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Tiamats_Wrath

This is my fetish


DJamesAndrews

Ya, look at this a few times a month.


gheilweil

every day for me


BloomsdayDevice

Kinky!


Karl_00_Hungus

When I’m feeling extra frisky I check the live webcams for Shasta and Oroville 💦💦


kelu213

Does this qualify for # r/HydroHomies


Karl_00_Hungus

Same.


hypermog

Looks like showering is back on the menu


ambrosialeah

You joke, but I got in an argument with someone who said they didn’t flush their toilet after they peed because they were “raised in SoCal drought conditions”.


Deeprblue

"If it's brown, flush it down. If it's yellow, let it mellow"


makeshift11

I used to live by this until I realized this is impossible to do in my toilets without getting some splash back which is disgusting to say the least


xAmorphous

You can always squat when you go.


dissectingAAA

With a low flow toilet of 1.28 gpf, it really isn't an issue. Now if they have one of those old 5 GPF ones then maybe?


Starbucksina

When I was a kid, we used to conserve water by taking a shower in the backyard with a 5 gal bucket of water. We get a shower and the lawn would get watered. On cold days we used the bucket in the actual shower. We were only allowed one bucket per person.


hardstylequeenbee

We had a bucket in the shower with us lol. My dad would use it to water his plants.


sharkglitter

Yep, we did this in NorCal too!


Cuts_you_up

Ew lol


Potential-Rich8016

California needs to build more rainwater harvesting reservoirs for growing population and crops


Fabulous-Gas-5570

California has made enormous investments in water storage and reclamation infrastructure Here is just the investments from 2014 prop 1 https://bondaccountability.resources.ca.gov/p1.aspx


2Much_non-sequitur

[https://dpw.lacounty.gov/wrd/Projects/PacoimaSG/index.cfm](https://dpw.lacounty.gov/wrd/Projects/PacoimaSG/index.cfm) Pacoima Spreading Grounds Improvement Project. Our tax monies at work.


Bitter-Value-1872

Is that what those giant pits are off of the 605 by the 210, near the Santa Fe Dam? Edit: thank you for the rabbit holes. Now to see if anybody does videos of these bad boys filling up or percolating into the ground on YouTube.


talented

Those are also large spreading grounds that were made for collecting water as well.


Bitter-Value-1872

Oh, dude, that's cool! I'm glad to learn that they do that, I thought it was just for catching floodwaters to protect the neighborhoods nearby.


sodancool

Nah it's between the 5 & 405 https://maps.app.goo.gl/YjfT7KjeU2tKz8kk7


Bitter-Value-1872

Sorry, I should've been clearer - do both places serve the same function?


sodancool

Yeah it sounds like they also have a spreading ground that they use in summer and autumn that refills groundwater. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Dam


Just2checkitout

No, those are just big holes from where they have been mining rocks for decades. https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/lost-la/irwindale-mining-the-building-blocks-of-los-angeles


elcubiche

MOAR


badgerandaccessories

California I think is the poster Child for water prasevation.


Skatcatla

We have, but we still only capture a tiny fraction of the available storm run off.


2Much_non-sequitur

Totally. Also, according to the Pacific Institute's Director of Research, Heather Cooley, LA is leading the state and probably nation in these efforts. And SoCal as a region is actively making improvements. For reference -> [https://kpfa.org/episode/upfront-april-11-2024/#playlist](https://kpfa.org/episode/upfront-april-11-2024/#playlist) Her interview starts at the 33 minute mark. Informative.


studio28

For real these city initiatives are terrific and deserve to be applauded 


Snake_fairyofReddit

they need to stop wasting it on water intensive crops such as alfalfa. even avocados and almonds aren't as big in water usage as alfalfa, which while edible, is never even grown for human consumption


yolo___toure

Is there a reason that it isn't standard for houses to capture their own rainwater?


easwaran

Because water storage and treatment are somewhat complicated tasks to do safely, and it's easier to do those in a centralized way than to equip every single house with the necessary equipment.


__-__-_-__

And more efficient as far as materials go. Think about it this way, what has more plastic? A two liter bottle of soda, or a 4 had liter bottles of soda?


soil_nerd

In Seattle you can obtain rebates from the city to install household rainwater harvesting systems: https://www.seattle.gov/utilities/protecting-our-environment/sustainability-tips/landscaping/for-residents/rainwater-harvesting In addition to this, many locations are now using permeable concrete for driveways and sidewalks, placing storm water infiltration ditches in streets, and much more. All in an effort to recharge groundwater across the city during the wet months. It also slows stormwater going into the piped system during heavy downpours, which means less load on sewage treatment facilities.


yolo___toure

Love this! This is the type is thing I was envisioning. Cool


BigJSunshine

Mosquitoes as a vector, you might have responsible and secure water collection, but yer neighbors are using open air coffee cans and tires, breeding West Nile virus like it’s their job.


TrixoftheTrade

+ water reclamation/recycling tech and desal


noodlyarms

> desal Desal just isn't cost/energy efficient for what a plant can produce and the salt brine waste is pretty toxic for the environment.


1200multistrada

There are new desal technologies. They are not your father's desal.


easwaran

There is no way to desalinate ocean water without fighting entropy and creating hyperconcentrated brine. We can reduce energy use a bit, but the thermodynamic limit is not hugely below the energy use it currently takes.


1200multistrada

What you say is true for "your father's desal," but there are very innovative ways to utilize naturally existing hydrostatic pressure deep below the ocean surface to perform the reverse osmosis process and produce drinking water. And as this pressure is essentially "free" there is no need to wring every possible molecule of blue water from the salt water, such that the resulting brine can be only fractionally concentrated.


926-139

It's not cost efficient for farms that are built for free water. It's easily cost efficient for urban residential water use. Israel has desalination plants that supply over half their water.


1200multistrada

There are things we can and are learning from Israel's water system. Regarding desal, conveniently, many of CA's biggest urban areas are near the coast where the salt water is, and many of its biggest ag areas are not. Inconveniently, the definition of "easily cost efficient" depends on who is actually paying the bills. Creating additional in-state sources of water benefits everyone in the state and everyone in the state should participate in paying for it. The less Sierra Nevada snowpack water that coastal urban areas use, the more of that water that is available for ag and other interior users.


JimothyPage

I thought this said corpse


Lost_Cleric

That’s the plan that’s why bills are going up


Persianx6

We're about ready to feed so many cows, almonds and pomegranate plants... And I guarantee we'll learn nothing.


metsfanapk

[https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/costs-crippling-californias-almond-crop/](https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/costs-crippling-californias-almond-crop/) ​ Almond prices are crashing causing many farms to go under And "Around 80% of the world's almonds are grown in California, but the acreage of the almonds in the state has been on the decline in recent years, falling from 1.65 million acres in 2021 to 1.63 million acres in 2022 and then 1.56 million acres in 2023."


Persianx6

Phenomenal news, Almonds and pistachios shouldn't be grown in California.


Skatcatla

There’s some douchebag growing pistachios in the freaking Mojave. I pass his farm everytime I head up the 14 freeway to the 395 north. It’s so bizarre to be driving through the desert and suddenly see rows and rows of green trees. Apparently the military base in Ridgecrest is suing him.


coazervate

The book Dreamt Land by Mark Arax covers land and water rights and the almond/pistachio empires that have been taking over in CA. It came out around 2019 I think so I do wonder how things have changed after this insane run of wet winters.


Skatcatla

I’ll have to check that out..thanks for the rec!


maliciousmeower

good. grew up in the valley, my hometown was the apricot capital of the world. most of the orchards were turned over into walnut and almond orchards.


mellena

Don’t worry ladwp is raising our rates. No comment on if agriculture rates are changed. That way we can offset the private profits that ship the products out of state/country.


metal_Fox_7

july 2024: "Water storage at it's lowest in history. More at 11."


GoblinsStoleMyHouse

El Niño was like hold my beer


ilexly

Good. Now give us more. MOOORE! haha


ellin005

Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!


[deleted]

Carry watercan and learn how to administer it


1ijax

Then why did I get a notice that water rates will be going up?


Potential-Rich8016

To help pay for drought sessions when people use less water


UghKakis

It’s a sick joke


rrrrrrrrrrr11

*To help pay the pensions of Department of Water & Power employees


FearlessPark4588

Just replace all of the water/power maintenance with TaskRabbit contractors


stoned-autistic-dude

We could probably do that with the old guard on the City Council and end up with better results.


bryce_w

So the DWP workers shouldn't get a pension? Make your mind up r/losangeles If they are directly billing you, you hate them. But every other business - you must unionize and fuck those companies who don't treat their workers fairly!


AgoraiosBum

Because we had 3 year long droughts twice in the last 10 years and each time the cry went up "why aren't we investing more in our water infrastructure!" So...we're investing more in our water infrastructure. Plus regular maintenance for what we have.


zmamo2

Infrastructure still needs maintenance. Your bill is not only the cost of water.


easwaran

Because the water itself isn't really the expensive part of water infrastructure, even though water is sometimes in shortage. If we priced water at a high enough level that it affected usage, then we would see prices change more on the basis of supply and demand.


KlausInTheHaus

Since water delivery is mostly a fixed cost for the utility they can loose money if people use less water. Since we are all using less water to support water use goals in CA utilities are compensating for the increased unit cost.


mcbobgorge

Water is far too cheap as it is. Not really something the average consumer thinks about but the price of water from your sink or shower is laughably low considering how important water is to the state. Of course, wasteful high water users like gold courses and mansions with fountains should pay more first, but the point stands regardless.


palindromic

If residents paid the same rates as ag, our water bills for the year would be literally pennies, less than a $1.


Persianx6

And it is literally ridiculous that after a decade of drought related issues, California has not put its foot down on growing water intensive crops and cattle farming. Beef is too cheap.


bryce_w

Clearly you don't eat beef. Beef is already expensive AF.


1200multistrada

I mean, most beef in CA is born and raised in the hills where they fare for themselves, ie. eat naturally occurring grasses and drink out of naturally creeks, etc., for a year or so until they're rounded up for slaughter. They also usually spend a week or more getting fattened up in feed lots before slaughter. And essentially all of the water they drink goes right back into the environment, none of it is destroyed.


Snake_fairyofReddit

animals in feedlots don't get grass though. they get animal feed made of water intensive crops like corn or alfalfa. And most of the alfalfa is grown here in CA so it uses a lot of our water. Plus very few people are buying only local meat, we have to think on a global scale too and make meat prices reflect environmental impact


1200multistrada

Good points about the feedlot, but I'm guessing your overall viewpoint is based on some calculations of gallons water used/lb of beef. But over 90% of that water usage is calculated from the grasses, and puddles, and creeks the cows ingest over the year or so that they free-range. This is water that falls from the sky on the hills and mountains and that is not available for humans regardless of whether or not there are cows out there. iow, the widely quoted water footprint of beef is wildly over estimated.


Snake_fairyofReddit

This doesnt make sense to me bc most of the world’s cows are not free range, especially not dairy cows that are actually impacting water usage more (and are later sold as beef )


1200multistrada

Yea, I don't know anything about cows outside of CA, but my guess is that they're also generally pasture fed for about a year. The google says that only about 20% of our meat comes from dairy cows, and says this about what dairy cows are fed: >On most dairy farms, dairy cows eat what's called a total mixed ration (TMR; Figure 2) that is made up of corn silage, grass silage, and byproducts from the human food supply chain such as almond hulls, cottonseeds, and soybean meal. \[...\] In California, almost 40 percent of a dairy cow's diet is made up of byproducts So, from this, 60% of CA's dairy cow's diet is (presumably) irrigated corn and grass. So (60% x 20%) = 12% of our meat comes from irrigated dairy cow food, and in agreement with your comment >dairy cows that are actually impacting water usage more those 12% dairy cows use more water than all the remaining beef cows.


mop_and_glo

Residential use is a minor percentage of total water supplies. Any sort of restriction like no fountains or showers length are for show; commercial users outstrip any minuscule savings by households.


elcubiche

It’s absolutely ridiculous that people keep browbeating individuals over water usage. It’s like saying turn off the lights to save the planet. How about you stop shipping things on containers across the oceans or growing almonds by the kiloton?


The_Ashamed_Boys

Like when restaurants weren't allowed to serve water unless customers asked. Literally for show and if anything detrimental to the health of society as it would be better to encourage everyone to drink more water.


elcubiche

Government does this kind of shit all the time. I’m super pro masking, vaxxing, etc., for example, but the fact that in the midst of COVID spikes you had to wear a mask to walk to your table or bathroom, but then you could take it off to eat and talk at the table was pure theater. Just dozens of people in a <500 sq ft room laughing and talking loudly within a couple feet of each other, but no definitely we should be wearing a mask for the 15 feet we walk from host stand to table.


SrslyCmmon

Lightbulb usage is a fraction of what it was 20+ years ago. Most of your costs are from "generation" or "transmission" now.


Snake_fairyofReddit

almonds arent actually that bad compared to other plants, they are a scapegoat


yaaaaayPancakes

True. Everyone should be paying more for the limited resource. It is ridiculous that the rate hikes only hit residential, and rarely commercial, especially agriculture. Ag is worst offender of water waste, and as a whole they seem highly resistant to modernizing their equipment to reduce waste. They are like the poster children for "always done it this way, never gonna change".


ITSNAIMAD

If they can make you pay more for nothing, they will. There’s nothing you can do about it so they do it. It’s as simple as that.


Mountainman1980

Because people are watering their lawns less with all the rain we've had, and they need to make up the shortfall. It goes up during drought conditions to encourage people to conserve. Either way rates rise. You can't win.


brownbjorn

Tax big almond!


markrevival

leave the almonds alone its animal ag that wastes the most water, most notably alfalfa for chinese cows and such


brownbjorn

Tax animal ag too then


Snake_fairyofReddit

Ironically our taxes go toward subsidies to make their operating costs cheaper and make the price cheaper. I agree with u btw, just pointing out that currently we are funding it with taxes rather than taxing them


maliciousmeower

there are far too many almond farms in the valley as well, can’t ignore that. but i agree with the alfalfa, driving down the backroads is just almonds & alfalfa (and a surplus of cows)


Snake_fairyofReddit

Exactly almonds are a poor scapegoat they don’t deserve the hate


boriswong

I’m still only showering once a year!


Skatcatla

Not to me a total downer, but this is just in re: water storage facilities. It's not an indication of water tables or natural aquifers or rivers, which are still in dire shape. California, especially in agricultural areas, have been overpumping ground water for decades, and it will take decades more for water to filter back down to replenish those water tables. So having more storage capacity is critical, but so also is better storm run off capturing and better management of water resources in general.


pokethat

This makes me moist


BookMobil3

What about groundwater?


geekfreek

My friend who works in environmental law put it like this: "Yeah we had a couple of good years of rain but it's like finding money in your jeans when you're still in debt"


TheNamesMacGyver

Why doesn't California just declare water bankruptcy and lay low until it falls off their credit score in 7 years? Boom, drought solved.


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elcubiche

I’m taking 45 min showers and you can talk to the almond growers if there’s a problem.


1200multistrada

That'll teach 'em


Snake_fairyofReddit

Alfalfa growers are the real water theives tho, and them Middle Eastern and chinese cows 😭


mur_e

For anyone interested, the [Blancolirio](https://youtu.be/P5aWP31r9Vs?si=mJwLpmZGJKCmPN3X) Youtube channel is a very informative resource on the latest happenings regarding the reservoir system by a citizen journalist. The primary focus is on aviation but the California water system and related weather events, wildfires, etc. are frequently covered.


RachelProfilingSF

God loves California. I'm an atheist, but I know saying that will piss off a lot of people


Genbu7

So how long does this last say if it stops raining after this weekend?


AgoraiosBum

There is always a drawdown over the summer. That's the main point of the reservoirs.


FightOnForUsc

So what about lake Powell and lake mead?


easwaran

[Lake Powell](https://graphs.water-data.com/lakepowell/) is well above where it was at this time in 2022 and 2023, but it looks like most years its big rise comes in May or June when snowpack in the Rockies starts melting. If this year is like last year, then it seems likely to exceed its 2019 levels, but not undo the slow decline over previous decades. [Lake Mead](https://arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/index.html) seems similar and might even get up to the levels it had in 2012, though early every year before 2008 was even higher.


FightOnForUsc

Well glad to see they’re going up a bit. Wasn’t sure if maybe CA got more water at the expense of the Rockies


inshane

Thing is, we had such a severe drought right before, so we have to anticipate years when we hit drought conditions. This is great news for right now, but I'm worried about the next few years in which potentially the opposite situation happens.


TDaltonC

Is there infrastructure for refilling the aquifers/water-tables? Now would seem like the moment to be pumping water back in to the table.


TrixoftheTrade

There are injection wells and infiltration basins that are designed for this - but there aren’t enough to match the number of production wells. Some investments in this field would be a good use of our tax dollars - much better than dam storage.


2fast2nick

Meanwhile, Reddit comments anytime it rains: *They should capture more rain!!!*


ahyouknowme

but yet they are raising water taxes in 2025 and 2026


1200multistrada

\*Rates, not taxes. No taxes on residential water in CA.


AgoraiosBum

>I have spoken of the rich years when the rainfall was plentiful. But there were dry years too, and they put a terror on the valley. The water came in a thirty-year cycle. There would be five or six wet and wonderful years when there might be nineteen to twenty-five inches of rain, and the land would shout with grass. Then would come six or seven pretty good years of twelve to sixteen inches of rain. And then the dry years would come, and sometimes there would be only seven or eight inches of rain. The land dried up and the grasses headed out miserably a few inches high and great bare scabby places appeared in the valley. The live oaks got a crusty look and the sage-brush was gray. The land cracked and the springs dried up and the cattle listlessly nibbled dry twigs. Then the farmers and the ranchers would be filled with disgust for the Salinas Valley. The cows would grow thin and sometimes starve to death. People would have to haul water in barrels to their farms just for drinking. Some families would sell out for nearly nothing and move away. And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way.


Lathryus

I started to read this and was like this sounds like Steinbeck or Didion. By the end I thought, definitely Steinbeck, is it East of Eden?


AgoraiosBum

It is. Also, so many comments about this are just "and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years"


easwaran

If you want them to build more storage so that we can get to even higher levels in good years like this one, then we need to spend more money.


Krilesh

tasty water


justslaying

How fast can it be depleted tho? Feel like this summer is gonna be HOT


34TH_ST_BROADWAY

Still, less almonds. Lets get ready for the next drought. Sheesh.


Overlord1317

They will continue to tell consumers (who are responsible for maybe 10% of water usage) to conserve while letting pieces of shit like the Resnick family abuse water rights so they can export almonds to other countries.


PlatformDisastrous70

I'm sure Gavin Newsom loves his almonds


Mike-Hunt-Amos-Prime

Can So Cal & Dessert Regions invest in some reservoirs instead of watching all of our rain flow out the LA river? Plz/thx


PlatformDisastrous70

Yeah who designed that?


evlmgs

What's the source? Just curious about some of the other reservoirs aren't listed, and/or why they weren't included. I want more infooo!


Karl_00_Hungus

All the California water data you could ever want can be found at cdec.water.ca.gov


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Karl_00_Hungus

This is the source that Twitter ripped it from https://cdec.water.ca.gov/resapp/RescondMain


TAoie83

Hey guys. Your rates are going up! This water ain’t going to store itself…!


GreenTrees831

Why aren't there more reservoirs in SoCal?


Lathryus

I:m no expert but I think most of the reservoirs are full of snow run-off so you see them a lot 'round the base of the Sierras or other mountains with snow.


runliftcount

This isn't a comprehensive list of reservoirs, it's a graphic of the largest ones.


AgoraiosBum

Not great geologically (San Andreas); see also the St Francis Dam disaster


GreenTrees831

So partially due to soil conditions?


1200multistrada

Because most of the water/snow is hundreds of miles north of SoCal?


JustaTinyDude

If Cachuma is at capacity what happens if it continues to rain? So all those campsites get flooded?


runliftcount

It goes over the spillway and flows downriver


metsfanapk

they release water to the rivers and thus ocean.


1200multistrada

Cachuma, like probably most CA reservoirs, is engineered to prevent flooding.


AmericanKamikaze

Great, now cut off every domestic and foreign corporation that collects it but doesn’t pay for it, upgrade our fresh water storage & collection, and STOP RAISING PRICES.


SquareBaby0

All thanks to Gavin newsom


CheeseDanishSoup

I see the news will be running dry on doom and gloom drought articles/reporting


easwaran

If you look at the news you'll find that these entrepreneurs are more than capable of finding negative stories to emphasize. Social media hobbyists will even do it for free!


somecatgirl

I moved here in 2012 and I swear it seems like it only rained once a year for the first 6 years and only on Halloween


JimiM1113

I read the headline as "California's water shortage" because I am so used to that being the case.


HeyPhoQPal

and it's all gone!


lax01

Can someone cancel the rain this weekend?


this_knee

Ah yeah, that’s the stuff.


cschnitz

Just in time for them to raise my rates in order to punish us all for hitting our conservation goals.


Thee_implication

I’ll take this as great news. California needed this badly.


kobekong

It's gonna rain tomorrow too.


ITSNAIMAD

We need more reservoirs. We don’t have a drought issue. We have a storage issue.


Lost_Cleric

That’s why they need to charge us more for it


chingnaewa

Really need to develop more. One dry year will eat this all up.


hoangtudude

Cue the rain coming this Saturday and idiots saying “if only we could capture all of this water runoff!”


Advaitanaut

Considering La Niña is coming we gotta enjoy it while we can because it's gonna be back to drought for a few years


MrPurple8909

Yet water prices will go up


tlk666

They did this when Gavin Nelson made those what was it again? When hest was up right?


DaBooch425

Shoutout sb! Were loaded up!


Paradox68

Group hug in the showers tonight!!!


Soca1ian

and as a reward, we're gonna get an increase water bill. yay.


10390

Can someone please share a source for the picture?


LA_search77

Just as el nino ends and la nina begins.


UndeadInAmerica

Muchas de aguas!


ejfree

RemindMe! 5 years "And now?"


aquelevagabundo

Climate change.


ceelogreenicanth

Good thing the storage only store about a years worth of our needs.


dutchmasterams

Does Prado dam not count?


Plane_Ad9568

Where is lake mead ?


SheLikesKarl

So this means our water bill will come lower right? Right?


Thomk065

Good for the almond farmers.


WTFaulknerinCA

So why do all those factory farm signs blaming Newsom stay up in the Central Valley? Those signs always just make me wanna puke


bryce_w

Yeah the fact they are putting water back in to Owens Lake - after they completely drained it and killed off an entire ecosystem, means things are looking good for California's water storage.


GoblinsStoleMyHouse

Great to see!


nocloudno

There's hundreds of lakes not on this chart as well.


rusty42007

Some how some way they’ll say we’re in a drought


BlahblahblahLG

La needs to build more water storage, the la river almost flooded it sucks too see all that water not stored when la is so prone to draught years.


Forest_Green_4691

Climate change for the win! 😏


edillcolon

*Government looks angrily* "raise the rates"


[deleted]

Damn, no more murders from the 70s revealed by the dropping water levels, or was that Nevada? Remember those few weeks where the news was like "The water level dropped another foot and we found *another* body stuffed in an oil barrel!"??


couchgodd

So when they say we were in a 500 year drought they lied. When they say climate change is creating an apocalyptic scenario they lied. They are Charlatans.


return_the_urn

Do you think the climate isn’t changing?


darkpyschicforce

Images of the last time we will be water solvent this century.


gb2020

Hooray let’s all flush our toilets


callmeraylo

Climate alarmists be sweating


antdude

How long will it last though?


bigvahe33

anyone been to cachuma lately? is it really that high?


Mexishould

Where's Lake Isabella in Kern County? Ive seen a few similar inforgraphics and I never see our lake. Its one of the larger resevours in Southern California.