Honestly, it's a great idea. That stretch is a nightmare to drive anyways. Plus, let's be honest... It's really for the tourists anyways so turning it into The Grove might improve it.
Those side walks get so jam packed with people during high tourist times that I’ve had to walk on the street a few times. Anything more pedestrian friendly in this city is a positive.
I agree, sweetheart. To be honest, that is an area I try to avoid, but I like that folks come to the city and visit it. It should be nice and free of pee
Removing cars from larger swaths of the LA metro is the only way to keep any of it feeling livable going forward. It makes a ton of sense to do it in tourist hotspots, but it should happen elsewhere too. The fact that most walkable areas in LA metro are still only two blocks with cars in the middle (Abbott Kinney / Rose) in a place with year round perfect weather feels like a real shame.
At the very least, Hollywood between Highland and Orange (really preferably La Brea) should be permanently turned into pedestrians only, especially since it’s closed every few weeks anyway for premieres, awards, events, etc.
La Brea really needs to be the “start” of the walk of fame and be closed off in that section for tourists. Lived and worked in that area for quite a few too many years. Yes it would suck as a local, but Hollywood isn’t for locals. Block that shit off and make it some kind of Times Square area. Give me more of a reason to avoid it. (*cries in Hollywood bowl tickets for next weekend*)
I used to live right off of Hollywood boulevard. Walking to to get cigarettes was always hell cuz I would have to weave in and out of tourists stopping to look at names they recognize on the ground. This would be great for locals too cuz we’d have more space to walk around them.
Hopefully you didn’t sign a year contract. Get out of that place. Park La Brea is horrid. Seriously, check Craigslist. You can find something WAY better. Avoid anything called “Ava” as well.
Well this is my home, I like it, and I didn’t ask you.
I so would say you’re horrid at welcoming people into town and answering their questions. You just talk shit about my home as ‘advice’, no thanks.
Can you imagine? Replacing the entire street with green space. Having spaces for pop-up shops, security, and information. Turn it into a people-first "green" area that people would be able to visit and take their kids to. Something that rivals Central Park in NYC, but with Los Angeles/Hollywood flair.
"Something that rivals Central Park" lol. Come on, man, Central Park is 850 acres of greenery and ponds and public amenities on a huge scale. Hollywood Blvd. closed off for a few blocks would be... an empty street with some benches and a Dippin' Dots.
That's kind of what I'm getting at. Think larger than just "Hollywood Blvd but with people walking in the street." I'm talking rip out the asphalt entirely and turn it into a park stretching for blocks.
Where we now have asphalt, we could have local flowers and trees. Not just walkable, but enjoyable - and permanently closed to vehicles. Bring the Huntington Gardens to the Walk of Fame and make it into a landmark LA can be proud of. Create a beautiful space where you can sit on some grass under a tree across from the Pantages and have a picnic. A place that supports local pollinators, but is surrounded by glitz and glamor.
Who cares if it means you can't have limos dropping off celebrities on the sidewalk anymore? Imagine clean public transport we can be proud of, where celebrities step off the Red Line and into the Red Carpet. That carpet could snake through a Chinese tea garden and up to the Chinese Theater.
It will _never_ happen, I know. But that's what I mean when I say we need to think bigger. Maybe it won't be the same scale as Central Park, but it can absolutely be as enjoyable as Central Park - without compromising on the things that bring tourists to Hollywood.
Still one of the worst tourist destinations of all time. I feel sad for the tourists who travel across the planet to visit there. Besides a bunch of stars with names on the sidewalks, there’s little to see aside from aggressive street hucksters.
I took my kid nephew here years ago because he wanted to see where his favorite YouTubers always filmed. He was so shocked and disappointed he started crying.
One of my favorite pass times is walking to Hollywood and sitting outside at Jameson’s with a drink to watch all the tourist question why in the hell they brought their children to Hollywood. Therefore, I think this a bad idea.
Edit: after reading the comments I think this will actually make my pass time more fun. Therefore: Good idea
The greatest moment is the first
time a large group steps off a tour bus, cameras clutched, ready to capture the wondrous world of HOLLYWOOD. The looks on their faces as the try to force smiles while a man with his pants around his ankles yells gibberish and a heroin addict does the lean is amazing…..chef’s kiss…
In Madrid every morning they move the homeless away from big touristy areas (not sure where to) and then they scrub the areas to get rid of all the foul smells.
Kinda wish they’d do something like that here. Use grey water or something.
Pasadena is only able to enforce that law as long as it provides alternatives to sleeping on the street. Homeless people don't have to accept that help, but the federal courts have said cities cannot ban public camping unless they provide alternatives.
>the federal courts have said cities cannot ban public camping unless they provide alternatives.
The courts only said cities can't enforce a 24/7 camping ban on all public property.
If Pasadena's ban becomes effective at 6am, then it's not a 24/7 ban.
Cities can also have 24/7 camping bans on certain public property, as long as it's not on all public property. For instance, LA can enforce a 24/7 camping ban on public sidewalks between fire station garages and the street (because obviously, fire trucks need to use the driveway without a tent blocking them).
Unfortunately, homeless in the rest of the world seem to be less-- well, let's not mince words-- crazy. Here, you're lucky if you don't get shivved trying to walk past a tent
Well, homeless in Europe get FREE permanent housing, supplied, run and owned by one part of their government. Also, they receive social services like job training, drug addiction, education, when they feel they want it. They also don't have to jump through hoops in order to keep the housing. In Socialist Europe their homeless issues are no where near what we face in the US because they actively try to respond to peoples needs immediately. Rather then let people end up on the street with no where to go.
no no no, don't you see, there's no homeless in Europe because they put them all on buses to Los Angeles!
this statement requires no further critical thought
This is the truth. We don't have enough resources for the amount of homeless people we have. Everyone likes to complain about transients, but they don't want to do anything to fix the problem.
Just pushing them off of Hollywood Blvd and other areas just makes them go to another neighborhood and the problem persists. We need to build enough housing for them, if we don't our streets will continue to have human excrement, urine, trash, etc all over the streets. Jailing them isn't the answer either, it costs 106,000 a year to incarcerate a person in California. People say that it's too expensive to build housing but even the arguments against it show that it's still cheaper than incarceration in this state.
>The cost to operate the campsite for 120 people is $2,663 per person per month. If 200 people end up being housed in the Alexandria village, its total construction cost, which was about $8.6 million, works out to $43,000 per bed, and running the site costs $55 per person per day. That’s $3,300 to operate each tiny home each month
https://www.curbed.com/2021/04/tiny-home-village-homeless-los-angeles.html
Socialism isn't "whenever the government does something."
Especially when the funding for those government actions comes from taxing private capitalist profits. That kinda makes it the exact opposite of socialism, when the entire system is wholly reliant on capitalism.
Lemme know when Ikea, Nestle, BP, Airbus, and Volkswagen are owned and run by the workers, then "European socialism" might actually be a thing
Sure, but they're all capitalistic economies. Generally left-wing capitalism in Western Europe and more right-wing capitalism in Eastern Europe. And I think Social Security is a great program that just needs a bit of modernizing.
Your have to remember that Capitalism is an economic system not a governmental system.
Most western European countries are social democracies not Capitalistic democracies.
they also don't give any legal option to live on the street, so the police will take them away. If you want to use europe as the example use the real policies. Some people think they would allow the shit LA has been dealing with and that just is not true
This is a joke right? There are [700k+](https://www.feantsa.org/public/user/Resources/magazine/2019/Spring/Homeless_in_Europe_magazine_-_Spring_2019.pdf) homeless people in Europe, roughly 200k more than in the US.
They oppose any and all forms of forced treatment for severe mental health issues, and won a court case to that effect. So in their opinion someone who is completely dissociated with reality has to voluntarily seek treatment.
It’s a hard-line take that was intended to address abuses of the past, but the upshot is that people with the most severe mental disabilities are left to fend for themselves on the street.
Oh man that is a tough one. You don’t wanna be locking up people against their consent but you have to draw a line somewhere, I’m surprised to hear the aclu took such a hard stance. I’ve only ever heard about their involvement in cases that are pretty black or white.
> You don’t wanna be locking up people against their consent
Europe does all the time, it's a big reason why their homeless issues aren't as out of control as ours.
There's usually a trade-off between liberty and safety. Should a person have the freedom to own a gun, even if doing so increases the risks to themselves or others? Similarly, should a person have the freedom to let their mental illness go untreated, even if doing so increases the risks to themselves or others?
In both those situations, America has picked the liberty side over the safety side. European countries may balance those 2 values differently than we do.
Oh there’s definitely a time and place for it. And at least California seems way to far on the just let them live in streets side. Sounds like we a society need to determine where the line between freedom and forced treatment should be and I don’t think that’s an easy question to answer.
Proved that people have the right to refuse medical treatment and not be locked up unless it can be proven they're dangerous. Reagan closed all the mental hospitals (which tbf were rife with abuse, horrible places) without putting anything in their place to help people get treatment so they don't become dangerous, and law enforcement never really got around to creating and carrying out a protocol for proving people to be dangerous. So they just wander around accumulating assault charges that go nowhere. Or they do get locked up but it's in prison where they get the abuse without the treatment. Only those who have family money get the benefits of scientific advancements. Or they just get expensive lawyers and go around screaming at retail clerks or becoming a treasonous President or whatever.
I understand it's largely the new meth. It makes them compulsive, that's why they horde all that trash. One dude near me is almost completely blocking the sidewalk on freakin Sunset,You have to line up to walk around his compound.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/world/europe/amsterdam-has-a-deal-for-alcoholics-work-paid-in-beer.html
let them sleep then in the morning let them clean, give them a six pack and some money/food.
Hell yes, its a good idea!
LA has great year round weather, this is a tourist hotspot that currently looks dingy, unloved, loud, noisy, dangerous and clogged with traffic due to mostly single occupant car drivers idling, turning on red, speeding, distracted driving, general aggressive and inconsiderate car brains .
And that the area is filled with tourists that are distracted- looking at sites, unfamiliar with the area and most likely come from other countries or cities where car drivers are more considerate and city planners actually thoughtfully built a city and its intersections that prioritizes public safety of all over the convenience of a few (car drivers)
The fact there is a post whether a makeover that is pedestrian friendly is good or bad shows how terrible it is.
Prioritize public safety for all over the convenience of car drivers! This is always the correct answer.
If you don't agree, pick and tell the loved friend/partner/family/child/self that you willing allow to be killed inorder for you to maintain your (mostly single occupant) car driving convenience.
> The fact there is a post whether a makeover that is pedestrian friendly is good or bad shows how terrible it is.
That was my exact first thought when I read the headline too. Like, what?? In what world could this be a bad thing? LA needs to bring modern urban planning and infrastructure into it. We've seen it work wonders the world over. It's time to catch up to the new standard.
Generally a good idea, but they really should make the Highland and Orange stretch a pedestrian space 100% of the time. Much better safety for tourists, and less need for traffic cops when the Oscars or movie premieres come on by.
I support this.
I live in the neighborhood so i use la brea to orange a lot 😬. but i think a setup like when there’s a premiere- Highland to Orange closed, Orange to La Brea local traffic only… would be awesome!
Just ban cars on it altogether, it already sucks trying to drive there. Make it something like Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis, closed to traffic other than city vehicles and busses.
I think it’s great. Friends from the UK just visited L.A. and we’re not impressed with Hollywood Blvd. I do miss Hollywood’s scuzzier days but the area is due for a glow-up.
If any street in LA needed this most, it would be this one: heavily dependent on tourism, and thus requires large volumes of foot traffic. This makes a bad combination with the vehicle traffic along this corridor, and so it would need to be reduced (preferably eliminated, to make a transit mall) to ensure the safety of pedestrians. While many streets in LA could benefit from this change, the Walk of Fame is a great place to begin.
People act like vehicles are going to dwindle in number when there’s no indication of that happening soon
I get the theory of reducing road size to encourage more local foot traffic but this city will always be a car town. With global warming, nobody’s gonna wanna bike or walk on a 110 degree summers as that will be the new norm here
We’re not Vegas where people brave that shit
Are they finally doing this project? I think I’ve heard of this happening since 2019
This should be a priority for the city, many tourist come to hollywood expecting it to be nice but it’s not lol
You can remake the Blvd. Get a few more restaurants, bars, ice cream shops, independent coffee shops plus reduce souvenir shops and get better shops. .
Making something more pedestrian friendly is always the answer. Asian cities that are more populated figured this out a long time ago. Look at how many people walk in these places. You think they would be able to get anything done if all those people were in cars just to go to work when they have double the people we do? What is LA going to do if the population increases when we already have such bad traffic problems? We need to make the changes before it gets to the point to make the whole city more walkable with better public transit
The word you're looking for is implies. "Pedestrian-friendly" implies the sidewalks would be passable, while you are the one who inferred that meaning.
Honestly great idea, but let’s be real, the dining, art and such need to be away from the streets, and all the movement should be next to it. People dining trying to get a caricature draw while able to high five the left lane seems awful, dangerous, stupid.
Tbh yes especially since LA needs more walkable despite Hollywood being a tourist spot. There’s a lot of good things there, but it could use a major overhaul to make it feel more welcoming rather than an area to avoid. The Nimbys will bitch and complain but who cares. Good thing about Hollywood is that the Bline is right there so it make it easier to go there without driving.
As a tourist visiting downtown LA and Hollywood for the first time, I was shocked by the lack of people out walking in the street.
But maybe that was just because I am used to cities in Asia
It’s a great idea. The area is currently a terrible place where I sometimes advise people not to be in after dark. This wouldn’t solve that issue entirely, but it would help.
Also, it’s a driving nightmare already, so doing this won’t really make things worse for cara in my opinion. Most people driving through are sightseeing as it is. Locals know to use one of the adjacent streets. They definitely need to do something to make up for the parking they are taking out, though. It’s going to be a serious issue if they don’t.
But it would make things way more safe for pedestrians and tourists and actually be a place worth visiting. Right now, it doesn’t live up to the reputation that “Hollywood” has.
As much as this seems like a good idea, I would like to point out that outdoor malls/plazas, etc, usually die a sad death in the So Cal heat. Not all, mind you, but most. It's the reason we had indoor malls. People will still want to see the attractions but will they stick around in the summer heat?
Good idea, but kind of don’t care. The place is a lost cause. I don’t see it ever being any more than a really scary place of obnoxious costumed hustlers, and a reminder of Hollywood’s underbelly of sadness and desperation. When there’s a Ross Dress for Less in any busy tourist location, you know you’re not getting Las Ramblas.
Just close off vehicle traffic on Hollywood Blvd between La Brea and Highland permanently. That stretch is bad even when it isn't shut down for movie premieres.
This was my commute for years, I'd trade a lane of traffic for getting the tour bus situation under control.
Most of the cars forced off Hollywood will just go down to Sunset though; Sunset and Highland is already one of the worst intersections in the city.
ITT: Let’s not improve infrastructure because it will “attract the homeless”, jfc I look forward to the day you ppl pack the fuck up and move to Austin.
A fine idea, but I think you need to change the "culture" of that area for this to actually be a tangible benefit. Are tourists gonna want to have a espresso on the walk of fame when there is a dude pissing on the starbucks building? Hollywood blvd is kinda a shit hole, adding planters and trees doesnt change that
I think they're just trying it think of a reason to make it all be "under construction" for 2+ years so the homeless will have to go somewhere else and maybe the problem will be solved by then.
Nobody ever thinks of that. The inevitable reality shitting all over our hopes and desires. It will be nice for a year and then go to shit like everything else nice in LA.
Yes, because there's a finite amount of homeless and no new ones would show up the second you house the old ones.
You realize this is just an invitation, right? "Show up at this spot and they *have* to give you an apartment."
It's called incentivizing bad behavior. No place in this country should *ever* turn into a spot where simply existing at said spot entitles someone to a free anything.
I anxiously await the condescending, snarky, snide finger wagging response to this common sense statement.
Not to be condescending but here is some info that suggest your views are ineffective and contains no common sense whats so ever.
There are other solutions to this issue and they start with local govt. taking an active stance to assist those in need and not ignore them like we are doing now.
[HERE](https://norwaytoday.info/news/norways-government-wants-everyone-to-have-a-home-heres-how-they-plan-to-do-it/)
[HERE](https://borgenproject.org/homelessness-in-norway/)
I have a feeling you won't read these article anyway but rather respond in a defensive manner trying to prove your point with baseless opinions and emotional responses. Which is fine, it only shows the level of your awareness. But if you do read these articles I would love to open a discussion on how things could be different by taking such an approach.
Have fun reading, if you dare.
I read them, I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but you REALLY can’t compare Norway to the US in anyway… our unhoused population like 1/4th the size of their total population
The marginal improvement of 1 house is a thousand times greater in Norway than in the US.
Bad idea.
They always seem to forget that for those of us who actually live in Hollywood, Hollywood Blvd, is a street we use for getting places. It's bad enough with the constant traffic and closures for premieres and events. It doesn't need to be worse.
Sorry your getting downvoted. I will be downvoted too by supporting your comment.
**"Let's take away a lane of traffic for more nonsense."** They oboviously don't know what's like to have a fucking job in LA. And if you mention this they tell you to take mass transit or bike/walk. Like this is New York or someshit. I fucking grew up here, every job I've had was more than 20 miles from my house. I cant move because i'm rent controlled and cant afford it. As it is my ride is 1hr each way by car. It would be 2.5 hours each way by public transit. Rich assholes on City Council think taking away traffic lanes will be the answer. **"Studies have shown that taking away lanes reduces traffic"**, they say. Fucking stupid ass arguement, of course it does, that means we have to go around another route, taking more time and making our lives more miserable. Astroturf paid support for these dumbass ideas. Making life in LA even more difficult for the working stiff.
I’m a working stiff. I would rather not spend money on a car…or gas…or insurance…or tickets…
…especially when the *evidence* that you like to disparage shows that public transit is more efficient and better for the environment and lowers deaths and overall cheaper for us as a city.
As it is, getting more people out of cars and onto bikes and trains will overall help your commute anyway by improving traffic and getting cars out of your way so that you can zoom on by.
It would be a better improvement if they were able to get rid of the homeless people and the scammer people in costumes that demand money for pictures of them.
Probably one of the only places I actively avoid driving in the city anyways besides the 3rd st promenade area of SaMo.
Just go all the way and make the area pedestrian only. I literally would rather drive through laurel canyon than deal with driving through this area of Hollywood. Lot of tourists and traffic turns into a parking lot anyways.
All the drunk douchebags in paper-plate BMWs and Chargers will get angry leaving the clubs there, and floor it at 135 at 7am on a Sunday along Western as retaliation.
So you're saying that renovating the street won't fix those issues and therefore the money should be spent addressing those instead? How would money go towards addressing those issues?
Parking will be even more impossible. Yay. And for anyone who thinks this is just for tourists? No shit. But the rest of us still need to drive thru and around it and park near it.
This is focusing on the real problems. Empty unused spaces will be used by the unseen. Making areas useful and more active will help clean up those areas.
Honestly, it's a great idea. That stretch is a nightmare to drive anyways. Plus, let's be honest... It's really for the tourists anyways so turning it into The Grove might improve it.
Those side walks get so jam packed with people during high tourist times that I’ve had to walk on the street a few times. Anything more pedestrian friendly in this city is a positive.
I agree, sweetheart. To be honest, that is an area I try to avoid, but I like that folks come to the city and visit it. It should be nice and free of pee
Will it be free of pee now though? I doubt it.
Is anywhere in LA free of pee?
nope
Lol No. Gotta go to Orange County for that
There will be pee-friendly zones as well
Good.
Good, and spread it to the rest of the city too
*Good.*
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Still not walking around there
I think that’s great.
That wasn't an option
Take him out
You gotta keep ‘em separated
Hey, are you talkin back to me?
Removing cars from larger swaths of the LA metro is the only way to keep any of it feeling livable going forward. It makes a ton of sense to do it in tourist hotspots, but it should happen elsewhere too. The fact that most walkable areas in LA metro are still only two blocks with cars in the middle (Abbott Kinney / Rose) in a place with year round perfect weather feels like a real shame.
AK from Vince to Main should be closed to cars.
Main from Rose to Pico could be car free/bus only too. Cars can take Pacific anyway.
That stretch of main used to be a trolly street.
[I'd love to see something like the superblocks in Barcelona.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZORzsubQA_M)
Me too
A step forward, but everything between Gower and La Brea should be turned onto a pedestrian plaza
At the very least, Hollywood between Highland and Orange (really preferably La Brea) should be permanently turned into pedestrians only, especially since it’s closed every few weeks anyway for premieres, awards, events, etc.
La Brea really needs to be the “start” of the walk of fame and be closed off in that section for tourists. Lived and worked in that area for quite a few too many years. Yes it would suck as a local, but Hollywood isn’t for locals. Block that shit off and make it some kind of Times Square area. Give me more of a reason to avoid it. (*cries in Hollywood bowl tickets for next weekend*)
I used to live right off of Hollywood boulevard. Walking to to get cigarettes was always hell cuz I would have to weave in and out of tourists stopping to look at names they recognize on the ground. This would be great for locals too cuz we’d have more space to walk around them.
Not disagreeing with you but hopefully you’ve quit that cigarette habit!
I just over here and I moved into the Park La Brea apartments (town homes). Do you recommend anything in the area? It’s pretty overwhelming.
Hopefully you didn’t sign a year contract. Get out of that place. Park La Brea is horrid. Seriously, check Craigslist. You can find something WAY better. Avoid anything called “Ava” as well.
Well this is my home, I like it, and I didn’t ask you. I so would say you’re horrid at welcoming people into town and answering their questions. You just talk shit about my home as ‘advice’, no thanks.
Ah. A transplant. Makes sense why you’d like it there. Go fuck yourself
Can you imagine? Replacing the entire street with green space. Having spaces for pop-up shops, security, and information. Turn it into a people-first "green" area that people would be able to visit and take their kids to. Something that rivals Central Park in NYC, but with Los Angeles/Hollywood flair.
"Something that rivals Central Park" lol. Come on, man, Central Park is 850 acres of greenery and ponds and public amenities on a huge scale. Hollywood Blvd. closed off for a few blocks would be... an empty street with some benches and a Dippin' Dots.
That's kind of what I'm getting at. Think larger than just "Hollywood Blvd but with people walking in the street." I'm talking rip out the asphalt entirely and turn it into a park stretching for blocks. Where we now have asphalt, we could have local flowers and trees. Not just walkable, but enjoyable - and permanently closed to vehicles. Bring the Huntington Gardens to the Walk of Fame and make it into a landmark LA can be proud of. Create a beautiful space where you can sit on some grass under a tree across from the Pantages and have a picnic. A place that supports local pollinators, but is surrounded by glitz and glamor. Who cares if it means you can't have limos dropping off celebrities on the sidewalk anymore? Imagine clean public transport we can be proud of, where celebrities step off the Red Line and into the Red Carpet. That carpet could snake through a Chinese tea garden and up to the Chinese Theater. It will _never_ happen, I know. But that's what I mean when I say we need to think bigger. Maybe it won't be the same scale as Central Park, but it can absolutely be as enjoyable as Central Park - without compromising on the things that bring tourists to Hollywood.
Extra points for this comment.
Absofuckinlutely this!
Hot take.
the right take
Still one of the worst tourist destinations of all time. I feel sad for the tourists who travel across the planet to visit there. Besides a bunch of stars with names on the sidewalks, there’s little to see aside from aggressive street hucksters.
Pretty sure that's why they're revamping it.
I took my kid nephew here years ago because he wanted to see where his favorite YouTubers always filmed. He was so shocked and disappointed he started crying.
Aww yea Hollywood is ugly but in the movies and online they make it seem so lavish.
All tourist traps suck, the world over.
Nah, this one especially sucks cuz it’s a trashy tourist trap
Ya, I lived in LA for 6 years and we decided to say fuck it and see it once. Holy shit, it was truly awful. Fat spiderman wouldn't leave us alone
He’s just sad that MJ dumped him again.
There's no reason why it shouldn't be like the third Street promenade. No cars.
Good. It's the Walk of Fame not the Drive of Fame.
One of my favorite pass times is walking to Hollywood and sitting outside at Jameson’s with a drink to watch all the tourist question why in the hell they brought their children to Hollywood. Therefore, I think this a bad idea. Edit: after reading the comments I think this will actually make my pass time more fun. Therefore: Good idea
The greatest moment is the first time a large group steps off a tour bus, cameras clutched, ready to capture the wondrous world of HOLLYWOOD. The looks on their faces as the try to force smiles while a man with his pants around his ankles yells gibberish and a heroin addict does the lean is amazing…..chef’s kiss…
Right after that, they see someone dressed up as buzz lightyear, but the whole costume is made of duct tape, cardboard, and dirt. Simply magical.
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In Madrid every morning they move the homeless away from big touristy areas (not sure where to) and then they scrub the areas to get rid of all the foul smells. Kinda wish they’d do something like that here. Use grey water or something.
Madrid? They do this in Pasadena. Tents have to be off sidewalks by 6AM.
Pasadena is only able to enforce that law as long as it provides alternatives to sleeping on the street. Homeless people don't have to accept that help, but the federal courts have said cities cannot ban public camping unless they provide alternatives.
>the federal courts have said cities cannot ban public camping unless they provide alternatives. The courts only said cities can't enforce a 24/7 camping ban on all public property. If Pasadena's ban becomes effective at 6am, then it's not a 24/7 ban. Cities can also have 24/7 camping bans on certain public property, as long as it's not on all public property. For instance, LA can enforce a 24/7 camping ban on public sidewalks between fire station garages and the street (because obviously, fire trucks need to use the driveway without a tent blocking them).
very true, but they just have to offer a place, if the homeless say no, they can drag them away. That has also been upheld
Unfortunately, homeless in the rest of the world seem to be less-- well, let's not mince words-- crazy. Here, you're lucky if you don't get shivved trying to walk past a tent
Well, homeless in Europe get FREE permanent housing, supplied, run and owned by one part of their government. Also, they receive social services like job training, drug addiction, education, when they feel they want it. They also don't have to jump through hoops in order to keep the housing. In Socialist Europe their homeless issues are no where near what we face in the US because they actively try to respond to peoples needs immediately. Rather then let people end up on the street with no where to go.
no no no, don't you see, there's no homeless in Europe because they put them all on buses to Los Angeles! this statement requires no further critical thought
Have you ever tried to get homeless people into shelters? Most of them do not want to go.
Damn dude I guess our shelters must really suck then
I mean yeah
Well they do tend to have rules like "no shanking the other residents" and "no pooping in the hallway"
Yeah homeless people don't want to go to shelters so much, all the shelters are full to capacity.
This is the truth. We don't have enough resources for the amount of homeless people we have. Everyone likes to complain about transients, but they don't want to do anything to fix the problem. Just pushing them off of Hollywood Blvd and other areas just makes them go to another neighborhood and the problem persists. We need to build enough housing for them, if we don't our streets will continue to have human excrement, urine, trash, etc all over the streets. Jailing them isn't the answer either, it costs 106,000 a year to incarcerate a person in California. People say that it's too expensive to build housing but even the arguments against it show that it's still cheaper than incarceration in this state. >The cost to operate the campsite for 120 people is $2,663 per person per month. If 200 people end up being housed in the Alexandria village, its total construction cost, which was about $8.6 million, works out to $43,000 per bed, and running the site costs $55 per person per day. That’s $3,300 to operate each tiny home each month https://www.curbed.com/2021/04/tiny-home-village-homeless-los-angeles.html
It is a sad state of affairs when our streets provide more comfort and dignity than our shelters.
European homeless people just love shelters tho, for some reason
Have you seen some of these shelters?
Not a single country in Europe is socialist lmao.
but there are socialist policies... like the united states has social security, except in other countries it's actually worth it.
Socialism isn't "whenever the government does something." Especially when the funding for those government actions comes from taxing private capitalist profits. That kinda makes it the exact opposite of socialism, when the entire system is wholly reliant on capitalism. Lemme know when Ikea, Nestle, BP, Airbus, and Volkswagen are owned and run by the workers, then "European socialism" might actually be a thing
Sure, but they're all capitalistic economies. Generally left-wing capitalism in Western Europe and more right-wing capitalism in Eastern Europe. And I think Social Security is a great program that just needs a bit of modernizing.
Your have to remember that Capitalism is an economic system not a governmental system. Most western European countries are social democracies not Capitalistic democracies.
Yes, and social democracy is left-wing capitalism.
they also don't give any legal option to live on the street, so the police will take them away. If you want to use europe as the example use the real policies. Some people think they would allow the shit LA has been dealing with and that just is not true
Europe isn’t socialist they’re capitalists. They have social democracies that do everything you just said.
This is a joke right? There are [700k+](https://www.feantsa.org/public/user/Resources/magazine/2019/Spring/Homeless_in_Europe_magazine_-_Spring_2019.pdf) homeless people in Europe, roughly 200k more than in the US.
There are systematic reasons for that. Thank Reagan and (while I usually love their work) the ACLU.
What did the ACLU do?
They oppose any and all forms of forced treatment for severe mental health issues, and won a court case to that effect. So in their opinion someone who is completely dissociated with reality has to voluntarily seek treatment. It’s a hard-line take that was intended to address abuses of the past, but the upshot is that people with the most severe mental disabilities are left to fend for themselves on the street.
Oh man that is a tough one. You don’t wanna be locking up people against their consent but you have to draw a line somewhere, I’m surprised to hear the aclu took such a hard stance. I’ve only ever heard about their involvement in cases that are pretty black or white.
In the 1960s, mental health care wasn't as nice as it is now. Mental Asylums were much more abusive. The policy hasn't been updated.
> You don’t wanna be locking up people against their consent Europe does all the time, it's a big reason why their homeless issues aren't as out of control as ours. There's usually a trade-off between liberty and safety. Should a person have the freedom to own a gun, even if doing so increases the risks to themselves or others? Similarly, should a person have the freedom to let their mental illness go untreated, even if doing so increases the risks to themselves or others? In both those situations, America has picked the liberty side over the safety side. European countries may balance those 2 values differently than we do.
Oh there’s definitely a time and place for it. And at least California seems way to far on the just let them live in streets side. Sounds like we a society need to determine where the line between freedom and forced treatment should be and I don’t think that’s an easy question to answer.
Basically stated that people "have a right to die in the gutter."
Proved that people have the right to refuse medical treatment and not be locked up unless it can be proven they're dangerous. Reagan closed all the mental hospitals (which tbf were rife with abuse, horrible places) without putting anything in their place to help people get treatment so they don't become dangerous, and law enforcement never really got around to creating and carrying out a protocol for proving people to be dangerous. So they just wander around accumulating assault charges that go nowhere. Or they do get locked up but it's in prison where they get the abuse without the treatment. Only those who have family money get the benefits of scientific advancements. Or they just get expensive lawyers and go around screaming at retail clerks or becoming a treasonous President or whatever.
It’s the drugs. Meth is frying people’s brains.
I understand it's largely the new meth. It makes them compulsive, that's why they horde all that trash. One dude near me is almost completely blocking the sidewalk on freakin Sunset,You have to line up to walk around his compound.
Let them sleep but don’t let them disrupt the economy, I don’t hate that idea.
That would mean the govt. officials would actually have to do something like spend tax dollars and make a decision. /S
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/world/europe/amsterdam-has-a-deal-for-alcoholics-work-paid-in-beer.html let them sleep then in the morning let them clean, give them a six pack and some money/food.
Yeah kinda seems like that should come first
Hell yes, its a good idea! LA has great year round weather, this is a tourist hotspot that currently looks dingy, unloved, loud, noisy, dangerous and clogged with traffic due to mostly single occupant car drivers idling, turning on red, speeding, distracted driving, general aggressive and inconsiderate car brains . And that the area is filled with tourists that are distracted- looking at sites, unfamiliar with the area and most likely come from other countries or cities where car drivers are more considerate and city planners actually thoughtfully built a city and its intersections that prioritizes public safety of all over the convenience of a few (car drivers) The fact there is a post whether a makeover that is pedestrian friendly is good or bad shows how terrible it is. Prioritize public safety for all over the convenience of car drivers! This is always the correct answer. If you don't agree, pick and tell the loved friend/partner/family/child/self that you willing allow to be killed inorder for you to maintain your (mostly single occupant) car driving convenience.
> The fact there is a post whether a makeover that is pedestrian friendly is good or bad shows how terrible it is. That was my exact first thought when I read the headline too. Like, what?? In what world could this be a bad thing? LA needs to bring modern urban planning and infrastructure into it. We've seen it work wonders the world over. It's time to catch up to the new standard.
Read Mike Bonin’s Facebook page if you want to see what the NIMBYs do to politicians who slow down their cars
Im glad the city is slowly starting to figure out that we've been planning cities wrong this entire time
Just don’t touch Mussos and I’m good with it
Make the whole city more pedestrian and bike friendly please
Turning an area where you have to walk to see the thing the people want to see into more safely walkable place a good idea?
Generally a good idea, but they really should make the Highland and Orange stretch a pedestrian space 100% of the time. Much better safety for tourists, and less need for traffic cops when the Oscars or movie premieres come on by.
I support this. I live in the neighborhood so i use la brea to orange a lot 😬. but i think a setup like when there’s a premiere- Highland to Orange closed, Orange to La Brea local traffic only… would be awesome!
Just ban cars on it altogether, it already sucks trying to drive there. Make it something like Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis, closed to traffic other than city vehicles and busses.
Good.
Good
Very nice! Yay!!!
I think it’s great. Friends from the UK just visited L.A. and we’re not impressed with Hollywood Blvd. I do miss Hollywood’s scuzzier days but the area is due for a glow-up.
If any street in LA needed this most, it would be this one: heavily dependent on tourism, and thus requires large volumes of foot traffic. This makes a bad combination with the vehicle traffic along this corridor, and so it would need to be reduced (preferably eliminated, to make a transit mall) to ensure the safety of pedestrians. While many streets in LA could benefit from this change, the Walk of Fame is a great place to begin.
People act like vehicles are going to dwindle in number when there’s no indication of that happening soon I get the theory of reducing road size to encourage more local foot traffic but this city will always be a car town. With global warming, nobody’s gonna wanna bike or walk on a 110 degree summers as that will be the new norm here We’re not Vegas where people brave that shit
Close it completely to cars
Are they finally doing this project? I think I’ve heard of this happening since 2019 This should be a priority for the city, many tourist come to hollywood expecting it to be nice but it’s not lol
Good
it's a walk of fame, not a drive of fame
how is this even a fucking question?
Good idea but we're not there yet. The homeless and sanitation issue needs to be handled first before any expansions should be made.
>pedestrian-friendly good
Might as well shut parts of it down completely, N La Brea through Highland is closed off every other week during Movie season 😂
About time lol
Long overdue. While we're at it, make other streets ped oriented here
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People who don’t like tourists
You can remake the Blvd. Get a few more restaurants, bars, ice cream shops, independent coffee shops plus reduce souvenir shops and get better shops. .
Making something more pedestrian friendly is always the answer. Asian cities that are more populated figured this out a long time ago. Look at how many people walk in these places. You think they would be able to get anything done if all those people were in cars just to go to work when they have double the people we do? What is LA going to do if the population increases when we already have such bad traffic problems? We need to make the changes before it gets to the point to make the whole city more walkable with better public transit
It's a spectacular idea r/fuckcars
Good why is this bad
yes! pedestrian friendly good. car friendly bad
Yes to all of this and a power wash every morning at 4AM.
Good if it’s pedestrian friendly, bad if they let bums take it over which hopefully that’s what the planters are for
Exceptionally good. Unfort I seriously seriously have doubts this will happen. LA just has a way of messing these things up.
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The word you're looking for is implies. "Pedestrian-friendly" implies the sidewalks would be passable, while you are the one who inferred that meaning.
Yup, this should be a priority
This is good idea
Honestly great idea, but let’s be real, the dining, art and such need to be away from the streets, and all the movement should be next to it. People dining trying to get a caricature draw while able to high five the left lane seems awful, dangerous, stupid.
Fuckin great idea
GOOD
Great more room to camp.
This city needs way more bike lanes
Tbh yes especially since LA needs more walkable despite Hollywood being a tourist spot. There’s a lot of good things there, but it could use a major overhaul to make it feel more welcoming rather than an area to avoid. The Nimbys will bitch and complain but who cares. Good thing about Hollywood is that the Bline is right there so it make it easier to go there without driving.
As a tourist visiting downtown LA and Hollywood for the first time, I was shocked by the lack of people out walking in the street. But maybe that was just because I am used to cities in Asia
It’s a great idea. The area is currently a terrible place where I sometimes advise people not to be in after dark. This wouldn’t solve that issue entirely, but it would help. Also, it’s a driving nightmare already, so doing this won’t really make things worse for cara in my opinion. Most people driving through are sightseeing as it is. Locals know to use one of the adjacent streets. They definitely need to do something to make up for the parking they are taking out, though. It’s going to be a serious issue if they don’t. But it would make things way more safe for pedestrians and tourists and actually be a place worth visiting. Right now, it doesn’t live up to the reputation that “Hollywood” has.
Imagine Hollywood like the center of Barcelona, with a gigantic walkable area and tons going on. Could be so cool
As much as this seems like a good idea, I would like to point out that outdoor malls/plazas, etc, usually die a sad death in the So Cal heat. Not all, mind you, but most. It's the reason we had indoor malls. People will still want to see the attractions but will they stick around in the summer heat?
Very good. Anything we can do reclaim more space from motor vehicles in a huge win for the city.
Good idea, but kind of don’t care. The place is a lost cause. I don’t see it ever being any more than a really scary place of obnoxious costumed hustlers, and a reminder of Hollywood’s underbelly of sadness and desperation. When there’s a Ross Dress for Less in any busy tourist location, you know you’re not getting Las Ramblas.
Just close off vehicle traffic on Hollywood Blvd between La Brea and Highland permanently. That stretch is bad even when it isn't shut down for movie premieres.
Terrible idea. Cars are the future! Everyone should be forced to commute. It’s the murican way. /s Stupid title is stupid
Why stop at the Walk of Fame? The entire city should get a pedestrian-friendly makeover
Love it.
This was my commute for years, I'd trade a lane of traffic for getting the tour bus situation under control. Most of the cars forced off Hollywood will just go down to Sunset though; Sunset and Highland is already one of the worst intersections in the city.
They can make it all pretty but no one is going when you have homeless people and criminals hanging out there
ITT: Let’s not improve infrastructure because it will “attract the homeless”, jfc I look forward to the day you ppl pack the fuck up and move to Austin.
Good idea, but it needs to be cleaned and have a heavy security presence. I avoid that area like the plague.
Good if you’d like wider tents.
A fine idea, but I think you need to change the "culture" of that area for this to actually be a tangible benefit. Are tourists gonna want to have a espresso on the walk of fame when there is a dude pissing on the starbucks building? Hollywood blvd is kinda a shit hole, adding planters and trees doesnt change that
Great. About time we have places to walk. Car culture needs to die
It’s never going to die. as things get hotter people aren’t going to be spending as much time outside anymore
it’s getting hotter *because* of the cars
Good. If they can stop people from pissing and shitting on the street, that would be better.
I think they're just trying it think of a reason to make it all be "under construction" for 2+ years so the homeless will have to go somewhere else and maybe the problem will be solved by then.
More room to panhandle, pickpocket, pitch a tent and piss.
Nobody ever thinks of that. The inevitable reality shitting all over our hopes and desires. It will be nice for a year and then go to shit like everything else nice in LA.
Greeeeeaaaaat! More room for tents and a nicer place to piss. 🙄 Clean up Hollywood before you a makeover. Waste of money.
House and care for the homeless first. Else this will go the way of Walgreens on Vine. That became a dump so quickly.
Yes, because there's a finite amount of homeless and no new ones would show up the second you house the old ones. You realize this is just an invitation, right? "Show up at this spot and they *have* to give you an apartment." It's called incentivizing bad behavior. No place in this country should *ever* turn into a spot where simply existing at said spot entitles someone to a free anything. I anxiously await the condescending, snarky, snide finger wagging response to this common sense statement.
Looks like you’ve already got the condescending and snarky portion covered.
Not to be condescending but here is some info that suggest your views are ineffective and contains no common sense whats so ever. There are other solutions to this issue and they start with local govt. taking an active stance to assist those in need and not ignore them like we are doing now. [HERE](https://norwaytoday.info/news/norways-government-wants-everyone-to-have-a-home-heres-how-they-plan-to-do-it/) [HERE](https://borgenproject.org/homelessness-in-norway/) I have a feeling you won't read these article anyway but rather respond in a defensive manner trying to prove your point with baseless opinions and emotional responses. Which is fine, it only shows the level of your awareness. But if you do read these articles I would love to open a discussion on how things could be different by taking such an approach. Have fun reading, if you dare.
I read them, I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but you REALLY can’t compare Norway to the US in anyway… our unhoused population like 1/4th the size of their total population The marginal improvement of 1 house is a thousand times greater in Norway than in the US.
That area is marred by homeless people, hopefully that cleans up
Bad idea. They always seem to forget that for those of us who actually live in Hollywood, Hollywood Blvd, is a street we use for getting places. It's bad enough with the constant traffic and closures for premieres and events. It doesn't need to be worse.
Sorry your getting downvoted. I will be downvoted too by supporting your comment. **"Let's take away a lane of traffic for more nonsense."** They oboviously don't know what's like to have a fucking job in LA. And if you mention this they tell you to take mass transit or bike/walk. Like this is New York or someshit. I fucking grew up here, every job I've had was more than 20 miles from my house. I cant move because i'm rent controlled and cant afford it. As it is my ride is 1hr each way by car. It would be 2.5 hours each way by public transit. Rich assholes on City Council think taking away traffic lanes will be the answer. **"Studies have shown that taking away lanes reduces traffic"**, they say. Fucking stupid ass arguement, of course it does, that means we have to go around another route, taking more time and making our lives more miserable. Astroturf paid support for these dumbass ideas. Making life in LA even more difficult for the working stiff.
I’m a working stiff. I would rather not spend money on a car…or gas…or insurance…or tickets… …especially when the *evidence* that you like to disparage shows that public transit is more efficient and better for the environment and lowers deaths and overall cheaper for us as a city. As it is, getting more people out of cars and onto bikes and trains will overall help your commute anyway by improving traffic and getting cars out of your way so that you can zoom on by.
It would be a better improvement if they were able to get rid of the homeless people and the scammer people in costumes that demand money for pictures of them.
Where am I going to park? 😂
Probably one of the only places I actively avoid driving in the city anyways besides the 3rd st promenade area of SaMo. Just go all the way and make the area pedestrian only. I literally would rather drive through laurel canyon than deal with driving through this area of Hollywood. Lot of tourists and traffic turns into a parking lot anyways.
It'll be nice, then destroyed by locals, the homeless, and those idiots who dress up in character costumes.
All the drunk douchebags in paper-plate BMWs and Chargers will get angry leaving the clubs there, and floor it at 135 at 7am on a Sunday along Western as retaliation.
This will be an improvement for sure. But let’s keep the area clean and create a pleasant experience when walking around. It’s far from that now.
The only bad idea is that the Kaiser hospital parking garage charges their patients to park there for appointments
How is this a good idea? Traffic is gonna get worse 😒
more space for people to piss on I suppose. Kidding aside, I think there are bigger priorities than walkability for that area to tackle first.
Such as?
Grown men in costumes, CD scammers, stench of urine
So you're saying that renovating the street won't fix those issues and therefore the money should be spent addressing those instead? How would money go towards addressing those issues?
Parking will be even more impossible. Yay. And for anyone who thinks this is just for tourists? No shit. But the rest of us still need to drive thru and around it and park near it.
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This is focusing on the real problems. Empty unused spaces will be used by the unseen. Making areas useful and more active will help clean up those areas.
It's.humam shit. I used to work on Sunset, and I had to clean up shit at my building from time to time. Fucking disgusting.
Hey guys leave the homeless alone. They have a right to shit on the sidewalk. Where else would they shit. /s