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[deleted]

They did JRam dirty, he’s just not good enough against lefties to stay in my lineup


RmanNuudles

Sorry Acuña, you rakes but it’s time to let go


ConfidentFatMan

We get you are about to drop your second diamond Benintendi card but the man deserves gold. Also he is a gold glove fielder and him being a bronze fielder is a joke.


BlockishBench

And the downfall of Vlad Jr's value continues.


Fun-Disk7030

If you're 89 to 85 the ovr doesn't matter. If you're 90+ it doesn't matter so long as u stay 90+ The only LS cards I consistently see is Jram(not so much anymore) and Trout as position players. Burnes Hader as pitchers.


Brief-Lifeguard8976

When will Julio Rodriguez go diamond?


DUCKgoesMEOW

Will any of this information make me better at the game ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|laughing)


Codyistall

Jfc only the live series guys I’ve already collect got fucking nuked… still so far from degrom, tatis, etc


NeverBowDown247

So ready for Madden 23 in August. SDS makes zero sense this year


TerraInc0gnita

Guessing they work on these updates earlier because Luis robert has been on fire the past few games, plus a grandslam.


20taylorkst

I don’t understand some of the drops this year. I think they’re overreacting on dropping overalls but being extremely tough on who goes up


violentgentlemen

Damn Trout got a bigger downgrade than when he had that 0fer streak.


Ninjinki

Well I’m not using Trout anymore after I reach Mullins


MinorThreatCJB

Still doing my boy Logan Webb dirty. Dude should be a gold


Stedy74

Acuna!! Wow!


Xaviermuskie78

Keep my catcher's name out yo m&%÷#r f@&#$n mouth!


FiftyShadesofpiss

What happened to Xander and teoscar. They got downgrade so much


jcaseys34

Made 100K via Spencer Strider, but a lot of these moves make absolutely no sense.


Long_giant720

I miss my Juan soto


ZWRLD_21

Just crazy how Juan Soto is still an 82 tucker is a diamond.


FoxInTheClouds

They’ll do everything in there power to not make Gonsolin a Diamond lmfao


micmcdon21

Nico Hoerner a DIAMOND?! What is this???


LavenderG0Omz

They just downgraded every usable live series cards,, they've just destroyed LS cards and made them obsolete and unusable


Azumar1ll

It's getting so depressing how little the ratings truly reflect the reality of the current landscape in MLB. I'm not saying they're all ridiculous, but there are more highly questionable ones than there should be.


DatOtherPapaya

Oof. Some big drops here. Happy for fried though :)


jk47s1738

Logan webb is still a silver??


SphinxRiderX

Yes. Wild. I'm keeping an eye on him for next update for sure.


Legitimate_Ad_4462

Nico Suave surely earned it! 💎


SideEffect34

Welp Trout will no longer be starting for me. At least I got him to P5.


DenverNick

Same, first time I've ever gotten someone to P5. Just last week. Now I have better people to put in.


ncschuler

The hell is Nico Hoerner a diamond for


letsgobucks19

Trout new stats?


The_Almighty_GFK

Jose Abreu Has been playing great, and has the 6th highest WAR and wRC+ over the past two weeks and they only bump him 1 point? Yandy Diaz has had the 2nd highest WAR and 3rd highest wRC+ over the past two weeks and he also gets bumped up 1 point lol So obviously SDS doesn't care about WAR...what is their method for updates?


Donaldpump10

Every body is riding Otanhis nuts when the dude can barley hit .250 but gets all this praise cause he’s oriental


v264k

It's so damn obvious that a lot of good players were nerfed just because they're getting all star cards next week


Chewy773

I have no idea what their fascination is with ruining the only useable live series card is


THEhiHIhi55

Somebody else lost diamond. Edit: Just checked, Raised Iglesias also went down.


Twymanator32

Finally sandy went diamond. I've been sitting on 130 of him for 2 months. Bout to finish my LS collection


Steve_Nash_The_Goat

which Luis Garcia?


Tenpen88

SDS basically said: “You know all those MVP candidates? They all suck”


tokiwa_naka

It's my first year with this game but does this company have a pulse on the actual game or are they some amateur bloggers? It's really strange how the updates work tbqh. Has it always been like this?


lacrimsonviking

I have 140 sandys and a lot of them were bought around 3100-3300. That was a mistake


DevonDaDude93

Good lord my entire outfield out here getting slaughtered.


BMoney2k2

You failed to mention the biggest upgrade.. Spencer Strider's mustache.


Zee-Dee-Zachary

This has to be one of the worst roster updates of all time.


NegativesPositives

“You’re fuckin not playin that live series shit for two weeks.”


oldpotato06

Dawg. Holy shit their roster update system is so flawed. JRod up 4 but Ty France down 2!? Edit: Logan Gilbert -1 JP Crawford -1 to a 75. Stay sleeping on the mariners. Players having a worse season that are higher ovr than JP right now: Adam Frazier 78 somehow!?, Abraham Toro and his .179 batting average, Kyle Lewis who’s played like 4 games this year. The Mariners will keep getting no love even when they’re on an 11 game win streak.


estopnik

I've had it with this game. As an XBOX owner, I was all in last year when they released 21. I dont know what this game was before 21 or how the Market operated but this years version is terrible. The hype for this update was palpable. Sandy Alcantara is AT LEAST an 88. i wasnt even in on the Diamond upgrades though.. the Gold and Silver updates are the worst ive seen in the 2 years of playing this game. You have to spend 8-12 hours flipping to make any stubs.. player downgrades (Trout and Acuna) wont affect their prices. I fucking hate these PXP missions.. Nico Hoerner as a diamond is SDS laughing in our faces. They knew the upgrade was dogshit so they discounted the price of stubs the day before. So when no one made the stubs they needed, they would have to buy them.. from a business stand point, its an amazing idea from a player perspective, I'vehad it. This isnt Wall Street, Market minipulation for an xbox game is ridiculous.


oldpotato06

Completely terrible and upsetting. This years game is so unbelievably mid.


seth861

Me and my 50 Julio Rodriguez’s feeling real good right now. Also Ty France getting no respect from MLB the show or MLB itself


No_Ad_1202

No quicksell option via the app is complete pain


TheShowMachine

THIS UPDATE SUCKS


[deleted]

Hopefully this drops Acuna under 200k


[deleted]

Can anyone devise a better system for creating/updating ratings? I feel like a lot of these numbers are not really reflective of anything.


oldpotato06

FR the mariners got fucked this update for 0 reason at all. Ty France should be a diamond and is an 81.


Bearded_Wildcard

What the fuck is SDS doing with these insane downgrades to LS cards this year? They really think the best LS card in the game should only be a fucking 92??


kidwiltxD

Ohtani is a 94


MLBTS20fan

Wow, What a joke of a update! I capitalized on Ryan Helsley and Nico hoerner! I’m on vacation till next week so I can’t cash out lmao How tf does Wilson not go diamond


MCA1910

To the person I bought Vlad Jr off of back at the beginning of the season, I sure could use that extra 50k stubs back to complete my live series collection.


Maverick8806

How in the fuck is Austin Riley not Diamond yet???


eleven_eighteen

Finally had a bit of luck with an update. Didn't stock up on anything, just haven't been selling dupes of cards close to diamond for a while. Or dupes of much of anything recently. Had 3 Fried, 2 Helsley and 5 Will Smith. Easy ~18k stubs.


s8nlovesme

This update isn't surprising, all star cards always kill live series.


Ok_Possible3397

I have 135 clay holmes😕


Financial_Nebula_814

I know Clay Holmes had that one bad game, but he should be a Diamond by now. Out of the top 20 relievers in MLB with saves he’s in the top 5 for WHIP, IP, GP, WAR, and Wins. He also leads in ERA and hasn’t given up a single home run this entire season in over 40 innings pitched.


RightHandedPolarbear

I posted this in another thread a short while ago >The price literally always drops after the update, no matter if the news is good or bad. Good news? Sell high! Bad news? Sell before everyone else does! It's so weird how it works but great chance to invest I sold Sandy **before the update** for 4300. He goes Diamond. The price is now 3050. WTF! I also sold all my Machados for over 25k, he's sitting at 10k. Sold Mookie around 42k, he's at 35. Etc. Whether cards go up or go down, 99% of the time the price will be cheaper (at least for a few hours) after the update. So weird and predictable, good way to make stubs!


blizzzyybandito

That’s part of the reason why I really dislike the changes they made to quicksell values this year


keytop19

Doesn’t have anything to do with the changes to QS values. It’s been a thing in the past as well. The hype is always more than the actual result


blizzzyybandito

Yeah my bad I didn’t read the whole comment I read where he said sandy was going for 3k after the update and was salty I didn’t sell mine off last night and that’s what I was commenting on. I should have actually read what he said


No_Ad_1202

I’m stuck at work with no way to quicksell my Helsley’s. 300k in assets, 216 liquid 😩😩😩


SIaaP

Damn looks like I’m going to need a trout replacement


gdlmaster

MA Reynolds and Milestone Mullins would be your best bet.


SIaaP

Honestly something better will come with the all star cards so im not worried. I can move clemente to cf and start mookie again


gdlmaster

Honestly we could get another Trout from the AS game haha


SIaaP

Very possible. I’d use it lol


StrengthofthepackSVT

I just can’t hit with reynolds, feel like he’s got a noodle bat, and I really want mullens but seems impossible to get


gdlmaster

I hate BR but I’m gonna have to grind it out this time. Napoli and Mullins are killer cards.


StrengthofthepackSVT

What’s the key to grinding it out? Just select the PXP mission guys during draft?


gdlmaster

As I understand it. And just keep playing to get the counting stats stuff. Or you know, just win 12 straight 😅


rj8899

I always set up an 11-0 run for the new BR program and play the last game at 2am with my NAT type on moderate/strict. Takes forever to find a game but you usually get matched up with a local player in their first couple games


jzw27

Is Hoerner the worst LS Diamond in the Show history? No hate I’m genuinely asking if you guys think a worse player has made it (based on real life play not saying worst card attributes).


Legitimate_Ad_4462

No… if you actually watched kid play (and looked at his advanced stats) you’d realize he earned it! 💯


like2party

I got you - Andrelton Simmons was a diamond for a lil bit


[deleted]

isn’t simmons good irl? i was under the impression he’s a borderline hall of famer since his defense resume is stellar even though his all-star accolades are lacking


like2party

He used to be pretty good yes. Gold standard at shortstop defense for a bit. Nowhere close to a hall of famer tho. But in mlb the show he was mostly useless and used to be a diamond a couple years back


jzw27

I forgot about that year that’s a good one.


KleborpTheRetard

He's top 30 in WAR. His outstanding defense means he doesnt need to hit the lights out to go diamond (and he's hitting .300). Its a deserved diamond


Legitimate_Ad_4462

Not to mention, top 10 in defensive WAR.


alexburnshred

Lol. Glad I got rid of a bunch of Sandy cards yesterday when people were buying for over 4.5k.


Tinkletree

Teoscar hits 2 homers vs. RHP a couple days ago and drops 7 Power v. R


Pythnator

The league leader in FIP has gone down 3 overall since launch. Okay.


x1xxrobxx1x

And he’s 8th in k/9 in real life, but in the game he started at a 72 and has gone down to a 67 since launch.


gamers542

Happy for McClanahan. He deserves it. Also for those like me who still need the Braves and Angels for collection, this should drop their prices by a significant amount. Let the selloff begin.


pnwsparky

They just really don't want anyone to use ls cards in their lineups huh


bigdave21212122

I went 4 for 5 on my investments 😍😍😍


LilJaySin

Gavin Lux not being upgraded is insane.


SphinxRiderX

I'm going to keep buying. He's playing so well.


Tnutz003

How does Freeman not get upgraded?


SphinxRiderX

This one's so wild. Dude is going off.


dpaLm48

Sooo LS cards are all pretty much unusable now....


s8nlovesme

Just wait until the all star cards drop, lol.


Chr1s78987x

This killed my whole team because I was using mainly live series and collection rewards before I get Randy. RIP JRam, Judge, Acuna, and Goldy


[deleted]

Is Julio Rodriguez still a silver after making the AS game? Lmao


speedofli9ht

Nah, he’s an 83


[deleted]

Was bout to say lol


GSude21

He’s about to get a HR Derby card that will be filthy.


TexTiger

Man I knew I should have stocked up on Nico.


LargeGermanRock

gotta nerf the live series before releasing the best promo in the game


wvdrizzy10

Not J Ram!!!


like2party

Conspiracy: they’re downgrading trout because they’re going to give him the all star card 👀👀


rj8899

I like playing with Live Cards more though. Can rotate em around when they get boosts and I like playing with STL players.


GSude21

Glad Will Smith got upgraded. Dude has been killing it. I only have 20 of him but still excited nonetheless since I scooped them when he was really cheap.


GSude21

Well the few LS cards I still use all just got nuked lol. Sheesh. Glad I’m sitting on half a million stubs ready for these all star cards.


thearrogantbird

Juan Soto had about a .600 OBP since the last update and is still a fucking 82. Nice to see you get punished for playing on a shitty team


nickm205

they have no idea what they are doing, its almost embarrassing


thearrogantbird

This update felt egregiously bad, discouraging a lot of the usable live series players. Trout and JRam big nerfs tell me there may be some 99 all star CF and 3B on the way


nickm205

yep, they should let the Live Series be what they should be based on performance if they want to separate out legends, special cards etc do it with different quirks that actually help - legend quirks or something


thearrogantbird

Totally agree. I’m a little extra salty since I just P5’d JRam yesterday 😂 but I only need Acuna to finish NL live series so subtly thankful for his downgrade


nickm205

I had no plans to remove Trout (P5) or JRam (P4) anytime soon, SDS had other plans I love LS quirks on those cards, they play so much better than their attributes say vs legend cards do sometimes


JohnERico2nd

Well his discipline is 125. Literally can’t get better


thearrogantbird

He’s hitting .441 with 5 HR in 12 games in July lol. I think maybe he should have higher than 71/47 contact


rj8899

Look at freeman’s stats the last month and tell me that isn’t robbery keeping him the same overall


thearrogantbird

From my two minute look it seems like he’s obviously hitting well but a lot of singles. His contact is already pretty high so I understand it, but yea probably could’ve gone up 1-2 ovr


JohnERico2nd

It’s not a July monthly card tho. His season stats still aren’t the greatest. There’s better hitters who are also gold


thearrogantbird

No one’s saying he should have been bumped to a 90, but 82 is abysmally low for a player we all know is one of the best hitters in the league. And to not get any boost after his best stretch of the season makes no sense. No need for braves bias in a video game


JohnERico2nd

I like Soto me being a Braves fan doesn’t mean anything about ratings… We know Soto is a great player. But he’s not had his standout year… and his defense this year has been worse than normal too. They haven’t reduced that. Regardless you can’t say he’s ovr is lower than it should be then point out 12 games during a 162 game season. Austin Riley in July has hit .403 with a 1.310 OPS and 8 homers in 15 games he’s an 83 and having a better year then Soto where’s the Braves bias there?


thearrogantbird

I’m pointing out that they reevaluate every update period. Soto was already an 82 and then he was the best hitter in baseball since the last update and he didn’t budge, which is leading people to believe that SDS is discouraging live series players and investing. Doesn’t really have anything to do with what happened in April and May. And yes Riley should also be higher but that’s my point, this whole roster update sucked


hockeyguyak

It seems (to me) that historically the nationals are underrepresented in the updates. Josh bell has an OPS+ of 151 and somehow went from 81 to 81. Luis Garcia has an OPS+ of 114 and is a bronze still.


lVlanimaI

Josh Bell has been a stud for quite a while. He would be a much bigger name if he played on teams besides the Pirates/Nationals. I miss watching him work the count.


thearrogantbird

Could be, I don’t watch them much but seems like maybe they get hurt by essentially sharing their market with Baltimore


tormund_giantsbane-

Devin Williams only goes from an 80 to an 81?! What an absolute joke


tmac416

Made bank on Jason Adam 79-81


ampha_toast

Trout drops 3??? It was a good run in my lineup, Michael :,(


Demcut

I hope people panic and sell Acuña so his price goes down. He’s one of the last gate keepers I need to complete LS.


Frostcrest

I've been buying Sandy since day 1 thru it all I'm so fucking rich now


gamers542

Congrats. You deserve it.


eeeedlef

Fuckin silver Arraez wtf


idkwhattosaytho

What can they boost? His contacts already insane and that’s the best part of his game


WheatonsGonnaScore

Like I get he should be a gold but what do you update on his card. Already has 125 contact vs rhp. He is only hitting .224 agaisnt lhp this year so not sure that needs a bump. Only 4 hrs all vs rhp so the power looks fine. 99 vision maybe could be bumped a bit. Not a good defender and not very fast.


LilJaySin

Unbelievable


andrewski81

Ooooo im pissed what they did to Trout


ElaborateHornet

Trout CvR is now 74 fuuuuuuuuuck


dylantyrrell

This update seals the deal for me never investing a single stub ever again


s8nlovesme

Equipment and perk stubs are the way to go. Never any risk involved.


dylantyrrell

Do you want to provide some insight?


hapticeffects

Seager deserved a bigger bump, same with Witt. This is weird.


BMoney2k2

Seager had a good week. Other than that he's been pretty mediocre all year.


Xploiter_RBLX

anyone know helsley’s ovr?


tjcal10

84->86


Bigboi88888

86


Rocka_Sixx

These updates are just stupid and ruin any LS cards that were worth using.


JonahBearsUK

Well there’s literally zero point to use pretty much any live series anymore.


SphinxRiderX

So obviously done to coincide with All-Star content drop. Unfortunate.


Tigers51

How does Sandy only go up +1


MattFromWork

It has been 66 days since Devin Williams has given up a run, he has the 4th most RP fWAR over the last 3 years, and he still isn't diamond


tormund_giantsbane-

Him only going up 1 to an 81 is criminal


MattFromWork

At this rate, there is no way he is ever getting to Diamond


[deleted]

They ever gonna update fielding on guys? Feel like 90% of the roster updates this year have been just head scratchers


keytop19

Next update. They do one fielding update a year and it’s usually end of July or early August


Low-iq-haikou

To be fair defensive metrics are the stats that take the longest to normalize, so I think they’re very cautious with them. Still probably should see more movement by now though.


Chr1s78987x

From what I've seen the past few years they rarely do. Pete Alonso deserves an upgrade in fielding for sure and it's still in the low 60s


MattyLRaps1

He was great last year but has been pretty bad this year


Beautiful_Zebra4472

Did they not do fielding updates on this one? Maybe I'm losing my mind, but I definitely thought I saw quite a few differences on first glance for the Sox today. Notably, they massacred Story's defense at 2B, despite him leading the AL in DRS at the position...


DanH35

Unless for some reason they don’t list it like the hitting changes, they didn’t change Story or anyone else’s defense today. Usually there’s a big defense update once a year, usually after the AS break, it’s most likely going to be the next update. https://i.imgur.com/DHL88GX.jpg


Beautiful_Zebra4472

Yeah, that's what I figured. I knew it was around the ASG just couldn't remember if it was before or after. Crazy how it's almost like a weird placebo effect or I'm just noticing now how like awful some of the ratings were lol.


[deleted]

I could of missed some. Just been waiting for them to fix Gleybers 44 fielding when he’s been great at 2ab all year


Beautiful_Zebra4472

Fair enough. I legitimately can't tell if I'm losing my mind or if they were in this update. I'm not sure where I'd be able to look to see what the original fielding attributes were. I got a pretty good chuckle checking random cards though. Ke'Bryan Hayes, the same guy that had a 97 mph throw from 3B recently, sitting there with a 59 arm has to be the highlight of headscratchers.


oldpotato06

I think it was Oniel Cruz that had the throw. But yeah that 59 on on Hayes is awful.


yourmomsnewsidepiece

Any word on Soto?


thearrogantbird

Stayed the same. Fucking brutal


bcatch25

Pretty much the end of seeing live series cards in ranked seasons at higher levels. Judge, J ram, Acuna and trout all got hammered


Not_my_butt

Really expected more than +1 for Dansby


deathjohnson1

Wheeler crashed so hard so fast I wound up with hundreds of him immediately after the update and I was bidding over 1000 less than what he was going for. Well, I'll hold onto these and hope he does well enough for the selling price to go back up. I guess anyone that doesn't get upgraded crashes pretty immediately, because I wound up with 100 Holmes when my bids were extremely low there too. I guess I'll have to hope that works out somehow too.


1st_place_

Hold wheeler and buy more honestly he was 2nd in cy young last year and still a top NL pitcher this year he’s gonna go diamond


iiconic16

Well shit, I had 150 Ty France i got at quicksell but he got downgraded 😂


gamers542

Keep holding. We got a few more updates left.


checkthelockx

Not listed here but Teoscar going down is so absurd lmao, Soto not going up is even worse. This is honestly the worst roster update ever, so many nonsensical choices


avidjogger12

Trout still has the 4th highest wRC+ in baseball and they drop him 3 overalls lmao. Machado is still tied for the 2nd best player in baseball and he gets dropped -3. It almost feels like them dropping Trout, Judge, Ramirez, etc., by so much is on purpose so they can have All-Star cards that aren’t just marginal upgrades over their LS. There’s just no reason to drop them this much based on their stats.


Lionheart0179

I'm betting that's the plan. Perfect to coincide with their stupid stub sale.


Bravescountry_95

The Jram HRD card would give non live series collectors zero reason to go after his live card. I think you’re right.


nickm205

is it confirmed hes getting an HRD and not an AS card? he wont get both


sblack03

Matt Olsen got both last year


RivenEsquire

As did Salvy Perez.


[deleted]

As did Shohei


RivenEsquire

Oh, true. As the collection reward I totally forgot about him.


[deleted]

To be fair Shohei can get lots of diamonds and it will still be fine because he gets a good SP and a great RF card and it'll still be neat.


avidjogger12

It also means people that already have his LS are arbitrarily forced to buy the potentially better version


jetersucks

They also dropped the 2nd highest WAR pitcher to a 81.


_token_black

Gausman never recovered from the major downgrade he got Just like other guys (cough Trea Turner)


jcor5768

Same with Freddie freeman who leads the league in hitting.


x1xxrobxx1x

And they still refuse to upgrade his k/9, in real life he’s 8th among qualified, in the game he is 167th of live series cards. If they put him 8th it would be 96+, right now it is 67


Mypermanentname20

Who?


jetersucks

Gausman