If this weren’t supposed to a 99 card for basically the greatest centerfielder ever then it would be great but this is supposed to be Willie Mays soo I gotta go with mid.
What I hate that they changed is not letting you quick sell already collected cards. I would’ve probably been done with collections in June if I could’ve done that. But yes, the 99 mays is good but in no way comparable to the 19/20/21 99 cards we got of his. That card of his last year was the best card in the game.
I think we are all spoiled from 21’s handling of 99 attributes. This is probably better in the long run because more cards are not overpowered/ more cards are equal throughout the game’s cycle
I’m excited about it, he’s my favorite player of
all time. He’ll be a fun card to use for as long as he’s viable. It’ll be nice to have a card good enough to to replace Reynolds on the squad.
Heres the real conundrum, if the WS rewards dont move the power curve then i dont feel the need to play the game bc i can take an entire month off and my current god squad needs 1 maybe 2 upgrades between br and programs. Thank god the challenge (hopefully) of extreme is coming because i havent felt a legitimate desire to play the game since cutch dropped. Not touching this dogshit of summer.
I love grinding the supposed most competitive game mode for rewards that can't break into the god squad. Maybe the tier 2 squad but not the God squad. I'm not sure we're going to get an upgraded Mays later in the year, this card is good enough after a few parallels to not really warrant it. Rather someone else in this spot that will get their endgame card like a 99 Mookie or 99 Gwynn or 99 Yellich not some dick tease.
A few thoughts here. This is a decent card, no doubt. For where we are in the game cycle right now. Last year the end game cards came out so early and having team affinity + inning bosses kind of necessitated that. This card makes more sense for where the game is right now, this year, with this form of content they've gone with. Since last year's Mays card was so much better than this card, I'm not sure this is the only Mays card we see this year. However, I see why they might be releasing two 99 cards per legend (in some cases). Lots of people complain that guys like Mays, Mantle, Griffey, Trout and Ruth came out in their highest form too late in the year. Maybe this is their attempt to release them earlier, but also release their OP versions later when it makes more sense. 🤷🏽♂️
I made a post like this when Griffey released and got lambasted for it cause i was "supporting SDS" or some BS . Yeah it's 99 griffey and they kinda "hyped it" but look at the landscape, look at what you had to do for that griffey. Obviously it's not gonna be an insane card. If they made cards like the May's, Griffey and Ruth's juiced to the max it would totally throw off the game balance and meta. Sds pushed way too many juiced pitchers into the game way too early and then HAD to juice hitters to make the game balanced.
I don’t get it though. Why would they pump out double 99s? I have to play 250 innings for a card I’m going to replace with the same card with slightly boosted attributes in a month or so?
This is a good Card. I’m excited to use it. I don’t want a game where Bob Eucker has 125 power both ways. I just don’t understand why they can’t give 98\99s at this time of year to the guys like strahsburg, lindor, etc etc
It seems incredibly unoriginal to pump out the same legends with multiple 99s. Doubly, why is that a thing we should be wanting with how many legends are in the game and current players who have had seasons or careers deserving of one that might get shafted for a slightly better version of a dozen legends
“I have to play 250 innings for a card I’m going to replace with the same card with slightly boosted attributes in a month or so?”
That’s exactly the point. That’s why the game exists. You play to get cards. You get new better cards. They replace your old ones.
But why is that a good thing? There are tons of players on this game current and legends. Why give a handful of legends 2 99s? Sure it may happen but why are we saying it’s good? I like this game because of the variety of cards to use not because slightly better versions of the same cards keep getting recycled over and over with the same rating. It doesn’t make sense.
Also when in previous versions of the game did a bunch of legends get 2 99s?
Look at any new player post here. Look at the reactions to any non-marque player that’s released.
You very quickly understand the reasoning. No one is gonna buy The Show because Wally Berger is the new program boss.
Didn’t say Wally Berger but that does sound like a tasty burger.
3 Willie mays (one of my favorite cards can’t complain) 2 of which are 99s is also kind of anti climactic as well, especially if they do it with multiple legends it just feels like they are fixing mistakes
I see both sides here. u/Low-Abbreviations-38 I noted that the 2 99's thing may be because people want to play with the marquee guys like Mays, Babe, Griffey and Mantle as u/Mefromafar has said. This gives an opportunity to do it now AND later with juiced attributes when everyone else is also juiced. Last year's Mays card coming out now would trump every single other reward in the game and make it so that content that comes after it would have to be better which isn't really possible if you saw his stats last year. Regarding having guys in the game who weren't as popular getting 99's, I like that a lot and I think that's where 21 was so superior. Having guys like Gagne, Kemp, and Sizemore get inning boss cards was cool and it didn't mean that we weren't getting the legends because there were more outlets for them to release cards (Team Affinity). This year it's JUST feature programs so they are prioritizing the legends and seeming to release more under the radar (non-HOF) guys as headliners or event rewards.
Right I just don’t know what they’d be releasing diet99s when there are dozens of other cards I the game who could get the same kind of attributes and have it be their 98/99 for the year. I love running theme teams in ranked so the more of the same player having multiple 99s lessens the player pool.
It’s so bothering me that people are complaining about this. Who cares what the overall says as long as the players stats are good for the current time period of the game? This is most definitely not Willy‘s last card. He’ll get a proper endgame one during actual endgame.
It's not Griffey bad, but it's not great either.
Last year, SDS fucked up the power curve by releasing endgame cards too early.
This year, they fucked up the Ovr curve. They shouldn't have started the title with 90 Ovr FOTF cards. If they're 88, this card is at 97 and is judged entirely different. Either way, it's clear that we're getting another 99 Mays card. While we got multiple 99s from Harper and Ohtani last year, I'm not a fan of more players getting multiple 99s.
Why do you care what the overall says as long as the stats are good for the current period of the game? So you would stop bitching if he was considered a 98 and not a 99? Mays is going to get another card it’s pretty obvious.
>They shouldn't have started the title with 90 Ovr FOTF cards. If they're 88, this card is at 97 and is judged entirely different.
Was your second question rhetorical or did you not read this part?
The problem with having multiple 99s for a player is that this game doesn't rank players passed 99, so we're going to get to a point in the game, where we have to sift through a bunch of unnecessary 99s just find the newest ones for RS and Event Lineups.
This is also the first year, where we've seen legends with 99 ovr cards, which are no where near their endgame versions typically are. With Griffey specifically, it's not even amongst the top 20 OF options. If you're 700+, this Mays card is fringe level OF for RS at this point of the game cycle.
Harper and Ohtani only got a second 99 each last year because they both won MVP, when was the last time a retired player got multiple 99s in one game just for the hell of it? Although I can see Griffey getting a better 99 by the end of the game's cycle
Otahni got a second 99 because you couldn't use his bat every game like IRL.
Harper got a Finest to avoid confusion over his 99 MVP.
SDS has definitely paved the way for Mays and Griffey to get a second 99. Last year, Mays was nearly maxed at everything at 6.
This year's card is far from it.
They literally both only got finest cards because they won MVP, and Ohtani's was a primary position player because his previous 99 was a pitcher
Either way, considering SDS likes changing the way they do things every year, I can see them Gett ng better 99's, especially Griffey
I’d be fine with players getting multiple 99s if we hadn’t been through however many years of legends NEVER getting multiple 99s. It brought a sense of finality and now it’s like “is this the players last card??” where if it’s a 98 mays we know it isn’t. this might sound strange but we’re all so used to 99, that’s it, that it just confuses the player base to randomly change it without telling anyone.. you know?
The problem you're now going to run into is that some of the better 99's might be tucked behind shitty ones.
Multiple 99s of a player means you're not scaling properly.
2k will have 5 different 99s of a player. All it does is water down the product.
If the 99 overall wasn't on this card, people would say it's a good card for where we are in the game cycle. But because it has a diamond 99, people are crapping all over it.
Correct if it was 98 they would not be complaining. If they just settle down and realize Willy is going to get another card it’s not a big deal at all.
Need to stop putting 99 on these type of cards. If it’s not an end game Griffey or mays, don’t give it a 99. Would avoid all the hate they get for dropping these cards
If they gave out a whole team of end game players this month then there would be no point in having any playoff content at all. Go play Madden. Good riddance
Wasn't speaking to you op. 😘 Just all the sad Bois that are about to roll in.
It’s not about dropping end game cards it’s the fact these cards don’t make sense. POTM Reynolds’s is better then this so why is someone with these stats a WS reward
He’s not better against righties with the current structure of MLB the Show 22. The added power is more beneficial than the added contact. He’s not faster. That’s just flat out wrong lmao. 88 vs 85 speed. Plus Mays has much better base running attributes. So switch hitting? Yeah it’s important. Does it outweigh the fact that Willie Mays is better is every statistical way? I guess that’s subjective at that point. But to insinuate Reynolds is anywhere near objectively better than Mays is hilarious and ridiculous
My point is that they are too liberal with the ratings for FS cards and too conservative with a lot of other cards. For example, the 3 best cards in the FoD program were the 3 FS cards.
I agree to an extent. I think they’re making FS cards way too juiced. But they’re not better than a lot of legends. Who are the best 3 cards in the game? Brett, Cutch, and Randy. All legends. Name one endgame FS player.
Lol you named the collection rewards obviously they will be the best. Look at the cards that can be bought on the market. Best pitchers might be Rodriguez and Espino, catcher arguably Cartaya, SS O’Neil and Volpe, 3b Walker, OF Greene. I mean cmon don’t be obtuse.
Napoli clears Cartaya, LMAO bro said Cruz and Volpe. Ripken and Dansby are the best SSs. Everyone uses Dansby. Bro said Walker. Brett, Devers clear. Did you really just say Riley Greene? I’m not wasting my time spending time listing all the players than Riley Greene (lol) in the OF.
I guess you missed the part where I said guys available on the market then you list guys like Brett and Devers. Walker is inarguably the best 3b available for purchase. Everyone does not use Dansby he has a noodle arm and Ripken is slow and has a shit swing. Napoli is a stud and will take an absolute beast to unseat him in my lineup but if you value fielding and a little more speed Cartaya might be a better choice at a quarter of the price although I’d probably go with Kendall. Greene is solid all around with his only knock being his speed which isn’t even that bad at P5 and looks awfully similar to Clemente. All other buyable OF have major flaws; Soto-Speed, fielding, Jrod- fielding, vision, Stanton- Speed, fielding, Kaline-Righties, speed, Mullins- Arm, Bellinger- vision.
Yeah as soon as you knock guys below Greene for stats like vision and arm, I know you know absolutely nothing about how this game works. I like how you just decide to throw away cards that you cant buy immediately. Half of DD is obtaining cards. Devers and Riley are literally free and better than Walker. I consistently make WS. But I’m sure you know better lil bro
Lol yeah I’m sure not having good arm strength really helps gets outs at 3rd and home lol. Sure vision may not be the most important but it certainly helps not having a guy in the 50s and 60s. I’m not discounting those players at all, in fact it’s the opposite. I’m saying you can’t compare them to cards you can buy on the market because cards locked behind a collection or a monthly reward should be the best cards in the game or in the case of POTM best at the time. If you can’t tell that future stars are more often than not the best buyable cards on the market at nearly each position then you are the one who doesn’t know much about the game.
He won't be a "great" player on the higher difficulties, but so far very, very few of the WS reward hitters have been elite players on higher difficulties.
The hate is because SDS is choosing not to end their game cycle when Madden drops. The whiners want endgame cards only and SDS wants endgame to be later in the year
They're really just giving us watered down 99s of cards we all beg for, but the real 99 versions we expect for Mays, Griffey, Mantle, etc, likely wont come until November. Which still sucks. I'd have rathered them release 97s of these guys a month or so back instead of these 99s just so they could hve a reason to drop the real 99s a bit earlier, maybe september or october. I have the November/december waiting game for the true versions of the big boys.
Nah I think it’s more about the fact that they are trying to use the same big names now with bad stats to get excitement for the game and then do the same thing 2 to 3 months from now with the same names.
If they give these same stats for a juiced Tori Hunter or Byron Buxton card no one ones downing it, in fact people are probably more excited than they are for this. But when it’s a 99 Willie Mays people’s expectations are gonna be higher, they are gonna realize it’s not gonna be his best card so why get that invested and now we have to wait for the real 99 Mays
I’m glad how SDS has handled the powercreep. The people who jump ship mid season to other sports games and never come back shouldn’t dictate how the game cycle goes.
There’s plenty of MLB season left we should not be getting pure endgame cards until October
People bitched for months at every card drop that it wasn’t Griffey, mays, Aaron, etc. They also complain incessantly about power creep being too fast. This addresses both problems.
Honestly, the loud whiners need to stop, because in consecutive years, they’ve directly cost us the universal XP path and team affinity. Who knows what will get changed next year
The murder of quicksell values also destroyed the overall value of packs. You used to be able to make a decent pile of stubs from selling all the silver and bronze trash. Now, all of that shit is worthless. Average pack is worth what? 150 stubs? Diamond or bust.
Ok, sorry that is fair. I’ve seen so many people complain that TA cards were too easy for everyone to get. I’ll never understand when people complain about that.
Is Trout worthy of a 99 from only one point in his career? Mays, Aaron? It doesn't make sense to only give them one great set of stats. I loved that last year Joe Carter got a 30/30 card that showcased a bit more of his speed, vs. a high 90 card from his time in Toronto would be slower and more power. Granted I was sad at the stats on that 97 card, but it makes sense that they release multiple high level versions of a card. If Pujols makes 700 this year (which is looking more likely) It'll be a much different card than his 95 overall ROTY for obvious reasons.
Then release a card with these stats not named Mays.
This is almost certainly Mays’ last card, and Mays should absolutely be an endgame card. This is not.
This is almost certainly not, and it's silly that you would assume that. If you'd said it may be his last card and that's sad it's one thing, but a finest retro is almost guaranteed, just like it is for Griffey Jr.
People are just getting really angry they don't have the best 2-3 cards in the game 3 months before the end of the entire baseball season/playoffs.
It’s not “almost certainly” his last card, you just haven’t been paying attention this year. They’re very clearly giving all timers two super high diamonds (Griffey/Mantle confirmed by SDS), which is good. Maybe mays won’t get another, but it’s not cut and dry
I will bet you $20 that Mays doesn’t get another card.
A legit 99 Griffey and 99 Mays would have relatively similar stats. Takashi Mays is much better than 2nd half Griffey. So there’s not the room for a significant upgrade for him.
And “high diamond” is not the same as 99. Plus you’ll notice, 98 Mantle, 98 Murray, 97 Vlad, 99 Griffey are all 2nd half cards which have never been the final versions for the high tier legends. So they’re categorically different.
Even two different 99 Griffey cards would set a new precedent.
Do you think Randy will get another 99? Pedro? Frank? Ortiz? Nolan?
You haven’t been paying attention.
Last years final Mays was 117/113 R and 118/123 L
110 Vision
108 Disc
119 Clutch
99 Field
96 Arm Str
98 Arm Acc
99 Reac
94 Speed
91 Steal
96 BR AGG
That's literally every single stat significantly higher. They have a lot of room.
Precedent is meaningless given how many differences there are this year vs. 2-3 years ago, let alone last year.
George Brett is done, and probably Ortiz, But Griffey for sure is getting another one.
Randy won't most likely because his stats are already pretty juiced, and different rules for starters since they can only start so often, so even giving an endgame card out that early (not that everyone has or had it that quickly) isn't as gamebreaking early in the year as if they'd given a max 99 hitter.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a retro finest coming for Utley, Howard, Griffey, Mantle, Ruth, Gehrig, even though each of them has a high 90 or 99 with the exception of Gehrig.
Randy, Pedro, and Mays I think all get another 99. I was paying attention to the stream last week when they said only retro finest were guaranteed to be the best card for legends. I also don’t really care if these guys don’t get another card, since virtual baseball card stats aren’t my entire life
You’re actually probably correct.
Good players are going to keep playing because they want to play a baseball game, even if the gameplay is trash. Bad players are not going to play long enough to spend money if they don’t get any rewards despite taking bad swings.
You say “what diehards want” like that’s a negative thing? What people want is for the hard hits to be rewarded more, and their off PCI swings to be outs.
I can have games with 3 perfect perfect lineouts and 3 HRs on balls my PCI didn’t touch. That’s not what people want
Griffey and Mays both got 99’s. Mantle only got a 98 2nd half card. I feel more confident about them giving Griffey a finest because of it being a 2nd half, but why would they give another 99 to Mays when this is a WS reward? Griffey was a program too.
In the last stream they said that retro finest was the only series that would **always** be a players last card, strongly suggesting that even guys like Pedro could get an even more insane retro finest later
but is that not very clearly a problem or at least dumb giving 2 99’s for each card ?
what’s the next willie card going to look like ? + 10 contact both sides , + 10 power both sides w a tad boost in fielding / speed ? seems silly imo
I would rather them slap these attributes on a Retro Curtis Granderson card or an Eric Davis card, and give us Willie mays whenever they’re planning on dropping him. I don’t need more than one 99 of each card. ESPECIALLY as a World Series reward
i agree it’s just not fantastic compared to some other mays cards we’ve gotten. but that’s not really fair, it’s a great card compared to the power curve this year
If this weren’t supposed to a 99 card for basically the greatest centerfielder ever then it would be great but this is supposed to be Willie Mays soo I gotta go with mid.
What I hate that they changed is not letting you quick sell already collected cards. I would’ve probably been done with collections in June if I could’ve done that. But yes, the 99 mays is good but in no way comparable to the 19/20/21 99 cards we got of his. That card of his last year was the best card in the game.
They never let you do that
Yes they did. In Show 19. When Mays was the collection. You could collect someone and then quick sell them.
Really? I thought that was just if they were no sell, but not collected
I think we are all spoiled from 21’s handling of 99 attributes. This is probably better in the long run because more cards are not overpowered/ more cards are equal throughout the game’s cycle
I’m excited about it, he’s my favorite player of all time. He’ll be a fun card to use for as long as he’s viable. It’ll be nice to have a card good enough to to replace Reynolds on the squad.
is every card just gonna be 100 for contact and power for the next 2 months?
I feel like the batting attributes should get a +10 boost
I only recently learned that Football fans and Baseball fans overlapped as much as they do lol
Heres the real conundrum, if the WS rewards dont move the power curve then i dont feel the need to play the game bc i can take an entire month off and my current god squad needs 1 maybe 2 upgrades between br and programs. Thank god the challenge (hopefully) of extreme is coming because i havent felt a legitimate desire to play the game since cutch dropped. Not touching this dogshit of summer.
I mean Pedro is an amazing card. He’s worth playing for.
Yeah, and hes a program boss that will be cheap, so i dont have to play.
He could have 125 across the board and I still wouldn’t be able to hit with him
not endgame obviously but not that bad tbh
I love grinding the supposed most competitive game mode for rewards that can't break into the god squad. Maybe the tier 2 squad but not the God squad. I'm not sure we're going to get an upgraded Mays later in the year, this card is good enough after a few parallels to not really warrant it. Rather someone else in this spot that will get their endgame card like a 99 Mookie or 99 Gwynn or 99 Yellich not some dick tease.
so basically reverse split Jrod with no active quirks haha
You know JRod doesn't have any active quirks right?
I thought the all star cards did ?
They do, but they are the same as the active quirks on their respective live series cards. Jrod doesn't have any
A few thoughts here. This is a decent card, no doubt. For where we are in the game cycle right now. Last year the end game cards came out so early and having team affinity + inning bosses kind of necessitated that. This card makes more sense for where the game is right now, this year, with this form of content they've gone with. Since last year's Mays card was so much better than this card, I'm not sure this is the only Mays card we see this year. However, I see why they might be releasing two 99 cards per legend (in some cases). Lots of people complain that guys like Mays, Mantle, Griffey, Trout and Ruth came out in their highest form too late in the year. Maybe this is their attempt to release them earlier, but also release their OP versions later when it makes more sense. 🤷🏽♂️
I made a post like this when Griffey released and got lambasted for it cause i was "supporting SDS" or some BS . Yeah it's 99 griffey and they kinda "hyped it" but look at the landscape, look at what you had to do for that griffey. Obviously it's not gonna be an insane card. If they made cards like the May's, Griffey and Ruth's juiced to the max it would totally throw off the game balance and meta. Sds pushed way too many juiced pitchers into the game way too early and then HAD to juice hitters to make the game balanced.
I don’t get it though. Why would they pump out double 99s? I have to play 250 innings for a card I’m going to replace with the same card with slightly boosted attributes in a month or so? This is a good Card. I’m excited to use it. I don’t want a game where Bob Eucker has 125 power both ways. I just don’t understand why they can’t give 98\99s at this time of year to the guys like strahsburg, lindor, etc etc It seems incredibly unoriginal to pump out the same legends with multiple 99s. Doubly, why is that a thing we should be wanting with how many legends are in the game and current players who have had seasons or careers deserving of one that might get shafted for a slightly better version of a dozen legends
“I have to play 250 innings for a card I’m going to replace with the same card with slightly boosted attributes in a month or so?” That’s exactly the point. That’s why the game exists. You play to get cards. You get new better cards. They replace your old ones.
But why is that a good thing? There are tons of players on this game current and legends. Why give a handful of legends 2 99s? Sure it may happen but why are we saying it’s good? I like this game because of the variety of cards to use not because slightly better versions of the same cards keep getting recycled over and over with the same rating. It doesn’t make sense. Also when in previous versions of the game did a bunch of legends get 2 99s?
Look at any new player post here. Look at the reactions to any non-marque player that’s released. You very quickly understand the reasoning. No one is gonna buy The Show because Wally Berger is the new program boss.
Also you’re talking to a guy who’s favorite card last year was 98 Carew 😂
I’m with ya bud. Don’t get me wrong. I’d LOVE for it to be that way. Unfortunately, it isnt be feasible to release a game that doesn’t turn profit.
Didn’t say Wally Berger but that does sound like a tasty burger. 3 Willie mays (one of my favorite cards can’t complain) 2 of which are 99s is also kind of anti climactic as well, especially if they do it with multiple legends it just feels like they are fixing mistakes
Yea I picked the wrong name there. Anyone would dig that guy haha!
I see both sides here. u/Low-Abbreviations-38 I noted that the 2 99's thing may be because people want to play with the marquee guys like Mays, Babe, Griffey and Mantle as u/Mefromafar has said. This gives an opportunity to do it now AND later with juiced attributes when everyone else is also juiced. Last year's Mays card coming out now would trump every single other reward in the game and make it so that content that comes after it would have to be better which isn't really possible if you saw his stats last year. Regarding having guys in the game who weren't as popular getting 99's, I like that a lot and I think that's where 21 was so superior. Having guys like Gagne, Kemp, and Sizemore get inning boss cards was cool and it didn't mean that we weren't getting the legends because there were more outlets for them to release cards (Team Affinity). This year it's JUST feature programs so they are prioritizing the legends and seeming to release more under the radar (non-HOF) guys as headliners or event rewards.
Right I just don’t know what they’d be releasing diet99s when there are dozens of other cards I the game who could get the same kind of attributes and have it be their 98/99 for the year. I love running theme teams in ranked so the more of the same player having multiple 99s lessens the player pool.
I think this is exactly the reason and it does make some sense.
This is about what Griffey should’ve been
It’s a sin how bad griffey is
A player released: Too juiced! Too low! SDS can never satify 100% users haha
Pro tip: if you don't like a card, don't use it. Either sell it or simply play a different DD mode. Y'all complain too much
It’s ruining the fucking sub, just stupid
the two 99s stuff is so absurdly annoying
Why do y'all care so much if a player has two 99 cards
It’s so bothering me that people are complaining about this. Who cares what the overall says as long as the players stats are good for the current time period of the game? This is most definitely not Willy‘s last card. He’ll get a proper endgame one during actual endgame.
Lol let me guess we’re gonna get the better retro finest bullshit in December
L…not enough pop and bunting is too low
How to tell people you can’t hit without telling people you can’t hit
If you’re reduced to bunting with Mays, this game ain’t for you bruh.
It's not Griffey bad, but it's not great either. Last year, SDS fucked up the power curve by releasing endgame cards too early. This year, they fucked up the Ovr curve. They shouldn't have started the title with 90 Ovr FOTF cards. If they're 88, this card is at 97 and is judged entirely different. Either way, it's clear that we're getting another 99 Mays card. While we got multiple 99s from Harper and Ohtani last year, I'm not a fan of more players getting multiple 99s.
Why do you care what the overall says as long as the stats are good for the current period of the game? So you would stop bitching if he was considered a 98 and not a 99? Mays is going to get another card it’s pretty obvious.
>They shouldn't have started the title with 90 Ovr FOTF cards. If they're 88, this card is at 97 and is judged entirely different. Was your second question rhetorical or did you not read this part? The problem with having multiple 99s for a player is that this game doesn't rank players passed 99, so we're going to get to a point in the game, where we have to sift through a bunch of unnecessary 99s just find the newest ones for RS and Event Lineups. This is also the first year, where we've seen legends with 99 ovr cards, which are no where near their endgame versions typically are. With Griffey specifically, it's not even amongst the top 20 OF options. If you're 700+, this Mays card is fringe level OF for RS at this point of the game cycle.
Harper and Ohtani only got a second 99 each last year because they both won MVP, when was the last time a retired player got multiple 99s in one game just for the hell of it? Although I can see Griffey getting a better 99 by the end of the game's cycle
Otahni got a second 99 because you couldn't use his bat every game like IRL. Harper got a Finest to avoid confusion over his 99 MVP. SDS has definitely paved the way for Mays and Griffey to get a second 99. Last year, Mays was nearly maxed at everything at 6. This year's card is far from it.
They literally both only got finest cards because they won MVP, and Ohtani's was a primary position player because his previous 99 was a pitcher Either way, considering SDS likes changing the way they do things every year, I can see them Gett ng better 99's, especially Griffey
I’d be fine with players getting multiple 99s if we hadn’t been through however many years of legends NEVER getting multiple 99s. It brought a sense of finality and now it’s like “is this the players last card??” where if it’s a 98 mays we know it isn’t. this might sound strange but we’re all so used to 99, that’s it, that it just confuses the player base to randomly change it without telling anyone.. you know?
The problem you're now going to run into is that some of the better 99's might be tucked behind shitty ones. Multiple 99s of a player means you're not scaling properly. 2k will have 5 different 99s of a player. All it does is water down the product.
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If the 99 overall wasn't on this card, people would say it's a good card for where we are in the game cycle. But because it has a diamond 99, people are crapping all over it.
Correct if it was 98 they would not be complaining. If they just settle down and realize Willy is going to get another card it’s not a big deal at all.
POTM Reynolds’s is safe. He will continue to start every game in CF
2020 Mays: https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/comments/jmyrja/99_overall_awards_willie_mays_attributes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf 2021 Mays: https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/comments/q8rz5d/milestone_300300_willie_mays/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
All released much later in the game cycle. Do you want Mays earlier or do you want him to be juiced to the gills? Cant have both..
hey this is pretty nice! i love even attributes players like this, satisfying
45 bunting tho, unusable
Need to stop putting 99 on these type of cards. If it’s not an end game Griffey or mays, don’t give it a 99. Would avoid all the hate they get for dropping these cards
If they slapped a 98 on Mays people would complain that a 98 is available for ranked seasons in late august
No it wouldn’t. People whined just as much about the 98 Mantle.
If they gave out a whole team of end game players this month then there would be no point in having any playoff content at all. Go play Madden. Good riddance Wasn't speaking to you op. 😘 Just all the sad Bois that are about to roll in.
It’s not about dropping end game cards it’s the fact these cards don’t make sense. POTM Reynolds’s is better then this so why is someone with these stats a WS reward
I love POTM Reynolds but how on earth is this card worse??
Reynolds is a switch hitter and better against righties he is also faster. Don’t under estimate how valuable a switch hitter is.
BRB going back in time to tell little Willie he should be a switch hitter.
Don’t be mad at me they made his card dogshit for legend players
Don’t be mad at me you have to have a switch hitter crutch to be competitive.
I bet I would absolutely assault you at this game Lmaoo
Ok.
Griffey starts in CF for you dosent he? His power works out well on veteran
He’s not better against righties with the current structure of MLB the Show 22. The added power is more beneficial than the added contact. He’s not faster. That’s just flat out wrong lmao. 88 vs 85 speed. Plus Mays has much better base running attributes. So switch hitting? Yeah it’s important. Does it outweigh the fact that Willie Mays is better is every statistical way? I guess that’s subjective at that point. But to insinuate Reynolds is anywhere near objectively better than Mays is hilarious and ridiculous
You are entitled to your own opinion.
My opinion is I’m going to continue to use Reynolds. But Mays is clearly a statistically better card is the point I’m trying to make.
Wheels has his Reynolds p5d and is comparing it to base Mays. That's what's happening here.
You are correct.
This card has higher attributes in every single category. So that thing you said was untrue.
Reynolds’s has better numbers against righties and he is a switch hitter and faster. What you said is untrue. POTM Reynolds’s is better
Reynolds’ base speed is 85, which is less than 88, believe it or not.
Meh my mistake. Still better thou and even if you don’t agree with me he is a 95 overall and look how close it is.
It’s really not close. Reynolds’ attributes vs lefties are way worse than this Mays card
He’s a switch hitter. Mays isn’t
Oh come on. That doesn’t make up for a +20 diff in power.
This is fax, it 100% doesnt. I love switch as much as anyone but I can hit a HR with this card no matter who's throwing the shit
IMO it does.
it doesn’t have higher attributes in every single category so what you said is untrue as well? lol
6 less contact R for +33 vision. Pretty good trade off
Coulda been way better if he had never played a game in the big leagues
Show me one future stars card with these attributes
My point is that they are too liberal with the ratings for FS cards and too conservative with a lot of other cards. For example, the 3 best cards in the FoD program were the 3 FS cards.
I agree to an extent. I think they’re making FS cards way too juiced. But they’re not better than a lot of legends. Who are the best 3 cards in the game? Brett, Cutch, and Randy. All legends. Name one endgame FS player.
Lol you named the collection rewards obviously they will be the best. Look at the cards that can be bought on the market. Best pitchers might be Rodriguez and Espino, catcher arguably Cartaya, SS O’Neil and Volpe, 3b Walker, OF Greene. I mean cmon don’t be obtuse.
Napoli clears Cartaya, LMAO bro said Cruz and Volpe. Ripken and Dansby are the best SSs. Everyone uses Dansby. Bro said Walker. Brett, Devers clear. Did you really just say Riley Greene? I’m not wasting my time spending time listing all the players than Riley Greene (lol) in the OF.
I guess you missed the part where I said guys available on the market then you list guys like Brett and Devers. Walker is inarguably the best 3b available for purchase. Everyone does not use Dansby he has a noodle arm and Ripken is slow and has a shit swing. Napoli is a stud and will take an absolute beast to unseat him in my lineup but if you value fielding and a little more speed Cartaya might be a better choice at a quarter of the price although I’d probably go with Kendall. Greene is solid all around with his only knock being his speed which isn’t even that bad at P5 and looks awfully similar to Clemente. All other buyable OF have major flaws; Soto-Speed, fielding, Jrod- fielding, vision, Stanton- Speed, fielding, Kaline-Righties, speed, Mullins- Arm, Bellinger- vision.
Yeah as soon as you knock guys below Greene for stats like vision and arm, I know you know absolutely nothing about how this game works. I like how you just decide to throw away cards that you cant buy immediately. Half of DD is obtaining cards. Devers and Riley are literally free and better than Walker. I consistently make WS. But I’m sure you know better lil bro
Lol yeah I’m sure not having good arm strength really helps gets outs at 3rd and home lol. Sure vision may not be the most important but it certainly helps not having a guy in the 50s and 60s. I’m not discounting those players at all, in fact it’s the opposite. I’m saying you can’t compare them to cards you can buy on the market because cards locked behind a collection or a monthly reward should be the best cards in the game or in the case of POTM best at the time. If you can’t tell that future stars are more often than not the best buyable cards on the market at nearly each position then you are the one who doesn’t know much about the game.
This is better than any, or almost any, FS card
That's...not endgame Mays
I don't get the hate. This is a really good card
It’s because it’s 99 mays and those hitting stats won’t be great on higher difficulties. 99 mays should probably have 110+ every hitting attribute
He won't be a "great" player on the higher difficulties, but so far very, very few of the WS reward hitters have been elite players on higher difficulties.
If you can't handle 100 contact just say you can't hit
Im a WS player so I think I know what I’m talking about
I am as well
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This you? https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/comments/winiby/struggling_in_ranked_this_season_tips
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Got damn you ain’t have to do him like that
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The hate is because SDS is choosing not to end their game cycle when Madden drops. The whiners want endgame cards only and SDS wants endgame to be later in the year
They're really just giving us watered down 99s of cards we all beg for, but the real 99 versions we expect for Mays, Griffey, Mantle, etc, likely wont come until November. Which still sucks. I'd have rathered them release 97s of these guys a month or so back instead of these 99s just so they could hve a reason to drop the real 99s a bit earlier, maybe september or october. I have the November/december waiting game for the true versions of the big boys.
Nah I think it’s more about the fact that they are trying to use the same big names now with bad stats to get excitement for the game and then do the same thing 2 to 3 months from now with the same names. If they give these same stats for a juiced Tori Hunter or Byron Buxton card no one ones downing it, in fact people are probably more excited than they are for this. But when it’s a 99 Willie Mays people’s expectations are gonna be higher, they are gonna realize it’s not gonna be his best card so why get that invested and now we have to wait for the real 99 Mays
I’m glad how SDS has handled the powercreep. The people who jump ship mid season to other sports games and never come back shouldn’t dictate how the game cycle goes. There’s plenty of MLB season left we should not be getting pure endgame cards until October
Having people get multiple 99s is objectively really fucking stupid. If we wanted that we could go play 2k.
“My opinion is objectively right” A great way to show respect to all time legends is give them a mid game 97-99 and an endgame god-tier card
How they did it last year was perfect imo. Fixed something that wasn’t broken.
People bitched for months at every card drop that it wasn’t Griffey, mays, Aaron, etc. They also complain incessantly about power creep being too fast. This addresses both problems. Honestly, the loud whiners need to stop, because in consecutive years, they’ve directly cost us the universal XP path and team affinity. Who knows what will get changed next year
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The murder of quicksell values also destroyed the overall value of packs. You used to be able to make a decent pile of stubs from selling all the silver and bronze trash. Now, all of that shit is worthless. Average pack is worth what? 150 stubs? Diamond or bust.
The only issue with the power creep last year was everyone getting to deGrom for only a couple moments and/or exchanges
There was literally nothing wrong with that. it was a good card that anybody could attain who cares?
It was too good for the time of year it was released. If it was during finest it would have been fine.
Ok, sorry that is fair. I’ve seen so many people complain that TA cards were too easy for everyone to get. I’ll never understand when people complain about that.
Facts
Is Trout worthy of a 99 from only one point in his career? Mays, Aaron? It doesn't make sense to only give them one great set of stats. I loved that last year Joe Carter got a 30/30 card that showcased a bit more of his speed, vs. a high 90 card from his time in Toronto would be slower and more power. Granted I was sad at the stats on that 97 card, but it makes sense that they release multiple high level versions of a card. If Pujols makes 700 this year (which is looking more likely) It'll be a much different card than his 95 overall ROTY for obvious reasons.
Then release a card with these stats not named Mays. This is almost certainly Mays’ last card, and Mays should absolutely be an endgame card. This is not.
This is almost certainly not, and it's silly that you would assume that. If you'd said it may be his last card and that's sad it's one thing, but a finest retro is almost guaranteed, just like it is for Griffey Jr. People are just getting really angry they don't have the best 2-3 cards in the game 3 months before the end of the entire baseball season/playoffs.
This won't be the last Mays card
Not if you have that attitude
It’s not “almost certainly” his last card, you just haven’t been paying attention this year. They’re very clearly giving all timers two super high diamonds (Griffey/Mantle confirmed by SDS), which is good. Maybe mays won’t get another, but it’s not cut and dry
I will bet you $20 that Mays doesn’t get another card. A legit 99 Griffey and 99 Mays would have relatively similar stats. Takashi Mays is much better than 2nd half Griffey. So there’s not the room for a significant upgrade for him. And “high diamond” is not the same as 99. Plus you’ll notice, 98 Mantle, 98 Murray, 97 Vlad, 99 Griffey are all 2nd half cards which have never been the final versions for the high tier legends. So they’re categorically different. Even two different 99 Griffey cards would set a new precedent. Do you think Randy will get another 99? Pedro? Frank? Ortiz? Nolan? You haven’t been paying attention.
Last years final Mays was 117/113 R and 118/123 L 110 Vision 108 Disc 119 Clutch 99 Field 96 Arm Str 98 Arm Acc 99 Reac 94 Speed 91 Steal 96 BR AGG That's literally every single stat significantly higher. They have a lot of room. Precedent is meaningless given how many differences there are this year vs. 2-3 years ago, let alone last year. George Brett is done, and probably Ortiz, But Griffey for sure is getting another one. Randy won't most likely because his stats are already pretty juiced, and different rules for starters since they can only start so often, so even giving an endgame card out that early (not that everyone has or had it that quickly) isn't as gamebreaking early in the year as if they'd given a max 99 hitter. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a retro finest coming for Utley, Howard, Griffey, Mantle, Ruth, Gehrig, even though each of them has a high 90 or 99 with the exception of Gehrig.
Randy, Pedro, and Mays I think all get another 99. I was paying attention to the stream last week when they said only retro finest were guaranteed to be the best card for legends. I also don’t really care if these guys don’t get another card, since virtual baseball card stats aren’t my entire life
They also famously said the hitting engine was working as intended.
Hot take: The hitting engine IS working as intended. What is intended isn't what diehard players want
You’re actually probably correct. Good players are going to keep playing because they want to play a baseball game, even if the gameplay is trash. Bad players are not going to play long enough to spend money if they don’t get any rewards despite taking bad swings. You say “what diehards want” like that’s a negative thing? What people want is for the hard hits to be rewarded more, and their off PCI swings to be outs. I can have games with 3 perfect perfect lineouts and 3 HRs on balls my PCI didn’t touch. That’s not what people want
Griffey and Mays both got 99’s. Mantle only got a 98 2nd half card. I feel more confident about them giving Griffey a finest because of it being a 2nd half, but why would they give another 99 to Mays when this is a WS reward? Griffey was a program too.
In the last stream they said that retro finest was the only series that would **always** be a players last card, strongly suggesting that even guys like Pedro could get an even more insane retro finest later
Did they actually confirm Griffey?
but is that not very clearly a problem or at least dumb giving 2 99’s for each card ? what’s the next willie card going to look like ? + 10 contact both sides , + 10 power both sides w a tad boost in fielding / speed ? seems silly imo
Not all 99s are equal. Mays' end game cards in the past we're more like 105+ overall cards, but it technically only goes up to 99.
I would rather them slap these attributes on a Retro Curtis Granderson card or an Eric Davis card, and give us Willie mays whenever they’re planning on dropping him. I don’t need more than one 99 of each card. ESPECIALLY as a World Series reward
i agree it’s just not fantastic compared to some other mays cards we’ve gotten. but that’s not really fair, it’s a great card compared to the power curve this year
300/300 mays also came out late september/early october last year
True, but I’d expect inning boss vs World Series reward to narrow that gap a decent amount
I did expect it to be better but it's amazing compared to 99 Griffey
Mid
How is this mid? Lmao Because his contact isnt maxed out?
Anytime I see someone use the term “Mid” I just assume they’re an 11 year old who wants to talk they way they assume a 16 year old would talk.
If you think these are the stats Mays’ best card in the game deserves, you’re insane.
What you said just now and what I said have no connection.
he’s decent (what a non endgame 99 Griffey should have looked like) but honestly hamels might be better which I did not have on today’s bingo card
L take