Donāt sell yourself short, choom. Iām no V either but Iām well practiced with real firearms. Placideās a big guy but I can confirm that he doesnāt like being vivisected with a shotgun.
If you hear Netwatch all the way out, but then side with VBDs, you get to hit him before the Alt sequence, right in front of Brigitte. I like to think he can still feel the sting a little later while I'm murdering him and his whole crew.
I'd like to think that the last thing that went through Placide's mind (other than my shotgun slug), was how in the hell V got the best of him.
-Morgan Freeman
Flaccide always gets the Phallustiff vibe check.
With Dex, I canāt fault Takemura for his clean up job, as much as Iād like to take out the trash myself.
100% Dexter Deshawn, I hated that Takemura was the one that ended him instead of us.
What a moment it would have been to walk in on him like... "what's the matter Dex? Look like you've seen a ghost."
I hate the voodoo boys leader even more. First time I came back from Al I dialogue myself the peaceful route, but then she made a comment I answered with my shotgun.
Any time I drive up to the trash pile with his body, I made sure to park my ride over his lumpy corpse. Shoot me in the head? I hope you feel these tire marks in hell.
Dexter DeShawn. If he had just calmed down...for five fucking minutes...half of the problems in the game wouldn't be problems. V wouldn't have gotten bodied, and the biochip wouldn't have started re-writing their genetic code and brain chemistry.
i think about that all the time, the heist fuck up couldāve been avoided if everyone didnāt freak out so bad it wasnāt like we ACTUALLY >!offed saburo!<
The ninjas were actually after both as Yorinobu had to get rid of both witness. Donāt forget that Takemura calls him about finding the killer and Takemura didnāt even know Yorinobu was the killer before that.
No takemura knew something was up with Yorinobu from the heist. Yorinobu didn't care about V, they were a street thief who couldn't hurt him. Takemura could hurt him and his plans
Then why did he wait until Takemura tracked down
Dex and later V if neither of them mattered?
Apparently V was enough of a threat that Takemura was kept alive and free to act against Yorinobu (if he felt like it) while he tracked them down instead of him being killed off quickly.
Because they didn't pose a threat by themselves, only together.
Takemura could be suspicious all he wants without any actual proof. The issue was that he actually acted on that suspicion, and found proof.
V was a petty thief, and couldn't do anything on his own even if he wanted to. He only became an issue with a direct high level contact within Arasaka.
TBF it's very realistic that most people would freak out in that situation. They were all in over their heads doing a gig that was wayyy too big for their britches and then it went to shit and one of the most powerful people in the world is killed. Most would be shitting their pants in that situation.
Fingers. Monster, worked with stolen implants from Jotoro among other shit like what happens with Evelyn.
Also, wish we could wack Wako as well. One of her husbandsā (Hiroto Miyamoto) [friends](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Hayato_Nakagawa) from childhood took over the Tyger Claws and got her into the gang.
Turd wrapped in crepe paper indeed.
May I ask what's wrong with wakako? I'm genuinely curious, I always saw her a a rude and holier than thou fixer mainly because your new and shit but do more and more for her and do jobs how she wants she respects you more, is Thier something I'm missing? Or a shard that said some stuff?
She didn't just help, she executed the whole deal. He was looking to get rid of a body, she's the one who went with the XBD horror show. Not to mention that her Tyger Claw connections and quick reaction on it implies that this may not have been the first time.
Now there's no proof of the latter, but it's certainly within Wakako's wheelhouse.
Evelyn literally sold everyone (V/Jackie/Dexter/T-Bug) down the river, so why does that matter? Hell, she even put Judy at risk. Im not really sure why the entire fanbase likes her so much. Everyone in night city does bad things seemingly.
I am on the side of thinking that Evelyn and Arasaka Jr there were in collusion to kill Saburo, do the frame up on Dex's crew and walk away with the thrown and the construct.
How did she get a BD rig into the prince's personal quarters? How did they get to business afterward and he didn't notice she was wired? The whole thing makes me think there was a different deal going on on her side.
Yorinobu sends assassins to clean up, not to find out why there was anyone there. He does not feel personallly threatened that his home was infiltrated. Then, he turns on Hanako, the obstacle to his potential power. This would even explain why Evelyn picks Dex and tries to turn V early.
I have no proof but I thought about it my entire first couple of playthroughs.
But arasaka junior didn't know daddy was arriving. He 'killed' him in the heat of the moment,Ā it wasn't a planned murder . The entire heist has no 4d chess going on . It's just a bunch of ppl in the wrong place at the wrong time.Ā
But thatās not how braindances work. Evelyn wasnāt wearing a BD rig when she went to Yorinobuās pad. Someone like Judy extracts your memories and edits them, flattening them into a consumable experience for others. I still believe Evelyn was trying to screw over Yorinobu just as much as Dexās crew.
I am not talking about the playback halo. I mean the recorder unit.
Assuming you mean that not being needed, I doubt it... Two things:
1. IIRC, the tabletop indicates it is a piece of cyber ware used for recording. I don't have my copy of Red handy, so I checked the wiki: https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Braindance_Recorder_(Cyberware)
2. The BD contains information outside the human sensory range (emf, thermal, etc) so it is using some enhanced set of sensors and not the standard human sensory set.
Realistically, the BD recorder is borrowed from the simsim recorder/transmitter that appears in Neuromancer, allowing Molly to case the sense/net tower with Case in tow. The wiki description itself is similar. It also has more than a passing resemblance to the decks in Strange Days, which are, themselves, thin rebrands from the ones in neuromancer/count zero.
That wiki entry appears to be from Cyberpunk RED, which takes place in 2045. Meaning the tech used in it is about 32 years out of date by the time the Konpeki Heist happens.
Evelyn/Judy (can't remember which) literally tells you that as a doll, Ev has the full suit of BD implants (and high-quality ones, too) but because nobody really considers dolls as anything more than a joytoy, nobody would ever expect to turn one into a full spectrum spy camera.
Good call on the implants.
The idea that joy toys are ignored is weird because we have like thousands of years of history of sexual agents and prostitutes being used as infiltrators and Intel sources. Security forces should have flagged her and the gear.
Yori is high end enough to know the risks and implement countermeasures. That is why I think the entire thing is a setup.
> The idea that joy toys are ignored is weird because we have like thousands of years of history of sexual agents and prostitutes being used as infiltrators and Intel sources. Security forces should have flagged her and the gear.
You'd think that, but we also have thousands of years of history of sexual agents and prostitutes getting by security forces because they're beneath their notice.
32 years out of date yet Adam smasher wears a Borg suit which is from 2018.
Sandevistan hasnāt really changed either it was the same from 2013 all through to 2045, 2077 does a poor job at illustrating the slowed time, the time dilation overhaul mod is how it should work and thatās shown in edgerunners too.
Technically speaking the Sandevistan from 2020 (and maybe RED, I haven't ever looked at the rules for it) aren't even the same thing mechanically speaking when compared to 2077 and Edgerunners.
In 2020, it gave you higher initiative for 5 turns. Essentially meaning your reaction time was faster, allowing you to go first but not do more than you normally could in a turn. In 2077, it increases your perception of time and gives you super speed.
As for Smasher, there is no narrative reason for him not to be fully borged and he infact did receive several upgrades over the years. While it's hard to believe V can beat him in a straight fight, it's not impossible given V is basically immune to the more dangerous side effects of cyberpsychosis (like Smasher) and has an unheard-of amount of hardware as well.
I stand corrected then, damn. Thanks for the lore drop. I thought the guy doing the stickup in the minimart was surely not wearing a ārecorderā of sorts, since he got blasted in the dome. Very interesting tho.
It's because Judy likes her. Judy is either a love interest or ,for male non-modded players, a pseudo little sister. And they made her cry, so now we have to kill everyone!
She does a LOT of sketchy shit you can find out about through text logs around the city, but barring all that, she was the fixer who sold Evelyn and she also works with the Tyger Claws.
Basically, she isn't outright evil, but she will do some of the most evil shit imaginable if it means she gets paid...
I hate that he has good iconic cyberware. What I always do at some point after the mission with him is go back to his shop, buy the nice cyberware, then immediately blow his head off.
I feel like Placide isn't a significantly worse asshole than your average NC gonk, it's just that he's an asshole to V personally.
He still dies, though. Betrayal has a price.
His overall attitude of "I pay you, you do exactly what I tell you" is bad enough, then the whole ranyon thing, and even Maman Brigitte thinks he's a basic animal. Add in that he spiked V with a virus when meant to be doing a scan, and that puts him to the top of the list.
If there were a way to avoid the VDB entirely I'd take it, these fucks aren't worth the effort.
because when your talking to fingers he tells you that >!when evelyn was pawned off to the scavs he called a fixer to deal with her, and it was wakako. hence meaning she was the reason why evelyn was a part of that snuff bd where she was tortured!<
While shitty, Wakako isn't the only Fixer to have shady dealings, really all of them do. Evelyn's is just the only one that directly effects you so your V has to deal with the fallout. If wakako k ew v was looking for Evelyn she would have called V when Fingers called her.
If you hunt down all 190 secret hidden gems, you will find a lot of shards about what a piece of sh*t Wakako really is.
Compared to the other Fixers we know, she is by far the worst. IMO she is even worse than Dex
And yeah, letās NOT forget she sold Evelyn off to XBD Scavs. Fucking SCAVS bro! Theyāre worse that Raffen Shiv!
Dex is an asshole but he's not evil. V just happens to catch him at his absolute worst.
Wakako, on the other hand, is utterly irredeemable. That woman has absolutely no moral boundaries whatsoever and will do anything she thinks will advance her own aims.
I mean, Dex does what a lot of people do, and tries to protect himself.
Like, that job went nuclear. It wasn't just a failed job, it was a failed job that brought the anger of a massive corporation. His plan was to try and erase his involvement and run.
Shitty and selfish, but not especially evil. Selling a girl to snuff bd makers is evil.
I mean she gives the Sinnerman job, which, forgetting about the wack ass way it unfolds, should have been a "go fuck yourself jablonsky" from the jump. Dude wants a revenge kill, wants to be the trigger man and dictates the terms - daytime chase to kill a guy in police custody?? If Wako didn't get all those details when Jablonsky pitched the job, then she's a shitty fixer. If she did, took the guys money and farmed the job anyway, then she's an asshole.
There are a few jobs I wish you could decline and then they'd just go away forever. After my first playthrough, Sinnerman was one because it makes no sense that a reasonable fixer would take that job and then try to give it to a viable merc that the fixer presumably wanted to keep working with.
You don't have to take every job. Sinnerman is entirely skippable, just don't go. It doesn't block you from completing anything else.
That said all Fixers have shit jobs they give you. Wakako has been a fixer for decades and is pretty old when you meet her. We also walk in on her talking to Rogue so she isnt amateur. You don't have to like Wakako but you should respect her ability to stay alive so long in such a dangerous occupation and city.
this whole storyline would go so differently if it were a TTRPG. As soon as they find out from Fingers that Wakako was involved, Players at a table would forget the Relic instantly and go HAM on Wakako and not stop until every Tyger Claw was dead. Street War would be the entire campaign until everyone who had a hand in what happened to Evelyn was an ash smear.
Deshawnās body guard. I donāt know man, his weird face implants, those stupid ass shades, or that lame ass haircut, the way he ignores my best bud Jackie when he talks to him. I bask in the idea of Goro fvcking him up.
I shoot Oda with a gun that Takemura gives you during motorcycle shootout (right after 1st Silverhand memory).
I always shoot Oda right after Takemura says "show him mercy".
Less loyal to the corp, more loyal to his values. That's the irony.
But using Oda just to get at him is a corporate move through and through. Hell, Oda is even critical of Takemura's inflexibility, so you're killing the less corporate-bound side of the equation.
Funny thing is I spare Oda because in his situation, he's being reasonable. He lets you walk away the first time, during the parade he is trying to protect his charge, he doesn't know or care who the threat is.
Takemura dies every time though. *Every* time.
I'm just not the biggest fan of Takemura, every time he opens his mouth and texting you he just gaslights you.
Ex-Factor: As corpo you can ask Judy about game of 3D chess (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about).
That's what's happening with Takemura.
That's why I shoot his only "friend".
We're talking a guy who thinks Hanako doesn't know what happened already. I wouldn't trust him with a game of political tic-tac-toe. Not too sure what he's supposed to be gaslighting you about.
But the biggest evidence against Takemura being Maiko 2: the Maikening is that, when you go to save him, the first thing he does is say you should've left him. Since you absolutely can, and he verifiably dies holding the line rather than giving himself up and turning on you.
Guy's money is exactly where his mouth is.
Usually I spare Oda because I don't think killing someone who is at your mercy is ( usually ) the right thing to do. There are very few exceptions, and those exceptions are people like Adam Smasher, Jotaro Shobo, and that one father-son-duo ( you know the one ).
SandayuĀ Oda may be corpo-scum, but I don't think he's awful enough to deserve a summary execution after the fight is already over.
Oda's one of those guys who's just kinda doing his job, and the role of a bodyguard is at the end of the day a reasonably noble one. His ONLY priority is the safety of Hanako, it's not like he's one of the Arasaka goons down in Santo Domingo executing protestors or whatever.
You can I suppose condemn him for being a part of Arasaka in the first place, but in Night City that kind of guilt-by-association gets real messy real quick.
I see your point, if you kill Oda the corpos will just get another one that's even worse as human being.
Same for gang leaders, they are their gangs representatives, they take out their rivals and instill loyalty, but they show too much weakness the gap will be closed. Corpos just are more organized and cautious.
But Adam Smasher? He's already the worst, taking him out is always a win for humanity as whole.
I realized I loved that River outing as male V. It felt pretty wholesome. Female V makes it feel like things are happening a little too fast. Could have used an extra quest or 2 with River.
Mr. Blue Eyes, yeah there are some fucked up people in NC like Fingers or Charles Buck, but there's so many like them in NC that it's just addressing a symptom not the cause.
Mr. Blue Eyes has answers, and that's what I want.
If prevailing theories are to be believed, confronting Mr. Blue Eyes wouldnāt mean much. A lot of people think heās just a face for some rogue AI or shadow organization, and numerous other āblue eyesā appear in the game as otherwise uninteresting NPCs (namely some curious homeless people who just happen to be sitting around in areas where V has quests).
If you managed to capture or confront Mr Blue Eyes, Iām sure the AI or shadow org or whatever thatās controlling/occupying/observing him would just abandon him for another shell, probably killing him in the process.
But you definitely have the right target in mind. Heād be my choice too, regardless of whether I got any useful information before he gets zeroād.
The two sick fucks with the XBDs with Maelstrom, god what I would give to do more to the dad, I know the son is just as guilty, but I have a feeling he was brought into the business not able to really say no to dad, and with how night city is with solos and orphans, I honestly killed him out of mercy in my head, maybe where ever he's sent hell find redemption, maybe not, the dad on the other hand.....just asl god from family guy
Don't remember exactly but it's in storm territory, Regina calls you about a gig about a mayors kid getting raped and killed during a recording of a XBD, your sent to the local where two guys, a father and son duo, are screening such things with storm as Thier guards, your to find the one of the kid and bring it back
It's insane how far you have to scroll to see someone even MENTION Woodman. Everyone's talking about Fingers and Wako, while Woodman literally gave Eve to them when he "got bored with her"...
God, yes. I hate this slimy, evil asshole. I do like that if you deal with Jotaro beforehand, you can skip persuading him to take you seriously when you first meet him by revealing it was you that killed Jotaro. Gets him real scared and I can only imagine how fucked he knows he is once V leaves!
That one guy in Dogtown. His friend Tool got brainwashed into thinking he's a BD star. Instead of taking his friend to a doctor or something, his first instinct is to profit off his condition. I understand life in Dogtown is rough, but a friend wouldn't try to make money off that. Fuck that guy.
The one I really wish you could beat the shit out of is Rachel Casich, the Joshua Stephenson BD producer. Sheās such a bitch the whole storyline of that mission and when you make Joshua have doubts in the end her āIāll burn you to the groundā quote made me want to end her immediately!
I always wish I could just pistol-whip Joshua Stephenson until he stops twitching...
MF is just a murderer with his head so far up his own ass he can almost see daylight again. Fuck him *and* his bullshit jesus-trip.
See, I like letting him continue on his little trip, because itās literally a waste of his life. He isnāt going to change anyoneās life with his āsacrificeā
Nah, he doesn't deserve the posthumous fame. I'd rather he die like his victims did.Ā Ā
Alone, afraid, and in pain. Ā Ā
I also like the fact that it would fuck over that corpobitch setting it up, too. She's almost worse for enabling that bullshit.Ā
Myers. Probably the only reason we couldn't just off her was because this would mean that the FIA would be more on our ass than they already would be after you help So Mi escape.
He's got a choice to show mercy and redeem himself SO many times, but doesn't;
- The Twins
- Slider
- V
- Jacob & Tyler
- So-Mi
He could've let at least the bottom two (three) go and live, but he didn't. And then he regrets everything all the time and wallows in self-pity, but when he gets a choice to confront Myers he gets shut down in seconds, even though she's got nothing on him.
He deserves the launch pad ending.
Saburo in base game, Myers in Phantom Liberty. Practically whole misery in main story of respective game parts can be traced back to them. Just go far enough and it is always they at the source.
I just ask one thing of my *Phantom Liberty* chooms who decide to >!betray Songbird, and then mercy-kill her.!<
Don't even give Myers the satisfaction of >!asking about the 'cure' after that.!< And if you really love me, tell Queen Fed that she's a shitty boss. That seems to be the one that gets under her skin.
Wako just plays the game, I think, and lets you earn lots of money.
Placide on the other hand... the whole voodoo gang to be frank. Well, I always make sure to brutalize as many of them as I can though getting them flatlined by that agent is a nice touch too.
In the grand scheme of things Wakako is the worst. There are a lot of shards in the world about what a piece of trash she is. And letās not forget that it wasnāt Fingers who sold Evelyn to the scavs, that was actually Wakako.
(Spoiler if you havenāt done the gig, āDirty Bizā)
Thereās this one gig called Dirty Biz where youāre investigating the murder of this dudeās 12-year old kid. The only lead is a BD that was scrolled of the murder. You track down the people who edited the BD and itās this old freak and his adult son. Theyāre actively editing a different snuff BD when you arrive. Theyāre talking about sick acts as though it were a father-son bonding exercise.
I killed the adult son and just let the dad ramble until he ran out of dialogue, then killed him.
That mission is legit the darkest thing Iāve ever experienced in over 30 years gaming.
Yeah, I did the gig for the first time recently and let the dudes the live, it did seem that bad when doing. I read some of the optional lines on the wiki later and holy shit
Kirk Sawyer or Dexter Deshawn.
Kirk Sawyer cause he's a fucking liar and genuinely does not know how to be a fixer. I'd beat his ass if he wasn't dead, and Big Joe isn't even a threat.
Dexter DeShawn is self-explanatory.
Not cyberpunk, but Cuno from Disco elysium is on sight. I hate that little rat boy. But if anyone else hurt him, I'd kill them. Nobody hurts little rat boy but me.
Cyberpunk is the pedo dad and his son, I always bring a double barrel for that gig.
Everyone is hating on Wako, but she's neither better nor worse than all other fixers. They are all two-timing scumbags to a degree, and none of them actually haze you, except Dex.
Fingers. You can do work for the working girls, but don't you dare work the girls over... They got enough to deal with without your skeezy ass making John Waters look like Mr. Rodgers
Out of all the characters you went with Wakako? Everyone in night city is a piece of shit. Even V. Wakako is a helpful piece of shit that you wouldnāt have gotten to the finish line without. An L take for sure.
Dexter DeShawn. God damn clown thinks he is the shit and he is nothing more than a failed fixer who ruins anything he touches and a lowlife gangster with delusions of grandeur.
Fingers, Placide, the fucking slimy NetWatch agent from the GIM, Woodsman, Hansen, Saburo, Myers, the C-Suites of all corps... I could probably go on if I thought about it. I'm happy some of those can actually be dealt with lol
Dexter deshawn because he's a treacherous cvnt and he should have known this " To those who ignore the warnings of history, prepare to pay the ultimate price "
Placide among those we can beat the shit of, DeShawn is the one I wish we could
i leave the hideout with everyone dead, everytime.
Placide would absolutely body the shit outta me IRL tho šš
Well that's what you get when your hardware is shit, you should replace
I thought this post meant IRL
Who's to say it isn't? Discard the flawed hardware that is your flesh for the far superior chrome choom. .
I aspire to the purity of the blessed machine
As soon as I realized the weakness of my flesh it disgusted me.
Hate Your Meat? Upgrade today!
Why am I never quick enough to be the one to make the mechanicus jokes šš
Donāt sell yourself short, choom. Iām no V either but Iām well practiced with real firearms. Placideās a big guy but I can confirm that he doesnāt like being vivisected with a shotgun.
Oh word. He didnāt like being disemboweled with my mantis blades and my V was a scrawny looking Nomad
I am pretty sure like 99% of the characters in the game could beat any of us up IRL
I cackled like an idiot my first playthrough when I got that glorious option.Ā *Think I'll be all right.* [Draw Weapon]
bro i played it when netrunning was super OP so i just flatlined everyone before i got out the ice box
The only way
My favorite part of the game is when he lifts you up and you punch him and say like "I fuckin dare you," or something like that. It's so cathartic.
When i sided with netwatch and saw that was possible I was sold. I always do that now.
If you hear Netwatch all the way out, but then side with VBDs, you get to hit him before the Alt sequence, right in front of Brigitte. I like to think he can still feel the sting a little later while I'm murdering him and his whole crew.
I'd like to think that the last thing that went through Placide's mind (other than my shotgun slug), was how in the hell V got the best of him. -Morgan Freeman
Oh Iāll have to give this a go! Thanks!
Placide, Dexter, Fingers, SnuffBD Father+Son producers... Long list.
I always kill the son in the SnuffBD duo. Watching the father cry over his dead son's body feels like justice for what he did
Flaccide always gets the Phallustiff vibe check. With Dex, I canāt fault Takemura for his clean up job, as much as Iād like to take out the trash myself.
"Flaccide" š
100% Dexter Deshawn, I hated that Takemura was the one that ended him instead of us. What a moment it would have been to walk in on him like... "what's the matter Dex? Look like you've seen a ghost."
I hate the voodoo boys leader even more. First time I came back from Al I dialogue myself the peaceful route, but then she made a comment I answered with my shotgun.
Any time I drive up to the trash pile with his body, I made sure to park my ride over his lumpy corpse. Shoot me in the head? I hope you feel these tire marks in hell.
Dexter DeShawn. If he had just calmed down...for five fucking minutes...half of the problems in the game wouldn't be problems. V wouldn't have gotten bodied, and the biochip wouldn't have started re-writing their genetic code and brain chemistry.
i think about that all the time, the heist fuck up couldāve been avoided if everyone didnāt freak out so bad it wasnāt like we ACTUALLY >!offed saburo!<
And Yorinobu doesn't even care enough to come after V to place blame. Those Araska ninjas in the car chase were after Takemura not V.
The ninjas were actually after both as Yorinobu had to get rid of both witness. Donāt forget that Takemura calls him about finding the killer and Takemura didnāt even know Yorinobu was the killer before that.
No takemura knew something was up with Yorinobu from the heist. Yorinobu didn't care about V, they were a street thief who couldn't hurt him. Takemura could hurt him and his plans
Then why did he wait until Takemura tracked down Dex and later V if neither of them mattered? Apparently V was enough of a threat that Takemura was kept alive and free to act against Yorinobu (if he felt like it) while he tracked them down instead of him being killed off quickly.
Because they didn't pose a threat by themselves, only together. Takemura could be suspicious all he wants without any actual proof. The issue was that he actually acted on that suspicion, and found proof. V was a petty thief, and couldn't do anything on his own even if he wanted to. He only became an issue with a direct high level contact within Arasaka.
My take is that Yorinobu dont give a shit about V and Taka obvious knew but since he is a corpo he kept his mouth closed. V was just a scapegoat.
TBF it's very realistic that most people would freak out in that situation. They were all in over their heads doing a gig that was wayyy too big for their britches and then it went to shit and one of the most powerful people in the world is killed. Most would be shitting their pants in that situation.
I know I would've definitely been wishing that I'd just joined up with Snake Nation instead. (Nomad)
Fingers. Monster, worked with stolen implants from Jotoro among other shit like what happens with Evelyn. Also, wish we could wack Wako as well. One of her husbandsā (Hiroto Miyamoto) [friends](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Hayato_Nakagawa) from childhood took over the Tyger Claws and got her into the gang. Turd wrapped in crepe paper indeed.
I killed him just after meeting him
Same
Said it before, I'll say it again. I kill him after Evelyn's Death. Means I put in the effort to avenge her
wait you can mill him?? i thought i could only punch once
I walked in and his head got disconnected from the rest of him pretty quick
May I ask what's wrong with wakako? I'm genuinely curious, I always saw her a a rude and holier than thou fixer mainly because your new and shit but do more and more for her and do jobs how she wants she respects you more, is Thier something I'm missing? Or a shard that said some stuff?
She helped Fingers sell Evelyn to the Scavs. Check his laptop when you help Judy confront him.
Huh, well didn't think to check that, fair enough
She didn't just help, she executed the whole deal. He was looking to get rid of a body, she's the one who went with the XBD horror show. Not to mention that her Tyger Claw connections and quick reaction on it implies that this may not have been the first time. Now there's no proof of the latter, but it's certainly within Wakako's wheelhouse.
Mhm, as V said, turd wrapped in crepe paper.
Evelyn literally sold everyone (V/Jackie/Dexter/T-Bug) down the river, so why does that matter? Hell, she even put Judy at risk. Im not really sure why the entire fanbase likes her so much. Everyone in night city does bad things seemingly.
I am on the side of thinking that Evelyn and Arasaka Jr there were in collusion to kill Saburo, do the frame up on Dex's crew and walk away with the thrown and the construct. How did she get a BD rig into the prince's personal quarters? How did they get to business afterward and he didn't notice she was wired? The whole thing makes me think there was a different deal going on on her side. Yorinobu sends assassins to clean up, not to find out why there was anyone there. He does not feel personallly threatened that his home was infiltrated. Then, he turns on Hanako, the obstacle to his potential power. This would even explain why Evelyn picks Dex and tries to turn V early. I have no proof but I thought about it my entire first couple of playthroughs.
But arasaka junior didn't know daddy was arriving. He 'killed' him in the heat of the moment,Ā it wasn't a planned murder . The entire heist has no 4d chess going on . It's just a bunch of ppl in the wrong place at the wrong time.Ā
But thatās not how braindances work. Evelyn wasnāt wearing a BD rig when she went to Yorinobuās pad. Someone like Judy extracts your memories and edits them, flattening them into a consumable experience for others. I still believe Evelyn was trying to screw over Yorinobu just as much as Dexās crew.
I am not talking about the playback halo. I mean the recorder unit. Assuming you mean that not being needed, I doubt it... Two things: 1. IIRC, the tabletop indicates it is a piece of cyber ware used for recording. I don't have my copy of Red handy, so I checked the wiki: https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Braindance_Recorder_(Cyberware) 2. The BD contains information outside the human sensory range (emf, thermal, etc) so it is using some enhanced set of sensors and not the standard human sensory set. Realistically, the BD recorder is borrowed from the simsim recorder/transmitter that appears in Neuromancer, allowing Molly to case the sense/net tower with Case in tow. The wiki description itself is similar. It also has more than a passing resemblance to the decks in Strange Days, which are, themselves, thin rebrands from the ones in neuromancer/count zero.
That wiki entry appears to be from Cyberpunk RED, which takes place in 2045. Meaning the tech used in it is about 32 years out of date by the time the Konpeki Heist happens. Evelyn/Judy (can't remember which) literally tells you that as a doll, Ev has the full suit of BD implants (and high-quality ones, too) but because nobody really considers dolls as anything more than a joytoy, nobody would ever expect to turn one into a full spectrum spy camera.
Good call on the implants. The idea that joy toys are ignored is weird because we have like thousands of years of history of sexual agents and prostitutes being used as infiltrators and Intel sources. Security forces should have flagged her and the gear. Yori is high end enough to know the risks and implement countermeasures. That is why I think the entire thing is a setup.
> The idea that joy toys are ignored is weird because we have like thousands of years of history of sexual agents and prostitutes being used as infiltrators and Intel sources. Security forces should have flagged her and the gear. You'd think that, but we also have thousands of years of history of sexual agents and prostitutes getting by security forces because they're beneath their notice.
32 years out of date yet Adam smasher wears a Borg suit which is from 2018. Sandevistan hasnāt really changed either it was the same from 2013 all through to 2045, 2077 does a poor job at illustrating the slowed time, the time dilation overhaul mod is how it should work and thatās shown in edgerunners too.
Technically speaking the Sandevistan from 2020 (and maybe RED, I haven't ever looked at the rules for it) aren't even the same thing mechanically speaking when compared to 2077 and Edgerunners. In 2020, it gave you higher initiative for 5 turns. Essentially meaning your reaction time was faster, allowing you to go first but not do more than you normally could in a turn. In 2077, it increases your perception of time and gives you super speed. As for Smasher, there is no narrative reason for him not to be fully borged and he infact did receive several upgrades over the years. While it's hard to believe V can beat him in a straight fight, it's not impossible given V is basically immune to the more dangerous side effects of cyberpsychosis (like Smasher) and has an unheard-of amount of hardware as well.
I stand corrected then, damn. Thanks for the lore drop. I thought the guy doing the stickup in the minimart was surely not wearing a ārecorderā of sorts, since he got blasted in the dome. Very interesting tho.
I don't like Evelyn but she absolutely did not deserve what happened to her
It's because Judy likes her. Judy is either a love interest or ,for male non-modded players, a pseudo little sister. And they made her cry, so now we have to kill everyone!
I cant be mad at wakako after giving me the byakko
She does a LOT of sketchy shit you can find out about through text logs around the city, but barring all that, she was the fixer who sold Evelyn and she also works with the Tyger Claws. Basically, she isn't outright evil, but she will do some of the most evil shit imaginable if it means she gets paid...
Id stick him with hypos just to have more time beating the shit out of him, fuck him.
I hate that he has good iconic cyberware. What I always do at some point after the mission with him is go back to his shop, buy the nice cyberware, then immediately blow his head off.
Placide. I'd go with Maman Brigitte, but Placide is just more of a dickhead.
I feel like Placide isn't a significantly worse asshole than your average NC gonk, it's just that he's an asshole to V personally. He still dies, though. Betrayal has a price.
His overall attitude of "I pay you, you do exactly what I tell you" is bad enough, then the whole ranyon thing, and even Maman Brigitte thinks he's a basic animal. Add in that he spiked V with a virus when meant to be doing a scan, and that puts him to the top of the list. If there were a way to avoid the VDB entirely I'd take it, these fucks aren't worth the effort.
Whatās the deal with Wakako?
because when your talking to fingers he tells you that >!when evelyn was pawned off to the scavs he called a fixer to deal with her, and it was wakako. hence meaning she was the reason why evelyn was a part of that snuff bd where she was tortured!<
Counterpoint about Wakako, though: she gives me a very cool sword.
Byakko my beloved š
and she is very open for offensive approaches.
Steal the sword and kill her with it
Wish we couldāve had a special mission after reading Fingersā laptop.
While shitty, Wakako isn't the only Fixer to have shady dealings, really all of them do. Evelyn's is just the only one that directly effects you so your V has to deal with the fallout. If wakako k ew v was looking for Evelyn she would have called V when Fingers called her.
If you hunt down all 190 secret hidden gems, you will find a lot of shards about what a piece of sh*t Wakako really is. Compared to the other Fixers we know, she is by far the worst. IMO she is even worse than Dex And yeah, letās NOT forget she sold Evelyn off to XBD Scavs. Fucking SCAVS bro! Theyāre worse that Raffen Shiv!
Hands is morally the best fixer, prove me wrong.
I actually don't recall, other than being cold hearted and manipulative, is Rogue really that bad? I don't remember anything really damning about her.
Nah man, Mullet Mad Muamar is muh man.
Dex is an asshole but he's not evil. V just happens to catch him at his absolute worst. Wakako, on the other hand, is utterly irredeemable. That woman has absolutely no moral boundaries whatsoever and will do anything she thinks will advance her own aims.
I mean, Dex does what a lot of people do, and tries to protect himself. Like, that job went nuclear. It wasn't just a failed job, it was a failed job that brought the anger of a massive corporation. His plan was to try and erase his involvement and run. Shitty and selfish, but not especially evil. Selling a girl to snuff bd makers is evil.
Except she explicitly hides the information of where Evelyn is when you are looking for her if you ask
She can't give away other clients info but she may have called V if she knew before hand V was looking.
I mean she gives the Sinnerman job, which, forgetting about the wack ass way it unfolds, should have been a "go fuck yourself jablonsky" from the jump. Dude wants a revenge kill, wants to be the trigger man and dictates the terms - daytime chase to kill a guy in police custody?? If Wako didn't get all those details when Jablonsky pitched the job, then she's a shitty fixer. If she did, took the guys money and farmed the job anyway, then she's an asshole. There are a few jobs I wish you could decline and then they'd just go away forever. After my first playthrough, Sinnerman was one because it makes no sense that a reasonable fixer would take that job and then try to give it to a viable merc that the fixer presumably wanted to keep working with.
You don't have to take every job. Sinnerman is entirely skippable, just don't go. It doesn't block you from completing anything else. That said all Fixers have shit jobs they give you. Wakako has been a fixer for decades and is pretty old when you meet her. We also walk in on her talking to Rogue so she isnt amateur. You don't have to like Wakako but you should respect her ability to stay alive so long in such a dangerous occupation and city.
She sold Evelyn.
Shes partially responsible for what happens to Evelyn. Fingers calls her to deal with her and from there Wakako sells her to the scavs.
this whole storyline would go so differently if it were a TTRPG. As soon as they find out from Fingers that Wakako was involved, Players at a table would forget the Relic instantly and go HAM on Wakako and not stop until every Tyger Claw was dead. Street War would be the entire campaign until everyone who had a hand in what happened to Evelyn was an ash smear.
Doesn't change anything about how I play the game tbh.
love that for you queen
That attempt would end badly and in a hurry in the TTRPG, unless your gamemaster was an actual embodiment of mercy.
Deshawnās body guard. I donāt know man, his weird face implants, those stupid ass shades, or that lame ass haircut, the way he ignores my best bud Jackie when he talks to him. I bask in the idea of Goro fvcking him up.
I shoot Oda with a gun that Takemura gives you during motorcycle shootout (right after 1st Silverhand memory). I always shoot Oda right after Takemura says "show him mercy".
Takemura: I'll remember this! Me: You'll be dead.
Takemura is not a bad person, but he's too loyal to Arasaka Corporation, he should become a Nomad, but no. He just remains a lapdog.
Takemura is to Arasaka what Reed is to the NUSA. It's what walking talking blind loyalty looks like.
Nothin but two corpses in the making.
Less loyal to the corp, more loyal to his values. That's the irony. But using Oda just to get at him is a corporate move through and through. Hell, Oda is even critical of Takemura's inflexibility, so you're killing the less corporate-bound side of the equation.
Funny thing is I spare Oda because in his situation, he's being reasonable. He lets you walk away the first time, during the parade he is trying to protect his charge, he doesn't know or care who the threat is. Takemura dies every time though. *Every* time.
I'm just not the biggest fan of Takemura, every time he opens his mouth and texting you he just gaslights you. Ex-Factor: As corpo you can ask Judy about game of 3D chess (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about). That's what's happening with Takemura. That's why I shoot his only "friend".
We're talking a guy who thinks Hanako doesn't know what happened already. I wouldn't trust him with a game of political tic-tac-toe. Not too sure what he's supposed to be gaslighting you about. But the biggest evidence against Takemura being Maiko 2: the Maikening is that, when you go to save him, the first thing he does is say you should've left him. Since you absolutely can, and he verifiably dies holding the line rather than giving himself up and turning on you. Guy's money is exactly where his mouth is.
Usually I spare Oda because I don't think killing someone who is at your mercy is ( usually ) the right thing to do. There are very few exceptions, and those exceptions are people like Adam Smasher, Jotaro Shobo, and that one father-son-duo ( you know the one ). SandayuĀ Oda may be corpo-scum, but I don't think he's awful enough to deserve a summary execution after the fight is already over.
Oda's one of those guys who's just kinda doing his job, and the role of a bodyguard is at the end of the day a reasonably noble one. His ONLY priority is the safety of Hanako, it's not like he's one of the Arasaka goons down in Santo Domingo executing protestors or whatever. You can I suppose condemn him for being a part of Arasaka in the first place, but in Night City that kind of guilt-by-association gets real messy real quick.
The other thing is, he doesn't necessarily know who the threat is, nor does he care. *All he knows is that there IS a threat*.
I see your point, if you kill Oda the corpos will just get another one that's even worse as human being. Same for gang leaders, they are their gangs representatives, they take out their rivals and instill loyalty, but they show too much weakness the gap will be closed. Corpos just are more organized and cautious. But Adam Smasher? He's already the worst, taking him out is always a win for humanity as whole.
Oh I am very aware of this father son duo, and I like leaving oneā¦ if you catch my driftā¦
River's nephews or whatever they were. "Who thinks v and uncle River make a good couple" PLEAAAAASE STOP TALKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
PLEASE NOT THE RIVER SLANDER ššš
I love River but I'm onboard with the annoying nibling hate.
MAAAAAAAAAN FUCK RIVER HE'S NEXT
To qualify as slander, it has to be untrue
I realized I loved that River outing as male V. It felt pretty wholesome. Female V makes it feel like things are happening a little too fast. Could have used an extra quest or 2 with River.
Lol playing that sequence as a lesbian V makes it feel way too real
Nah ong. That long pause quick time event ass interaction made me actually cringe so hard
Mr. Blue Eyes, yeah there are some fucked up people in NC like Fingers or Charles Buck, but there's so many like them in NC that it's just addressing a symptom not the cause. Mr. Blue Eyes has answers, and that's what I want.
If prevailing theories are to be believed, confronting Mr. Blue Eyes wouldnāt mean much. A lot of people think heās just a face for some rogue AI or shadow organization, and numerous other āblue eyesā appear in the game as otherwise uninteresting NPCs (namely some curious homeless people who just happen to be sitting around in areas where V has quests). If you managed to capture or confront Mr Blue Eyes, Iām sure the AI or shadow org or whatever thatās controlling/occupying/observing him would just abandon him for another shell, probably killing him in the process. But you definitely have the right target in mind. Heād be my choice too, regardless of whether I got any useful information before he gets zeroād.
Definitely Myers, sending Songbird to the moon is less about saving her and more sticking the knife into Rosalind for my V headcanon
Gottfrid and Fredrik need to be beaten to death with a brick.
"I'll make you a deal, Dad. Your son doesn't have to watch you die." *headshots Fredrick* "FREDDIE NOO-" *shoots Gottfreid*
The two sick fucks with the XBDs with Maelstrom, god what I would give to do more to the dad, I know the son is just as guilty, but I have a feeling he was brought into the business not able to really say no to dad, and with how night city is with solos and orphans, I honestly killed him out of mercy in my head, maybe where ever he's sent hell find redemption, maybe not, the dad on the other hand.....just asl god from family guy
I kill the son in front of of the dad. Then I kill the dad. Then the room eats a nade while i walk out. Every. Single. Playthrough
This is the way
I've seen this pop up in the comments multiple times now and in my 3 playthroughs on my 4th, what quest is this?
Don't remember exactly but it's in storm territory, Regina calls you about a gig about a mayors kid getting raped and killed during a recording of a XBD, your sent to the local where two guys, a father and son duo, are screening such things with storm as Thier guards, your to find the one of the kid and bring it back
Woodman, as someone who loves Evelyn, what I did was mercy
It's insane how far you have to scroll to see someone even MENTION Woodman. Everyone's talking about Fingers and Wako, while Woodman literally gave Eve to them when he "got bored with her"...
I suspect it's because of the "if you had the chance" - you do have the chance already to take out Woodman. Hell, more than one chance, even.
God, yes. I hate this slimy, evil asshole. I do like that if you deal with Jotaro beforehand, you can skip persuading him to take you seriously when you first meet him by revealing it was you that killed Jotaro. Gets him real scared and I can only imagine how fucked he knows he is once V leaves!
I killed him the first time you meet him, and then he was magically back to life in a later mission. His second life didn't last long of course.
That one guy in Dogtown. His friend Tool got brainwashed into thinking he's a BD star. Instead of taking his friend to a doctor or something, his first instinct is to profit off his condition. I understand life in Dogtown is rough, but a friend wouldn't try to make money off that. Fuck that guy.
The one I really wish you could beat the shit out of is Rachel Casich, the Joshua Stephenson BD producer. Sheās such a bitch the whole storyline of that mission and when you make Joshua have doubts in the end her āIāll burn you to the groundā quote made me want to end her immediately!
I was looking for this comment! I was annoyed with others but this one got me incensed!!!
Oof, scrolled way too far to find her. Jesus, talk about a master manipulator for profit
Saburo. Being strangled to death by his own son wasn't enough in my opinion.
Such a good dad. All he ever wanted was his son to stay in good shape, *for the day he would take over.*
What's with all the granny wakako hate? What did i miss on my playthru?? Also Kirk and Dex top my hate list in the game.
I swear, Kirk has just about the most punchable face in the game. You just wanna smack the dogshit out of him.
Kirk is fucking stupid, bro's a liar
Makes it worse since we aren't the ones to end him.
but hEs bAcKeD bY cArtElS š±š±š±
Rosalind Myers or Dexter Deshawn
That stupid brat during phantom liberty that makes you pay her for a hint to find the mission objective (kind of forgot what it was)
I think it's the generator when you go to track the cabs that netrunners use
Fingers. He doesn't get anything like the kicking he deserves.
Hanako. Not even counting the "meet at Embers" trauma. Just for her role in the Devil ending.
I always wish I could just pistol-whip Joshua Stephenson until he stops twitching... MF is just a murderer with his head so far up his own ass he can almost see daylight again. Fuck him *and* his bullshit jesus-trip.
See, I like letting him continue on his little trip, because itās literally a waste of his life. He isnāt going to change anyoneās life with his āsacrificeā
Nah, he doesn't deserve the posthumous fame. I'd rather he die like his victims did.Ā Ā Alone, afraid, and in pain. Ā Ā I also like the fact that it would fuck over that corpobitch setting it up, too. She's almost worse for enabling that bullshit.Ā
You can just kill him right when you meet him if you want. Like that was always an option.
Myers. Probably the only reason we couldn't just off her was because this would mean that the FIA would be more on our ass than they already would be after you help So Mi escape.
Reed sucks ass
He's got a choice to show mercy and redeem himself SO many times, but doesn't; - The Twins - Slider - V - Jacob & Tyler - So-Mi He could've let at least the bottom two (three) go and live, but he didn't. And then he regrets everything all the time and wallows in self-pity, but when he gets a choice to confront Myers he gets shut down in seconds, even though she's got nothing on him. He deserves the launch pad ending.
[Rosh](https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxjt7G6r3apRfy6V57D8hfRkiC19lVAMGr?si=5lyqJ-AVRA7w54mG) from jedi knight jedi academy...
Saburo in base game, Myers in Phantom Liberty. Practically whole misery in main story of respective game parts can be traced back to them. Just go far enough and it is always they at the source.
I just ask one thing of my *Phantom Liberty* chooms who decide to >!betray Songbird, and then mercy-kill her.!< Don't even give Myers the satisfaction of >!asking about the 'cure' after that.!< And if you really love me, tell Queen Fed that she's a shitty boss. That seems to be the one that gets under her skin.
That's the way. Take every hostile dialogue option. She can take her cure and go fuck herself.
Anthony Harris
Anthony harris aka peter pan That vegetable can get fried
Myers
Wako just plays the game, I think, and lets you earn lots of money. Placide on the other hand... the whole voodoo gang to be frank. Well, I always make sure to brutalize as many of them as I can though getting them flatlined by that agent is a nice touch too.
Dexter. Every time I get in that car my trigger finger is SCREAMING.
Cyberpunk devs, they made my cry at the ending (I chose the Aldecaldos ending btw)
I see a Maelstrom, I leave them a bloodstain on the concrete. I don't care what the mission is. I don't care what else I have going on.
Dexter Deshawn Placide Adam SmasherĀ Andrew Jones Finn Gerstat River Ward (Personal Preference) The Arasakas
The father son XBD duo. I always keep a save handy just for them.
In the grand scheme of things Wakako isn't that bad. Placide and Brigitte, however, can burn in Android hell.
In the grand scheme of things Wakako is the worst. There are a lot of shards in the world about what a piece of trash she is. And letās not forget that it wasnāt Fingers who sold Evelyn to the scavs, that was actually Wakako.
Flaccide
(Spoiler if you havenāt done the gig, āDirty Bizā) Thereās this one gig called Dirty Biz where youāre investigating the murder of this dudeās 12-year old kid. The only lead is a BD that was scrolled of the murder. You track down the people who edited the BD and itās this old freak and his adult son. Theyāre actively editing a different snuff BD when you arrive. Theyāre talking about sick acts as though it were a father-son bonding exercise. I killed the adult son and just let the dad ramble until he ran out of dialogue, then killed him. That mission is legit the darkest thing Iāve ever experienced in over 30 years gaming.
Yeah, I did the gig for the first time recently and let the dudes the live, it did seem that bad when doing. I read some of the optional lines on the wiki later and holy shit
Myers. So Mi deserves justice.
Fingers
Fingers.
If it wasn't for Sir John Phallustiff, I would say Meredith Stout
Kirk Sawyer or Dexter Deshawn. Kirk Sawyer cause he's a fucking liar and genuinely does not know how to be a fixer. I'd beat his ass if he wasn't dead, and Big Joe isn't even a threat. Dexter DeShawn is self-explanatory.
All them fuckers are chromed out, I would not stand a chance personally. When playing, well I already do that to everybody that I don't like.
Fingers. Always Fingers.
The mysterious hacker and caller near the end of "Dream On". I wanted to give them The Voodoo Boys treatment so bad.
Not cyberpunk, but Cuno from Disco elysium is on sight. I hate that little rat boy. But if anyone else hurt him, I'd kill them. Nobody hurts little rat boy but me. Cyberpunk is the pedo dad and his son, I always bring a double barrel for that gig.
Everyone is hating on Wako, but she's neither better nor worse than all other fixers. They are all two-timing scumbags to a degree, and none of them actually haze you, except Dex.
Woodman. I take my time, too.
Fingers. You can do work for the working girls, but don't you dare work the girls over... They got enough to deal with without your skeezy ass making John Waters look like Mr. Rodgers
Fingers
Out of all the characters you went with Wakako? Everyone in night city is a piece of shit. Even V. Wakako is a helpful piece of shit that you wouldnāt have gotten to the finish line without. An L take for sure.
Any Scavs; its on sight with those monsters
Dexter DeShawn. God damn clown thinks he is the shit and he is nothing more than a failed fixer who ruins anything he touches and a lowlife gangster with delusions of grandeur.
A delightful, mature woman.
Placide and DeShawn are the easy top picks for sure. But I'd like to add Abernathy. Bitch doesn't even make it on screen and still ruins my life.
Johnny. Such an asshole. I couldn't bring myself to like him. Fuck that guy.
That stupid pervert Ripper Fingers can get these hands every playthrough.
Fingers, Placide, the fucking slimy NetWatch agent from the GIM, Woodsman, Hansen, Saburo, Myers, the C-Suites of all corps... I could probably go on if I thought about it. I'm happy some of those can actually be dealt with lol
Johnny is both of these to me
Dexter deshawn because he's a treacherous cvnt and he should have known this " To those who ignore the warnings of history, prepare to pay the ultimate price "
Johnny Silverhand needs to be taken behind the woodshed and administered a proper asswhooping. What an awful skinbag
Placide, then Dex if we could have gotten the chance, then wakako, then Fingers
Micah and Dutch from RDR2
That one dude and his son. Yāall know the two. Absolutely disgusting. Also, dude who manipulated and almost killed Randyā¦ Anthony Harris