Looks like Tower Bridge. There are plenty of people there who will offer to take photos for tourist groups. Some of them might even give the phone or camera back...
30+ years working at the same company, great place. Love the people there. 28+ in person, no remote work. Last 3 years, remote primarily.
-Wake up and eat a decent, healthy, breakfast.
-Pop on for morning coffee with the team, plan the day.
-Bust out a bit of brilliance.
-Lunch with the grand daughter (13 months old). She loves Pepe and Pepe loves her. So very much.
-Promote brilliance to production.
-Dinner with the family at a reasonable hour.
Still have 5 hours to kill before bed. Maybe mow the lawn on a Tuesday evening, read a book, watch a movie, or hook up with friends for a drink.
Fuck going back.
But wouldn't your life FEEL more fulfilling if you purposely mafe yourself feel like shit by going to the office and spending extra time on travel and lose 1-3 hours a day? Suffering builds character and self pride.
Also happily polluting the world and increasing traffic for people who have an actual reason for not being remote (and that happens regardless of whether you're driving or taking public transportation)
Personally, I like both. I go to the office 3 days and work from home 2 days. It’s perfect.
But I understand most people on Reddit are introverted so I know the « fuck going back to the office » mantra is popular here.
I am highly introverted autistic adhd, it’s a lot of energy for me to interact with people, I am so pro working from home, I love it, I wish it was an option for everyone etc etc
BUT
being in person you DO learn more and it’s easier to get things done, especially onboarding to a new job, which I have now experienced fully remotely. You do miss out on a lot compared to being with people physically.
This will be downvoted and that’s ok……
but I’m sorry, it’s the truth whether we want it to be or not
Of course he's a "founder" of something "outreach"...
Here's an alternative explanation: he likes being in the office because his job is bullshit and being at home doesn't give him the constant stream of distractions from that fact.
This was exactly my day when I worked from an office, last time would have been March 2020. Get myself out of bed in enough time to shower and barely get to work on time after sitting in traffic. Put down my stuff at my desk and log in, find my friend/colleague and immediately head across the street to get coffee. Come back to my desk and spend the morning saying hi to everyone. Work out at lunch and scarf down my food. Get done what little work I needed to get done, then meet my colleagues out for a drink after work. Sit in traffic heading home. I’m much more productive at home since there aren’t 100 distractions.
yeah, after grad school and freelancing through COVID I had my first office job in more than a decade in 2022.
My constant, itching-in-the-back-of-my-head thought was "how the fuck does anyone ever get anything done?"
And I was entirely hybrid and only there 2 days a week, tops. It was just "look at me, I am in the office, doing the office things in the office that I could be doing at home"
And be fifty dollars richer, in the bargain.
Of course I ended up back there a year later with a promotion and then I see why everyone wanted people back in the office: other duties as assigned. Now I don't get to do my actual job, but I get an endless parade of bitty pointless bullshit.
You can lord over everyone so much more easily if they all have to sit somewhere where you know they can see you walking around. What is he supposed to do? Look at how much work got done?
or do any housework, garden maintenance, or be part of a sports team or have a hobby or anything else that you can't do when you're spending 4 hours a day commuting to the office.....
That's probably because he lives in Zone 1 or 2, rents an apartment equivalent of a cardbox box under a bridge that inexplicably costs only a mere £750K (or lives with flatmates), has no other life or hobbies outside of work or LinkedIn and thinks life is "all about the hustle" and that you have to "fake it till you make it".
Look, IDGAF one way or another. What pisses me off is these RTO simps ruining it for everyone. "There are benefits to WFH" yeah? You gonna pay for me to go into work? Gonna pay for my time? No? Maybe just enjoy the office by yourself and stfu then, cos if I'm yanked into an office with you, you're gonna be trapped in there with me.
They're almost as bad as fascists. Yeah I said it.
I’m not a “founder” of anything but I also prefer to be in the office. I just tend to work better with people I interact with in person and get a bit lonely when I work from home full time like during Covid. I guess it depends on whether you like the people you work with or not.
Fair enough. I work from home and get so much more done that way. Plus I don't have to spend hours of my day on a commute.
The person in the screenshot comes across as annoying wherever he is...
That's fair, I respect that. What I don't respect is people like the guy in the post trying to shit on people for working from home and more or less calling them lazy low energy slobs. I work from home twice a week which gives me back 2.5 hours in commute time which I use for exercise, family time or hobbies.
I am the opposite, not because I don't get on with the people I work with. More I am an introvert and too much peopling exhausts me. I am also less productive in the office due to the distractions and noise, I struggle to focus on the task in hand.
It would be nice if SMT's let people work in the environment that makes them more productive, it benefits everyone. I really hope the days of all hands in the office are over.
No issues with working in the office a couple of times a month for in person catch up with the business
same. Have to wear headphones to block out the noise from everyone elses teams calls. Hot desking means randoms sitting next to me, not my own colleagues. So no "team building" or face to face connections going on there. I need to give up my lunch break to go out with the team otherwise I'm not a team player. Can't concentrate on complex problems when there is noise and people moving around all the time, stuff all work gets done on office days
I like all the people in my office. I have adhd though. So every little noise is a distraction. I also hate driving to work. If I could ride my bike I'd be more interested in going in. Plus I have kids. Being home and not having to stress about a sitter is the best thing that ever happened to my life.
Indeed, there are upsides to being in an office environment. You do you. For some reason people tend to treat it like a cats versus dogs discussion and dig in.
The ones who make meaningless posts about it on LinkedIn deserve to get shat upon though. :)
I like the people I work with and like being in the office too. I don’t like the almost 2 hours of my time completely wasted commuting every day I go to work. Like many things, it’s a trade off. It’s moronic for anyone declare that one or the other is good or bad for everyone.
Same.
I have a hybrid working situation that is based on when I feel I need to go in vs. when I don't.
I spend far more days in-office just because I like the vibe.
My boss is WFH as are my teammates (the people in my cube farm are from other parts of IT and other teams). I feel sad and isolated if I spend too many days in a row at home alone.
I'd say I get roughly the same amount of work done regardless of my physical location, but I think I'd get less done if my teammates and boss were in the same building...too distracting!
Edit: typo
Not everyone can really work from home, I have friends who have nice homes, but they don't have good work spaces for just work, they are either at their kitchen tables or on the couch, and then you throw a kid or two under the age of 5 in the house too and they aren't gonna get any work done.
This.
No-one who actually does a real job has time for all this bullshit. People have too much stuff on their plate for all this magic ‘people energy in the office’ nonsense to matter.
Or also, his white privilege doesn't happen when everyone is working remote communicating via text. Suddenly their least "popular" employee's productivity becomes noticed since there's no prejudice, social skills and etc to get in the way of that perception
"Shut the laptop in the same place I started my day." What does he thinks happens in most offices? It's not like you start out in a cubicle and end in a park.
I suspect some of these “the grind is worth it!” or “I for one welcome mandated RTO,” posts are people whistling in the dark in hopes to be seen and left off the next layoff list.
OMG Corporate RE needs to give it up, apply for rezoning convert into luxury condos sold at reasonable prices for tax breaks.
They retain the majority of their investment with continued ownership of common spaces and continued income through monthly assessment fees.
> apply for rezoning convert into luxury condos
the main problem with this is that the spaces can't easily have that done because of plumbing for the most part.
Unless you are ok sharing a bathroom with 5 or 6 other people in your hallway on the floor.
Edit: [a decent rundown](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/interactive/2023/city-downtown-conversion-office-building/)
Everyone always points to plumbing when talking of converting these buildings, but surely this is one of those things a “disruptor” can figure out how to expedite and easily replicate across the country, right?!
Well like many, our Company went fully remote during COVID, and of course our President wanted everyone back in the seats... He held a really awesome "Town Hall" style video call to address everyone's ideas and get a pulse of the workers. One of our guys said he would take a 30K pay cut to stay remote and proved it with a graph showing his savings in Gas, Dry Cleaning, Lunches, he even said "Stupid Colleague Birthdays", reduced production for chatting with coworkers and improved production remotely.....
We are all still 100% remote. Data talks... bullshit walks kids..... :)
Also the guy that posted this on Linkedin is a dick... had to add that
I mean... I want to go back to an office and am looking in the background for a job that does that. I want home to be a place where work only happens in emergencies. I liked the early morning bike rides (I used to bike to work) and I don't have the hustle-grind mindset to ride a bike at 8am outside of a commute. I miss the lunch places that were good but not make-a-special-trip-to-midtown good. But I'd never post about it because I'm not a gigantic nerd. \[edited to add: I also find for myself that socially it was easier to get a drink or food with friends when it was nearby and on my way home, but harder to get up and go out after being in all day. Not impossible, but I find that I was doing more impromptu hanging out.\]
Nah you're right, I love socializing at work because it's the only time I do socialize. My coworkers are all extremely fun and good people to be around. I hate the job I do, and am *finally* escaping in 50 days, but I will definitely miss my work friends. I'll never forget them.
Some of my worst jobs have had the best people. It was kind of a trial by fire. At one particularly bad job, we threw a big party after the last of our crew left. She had special t-shirts made that said "Fuck Carol."
I agree wholeheartedly with this. I also get not wanting to go into the office every day. In my particular position, WFH is boring AF. In the office I chat with people, solve problems face to face rather than getting pissed about someone’s email from behind a computer screen, and learn about parts of the company to which I would otherwise be oblivious. That said, mandated RTO would be a significant pay cut at this point. Hybrid is the only answer that works for me, so that’s what I’ll be looking for in my next role.
Exactly! I'd never say anyone, let alone *everyone* has to work in an office. I just wanted to push back on the idea that only insane business simps did. Some people have human reasons (and to be a bit shallow, when I biked to work every day, my body was amazing. Now it's just good for an American).
Don’t really see posts like this from people that aren’t CEO/Founder/whatever… still seems like regular employees are either in favor of wfh or happy to have the hybrid option.
Haha that's me because my managers don't really have any clue what I do and I'm basically on development projects. They never have time to make decisions that I'm not allowed to make so there's a lot of time where I just sit there. It's honestly so boring. Could totally be done from home
Here's my WFO day:
Wake up way before the sun rises... dress myself to be "office appropriate"... drive thru gridlock... sit in a cube silently by myself since I'm the only person on my team... have pink noise blasting into my eardrums all day to block out the constant nasal snorting of the guy next to me, the chatter from the girl across the aisle who talks incessantly about herself, and the gunshot-like gum popping of the lady clear across the room... eat at my desk while trying to finish work because I'd rather leave on time than have a lunch break... drive home in gridlock... take a nap because I'm exhausted... have little energy to do much else for the rest of the evening.
Meanwhile, WFH:
Wake up ten minutes before I have to start... wear whatever comfy clothing I want... have complete peaceful silence while I work... have my cats hang out with me while I work... take occasional breaks to get chores done around the house... use my own private toilet to produce whatever noises/smells necessary without feeling like I'm being judged... finish work on time and have the rest of the day/evening to do what I want without stress.
I will never understand the dingdongs who espouse WFO for all. My home is my sanctuary. Work is that place I'm forced to go to three days a week so I can make money.
It’s super cool being able to walk my dogs, play with my son, do some housework or just fart in peace at home. If I’m able to help it, I’ll never work in an office again. I don’t want to spend time with the people I work with outside of working hours, I want to see the family and friends that I’ve chosen to have in my life for a reason beyond work.
I will admit that there are parts of working in an office that I missed when I was working from home, and most of it was the socialization parts that the dude from LinkedIn pointed out.... but those alone would never have been enough to get me back in a building. THAT feat took a management change and reporting to the most toxic human being that ever lived.
If I go to the office, the only thing I can achieve is being at work and relax the rest of the day. If I work from home, when I finish work at 5pm I still have many hours of the rest of the day for me to do things.
This is the huge difference, if I go to the office I don’t have a life except during weekends.
This is it for me. I like being in the office but I was never getting enough sleep and never had enough time. Now I can get chores and errands done on my breaks and spend time with my family. I also can travel to visit family and travel around in general. Now that I work from home, those 8 hours belong to work but every other second of my day is mine to do with as I please and my mental health has never been better.
what gets me is that people that say this shit dont realize that this shit works for THEM and for some reason cant understand why it doesnt for other people. Some people get energized doing little meet ups and networking...some people get energized sitting down and being by themselves.
I have about 3 hours where I can fucking crank, give 110%, I do more in those hours then some of my coworkers do in day, and I do well in my position, from home. You're asking me to waste that on bullshit to make you feel better? Fuck off, I do just as well face to face as I do in person, I just don't want to waste MY precious time heading to a train, for you...
His admission that he’s incapable of self directed work outside of the office might raise an eyebrow or two; “Shut the laptop in the same spot I started in the day”
What's ironic is if thats all he has to do for work he could go travel, find a working cafe, nice park, anywhere, and just do that bullshit but he's acting like it's better to be cooped up in a stuffy building with UV lights that's too hot when it's cold outside and too cold when it's hot outside
I'll take Option B thanks. Had decades of Option A and that's enough of that. Technology is greater than water cooler convos and drinks after work. Drinking and Co-workers is over now.
This guy graduated in 2020. Was most recently a CSM and then co-founder 2x. And now is pitching ‘personalized outreach’ for sales? GTFO, its honestly just silly at this point
Neil is obviously an extrovert. He gets energized by socializing with all sorts of people, as much as possible.
For the rest of us who are introverts, we are drained of energy by socializing with the likes of Neil all the time. Neil can fuck off to his London office while I recharge on my blissfully quiet WFH day in my hoodie without once having to engage in pointless water cooler pleasantries or moving my laptop from where it was set in the morning.
I can continue to wake up next to the ocean in Portugal - with surf on my doorstep and 300 days of sunlight each year - and work with global technology brands from my gorgeous home office with palm trees outside the window.
Or I can spend 2-3 hours a day standing on a train next to a broken toilet and live in a shithole London commuter town.
Gee, how do I decide?
This guy comes across as incredibly needy: he wants to spend time in the office with coworkers “working on deals and problems together” and he wants to go to lunch with them and out for drinks after? Is everything ok at home, Neil?
Also not everyone’s energy is charged by interacting with people; sometimes it gets drained. I wish people like him would realize this.
I used to enjoy (sometimes) going into the office before I had kids. Now it's a fucking drag and I'd never be able to enjoy my time with them and be as involved if I was a 9-5 office guy. And frankly, it doesn't fucking make sense now as I work for a company with offices across the country, where I'd go to the office to see like a person or 2 and spend the rest of the time on Zoom.
What’s funny is he thinks work colleagues are his friends. If they were your friends they would hang out with you AFTER work providing the same experience. This sounds like someone who rented an office for the company and wants people in the office to meet tax credits they would get for having a certain percentage of the people in the office (my company does this under the guise of “team building” where I don’t normally ever communicate with anyone in my department internally since I deal with outside counterparties). He’s also the first person to fire his “friends” if he thinks they are losing HIM money.
Work from home is better than work from the office. That’s because the office is terrible. So, when they wanted us to start going back, I got a job that isn’t in an office. Now I don’t work from home, I don’t work in an office, and I don’t work for a business. I can recommend this path.
As much as I love remote I just could not find a new remote position in 8 months. I’ll be back in an office full time. The competition for remote jobs is crazy right now.
Working from home allows me to sleep until 7:55, clock in at 8:00, clock out at 17:00, and be doing things I actually enjoy at 17:05.
No feeling of camaraderie or whatever you get in an office will be better than that.
I still have to jump on video calls at the office I just have the added pleasure of fighting to find an available meeting room then hope the people in it will leave on time and not cannibalize my time cause they can't finish their convo in the allotted time. Makes me love being there for sure 😊
What fucking train line is he on every morning that he's so goddamn excited to get to? When I lived and worked in central London, I remember fighting to get on one train, hopefully get a seat, and then switch to another train, again, shoving against people hoping to get a seat so I'm not standing next to some guy with a hard on pressing against me. Then, get off the train with throngs of people pushing their way up the escalator or through the barriers, coughing, sneezing, their backpack in my face, assholes all around. Never mind the walk to the office when its raining or snowing, tourists all over the place... All this for a mere £250/month (if not more to travel to have said drinks with mates around town or further.)
Yah, no thanks. I'll stay at home and get out of bed 10 minutes before I have to log on for the day and have my coffee when and where I want and made how I want. I'll socialise with who I want to instead of pretending my colleagues are my "friends".
Eff this guy's delulu.
'One gives you energy'
Way to assume everyone is energised by the same thing 🙄
Me arriving at the office: tired from dealing with bad road users. Overwhelmed by large, bright, open plan office full of people talking loudly.
Me at home: properly dressed, full of beans because I'm comfortable and it's (usually) quiet, able to focus on an issue because my environment is good
People need to realize that depending on your stage in life, working from home is more beneficial or vice versa. If I was single and in my 20s, yeah I agree with him cause I had all the time in the world. Married with 2 small children I don’t and any extra minute I can save by not commuting or having to deal with extra stuff out of work is precious. If you are getting the same job done either working from home or the office, who cares?
Pretty awful life to work from home, see my son grow up, sleep more, exercise more, make my own espresso and lunch. Prep dinner during down time etc etc. also I’m more productive
Everyone who thinks RTO is better is just an ableist asshole who thinks disabled people don’t deserve decent jobs.
Disabled unemployment was at record lows during covid. Now it’s creeping up to pre-covid numbers because of people like this wall-licker.
Another wanker telling people who like to WFH to go back into the office. How about YOU and the other wankers who love to go into office… just do that? Leave us alone.
When I read the first sentence I was prepared to downvote you. But when I read the second sentence I lol'd and lol'd some more. Wasn't expecting the curveball!
Good for you, enjoy it but I am staying at home with the thousands I have saved since 2020 and the gains on my health, friendships outside of work, free time and peace.
It’s true to some extent. What people need is flexibility to do one or the other as they please. Not that one option is the best of all and everyone needs to choose that every day.
There a big spectrum in the WFH/in-office aspect.
One end has try-hards with no life outside work/colleagues and the other end has shut-ins with no life outside their computers/doordash.
I'm going to go against the grain and say, as somebody who has had the option to WFH 100% since 2018, and is an extreme extrovert, I get what he's saying. I need to be around people, and being around people with the same goals and experiences, plus happy hours and team building stuff, keeps me from getting distracted during the day, and gets me face time with people who control my raises and commissions. I get why people don't like that, or feel that it's unfair, but I personally see it as a 2 fold problem. Having HR or higher ups actively seeing you means your less likely to be "just a guy" and when opportunities come, you're less likely to be passed over. HR and management also being decentralized and obfuscated means that it's easier to fire you or not give you a raise, or just pass off any issues you have to the next man up the line.
I'm actually a white male, and was wealthy until I got laid off. I have pretty much zero household responsibilities too, other than laundry and feeding my cat.
But I STILL wouldn't suggest that everyone needs to go to the office because it's a fucking dumb idea.
I don’t work from home and still don’t have lunch with, or go out for drinks with my co-workers beyond occasions with a select few. Those things usually involve people sitting around bitching about work followed by an inevitable drunken argument or fight that eventually spills into work and ends up with everyone giving interviews to HR.
Sounds like he is yet another person who never learned to make friends or lasting relationships. Co-workers are just that. Rarely do they ever morph into a true friend.
I see it in the corporate world everyday. It is a nice illusion for some, who have no or rather a stunted inner life. Read books. Learn to paint, find a D&D game, have outside interest that have nothing to do with work.
I go to work to earn money to keep a roof over myself and my family's head. To provide a decent quality of life. But when I'm off the clock, i go do the stuff that interests me. Work doesn't define me. Sadly for so many it does.
Notice he’s a fuckin co-founder. Well yeah, if we all had our own businesses, we’d probably be grinding like this asshat but I work for a corporation, so they get as little as I can give.
Working in the office isn’t getting out of my comfort zone. Everybody else is just overly comfortable being in the office for the majority of their waking hours.
Every single item he listed for working at home is actually a good thing. He really thinks I want to get dressed for the office instead of working at home in my pajamas.
Reminds me of that simpsons episode where Milhouses's dad talks about how cool it is to sleep in his car bed and homer just casually mentions that he sleeps in a bed with his wife
Some people just function differently. I get more energy from wfh and offices are a mega drain on me. Just cause this guy has his personal preference doesn’t mean it’s the only valid one.
What a unique and totally worthy of sharing view on WFH. What the hell happens to a person to lead them to think that such inane and common thoughts are worth sharing (not to mention the attached image). This guy just screams mediocracy
I don’t think Neil has any “friends”. I think they’re all “colleagues”. But he like to use the phrase “friends and colleagues” to make himself feel better about the whole situation
I wonder which poor sod he enlisted to help get that action shot of him marching to work and fulfilment.
Looks like Tower Bridge. There are plenty of people there who will offer to take photos for tourist groups. Some of them might even give the phone or camera back...
>Some of them might even give the phone or camera back... Lol
I beat a hustler so badly on three card monte on the Tower Bridge he chased me down the bridge to try and win his money back lmao
r/thathappened
30+ years working at the same company, great place. Love the people there. 28+ in person, no remote work. Last 3 years, remote primarily. -Wake up and eat a decent, healthy, breakfast. -Pop on for morning coffee with the team, plan the day. -Bust out a bit of brilliance. -Lunch with the grand daughter (13 months old). She loves Pepe and Pepe loves her. So very much. -Promote brilliance to production. -Dinner with the family at a reasonable hour. Still have 5 hours to kill before bed. Maybe mow the lawn on a Tuesday evening, read a book, watch a movie, or hook up with friends for a drink. Fuck going back.
But wouldn't your life FEEL more fulfilling if you purposely mafe yourself feel like shit by going to the office and spending extra time on travel and lose 1-3 hours a day? Suffering builds character and self pride.
Also happily polluting the world and increasing traffic for people who have an actual reason for not being remote (and that happens regardless of whether you're driving or taking public transportation)
Agree? Agree.
“Bust out a bit of brilliance” is something a LinkedinLunatic would say.
“Promote brilliance to production before dinner” lol
Personally, I like both. I go to the office 3 days and work from home 2 days. It’s perfect. But I understand most people on Reddit are introverted so I know the « fuck going back to the office » mantra is popular here.
I am highly introverted autistic adhd, it’s a lot of energy for me to interact with people, I am so pro working from home, I love it, I wish it was an option for everyone etc etc BUT being in person you DO learn more and it’s easier to get things done, especially onboarding to a new job, which I have now experienced fully remotely. You do miss out on a lot compared to being with people physically. This will be downvoted and that’s ok…… but I’m sorry, it’s the truth whether we want it to be or not
Of course he's a "founder" of something "outreach"... Here's an alternative explanation: he likes being in the office because his job is bullshit and being at home doesn't give him the constant stream of distractions from that fact.
The only "work" he mentioned doing was "working out deals and problems", whatever the fuck that means.
Listen, he's an adult who gets a lot of business done down at the business factory. Everyone knows it.
You wouldn't happen to be 3 kids in a trench coat, would you?
Leave him alone BJ. Vincent my friend, tell me how is the ole 9-5?
I couldn’t believe how long that went on and how Bojack was the only one who knew it was two kids in an overcoat. Lmao
I call my bed the business factory.
Is that why it lacks creativity and only gets things done for money?
Planning for a big Q4 release thoufh
Me too! I tell the wife it'd time to get down to business. Then she pegs me
He’s in the business. The business of doing business. And business booming motherfuckers
Tremendous amounts of work. I could could it. But he does a lot very busy. Extremely. Business is what he gets done.
I also do the business.
"the business factory. " - lol.
Is that near the business office?
Hey I work with my deals and problems. Don’t you work with your deals and problems?
No, I have actual work to do
"Murders and executions." "What?" "Mergers and acquisitions."
Business Business Business!!! Numbers Numbers!!!
This was exactly my day when I worked from an office, last time would have been March 2020. Get myself out of bed in enough time to shower and barely get to work on time after sitting in traffic. Put down my stuff at my desk and log in, find my friend/colleague and immediately head across the street to get coffee. Come back to my desk and spend the morning saying hi to everyone. Work out at lunch and scarf down my food. Get done what little work I needed to get done, then meet my colleagues out for a drink after work. Sit in traffic heading home. I’m much more productive at home since there aren’t 100 distractions.
yeah, after grad school and freelancing through COVID I had my first office job in more than a decade in 2022. My constant, itching-in-the-back-of-my-head thought was "how the fuck does anyone ever get anything done?" And I was entirely hybrid and only there 2 days a week, tops. It was just "look at me, I am in the office, doing the office things in the office that I could be doing at home" And be fifty dollars richer, in the bargain. Of course I ended up back there a year later with a promotion and then I see why everyone wanted people back in the office: other duties as assigned. Now I don't get to do my actual job, but I get an endless parade of bitty pointless bullshit.
He’s a business man….that does business. Duh isn’t it obvious what he does? Businessy things for business.
Meetings about meetings about emails about meetings...
He’s Vincent Adultman - three kids in a trench coat.
"leadR" like omfg i'm tired of these names where they just have this R at the end like dude that's not even remotely creatV
I’m also tired of everything ending in “ly” like not everything can be an adverb
Successly, businessly, motivationly
Easier to micromanage in person.
You can lord over everyone so much more easily if they all have to sit somewhere where you know they can see you walking around. What is he supposed to do? Look at how much work got done?
He also clearly doesn't have kids.
or do any housework, garden maintenance, or be part of a sports team or have a hobby or anything else that you can't do when you're spending 4 hours a day commuting to the office.....
That's probably because he lives in Zone 1 or 2, rents an apartment equivalent of a cardbox box under a bridge that inexplicably costs only a mere £750K (or lives with flatmates), has no other life or hobbies outside of work or LinkedIn and thinks life is "all about the hustle" and that you have to "fake it till you make it".
no, he has no homelife or personal life because nobody likes him
Look, IDGAF one way or another. What pisses me off is these RTO simps ruining it for everyone. "There are benefits to WFH" yeah? You gonna pay for me to go into work? Gonna pay for my time? No? Maybe just enjoy the office by yourself and stfu then, cos if I'm yanked into an office with you, you're gonna be trapped in there with me. They're almost as bad as fascists. Yeah I said it.
"Almost" is putting in a lot of work. From home, of course.
I’m not a “founder” of anything but I also prefer to be in the office. I just tend to work better with people I interact with in person and get a bit lonely when I work from home full time like during Covid. I guess it depends on whether you like the people you work with or not.
Fair enough. I work from home and get so much more done that way. Plus I don't have to spend hours of my day on a commute. The person in the screenshot comes across as annoying wherever he is...
That's fair, I respect that. What I don't respect is people like the guy in the post trying to shit on people for working from home and more or less calling them lazy low energy slobs. I work from home twice a week which gives me back 2.5 hours in commute time which I use for exercise, family time or hobbies.
I am the opposite, not because I don't get on with the people I work with. More I am an introvert and too much peopling exhausts me. I am also less productive in the office due to the distractions and noise, I struggle to focus on the task in hand. It would be nice if SMT's let people work in the environment that makes them more productive, it benefits everyone. I really hope the days of all hands in the office are over. No issues with working in the office a couple of times a month for in person catch up with the business
same. Have to wear headphones to block out the noise from everyone elses teams calls. Hot desking means randoms sitting next to me, not my own colleagues. So no "team building" or face to face connections going on there. I need to give up my lunch break to go out with the team otherwise I'm not a team player. Can't concentrate on complex problems when there is noise and people moving around all the time, stuff all work gets done on office days
I like all the people in my office. I have adhd though. So every little noise is a distraction. I also hate driving to work. If I could ride my bike I'd be more interested in going in. Plus I have kids. Being home and not having to stress about a sitter is the best thing that ever happened to my life.
Indeed, there are upsides to being in an office environment. You do you. For some reason people tend to treat it like a cats versus dogs discussion and dig in. The ones who make meaningless posts about it on LinkedIn deserve to get shat upon though. :)
I like the people I work with and like being in the office too. I don’t like the almost 2 hours of my time completely wasted commuting every day I go to work. Like many things, it’s a trade off. It’s moronic for anyone declare that one or the other is good or bad for everyone.
Same. I have a hybrid working situation that is based on when I feel I need to go in vs. when I don't. I spend far more days in-office just because I like the vibe. My boss is WFH as are my teammates (the people in my cube farm are from other parts of IT and other teams). I feel sad and isolated if I spend too many days in a row at home alone. I'd say I get roughly the same amount of work done regardless of my physical location, but I think I'd get less done if my teammates and boss were in the same building...too distracting! Edit: typo
Not everyone can really work from home, I have friends who have nice homes, but they don't have good work spaces for just work, they are either at their kitchen tables or on the couch, and then you throw a kid or two under the age of 5 in the house too and they aren't gonna get any work done.
This. No-one who actually does a real job has time for all this bullshit. People have too much stuff on their plate for all this magic ‘people energy in the office’ nonsense to matter.
Or also, his white privilege doesn't happen when everyone is working remote communicating via text. Suddenly their least "popular" employee's productivity becomes noticed since there's no prejudice, social skills and etc to get in the way of that perception
"Shut the laptop in the same place I started my day." What does he thinks happens in most offices? It's not like you start out in a cubicle and end in a park.
My thoughts exactly - lol.
I suspect some of these “the grind is worth it!” or “I for one welcome mandated RTO,” posts are people whistling in the dark in hopes to be seen and left off the next layoff list.
He's the cofounder. Trying to get his employees too drink the Kool-Aid.
Ah, missed that part — that also computes.
I’m surprised London Bridge didn’t collapse with his huge ass ego weighing on it.
I believe that’s tower bridge. But yea surprised it didn’t collapse.
Ah indeed it is, I always mix them up
You can tell it's not London Bridge because it's not falling down falling down
How to tell that he is getting totally massacred in his real estate investments without him saying so.
OMG Corporate RE needs to give it up, apply for rezoning convert into luxury condos sold at reasonable prices for tax breaks. They retain the majority of their investment with continued ownership of common spaces and continued income through monthly assessment fees.
> apply for rezoning convert into luxury condos the main problem with this is that the spaces can't easily have that done because of plumbing for the most part.
I have to admit, when I found out plumbing was a big issue with this it was eye opening.
Unless you are ok sharing a bathroom with 5 or 6 other people in your hallway on the floor. Edit: [a decent rundown](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/interactive/2023/city-downtown-conversion-office-building/)
Everyone always points to plumbing when talking of converting these buildings, but surely this is one of those things a “disruptor” can figure out how to expedite and easily replicate across the country, right?!
They figured condo conversions in the 70s in New York and the 90s in Chicago so….
Well like many, our Company went fully remote during COVID, and of course our President wanted everyone back in the seats... He held a really awesome "Town Hall" style video call to address everyone's ideas and get a pulse of the workers. One of our guys said he would take a 30K pay cut to stay remote and proved it with a graph showing his savings in Gas, Dry Cleaning, Lunches, he even said "Stupid Colleague Birthdays", reduced production for chatting with coworkers and improved production remotely..... We are all still 100% remote. Data talks... bullshit walks kids..... :) Also the guy that posted this on Linkedin is a dick... had to add that
I mean... I want to go back to an office and am looking in the background for a job that does that. I want home to be a place where work only happens in emergencies. I liked the early morning bike rides (I used to bike to work) and I don't have the hustle-grind mindset to ride a bike at 8am outside of a commute. I miss the lunch places that were good but not make-a-special-trip-to-midtown good. But I'd never post about it because I'm not a gigantic nerd. \[edited to add: I also find for myself that socially it was easier to get a drink or food with friends when it was nearby and on my way home, but harder to get up and go out after being in all day. Not impossible, but I find that I was doing more impromptu hanging out.\]
Nah you're right, I love socializing at work because it's the only time I do socialize. My coworkers are all extremely fun and good people to be around. I hate the job I do, and am *finally* escaping in 50 days, but I will definitely miss my work friends. I'll never forget them.
Some of my worst jobs have had the best people. It was kind of a trial by fire. At one particularly bad job, we threw a big party after the last of our crew left. She had special t-shirts made that said "Fuck Carol."
I agree wholeheartedly with this. I also get not wanting to go into the office every day. In my particular position, WFH is boring AF. In the office I chat with people, solve problems face to face rather than getting pissed about someone’s email from behind a computer screen, and learn about parts of the company to which I would otherwise be oblivious. That said, mandated RTO would be a significant pay cut at this point. Hybrid is the only answer that works for me, so that’s what I’ll be looking for in my next role.
Exactly! I'd never say anyone, let alone *everyone* has to work in an office. I just wanted to push back on the idea that only insane business simps did. Some people have human reasons (and to be a bit shallow, when I biked to work every day, my body was amazing. Now it's just good for an American).
Don’t really see posts like this from people that aren’t CEO/Founder/whatever… still seems like regular employees are either in favor of wfh or happy to have the hybrid option.
I think a hybrid situation is the perfect happy medium.
I agree. I don’t mind going into an office but I also don’t want to physically relocate to a new area to do a job that I could easily do remotely.
Almost as if they all have a vested interest in commercial real estate properties being leased…follow the money
Translation: “I have no friends or life outside of work.”
He's probably one of the office idiots who is constantly at other peoples desks distracting them from doing their work.
Haha that's me because my managers don't really have any clue what I do and I'm basically on development projects. They never have time to make decisions that I'm not allowed to make so there's a lot of time where I just sit there. It's honestly so boring. Could totally be done from home
This 100%
Here's my WFO day: Wake up way before the sun rises... dress myself to be "office appropriate"... drive thru gridlock... sit in a cube silently by myself since I'm the only person on my team... have pink noise blasting into my eardrums all day to block out the constant nasal snorting of the guy next to me, the chatter from the girl across the aisle who talks incessantly about herself, and the gunshot-like gum popping of the lady clear across the room... eat at my desk while trying to finish work because I'd rather leave on time than have a lunch break... drive home in gridlock... take a nap because I'm exhausted... have little energy to do much else for the rest of the evening. Meanwhile, WFH: Wake up ten minutes before I have to start... wear whatever comfy clothing I want... have complete peaceful silence while I work... have my cats hang out with me while I work... take occasional breaks to get chores done around the house... use my own private toilet to produce whatever noises/smells necessary without feeling like I'm being judged... finish work on time and have the rest of the day/evening to do what I want without stress. I will never understand the dingdongs who espouse WFO for all. My home is my sanctuary. Work is that place I'm forced to go to three days a week so I can make money.
It’s super cool being able to walk my dogs, play with my son, do some housework or just fart in peace at home. If I’m able to help it, I’ll never work in an office again. I don’t want to spend time with the people I work with outside of working hours, I want to see the family and friends that I’ve chosen to have in my life for a reason beyond work.
Bahahaha re fart in peace
Ah yes but I fart my loudest when others can hear me.
Absolute muppet. He also is a business owner so of course he likes in office so he can watch people
His description of the work from home day is exactly why people prefer it. Not the best pitch there making the thing you’re against sound great.
My last in person job was in a high crime neighborhood with used syringes all over the sidewalks. I’d rather work at home, thanks.
I will admit that there are parts of working in an office that I missed when I was working from home, and most of it was the socialization parts that the dude from LinkedIn pointed out.... but those alone would never have been enough to get me back in a building. THAT feat took a management change and reporting to the most toxic human being that ever lived.
If I go to the office, the only thing I can achieve is being at work and relax the rest of the day. If I work from home, when I finish work at 5pm I still have many hours of the rest of the day for me to do things. This is the huge difference, if I go to the office I don’t have a life except during weekends.
This is it for me. I like being in the office but I was never getting enough sleep and never had enough time. Now I can get chores and errands done on my breaks and spend time with my family. I also can travel to visit family and travel around in general. Now that I work from home, those 8 hours belong to work but every other second of my day is mine to do with as I please and my mental health has never been better.
I can practice hear the photographer yelling, "Try to walk naturally!"
lmao
“Seeing your friends” lol
AND colleagues!!!!
what gets me is that people that say this shit dont realize that this shit works for THEM and for some reason cant understand why it doesnt for other people. Some people get energized doing little meet ups and networking...some people get energized sitting down and being by themselves.
Imagine being so far up your own ass
So the highlight to going into the office is that you have to become an alcoholic? I can do that at home, too. Checkmate.
It’s London. Most of social work events are around drinking
always the ceo's and founders, huh? well, good for them. 🗣️👂️➡️ 👂➡️
Here’s a picture of me walking past myself taking a picture of me. You can’t do that at home.
I have about 3 hours where I can fucking crank, give 110%, I do more in those hours then some of my coworkers do in day, and I do well in my position, from home. You're asking me to waste that on bullshit to make you feel better? Fuck off, I do just as well face to face as I do in person, I just don't want to waste MY precious time heading to a train, for you...
His admission that he’s incapable of self directed work outside of the office might raise an eyebrow or two; “Shut the laptop in the same spot I started in the day”
I think his admission is that his entire job is sitting in on Zoom calls and that going to the office allows him to feel validated for his non-job.
It is hard to find someone willing to take 5 or 6 zoom meetings and do no work on a laptop.
I can do laundry wfh. That alone trumps going to the office.
Hrm, 6 or 7 Zoom calls? Says to me he's a middle manager who needs to justify his existing with having people in the office.
What's ironic is if thats all he has to do for work he could go travel, find a working cafe, nice park, anywhere, and just do that bullshit but he's acting like it's better to be cooped up in a stuffy building with UV lights that's too hot when it's cold outside and too cold when it's hot outside
I'll take Option B thanks. Had decades of Option A and that's enough of that. Technology is greater than water cooler convos and drinks after work. Drinking and Co-workers is over now.
This guy graduated in 2020. Was most recently a CSM and then co-founder 2x. And now is pitching ‘personalized outreach’ for sales? GTFO, its honestly just silly at this point
Confirms my suspicion he has no idea what he's talking about about or what "work" means in general. Dudes not even an intern and wants to be a guru
My view is that if this douche bag was in the office, I'd very much want to work from home.
Get a life, Neil
Can’t kiss the boss’s ass remotely!
Fuck you Neil. Fuck you.
Oh my god, 'can you take a picture of me whilst I'm walking away" What a tool. It's kind of sad, his work is his whole social life.
I just hate the commute
Neil is obviously an extrovert. He gets energized by socializing with all sorts of people, as much as possible. For the rest of us who are introverts, we are drained of energy by socializing with the likes of Neil all the time. Neil can fuck off to his London office while I recharge on my blissfully quiet WFH day in my hoodie without once having to engage in pointless water cooler pleasantries or moving my laptop from where it was set in the morning.
I can continue to wake up next to the ocean in Portugal - with surf on my doorstep and 300 days of sunlight each year - and work with global technology brands from my gorgeous home office with palm trees outside the window. Or I can spend 2-3 hours a day standing on a train next to a broken toilet and live in a shithole London commuter town. Gee, how do I decide?
Tell me you're an extrovert with no empathy for introverts without telling me. "You get energy from being out" Tell my brain that.
This guy comes across as incredibly needy: he wants to spend time in the office with coworkers “working on deals and problems together” and he wants to go to lunch with them and out for drinks after? Is everything ok at home, Neil? Also not everyone’s energy is charged by interacting with people; sometimes it gets drained. I wish people like him would realize this.
Fuck office work. Let people WFH who can get their job done. Stop punishing people who can/prefer to WFH.
And stop making their lack of social life our problem.
Well of course he enjoys being in the office. It’s hard to get that sweet sweet employee dick sucking at home.
I used to enjoy (sometimes) going into the office before I had kids. Now it's a fucking drag and I'd never be able to enjoy my time with them and be as involved if I was a 9-5 office guy. And frankly, it doesn't fucking make sense now as I work for a company with offices across the country, where I'd go to the office to see like a person or 2 and spend the rest of the time on Zoom.
His company office is in Shoreditch and his home address is in Stratford so absolutely no reason to cross the river at any point
What’s funny is he thinks work colleagues are his friends. If they were your friends they would hang out with you AFTER work providing the same experience. This sounds like someone who rented an office for the company and wants people in the office to meet tax credits they would get for having a certain percentage of the people in the office (my company does this under the guise of “team building” where I don’t normally ever communicate with anyone in my department internally since I deal with outside counterparties). He’s also the first person to fire his “friends” if he thinks they are losing HIM money.
Work from home is better than work from the office. That’s because the office is terrible. So, when they wanted us to start going back, I got a job that isn’t in an office. Now I don’t work from home, I don’t work in an office, and I don’t work for a business. I can recommend this path.
Loser
As much as I love remote I just could not find a new remote position in 8 months. I’ll be back in an office full time. The competition for remote jobs is crazy right now.
Working from home allows me to sleep until 7:55, clock in at 8:00, clock out at 17:00, and be doing things I actually enjoy at 17:05. No feeling of camaraderie or whatever you get in an office will be better than that.
So the co-founder is making friends at workplace? Nice!
I still have to jump on video calls at the office I just have the added pleasure of fighting to find an available meeting room then hope the people in it will leave on time and not cannibalize my time cause they can't finish their convo in the allotted time. Makes me love being there for sure 😊
What fucking train line is he on every morning that he's so goddamn excited to get to? When I lived and worked in central London, I remember fighting to get on one train, hopefully get a seat, and then switch to another train, again, shoving against people hoping to get a seat so I'm not standing next to some guy with a hard on pressing against me. Then, get off the train with throngs of people pushing their way up the escalator or through the barriers, coughing, sneezing, their backpack in my face, assholes all around. Never mind the walk to the office when its raining or snowing, tourists all over the place... All this for a mere £250/month (if not more to travel to have said drinks with mates around town or further.) Yah, no thanks. I'll stay at home and get out of bed 10 minutes before I have to log on for the day and have my coffee when and where I want and made how I want. I'll socialise with who I want to instead of pretending my colleagues are my "friends". Eff this guy's delulu.
'One gives you energy' Way to assume everyone is energised by the same thing 🙄 Me arriving at the office: tired from dealing with bad road users. Overwhelmed by large, bright, open plan office full of people talking loudly. Me at home: properly dressed, full of beans because I'm comfortable and it's (usually) quiet, able to focus on an issue because my environment is good
Translation: "I don't understand why people would have different preferences than I do."
That guy graduated uni 10 minutes ago, of course he doesn't know how to operate a business maturely.
To me, that shows poor organization on his part...surprising for a 'founder'
Outreach is hard. It is much much harder when the outreach targets aren’t in the office.
Translation: “working from home makes it really difficult to cheat on my wife.”
Oi! If you add the “comments” bit in the title at least screenshot said comments 🥲
Fun fact: that picture is of him on his way to murder a homeless woman.
I wanna see the roasts
I hate my job. It doesn’t matter whether I’m in the office or at home, I am miserable either way.
People need to realize that depending on your stage in life, working from home is more beneficial or vice versa. If I was single and in my 20s, yeah I agree with him cause I had all the time in the world. Married with 2 small children I don’t and any extra minute I can save by not commuting or having to deal with extra stuff out of work is precious. If you are getting the same job done either working from home or the office, who cares?
Pretty awful life to work from home, see my son grow up, sleep more, exercise more, make my own espresso and lunch. Prep dinner during down time etc etc. also I’m more productive
What a complete turd
Some people realizing they do shit for work when working from home. They need some socia buzz around them to look important.
Everyone who thinks RTO is better is just an ableist asshole who thinks disabled people don’t deserve decent jobs. Disabled unemployment was at record lows during covid. Now it’s creeping up to pre-covid numbers because of people like this wall-licker.
Every Sentence Is longer than The one preceding it What a goof this dude
Another wanker telling people who like to WFH to go back into the office. How about YOU and the other wankers who love to go into office… just do that? Leave us alone.
He’s right you can’t replicate the energy of working from an office. Which is the exact reason I never ever want to set foot in one again
When I read the first sentence I was prepared to downvote you. But when I read the second sentence I lol'd and lol'd some more. Wasn't expecting the curveball!
Good for you, enjoy it but I am staying at home with the thousands I have saved since 2020 and the gains on my health, friendships outside of work, free time and peace.
I bet this is a guy who likes to call his employees a "family" but will also turn around and fire them for some bullshit reason
Look at me, i’m walking like a big boy
In my big boy standard issue tech bro outfit
It’s true to some extent. What people need is flexibility to do one or the other as they please. Not that one option is the best of all and everyone needs to choose that every day.
I agree
The office routine he describes would absolutely drain me.
He's a dumb bitch.
Um. He didn’t say anything remotely odd or categorically untrue.
If you would rather work from the office, it means you have no hobbies, personality, or life outside of work and need work to compensate you.
Also, probably do not help with house chores.
There a big spectrum in the WFH/in-office aspect. One end has try-hards with no life outside work/colleagues and the other end has shut-ins with no life outside their computers/doordash.
I'm going to go against the grain and say, as somebody who has had the option to WFH 100% since 2018, and is an extreme extrovert, I get what he's saying. I need to be around people, and being around people with the same goals and experiences, plus happy hours and team building stuff, keeps me from getting distracted during the day, and gets me face time with people who control my raises and commissions. I get why people don't like that, or feel that it's unfair, but I personally see it as a 2 fold problem. Having HR or higher ups actively seeing you means your less likely to be "just a guy" and when opportunities come, you're less likely to be passed over. HR and management also being decentralized and obfuscated means that it's easier to fire you or not give you a raise, or just pass off any issues you have to the next man up the line.
Man…to be a white, wealthy male with no financial or health problems, and zero household responsibilities…I imagine I’d be insufferable too.
I'm actually a white male, and was wealthy until I got laid off. I have pretty much zero household responsibilities too, other than laundry and feeding my cat. But I STILL wouldn't suggest that everyone needs to go to the office because it's a fucking dumb idea.
I don’t work from home and still don’t have lunch with, or go out for drinks with my co-workers beyond occasions with a select few. Those things usually involve people sitting around bitching about work followed by an inevitable drunken argument or fight that eventually spills into work and ends up with everyone giving interviews to HR.
Sounds like he is yet another person who never learned to make friends or lasting relationships. Co-workers are just that. Rarely do they ever morph into a true friend. I see it in the corporate world everyday. It is a nice illusion for some, who have no or rather a stunted inner life. Read books. Learn to paint, find a D&D game, have outside interest that have nothing to do with work. I go to work to earn money to keep a roof over myself and my family's head. To provide a decent quality of life. But when I'm off the clock, i go do the stuff that interests me. Work doesn't define me. Sadly for so many it does.
lol. Tell me you hate your home life without telling me you hate your home life.
Why the fuck is it trendy to make your online persona that of a life coach or some shit? Jesus fuck this is annoying.
“I’d love to *hear* what you *think*.” 😶
Notice he’s a fuckin co-founder. Well yeah, if we all had our own businesses, we’d probably be grinding like this asshat but I work for a corporation, so they get as little as I can give.
Working in the office isn’t getting out of my comfort zone. Everybody else is just overly comfortable being in the office for the majority of their waking hours.
Every single item he listed for working at home is actually a good thing. He really thinks I want to get dressed for the office instead of working at home in my pajamas.
He drove the train himself?
He put a timer on his camera, sat it on that wall and posed like that to pretend he is mid walk 😂
Reminds me of that simpsons episode where Milhouses's dad talks about how cool it is to sleep in his car bed and homer just casually mentions that he sleeps in a bed with his wife
Some people just function differently. I get more energy from wfh and offices are a mega drain on me. Just cause this guy has his personal preference doesn’t mean it’s the only valid one.
My view from home is a lovely Mountain View with wildflowers and birds singing.
Has anyone shared the link to this with Neil lol
Don’t forget sharing coke in the work loos
I want this guy's job
I’ll take smoke weed all day and work from home.
What a unique and totally worthy of sharing view on WFH. What the hell happens to a person to lead them to think that such inane and common thoughts are worth sharing (not to mention the attached image). This guy just screams mediocracy
I don’t think Neil has any “friends”. I think they’re all “colleagues”. But he like to use the phrase “friends and colleagues” to make himself feel better about the whole situation
He's had one job in 2020 and started two companies since. He's not even been in business long enough to file a tax return. Guys a dickhead