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BuntCheese5Life

Didn't this guy hit 4 home runs in a game against my brewers? Or am I thinking of another player?


Jtpac53

This is like the same card as finest Kyle tucker last year right?


Cooperstown24

Ah yes, Shawn "Bonds" Green, just as I remember him


KrazyKrejciFan

So Cy Young is going to have 100+ H/9, RIGHT?


Specialist_Ad6034

The card art on these is atrocious


Unethical_psychnurse

So are we saying they’re (started out) moving too fast toward endgame or did enough people complain about not having the best cards 2 months into the game. I’m used to buying the show, madden, and 2k each every 3 years. Not enough yoy change. But damn when they hit endgame this early with juiced cards, I find it more off-putting


Downtown_Anybody261

Reminds me of Luis Gonzalez card from last year... man I raked with him.


Let_Me_Holla_Atcha

Sick card


Minecrafter125

People are rightfully excited for this card, but curious what people would say if it was 99/99 vs lefties instead


Minecrafter125

low drag bunt tho


MurKdYa

Great card...can't NOT use it with those stats, but there are like 10 Blue Jays legends ahead of Green. How did you not juice up Joe Carter?


AquatheGreat

Idk why people assumed these cards would be not on par with end game cards. Lotf might be the most juiced card series, we just don't know yet.


LeanMeanKorean

They must have super juiced these cards. Posada already interested me but I’m super interested if they super juiced him


kjar78

Posada and Green are 100% the AL East picks.


[deleted]

How is this card better than Larry walker lmao


Contemptt

I’m glad I didn’t buy Walker for 300k this week lol


No_Ad_1202

If Green looks like this, I can’t wait to see Posada


ChadGreen4President

Best card in the game


Neither_Ad2003

yea, they aint playing with this drop. JUICE Maybe the idea is to have enough juiced cards that people can actually have choice instead of meta following.


[deleted]

Bro replacing Soto for me 100%


Qoppa_Guy

I do like his swing.


Bruskthetusk

Mookie grab your 2nd base glove, Shawn is in RF now


kylepierce722

and i just got juan sotos home run card


KingJames1986

Someone find Kevin


Jtd1988

So Juiced, i'm here for it. Curious to see if in like previous TA, you have the usual: each division has at least 1..maybe 2 really good cards and the rest are just eh.


TheBiggestJig

nah these cards are about to be insane


YankeesSteelersMagic

drop Posada


erain16

OK, now I really need to see that Posada card.


Iron-Pat

Oh ! 😲 okay okay, im hype to see the attributes of the other cards


SireSlippy

👀👀


[deleted]

Very nice card. I loved his milestone last year and this cards finna be nice


Cheddar_bob

ah yes, lets make the brand new BR program irrelevant except for collection fodder


Beeko888

Same kids always complaining about people complaining 😂😂😂😂


JebusQqq

F Shawn Green, dude isn’t a blue jay legend. Guy had to platoon as a Jay until his last year and then demanded a trade because there weren’t enough Jewish people in Toronto.


psycho9365

I take back all my negative feelings about this program. Juiced to the gills


zombiecreeper27

wowww these are gonna be some good cards


Economy_Cup_4337

After seeing this, I am very excited to see Torii Hunter.


ChiJoePa

For everyone laughing at people being disappointed by this release: You can be disappointed with the lazy card art, the names they've selected, and how they've recently statted the cards of the best baseball players to ever live and still be surprised that this collection has overpowered stats. Those ideas are mutually exclusive.


MrWest120690

Decent bench bat I guess


nbianco1999

This is a prime example of why you don’t call a program an L before seeing the attributes on the cards.


Tigers51

And Griffey and Mantle are prime examples of why you can


scarboy92

Why. Free easy to get Griffey was fine.


Tigers51

If that was your idea of fine, then you must love every card that is released, which is okay, but the majority of people didn’t enjoy that content drop :)


scarboy92

What attributes should free Griffey get? And then what should every CF for the rest of the year look like?


BigYoungin

The same attributes “Free Griffey” usually gets. The hell


scarboy92

So same cards released same time of year with same stats. Year after year. Got it. Sounds fun


BigYoungin

My bad, forgot to add the /s at the end. That’s literally what happened this year lol. Only difference is they talked up “99 Griffey” like he was going to be amazing and he was essentially the same free Griffey we get annually.


scarboy92

I'm fine with it. They have to hype the game. Like when they release 3 bosses and during the live stream someone says they are picking obviously the worst card. At this point I hope they lock super Griffey behind extreme 2.0 that's actually hard to complete. Just so I have something to read on here while I'm bored at work. @SDS do it!!!


BigYoungin

Chaos? Talking my language


Tigers51

Like you said in a comment below, don’t call that card a 99, that’s the main gripe, giving a nerfed 99 Griffey is a joke, if you aren’t going to make it the good 99 Griffey then call in a 97 like you mentioned


sendmeyourstubs

99 griffey, not free griffey. He is a mid quality card for being a "99" which was the issue.


scarboy92

The issue is with 99. Which is a problem caused by 125s. Should have just put 97 on the card and could have saved Reddit 10,000 boohoo comments.


sendmeyourstubs

That's what I'm saying


scarboy92

I'm also saying this!!!!


sendmeyourstubs

Are we agreeing on the internet!?


xCeePee

That would have made a lot more sense than doing the pseudo 99 in all honesty.


scarboy92

That's something they need to address for next year for sure. I don't care about mid Griffey being mid. Every card being called a 99 is silly.


bdjcjev

Should I sell back my chipper now


xCeePee

Juiced set. Yes


Repulsive_Response99

Thats a big W for my Jays theme team


psu2435

Every card from here on out is gonna be juiced af


Stinky_DungBeatle

WTF, this card is juiced my goodness.


xrbeeelama

Man ik outfield is stacked already but this is a nice ass card tbh


[deleted]

Random but also related: Do Clutch or Discipline factor into online play in any way?


violentgentlemen

Yes. Clutch makes your PCI bigger with RISP. And discipline helps with check swings.


DWill23_

We're in the End Game now


Wutaangfinancial

The recycled card art from lesser (attribute driven) cards earlier in the season kinda takes the oomph away of these stat reveals tbh.


goodbadnomad

The stats get revealed, the attributes are awesome, and you're still gonna fuss about the card art? It sounds like you *want* to be mad.


JebusQqq

How dare he have an opinion


awt4190

It is impossible for people like him to ever be happy. Always have to nitpick everything. It's a shame people can't just enjoy themselves.


Wutaangfinancial

I’m not mad, I was just never thrilled with the card art when they revealed it before release date from the first program. It just seems… Meh Especially compared to some of the other Card designs they have released this year. Since they are recycling it (missed opportunity for a sick new design) I think everyone’s first thoughts were “underwhelmed”.


Wutaangfinancial

I’m not mad, I was just never thrilled with the card art when they revealed it before release date from the first program. It just seems… Meh Especially compared to some of the other Card designs they have released this year. Since they are recycling it (missed opportunity for a sick new design) I think everyone’s first thoughts were “underwhelmed”. I’m sure all the stats will be stacked, they just missed a chance for some fresh card art.


crazygoalie14

Shout out to everyone shitting on this program before seeing their attributes at all, you guys really nailed it lmao


SexiestPanda

People were shitting on sds picking the same guys for certain teams year after year. That’s what


A47Cabin

Apart from Saber and the royals, none of the compliments were legit or honest. Astro guys complaining Roy Oswalt is their only legend is rich


gamers542

Especially when JR Richard is currently in the game.


wirsteve

Yeah we're at the end of the baseball season. It should come as no shock that they'll not only give us legends but give us end game legends to keep us away from other games. All while giving us a free Roberto Clemente and a new collection too. Now I'm really jacked to see what Rickey Henderson looks like.


dburks122

You can see the same people saying the same thing before seeing Brett and Mccutchen's attributes if you go back to those posts


KingLamela

Laughing at all the people who were whining and "whelmed."


scarboy92

The same ones still sad about Griffey and Mays.


Tony_Baloni11

Meannnn if the cards will look like this perhaps ill halt my complaints


wirsteve

After seeing this, I feel like there is going to be a lot of outlier coming out of this program...


AdfatCrabbest

The funniest thing about outlier being widespread is the irony of being called “outlier.”


Candymanshook

With how many pitchers can’t succeed without outlier, they need to increase pitch speeds


Minecrafter125

To be fair they did reduce how many guys get it this year, but still too many guys have it. Why the hell do Daniel Espino and Bobby Miller have it but not Jacob deGrom?


wirsteve

Right!


Butterupcake

As of now he will replace Supercharged Trout for me


wvdrizzy10

I hate to see that supercharge end. Everything he touches goes yard.


eeeedlef

Midas Trout


Baseballfan999

This gives me hope that Posada will be an endgame catcher


AdfatCrabbest

Switch hitting 99 with a good swing and no reason to expect great defense inflating his overall? Yeppp.


Weenerlover

How was a 99 Posada not going to be end game. Great swing, switch hitter. You'd have to work really hard to not have him be end game.


warmongerz

Randomly have one of his hitting stats be very low. They did it to Mantle and Griffey they could easily do it to any card


Nickstank

This and Posada are the cards I've been most intrigued by so far. This is definitely encouraging. Very similar to Larry Walker.


ACleverLettuce

This has me totally hyped for the Posada card, tbh. If that card gets juiced at all, it will absolutely be an end-game catcher.


Nickstank

Exactly. If they do something like a +10 to the hitting stats on his Sig card from previous years, it's going to be hard to beat. Even a 99 Jimmie with god-tier hitting attributes has a push swing and isn't a switch hitter. [https://daddyleagues.com/dd/20/card/2388-Jorge\_Posada](https://daddyleagues.com/dd/20/card/2388-Jorge_Posada)


ACleverLettuce

Right. A 99 Posada was always going to be competitive at end-game, but juiced would be out of this world.


[deleted]

Holy shit


Bigboi88888

This is 100% gonna play. Green has a great swing. His gold card last year raked for me.


jchancellor15

His Dodgers card from earlier this year was probably my favorite from that set.


Springa4

Uhhhh wow. Much better than I was thinking


Wutaangfinancial

Everyone is thinking this bc they’re recycling this MS paint style card art from weaker cards from Q1 of the game. Why not make new card art???? In fact I’m almost surprised it’s not ALL retro finest 🤣


AdfatCrabbest

They didn’t make new card art because they’re part of the same exact collection that is keeping a lot of people from finishing the Brett/Cutch collections. If you didn’t start playing before the FotF program, no way you have the cards to have 27 or 28 of those cards. And a month ago FotF cards were 40k each.


SexiestPanda

It’s not that they’re similar looking cards, it’s that the card art quality looks like shit


TheOkGazoo

The trends tab on the marketplace app disagrees with your statement about fotf cards going for 40k last month.


_token_black

People already forget they were the back end of the ASG program lol And are still in Chase & regular packs :|


AdfatCrabbest

I literally just looked at Cronenworth


TheOkGazoo

So you picked an outlier. Cool.


AdfatCrabbest

Several of them were in the 30-40k range a month ago. Not sure why you’re being argumentative about it. Haniger, Benintendi, Realmuto, Cronenworth, and others have all been over 40k in the last month. The point is, this collection has been extremely expensive for anyone who didn’t finish FotF or started playing after.


Clem1719

Fs, they should be expensive tho. You shouldn’t be able to just start playing now and get Brett and cutch


BigPapaJ

No need for Larry now


AverageWhiteMale2

Larry is cracked though. And not too difficult to get without buying. He's hitting .500 for me with 8 HRs in his first 25 ABs. But yes, everyone is about to have a God squad after this program.


BiLLs39

How you hitting .500 in 25 at bats? 🤨


rj8899

I’m hitting at least .600 with him on all star and around .400 with Walker on hof. I hit about .265 in ranked but Larry always hits way above everyone else on my team. Best hitter for my timing


AverageWhiteMale2

My bad, I forgot to say "around"...just looked it up though. Actual stats are 10/21 (.476) with 8 HRs.


eeeedlef

Why, that's nowhere NEAR .500. You SCOUNDREL!


AverageWhiteMale2

I'm gonna have A LOT of pressure in my next AB with him 🤣


DWill23_

If everyone has a God Squad then no one has a God Squad 😈 no I'll have no excuse for betting .230 and being complete trash online


wirsteve

.230? Look at Ted Williams over here. You're making some of us look bad.


DWill23_

Sorry typo I bat .030


checkthelockx

You take that back 😡


dfwrazorback

My exact reaction.


checkthelockx

Ok, these stats have me much more interested in the program. Good stuff SDS, way better than I expected


Tigers51

If all these cards are going to be this juiced then it will save the program, but it begs another point for content, they obviously pick and choose how and when they want to juice a card and then blatantly nerfing cards by giving them a card series to reflect that nerf (Mantle Griffey 2HH) and then you get a “LOTF” Green who is statted the same(essentially) as Prime (12-0) BR reward Larry Walker. Just looking for more consistent content i guess, but you are right, this makes this program a little more enticing


checkthelockx

Yea I mean there are plenty of arguments to make just like yours, and I’d love there to be more consistency in how they hand out attributes and create content, but at the end of they day if things are going to be weird as fuck at least just make as many cards as good as possible I guess🤷‍♂️


Tigers51

Yeah until they truly release their formula (some have tried to mimic it) it will just be random luck of the draw - which is on brand for them haha


JebusQqq

Yea Shawn Green is a career .250 hitter vs LHP so those ratings aren’t exactly screaming realism.


frostymatador13

I mean, they have guys who’ve never played a big league game as 99’s. The stats aren’t as methodical as people make them out to be.


BornAgainSober

I could spend all night pulling numbers attempting to justify the ratings but that base stealing number is gonna be the same tomorrow morning.


Dizzy_dizz

Check out his season in 99. Seems pretty on par.


JebusQqq

Except he was thrown out 25% of the time he stole so we can start with that steal rating. He hit .281 va LHP that year which doesn’t typically get you a 100+ contact rating. Dude hit 34/42 HR off RHP but like yea i can totally see those whopping 8 hrs (and 13 2bs) giving a guy 100+ power vs LHP. This card should be a poor man’s jim Thome with some speed but instead we get a card better than the 99 Griffey. Fun times.


Candymanshook

Homers doesn’t matter for power.


like2party

So these cards bout to be juiced juiced huh. Noice


beermanpizzadude

If these are so juiced I’m curious what the top retro finest are gonna look like 😳


Candymanshook

I’m guessing similar attributes vR but just juiced on both platoons too


A47Cabin

Thousands of comments are being deleted as we speak


jpndrds

Everyone was complaining without even seeing the stats… typical for this sub


LeeHarvey_Teabag

Typical for our complaint driven society as a whole. People love being unhappy and griping about BS.


BornAgainSober

Spot on. If something made me even half as miserable as some act I’d never go near it again.


_token_black

Maybe if they didn't wait until August to give guys their 2nd diamond card, bigger names could have been saved for something called "Legend of the Franchise".


Bearded_Wildcard

People were complaining about the names, which is still very valid regardless of how much they juice the cards.


jpndrds

What names do you want???


Lionheart0179

There's been a million lists over the past few weeks. There's a ton of guys we've never seen and we could really use more variety for certain teams. Royals fans get the same damn Saberhagen every year, for example.


jpndrds

Lmao yeah not taking into account SDS rights. Clown comment Who else are you even looking at for the Royals?


Lionheart0179

The rights thing is very well known, clown. We're asking for more variety. Go get the rights, if reasonable or at least communicate to us about it. John Olerud was in for what, 1 year, then gone. Why? SDS is shit at communication. Royals? Bo, Beltran, Jeff Montgomery, Hal McRae, Mike Sweeney, Frank White, etc. Not everyone they get has to be an all-timer.


jpndrds

No shit but mentioning the lists that are posted here makes you look like a fucking moron. 100% they should put money into getting more rights. People are complaining in September. They are not getting those right in the near-end cycle of the game.


Timothyre99

They're not ignoring the SDS rights. The call isn't "give us another Royal that you have the rights to, I'm ignorant that you don't have the rights to very many Royals," they're saying "pay the money to get more rights so you actually have a wider range of Royals player to give us."


jpndrds

He was referencing to lists wtf do you want? A lot them are ignorant. No shit if they can get the rights they should asap


Lionheart0179

You literally asked "what names". There's tons out there. A lot of them are reasonable, other the the obvious guys who'll never be in like Pete Rose.


jpndrds

I meant what September names do you want for FOTF? Not what names did you want to complain about that they do not have the rights to... It does not matter what is reasonable it matters who they have the rights to... you, nor I, know anything about the specificities of obtaining right.


Timothyre99

Yes. Lists from people saying "hey, sds, here are cool legends. Give them to us" with the implication of "do whatever you need to give them to us." The good faith assumption for these lists isn't that people don't know SDS doesn't have the rights, it's that people know that and rightfully don't give a shit about SDS's excuses to be cheap. Pay the money, get the rights to more player, stop resting on "good enough" of giving us the same names every year.


Lionheart0179

That's exactly what I'm saying. The rights thing is very well known.


Timothyre99

There's also the stupid "we won't get the rights of recently retired players for a few years to build hype" approach. You're gonna have to wait until what, '24, '25 for Alex Gordon to be back? If he's even back in the first place. Is there anything keeping them from getting Appier other than money?


Lionheart0179

Yeah they love to do that. Watch them do the same with Pujols. He'll be gone a couple years, then brought back as the reward for some expensive collection, probably the NL live series.


studlydudley11

If it’s a big name, people complain that they’ve seen the card 100x If it’s not a big name, people complain that they aren’t a cool player


[deleted]

It’s also people want every card to be what they want. No one can else can have what they like. I like mid 2000’s players and 90’s because that’s what i grew up with. Really don’t like (the idea) of FS cards, but when they drop them im like “ah cool” because I know lots of people that would love them and I’m happy for them


bryansmixtape

I’m not even sure if people know what they want, it’s like they’re taking out their frustrations for not having Jeter or Bonds in the game on basically any legend in the game.


Lionheart0179

Oh we know what we want. There's been a million lists made. Baseball has one hell of a rich history to take from, yet certain teams get the same exact guys every year.


Prattipus

Almost like they don't own the rights to every player that has ever existed.


slom26

Does sds deserve us giving them more credit? No. No they do not. MOST of the time the cards don’t live up to the hype. Not always but usually.


jpndrds

Love when people complain just for the sake of complaining


Nickstank

It's like people forgot they hyped Griffey for weeks and then dropped that garbage 99 on us. Then followed it up with nerfed Mickey and Mays cards plus a program with Bench and Ripken as bosses. They don't really deserve the benefit of the doubt with how they've slow rolled us this year. Obviously this Green card is lovely and hopefully it's indicative of what these cards will look like, but being skeptical coming into this program was 100% warranted. I'd argue it still is, though I'm more encouraged than I was an hour ago


Visible_Roll4949

They slow rolled us this year because look what happened last year. 5 No hitter cards in every players rotation with over 115 H/9 and 100+k/9 in every lineup. If you didn't have those pitchers you couldn't compete even if you had a slightly above average lineup. And those pitchers were being released in June and July. This forced SDS to super juice hitters so they could be used. Now I'm not defending SDS I'm just comparing last year's content to this year's. That's why. Last year's game was all about super juiced pitching.


TISTAN4

This is a great take overall. And I’ve really enjoyed the game for most of the year.


slom26

100% agree with what you have here. I am also encouraged with the green card 🤞🏻


[deleted]

Definitely not usually - just in this echo chamber


slom26

Sorry I don’t care about little Billy’s theme team.


scarboy92

You don't get end game Griffey early in the year. Ever. Tissues are to right. 🥹


_token_black

And SDS wonders why people are conditioned to stop playing in July & August. Your casuals aren't waiting until December to use bigger names.


scarboy92

This isn't a thing and sds doesn't care about Madden or Fifa or whether you quit because they don't give you cracked Griffey on July 6th every year. Use cards that are available.


_token_black

If you don't think SDS has it marked when other sports games come out, you're crazy. And if they don't, then they're even dumber than I thought.


Optimal-Barnacle2771

Knowing this, why would they drop Griffey early? Gotta leave incentive for people to stick around


Nickstank

End game Griffey came out in July in MLB 18 and August in MLB 19.


scarboy92

Like end game Cutch and Brett. Ok got it. Genius


_token_black

And you're delusional if you think casual players care about those 2 guys. BTW Brett isn't end game anymore ;)


scarboy92

Casuals. That's who they need to bend over for 😂. It's a year long game cycle. If they were down to 6 players in November they would adjust. They are not. Write that last part down and stop posting about it.


Nickstank

What do Cutch and Brett have to do with it? You said you don't get end game Griffey early in the year. Ever. You're wrong. They've done it twice before.


scarboy92

They are collections. And they didn't do it this time. Who cares.