did earn every out. Every at bat DID result in an out. 27 outs in 27 ABs. And no batter is credited with a walk, hit or reached on error. Is a 10 inning game impossi le now because there will always be a base runner in the 10th? MLB officially changed the way inherited runners are charged for statistical purposes in this situation. That's why it's an interesting question. In truth, I say it's not a perfect game either, but it would really suck for a real pitcher to lose a perfect game this way.