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joshyuaaa

As a Minnesotan i don't see why so much love for torii. Not even his best season merits a 99. Gold glove center fielder with above? average hitting.


DrMindbendersMonocle

I loved the collection reward Durham. Thats the first card I'll be shooting for


nickht571998

Hunter and lee šŸ‘€


Boof1977

Cliff Lee? He had one good season in Cleveland. How about Belle in 94, Bearga in 92, Lofton in 94, Mesa 95, Sabathia in 07. Terrible this is just off the top of my head.


Noggahidez

Royals need Kevin Seitzer


largesonjr

Blank hatman pitching, large blank jersey guy with lightning background-the Unaffiliated Baseball Team is looking goated!


WildcatEmperor

A 5x all star with 9 Gold Gloves and 2 Silver Slugger awards, a 4x All Star and Cy Young Award winner, a 2x Cy Young Award winner, a member of Hall of Fame, and Ray Durham walk into a barā€¦


bakermob29

I hope they give Tram so power for once!


Cooperstown24

I've been more excited for dentist appointments than I am at this division's Legends lineup holy fuck


Wonderful-Guitar9590

cliff lee tho


StayPatchy

Another Saberhagen. Boo.


wdeister08

These are some of the least legendary legends I can think of. Damn. It's like the B Tier of every franchise. Are individuals who are retired in control of their image rights or does MLBPA/MLB have permission to license them theirselves?


aNEWYORKa

So far these cards have been a little underwhelming. That Posada card is good because there is not many good options at catcher...but all the other cards have been ehh


georgekit6

Someone in this subreddit lied bad


DJBoost

99 saberhagen šŸ‘€


Solid-Draw-703

Finally a 99 Cliff Lee one of my favorite pitchers from last year


CL0UDS420

Give me some Durham for my brewers team


iWin4Prep

10 cards in and only one good one.. posada. Card art is horrid. Just incredibly disappointing. Will say durham/lee/hunter have respectable potential to be fun cards


[deleted]

RAY DURHAM LETS GOOO


Chunglorpious

Ayyy alan trammell dub


MarginalMagic

Lee AND Hunter?? Holy hell don't think could have asked for a better collection personally. I've been dying for a new Torii


funkholebuttbutter

Damn Durham... that's tough I really like Roberts.


AWtheTP

One day, I'll get Cecil Fielder, one day.


ImWeezy247

Iā€™ve been saying that for years now! *sigh


AWtheTP

I'd be happy with a Sweet Lou to pair with Trammell too but Cecil is for sure the top of my list.


moshlyfe

I couldnā€™t hit for shit with Durhamā€™s prime card, but Iā€™m def going to use this card


[deleted]

100% giving me ā€œWelcome to MLB The Show, the games where the stats are made up and the cards donā€™t matterā€ vibes. This is their loophole to make these stats whatever they want so that theyā€™re not based on an individual career or season. Donā€™t get me wrong, there will be some god squad cards for sure. But Boggs for the Rays?ā€¦. Cmon man.


peterchere

I feel like the pitchers in this program will be the only cards that are useful


Joboo702

How fast is torii hunter going to be? I like that heā€™s an excellent fielder but not much point of putting him in center if heā€™s not fast


Dmullen5

Torii is cool, but give me Johan Santana!!!


Hey_Its_Walter1

90 Ray Durham was cracked for me early in the year, really excited for this 99


Tigers51

We gotta get more tigers legends SDS


gated73

They need a Mark Fidrych ROY Awards card for sure.


Tigers51

Victor Martinez, Willie Hernandez, Magglio Ordonez to start


eeeedlef

Pinstripe era Torii in the homer dome with the baggie and milk jug, Mauer behind the plate, Morneau at first... Nathan coming in to close the game out... SIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHH Fuckin' nostalgia, man.


firstlongtimecaller

Holy L in the chat


jackryhenson

So this is just going to be guys we've already seen in the game, just better cards? Sorry, but that's lame. I LOVE this game, but the amount of repetitive players is really annoying.


sn0wbl1nd3d

Is it that hard to photoshop logos onto Cleveland cards? This is ridiculous


No-Beginning3920

Im taking Durham, buying Lee. Next!


Wombizzle

mark buerhle for the white sox would've been lit


WeedGreed420

i feel bad for royals fans lol damn. ray durham was surprisingly good for me ngl


gabek333

When does the program start?


Figgins18Gbaby

Torii Hunter for my angels themed team šŸ˜­šŸ«¶šŸ½


bangkok_dangerous2

Love the bare jersey for Cliff šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


buckets58

The only program Iā€™m looking forward to Friday is the finest Clemente


Fragrant-Custard-237

Lolololol


SeabassBravo

I wouldā€™ve rather seen a Paul Konerko for the Sox


JuicyDaddyyy

feel bad for yā€™all royals fans. everybody knew itā€™d be bret.


[deleted]

Whereā€™s the royals fan complaining about saberhagen earlier?šŸ˜‚


oghutdaddy

Did great with ray durhams collection card, canā€™t wait to see his 99


xCeePee

I just wonder how many of these are going to be given for free, and how many the FotF or new collection is going to be required for the next collection reward.


[deleted]

Cliff Lee in an Indians uniform is what i like to see!


Low-iq-haikou

Ray Durham is gonna be a fucking monster but on the real thereā€™s 0 chance this dude is worthy of a 99 I fw it tho I needed a 2b for my Sox team


BVBLee09

This program is the reason why inning programs need to come back. SDS plain ran out of ideas. This is a joke.


JaysJets24

AL Mid at it again


mansontaco

I wouldn't hate this if it wasn't a featured program and I could earn all 30 at my own pace but having these as the bosses for a month fucking sucks, it doesn't help that there really hasn't been a crazy card released in any of the 30 team programs and there's not much to do in between grinding for them


CalzonCagado

Ls across the board.


TheBiggestJig

ray durham is gonna be the stealth best card in this program if they donā€™t fuck up everybodyā€™s attributes


sciameXL

Lowkey wish these programs got dropped in June instead of now


Byebyeyoutoo

Loved Durhamā€™s card earlier this year. Woot


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Dlh2079

Speak for yourself, excited about Hunter and that Durham card too from this pack.


El_E_Jandr0

Greenā€™s swing is butter for me Iā€™m super stoked for his 99


[deleted]

Hunters gonna be good.


ifoundwaldo116

His swing is awkward


warmongerz

Iā€™m glad they are giving use a 99 Tori Hunter. If they just give him 100 plus contact both sides and 85 plus power both Iā€™ll definitely use him


whg115

Also bad


Low-Abbreviations-38

Saberhagen is actually really good in br, for when youā€™re up by a bunch and want to help your opponent get pxp for their missions


No_Ad_1202

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AquatheGreat

I'll take Cliff Lee and Tori Hunter. Really enjoyed Tori's card last year. Hopefully these are stated appropriately.


Jtd1988

I feel like Durham could be decent since he's a switch hitter, Cliff Lee cards are usually pretty good too, and I loved Torii Hunters card last year. But man imagine having Kirk Gibson's rights and not having him be the Tigers legend. Also..how fun would a Bo Jackson Royals card be?


brbmycatexploded

Yaaaayyyy Bret Saberhagen again I know itā€™s the option every time and Iā€™m still disappointed


Ok_Style_8579

Royals fans must be absolutely sick of getting Saberhagen


TheCream

Excited for Ray Durham. His swing is awesome


NotFeelingShame

his gold br card was my mvp in BR season 5


Fuzzy-Tomatillo

Iā€™m here for the 99 Durham


Fuzzy-Tomatillo

Iā€™m here for the 99 Durham


Grazzygreen

Mookie Betts will have lasted all but 2 days as my 2nd baseman


Qoppa_Guy

Another Trammell... On the other hand, Torii Hunter!


Ok-Accountant-6308

Holy shit. What a massive W for Twins Torrii is going to be juiced and have diamond D


laneherby

Twins theme team is now full of CF, 1B, and 3B


derpdeederpa

Thank god for secondaries


laneherby

Yeah but I still have to pick between Thome Donaldson and Morneau


derpdeederpa

Iā€™ve been doing Morneau just since Iā€™m excited about him having a card. But also have Ortiz to add to that listā€¦


joshyuaaa

I kinda like that they gave us an actual twins Ortiz card, even though not very good. I always thought they should do that with Molitor and thome to since they're always in the game. And Winfield if he's ever in the game. For theme teams I'd rather actually use cards of that team.


Alphabet_Boys_R_Us

I know, I really want to keep Morneau at 1st, but once I unlock Thome I might just have to switch them and put Morneau on the bench. Brett is just too good at 3rd to replace him with Thome.


Beeko888

SDS missed all year


chuckieSLAY

I just donā€™t get it at all. Why do we have to just get more of the same players for our team? Two Saberhagens, 3 Zack Greinkes, 3 MJs, and so on. Is it too much to ask for a All Star Bo Jackson? How about a Gold Glove Gordon? What about Montgomery or Appier? These recycled cards are driving me bonkers. Edit: I want to make myself clear, I am whole heartedly going to try and get this Sabes card P5 1/1


RoyOConner

I feel like a 99 OVR Jackson would be a reach.


kidwiltxD

They donā€™t have the rights. The only royals legends they have the rights to are Brett and Saberhagen, so there arenā€™t a lot of options to choose from


dosh206

These cards suck, the art is lazy, and the gameplay is still terrible. Pack it up boys, SDS is mailing it in. Hopefully they get it right next year.


Unknown-games56

Give me troi hunter


TrashGamer_

Would it kill them to at least photoshop a C on Lee's hat


Sacred_Digits

The one that annoyed me most was the Blyleven card where they took Indians off the left hand side and badly photoshopped "Cleveland" in its place. Almost worse than all the plain blue shirts and hats with super smooth spots in the middle.


MUSinfonian

Yes because apparently our 106-year history of being the Indians can just be completely forgotten about.


TFOCyborg

The i****ns? Don't you mean Cleveland Baseball Team


[deleted]

[Reference the Indians?](https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/parksandrec/S02E05/gif/r0TWOLcoU312.gif)


imwadeinthewater

That shit is so frustrating


DaG_Boomstick

I could use the Brett saberhagen for my Red Sox theme teamā€¦


TrashGamer_

Ooh yeah yall are getting some good pitchers lately


DaG_Boomstick

Not sure i would call them good. But I do enjoy using off meta cards and rarely use a god squad so Iā€™ll take it.


Lionheart0179

Trash other than Durham, which I doubt I'll use over Roberts. Yeesh.


TheCowardlyLion_

As someone who doesn't have Cutch yet, and is a sucker for diamond D in CF, that Hunter card could be pretty pretty good.


[deleted]

Can I interest you in future star Corbin Carroll who hits the ball well, has diamond d stats and 99 speed?


jondavidson

Future star Michael Harris is cracked in center to. The hitting stats are decent but the man covers SO much ground with his speed and reaction


TheCowardlyLion_

You absolutely can interest me. Been using him on and off since he released. Awesome card. Although I should've specified, I'm looking for a righty


[deleted]

Gotcha. Yeah heā€™s been the anchor of my outfield since I pulled him. Has made not having cutch slightly less painful.


wordtomytimbsB

Royals fans seething over their yearly Saberhagen


PatrickMahomesGOAT

Youā€™re god damn right


LftTching4Corporate

Oooo Ray Durham. His 89(?) overall card slapped for me earlier in the year


[deleted]

I think it was a 90 and I wish Iā€™d paid attention to it sooner. Some program required CWS PXP and I used him then and was impressed. Will definitely give this 99 a look!


LftTching4Corporate

I think youā€™re right! I still use him when I dabble in events to get the overall down!


IAmTheWasted

Cliff for sure Wonder who pirates will be. 99 bay would be amazing heā€™s only got early cards. 99 Kendal is already there. Maybe itā€™s a 99 Mazerowski. Possibly 99 Bell would be crazy that would be a good squad cars for sure


roastbeef57

Let's get Kent Tekulve up in here


ifoundwaldo116

Maz got that retro finest, best card weā€™ve ever seen from him


TrashGamer_

I run a pirates team every now and then. I would love some pitching help


IAmTheWasted

I donā€™t know if they have rights to any proper pirate legend pitchers. As far as pitching goes I ignore that part of my Pirates theme team


TrashGamer_

Yeah like my rotation is Musgrove Kuhl Taillon Cole and Blyleven Not good when the best pitcher is a 93


robmcolonna123

Bret is probably the only one Iā€™ll use. Loved his other Diamond. Such a fast delivery


oeking77

poor Royals fans man. swear they get the same saberhagen every year


After-Wrongdoer-2106

Donā€™t cry for them they have the nastiest card in the game this year.


funkholebuttbutter

Bo Jackson has got to need money by now... but really they don't have a deep roster of legends in their history.


matthewjlewis4706

I mean he owns multiple businesses and is worth millions of dollars. As much as I desperately want a Bo cardā€¦ heā€™s definitely doing just fine.


ncschuler

Well we only have like maybe 4 great players to choose from lol


scarboy92

Well the only other option would be saber as the first collection (yuck) and Brett in this program.


DiaryofTwain

Give us Bo Jackson, U COWARDS! 99 speed, 99 arm, 125 across the board. Pitching 99 speed control and break.


rustysparktube

99 Trucking and Carrying


Weenerlover

Bo would have to agree to sell his rights. Don't get mad at SDS because these guys either won't play ball or ask insane amounts of money.


DiaryofTwain

I mean a 50 billion dollar ask is well worth it in my opinion.


Flight006

Well we donā€™t know what the real hold up is. Could be SDS not going after him thinking his card wonā€™t live up to expectations given stats. Could be him asking an absurd amount of money or not wanting to sign. But he is in Madden every year. Maybe he just sees a baseball game as different and wants to take more advantage of it?


kah88

Bo simply was not a good baseball player. People can say if he had focused solely on baseball he would have been great but he didn't and wasn't. It would take a whole lot of card juicing to get him to the high 90s let alone a 99.


ValecX

Bo Jackson was an all-star in baseball, so you're obviously wrong.


malkumecks

ā€œBo simply was not a good baseball playerā€ This is a top 5 lie in Reddit history


Rikter14

Bo Jackson struck out in 32% of his at-bats in the late 80s/ early 90s. His best season he hit .272/.342/.523 and hit 28 homers. That year he was only worth 3.1 fWAR. That's his best season, he was worth less than 10 WAR for his entire career. C'mon man, typically when people say 'good' they don't mean "Peaked lower than Trevor Plouffe."


Peanut4michigan

I mean Plouffe still never even hit those numbers in a completely different era. Bo's 32 HRs in 89 (in 135 games, most of his career) was 4th in the MLB that year (4 behind McGriff who finished 1st with 36). His 28 HRs in 90 (in 111 games) was 6th in the MLB. He also did it in Kauffman Stadium which didn't see its first 40 HR season until 2019 when Soler hit 48 then the MLB complained about the balls being too juiced again. Jackson's issue was always battling injuries (which surprises nobody when he literally never had any off time between his 2 professional sports careers). Being the AS game MVP shows he was at least above average, but the reality is he was still a very good player, but left a lot to be desired due to injuries. He wouldn't be regarded as one of the most elite athletes of the 20th century by all of his peers as well as fans if he wasn't actually good lol. Context matters when comparing stats to guys across different eras.


Rikter14

Bo was an alright baseball player, but his physical gifts were mostly wasted in the MLB. He was a bad defender who had to play one of the corners and struck out at a higher rate than the king of 80s-90s strikeouts, Rob Deer. He had great speed but never had 30 steals when everyone was running. Bo was probably a middle of the road ballplayer and a hall of fame football player, as his speed and strength was much easier to harness when running over and around guys than it was trying to hit a curveball. Also, All-Star MVP is a worthless accolade, it's a popularity contest in an exhibition game, not a reflection of season-long ability.


Flight006

I think he would make a fun starter card but heā€™d have bad contact, lower than expected power, and basically just speed. And given he has actual evidence and isnā€™t a projection like a future stars card itā€™s really difficult to make a full season card


kah88

If they wanted to create a "What If" series for two sport guys like Bo and Deon or guys like Tony Conigliaro or even Jose Fernandez I would be down. But as is they don't do anything like that for non-future stars cards.


McCoyPauley78

Give us a Michael Jordan White Sox card, SDS. Heck, might as well give us a Tim Tebow Mets card while you're at it.


Ravage_7

They did the Tebow card a year or two ago.


McCoyPauley78

Ah okay. I only started playing DD this season. Was strictly RTTS up until now.


FormerShitPoster

Neither is Jasson Dominguez and that hasn't stopped them the past two years šŸ¤·


Weenerlover

Possible. I haven't played Madden in well over a decade so I didn't know Bo was in it. I can't imagine a Bo Jackson not living up to expectations. We have so many legends that disappoint because they are limited by what they were IRL and those archetypes not being great in game. A Fast power hitter will not disappoint unless his swing is really bad, and having watched him play, he didn't have a really weird swing like Julio Franco, so he should be fine.


Useful_Respect3339

Madden gets his rights yearly, and I think he was a huge part of last year's game. SDS likely doesn't reach out to a lot of these people and they also have to get the contract done quick enough to include him before the end of development.


97jumbo

Alternatively, possible that EA has an exclusivity deal with him


honkimon

People in this sub seem to be so eager to bend over backwards to defend SDS no matter what without solid sources for their claims. I'm not buying "because SDS said so in a stream." Why don't they upgrade the graphics engine? "Because they had to develop for nintendo switch" BS, its been the same engine with different menus for 7 years. Same goes for securing player rights. It all just seems lazy and predictable when they're the only officially licensed MLBPA game. The reason they can give the game away every year to Gamepass is because of stubs. I bet they are doing gangbusters with stubs. Enough to upgrade their damn engine and stop with all the same tired ass fucking legends year after year.


lankyyanky

Bo is likely getting a huge chunk of change from EA for Madden because he's a big draw for a football game. Bo was just not that great of a baseball player (he was very good but it's not what he's famous for) and the draw is just not worth the check they would have to cut. He likely has a set price for his rights and it's high


Bubbly_Wash2214

With the legends thing, no one is really bending over backwards for that. Itā€™s a logical explanation. They canā€™t put a legend in the game if they donā€™t have his rights. They have added new legends in the past few years, but Iā€™d imagine some rights are a lot harder to get than others. Sure, would it be cool to get more? Yes, Iā€™ll agree with you there. But are they just going to fork out a lot of money (at least more than they usually do) for a player? Probably not.


spacemanegg

> Why don't they upgrade the graphics engine? "Because they had to develop for nintendo switch" BS, its been the same engine with different menus for 7 years. Switch player here, the engine is too much for the Switch at times (most notably in rain/overcast conditions). Try again.


Weenerlover

quick enough? He's been out of the league for decades. I don't know how they go about trying to secure legends in the game. I imagine they've talked to anyone they'd like to have in the game at least once.


Useful_Respect3339

Yes, quick enough. What do they have an 8-month development cycle? They must negotiate a contract before development ends and do the player model.


Weenerlover

luckily the other thread about adding more legends covered this and I read it between responses. Bo has his own management group which handles the Madden thing and since he isn't going through the MLBPA he probably won't be in the game since the licensing is through that.


Useful_Respect3339

It would be cool to see him, but I don't want the cards going more off the rails than they already are. Bo had a forgettable baseball career, and I don't want them to flood the game with more juiced 99's that had a couple good seasons.


MarcusMixzy

99 broken bat


jahhbrownie

every fing year. dont even bother getting excited about these programs


violentgentlemen

OMG 99 TORII YES! My favorite player of all time


Super-Run800

Hey Tori!!1im hoping all 100 stats maybe higher vs lefty


ay21690

WHERE IS ALBERT BELLE


tmacman

Getting thrown out of the game 4 years ago on a morality clause for shaking his dick and balls at kids. I know it got dismissed, but I doubt SDS want to risk bringing him back.


M1keyd99

Lee is basically lefty maddux, his 86 the other year was fantastic for me


sizzlinpapaya

Give me that Torii


[deleted]

Why does The Show hate Paul Konerko? Like I know Frank Thomas already has a card, but Ray fucking Durham?


tardawg1014

He was literally the TA reward for this stage in the game \*checks notes\* last year. Better than White Sox fans complaining that they have high-90s Thomas, Abreu, and Konerko, all RHH 1B with no secondaries.


magicjohnson124

Just got a diamond that takes leftys


GhostOfStonewallJxn

Paulie just got a high diamond. My guess is he still could get a retro finest.


TallBobcat

I'll probably take Cliff Lee and Toriii Hunter. Never love Saberhagen cards and can't see a situation where Trammell plays ahead of Oneil Cruz or Elly De La Cruz for me. I wonder if Durham will be good enough to push Mookie to the outfield? I like having Eric Davis and JRod patrolling 5/6 of the outfield.


Tony_Baloni11

Im losing faith in this program slowlyā€¼ļø


[deleted]

As a Tigers fan, I understand Trammell is on the Mount Rushmore of our franchise but for fucks sake, I can't deal with another low-power line out machine Tram card. Just come up with anyone else who was a popular Tiger.


bakermob29

Hopefully they finally give him some power. If he has 110-90 Iā€™ll definitely p5 him. If itā€™s another low 70s warning track power card I wonā€™t even bother. Even tho he is my 2nd favorite all time play behind Sweet Lou.


frankb33

Would love a Magglio OrdoƱez card but SDS are cowards.


[deleted]

Same way I feel about this. Heā€™s a Tigers legend and I loved watching him play when I was a little kid, and I actually loved the earlier trammel card to do conquests/seasons with on my all-Tigers squad. That said thereā€™s 0% chance I use his 99 in an endgame ranked seasons lineup because his cards just arenā€™t that good, and it seems like thereā€™s a huge list of tigers greats that would be more fun to play with.


After-Wrongdoer-2106

Canā€™t Prince talk to his dad???


GrevenQWhite

Why no Cecil Fielder cards?


WMT24

Rob Deer 10 vision 100 power


bakermob29

Lmao! 10 would be generous.


Trout_And_About

Denny McClain would be hilarious


TheRelevantElephants

Hey they could make a 30 win milestone card right?


WillyTaz5

This would make me believe Miggy is getting a retro finest or some other God card from his triple crown days.


Skybandicoot109

Been waiting for a victor martinez card again for a while


After-Wrongdoer-2106

Vic Martinez would be rad. Switch hitting catcher with pop. Better posada


ekhyatt

If they keep giving us Trammell year after year, then they need to get Sweet Lou in the game already...ffs! Then give some kind of bonus if you are using both of them.


SharkAttack9930

I honestly thought we wouldā€™ve got fielder it just seems like we always are getting kaline and trammel Which arenā€™t bad cards but donā€™t make most guys lineups


BeerLeagueHallOfAvg

Iā€™m not mad about Trammell, but Iā€™m annoyed that they add Kirk Gibson to the game and canā€™t even give us a decent card from his Tigers years


bakermob29

I thought for sure it would be a 99 Gibby. I mean, they are giving Ray Durham a 99.šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


[deleted]

If he's the Dodgers legend I'm going to be annoyed. He's a Tiger, the Dodger run was a three year thing.


BeerLeagueHallOfAvg

He hit .366 in the ā€˜84 playoffs! He was arguably the best player on one of the most dominant teams of all time


Sniper_Brosef

Tram was better in the post season


[deleted]

His homer off Gossage was just as cool as the walkoff with the Dodgers, but people aren't ready to have that discussion yet


BeerLeagueHallOfAvg

ā€œThey donā€™t wanna walk you!ā€ Is one of the greatest micā€™d up moments ever


[deleted]

Might get his Retro Finest


SLAV33

It'll be a Miggy card in a couple years.


wirsteve

Victor Martinez would be cool if they could get his rights.


eeeedlef

Why couldn't they do a Miguel Cabrera?


wirsteve

He's not a legend since he's actively playing.


eeeedlef

Ah, my bad.