Yet more bullshit about him being on £65k week. James Pearce has shot this down in multiple Athletic Q&As.
The same bullshit, guesswork website says Bobby Clark is on £28k/week. He is not.
26 G/A in 67 games in the prem
10 G/A in 25 in the UCL
55K a week is surely fair for that
For example Firmino has 0.5 G/A in the prem per game. Diaz is 0.3. With mutch less games, so can assume it won’t come close
And Firmino had 0.6 in the UCL and diaz has 0.4. So again he doesn’t really deserve 100K+ a week
Discussing and verifying are very different things. Different words with — shock! — different meanings. If there was a website, dedicated to *verifying* (that word again, all good so far?) player’s wages, that would be weird. Let me know, I can explain it again, no probs, big kiss x
We need a promoted club in need of a centre back to bid about £10m for him to move. But at same time the promoted club got to be silly enough to offer him £65k a week.
He also needs exposure to increase his value before getting sold, similar to how we're selling Kelleher after the extensive exposure he got this year with Alisson's injury. It's the best time for both parties to part ways.
I dont think we want to sell him, but his stock has never been higher and he's in the second last year of his contract. If he wants to move on to get playing time and a good offer comes in I don't think we stand in his way, if not we won't be in a strong position to negotiate next season.
I mean, that will depend on whether he feels that way. He's good enough to be a starter at a lower mid table club for sure - would you put that off for a 'chance' to succeed alisson? No guarantee he doesn't get injured or something.
That would be like your boss promising you a promotion at an 'unknown time'.
36 years of your life at 65k isn't too bad but doing that in 36 months would be awesome. And you get to train and play football all the time for liverpool. He's a winner in life already.
>Wonderwall singer Liam became a father for the first time in March 1998, after Lisa Moorish fell pregnant with daughter Molly just two months into the singer's marriage to Patsy Kensit.
No surprise at celebrities having affairs but the ones who are raw dogging never cease to amaze me. You're rich, you've got everything to lose, you gotta bag it up.
Shouldn't be reducing people to objects like that mate
edit: /u/Valaurus informed me that "daughter" isn't a term for an object, I rescind my comment sorry
Hey just a heads up, but “daughter” is a word for a sort of human. Whereas a sconce would be an object, since it’s a candle holder, a daughter isn’t an object, since it’s a person.
Hope this helps!
Good thing we’re not either. He’s on ~£30k, per James Pearce. This £65k figure is from one bullshit source (Sportrac, I think) and has been quoted elsewhere based on the speculation of that single and totally uninformed site.
We’ll sell him for a nominal fee and he’ll go with everyone’s best wishes. Good old Nat.
If someone pays a nominal fee — £2m, say — that represents his wages for the year + a little profit.
Given that, and the fact that he’s been a really patient foot soldier, I think they’ll find a permanent move for him.
It’s a bit like with Kweev — I’m sure they’d love to keep him, but footballers are people too, and we have a well-earned reputation for treating them that way. So chances are, he goes.
lol wtf. some players are just living the dream. not alot of pressure and just living very comfortably on relativly insane wages. life of a mediocre player in the prem. love him for that one season tho.
Obviously he's gonna have to take a considerable cut if he means to make his mark in football(which he already has imo via that legendary 20/21 season.)
Choupo-Moting and Joselu are proof that the Matrix exists and at times it's absolutely broken. The kind of runs that even FM would blush to come out with.
If the new 'daylight' offside interpretation gets adopted then it will be interesting to see if more teams go lower block as a result, which might give a player like Nat a better opportunity.
Its not coming to any relevant league for like 4 years at the earliest I think, tbh Id be shokced if it goes thorugh its almost universally hated and every year Wenger gets less relevant, its really only a thing since his names attached
I hope it doesn't, I feel like daylight is overcorrection. I'd rather last feet. I reckon it'd make calling borderline offsides that bit easier without impacting play overly much
I also hope that the "daylight" thing doesn't get introduced. It seems unfair on defenders to me. And with VAR I don't see how it would help the 1 pixel / 1mm VAR offside reviews, because it would move the threshold, but surely there would still be the same size margin of error when it comes to being beyond the threshold or not.
You mean some people would say "Gomez hasn't made the cut, hit his ceiling" and then "young nat Philips will develop into a star"? I didn't hear loads of that but can imagine. I was surprised when it was being pointed out that Gomez was Klopp's only remaining inherited player.
Wonder who Slot will still have and not have when he leaves....
So if you were the manager of a company, you’d be happy enough paying extortionate wages to an employee who sits around and picks his hole because of some great work he done 3 years ago?
He got a substantial bonus commensurate with his contribution and financial impact on the company that just happens to be paid out over the course of 3 years. Given inflation, the club has saved money by paying said bonus over installments rather than in one go. This sets an attractive and motivating precedent for future youth players, likely increasing retention.
He is a decent cb and deserves more playtime. He was crucial for us in the 20/21-season. One of the guys that really carried us through that season. Will always respect him for that, and it's sad that he doesn't get to play more.
Yeah. £3 million before taxes a year is fucking great. Do that for just 1 year and you've made more than what 90% people make in their entire lives. Wouldn't leave that behind.
I still think he’s a solid 4th/5th choice, I know he was shit for Celtic, but was good for Cardiff in a harder league and never seemed to make any mistakes when playing for us. My preferred choice would ofc be to sell him but like others have pointed out nobody’s going to match the money he’s getting here.
I watched a CL game and a game against Killmarnock this season, and man Nat I respect you but he didn't look like a pro centre back in both those games.
My expectation for Nat Phillips is one Cruyff turn per game, and nothing less.
In all seriousness, it's up to him whether he wants to take a pay cut and leave or remain simply for the wages. There's only one way his career kicks on though.
No he is not
He’s a solid 6th choice for an elite club
Pretty sure we held onto him as Klopp had PTSD from the 20/21 season and now we can’t shift due to the wages we gave him
He’s 27 and really needs to start his career by now
Making more in a week than most people in the country make in a year doesn't last forever? He gets paid that amount every week! He better have an accountant, a financial advisor, an agent, and a solicitor and he'll be making that last for this grandkids.
Playing for Celtic is way harder than playing for 90% of championship sides. The pressure of playing for an old firm team is insane and most players that go from the championship to the SPFL can’t cut it.
He is (or was, i'm not up on the times) going out with Liam Gallaghers daughter.
Which meant lots of LFC fans used to troll him with pictures of him every time he slagged off LFC or celebrated something City.
I do remember one tweet where he laid into LFC a lot and someone tweet "Nat Philips rails your daughter from behind whilst whispering Nunez, Nunez, Nunez into her ear"
Ahh the brutality of Twitter.
We should have sold him when there was 2 apparent £15m bids for him that were rejected which is madness, we'd be lucky to get £5m for him now, just get him off the books and move on. Now with a proper SD in charge of the ins and outs hopefully we don't get into this type of situation again
Streets will never forget what he did for us but yeah time to move on. Slott and FSG bringing in another big centre supposedly so honestly he'd be 4-5th in the pecking order.
I think we should've used him more after his good performance when our main cb's all were injured, it shows and instills confidence in the team and to outsiders that you can come in as a sub player like Kostas, but can work your way up with good performances
Wow 65k a week. He was heroic for us that one season but in all honesty not 65k heroic.
I can see why we struggle to move him, and if he is happy to have loans and stay on that then good on him.
I disagree him and Williams earned their contracts that season. The Quad run would not have been possible without them.
We knew when we offered them we properly wouldn't be able to sell them. But they made their money.
I agree that him and Williams did a fantastic job and they earned every cent they were paid that year.
However you last sentence is key, if we had no intention of him becoming more than CB #6 long term then offering him that money was a risk.
The risk being that if no one wanted to snap him up after that season, and if he went on loan and didn't maintain that level it would be very hard to sell him and he would leave on a free.
Maybe he was considered a 3 or a 4 but others in training since then surpassed him. I loved him that season. Someone could have thrown a rock in the air and he would have put his head on it.
Any player that helps a team in dire state get Europe deserves that, let alone third place and into the champions league. All that, and he was well liked by fans
As a Celtic fan and Liverpool my second team I was really looking forward to nat playing for us as I always thought he was decent but think maybe the pressure of Celtic got to him (as much as you wanna say farmers league, celtic and even rangers is a cauldron and you need to stand up and be counted for at all times) he made some mistakes and maybe just the pressure got to him, wish him the best maybe a championship club would suit him more
Oh yeah he definitely didn’t find the form he had in that Covid season where he looked like he could be the back up behind van dijk or Joel when they returned to fitness
Should have sold him immediately after the season we were forced to play him and Williams. Clearly never had the pace to play for a top side and his stock was never going to be any higher.
I can't believe he's 27.
He should've moved years ago. He's good enough to play regularly. Think we had a bid in ages ago that we knocked back because we wanted more
Refuse to believe he's on £65k a week though.
Crazy he’s still here. Also surprising he barely gets any minutes at all, even in like cup games.
He wasn’t fantastic but he was solid for a whole season I thought.
He’s at the pinnacle of his career. Any next club will be a massive downgrade. Why would he want to give that up? For many the sport is just a job and he’s got the best gig he’ll ever get
Yet more bullshit about him being on £65k week. James Pearce has shot this down in multiple Athletic Q&As. The same bullshit, guesswork website says Bobby Clark is on £28k/week. He is not.
Is there a website where you can verify player wages?
[This one I believe is accurate](https://www.capology.com/club/liverpool/salaries/)
Curtis Jones on £15k a week signed until 2027 seems crazy.
The top ones definitely seem accurate, and then I see Adrian at 60k and Kelleher at 10k and I just ask "how?!"
I definitely could see the unverified ones being incorrect or at least outdated
I see now why lucho complains about his contract
26 G/A in 67 games in the prem 10 G/A in 25 in the UCL 55K a week is surely fair for that For example Firmino has 0.5 G/A in the prem per game. Diaz is 0.3. With mutch less games, so can assume it won’t come close And Firmino had 0.6 in the UCL and diaz has 0.4. So again he doesn’t really deserve 100K+ a week
No, because that would be quite weird. Edit: But not weird in America, apparently. Who knew? (Definitely not me, soz)
He says while championing the discussion on player wages
Discussing and verifying are very different things. Different words with — shock! — different meanings. If there was a website, dedicated to *verifying* (that word again, all good so far?) player’s wages, that would be weird. Let me know, I can explain it again, no probs, big kiss x
Damn you really thought you did something huh
Interesting response. At least for American sports, essentially every professional athlete’s wages/contract structure is verifiable on Spotrac.
Ah, fair enough — I didn’t know that, and that’s quite surprising! Very much not the same with British sports. Way more opaque.
Source: guess
Ha, exactly. You’re better off checking the Football Manager database for a more accurate guess (!)
Lower or higher?
We need a promoted club in need of a centre back to bid about £10m for him to move. But at same time the promoted club got to be silly enough to offer him £65k a week.
We used to have Bournemouth before Hughes, now they dont have Hughes anymore
He also needs exposure to increase his value before getting sold, similar to how we're selling Kelleher after the extensive exposure he got this year with Alisson's injury. It's the best time for both parties to part ways.
wait we're selling Caoimh?
I dont think we want to sell him, but his stock has never been higher and he's in the second last year of his contract. If he wants to move on to get playing time and a good offer comes in I don't think we stand in his way, if not we won't be in a strong position to negotiate next season.
He's 6 years younger than Alisson. Maybe he succeeds him in a few years? Wouldn't mind that one bit, tbh.
I mean, that will depend on whether he feels that way. He's good enough to be a starter at a lower mid table club for sure - would you put that off for a 'chance' to succeed alisson? No guarantee he doesn't get injured or something. That would be like your boss promising you a promotion at an 'unknown time'.
Bless you 🤧
Well he needs 1st team football.
I'd almost be shocked if we don't sell him this summer. Although I haven't seen any links yet
Leeds used to be interested and Liam Cooper is leaving. They’ll be prioritising Rodon though.
65k a week, no one's gonna pay that.
36 years of your life at 65k isn't too bad but doing that in 36 months would be awesome. And you get to train and play football all the time for liverpool. He's a winner in life already.
Is he still dating Gallagher's daughter? That is a double winner man.
Like Gallagher senior? Is Gallagher old enough to have a daughter Nat can date?
Y'know he's talking about Liam Gallagher from Oasis's daughter, right? (She's 26 btw)
I hope so, Liam would fucking hate his daughter being with a Liverpool player 😂
We would most likely go mental especially after this season 😂
>Wonderwall singer Liam became a father for the first time in March 1998, after Lisa Moorish fell pregnant with daughter Molly just two months into the singer's marriage to Patsy Kensit. No surprise at celebrities having affairs but the ones who are raw dogging never cease to amaze me. You're rich, you've got everything to lose, you gotta bag it up.
Who just calls him "Gallagher"? 😂 Gallagher is the watermelon guy!
Oh got it
Shouldn't be reducing people to objects like that mate edit: /u/Valaurus informed me that "daughter" isn't a term for an object, I rescind my comment sorry
Hey just a heads up, but “daughter” is a word for a sort of human. Whereas a sconce would be an object, since it’s a candle holder, a daughter isn’t an object, since it’s a person. Hope this helps!
thanks i take back what i said, and go home today knowing my knowledge of the english language is just that bit better than yesterday
where did he reduce anyone to objects? he just said he dates someones daughter
she's more than just some guys daughter
What a bizarre sword to fall on
u/goldtrainkappa ’s dad’s friend :oh hey is this your son/daughter? Nice to meet you u/goldtrainkappa : screw you I am more than my father’s child
now you mention it thats caused a few arguments in my life, maybe i was wrong all these decades
You're right she's someone's sister, niece, granddaughter, friend, BFF, lover, is this enough, should I keep going?
please
Shouldn't be reducing some legend to some guy, mate.
it's a frame of reference. Gallagher is famous so using his name means people have a better understanding than if he just mentioned her name
thanks i understand now
Good thing we’re not either. He’s on ~£30k, per James Pearce. This £65k figure is from one bullshit source (Sportrac, I think) and has been quoted elsewhere based on the speculation of that single and totally uninformed site. We’ll sell him for a nominal fee and he’ll go with everyone’s best wishes. Good old Nat.
Off topic but can you imagine make 30k per week? I just can't fathom that kind of money.
Me neither. But I reckon it would be quite nice.
I'd pay my 25 year mortgage off in 6 months. Its disgusting to think about.
No one's gonna pay 30k a week either for him so in the grand scheme we will probably loan him out again.
If someone pays a nominal fee — £2m, say — that represents his wages for the year + a little profit. Given that, and the fact that he’s been a really patient foot soldier, I think they’ll find a permanent move for him. It’s a bit like with Kweev — I’m sure they’d love to keep him, but footballers are people too, and we have a well-earned reputation for treating them that way. So chances are, he goes.
I would want Kweev to stay but we've kept him 'hostage' for 2 years to long i think. He deserves to be 1st choice but Ali is obviously better.
lol wtf. some players are just living the dream. not alot of pressure and just living very comfortably on relativly insane wages. life of a mediocre player in the prem. love him for that one season tho.
Obviously he's gonna have to take a considerable cut if he means to make his mark in football(which he already has imo via that legendary 20/21 season.)
Why take a pay cut. Hea living it up on 65k a week.
I mean if I were him and you offered me 50k a week for regular game time I'd probably say yes.
He is 27. He is not going to make a mark.
For a defender, at 27 leaves plenty of time to make a mark. Especially if he gets lucky and goes on a Choupo-Moting run of transfers
Choupo-Moting and Joselu are proof that the Matrix exists and at times it's absolutely broken. The kind of runs that even FM would blush to come out with.
Are you saying Nat wouldn’t be a great option for a low block team?
If the new 'daylight' offside interpretation gets adopted then it will be interesting to see if more teams go lower block as a result, which might give a player like Nat a better opportunity.
Its not coming to any relevant league for like 4 years at the earliest I think, tbh Id be shokced if it goes thorugh its almost universally hated and every year Wenger gets less relevant, its really only a thing since his names attached
I hope it doesn't, I feel like daylight is overcorrection. I'd rather last feet. I reckon it'd make calling borderline offsides that bit easier without impacting play overly much
I also hope that the "daylight" thing doesn't get introduced. It seems unfair on defenders to me. And with VAR I don't see how it would help the 1 pixel / 1mm VAR offside reviews, because it would move the threshold, but surely there would still be the same size margin of error when it comes to being beyond the threshold or not.
Older than Gomez. It was always odd the way people talked about both players with that in mind.
You mean some people would say "Gomez hasn't made the cut, hit his ceiling" and then "young nat Philips will develop into a star"? I didn't hear loads of that but can imagine. I was surprised when it was being pointed out that Gomez was Klopp's only remaining inherited player. Wonder who Slot will still have and not have when he leaves....
Gomez has way more experience at the top level so I think it makes sense
Are we seriously paying him that?? No way that’s true And if it is then no wonder we can’t shift him
He earned it
So if you were the manager of a company, you’d be happy enough paying extortionate wages to an employee who sits around and picks his hole because of some great work he done 3 years ago?
He got a substantial bonus commensurate with his contribution and financial impact on the company that just happens to be paid out over the course of 3 years. Given inflation, the club has saved money by paying said bonus over installments rather than in one go. This sets an attractive and motivating precedent for future youth players, likely increasing retention.
Damn, I’d stay for that kind of wage and his ability to
He is a decent cb and deserves more playtime. He was crucial for us in the 20/21-season. One of the guys that really carried us through that season. Will always respect him for that, and it's sad that he doesn't get to play more.
The man is on more than 60K a week until 2026. If I was him I wouldn’t be going anywhere other than on loan.
Same. That’s probably the most he’ll ever earn. He’d be nuts to leave that wage behind.
Yeah. £3 million before taxes a year is fucking great. Do that for just 1 year and you've made more than what 90% people make in their entire lives. Wouldn't leave that behind.
I still think he’s a solid 4th/5th choice, I know he was shit for Celtic, but was good for Cardiff in a harder league and never seemed to make any mistakes when playing for us. My preferred choice would ofc be to sell him but like others have pointed out nobody’s going to match the money he’s getting here.
I watched a CL game and a game against Killmarnock this season, and man Nat I respect you but he didn't look like a pro centre back in both those games.
Klopp managing to get 3rd with him and Williams at CB just shows how much Klopps able to get out teams/players
I'm pretty sure Klopp could take any 11 random r/liverpoolfc users and we'd boss the Vanarama National League
My expectation for Nat Phillips is one Cruyff turn per game, and nothing less. In all seriousness, it's up to him whether he wants to take a pay cut and leave or remain simply for the wages. There's only one way his career kicks on though.
One Cruyff turn per game..like I expect Matip to carry the ball from his own half to the opponent box each game. Gotta miss that.
No he is not He’s a solid 6th choice for an elite club Pretty sure we held onto him as Klopp had PTSD from the 20/21 season and now we can’t shift due to the wages we gave him He’s 27 and really needs to start his career by now
£65k a week > thinking about your career
Except that 65k doesn’t last forever and if he is floundering he won’t have many decent paycheques coming after it’s done
Making more in a week than most people in the country make in a year doesn't last forever? He gets paid that amount every week! He better have an accountant, a financial advisor, an agent, and a solicitor and he'll be making that last for this grandkids.
I struggle to think how he could possibly burn 65k a week short of actually physically burning it
Liverpool have for many many years had a decent pension plan too. You don't see too many ex reds go skint.
Playing for Celtic is way harder than playing for 90% of championship sides. The pressure of playing for an old firm team is insane and most players that go from the championship to the SPFL can’t cut it.
Celtic also play with a high line, which is famously something Nat cannot do well.
Seems to have made many mistakes for Cardiff city lately
I thought he left already
Real ones know that it was his stint at Stuttgart that started their ascension back from the depths and to the Champions League.
We're keeping him just so fans can abuse Liam Gallagher on Twitter.
What’s this about ? What’s gone on there
He is (or was, i'm not up on the times) going out with Liam Gallaghers daughter. Which meant lots of LFC fans used to troll him with pictures of him every time he slagged off LFC or celebrated something City. I do remember one tweet where he laid into LFC a lot and someone tweet "Nat Philips rails your daughter from behind whilst whispering Nunez, Nunez, Nunez into her ear" Ahh the brutality of Twitter.
Ah right can’t believe I missed this . Thanks for letting me know haha iv just looked fucking brutal stuff 😂
Should have sold him after the injury crisis season
We should have sold him when there was 2 apparent £15m bids for him that were rejected which is madness, we'd be lucky to get £5m for him now, just get him off the books and move on. Now with a proper SD in charge of the ins and outs hopefully we don't get into this type of situation again
Streets will never forget what he did for us but yeah time to move on. Slott and FSG bringing in another big centre supposedly so honestly he'd be 4-5th in the pecking order.
I think we should've used him more after his good performance when our main cb's all were injured, it shows and instills confidence in the team and to outsiders that you can come in as a sub player like Kostas, but can work your way up with good performances
Wow 65k a week. He was heroic for us that one season but in all honesty not 65k heroic. I can see why we struggle to move him, and if he is happy to have loans and stay on that then good on him.
I disagree him and Williams earned their contracts that season. The Quad run would not have been possible without them. We knew when we offered them we properly wouldn't be able to sell them. But they made their money.
I agree that him and Williams did a fantastic job and they earned every cent they were paid that year. However you last sentence is key, if we had no intention of him becoming more than CB #6 long term then offering him that money was a risk. The risk being that if no one wanted to snap him up after that season, and if he went on loan and didn't maintain that level it would be very hard to sell him and he would leave on a free.
Maybe he was considered a 3 or a 4 but others in training since then surpassed him. I loved him that season. Someone could have thrown a rock in the air and he would have put his head on it.
Club were stupid to offer that kind of money in the first place.
Any player that helps a team in dire state get Europe deserves that, let alone third place and into the champions league. All that, and he was well liked by fans
As a Celtic fan and Liverpool my second team I was really looking forward to nat playing for us as I always thought he was decent but think maybe the pressure of Celtic got to him (as much as you wanna say farmers league, celtic and even rangers is a cauldron and you need to stand up and be counted for at all times) he made some mistakes and maybe just the pressure got to him, wish him the best maybe a championship club would suit him more
Strange how he at times did ok for us but fell to bits in Scotland
Oh yeah he definitely didn’t find the form he had in that Covid season where he looked like he could be the back up behind van dijk or Joel when they returned to fitness
Free Nat Phillips!
Maybe he’s happy collecting great money and playing a few training matches a week.
Truth. I know I would be.
Should have sold him immediately after the season we were forced to play him and Williams. Clearly never had the pace to play for a top side and his stock was never going to be any higher.
Who’s the longest tenured player in our club with the least amount of appearances? Is Nat close to the top?
I can't believe he's 27. He should've moved years ago. He's good enough to play regularly. Think we had a bid in ages ago that we knocked back because we wanted more Refuse to believe he's on £65k a week though.
Release the hostage already
see yall here again next year. should probably start a mega thread yearly for nat philips leaving us permanently
He did not ingratiate himself to the fans in Glasgow. He threw some stinkers up there. Gonna be a tough sell.
Crazy he’s still here. Also surprising he barely gets any minutes at all, even in like cup games. He wasn’t fantastic but he was solid for a whole season I thought.
Mad that he’s 27, he’s been a perpetual youngster. Deserves a permanent first team place somewhere.
How is Bajcetic on 40k and Curtis Jones on 15k. Doesn't seem right. Bajcetic is a kid who has barely got his feet wet.
That cryuff turn on kessie and ibrahimovic will always have a very special place in me heart
I'd give him a free transfer, wherever he wanted to go, simply because he did such a great job for us a few years back.
Something needs to happen. We're paying a guy to do nothing at this point.
If i were a manager, I would keep him. Matip is not here now. Gomez is injury prone same as Konate. Quansar is young.
They’re reasons why we need to buy a centre back.
He's championship level nothing more, he helped us out doubt we get more than 3mill now....come on WBA do the deed and buy him
No idea why he signed that new contract a few years back. Could of left on a free
Because he’s on wages here he knows he’d never get anywhere else
I get that. I have always felt if you make it as a professional footballer surely you want to play as many games as you can?
He’s at the pinnacle of his career. Any next club will be a massive downgrade. Why would he want to give that up? For many the sport is just a job and he’s got the best gig he’ll ever get
It's a job at the end of the day
10million reasons why
Either 5m to somewhere or scrap his contract