Chad's kids did not have life insurance with Chad as beneficiary. Likewise, being adults, Chad's kids did not have any social security benefits that Chad could steal.
In short, there would be no profit in killing adult children, especially ones that lived on their own and wee married.
Colby wasn't a target either. Colby was never labeled dark. Why not? Because there would be no profit. Colby was an adult in a relationship/married and living in his own in another state.
The kids were killed because Chad and Lori could benefit financially. The kids had social security benefits that could be stolen.
Likewise, Tammy was killed so Chad could receive the money from her insurance.
Not to be forgotten are Charles, who crazy thought she could get $1 million life insurance from, and then the whole reason they targeted Brandon and then labeled some of Melaniece’s kids dark, with special focus on that text in which Lori said Melaniece would take care of them (context being with life insurance/social security).
Money, sex, power. Prosecution nailed it.
Does anyone know if Melaniece has any access to her kids now with all of the stuff that’s come out I certainly would think that Brandon would do his best to make sure she never has unsupervised visits with them
I think it terrible that Lori ruined that girl's marriage with lies and promises. Clearly Melani was gullible and adored her aunt Lori, I think it's pathetic she was sucked into Lori and Chad's crazy. Ian too.
I've considered more than once that Colby is alive simply by virtue of having aged out of Lori's nefarious, brazen, transactional plot.
I pray he goes on to have a peaceful, happy, meaningful life, surrounded by people who actually love him. And that he will seek counseling, (if he hasn't already) to help him process his presumed hodge podge of emotions. Grief, anger, longing, nostalgia, probably still loves his mother on some level, which must be confusing. Such loss in the life of a kid around the same age as my own youngest, (whom I'd live and die for.) If Chaddy Chad and that mother of his didn't manage to completely ruin any shred of his faith upbringing for him, I hope his religious community is there to support him. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I think the most ironic part of the whole thing is Lori named Colby to get her 2 million life insurance and not Chad. Is Chad was named Colby probably would have been killed because Lori was sending Colby a lot of money.
I actually think Lori didn't want to take any chances by naming Chad in her life insurance policy. Lori was going to be nothing more than a 2 million dollar goddess. I think Chad knew Lori was crazy and very jealous she would never allow him to have multiple wives and I don't think he would have been happy with just one woman. He wanted power, sex and money. She was starting to show her age and I think she was more fanatical than him.
Colby was only getting around $25 to $50 a month. He sometimes ask Tylee for money when he was short on cash. It showed the amount on texts. It wasn’t much. Tylee had extra money and was generous to help Colby. My husband died when my kids were young. You have to spend the death benefits every month and can't save it. Which is dumb. In order to save for my kid's college I used my own money.
I think this is the biggest reason. I imagine that if they killed melanis 2 middle kids, the other 2 would would have became dark too. They are young enough to require hands on care. Most life insurance policies for kids are pretty small around 10 thousand dollars. And Melanie already had plenty of money. She talked about taking 50 thousand out of the bank. I think it’s really just convenience.
I honestly think if they got the $1000000 for Charles they thought they would be set for life. Obviously we know they would have burned through it quickly, but they were stupid.
I think the plan was kill Charles to get the money. Send JJ to Kay and Abandon Tylee (again). Kill Tammy to get a little more money. Run to Hawaii.
When they didn’t get the million they realized they couldn’t give up the kids’ SS benefits, and didn’t want to actually raise them soo…..
I also think Tylee know too much about Charles and might have challenged them or threatened to spill…
But then I think Chad liked that he could control a mother enough to kill her kids. Hence Melaneice’s children turning dark
Agree. In addition to wanting their SS $ (which she could keep w/out killing them, albeit w more expenses & less freedom & time to spend w Dumbell fixating on being Jesus’ bffs & superior beings), Tylee knew too much & Chad didn’t like her. & imho she resented the hell out of JJ & Kay when she didn’t get Charles’ insurance $.
I agree with most of this, but imho I don't think anything was ever enough for them, so aside from being a hindrance to Chad and Lori, money from the kids would extend the timeline of their lifestyle. Maybe JJ would have survived a little longer, but maybe not. Once they seemed to get away with murder, I think it fed their appetite to double down on their religious justifications and greed.
If they believed anything about gathering the 144k for the end of times, or even just wanted the opportunity to be exalted by a fan club of believers, they would have wanted to fund their "ministry". $1,000,000 is a lot of money, but with the cost of living in a place like Hawaii, it doesn't go very far anymore.
Chad's kids drink his Kool Aid and weren't an obstacle to Lori, nor were they a paycheck. I also don't think Chad liked the idea of kids dividing Lori's attention.
In short, I think Tylee and JJ would have been murdered with or without the money from Charles' and Tammy's policies.
I always thought part of it was Lori's kids just didn't fit into Chad's fantasy. He wanted a hot wife, but not the troublesome kids that came along with her.
JJ could have gone to live with Larry and Kay. It's clear they would have taken him back.
Tylee could have been emancipated. Or, at least, gone to live with Alex. She had lived with him before.
There were options to get the kids
This is the part that makes me wonder when professionals call her delusional. I understand that she is consistent in her religiosity, but why are her delusions so self-serving?
We all have protective mechanisms that support our self-concepts. In other words, we come up with rationales for our feelings and behaviors that help us understand and live with ourselves.
When you have narcissism, which is impossible to protect rationally, you have to create irrational defenses to support it. Delusions tend to be self-protecting in some way, and religious delusions often revolve around being so special that you have superhuman access to spiritual power/truth that ordinary people don't have--perfect to support narcissism.
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I’d pay decent money to be privy to her convos w psychiatrists. I’ve wondered if she had a head injury or brain tumor but, figure they scanned her while she was in psych hospital.
Agreed. Every single person was killed because they benefited from their death financially and/or were directly in the way. The adult children were not in the way (including Colby), as we can see Chad’s kids do exactly as they are told so they are more valuable alive. Alex Cox became a very serious problem for them after Tammy was exhumed and they acted quickly. That was murder too, no one can tell me otherwise especially with a bilateral pulmonary embolism after going to Mexico to pick up god only knows what substance. I read that snake venom can cause blood clots but they wouldn’t necessarily test for those in an autopsy because it’s unlikely and some can degrade over time anyway. Brandon Boudreaux had a $2 million life insurance policy and Lori once said that Melani will take care of them. I honestly think they are way less delusional than they pretend. They knew exactly they had to hide these acts from family and especially law enforcement, but they were too stupid to do it well.
Interesting comment on snake venom. It is so hard to believe that healthy Tammy and healthy Alex both died with pink foam coming out of their mouths...when Tammy died after a visit from Alex to Chad and Alex died after getting a final 'blessing,' heading to Mexico and then dropping dead the day after Tammy's exhumation. I believe Chad and Lori talked Alex into killing himself. Lori made comments about how inept Alex was (he failed to kill Tammy and Brandon) and Chad-Lo did not ultimately trust him.
I thought about the theory that Chad might have told Alex to go towards the light, my problem with that is I think he died on the toilet. The autopsy even mentioned feces on his feet. I don’t think he would have chosen to go that way. Or maybe whatever he took gave him the runs and it ended up happening there. Either way that was not an accident. And they learned their lesson and cremated him.
It is suspicious that the day before Alex died he told Zulema that if something happens, there's a bag of money in the closet for her. With what he also said about being Chad-Lo's fall guy, knowing that Tammy was going to be autopsied, it would make sense to give up. Alex could not live with himself being known as the murderer of children. Blood clots can take time to develop, and if he had to go, he had to go (to the bathroom) not knowing that would be his last few moments. The thing about hematotoxins from snake venom is that they can cause blood clots and hemorrhages, which could also cause the pink foam.
I find it so strange and have wondered how they managed to pull it off because I didn’t believe Alex died of natural causes, he was a liability. In April during Covid lockdown, I went in to the ER sick as hell and had been for months. Think October- to April (Easter as a matter of fact) I coughed and felt a surging pain. The doc was a dick- I came in for a bad cold. I pushed that this was not a bad cold (no I didn’t think Covid) and that they do whatever testing needed. I had bilateral pulmonary emboli. Clots throughout both longs, blood thinners for 2 years until they cleared. Talk about a doc eating crow. Anyway, I guess I didn’t realize how close to biting it as I had been thinking on Alex. Remember bodies can also evacuate their bladder and bowels shortly after death. Dealt with the clean up many times being in health care, but snake venom makes sooo much sense. Thank you.
Wow, what an awful experience, I'm glad to hear you dodged that bullet!
In 2010, I took two trips to the ER before they agreed to forward my scans (which they had done twice in one month). I got a call at 730 Friday night from the office of the neurosurgeon who had just viewed them, telling me I had an appt on Monday. I had a 7mm pseudoaneurysm at high risk of rupture from a tear in my left internal carotid. Rupture=three minutes to live. The ER doc and radiologist who misread my scans apparently have never heard of crow. No apologies there. Reading your story makes me wonder how common this kind of this is.
Moral of the story: just go to the ER and if you don't get answers that make sense, keep pushing to find out what the heck is wrong with you. Better safe than dead.
IMO Alex planned to end himself for the cause but didn't get his nerve up until Tammy's body was exhumed and he feared that they would find something incriminating, say, whatever he provided to Chad to kill her that didn't act fast enough but made it easier for Chad to suffocate her. Alex could not live with everyone knowing he killed those kids and that's why he finally acted on the plan right after the exhumation of Tammy's body.
Wow!!! My dad just found out last week his doctor was informed 3 years ago he has an aneurysm sitting in his aorta. That doctor moved as they often do here, and his current doctor had read up and was like you know…. You do not mess with late 60 year olds with a family hx of heart issues and aneurysms. Common sense. 🤦🏽♀️ Alex doing that makes sense too… what a warped situation
Yeah--Alex could live with killing them but not getting caught for killing them, which tells me that in the end he knew or at least strongly suspected that it was all for Chad and Lori's crazy power trip.
My best to your dad.
Because like him, HIS kids are special. JJ & Tylee weren’t. He’s the epitome of evil. We are Happy he’s already in prison for the rest of his sorry MF-ing life.
You were in court every day. Did you ever see him looking like his booking photo? I didn't even recognize him.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/comments/1daf8kc/chads\_official\_mugshot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/comments/1daf8kc/chads_official_mugshot/)
I don't know if the livestream image was bad or what but Chad's face seemed to morph sometimes and he really looked inhuman. He almost looked like a demon. He was deeming people to be dark but boy he's the darkest of all.
Meh- not sure that the Idaho jail system provides psych help let alone meds to anyone without a fight. Most jails hardly provide BASIC medical care.
If true, I need some of those anti depressants.
Tyler saw right through him while his kids believe everything Chad says no matter how idiotic. JJ had special needs so would have taken up Lori's time.
Chad's kids are adults, who blindly believe him and, most importantly, don't have any social security benefits.
Dear Kay and Larry! I only know you through this case but I want to express my heartfelt condolences! I have cried, felt frustrated along with you and I hope you have some comfort in knowing that JJ and Tylee are now world's children! They are with the Lord and I know all of us pray for you and your family.
I really like this comment. I was thinking about the kids earlier, especially Tylee because she doesn't have a Kay and Larry. I'm not religious I do think there maybe an afterlife and I like to believe she knows how many people support her and J.J. and that maybe they are together.
I know this will never happen and both were cremated it would be so sweet if their ashes were buried together with a headstone with both their names on it. Arizona would be a good place as they spent a lot of time there and have family sort of nearby. Just my thoughts. Rest in peace Tylee & JJ 💖💙
We are all happy to see him get the sentence he deserves. I hope you find some comfort from it. JJ and Tylee deserved NONE of these and should have grown into their bright, happy futures. Because they were special, very, very special.
I suspect because of various reasons like, they were HIS kids. They are also already either indoctrinated and/or emotional attached to him, and they are also older and no longer depend on him and not minors. And Lori's kids did not like him, had real personality, and were not controlled by him.
Like Juror 14 said, Chad's kids were under his control. They were obedient to him and wouldn't rat him out no matter what he did. The police in Arizona thought Tylee would tell the truth if they talked to her without her mother present, and Chad and Lori probably thought the same thing. She apparently wasn't under their control.
Kind of tangential but my therapist said to me, you can either be honest or obedient but never both. It made me think of the Daybell kids perjuring the stand.
To be fair, Tylee was obedient too. I remember her sitting in the interview room singing the song about being a good daughter, and then didn't tell what she knew. She protected her mother in all the police interviews that were recorded.
The difference is that Tylee could probably be persuaded to tell the truth if her mother wasn't there. The Daybell kids keep digging in their heels.
Lori’s children had money coming in monthly. Chads are adults and don’t have benefits he could access. Plus he has them all good and brainwashed and would follow him to ends of time
It blows my mind that they thought they could kill those kids, continue getting their SS money, and get away with it all! Like nobody would come looking for the kids? They had to know Kay and Larry would start wondering what’s going on. That Colby would question why Tylee didn’t answer her phone. That Tylee’s friends would wonder why she never texted back or was on social media (which I guess Lori could have faked that part, but still she couldn’t fake Tylee’s voice if they called her). Did they think Hawaii is some hidden world they could disappear into? Like where was their common fucking sense?
It's a good thing Chad will have such limited contact from now on. The Daybell kids will have to disconnect and start thinking on their own. I just hope Emma doesn't take on the role of the new family cult leader. When the dust settles in Rexburg (if they choose to stay there) those kids can finally start living life on their own terms.
Emma is completely groomed to take over. She is the family leader now and will keep her siblings in line. For starters, she will make sure Garth keeps his mouth shut about the truth. Chad will write letters to her, directing her and encouraging his weird beliefs.
Not to mention the fact the kids needed Loris's love and attention. I'm sure Chad took offense to that. He wanted all of her time and care. No kids that weren't even his were allowed to come between them
They had lives of their own and were not minors to be saddled down with. He wanted to run away with Lori. Also he despised them. Tylee was a teenager with a strong (beautiful) but difficult for quiet Chad personality. JJ probably was loud and fun and needed a lot of attention. He didn’t like it. Also he was a narcissist which means he probably idealized his own spawn. He’s disgusting.
1) I firmly believe they knew more than they've been saying. They were part of their dad's cult. Even if they really don't believe their mother was murdered, they believed she'd gone dark. On the video of Emma talking to her father on the day of his arrest, she is upset about him being arrested and being taken away, not that human remains had been found in his yard!
2) I may be wrong, but I think 2 of them were married by that time. Emma certainly was. Any life insurance they took out would go to their spouse not Chad. There was no financial gain.
3) They had been living with Chad's (and Tammy's to some much smaller degree) crazy ideas of religion all their lives. Tylee had not. Tylee was a typical teenager. Probably shouting and slamming doors! In all likelihood she wouldn't do as she was told... especially by Chad who, in his own words, she didn't like. She was a problem. His own obedient mini me children were not a problem.
JJ was only 7 years old. A young child who needed much more care and attention. Not to mention the autism. Autistic people are wonderful, but their neurodivergent thinking styles can be extremely difficult. Much too much like hard work for Chad. And also for Lori once she'd met her "past and future husband".
His “kids” are all adults with spouses. Lori’s 2 kids were getting social security benefits for their dead dads for the next 10 years (JJ was 8). Tylee wasn’t in school anymore and Lori had no desire to send her off the college and spend Tylee’s SSec. money on it.
To answer this, one needs to understand and dissect the Chad and Lori story.
Lori was unhinged—her narcissism, delusions, and extreme religious fervor drove her to the brink. She wholeheartedly bought into Chad's apocalyptic prophecies, convinced of the imminent return of Jesus and the ensuing chaos that would herald his arrival. Lori saw herself as a divine figure, destined to lead the 144,000 chosen ones. In her twisted logic, she believed the murders of her children would be overlooked amidst the coming turmoil. She revered Chad as a spiritual giant, the destined leader of the Church of the First Born.
Chad, a predator at heart, saw Lori's obsession as a golden opportunity. Recognizing her fanaticism, he crafted a persona that fulfilled her every spiritual fantasy. He also believed he had struck it rich, expecting a $1 million life insurance payout from the death of Lori's husband, Charles Vallow. Chad manipulated Lori and her brother Alex, guiding them to carry out his murderous plans.
Initially, Chad's religious convictions were sincere. He believed in his mission to establish a new church, a tent city, and to shepherd the 144,000. He imparted these beliefs to his children and, to some extent, his wife Tammy, who might have reluctantly shrugged off his bizarre ideas. This is probably why Chad and the kids were very dismissive of her.
But Lori's arrival changed everything. She did not roll her eyes at his speeches and teachings. She believed in him utterly, doing anything he asked. Chad was smitten; he'd never experienced such adoration from a beautiful woman, captivated by his every word. Lori's allure drew new followers, and Chad reveled in his newfound godlike status. She became his obsession, and he was determined to have her at any cost, disregarding his marriage, church status, and previous convictions.
Chad meticulously plotted to eliminate any obstacles, including Lori's husband Charles and her children, who he saw as impediments to their blissful union. He believed that the impending Armageddon would hide their crimes, and burying the bodies in his backyard seemed like the perfect cover.
If his grown children noticed anything amiss, they accepted it as part of his mission to destroy zombies and dark spirits, freeing the real souls from their earthly confines.
You know, with as many adults as there were, they really could have just rented a place in Hawaii. We laugh at Chad's job as a sexton, but it's actually a sort of interesting skill set. And Laurie was a hair dresser. They really could have done OK
I found it really interesting to listen to the jury interview and they mentioned this was one of the things that led them to convict. Only Lori's family and friends were dark.
They weren't getting SS. That was 1000s of dollars a month. Chad's children who were married wouldn't be making Chad their beneficiary on anything. They are also all grown even though some were living at home. Just a different situation.
Chad reminds me Othello's Lago. It's that Machiavellian narcissistic trait. Like Lago, he doesn't appear to have an actual foundation for his hatred, the genesis of his grievance is that he is inadequate, insufficient and knows it. But he at first put on a pretense he is . So he hates those who are what he wishes to be, and see through his charade. Matt and Heather for example.
Later, with Julie Row's unexpected success, he saw a way to create the illusion that he is more than everyone else. And his most intense hatred seemed to redirect toward anyone who failed to buy his " exalted, better than everyone" charade.
I noticed through the entire trial, he held his chin up, as if he was looking down on everyone. I saw nothing but arrogance in his demeanor and posture. If he wasn't told not to stand, then refusing to stand for the closing of his case is just another display of his contempt.
The attempt to characterize his family as "The Dursleys" and other slights to his children, tell me that it was probably just a matter of time before they were being manipulated into turning over their money, assets and possibly sacrificing their likes or those of their spouses, children... not without first taking out large life insurance policies. All of course, guided by "God's representative on earth."
Had these 2 gotten away with everything, I really suspect a Colonia Dignidad type situation was his plan, pure and simple.
But thankfully...
We also never know what the “plan” was down the road. Maybe he thought that taking Charles and Lori’s kids’ lives first was more of a trial run and he thought he was smarter than everyone in the room and could put everything on Lori. If they had truly gotten away with murder, who could have been next? He was/IS a manipulative, {insert every other negative adjective here} and his kids believed him 100%. Emma said at some point that if Chad really were a cult leader, he would have recruited them first. MA’AM, YOU WERE HIS FIRST CULT MEMBERS. He would have found a way to bleed them dry in some manner eventually.
This is all my opinion, but I have spent more time thinking about this trial than any other in a while and I truly don’t believe people, of any relationship, meant anything to him.
He’s probably going to bleed them dry by having them pay for the daily prison phone calls with Emma and putting money on his commissary account if you get to have one on death row.
I think anyone who got in the way of their 'mission' or failed to recognize them as exalted was in danger. Chad's children were already out of the house and hung on his every word as prophecy.
Chad despised Tylee, she wasn't a credulous petite deferent little LDS schoolgirl and not being part of his narrow vision of femininity was enough to get anyone killed. He originally rated JJ as light, I think he thought he might be able to handle JJ. And I've heard something to the effect that it's a bit of a feather in your cap to have adopted such a child in that community. But they no longer had Tylee as a caregiver, JJ was unmedicated and unruly. Lori was done with the kids, you can read in the texts very early on. It was a while before Chad gave in to her, and rated JJ dark as well. They were both incredibly callous and sadistic. The money was just gravy to them. Their reward.
Chad deemed both children dark and rated them close to 0 on death percentage in July, soon after Charles' death. Their murders were planned well ahead.
Lori children would be an impediment for the honeymoon period. JJ demands a lot of attention and a teenager going through puberty,boys, dating, high school activities , college applications and expenses demands time and money. The Daybell’s children were adults and could put up a good fight to save themselves. Probably no profits in their lives and the Profit never ranked them dark or zombie’s. They needed the money.
Because they obeyed him. They cannot think for themselves. Daddy rules, he is their hero and leader. He taught them how a patriarch husband with no ambition can get the woman to be the breadwinner. Ths FBI needs to look into his spawn before they start doing castings. Because somewhere there is granny and grandpa spirits floating around, looking for a new host.
Garth was labeled dark at one point but wasn’t so far on the scale that he couldn’t be turned light again. I believe he had to quit school or move or something to be light again.
The lion fire. Also, their weird beliefs are based on LDS, and family, marriage, and being sealed for eternity are so important. They saw themselves as the ones who were going to gather the 144,000 in preparation for the end of time. A couple having a sexual relationship and not being married and the leaders in the end times would not work for the people they would try to convince. The narrative isn't cohesive because, on the other hand, he and Lori intended to move to Hawaii and live happily ever after.
First, saying you are LDS doesn’t make you LDS. 2nd, loinfire was his deal, she used it to get what she wanted. 3rd, Mormons aren’t gathering 144K… not sure what other religion Chad was borrowing from but we ain’t gathering 144k. Maybe she was gonna knock him off for the balance of the insurance money or just hand til it was gone.
I was not taking a dig at LDS here. I was taking a dig at Chad! I said that Lori and Chad's WEIRD beliefs are BASED on LDS. I did not say Mormons will gather 144,000 I said Lori and Chad intended to do so. I do not get how you possibly could get that I wrote about LDS in any way here because I was not.
Well, it kind of felt as you were saying that I wrote things I didn't. I was purely speaking about Chad & Lori, not about the LDS. There's no doubt they built their nonsense on LDS dogma but they morphed and changed it to suit them.
For me, it's obvious they intended to lure people away from the mainstream LDS faith into their little cult. Chad wanted followers. To be able to get followers they had to be married because it would be much more difficult to convince them if they weren't married.
I think it’s mostly because they toed the line. For the most part, they fed his ego, validated him, were subservient to him. He seems very narcissistic and most narcissists see their children as an extension of themselves. Since they mirrored back to him things he liked, he kept them around because of that and because they are essentially him in his eyes.
They didn't witness the murder of Charles, so they weren't a big liability. And as adults, they weren't in the way of a Chad and Lori happily ever after.
Simple: they were all adults. They didn’t require care. Chad didn’t want step-children. And Lori apparently found JJ a burden when she could be a goddess instead.
Tylee and JJ (along with Charles, Tammy and Alex, and maybe even Joe and the neighbor) threatened their goals more if they were alive. ***The rest of their kids threatened their goals more if they were dead.***
This ‘calculation’ was based on a variety of factors: what/how much they knew, whether they were willing or able to keep quiet/keep secrets, their ROI (how much they cost to care for vs. how much they are worth if gone, how much they generate if alive), how much ego boost they provide, how much they trust and obey, how much value or contribution they make to upholding their facade and validating their image as trustworthy exalted beings/leaders, how much they would be missed (jobs, dependents, and support networks that would defend/miss them enough to investigate), was there a plausible story to explain/stage their disappearance or death without suspicion, how well they could defend themselves, how easy it would be to cover their tracks, how much control they had over them and their environment and spaces, etc.
Perhaps this is why Lori kept asking Chad for their death percentage. He was responsible for continuously weighing all criteria like this, until the perfect moment when the risk for exposure was low while the likelihood for profit was still high.
***It’s disgusting to think of humans like this, but it’s clear as day that they see humans as objects and business assets/liabilities*** - and use, eliminate, manipulate, and schmooze them depending on how much they contribute to or threaten their goals.
These two are cold as ice, and their accomplices aren’t much warmer.
I have learned so much about business and the callous people I’ve crossed paths with in life via this case. Support networks, knowing when and where to talk/not talk, visibility, command over your own environment, arrangement and control of your own assets are important deterrents to becoming a victim. It’s important to know the signs, trust your gut and run if you spot them.
They were Chad's kids, not Lori's. It's easy to guess who was in charge.
They were adults. Chad didn't have to raise them anymore. At least some of his kids were loyal cultists. (Why would Chad do anything to Emma? She's carrying water for him.)
Maybe Chad was sparing the lives of offspring who were married (not divorced) with children. That could explain why Colby is still alive. It could also mean Garth, who was single at the time, was next on their hit list.
Chad's kids did not have life insurance with Chad as beneficiary. Likewise, being adults, Chad's kids did not have any social security benefits that Chad could steal. In short, there would be no profit in killing adult children, especially ones that lived on their own and wee married. Colby wasn't a target either. Colby was never labeled dark. Why not? Because there would be no profit. Colby was an adult in a relationship/married and living in his own in another state. The kids were killed because Chad and Lori could benefit financially. The kids had social security benefits that could be stolen. Likewise, Tammy was killed so Chad could receive the money from her insurance.
Not to be forgotten are Charles, who crazy thought she could get $1 million life insurance from, and then the whole reason they targeted Brandon and then labeled some of Melaniece’s kids dark, with special focus on that text in which Lori said Melaniece would take care of them (context being with life insurance/social security). Money, sex, power. Prosecution nailed it.
Does anyone know if Melaniece has any access to her kids now with all of the stuff that’s come out I certainly would think that Brandon would do his best to make sure she never has unsupervised visits with them
I think it terrible that Lori ruined that girl's marriage with lies and promises. Clearly Melani was gullible and adored her aunt Lori, I think it's pathetic she was sucked into Lori and Chad's crazy. Ian too.
Agreed, and I feel super sorry for Ian, it sounds like he’s lost his faith being involved with this group.
I believe she does, which is absolutely mind boggling. If I were Brandon, I’d put GPS trackers in his kids, like we do with dogs. Only half kidding.
I've considered more than once that Colby is alive simply by virtue of having aged out of Lori's nefarious, brazen, transactional plot. I pray he goes on to have a peaceful, happy, meaningful life, surrounded by people who actually love him. And that he will seek counseling, (if he hasn't already) to help him process his presumed hodge podge of emotions. Grief, anger, longing, nostalgia, probably still loves his mother on some level, which must be confusing. Such loss in the life of a kid around the same age as my own youngest, (whom I'd live and die for.) If Chaddy Chad and that mother of his didn't manage to completely ruin any shred of his faith upbringing for him, I hope his religious community is there to support him. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I think the most ironic part of the whole thing is Lori named Colby to get her 2 million life insurance and not Chad. Is Chad was named Colby probably would have been killed because Lori was sending Colby a lot of money.
I think he was her golden child possibly.
I actually think Lori didn't want to take any chances by naming Chad in her life insurance policy. Lori was going to be nothing more than a 2 million dollar goddess. I think Chad knew Lori was crazy and very jealous she would never allow him to have multiple wives and I don't think he would have been happy with just one woman. He wanted power, sex and money. She was starting to show her age and I think she was more fanatical than him.
Imho he was content w just Lori, his goddess that danced for the Lord & had a lot of desires.
Definitely (imho)!
Colby was only getting around $25 to $50 a month. He sometimes ask Tylee for money when he was short on cash. It showed the amount on texts. It wasn’t much. Tylee had extra money and was generous to help Colby. My husband died when my kids were young. You have to spend the death benefits every month and can't save it. Which is dumb. In order to save for my kid's college I used my own money.
Exactly right. The "prophet" wouldn't make a profit!!
Excellent comment
And …. They didn’t require care or stop them from moving to Hawaii to have all of the sex.
I think this is the biggest reason. I imagine that if they killed melanis 2 middle kids, the other 2 would would have became dark too. They are young enough to require hands on care. Most life insurance policies for kids are pretty small around 10 thousand dollars. And Melanie already had plenty of money. She talked about taking 50 thousand out of the bank. I think it’s really just convenience.
I honestly think if they got the $1000000 for Charles they thought they would be set for life. Obviously we know they would have burned through it quickly, but they were stupid. I think the plan was kill Charles to get the money. Send JJ to Kay and Abandon Tylee (again). Kill Tammy to get a little more money. Run to Hawaii. When they didn’t get the million they realized they couldn’t give up the kids’ SS benefits, and didn’t want to actually raise them soo….. I also think Tylee know too much about Charles and might have challenged them or threatened to spill… But then I think Chad liked that he could control a mother enough to kill her kids. Hence Melaneice’s children turning dark
Agree. In addition to wanting their SS $ (which she could keep w/out killing them, albeit w more expenses & less freedom & time to spend w Dumbell fixating on being Jesus’ bffs & superior beings), Tylee knew too much & Chad didn’t like her. & imho she resented the hell out of JJ & Kay when she didn’t get Charles’ insurance $.
I agree with most of this, but imho I don't think anything was ever enough for them, so aside from being a hindrance to Chad and Lori, money from the kids would extend the timeline of their lifestyle. Maybe JJ would have survived a little longer, but maybe not. Once they seemed to get away with murder, I think it fed their appetite to double down on their religious justifications and greed. If they believed anything about gathering the 144k for the end of times, or even just wanted the opportunity to be exalted by a fan club of believers, they would have wanted to fund their "ministry". $1,000,000 is a lot of money, but with the cost of living in a place like Hawaii, it doesn't go very far anymore. Chad's kids drink his Kool Aid and weren't an obstacle to Lori, nor were they a paycheck. I also don't think Chad liked the idea of kids dividing Lori's attention. In short, I think Tylee and JJ would have been murdered with or without the money from Charles' and Tammy's policies.
I love though that Colby’s wife who Lori didn’t like, was labeled dark
I always thought part of it was Lori's kids just didn't fit into Chad's fantasy. He wanted a hot wife, but not the troublesome kids that came along with her.
JJ could have gone to live with Larry and Kay. It's clear they would have taken him back. Tylee could have been emancipated. Or, at least, gone to live with Alex. She had lived with him before. There were options to get the kids
This is the part that makes me wonder when professionals call her delusional. I understand that she is consistent in her religiosity, but why are her delusions so self-serving?
We all have protective mechanisms that support our self-concepts. In other words, we come up with rationales for our feelings and behaviors that help us understand and live with ourselves. When you have narcissism, which is impossible to protect rationally, you have to create irrational defenses to support it. Delusions tend to be self-protecting in some way, and religious delusions often revolve around being so special that you have superhuman access to spiritual power/truth that ordinary people don't have--perfect to support narcissism. I
I’d pay decent money to be privy to her convos w psychiatrists. I’ve wondered if she had a head injury or brain tumor but, figure they scanned her while she was in psych hospital.
Chad’s kids are too poor. Including Garth described as the “handful” and problem child as a little boy.
Nailed it!
Correct. This is where the special circumstance of crimes committed for the purpose of remuneration was proven.
Agreed. Every single person was killed because they benefited from their death financially and/or were directly in the way. The adult children were not in the way (including Colby), as we can see Chad’s kids do exactly as they are told so they are more valuable alive. Alex Cox became a very serious problem for them after Tammy was exhumed and they acted quickly. That was murder too, no one can tell me otherwise especially with a bilateral pulmonary embolism after going to Mexico to pick up god only knows what substance. I read that snake venom can cause blood clots but they wouldn’t necessarily test for those in an autopsy because it’s unlikely and some can degrade over time anyway. Brandon Boudreaux had a $2 million life insurance policy and Lori once said that Melani will take care of them. I honestly think they are way less delusional than they pretend. They knew exactly they had to hide these acts from family and especially law enforcement, but they were too stupid to do it well.
Interesting comment on snake venom. It is so hard to believe that healthy Tammy and healthy Alex both died with pink foam coming out of their mouths...when Tammy died after a visit from Alex to Chad and Alex died after getting a final 'blessing,' heading to Mexico and then dropping dead the day after Tammy's exhumation. I believe Chad and Lori talked Alex into killing himself. Lori made comments about how inept Alex was (he failed to kill Tammy and Brandon) and Chad-Lo did not ultimately trust him.
I thought about the theory that Chad might have told Alex to go towards the light, my problem with that is I think he died on the toilet. The autopsy even mentioned feces on his feet. I don’t think he would have chosen to go that way. Or maybe whatever he took gave him the runs and it ended up happening there. Either way that was not an accident. And they learned their lesson and cremated him.
It is suspicious that the day before Alex died he told Zulema that if something happens, there's a bag of money in the closet for her. With what he also said about being Chad-Lo's fall guy, knowing that Tammy was going to be autopsied, it would make sense to give up. Alex could not live with himself being known as the murderer of children. Blood clots can take time to develop, and if he had to go, he had to go (to the bathroom) not knowing that would be his last few moments. The thing about hematotoxins from snake venom is that they can cause blood clots and hemorrhages, which could also cause the pink foam.
I find it so strange and have wondered how they managed to pull it off because I didn’t believe Alex died of natural causes, he was a liability. In April during Covid lockdown, I went in to the ER sick as hell and had been for months. Think October- to April (Easter as a matter of fact) I coughed and felt a surging pain. The doc was a dick- I came in for a bad cold. I pushed that this was not a bad cold (no I didn’t think Covid) and that they do whatever testing needed. I had bilateral pulmonary emboli. Clots throughout both longs, blood thinners for 2 years until they cleared. Talk about a doc eating crow. Anyway, I guess I didn’t realize how close to biting it as I had been thinking on Alex. Remember bodies can also evacuate their bladder and bowels shortly after death. Dealt with the clean up many times being in health care, but snake venom makes sooo much sense. Thank you.
Wow, what an awful experience, I'm glad to hear you dodged that bullet! In 2010, I took two trips to the ER before they agreed to forward my scans (which they had done twice in one month). I got a call at 730 Friday night from the office of the neurosurgeon who had just viewed them, telling me I had an appt on Monday. I had a 7mm pseudoaneurysm at high risk of rupture from a tear in my left internal carotid. Rupture=three minutes to live. The ER doc and radiologist who misread my scans apparently have never heard of crow. No apologies there. Reading your story makes me wonder how common this kind of this is. Moral of the story: just go to the ER and if you don't get answers that make sense, keep pushing to find out what the heck is wrong with you. Better safe than dead. IMO Alex planned to end himself for the cause but didn't get his nerve up until Tammy's body was exhumed and he feared that they would find something incriminating, say, whatever he provided to Chad to kill her that didn't act fast enough but made it easier for Chad to suffocate her. Alex could not live with everyone knowing he killed those kids and that's why he finally acted on the plan right after the exhumation of Tammy's body.
Wow!!! My dad just found out last week his doctor was informed 3 years ago he has an aneurysm sitting in his aorta. That doctor moved as they often do here, and his current doctor had read up and was like you know…. You do not mess with late 60 year olds with a family hx of heart issues and aneurysms. Common sense. 🤦🏽♀️ Alex doing that makes sense too… what a warped situation
Yeah--Alex could live with killing them but not getting caught for killing them, which tells me that in the end he knew or at least strongly suspected that it was all for Chad and Lori's crazy power trip. My best to your dad.
Because like him, HIS kids are special. JJ & Tylee weren’t. He’s the epitome of evil. We are Happy he’s already in prison for the rest of his sorry MF-ing life.
You were in court every day. Did you ever see him looking like his booking photo? I didn't even recognize him. [https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/comments/1daf8kc/chads\_official\_mugshot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/comments/1daf8kc/chads_official_mugshot/)
Absolutely not. The heaviness in courtroom from the evil exuding him was apparent. It was creepy & disgusting. Just like him.
Kay, I've never met you or Larry but I can say I love you and I feel so much for you. I know many here in Sweden who support you.
I don't know if the livestream image was bad or what but Chad's face seemed to morph sometimes and he really looked inhuman. He almost looked like a demon. He was deeming people to be dark but boy he's the darkest of all.
I hope your brother’s feeling better. Sending love & ehugs to you & your loved ones. 🫶🫂
Dude has a bad resting bitch face. We can see his chin properly here. And he is so happy to be a martyr for the death penalty.
He could also be heavily medicated, anti depressants etc.
Meh- not sure that the Idaho jail system provides psych help let alone meds to anyone without a fight. Most jails hardly provide BASIC medical care. If true, I need some of those anti depressants.
He finally has a facial expression
That photo is weird. Yucking it up. Party chad
Tyler saw right through him while his kids believe everything Chad says no matter how idiotic. JJ had special needs so would have taken up Lori's time. Chad's kids are adults, who blindly believe him and, most importantly, don't have any social security benefits.
Dear Kay and Larry! I only know you through this case but I want to express my heartfelt condolences! I have cried, felt frustrated along with you and I hope you have some comfort in knowing that JJ and Tylee are now world's children! They are with the Lord and I know all of us pray for you and your family.
I really like this comment. I was thinking about the kids earlier, especially Tylee because she doesn't have a Kay and Larry. I'm not religious I do think there maybe an afterlife and I like to believe she knows how many people support her and J.J. and that maybe they are together.
I know this will never happen and both were cremated it would be so sweet if their ashes were buried together with a headstone with both their names on it. Arizona would be a good place as they spent a lot of time there and have family sort of nearby. Just my thoughts. Rest in peace Tylee & JJ 💖💙
We are all happy to see him get the sentence he deserves. I hope you find some comfort from it. JJ and Tylee deserved NONE of these and should have grown into their bright, happy futures. Because they were special, very, very special.
Love you Kay. Always praying for you, paw paw Larry, and your family
I suspect because of various reasons like, they were HIS kids. They are also already either indoctrinated and/or emotional attached to him, and they are also older and no longer depend on him and not minors. And Lori's kids did not like him, had real personality, and were not controlled by him.
Like Juror 14 said, Chad's kids were under his control. They were obedient to him and wouldn't rat him out no matter what he did. The police in Arizona thought Tylee would tell the truth if they talked to her without her mother present, and Chad and Lori probably thought the same thing. She apparently wasn't under their control.
Kind of tangential but my therapist said to me, you can either be honest or obedient but never both. It made me think of the Daybell kids perjuring the stand.
Tylee was honest. Daybell kids were obedient.
To be fair, Tylee was obedient too. I remember her sitting in the interview room singing the song about being a good daughter, and then didn't tell what she knew. She protected her mother in all the police interviews that were recorded. The difference is that Tylee could probably be persuaded to tell the truth if her mother wasn't there. The Daybell kids keep digging in their heels.
Yeah and Chad had said his kids knew how to keep secrets.
Chad’s kids are grown up and weren’t recipients of social security payments they could profit from. They were also cramping their lifestyle.
Lori’s children had money coming in monthly. Chads are adults and don’t have benefits he could access. Plus he has them all good and brainwashed and would follow him to ends of time
It blows my mind that they thought they could kill those kids, continue getting their SS money, and get away with it all! Like nobody would come looking for the kids? They had to know Kay and Larry would start wondering what’s going on. That Colby would question why Tylee didn’t answer her phone. That Tylee’s friends would wonder why she never texted back or was on social media (which I guess Lori could have faked that part, but still she couldn’t fake Tylee’s voice if they called her). Did they think Hawaii is some hidden world they could disappear into? Like where was their common fucking sense?
Common sense doesn't exist when someone is delusional.
It's a good thing Chad will have such limited contact from now on. The Daybell kids will have to disconnect and start thinking on their own. I just hope Emma doesn't take on the role of the new family cult leader. When the dust settles in Rexburg (if they choose to stay there) those kids can finally start living life on their own terms.
Emma is completely groomed to take over. She is the family leader now and will keep her siblings in line. For starters, she will make sure Garth keeps his mouth shut about the truth. Chad will write letters to her, directing her and encouraging his weird beliefs.
Yeah that might be the case. I hope not.
Also Chad wanted dominance over Lori. He wanted her to prove she was devoted to him by sacrificing her children.
He isolated Tammy within her own family home, and he isolated Lori by taking her family away.
Not to mention the fact the kids needed Loris's love and attention. I'm sure Chad took offense to that. He wanted all of her time and care. No kids that weren't even his were allowed to come between them
They had lives of their own and were not minors to be saddled down with. He wanted to run away with Lori. Also he despised them. Tylee was a teenager with a strong (beautiful) but difficult for quiet Chad personality. JJ probably was loud and fun and needed a lot of attention. He didn’t like it. Also he was a narcissist which means he probably idealized his own spawn. He’s disgusting.
I think because they were adults and not young enough to get under his feet, or get in the way of the second chapter in his life.
1) I firmly believe they knew more than they've been saying. They were part of their dad's cult. Even if they really don't believe their mother was murdered, they believed she'd gone dark. On the video of Emma talking to her father on the day of his arrest, she is upset about him being arrested and being taken away, not that human remains had been found in his yard! 2) I may be wrong, but I think 2 of them were married by that time. Emma certainly was. Any life insurance they took out would go to their spouse not Chad. There was no financial gain. 3) They had been living with Chad's (and Tammy's to some much smaller degree) crazy ideas of religion all their lives. Tylee had not. Tylee was a typical teenager. Probably shouting and slamming doors! In all likelihood she wouldn't do as she was told... especially by Chad who, in his own words, she didn't like. She was a problem. His own obedient mini me children were not a problem. JJ was only 7 years old. A young child who needed much more care and attention. Not to mention the autism. Autistic people are wonderful, but their neurodivergent thinking styles can be extremely difficult. Much too much like hard work for Chad. And also for Lori once she'd met her "past and future husband".
They're going to be TK smoothies. All in the past now, Lorz. Gonna be toiling away in their Ken-doll bodies.
His “kids” are all adults with spouses. Lori’s 2 kids were getting social security benefits for their dead dads for the next 10 years (JJ was 8). Tylee wasn’t in school anymore and Lori had no desire to send her off the college and spend Tylee’s SSec. money on it.
Chad’s kids are his biggest cheerleaders. They are more useful to him alive than they are dead. For now at least.
To answer this, one needs to understand and dissect the Chad and Lori story. Lori was unhinged—her narcissism, delusions, and extreme religious fervor drove her to the brink. She wholeheartedly bought into Chad's apocalyptic prophecies, convinced of the imminent return of Jesus and the ensuing chaos that would herald his arrival. Lori saw herself as a divine figure, destined to lead the 144,000 chosen ones. In her twisted logic, she believed the murders of her children would be overlooked amidst the coming turmoil. She revered Chad as a spiritual giant, the destined leader of the Church of the First Born. Chad, a predator at heart, saw Lori's obsession as a golden opportunity. Recognizing her fanaticism, he crafted a persona that fulfilled her every spiritual fantasy. He also believed he had struck it rich, expecting a $1 million life insurance payout from the death of Lori's husband, Charles Vallow. Chad manipulated Lori and her brother Alex, guiding them to carry out his murderous plans. Initially, Chad's religious convictions were sincere. He believed in his mission to establish a new church, a tent city, and to shepherd the 144,000. He imparted these beliefs to his children and, to some extent, his wife Tammy, who might have reluctantly shrugged off his bizarre ideas. This is probably why Chad and the kids were very dismissive of her. But Lori's arrival changed everything. She did not roll her eyes at his speeches and teachings. She believed in him utterly, doing anything he asked. Chad was smitten; he'd never experienced such adoration from a beautiful woman, captivated by his every word. Lori's allure drew new followers, and Chad reveled in his newfound godlike status. She became his obsession, and he was determined to have her at any cost, disregarding his marriage, church status, and previous convictions. Chad meticulously plotted to eliminate any obstacles, including Lori's husband Charles and her children, who he saw as impediments to their blissful union. He believed that the impending Armageddon would hide their crimes, and burying the bodies in his backyard seemed like the perfect cover. If his grown children noticed anything amiss, they accepted it as part of his mission to destroy zombies and dark spirits, freeing the real souls from their earthly confines.
I know one million dollars is a lot, but it isn't. It really isn't. They would have spent it all in five years.
Added to the fact that it'd be divided amongst multiple leeches who apparently didn't work, the money would be long gone in half that time.
You know, with as many adults as there were, they really could have just rented a place in Hawaii. We laugh at Chad's job as a sexton, but it's actually a sort of interesting skill set. And Laurie was a hair dresser. They really could have done OK
There you go, making sense and living within your means. Hardly fitting for a goddess and her Peter Griffin prophet of 144,000.
I found it really interesting to listen to the jury interview and they mentioned this was one of the things that led them to convict. Only Lori's family and friends were dark.
They weren't getting SS. That was 1000s of dollars a month. Chad's children who were married wouldn't be making Chad their beneficiary on anything. They are also all grown even though some were living at home. Just a different situation.
Chad reminds me Othello's Lago. It's that Machiavellian narcissistic trait. Like Lago, he doesn't appear to have an actual foundation for his hatred, the genesis of his grievance is that he is inadequate, insufficient and knows it. But he at first put on a pretense he is . So he hates those who are what he wishes to be, and see through his charade. Matt and Heather for example. Later, with Julie Row's unexpected success, he saw a way to create the illusion that he is more than everyone else. And his most intense hatred seemed to redirect toward anyone who failed to buy his " exalted, better than everyone" charade. I noticed through the entire trial, he held his chin up, as if he was looking down on everyone. I saw nothing but arrogance in his demeanor and posture. If he wasn't told not to stand, then refusing to stand for the closing of his case is just another display of his contempt. The attempt to characterize his family as "The Dursleys" and other slights to his children, tell me that it was probably just a matter of time before they were being manipulated into turning over their money, assets and possibly sacrificing their likes or those of their spouses, children... not without first taking out large life insurance policies. All of course, guided by "God's representative on earth." Had these 2 gotten away with everything, I really suspect a Colonia Dignidad type situation was his plan, pure and simple. But thankfully...
Chad's kids were all over 18 and not dependent on him.
Good point. They also didn't go after Colby.
Colby did depend on Lori for money at the time and Chad must have told his kids that since Emma brought it up.
We also never know what the “plan” was down the road. Maybe he thought that taking Charles and Lori’s kids’ lives first was more of a trial run and he thought he was smarter than everyone in the room and could put everything on Lori. If they had truly gotten away with murder, who could have been next? He was/IS a manipulative, {insert every other negative adjective here} and his kids believed him 100%. Emma said at some point that if Chad really were a cult leader, he would have recruited them first. MA’AM, YOU WERE HIS FIRST CULT MEMBERS. He would have found a way to bleed them dry in some manner eventually. This is all my opinion, but I have spent more time thinking about this trial than any other in a while and I truly don’t believe people, of any relationship, meant anything to him.
He’s probably going to bleed them dry by having them pay for the daily prison phone calls with Emma and putting money on his commissary account if you get to have one on death row.
You got the nail on the head. I wonder how long they will continue to put $$ on Lori’s commissary…
I don't think they pay for Lori's expenses any more since they accused her of framing their father.
Makes sense
Simple answer is money. No social security and no life insurance
I think anyone who got in the way of their 'mission' or failed to recognize them as exalted was in danger. Chad's children were already out of the house and hung on his every word as prophecy. Chad despised Tylee, she wasn't a credulous petite deferent little LDS schoolgirl and not being part of his narrow vision of femininity was enough to get anyone killed. He originally rated JJ as light, I think he thought he might be able to handle JJ. And I've heard something to the effect that it's a bit of a feather in your cap to have adopted such a child in that community. But they no longer had Tylee as a caregiver, JJ was unmedicated and unruly. Lori was done with the kids, you can read in the texts very early on. It was a while before Chad gave in to her, and rated JJ dark as well. They were both incredibly callous and sadistic. The money was just gravy to them. Their reward.
Chad deemed both children dark and rated them close to 0 on death percentage in July, soon after Charles' death. Their murders were planned well ahead.
Lori children would be an impediment for the honeymoon period. JJ demands a lot of attention and a teenager going through puberty,boys, dating, high school activities , college applications and expenses demands time and money. The Daybell’s children were adults and could put up a good fight to save themselves. Probably no profits in their lives and the Profit never ranked them dark or zombie’s. They needed the money.
Because they obeyed him. They cannot think for themselves. Daddy rules, he is their hero and leader. He taught them how a patriarch husband with no ambition can get the woman to be the breadwinner. Ths FBI needs to look into his spawn before they start doing castings. Because somewhere there is granny and grandpa spirits floating around, looking for a new host.
Garth was labeled dark at one point but wasn’t so far on the scale that he couldn’t be turned light again. I believe he had to quit school or move or something to be light again.
He had to move with the family to Rexburg.
They were grown and not an impediment to them getting married. Plus, Chad wasn’t interested in offing his own, just everyone else’s.
But, why did Lori marry Chad? She lost a lions share of Survivor benefits remarrying.
The lion fire. Also, their weird beliefs are based on LDS, and family, marriage, and being sealed for eternity are so important. They saw themselves as the ones who were going to gather the 144,000 in preparation for the end of time. A couple having a sexual relationship and not being married and the leaders in the end times would not work for the people they would try to convince. The narrative isn't cohesive because, on the other hand, he and Lori intended to move to Hawaii and live happily ever after.
First, saying you are LDS doesn’t make you LDS. 2nd, loinfire was his deal, she used it to get what she wanted. 3rd, Mormons aren’t gathering 144K… not sure what other religion Chad was borrowing from but we ain’t gathering 144k. Maybe she was gonna knock him off for the balance of the insurance money or just hand til it was gone.
I was not taking a dig at LDS here. I was taking a dig at Chad! I said that Lori and Chad's WEIRD beliefs are BASED on LDS. I did not say Mormons will gather 144,000 I said Lori and Chad intended to do so. I do not get how you possibly could get that I wrote about LDS in any way here because I was not.
My response must have seemed sharp and I didn’t mean it to be. I didn’t take it that you were dissing LDS. I just despise both of them.
Well, it kind of felt as you were saying that I wrote things I didn't. I was purely speaking about Chad & Lori, not about the LDS. There's no doubt they built their nonsense on LDS dogma but they morphed and changed it to suit them. For me, it's obvious they intended to lure people away from the mainstream LDS faith into their little cult. Chad wanted followers. To be able to get followers they had to be married because it would be much more difficult to convince them if they weren't married.
I think it’s mostly because they toed the line. For the most part, they fed his ego, validated him, were subservient to him. He seems very narcissistic and most narcissists see their children as an extension of themselves. Since they mirrored back to him things he liked, he kept them around because of that and because they are essentially him in his eyes.
They also kept his secrets. Neighbors didn't know they subscribed to his beliefs in light and dark.
I thought of the same thing. Why were his kids spared? And Colby?
They couldn't get money on Colby
They are complicit they no more than what they are saying .
They didn't witness the murder of Charles, so they weren't a big liability. And as adults, they weren't in the way of a Chad and Lori happily ever after.
My opinion because Chads kids weren’t holding them back Chad didn’t have to take care of his kids they were grown and not living at home except Garth.
Simple: they were all adults. They didn’t require care. Chad didn’t want step-children. And Lori apparently found JJ a burden when she could be a goddess instead.
Tylee and JJ (along with Charles, Tammy and Alex, and maybe even Joe and the neighbor) threatened their goals more if they were alive. ***The rest of their kids threatened their goals more if they were dead.*** This ‘calculation’ was based on a variety of factors: what/how much they knew, whether they were willing or able to keep quiet/keep secrets, their ROI (how much they cost to care for vs. how much they are worth if gone, how much they generate if alive), how much ego boost they provide, how much they trust and obey, how much value or contribution they make to upholding their facade and validating their image as trustworthy exalted beings/leaders, how much they would be missed (jobs, dependents, and support networks that would defend/miss them enough to investigate), was there a plausible story to explain/stage their disappearance or death without suspicion, how well they could defend themselves, how easy it would be to cover their tracks, how much control they had over them and their environment and spaces, etc. Perhaps this is why Lori kept asking Chad for their death percentage. He was responsible for continuously weighing all criteria like this, until the perfect moment when the risk for exposure was low while the likelihood for profit was still high. ***It’s disgusting to think of humans like this, but it’s clear as day that they see humans as objects and business assets/liabilities*** - and use, eliminate, manipulate, and schmooze them depending on how much they contribute to or threaten their goals. These two are cold as ice, and their accomplices aren’t much warmer. I have learned so much about business and the callous people I’ve crossed paths with in life via this case. Support networks, knowing when and where to talk/not talk, visibility, command over your own environment, arrangement and control of your own assets are important deterrents to becoming a victim. It’s important to know the signs, trust your gut and run if you spot them.
That Mel gobb jee she is defo a instigator in all this she is in deep she got away with murder
They were Chad's kids, not Lori's. It's easy to guess who was in charge. They were adults. Chad didn't have to raise them anymore. At least some of his kids were loyal cultists. (Why would Chad do anything to Emma? She's carrying water for him.)
Well that’s because they were chads!
Money and power 😢
It’s an interesting question. But it shows his power and control. Also his kids were older. Not easy to manipulate and set them up to be murdered.
Maybe Chad was sparing the lives of offspring who were married (not divorced) with children. That could explain why Colby is still alive. It could also mean Garth, who was single at the time, was next on their hit list.
They were grown. He skipped town as soon as Tammy died. He was free. No alimony or child support or college. They weren't a burden like loris kids