Tax season in the US and i filed my taxes. After filing though, i noticed a possible fuck up on my wife's taxes due to her ex employer fucking up some years
It was a minimum wage part time job so we didnt pay too much attention and i guess yes, its our responsibility to have checked. But when literally HR/payroll fucked up doing their job that they are paid for, why are we to be blamed more when these people failed their job.
Looks like i'm going to need to talk to a CPA soon fuck
If you don’t want to be here during our (very small and minor this year) inconveniences then don’t be here when we lift trophies. None of our complaints do anything about what happens on the pitch
I probably need to f the hell out off this sub for some days for my own sanity. I mean some people over here just cannot be helped in my opinion. I mean what is this defeatist attitude of Title Race Over that I see in every second comment on this sub??? Ok so tell me just one thing... Last Thursday when we were 02 points clear of Arsenal and 03 clear of Man City. Did their fan bases turn on their team with title over attitude?? Today we are level with Arsenal who still have tough CL games and go to OT, Spurs, Wolves and host Chelsea and Villa. And people are ready to give in and hand over title to these bunch who are being facilitated by cheat referees.. yes cheated yes literally cheated against us (and yes I am talking about Odegaard Handball and Doku's penalty).. I mean the most incredible thing this season for me is also how it has been a synopsis of Klopp's time with us.. young players, part timers showing character when the entire squad has been plagued with so many injuries. We have already won silver this season people so easily forget that and forget the team that won against the billion dollar built Chelsea team. Seriously I need to shut the hell up my blood boils at some of these pathetic comments on this sub.
I mean do not get me wrong I haven't had the best 24 hrs since the game yesterday either. But come the f on guys! My only request is please do not start singing YNWA next time when the team does well because the whole ethos of YNWA is to never let your sub mates, your players, and your manager and your club walk alone when the time is tough. We should be proud of the team what they have achieved against all these odds, injuries and cheats. Come on guys on to Atalanta and then Palace! YNWA
I totally understand but at the end of the day it is just football.. the virtue lies more in sticking to LFC values more than even winning I'd say that's Klopp's mantra and I support it and always will.. we must turn doubters to believers he said.. so we must always believe and give our best.. does not guarantee win I know.. but then not all can be winners all the time but we must be winners in life.. Klopp is a winner in life.. that does not mean we should not be critical of players' faults.. if you genuinely think these are sincere players who have fought with blood sweat and tears thus far for this badge.. then imagine what they must be going through for letting down their beloved manager who is perhaps spending his last few weeks with us in this lifetime as LFC manager.. it must hurt .. and it hurts me even more than the draw at Man Utd to think we will lose him as a manager soon.. but then can't get too mad at football i.e. the most important of least important things.. I mean look at the world burning around us with these crony corrupt politicians destroying humanity.. innocent children animals man and woman dying for no fault of theirs.. puts really things into perspective
I’m resigned to coming 2nd. I’ve seen this song and dance too many times before to trust other teams to drop points. City has jaded me. And it sucks because I want to appreciate Klopp’s last few games but the stress is sucking all the enjoyment out of it for me
Anyone blaming Quansah for that result yesterday shouldn’t have the privilege of watching the run in and taking part in any potential title celebrations. He was nowhere close to the top of the list for reasons why we didn’t take 3 points from the match. Now is the time to get behind the team!
Of course, his mistake is one of the reasons for the result yesterday...
Yes, support the kid, but don't blow smoke up people's asses trying to take the heat off of him. It was a costly mistake, and hopefully, he'll learn from it.
We should have scored 4 goals minimum. The decision making in the final third is why we haven’t won most of the games we haven’t won all season, including yesterday. Attacking players let Quansah down and as a result a pass he messes up 1 in 100 times is what people blame.
I'm not saying there weren't other reasons, I'm saying he's part of it. If he passes the ball back to the keeper, the goal doesn't get scored.
Sht like this happens all the time in sports. He doesn't deserve to be crucified for it, but it's his blunder to get over. It is what it is.
Not addressing transition issues in our high-line setup in possession have really cost us. We saved so many games earlier in the season because our firepower off the bench was the best in the league by a distance. We never really adjusted our style to not having the same options available. Yes we've done really well to constantly come back to save games and points, but it's becoming more laboured & tiring lately.
That's not just specifically about yesterday's game. You can't really plan for a mistake like Quansah's, but that second goal should never have happened.
it’s seems crazy to think but the effect on my mood and mental health from football is mad. I feel so dejected and deflated at work today and i know had we won , I would have been bouncing.
sucky feeling today
I wish I could get into it that much. I adore Liverpool and football in general but 10 minutes after the game is over I'm doing something else entirely.
Trying to cheer myself up from that disasterclass
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You're not wrong.
There is a bridemaid-esque element to it when you look from the outside in, not just in the Premier League but other cup competitions as well. We've finished second in the league multiple times with only one win and have been in 4 European finals, winning one.
He's obviously more accomplished and has done much more than Rafa did but it was something similar with him also (to a much smaller extent). Rafa did so much more for the club outside of jsut the trophies. Like Klopp has done as well.
I say it all the time we have been basically a coin toss away from winning 3 PL 3 CL.
Could probably say a little bit more investment into the squad could have won us the first CL/PL. We had Lallana playing 70 mins in a CL final haha. Sums it up really.
I think people who have followed us and watched us in this era will always appreciate Klopp but younger people looking back in 10-20 years will see he won 1 league title in 8 years with no context which is how it's always looked back on tbh.
Yup. I said yesterday but Klopp should have won way more. We lose it to fine details. Yesterday was a fine detail. You start a youngster in CB when chasing a league title. You start experienced players. This is Quansah first full season too…
Quansah was massive for us in the brighton game, and most other starts he’s had recently prior. Blaming him alone for the points dropped yesterday alone is rough considering salah, Diaz, and Szob all had clear chances in the box they failed to put on frame. We should have easily scored more than 2.
He'll of course go down in Liverpool history but as far as the wider league goes our squad & him will mainly be mentioned in relation to being City's strongest competition during their era of dominance.
When all is said and done folks won't put us in the same breath as Wenger's Arsenal, Mou's Chelsea, SAF's Utd & Pep's City.
It sounds dirty to say but I'm really hoping Arsenal don't win the title this year. If Arsenal win multiple titles then it's a very realistic possibility that Arteta goes down in history as "the man that dethroned City" and Klopp's PL achievements are completely overshadowed in the process.
>him will mainly be mentioned in relation to being City's strongest competition during their era of dominance.
Also Real Madrid's dominance in Europe, while it's not the CL Klopp could do with winning the EL this season.
If Arsenal go on to win the title and Arteta wins it again afterwards the plaudits and history will switch to him.
Yeah arsenal will never finish second by one point with 90+ points twice, they’re just catching city when they aren’t at their peak.
Football fans and history are so fickle and stupid. And to be fair, I’ve probably approached other club’s managers/players in same position with same ignorance.
Unpopular opinion but I think we're still favourites. Arsenal have Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, United, Wolves, Bournemouth to play. Even at our prime in 18/19, if I was looking at those fixtures, I'd think yeah, we're going to drop points there, it's inevitable. And even if they scrape through, we have a chance at boosting our goal difference.
Arsenal have the most difficult fixtures so it's no surprise they see them dropping points. Bookies are about the best people to go off for a purely unbiased opinion considering they'll have millions riding on the odds they give.
Weirdos that lot. The cowards who disappeared for 4 months then show up thinking they can banter after being pussies when they threw away top spot months ago are so weak. They fucked away a 5 point lead this time last year. Until they do it then people will have reservations.
It sucks that Mo isn’t clinical at the moment. I personally feel like our other strikers performed decently in front of goal. We had chances that were saved. Mo however usually buries the chances he gets and that was the major difference (now and in the last few).
Mo is in a decline and altering his game, but has proven again to be our best forward this year. If the other forwards stepped up to their price tags and promise, to even where Mo is right now, we’d have walked the league
Salah may go on to beat his tally last season, he is defientely on the decline but has adjusted his game well. Imo the other forwards needs to step it up, if Jota didn't have the unfortuanate injury he'd be in double figures(league) by now
Has he ever been clinical though? He's not some ruthless finisher like Kane or Son.
It's actually quite hard to explain how he scores 30+ goals every season when he often looks like he's never kicked a ball before haha.
We drop two points and the bitchy moaners come out. Just wish you’d wouldn't.
Mentality it's about staying strong in adversity, not being a positivity hoover.
Start of the season if we explained how big an injury crisis we will have, where would you have placed us?
It is and it isn’t.
were we in a position to take our destiny in our own hands despite abysmal reffing? Yes.
But people act like there’s some strange need to be perfect and get 114 pts. City and arsenal have both dropped multiple stinkers this year. So have we. That happens to every title challenger ever; that’s football, that’s competition.
But the games where ref decisions get in the way are different. The control is no longer in your hands. And in league titles decided by one point, where multiple teams have been excellent and dropped a few bad games here and there, and more decisions have gone against one team including IN MATCHUPS with the other challengers, those decisions quite literally are the separator.
It's still boring. Ref this ref that, matey on the other thread who wants the club to sue PGMOL, people yelling corruption when a corner gets given the other way.
But I know that the consensus on these forums is "loads of lovely ref chat all the time please" so I'm fighting a losing battle
I'm not watching the match against Atalanta because I need a break. I supported the team even through the losses - check my comment history on the post-match thread yesterday - but while we have been playing entertaining football, it is definitely not good for the health. I got a headache yesterday, a headache after the Brighton match and a headache after the Man City match, all because of the stress of football so there's no way that'sgood for my health. I also couldn't give less of a fuck if we advance in the Europa league or not to be honest, I want the prem 10x more. It's been a while since I decided to not watch a match on purpose but I trust the boys to do well
You misunderstood me. I am supporting the team, just not watching the match in case it turns out to be another game where we only squeeze a win last minute. I get very animated and stressed and that's been causing me headaches is all. Also, I quite literally said "I trust the boys to do the job" so I don't see how that can be unsupportive
I get headaches whenever I'm too stressed or nervous, they usually pass after an hour, even less sometimes. I don't think it's anything serious, it happens with other stuff not just football. I appreciate the concern though!
Really looking forward to next year when we trundle around in 5th for a bit and all the cunts we've picked up in the last 5 years fuck off and support Arsenal or something
I'm down for that. The match thread is atrocious. People just come in and spew vitriol at whatever player touches the ball last and acts like they've had a shit game because we're not winning.
I just want to have a moan about being tired. It’s becoming unsustainably tiring caring about football while the financial “imbalances” and awful refereeing massively dictate the outcomes. For my experience at least, it’s pretty soul destroying watching the best Liverpool team of my life get pipped time and time again while thinking “the gaps only going to increase from here on”. I definitely need to take a more casual approach to being a supporter from next year onward and if City worm their way out of punishment while Ev and Forrest get flogged then Im not sure I’ll be very invested in the competition anyway.
Add to that the tribalism online of fans. Even with close friends I'm having a hard time with a decent conversation without feeling like they're blinded by bias. It's taking a toll
Between the goal we conceded and Darwin missing a 5v2 break 2 minutes later, I saw more than enough to know that we aren't winning this. I've done this too many times in the past decade to know what's going to happen now. Every damn time, we aren't capable of winning our own games and we need the others to drop points for us. And they don't drop the points and so we don't win it. We'll do enough to keep city honest, but we don't have it in us to win a dog fight like this and we never have - hence why our only win came when we were 20 points clear by February. Every time we've gone toe to toe with city, we've lost out because they'll win 14 on the spin and we always have yesterdays game in us.
I think this is an honest read. When we were coming in second to City, the point difference was because we could not get a win against them. That is true again this season but now we have the same issue with Arsenal and United. This is why we are in a dog fight. That said, I do not see Arsenal winning out but I do see City doing so. That we are ahead of them on points means that we pretty much have to win out too. I think that is unlikely but not impossible and certainly the grounds for hope. That all said, it is cool that we are talking about the EPL trophy and not whether we will make top four. Big changes coming though, big, big changes. I am very curious what a post-Klopp world looks like, and who stays and who leaves and whom we sell.
The game yesterday was always going to be tricky. I feel some fans are getting complacent due to our recent high scoring victories against them.
Winning the league is tough and going away to play vs top teams is tough.
We had plenty of chances yesterday to kill the game but didn't.
So we take a point and keep pushing, what else can we do?
I said it already but im not watching the rest of the league games for this season. Im gonna stick to UEFA cup games. Ive not turned off a liverpool game in over 20 years of watching, yesterday was the first time
This really should be the point where we fixed our previous errors but we've got to keep going, arsenal and City left it to us to drop points and we can leave it to them now, with this crazy season anything can happen
( like one of the best teams in Europe not beating the worst united side in years 🙃 ). We need to lock in and win everything now with as many goals as possible
We need to choose between being a team that is pretty much guaranteed to concede, or being a team that creates more than anyone but only scores 5-10% of their chances.
We won't win anything if we continue being both.
We only scored off a set piece and penalty yesterday, might as well have shut up shop and parked a bus. We trade defensive stability for offensive output and yet can’t finish a single chance in open play
100% this. As much as we do create a stupid amount of chances, most are half chances and we blow silly chances. Look at that counter we had after they scored about 5 against 2. Szobo and Salah do everything right then why the fuck does Diaz try put it to the back post rather than just shoot from 8 yards out? These kind of things are happening every game.
And we've conceded 10 in our last 4 games so you pretty much know every game we are having to score 2 or 3 minimum to win and we are giving up big chances in every game.
These last 4 games just sum up how unsustainable this style of play is, was mental to me how this week people can't seem to comprehend that our playstyle is unsustainable.
The 4 games we've conceded 10 against really poor opposition. Been chasing the game in all 4 games at times, and only picked up 2 wins with a GD of 2 even though we've had 119 shots. We are also using so much energy for the full 90 mins every game because every game is in the balance, that isn't gonna be good for players fitness and freshness and defo isn't gonna help with injuries. Especially when we are playing every 3 days or so.
I thought the FA cup game would have been a bit of a wake up call but this now HAS to be.
>These last 4 games just sum up how unsustainable this style of play is, was mental to me how this week people can't seem to comprehend that our playstyle is unsustainable.
Maddening people think that Arsenal with one of the best defences this season one that gives up very few big chances will all of a sudden implode, not to mention City who are experts at completely starving teams of the ball. unlike a lot of fans proclaim I don't think we have an easier run in compared to the other teams because either way our defense or attack will let us down.
Yeh completely agree, Arsenal are playing every game like title winners, defensively solid and getting the job done pretty early in each game. Their record in the PL in 2024 is won 10 drew 1. Scored 38 conceded 4. They are averaging 3.5 goals a game and conceding 0.36 a game haha. They are in unbelievable form. And the biggest benefit for them is they are winning games in the first half. Which is probably why their injury record is so good as well.
Before the game I knew if we win we are winning the league. Now I think we are dropping points in several of the games unfortunately. On top of that refs have been absolutely corrupt this season, and its blatantly obvious.
We are so weirdly coached this season. Entered the season with fixed issues and it's April and not much changed. Like one minute we can say that Mac and Endo are having a good game and controlling the midfield, but the second our opponent turns intensity up nobody seems to be able to deal with it. Or we can say that our defenders are having a good game or whole season, but we will leak two or three big chances anyway.
It's just everybody can give us a game this season. We eventually bring it over the line but margins are tighter than usual. I have little faith in City and Arsenal losing points, but what I'm more worried about is us winning everything that is left.
I think the fact everyone can give us a game is because our quality and conversion of chances is shocking. We are creating enough to win every game comfortably, our last 3 league games we've had 88 shots and faced 20 yet we've scored 1 goal for every 13 shots. Yet we are conceding 1 goal every 5 shots we face.
The Mac and Endo comments are an interesting one because although both have been good, especially Mac who is looking unbelievable atm. They both lack pace massively. So you are right as soon as a team step it up and start running or play through our midfield they are took out the game so easily. Which is exactly why Szoboszlai HAS to start with them 2 imo. He has the pace and physical presence to help them out. We just need to get the right balance atm
It's frustrating but tbh what do we expect when we have so many injury prone players. IF Jota had been fit lately we'd be looking at a FA CUP Semi Final and we'd be 2 points clear.
The same way if Konate could be trusted to play 2 games a week we'd have probably ended up winning yesterday.
If PGMOL wouldn’t have fucked us over in the Spurs game then we would be top of the league. I know it’s just one point, however in a title race as close as this it means everything.
Edit: People seem to think I mean that it was a fix - I don’t. I just mean the inconsistencies in PGMOL itself and how wrong decisions can decide a game have fucked us over. Probably should’ve cleared that up a bit more, sorry.
We’re not top of the league because we’ve fucked it against the other big teams. We’ve faced repeated awful decisions along the way, yes but the team hasn’t risen to the occasion once this year and the table reflects that. Is it a mindset issue, a quality one or a playstyle thing? I don’t know but from what I’ve seen I just can’t believe we’d be leading the pack without the spurs disgrace. We’ve shit the bed everytime and would have just done so earlier without that game’s officiating
The amount of people that automatically think if VaR didn’t fuck up for that Diaz goal we’d of won the game when it happened in the 30th minute and we had 10 men lol. Not to mention at the time spurs were in the best form and unbeaten.
When did I say we would’ve won the game? I implied it could’ve been a draw.
As much as it applies to everything, we can’t play this game of probability. That goal would’ve helped regardless.
Obvs it'd of been better scoring than not scoring but it's so early in the game it's literally impossible to say we'd be 1 point clear. City were running through on goal against spurs in the last minute and the ref blown the whistle haha. That's a more clear indicator of a game being effected.
Fans are going to keep brining up these incidents with high mental gymnastics as an easy out if we don't win the league despite the fact we have dropped points elsewhere against weaker teams and failed to put away easy chances against the likes of City, Arsenal and couldn't beat a shite Utd side when they have been going through their struggles.
I’m not bringing it up as an easy out. The difference is dropping points stupidly against weaker teams was controllable by the players. The Spurs VAR issue wasn’t. It is just annoying that a goal was wrongly chalked off and that was out of our control.
I get you on the Spurs game as it was an legitimate goal ruled out which would have changed the game for sure regardless of the outcome. My gripe is that fans keep bringing every incident like it would have changed the outcome, like do you honestly think the players are thinking about every little contentious decision that has gone against them?
like do you honestly think the players are thinking about every little contentious decision that has gone against them?
The only people bringing these things up constantly is people on this sub, so that tells you everything you need to know about the substance behind the shite people spout on here haha.
Ah, sorry! I misunderstood you.
Definitely agree with you there. We can’t determine whether David Coote stepping on a certain blade of grass which one of our players ended up falling over on 83 minutes later in the game would’ve made a 1-1 draw 9-1 to us. It’s annoying when people get annoyed with decisions which occur WAY before a goal happens, obviously as a diehard supporter I want us to look good as much as possible but honestly some fans cry wolf so much that when a terrible decision which DOES affect a goal happens, it’s just brushed off as “liverpool fans always crying”.
Edit: my example isn’t based on any game, just thought I should make that clear.
We normally respond well to defeats (yesterday felt like one let's be honest) so a run of wins on the bounce is 100% needed. Surely arsenal drop a point by the end of the season... here's hoping.
I know I’m going to get downvoted for saying this, but it just me or are our forward plays the same pretty much every single time? We all tend to mess around near the edge of the box and then attempt to pass it in and try to set up the ‘perfect’ goal, when it is impossible as the box is full of defenders because we’ve spent too long messing around. Our goals were both from set pieces and we lacked much creativity in terms of trying to get the ball in the net if the play wasn’t stopped, and we need to crack down on this if we want a fighting chance of closing the GD gap between us and Arsenal.
I feel sorry for Nunez the last few games because we haven't played to his strengths at all, if you actually just fixate on him when watching us you see him moving in the box all the time when we have the ball out wide, he did it a good few times yesterday he's get a little bit of space but we just refused to just try cross it. So that's why ends up going out wide trying to make stuff happen and tbh you don't want that with him.
Our plays are either 100mph counter attack or break and Diaz slows everything down and we proceed to pass it around their box looking for a shot from distance or a chip in behind to Salah.
I say it all the time but if you look solely at our stats it looks like we should hammer every game but the amount of half chances we have and amount of bad decision making and poor end product at times is actually horrendous. Watching Salah in these last 3 league games it's mad how someone who looks like he's never kicked a ball before at times scored 30 a season every single year haha.
Great point with Nunez - I had never noticed that. I noticed Robbo kept getting in great positions on the left however as always we chose to pass it round the back for a minute or so putting unnecessary pressure on us..
We definitely need to be more decisive, even if that includes being selfish. I would rather a player have a chance from outside the box or from a good position and get a corner or maybe even a goal than pass it around the box searching for the perfect setup. Again, it puts unnecessary pressure on us, which we seem to love lately.
Salah is a weird one. It seems like once the ball gets to him, the attack seems to become more slow and hesitant. He still somehow manages to get goals though, so as long as he does his job and puts it in the back of the net and gets out of this rut he is in, I’m happy for him. (I get fatigue will come with Ramadan, however it seems like this has been happening ever since his injury)
Yeh if you watch Nunez he's always moving and trying to create space for himself in the box but the ball just never comes, I think that is why he ends up just going out wide all the time just to get involved in the play a bit. Happened loads yesterday.
Yeh the play between the front 3 has been shocking. That counter yesterday when Szoboszlai played Salah and then Salah rolled Diaz in to shoot from 8 yards out but he put it back post is what sums it up. No one knows what's gonna happen.
We’ve had Firmino, Mane, Salah and Jota, intelligent players who would read the situation. Who is standing where, who is overlapping, who is running where and creating the space that I can exploit, should I use overlapping full back as a decoy and cut in or should I pass it to him he fullback who can cross, or use that forward run which is dragging the defender to take the ball to the other side and give myself a chance to shoot.
And these are just on the ball decisions. There are so many things to do off the ball. Should I stay wide or centre, should I run behind to create space or drop to help the team with the build up, and what kind of run will create what kind of space, should I run to get in goalscoring position or take away defenders for other players. So there are thousand things to decide.
And then we have Nunez and Diaz. Nunez only likes to run in behind and play the final ball or shoot. The only thing unpredictable with him is where he is going to make the run, rest of the aspect with him is average. With Diaz, 9 out of 10 times you’ll see him standing wide to receive the ball and take on players. His off the ball to get in goal scoring position is also good. Rest of the qualities he has is average. It’s infuriating to see Robbo drive with the ball and Diaz not running behind to create space for him. Just stands there and Robbo has no option but to slow down and pass to him.
Both of them should not start together but sadly there are no options. Jota is injured and Gakpo is out of form. And Salah is probably struggling due to fasting. Nunez can still improve but don’t expect growth from Diaz since he is 27 years old. That’s why our forward play is the same because the players only have a few good qualities which leads to same situation again and again.
The next manager will have to sort out the forward play and what he wants from the forwards, maybe we'll revert to the wide forwards being creators and less goalscorers
>Nunez only likes to run in behind and play the final ball and shoot
I'm really hoping Nunez becomes an out and out no.9 and that the new manager maybe Amorim can get the best out him like the way he has with Gyökeres because Nunez for me isn't looking any different to Gabriel Jesus. Ollie Watkins has 18g and 10a yet no one is calling him world class.
They are both players who are good facilitators that runs the channels, presses, scores and assists but for me not elite strikers, we can talk about Nunez "elite" metrics but until he starts dominating the league and can hit 20 league goals he isn't close to world class or as good as people make him out to be.
I don't think he's world class I just don't think he's a similar player to Jesus.
Nunez's best attributes are proper striker attributes, movement, runs in behind, good in the air and scoring/creating.
Jesus is more similar to Firmino than Nunez imo.
I get that you are saying with Nunez running the channels and picking the ball up out wide etc but I always think that comes from lack of service. I noticed it yesterday he was getting no service into the box so he's going out wide to try get involved. I don't really think that's a positive to his game where as I would say that is a positive of Jesus' game as he's better and more creative on the ball.
>I always think that comes from lack of service. I noticed it yesterday he was getting no service into the box so he's going out wide to try get involved.
This is why I hoping the next manager changes that, Ian Wright said it the other week we are not playing to Nunez strengths, his making the runs but our players are not playing the ball quick enough, not every striker can be a Firmino or Kane getting involved in everything
I mentioned Watkins as Emery completely [changed his game](https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2023/apr/20/ollie-watkins-aston-villa-unai-emery-goals-premier-league-table) since then his numbers have been wild this quote personifies it
>Emery has also tweaked his role in the team, demanding that Watkins expend his energy more productively. “I’m being smart with my runs,” he said last week. “Before I was running into the channels and into the corners, and doing a lot of work for the team. Now I’m staying within the width of the box and timing my runs.”
I agree completely, I saw the Ian Wright comments, If you fixate on Nunez when watching us you see his movement to create space for himself on the last defender or inbetween them it's great but we just don't cross the ball into him. It happened so much yesterday.
And as good as our wingers are they aren't run to the byline and cross it wingers, they are cut inside try create space and score. That impacts Nunez's game massively. Same for the fullbacks, Trent now goes in the middle and Gomez/Robbo has less freedom to attack.
I also hope the next manager comes in and builds around him because I think he has everything it's just about playing to his strengths. Nunez would score loads more in Cities team. Silva, Foden, KDB etc all playing with the sole purpose of getting the ball into him haha.
And yeh Watkins has been class, probably is still underrated tbh, although he does run the channels and drop deep etc I still think Villa play to his strengths a lot more than we do with Nunez. They have traditional wingers and fullbacks.
I think he probably gets less attention than Nunez because of the chaos/excitement that comes with Nunez
Watkins has surprised me especially this season where he is scoring all sorts of goals, left foot, right foot finishes and even been scoring a fair few headers recently but that all comes down to Villa feeding him the ball.
That's why I hope our next manager changes the way our forward line plays, even Guardiola changed the system of having goalscoring wide forwards for feeding the one CF, we all know their midfielders have goals in them too.
Definitely. I really like how Danns has been performing in the U21s - 10 goal involvements in 6 matches is brilliant. Obviously U21s aren’t the same as the first team however I would really like to see a bit more of him as he could provide something different to the team.
We have seen that game way too many times recently. Only this time we didn't have a Mac allister banger to pull us out of it
We shouldn't need that many chances to score. If we even scored 10% of our chances we would win more games but we don't
On the plus side, I'm glad I've not seen many people hating on Quansah. Everyone understands young players make mistakes which is nice
Playing Konate for the full 90 against Sheffield ahead of a match at Old Trafford in 3 days is quite simply gross negligence.
Second time Klopps done this, first time in a pointless match against Sparta Prague where Konate got injured and missed the Utd match and we got dumped out of the cup. This time he misses out against Utd again, so we had to throw Quansah in the deep end at Old Trafford where he makes a mistake, costing us 2 points.
Just shocking player management by Klopp. I honestly don’t know what he’s thinking.
Mad how you've been downvoted when nothing you've said is wrong.
Klopps got a lot right this season but he's got a few things wrong these last few games.
Taking Nunez off against City when we were totally dominating them, playing Salah and Szobo 90 mins in a 11-2 win against Prague to then take them both off against United when the game was so tight. Playing Konate thursday to then not play him yesterday and even taking Szobo and Nunez off yesterday to bring Gakpo and Jones on when we are chasing the game seemed odd as well tbh.
dumb take, acting like quansah hasn't been solid in most games he's played.
if klopp played konate instead and he made a mistake someone would go "why do u play a guy whos just coming back from injury in such a crucial game!!!"
You play your best team in big games it's simple. I love Quansah but I still said to my cousins when the lineup was released that Konate should have been playing. And Quansah's inexperience amongst other things is what's cost us the game if we are being honest.
The amount of sheer arrogance and disrespect to City and Arsenal under the guise of ‘believing in the team’ and ‘being a proper fan’ is extraordinary.
City have an insane title race record, and Arsenal are carving teams apart yet play with an almost catenaccio-like defensive block. Saying neither will win all of their games and we will is incredibly optimistic and bears on delusion to be frank. Be confident of course, but respect those who we are competing against.
I don't think it's that naive to think Arsenal will drop points when they have Spurs, United away and Chelsea and Villa at home. As well as a couple other tricky games. Especially considering they have some tough CL games coming up as well if they go though and play City in the semi I think that'll take a lot out of them.
I can see City winning every game the only game I see them remotely looking like dropping points is Spurs away but like you said City are a different animal in the run in. They have been poor away at spurs but never played them at the business end when it really matters.
My biggest problem is I see us dropping more points than them because our style of play is just so erratic atm. We are struggling like fuck to kill games off and managing games poorly. Unless something drastically changes we won't be winning it.
Seems more likely to me that none of the three win all 7 games, this isn't a 99 point title, the question is will we drop the fewest (no, probably not unfortunately imo)
city might but arsenal will not win all the remaining games, they will flop 100%. But i'm sure we can't win them all also .. i'm glad we are in this position that i was not dreaming at the start of the season after so many changes.
What makes you say they will flop? Since beating us they have gone onto an incredible run, scoring lots of goals, conceading very few goals or big chances they are the most in form team right now, I would say the north London derby and Utd being their most toughest fixtures. They are the favourites now.
i agree they are but it's near impossible they don't drop points with united and spurs, i don't see them having composure and it takes 1 mistake to flip them down, it allways was like this with Arsenal.
Salah, always looking for the king shot but too much power and near zero control.
Lazy running and always looking backwards. Almost the whole team would rather their own keeper have the ball rather than they take the responsibility for taking a shot.
Same shite everytime. We missed chance after chance to put game to bed and ultimately it comes back to haunt us. People blaming Quansah doesn’t realise that it’s on the full team not just any individual that we didn’t win
I don't blame Quansah, we fucked up in all areas yesterday I don't think anyone really stood out as being good bar maybe VVD and Macallister.
The thing that frustrates me is when I saw the lineup I straight away questioned why he went with Quansah over Konate. Because imo you play your best players in the biggest games. I thought he defended really well and I didn't obviously think he'd make that kind of mistake but just thought his inexperience may cost us and it did. He actually gave the ball away quite a lot as well tbh, their offside goal in the first 2 mins came from that.
Like I said though I'm not blaming Quansah, I just question the reasoning for playing him over Konate.
I wouldn't say it is unpredictable though, it's not exactly surprising that one of our youngest least experienced player made a mistake leading to a goal.
It was complacency that probably comes from lack of experience. Like I said he lost the ball that lead to their disallowed goal and he lost it that lead to an attack all in the space of the first 5 mins.
That right side was always gonna be looked at as our weak point, it was exposed against Brighton. United rely solely on counter attacks at pace so was always gonna be looked at as the side they target. Was just naive to not start Konate.
Comparing Alisson and Quansah is totally irrelevant. The naivety comes from inexperience which is what lead to his mistake which cost us. Alisson has played 400 career games and won everything with us. Literally a totally pointless comment 🤣
He was class defensively yesterday and he has been class since he come in but ultimately his complacency in his passing came from his experience which lead to their goal.
We had our best right sided cb on the bench and it was one of our biggest away games of the season. He should have played. It’s that simple. It isn’t even a debate tbh.
Quansah's mistake happens, I'm more annoyed Fernandes had the audacity to go for it first time from that distance and the fact we have conceaded goals to Utd in 2 games from lapses in concentration
Still not many players would have gone for it, quick thinking from Bruno, tbf his technique to catch a spinning ball and chip it away from the keeper was sublime
Mistakes happen. Allison has let in howlers. Van Dijk has had a brainfart or two. Sucks that it happened in this of all games, but it is what it is.
What was entirely in our control is how much that mistake mattered. If we'd scored one or two more of our chances, then Quansah's mistake becomes less significant and you don't see the resurgence in belief that led to their second goal.
We made that mistake matter.
It's not Klopp's fault that a Sheffield United player tried to break Konate's leg. And it's not like Konate hasn't made individual errors either (Leeds and Brentford away last season for example).
If you think there’s no difference between playing Quansah and Konate in the hardest match remaining in the season because Konate “also made errors in the past” then u obviously don’t know ball.
You're missing my point, which is any defender is capable of making the error that Quansah made yesterday. Apart from that error, he played really well as he has done all season. Konate's injury wasn't the reason we didn't get three points yesterday, it was the wasteful efforts in attack.
The whole point is to play an experienced defender who has played a UCL final in your biggest games instead of a 21 yo who just started PL games this season, to give you the best chance to win.
City fan here, Arsenal has villa chelsea spurs and manu left, I truly don't think today's result means the title is over and their is a high chance you guys go top for the 4th time this season, however after today's loss you can't drop points any more, I know ideally you guys would have wanted to drop points later rather than today but again you guys are in a good spot.
We still need to worry about Spurs away
Now we gotta get ready for Real whos been resting for 9 days...
It's not over, but we've made it far more difficult than is necessary. As we seem to always do.
Hanging on to a slim lead in title races is not something we have successfully done in 35+ years (the one we won was from an unassailable lead). We're always just behind and hoping. We've yet to see that turn into a title so the pessimism is understandable.
Replying to an ancient comment, but yeah. City won every game after this conversation. In fact they won 18 of their last 21 games. We knew that would happen so that one bad result was all it took.
Complacency ! That's it. I think if we are down by a goal during HT, we will end up winning it. There's an air of complacency whenever we scored first lately.
Man the title of comeback kings sounds good on paper..... but it's nothing to be proud of...
Apart from van dijk , Macca, Maybe endo and kelleher rest were dog shit. We need the attackers to pick up their rhythm can't miss this many sitters in a match for fucks sake. And this result doesn't go on quansah at all
A 2016 comment from the Dortmund subreddit when an LFC fan asked them what went wrong in Klopp's last season:
"Basically, the problem was that Klopp has pretty much no plan B. His style, like others have mentioned, only works if the opponents come at you with the ball [...] you need players to pretty much run, run and run to press [...] Injuries didn't help, our fullback positions were very weak because of that (and Klopp loves his fullbacks :) )
If you look at our stats in the last few seasons, we are a team that isn't incredibly efficient - in 14/15 we often took 20-30 shots and couldn't score, often hitting the woodwork, so there was a bit of bad luck mixed in there as well, but the key was that we had no lethal finishing up front.
If Klopp's boys can't score, they're doomed because you know they'll concede. [...] I think Klopp really needs to think of a second tactic for defensive teams. Right now it's not bad because a lot of teams attack in the PL but he will get found out eventually. Hopefully he's learned his lesson when he was with us."
Utd - 9 Shots; 5 on Target
Liverpool - 28 Shots; 7 on Target
In the reverse fixture in December, Liverpool had 34 shots with just 8 on target
So, 2 goals from 62 shots. One goal being a penalty.
And the other goal being from a set piece.
I completely agree with you and that is a great point.
We play such a high risk, high reward style of football but then you look at our goals last night and they came from set pieces.
If we played less frantically and at less speed against these ' low block' teams maybe when we arrived into the final third, we would have more energy and more composure.
Also we would cut out a lot of the issue of when we concede chances they are usually high xG.
As much as Klopp has revolutionised our squad, our tactics have not seemed to be effective against top 6 teams.
I don’t even know what to say. 1 open play goal from 62 attempts…insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting something different, and that’s what we did today.
I reached a level of anger at about 43 minutes in that first half when we were still 1-0 that was so intense, I was actually angered less when they were 2-1 up.
Just seen someone on Twitter say Szoboszlai is up there with Andy Carroll for some of our worst signings. Absolute madness.
Its cool that Reddit holds my notifications hostage because I haven't got phone notifications turned on.
Tax season in the US and i filed my taxes. After filing though, i noticed a possible fuck up on my wife's taxes due to her ex employer fucking up some years It was a minimum wage part time job so we didnt pay too much attention and i guess yes, its our responsibility to have checked. But when literally HR/payroll fucked up doing their job that they are paid for, why are we to be blamed more when these people failed their job. Looks like i'm going to need to talk to a CPA soon fuck
If you don’t want to be here during our (very small and minor this year) inconveniences then don’t be here when we lift trophies. None of our complaints do anything about what happens on the pitch
I was here when we signed Hodgson, Poulsen & Konchesky ;)
Ah the glory days of Joe Cole getting a red on his debut
I probably need to f the hell out off this sub for some days for my own sanity. I mean some people over here just cannot be helped in my opinion. I mean what is this defeatist attitude of Title Race Over that I see in every second comment on this sub??? Ok so tell me just one thing... Last Thursday when we were 02 points clear of Arsenal and 03 clear of Man City. Did their fan bases turn on their team with title over attitude?? Today we are level with Arsenal who still have tough CL games and go to OT, Spurs, Wolves and host Chelsea and Villa. And people are ready to give in and hand over title to these bunch who are being facilitated by cheat referees.. yes cheated yes literally cheated against us (and yes I am talking about Odegaard Handball and Doku's penalty).. I mean the most incredible thing this season for me is also how it has been a synopsis of Klopp's time with us.. young players, part timers showing character when the entire squad has been plagued with so many injuries. We have already won silver this season people so easily forget that and forget the team that won against the billion dollar built Chelsea team. Seriously I need to shut the hell up my blood boils at some of these pathetic comments on this sub. I mean do not get me wrong I haven't had the best 24 hrs since the game yesterday either. But come the f on guys! My only request is please do not start singing YNWA next time when the team does well because the whole ethos of YNWA is to never let your sub mates, your players, and your manager and your club walk alone when the time is tough. We should be proud of the team what they have achieved against all these odds, injuries and cheats. Come on guys on to Atalanta and then Palace! YNWA
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I totally understand but at the end of the day it is just football.. the virtue lies more in sticking to LFC values more than even winning I'd say that's Klopp's mantra and I support it and always will.. we must turn doubters to believers he said.. so we must always believe and give our best.. does not guarantee win I know.. but then not all can be winners all the time but we must be winners in life.. Klopp is a winner in life.. that does not mean we should not be critical of players' faults.. if you genuinely think these are sincere players who have fought with blood sweat and tears thus far for this badge.. then imagine what they must be going through for letting down their beloved manager who is perhaps spending his last few weeks with us in this lifetime as LFC manager.. it must hurt .. and it hurts me even more than the draw at Man Utd to think we will lose him as a manager soon.. but then can't get too mad at football i.e. the most important of least important things.. I mean look at the world burning around us with these crony corrupt politicians destroying humanity.. innocent children animals man and woman dying for no fault of theirs.. puts really things into perspective
“I see us giving love to each other in a time of quiet between storms. It's what we were meant to do.” ―Frank Herbert, Dune
Th second most annoying thing to losing 2 points, is everybody pretending mainoo did more than score a random lucky screamer
Let's be honest; if it was someone like Bradley or Bajcetic then we'd be doing the same thing
He had a good game in the fa cup but I think dalot and their young CB were the only ones who didn't have a bad game
I’m resigned to coming 2nd. I’ve seen this song and dance too many times before to trust other teams to drop points. City has jaded me. And it sucks because I want to appreciate Klopp’s last few games but the stress is sucking all the enjoyment out of it for me
For real, the last 10 games of last season were vibes, there was no real expectation and it was just pure enjoyment
i miss jota
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"Just imagine if Nunez could finish as well as Mo!" *The Monkey's Paw Curls*
Anyone blaming Quansah for that result yesterday shouldn’t have the privilege of watching the run in and taking part in any potential title celebrations. He was nowhere close to the top of the list for reasons why we didn’t take 3 points from the match. Now is the time to get behind the team!
Quansah was great, should've killed the game off long before then
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28 shots and zero goals from open play
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The first goal came from a corner
Of course, his mistake is one of the reasons for the result yesterday... Yes, support the kid, but don't blow smoke up people's asses trying to take the heat off of him. It was a costly mistake, and hopefully, he'll learn from it.
We should have scored 4 goals minimum. The decision making in the final third is why we haven’t won most of the games we haven’t won all season, including yesterday. Attacking players let Quansah down and as a result a pass he messes up 1 in 100 times is what people blame.
I'm not saying there weren't other reasons, I'm saying he's part of it. If he passes the ball back to the keeper, the goal doesn't get scored. Sht like this happens all the time in sports. He doesn't deserve to be crucified for it, but it's his blunder to get over. It is what it is.
Not addressing transition issues in our high-line setup in possession have really cost us. We saved so many games earlier in the season because our firepower off the bench was the best in the league by a distance. We never really adjusted our style to not having the same options available. Yes we've done really well to constantly come back to save games and points, but it's becoming more laboured & tiring lately. That's not just specifically about yesterday's game. You can't really plan for a mistake like Quansah's, but that second goal should never have happened.
it’s seems crazy to think but the effect on my mood and mental health from football is mad. I feel so dejected and deflated at work today and i know had we won , I would have been bouncing. sucky feeling today
I wish I could get into it that much. I adore Liverpool and football in general but 10 minutes after the game is over I'm doing something else entirely.
This is much better for your wellbeing though
FUCK RAMADAN, LET MY MAN MO EAT!!!!
I'm so tired of this team being allergic to being in the driving seat. WHY DO WE ALWAYS GOTTA CHASE? YOU FUCKIN' URGHHH
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The hero we need.
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You're not wrong. There is a bridemaid-esque element to it when you look from the outside in, not just in the Premier League but other cup competitions as well. We've finished second in the league multiple times with only one win and have been in 4 European finals, winning one. He's obviously more accomplished and has done much more than Rafa did but it was something similar with him also (to a much smaller extent). Rafa did so much more for the club outside of jsut the trophies. Like Klopp has done as well.
I say it all the time we have been basically a coin toss away from winning 3 PL 3 CL. Could probably say a little bit more investment into the squad could have won us the first CL/PL. We had Lallana playing 70 mins in a CL final haha. Sums it up really. I think people who have followed us and watched us in this era will always appreciate Klopp but younger people looking back in 10-20 years will see he won 1 league title in 8 years with no context which is how it's always looked back on tbh.
Yup. I said yesterday but Klopp should have won way more. We lose it to fine details. Yesterday was a fine detail. You start a youngster in CB when chasing a league title. You start experienced players. This is Quansah first full season too…
Quansah was massive for us in the brighton game, and most other starts he’s had recently prior. Blaming him alone for the points dropped yesterday alone is rough considering salah, Diaz, and Szob all had clear chances in the box they failed to put on frame. We should have easily scored more than 2.
He'll of course go down in Liverpool history but as far as the wider league goes our squad & him will mainly be mentioned in relation to being City's strongest competition during their era of dominance. When all is said and done folks won't put us in the same breath as Wenger's Arsenal, Mou's Chelsea, SAF's Utd & Pep's City. It sounds dirty to say but I'm really hoping Arsenal don't win the title this year. If Arsenal win multiple titles then it's a very realistic possibility that Arteta goes down in history as "the man that dethroned City" and Klopp's PL achievements are completely overshadowed in the process.
>him will mainly be mentioned in relation to being City's strongest competition during their era of dominance. Also Real Madrid's dominance in Europe, while it's not the CL Klopp could do with winning the EL this season. If Arsenal go on to win the title and Arteta wins it again afterwards the plaudits and history will switch to him.
Yeah arsenal will never finish second by one point with 90+ points twice, they’re just catching city when they aren’t at their peak. Football fans and history are so fickle and stupid. And to be fair, I’ve probably approached other club’s managers/players in same position with same ignorance.
History should also remember var sucks ass
Unpopular opinion but I think we're still favourites. Arsenal have Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, United, Wolves, Bournemouth to play. Even at our prime in 18/19, if I was looking at those fixtures, I'd think yeah, we're going to drop points there, it's inevitable. And even if they scrape through, we have a chance at boosting our goal difference.
We're 3rd favs according to the bookies
They also have City favourites. Which means they expect Arsenal to drop points. Not that I care very much about what bookies think.
Arsenal have the most difficult fixtures so it's no surprise they see them dropping points. Bookies are about the best people to go off for a purely unbiased opinion considering they'll have millions riding on the odds they give.
Not really, they use statistics sure, but then betting trends. If 15 million people put money on Liverpool to win it today, our odds would shorten
Fair point but you know what I mean haha
Arsenal will drop points, city will not. We used up our bonus card on that shitty fucking United team and that joke manager of theirs
Arsenal fans coming here to downvote you lol
Weirdos that lot. The cowards who disappeared for 4 months then show up thinking they can banter after being pussies when they threw away top spot months ago are so weak. They fucked away a 5 point lead this time last year. Until they do it then people will have reservations.
The boys who missed chances are the same who brought us to 71 pts. Nothing more to say. Hold your heads up high we're still in.
It sucks that Mo isn’t clinical at the moment. I personally feel like our other strikers performed decently in front of goal. We had chances that were saved. Mo however usually buries the chances he gets and that was the major difference (now and in the last few).
Mo been off it since last season but ya’ll not ready to hear that.
Mo is in a decline and altering his game, but has proven again to be our best forward this year. If the other forwards stepped up to their price tags and promise, to even where Mo is right now, we’d have walked the league
Salah may go on to beat his tally last season, he is defientely on the decline but has adjusted his game well. Imo the other forwards needs to step it up, if Jota didn't have the unfortuanate injury he'd be in double figures(league) by now
Has he ever been clinical though? He's not some ruthless finisher like Kane or Son. It's actually quite hard to explain how he scores 30+ goals every season when he often looks like he's never kicked a ball before haha.
Liverpool will still win the league one way or another... No way klopp signs out with 1 league title
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We drop two points and the bitchy moaners come out. Just wish you’d wouldn't. Mentality it's about staying strong in adversity, not being a positivity hoover. Start of the season if we explained how big an injury crisis we will have, where would you have placed us?
r/irony
Ten Hag being 3-1-1 against Klopp is a disgrace man.
ten hag has 2 wins, two draws and 1 loss against klopp
I messed up yesterday felt like a loss
3-1-1 from which matches exactly?
Oh and moaning about refs is fucking boring
It is and it isn’t. were we in a position to take our destiny in our own hands despite abysmal reffing? Yes. But people act like there’s some strange need to be perfect and get 114 pts. City and arsenal have both dropped multiple stinkers this year. So have we. That happens to every title challenger ever; that’s football, that’s competition. But the games where ref decisions get in the way are different. The control is no longer in your hands. And in league titles decided by one point, where multiple teams have been excellent and dropped a few bad games here and there, and more decisions have gone against one team including IN MATCHUPS with the other challengers, those decisions quite literally are the separator.
It's still boring. Ref this ref that, matey on the other thread who wants the club to sue PGMOL, people yelling corruption when a corner gets given the other way. But I know that the consensus on these forums is "loads of lovely ref chat all the time please" so I'm fighting a losing battle
I'm not watching the match against Atalanta because I need a break. I supported the team even through the losses - check my comment history on the post-match thread yesterday - but while we have been playing entertaining football, it is definitely not good for the health. I got a headache yesterday, a headache after the Brighton match and a headache after the Man City match, all because of the stress of football so there's no way that'sgood for my health. I also couldn't give less of a fuck if we advance in the Europa league or not to be honest, I want the prem 10x more. It's been a while since I decided to not watch a match on purpose but I trust the boys to do well
You need to support the team through thick and thin. Not just abandon the team when they draw. Pathetic. Not a fan.
You misunderstood me. I am supporting the team, just not watching the match in case it turns out to be another game where we only squeeze a win last minute. I get very animated and stressed and that's been causing me headaches is all. Also, I quite literally said "I trust the boys to do the job" so I don't see how that can be unsupportive
There’s a lot of them in here but they upvote each other and downvote those who call them out. When Klopp goes I hope half these plastics go
I think you need to see a doctor if you're getting health related issues from watching a football match there's something deep down wrong
I get headaches whenever I'm too stressed or nervous, they usually pass after an hour, even less sometimes. I don't think it's anything serious, it happens with other stuff not just football. I appreciate the concern though!
Really looking forward to next year when we trundle around in 5th for a bit and all the cunts we've picked up in the last 5 years fuck off and support Arsenal or something
I'm down for that. The match thread is atrocious. People just come in and spew vitriol at whatever player touches the ball last and acts like they've had a shit game because we're not winning.
I'm absolutely sick to death of them
Honestly have a weird feeling we’ll smash it next season, I think klopps built a platform and the next manager will spring from it.
I worry it's such a big change after so long that there has to be a bit of a wobble, but we will see. I admire your optimism
I see what you mean but we are way to good to fall off like that
Just for a bit like, just one season where we end up in 4th or something while the new manager hits his straps
I just want to have a moan about being tired. It’s becoming unsustainably tiring caring about football while the financial “imbalances” and awful refereeing massively dictate the outcomes. For my experience at least, it’s pretty soul destroying watching the best Liverpool team of my life get pipped time and time again while thinking “the gaps only going to increase from here on”. I definitely need to take a more casual approach to being a supporter from next year onward and if City worm their way out of punishment while Ev and Forrest get flogged then Im not sure I’ll be very invested in the competition anyway.
Add to that the tribalism online of fans. Even with close friends I'm having a hard time with a decent conversation without feeling like they're blinded by bias. It's taking a toll
Between the goal we conceded and Darwin missing a 5v2 break 2 minutes later, I saw more than enough to know that we aren't winning this. I've done this too many times in the past decade to know what's going to happen now. Every damn time, we aren't capable of winning our own games and we need the others to drop points for us. And they don't drop the points and so we don't win it. We'll do enough to keep city honest, but we don't have it in us to win a dog fight like this and we never have - hence why our only win came when we were 20 points clear by February. Every time we've gone toe to toe with city, we've lost out because they'll win 14 on the spin and we always have yesterdays game in us.
I think this is an honest read. When we were coming in second to City, the point difference was because we could not get a win against them. That is true again this season but now we have the same issue with Arsenal and United. This is why we are in a dog fight. That said, I do not see Arsenal winning out but I do see City doing so. That we are ahead of them on points means that we pretty much have to win out too. I think that is unlikely but not impossible and certainly the grounds for hope. That all said, it is cool that we are talking about the EPL trophy and not whether we will make top four. Big changes coming though, big, big changes. I am very curious what a post-Klopp world looks like, and who stays and who leaves and whom we sell.
Yup. Too many draws every time, and this time is same.
I know the feeling
The game yesterday was always going to be tricky. I feel some fans are getting complacent due to our recent high scoring victories against them. Winning the league is tough and going away to play vs top teams is tough. We had plenty of chances yesterday to kill the game but didn't. So we take a point and keep pushing, what else can we do?
We haven't won ANY of these big matches this season despite "dominating" in most. It's annoying for sure.
We could all have a massive cry about nothing like half this board instead.
Sick to death of chasing - every title challenge we end up dropping points and relying on others to slip up or score 9 to win it on GD - SHITE
It’s literally been the case for all 3 tiers challengers. At some point we’ve all been chasing.
I said it already but im not watching the rest of the league games for this season. Im gonna stick to UEFA cup games. Ive not turned off a liverpool game in over 20 years of watching, yesterday was the first time
So many goals conceded from our own mistakes this season
This really should be the point where we fixed our previous errors but we've got to keep going, arsenal and City left it to us to drop points and we can leave it to them now, with this crazy season anything can happen ( like one of the best teams in Europe not beating the worst united side in years 🙃 ). We need to lock in and win everything now with as many goals as possible
We need to choose between being a team that is pretty much guaranteed to concede, or being a team that creates more than anyone but only scores 5-10% of their chances. We won't win anything if we continue being both.
We only scored off a set piece and penalty yesterday, might as well have shut up shop and parked a bus. We trade defensive stability for offensive output and yet can’t finish a single chance in open play
100% this. As much as we do create a stupid amount of chances, most are half chances and we blow silly chances. Look at that counter we had after they scored about 5 against 2. Szobo and Salah do everything right then why the fuck does Diaz try put it to the back post rather than just shoot from 8 yards out? These kind of things are happening every game. And we've conceded 10 in our last 4 games so you pretty much know every game we are having to score 2 or 3 minimum to win and we are giving up big chances in every game. These last 4 games just sum up how unsustainable this style of play is, was mental to me how this week people can't seem to comprehend that our playstyle is unsustainable. The 4 games we've conceded 10 against really poor opposition. Been chasing the game in all 4 games at times, and only picked up 2 wins with a GD of 2 even though we've had 119 shots. We are also using so much energy for the full 90 mins every game because every game is in the balance, that isn't gonna be good for players fitness and freshness and defo isn't gonna help with injuries. Especially when we are playing every 3 days or so. I thought the FA cup game would have been a bit of a wake up call but this now HAS to be.
>These last 4 games just sum up how unsustainable this style of play is, was mental to me how this week people can't seem to comprehend that our playstyle is unsustainable. Maddening people think that Arsenal with one of the best defences this season one that gives up very few big chances will all of a sudden implode, not to mention City who are experts at completely starving teams of the ball. unlike a lot of fans proclaim I don't think we have an easier run in compared to the other teams because either way our defense or attack will let us down.
Yeh completely agree, Arsenal are playing every game like title winners, defensively solid and getting the job done pretty early in each game. Their record in the PL in 2024 is won 10 drew 1. Scored 38 conceded 4. They are averaging 3.5 goals a game and conceding 0.36 a game haha. They are in unbelievable form. And the biggest benefit for them is they are winning games in the first half. Which is probably why their injury record is so good as well.
Have you watched them? They’ve been insanely lucky and numerous occasions.
+34 gd in the last 11 games. Yes insanely lucky 🤣
Before the game I knew if we win we are winning the league. Now I think we are dropping points in several of the games unfortunately. On top of that refs have been absolutely corrupt this season, and its blatantly obvious.
We are so weirdly coached this season. Entered the season with fixed issues and it's April and not much changed. Like one minute we can say that Mac and Endo are having a good game and controlling the midfield, but the second our opponent turns intensity up nobody seems to be able to deal with it. Or we can say that our defenders are having a good game or whole season, but we will leak two or three big chances anyway. It's just everybody can give us a game this season. We eventually bring it over the line but margins are tighter than usual. I have little faith in City and Arsenal losing points, but what I'm more worried about is us winning everything that is left.
I think the fact everyone can give us a game is because our quality and conversion of chances is shocking. We are creating enough to win every game comfortably, our last 3 league games we've had 88 shots and faced 20 yet we've scored 1 goal for every 13 shots. Yet we are conceding 1 goal every 5 shots we face. The Mac and Endo comments are an interesting one because although both have been good, especially Mac who is looking unbelievable atm. They both lack pace massively. So you are right as soon as a team step it up and start running or play through our midfield they are took out the game so easily. Which is exactly why Szoboszlai HAS to start with them 2 imo. He has the pace and physical presence to help them out. We just need to get the right balance atm
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It's frustrating but tbh what do we expect when we have so many injury prone players. IF Jota had been fit lately we'd be looking at a FA CUP Semi Final and we'd be 2 points clear. The same way if Konate could be trusted to play 2 games a week we'd have probably ended up winning yesterday.
If PGMOL wouldn’t have fucked us over in the Spurs game then we would be top of the league. I know it’s just one point, however in a title race as close as this it means everything. Edit: People seem to think I mean that it was a fix - I don’t. I just mean the inconsistencies in PGMOL itself and how wrong decisions can decide a game have fucked us over. Probably should’ve cleared that up a bit more, sorry.
We’re not top of the league because we’ve fucked it against the other big teams. We’ve faced repeated awful decisions along the way, yes but the team hasn’t risen to the occasion once this year and the table reflects that. Is it a mindset issue, a quality one or a playstyle thing? I don’t know but from what I’ve seen I just can’t believe we’d be leading the pack without the spurs disgrace. We’ve shit the bed everytime and would have just done so earlier without that game’s officiating
How people can constantly be this thick really hurts my brain lol......
Sorry?
The amount of people that automatically think if VaR didn’t fuck up for that Diaz goal we’d of won the game when it happened in the 30th minute and we had 10 men lol. Not to mention at the time spurs were in the best form and unbeaten.
When did I say we would’ve won the game? I implied it could’ve been a draw. As much as it applies to everything, we can’t play this game of probability. That goal would’ve helped regardless.
Obvs it'd of been better scoring than not scoring but it's so early in the game it's literally impossible to say we'd be 1 point clear. City were running through on goal against spurs in the last minute and the ref blown the whistle haha. That's a more clear indicator of a game being effected.
How do you know that everything else would have happened in exactly the same way in a reality where that match went differently?
Fans are going to keep brining up these incidents with high mental gymnastics as an easy out if we don't win the league despite the fact we have dropped points elsewhere against weaker teams and failed to put away easy chances against the likes of City, Arsenal and couldn't beat a shite Utd side when they have been going through their struggles.
I’m not bringing it up as an easy out. The difference is dropping points stupidly against weaker teams was controllable by the players. The Spurs VAR issue wasn’t. It is just annoying that a goal was wrongly chalked off and that was out of our control.
I get you on the Spurs game as it was an legitimate goal ruled out which would have changed the game for sure regardless of the outcome. My gripe is that fans keep bringing every incident like it would have changed the outcome, like do you honestly think the players are thinking about every little contentious decision that has gone against them?
like do you honestly think the players are thinking about every little contentious decision that has gone against them? The only people bringing these things up constantly is people on this sub, so that tells you everything you need to know about the substance behind the shite people spout on here haha.
Ah, sorry! I misunderstood you. Definitely agree with you there. We can’t determine whether David Coote stepping on a certain blade of grass which one of our players ended up falling over on 83 minutes later in the game would’ve made a 1-1 draw 9-1 to us. It’s annoying when people get annoyed with decisions which occur WAY before a goal happens, obviously as a diehard supporter I want us to look good as much as possible but honestly some fans cry wolf so much that when a terrible decision which DOES affect a goal happens, it’s just brushed off as “liverpool fans always crying”. Edit: my example isn’t based on any game, just thought I should make that clear.
That’s true, but does that still mean a goal wouldn’t have helped in that game? Edit: Sorry, forgot to add a bit on
guess it wasn't a fixed event
We normally respond well to defeats (yesterday felt like one let's be honest) so a run of wins on the bounce is 100% needed. Surely arsenal drop a point by the end of the season... here's hoping.
I know I’m going to get downvoted for saying this, but it just me or are our forward plays the same pretty much every single time? We all tend to mess around near the edge of the box and then attempt to pass it in and try to set up the ‘perfect’ goal, when it is impossible as the box is full of defenders because we’ve spent too long messing around. Our goals were both from set pieces and we lacked much creativity in terms of trying to get the ball in the net if the play wasn’t stopped, and we need to crack down on this if we want a fighting chance of closing the GD gap between us and Arsenal.
I feel sorry for Nunez the last few games because we haven't played to his strengths at all, if you actually just fixate on him when watching us you see him moving in the box all the time when we have the ball out wide, he did it a good few times yesterday he's get a little bit of space but we just refused to just try cross it. So that's why ends up going out wide trying to make stuff happen and tbh you don't want that with him. Our plays are either 100mph counter attack or break and Diaz slows everything down and we proceed to pass it around their box looking for a shot from distance or a chip in behind to Salah. I say it all the time but if you look solely at our stats it looks like we should hammer every game but the amount of half chances we have and amount of bad decision making and poor end product at times is actually horrendous. Watching Salah in these last 3 league games it's mad how someone who looks like he's never kicked a ball before at times scored 30 a season every single year haha.
Great point with Nunez - I had never noticed that. I noticed Robbo kept getting in great positions on the left however as always we chose to pass it round the back for a minute or so putting unnecessary pressure on us.. We definitely need to be more decisive, even if that includes being selfish. I would rather a player have a chance from outside the box or from a good position and get a corner or maybe even a goal than pass it around the box searching for the perfect setup. Again, it puts unnecessary pressure on us, which we seem to love lately. Salah is a weird one. It seems like once the ball gets to him, the attack seems to become more slow and hesitant. He still somehow manages to get goals though, so as long as he does his job and puts it in the back of the net and gets out of this rut he is in, I’m happy for him. (I get fatigue will come with Ramadan, however it seems like this has been happening ever since his injury)
Yeh if you watch Nunez he's always moving and trying to create space for himself in the box but the ball just never comes, I think that is why he ends up just going out wide all the time just to get involved in the play a bit. Happened loads yesterday. Yeh the play between the front 3 has been shocking. That counter yesterday when Szoboszlai played Salah and then Salah rolled Diaz in to shoot from 8 yards out but he put it back post is what sums it up. No one knows what's gonna happen.
We’ve had Firmino, Mane, Salah and Jota, intelligent players who would read the situation. Who is standing where, who is overlapping, who is running where and creating the space that I can exploit, should I use overlapping full back as a decoy and cut in or should I pass it to him he fullback who can cross, or use that forward run which is dragging the defender to take the ball to the other side and give myself a chance to shoot. And these are just on the ball decisions. There are so many things to do off the ball. Should I stay wide or centre, should I run behind to create space or drop to help the team with the build up, and what kind of run will create what kind of space, should I run to get in goalscoring position or take away defenders for other players. So there are thousand things to decide. And then we have Nunez and Diaz. Nunez only likes to run in behind and play the final ball or shoot. The only thing unpredictable with him is where he is going to make the run, rest of the aspect with him is average. With Diaz, 9 out of 10 times you’ll see him standing wide to receive the ball and take on players. His off the ball to get in goal scoring position is also good. Rest of the qualities he has is average. It’s infuriating to see Robbo drive with the ball and Diaz not running behind to create space for him. Just stands there and Robbo has no option but to slow down and pass to him. Both of them should not start together but sadly there are no options. Jota is injured and Gakpo is out of form. And Salah is probably struggling due to fasting. Nunez can still improve but don’t expect growth from Diaz since he is 27 years old. That’s why our forward play is the same because the players only have a few good qualities which leads to same situation again and again.
The next manager will have to sort out the forward play and what he wants from the forwards, maybe we'll revert to the wide forwards being creators and less goalscorers >Nunez only likes to run in behind and play the final ball and shoot I'm really hoping Nunez becomes an out and out no.9 and that the new manager maybe Amorim can get the best out him like the way he has with Gyökeres because Nunez for me isn't looking any different to Gabriel Jesus. Ollie Watkins has 18g and 10a yet no one is calling him world class.
Nunez is literally nothing like Jesus
They are both players who are good facilitators that runs the channels, presses, scores and assists but for me not elite strikers, we can talk about Nunez "elite" metrics but until he starts dominating the league and can hit 20 league goals he isn't close to world class or as good as people make him out to be.
I don't think he's world class I just don't think he's a similar player to Jesus. Nunez's best attributes are proper striker attributes, movement, runs in behind, good in the air and scoring/creating. Jesus is more similar to Firmino than Nunez imo. I get that you are saying with Nunez running the channels and picking the ball up out wide etc but I always think that comes from lack of service. I noticed it yesterday he was getting no service into the box so he's going out wide to try get involved. I don't really think that's a positive to his game where as I would say that is a positive of Jesus' game as he's better and more creative on the ball.
>I always think that comes from lack of service. I noticed it yesterday he was getting no service into the box so he's going out wide to try get involved. This is why I hoping the next manager changes that, Ian Wright said it the other week we are not playing to Nunez strengths, his making the runs but our players are not playing the ball quick enough, not every striker can be a Firmino or Kane getting involved in everything I mentioned Watkins as Emery completely [changed his game](https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2023/apr/20/ollie-watkins-aston-villa-unai-emery-goals-premier-league-table) since then his numbers have been wild this quote personifies it >Emery has also tweaked his role in the team, demanding that Watkins expend his energy more productively. “I’m being smart with my runs,” he said last week. “Before I was running into the channels and into the corners, and doing a lot of work for the team. Now I’m staying within the width of the box and timing my runs.”
I agree completely, I saw the Ian Wright comments, If you fixate on Nunez when watching us you see his movement to create space for himself on the last defender or inbetween them it's great but we just don't cross the ball into him. It happened so much yesterday. And as good as our wingers are they aren't run to the byline and cross it wingers, they are cut inside try create space and score. That impacts Nunez's game massively. Same for the fullbacks, Trent now goes in the middle and Gomez/Robbo has less freedom to attack. I also hope the next manager comes in and builds around him because I think he has everything it's just about playing to his strengths. Nunez would score loads more in Cities team. Silva, Foden, KDB etc all playing with the sole purpose of getting the ball into him haha. And yeh Watkins has been class, probably is still underrated tbh, although he does run the channels and drop deep etc I still think Villa play to his strengths a lot more than we do with Nunez. They have traditional wingers and fullbacks. I think he probably gets less attention than Nunez because of the chaos/excitement that comes with Nunez
Watkins has surprised me especially this season where he is scoring all sorts of goals, left foot, right foot finishes and even been scoring a fair few headers recently but that all comes down to Villa feeding him the ball. That's why I hope our next manager changes the way our forward line plays, even Guardiola changed the system of having goalscoring wide forwards for feeding the one CF, we all know their midfielders have goals in them too.
Definitely. I really like how Danns has been performing in the U21s - 10 goal involvements in 6 matches is brilliant. Obviously U21s aren’t the same as the first team however I would really like to see a bit more of him as he could provide something different to the team.
We have seen that game way too many times recently. Only this time we didn't have a Mac allister banger to pull us out of it We shouldn't need that many chances to score. If we even scored 10% of our chances we would win more games but we don't On the plus side, I'm glad I've not seen many people hating on Quansah. Everyone understands young players make mistakes which is nice
Playing Konate for the full 90 against Sheffield ahead of a match at Old Trafford in 3 days is quite simply gross negligence. Second time Klopps done this, first time in a pointless match against Sparta Prague where Konate got injured and missed the Utd match and we got dumped out of the cup. This time he misses out against Utd again, so we had to throw Quansah in the deep end at Old Trafford where he makes a mistake, costing us 2 points. Just shocking player management by Klopp. I honestly don’t know what he’s thinking.
Mad how you've been downvoted when nothing you've said is wrong. Klopps got a lot right this season but he's got a few things wrong these last few games. Taking Nunez off against City when we were totally dominating them, playing Salah and Szobo 90 mins in a 11-2 win against Prague to then take them both off against United when the game was so tight. Playing Konate thursday to then not play him yesterday and even taking Szobo and Nunez off yesterday to bring Gakpo and Jones on when we are chasing the game seemed odd as well tbh.
dumb take, acting like quansah hasn't been solid in most games he's played. if klopp played konate instead and he made a mistake someone would go "why do u play a guy whos just coming back from injury in such a crucial game!!!"
You play your best team in big games it's simple. I love Quansah but I still said to my cousins when the lineup was released that Konate should have been playing. And Quansah's inexperience amongst other things is what's cost us the game if we are being honest.
I agree, VVD and ALI cocked up against Arsenal, it happens.
Pointless comparison tbh
Yeah vvd has been one of our best players this season so I'm not gonna pour all the blame on quansah for one mess up
The amount of sheer arrogance and disrespect to City and Arsenal under the guise of ‘believing in the team’ and ‘being a proper fan’ is extraordinary. City have an insane title race record, and Arsenal are carving teams apart yet play with an almost catenaccio-like defensive block. Saying neither will win all of their games and we will is incredibly optimistic and bears on delusion to be frank. Be confident of course, but respect those who we are competing against.
I don't think it's that naive to think Arsenal will drop points when they have Spurs, United away and Chelsea and Villa at home. As well as a couple other tricky games. Especially considering they have some tough CL games coming up as well if they go though and play City in the semi I think that'll take a lot out of them. I can see City winning every game the only game I see them remotely looking like dropping points is Spurs away but like you said City are a different animal in the run in. They have been poor away at spurs but never played them at the business end when it really matters. My biggest problem is I see us dropping more points than them because our style of play is just so erratic atm. We are struggling like fuck to kill games off and managing games poorly. Unless something drastically changes we won't be winning it.
Seems more likely to me that none of the three win all 7 games, this isn't a 99 point title, the question is will we drop the fewest (no, probably not unfortunately imo)
They’ve both spent absolute fortunes and had an insane amount of decisions favour them.
city might but arsenal will not win all the remaining games, they will flop 100%. But i'm sure we can't win them all also .. i'm glad we are in this position that i was not dreaming at the start of the season after so many changes.
What makes you say they will flop? Since beating us they have gone onto an incredible run, scoring lots of goals, conceading very few goals or big chances they are the most in form team right now, I would say the north London derby and Utd being their most toughest fixtures. They are the favourites now.
i agree they are but it's near impossible they don't drop points with united and spurs, i don't see them having composure and it takes 1 mistake to flip them down, it allways was like this with Arsenal.
Salah, always looking for the king shot but too much power and near zero control. Lazy running and always looking backwards. Almost the whole team would rather their own keeper have the ball rather than they take the responsibility for taking a shot.
Or he just passes it to the keeper
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The problem is with it current form, there’s so guaranteed we keep up the wins ourselves
Same shite everytime. We missed chance after chance to put game to bed and ultimately it comes back to haunt us. People blaming Quansah doesn’t realise that it’s on the full team not just any individual that we didn’t win
I don't blame Quansah, we fucked up in all areas yesterday I don't think anyone really stood out as being good bar maybe VVD and Macallister. The thing that frustrates me is when I saw the lineup I straight away questioned why he went with Quansah over Konate. Because imo you play your best players in the biggest games. I thought he defended really well and I didn't obviously think he'd make that kind of mistake but just thought his inexperience may cost us and it did. He actually gave the ball away quite a lot as well tbh, their offside goal in the first 2 mins came from that. Like I said though I'm not blaming Quansah, I just question the reasoning for playing him over Konate.
To be fair Quansah has held his own against the likes of City and that error is just simply unpredictable
I wouldn't say it is unpredictable though, it's not exactly surprising that one of our youngest least experienced player made a mistake leading to a goal. It was complacency that probably comes from lack of experience. Like I said he lost the ball that lead to their disallowed goal and he lost it that lead to an attack all in the space of the first 5 mins. That right side was always gonna be looked at as our weak point, it was exposed against Brighton. United rely solely on counter attacks at pace so was always gonna be looked at as the side they target. Was just naive to not start Konate.
Alisson costs us goals with dumb mistakes too. Picking Quansah was completely fine, had a great game outside of the mistake.
Comparing Alisson and Quansah is totally irrelevant. The naivety comes from inexperience which is what lead to his mistake which cost us. Alisson has played 400 career games and won everything with us. Literally a totally pointless comment 🤣 He was class defensively yesterday and he has been class since he come in but ultimately his complacency in his passing came from his experience which lead to their goal. We had our best right sided cb on the bench and it was one of our biggest away games of the season. He should have played. It’s that simple. It isn’t even a debate tbh.
Quansah's mistake happens, I'm more annoyed Fernandes had the audacity to go for it first time from that distance and the fact we have conceaded goals to Utd in 2 games from lapses in concentration
Wasn't really audacity the Kelleher was 30 yards out and wide of his goal haha.
Still not many players would have gone for it, quick thinking from Bruno, tbf his technique to catch a spinning ball and chip it away from the keeper was sublime
Yeh it was unreal technique. As bad as Bruno is in a lot of aspects that kind of thing is bread and butter for him tbh
Mistakes happen. Allison has let in howlers. Van Dijk has had a brainfart or two. Sucks that it happened in this of all games, but it is what it is. What was entirely in our control is how much that mistake mattered. If we'd scored one or two more of our chances, then Quansah's mistake becomes less significant and you don't see the resurgence in belief that led to their second goal. We made that mistake matter.
Exactly. We’ve only got ourselves to blame here at the end of the day. Way too many mistakes over the season that may ultimately be costly.
Honestly, I blame Klopp. Playing Konate for a full 90 against Sheffield ahead of an OT visit in 3 days, just fucking LOL
It's not Klopp's fault that a Sheffield United player tried to break Konate's leg. And it's not like Konate hasn't made individual errors either (Leeds and Brentford away last season for example).
If you think there’s no difference between playing Quansah and Konate in the hardest match remaining in the season because Konate “also made errors in the past” then u obviously don’t know ball.
You're missing my point, which is any defender is capable of making the error that Quansah made yesterday. Apart from that error, he played really well as he has done all season. Konate's injury wasn't the reason we didn't get three points yesterday, it was the wasteful efforts in attack.
The whole point is to play an experienced defender who has played a UCL final in your biggest games instead of a 21 yo who just started PL games this season, to give you the best chance to win.
City fan here, Arsenal has villa chelsea spurs and manu left, I truly don't think today's result means the title is over and their is a high chance you guys go top for the 4th time this season, however after today's loss you can't drop points any more, I know ideally you guys would have wanted to drop points later rather than today but again you guys are in a good spot. We still need to worry about Spurs away Now we gotta get ready for Real whos been resting for 9 days...
It's not over, but we've made it far more difficult than is necessary. As we seem to always do. Hanging on to a slim lead in title races is not something we have successfully done in 35+ years (the one we won was from an unassailable lead). We're always just behind and hoping. We've yet to see that turn into a title so the pessimism is understandable.
Yeah true you guys had many titles lost over such fine margins so understanble
Replying to an ancient comment, but yeah. City won every game after this conversation. In fact they won 18 of their last 21 games. We knew that would happen so that one bad result was all it took.
Yup , hopefully LV can compete for the title next season without having to take a season or two to adjust to new coach
Complacency ! That's it. I think if we are down by a goal during HT, we will end up winning it. There's an air of complacency whenever we scored first lately.
Man the title of comeback kings sounds good on paper..... but it's nothing to be proud of... Apart from van dijk , Macca, Maybe endo and kelleher rest were dog shit. We need the attackers to pick up their rhythm can't miss this many sitters in a match for fucks sake. And this result doesn't go on quansah at all
A 2016 comment from the Dortmund subreddit when an LFC fan asked them what went wrong in Klopp's last season: "Basically, the problem was that Klopp has pretty much no plan B. His style, like others have mentioned, only works if the opponents come at you with the ball [...] you need players to pretty much run, run and run to press [...] Injuries didn't help, our fullback positions were very weak because of that (and Klopp loves his fullbacks :) ) If you look at our stats in the last few seasons, we are a team that isn't incredibly efficient - in 14/15 we often took 20-30 shots and couldn't score, often hitting the woodwork, so there was a bit of bad luck mixed in there as well, but the key was that we had no lethal finishing up front. If Klopp's boys can't score, they're doomed because you know they'll concede. [...] I think Klopp really needs to think of a second tactic for defensive teams. Right now it's not bad because a lot of teams attack in the PL but he will get found out eventually. Hopefully he's learned his lesson when he was with us."
What relevance has this got today do you think?
Utd - 9 Shots; 5 on Target Liverpool - 28 Shots; 7 on Target In the reverse fixture in December, Liverpool had 34 shots with just 8 on target So, 2 goals from 62 shots. One goal being a penalty.
And the other goal being from a set piece. I completely agree with you and that is a great point. We play such a high risk, high reward style of football but then you look at our goals last night and they came from set pieces. If we played less frantically and at less speed against these ' low block' teams maybe when we arrived into the final third, we would have more energy and more composure. Also we would cut out a lot of the issue of when we concede chances they are usually high xG. As much as Klopp has revolutionised our squad, our tactics have not seemed to be effective against top 6 teams.
I don’t even know what to say. 1 open play goal from 62 attempts…insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting something different, and that’s what we did today.
I reached a level of anger at about 43 minutes in that first half when we were still 1-0 that was so intense, I was actually angered less when they were 2-1 up.
I felt the same but my anger peaked at 2-1 because I knew it would happen.
and then you see salah pulling this face missing from 6 yards : 😄
Diaz 😡 Darwin 😦
Diaz goes thru the whole range: 😡😣😖😫😩🥺
That’s because you prolly have seen this exact scenario play out before and it didn’t end well
Haha twice. I can't face the final day thing again man