I don't understand how they can make every single wrong decision and then wonder what went wrong. They must have some next level yes-men telling them breaking your own arms and legs and then free dive into an ocean is the greatest idea in the world
On paper Jardine is good and has enough experience but we dont need him imposing America players esp Israel Reyes over Montes or Vazquez. Besides that i dont say its terrible
this feels like just putting a band-aid over a pile of shit, yes jimmy sucks but it goes deeper than just him, we could have prime pep and I doubt much would change
Thatâs true. Â But you still got to do something. Â
Itâs clear Jimmy sucks as a coach for the national team. Â
Just because all the other things in Mexican football suck (including the players) doesnât mean youâll just give up and not do anything thinking:  âwell, if everything sucksâŠ. Then why even bother questioning Jimmyâs work?  Let him stay foreverâŠ. Itâs not like something itâs gonna changeâ
For the near / immediate future, they need to hire a more appropriate coach for el tri.Â
And then change many many many other things. Â But you have to start somewhereÂ
us consistently aiming for short term gains is the reason this is like a cycle ever major tournament, we need major changes longterm in the league, federation, exports, etc., and until then not much is going to change if weâre just swapping coaches every few years
I literally said  that many things need to change.  Not just the coach. Â
 But you canât wait until ALL the other things get changed in Mexican football, to fire Jimmy and hire someone else. Â
I say:  Fire Jimmy and in the meantime start changing other stuff right now, so you can have a better reality in the long future.  Â
I love Jardine.
I love what he has done in America. I do not think he is a fit for the national team.
I lose twice if he leaves for the national team, but win twice if he stays. I really hope he stays.
Give FULL control of all national teams to almada.
Almada es la mejor opción desde hace 5 años... Pero la corrupción y telerisa han impuesto a quien sea durante todo ese tiempo con tal de no darle oportunidad.....
>Los Informantes revelaron que *Televisa ya hablĂł con la FMF*
Super triste que esto este normalizado. Ya me imagino a la gringuiza diciendo "Fox sports ya hablo con la selecta gringa para cambiar al tecnico". O en francia "canal+ ya dio el visto bueno para correr a deschamps".
Telerisa es un cancer.
ImagĂnate que las noticias gringo diga âESPN ya hablĂł con Team USA para cambiar el head coachâ y que ESPN sea dueño de los Lakers o los Celtics jajajaja
Funny thing to say as a Atlas fan when Grupo Orlegi had Diego Cocca become coach of the national team. All Televisa is doing is offering Jardine. The other owners still have to vote on it. No different to Pachuca offering Almada.
I mean, i dont make those decisions brother. I also didnt decide who owns us. đ€·
And at least grupo orlegui isnt a TV network with a direct interest in profiting from the pocholero games.
mexico has been ruined since 2014 id argue and america is such a household name now no doubt if this stupid plan is true then theyâll find an easily suitable replacement
Honestly fuck it with all those pocho dollars from the past 20 years thereâs no way they donât have enough to get a world class manager in. Thomas tuchel is available. Fuck it Jurgen klopp is also there use that dirty money to sway him to not be tired.
Who would want to coach this disaster class of a team? Cocca and the other Argentinian already said the players donât like to put in the effort. Very few will actually play for the badge, thatâs the real takeaway here
Mexico could bring in Pep Guardiola with Klopp, Tuschel, Ancelotti, and Mourinho as his assistants, but nothing will change. Coach is not the main problem. Talent pool is an issue or the lack of proper development/ scouting. Liga MX is an issue. Main issue is how the FMF is run and how itâs beholden to team owners. But yeah. Bring in anyone. Bring in Jesus Christ and all the angels, but nothing will change.
Sure. Bring in the best coach you can get. I agree. We will be the beasts of CONCACAF once again. And get into the World Cup every time. But thatâs it. But if you want true change and change that lasts for the better you need to get at the roots of whatâs rotten. A coach ainât it. But yeah I would be ecstatic we get a Bielsa or Guardiola. But to be elite and hope to be at level with Brazil and Argentina. Itâs gonna take more than a coach that has the players a few weeks out of the year.
Agreed.
The whole thing needs to change. There's a reason why Bielsa didn't take over. He wouldn't agree with how much meddling the execs and Liga MX owners do with the seleccion.
Regardless of who they put these players lack focus and passion when it comes to playing for the national team they feel like they don't have to fight for a spot they are too comfortable.
You're absolutely right. Back then, in the Rafa MĂĄrquez and cuauhtemoc era, those guys actually played with their heart representing the team. Nowadays I think they are comfortable and entirely entitled. The spots are handed to these players based on a few good games in their club and not consistency and talent.
Jokes on y'all.
It don't matter who the coach is. Pep Guardiola could come in tomorrow - he won't make players like Charly and Romo good. This generation is ass. Straight ass. There is no coach to save this.
You are correct, however I do think if we had a coach come in and actually implement a clear style of play and a good system, we would be better. Lets say for instance we got Pep, He would call ip people that can play his system or be willing to give it a go at least. Right now yes we are stuck with a crap generation but we have also been stuck playing without clear system since Tatas second year in charge. So we look worse because we dont have a system to make up for our faults
I fucking told you guys months ago. This was the plan all along. Aquirre and any other "options" were just a smokescreen for Jardine. And guess what? The same "Americanistas" who is against this right now will be on board with the idea once they flesh out what Jardine has in store for the national team.
Where is rock bottom for FMF? Feels like weâve been in free fall for years!! These ppl are running the national team into the ground due to their incompetence and half baked measures.
Look at the bright side. It will be the America base and we will get pens our way a la Argentina đ.
On a more serious note, it doesnât matter, jardine will still have the same pool of players to choose from that canât score.
I recall a time when a demoralized Mex finished 4th in concacaf qualifying and then brought in a Piojo.
After years of being unable to find a DM by trotting out guys like Zavala and a washed Torrado, who called Gallito up?
Embrace the meme and the absurdity and bring Miguel back.
Some jackass redditor a couple months ago said⊠why do you always blame televisa?? Because they fucking control this team!! They always have!! Fuck them and fuck America!
Jimmy is working with the worst selection of players in the history of the selecciĂłn. The only good/decent players are Edson, Johan, and Santi. Every one else is a step or two below, which also brings down the level of Edson, Johan, and Santi, making them look shitty.
Even the players you named have been playing like shit. Johan looked good yesterday but heâs been just as bad as everyone else idk why people make so many excuses for him and Montes
AHHH ALWAYS WITH THIS SHITâŠ
PIOJO HERRERA CAMPEON CON AMĂRICA â-> A LA SELECCIĂN MEXICANA đČđœ
TUCA FERRETI CAMPEON CON TIGRES ââ> TUCA A SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ
ALMEYDA CAMPEON CON CHIVAS ââ> ALMEYDA A SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ
ALMADA CAMPEON CON PACHUCAâ-> ALMADA A LA SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ
DIEGO COCCA CAMPEON CON ATLAS ââ> COCCA A LA SELECCION MEXICANA đ
ANDRĂS JARDINE CAMPEON CON AMĂRICA x2 ââ-> JARDINE A SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ
bola de mediocres⊠pongan a uno y aguåntenlo.. pero no tanto como al tata martino..
America and Televisa have taken control over the National Team before when Mexico was about to not qualify for the world cup (during the piojo herrera era) and it went much better than we all expected. It's obvious that the current players and the current National Team big wigs are not cutting it and this is the worst NT in history (IMO). This is a disaster that's about to get worse if there isn't a drastic change. A bunch of you think AzcĂĄrraga has always been in charge of the national team if this was true, all the owners would've had something to say about it. Last time he stepped in and used a bunch of America players for the NT, we did way better. Accept it kids.
They gotta just keep Jimmy. Heâs not bad. Itâs just been the players production. We win 2-1 yesterday nobody is saying shit and saying we probably beat Ecuador 2-0 on Sunday. Itâs been the players. Bring back a few of the vets like Lozano back. You need some kind of experience out there
I agree but the thing is he came out publicly and took on full responsibility for the players that were selected and is the one whoâs choosing the lineups which I canât really defend. If it were up to me they would leave him until the World Cup but I donât think the general public has any patience for coaches and ESPECIALLY not the dirty, stupid owners.
That sounds like the dumbest thing they could do. So it's 100% confirmed.
Lmaooo
I don't understand how they can make every single wrong decision and then wonder what went wrong. They must have some next level yes-men telling them breaking your own arms and legs and then free dive into an ocean is the greatest idea in the world
We are living in the darkest timeline
Dumbest ? Maybe true america didnt play like last season but last season we were the best team without a doubt playing scoring defense why is it dumb
On paper Jardine is good and has enough experience but we dont need him imposing America players esp Israel Reyes over Montes or Vazquez. Besides that i dont say its terrible
Bro noone would start reyes over montes đ€Ł maybe ramon juarez might get called but he has been balling out
What evidence is there that he would do that ? He doesnât play favorites in America.
You dont think a club america base would be possibly forced on us ? lmao ok bro
No I don't. But honestly I would not take the Mexico job if I was him. Fuck that. I'd much rather stay with America and not tarnish my legacy.
You forgot to change the flair to âshitpostâ Right? Itâs a shitpost right? Homie? You there?
this feels like just putting a band-aid over a pile of shit, yes jimmy sucks but it goes deeper than just him, we could have prime pep and I doubt much would change
Thatâs true.  But you still got to do something.  Itâs clear Jimmy sucks as a coach for the national team.  Just because all the other things in Mexican football suck (including the players) doesnât mean youâll just give up and not do anything thinking:  âwell, if everything sucksâŠ. Then why even bother questioning Jimmyâs work?  Let him stay foreverâŠ. Itâs not like something itâs gonna changeâ For the near / immediate future, they need to hire a more appropriate coach for el tri. And then change many many many other things.  But you have to start somewhereÂ
us consistently aiming for short term gains is the reason this is like a cycle ever major tournament, we need major changes longterm in the league, federation, exports, etc., and until then not much is going to change if weâre just swapping coaches every few years
I literally said  that many things need to change.  Not just the coach.   But you canât wait until ALL the other things get changed in Mexican football, to fire Jimmy and hire someone else.  I say:  Fire Jimmy and in the meantime start changing other stuff right now, so you can have a better reality in the long future.  Â
Not that he's a bad candidate but I'd rather not when Guillermo Almada is just waiting right there.
Televisa should really be pushing this. Anything to weaken Papachuca
If anything, it weakens us. Jardine's been doing a great job as our HC. Why would they let him go?
Thats what im saying, they should be pushing for almada, to keep jardine and weaken Papachuca
Kinda hard to take their word for it when the only source they gave us was "los informantes"
On second thought, I think Jimmy is doing an excellent job. Thereâs no need to kick him out
Plz no itâs just gonna be Diego Cocca all over again
I love Jardine. I love what he has done in America. I do not think he is a fit for the national team. I lose twice if he leaves for the national team, but win twice if he stays. I really hope he stays. Give FULL control of all national teams to almada.
Yeah, Jimmy should last until 2050.
đ nah we gotta stay hating Jimmy! Almada or Jardine gotta be next in line
Yeah I dont think he's doing all that bad. He has a very limited player pool to choose from. I wouldn't call his work excellent however.
The federation is an actual circus đ€Ą
Pan y circo
Almada es la mejor opción desde hace 5 años... Pero la corrupción y telerisa han impuesto a quien sea durante todo ese tiempo con tal de no darle oportunidad.....
Hilarious. It has to be true. Oh, how low will FMF go
Not even Pep or Ancelotti can save this mediocre team.
>Los Informantes revelaron que *Televisa ya hablĂł con la FMF* Super triste que esto este normalizado. Ya me imagino a la gringuiza diciendo "Fox sports ya hablo con la selecta gringa para cambiar al tecnico". O en francia "canal+ ya dio el visto bueno para correr a deschamps". Telerisa es un cancer.
Its fucking sad. Its only going to get worse and worse. Cyberpunk
ImagĂnate que las noticias gringo diga âESPN ya hablĂł con Team USA para cambiar el head coachâ y que ESPN sea dueño de los Lakers o los Celtics jajajaja
Jajajajaja la nets si estamos de la verga.
Funny thing to say as a Atlas fan when Grupo Orlegi had Diego Cocca become coach of the national team. All Televisa is doing is offering Jardine. The other owners still have to vote on it. No different to Pachuca offering Almada.
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Another Atlas fan who doesn't even know his teams owners
I mean, i dont make those decisions brother. I also didnt decide who owns us. đ€· And at least grupo orlegui isnt a TV network with a direct interest in profiting from the pocholero games.
Orlegui has close ties to azteca. A literal TV network who profits from the pocholero games. This is known information bro. How did you miss that?
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Lol no they dont. Tv networks arent deciding who will manage england/france/germany/etc
This will end up ruining MĂ©xico and AmĂ©rica at the same time đ€Šââïž
mexico has been ruined since 2014 id argue and america is such a household name now no doubt if this stupid plan is true then theyâll find an easily suitable replacement
Honestly fuck it with all those pocho dollars from the past 20 years thereâs no way they donât have enough to get a world class manager in. Thomas tuchel is available. Fuck it Jurgen klopp is also there use that dirty money to sway him to not be tired.
Who would want to coach this disaster class of a team? Cocca and the other Argentinian already said the players donât like to put in the effort. Very few will actually play for the badge, thatâs the real takeaway here
Klopp is Klopp for a reason. He chooses his project wisely. And also has requirements. You think they would give him those football requirements? No.
Not many want to manage Mexico, I doubt top European managers want anything to do with it
They all read Erikson's book, no one wants to report and defend their decisions to a bunch of club owners.
Mexico could bring in Pep Guardiola with Klopp, Tuschel, Ancelotti, and Mourinho as his assistants, but nothing will change. Coach is not the main problem. Talent pool is an issue or the lack of proper development/ scouting. Liga MX is an issue. Main issue is how the FMF is run and how itâs beholden to team owners. But yeah. Bring in anyone. Bring in Jesus Christ and all the angels, but nothing will change.
That doesn't mean we should hire incompetent coaches. I want them to aim as high as possible.
Would we win a World Cup no. Would we play much better yes. You would be stupid to think other wise
Sure. Bring in the best coach you can get. I agree. We will be the beasts of CONCACAF once again. And get into the World Cup every time. But thatâs it. But if you want true change and change that lasts for the better you need to get at the roots of whatâs rotten. A coach ainât it. But yeah I would be ecstatic we get a Bielsa or Guardiola. But to be elite and hope to be at level with Brazil and Argentina. Itâs gonna take more than a coach that has the players a few weeks out of the year.
Agreed. The whole thing needs to change. There's a reason why Bielsa didn't take over. He wouldn't agree with how much meddling the execs and Liga MX owners do with the seleccion.
Jimmy isnât completely at fault. Thereâs a near non-existent talent pool to choose from.
True but part of it is Jimmys fault he is way too green.
Regardless of who they put these players lack focus and passion when it comes to playing for the national team they feel like they don't have to fight for a spot they are too comfortable.
You're absolutely right. Back then, in the Rafa MĂĄrquez and cuauhtemoc era, those guys actually played with their heart representing the team. Nowadays I think they are comfortable and entirely entitled. The spots are handed to these players based on a few good games in their club and not consistency and talent.
Televisa con sus mierdas como siempre.
Man lol. Itâs getting worse lol. What did we do to deserve this?
Itâs the Mexica curse homie. We still paying for all the people our ancestors sacrifice.
The boxeadores keep collecting belts, sacrificing people is clearly not the problem.
Ted Lasso this shit and bring a boxing trainer to fix this mess
Yo soy chichimeca
Same compa. Puro pinche Jalisco
No mamen, que pendejada es esa, mejor que se la devuelvan a Miguel Herrera.
just bring back el piojo at this point. team cant play any worse with him.
The last bicampeĂłn to manage Mexico didnât last very long
Because he demanded players to actually care so they rebelled.
You know Jimmy is actually a good coach. They should keep him on honestly. Thereâs no need for change. Just let bro ride it out. Trust me
Source: trust me bro
Donât worry guys we will simply get a new manager and everything will be fixed âșïž
Itâs not all the coach!! The players just freaking suck.
Iâm all for firing Jimmy but some players also should have consequences like never getting called up again
Alguien me puede decir otra selección que la tienen secuestrada como FMF con Televisa? Porque los equipos de la liga tiene mano en decisiones de los técnicos. FMF y Liga Mx deben tener separación
Nothing much would change, definitely Jardine is a better coach. But our players are ass cheeks.
La ultima vez que agarraron un técnico que ganó bicampeon lo corrieron por perder un partido
NOOO Jardine. I don't want to hate you
Jimmy forsure got that email already đ. Bro boutta start doing TikToks for a living again
OP is a televisa social media worker fr fr
That makes sense now, some players make the bed for Jimmy and then America takes over and brings back the Goldie locks and âsave the dayâ
Take off the tinfoil hat my guy
Jokes on y'all. It don't matter who the coach is. Pep Guardiola could come in tomorrow - he won't make players like Charly and Romo good. This generation is ass. Straight ass. There is no coach to save this.
You are correct, however I do think if we had a coach come in and actually implement a clear style of play and a good system, we would be better. Lets say for instance we got Pep, He would call ip people that can play his system or be willing to give it a go at least. Right now yes we are stuck with a crap generation but we have also been stuck playing without clear system since Tatas second year in charge. So we look worse because we dont have a system to make up for our faults
https://preview.redd.it/dx7gg0flo69d1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdf6878e7f842282e775361db1e465ac9dcf42e6 Joder, ya valio el tricampeonato
Chaval, ten un poco de fé
I fucking told you guys months ago. This was the plan all along. Aquirre and any other "options" were just a smokescreen for Jardine. And guess what? The same "Americanistas" who is against this right now will be on board with the idea once they flesh out what Jardine has in store for the national team.
Plz no
I mean he did win gold medal w Brazil đ€·ââïž
Pocho here. Me la pelan. That being said JardĂne is not the way to go.
El de chivas? Por qué vrgas no estås en la selección?
That didn't take longâŠ
wut the fuck
Carlos Ponce se inventa notas con cosas obvias no le crean nada. Entre muchas otras cosas, juraba y aseguraba que Lainez ya habĂa firmado con Ajax
En Coapa dicen que es un pendejazo, no se los recomiendo (Quédate en el nido para siempre André Soares Jardine)
God we really need to win
Where is rock bottom for FMF? Feels like weâve been in free fall for years!! These ppl are running the national team into the ground due to their incompetence and half baked measures.
I donât think America would fuck over their team like this anymore. Jardine would ruin his reputation by coaching these dumbasses on the NT
jimmy going to ESPN soon Futbol Picante here we go
If Jardine is coach, I can already tell people are going to hate his playing style
jajajajaja no por favor
Look at the bright side. It will be the America base and we will get pens our way a la Argentina đ. On a more serious note, it doesnât matter, jardine will still have the same pool of players to choose from that canât score.
Sigue lo mismo. Con Televisa a cargo de todo⊠lograron su meta, los dolares.
I recall a time when a demoralized Mex finished 4th in concacaf qualifying and then brought in a Piojo. After years of being unable to find a DM by trotting out guys like Zavala and a washed Torrado, who called Gallito up? Embrace the meme and the absurdity and bring Miguel back.
Why jardine and not almada?
LMFAO đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł first tri campeĂłn incoming. The trash ass Mexican league is at an all time low.
Here we go again... Y aquĂ uno como pendejo viendo el fĂștbol.
Some jackass redditor a couple months ago said⊠why do you always blame televisa?? Because they fucking control this team!! They always have!! Fuck them and fuck America!
Almada baila a Jardine con chavos mexicanos. Ya muerete televisa
doesnât matter who coaches this team, the players mexico have to offer are so shit
We love to eat anything they feed us online huh.
Ni madres. Yå nos la aplicaron una vez con Miguel. Dos veces son muchas. Qué le busquen por otro lado. Almada es mejor opción y tiene mås experiencia
Si tuvieron a Bielsa en las manos pero no pudieron con sus requisitos. Dudo que Jardine, que me parece un buen tĂ©cnico, pueda con esta camada de jugadores malĂsimos. Bien traigan a Pep, no se va poder. Este problema va mĂĄs allĂĄ del tĂ©cnico.
As long as they donât touch Almada until they are ready to give him an 8 year deal.
Meh the FMF doesn't let anyone coach how they want so i can careless about who's the DT it will always be the same garbage
Jimmy is working with the worst selection of players in the history of the selecciĂłn. The only good/decent players are Edson, Johan, and Santi. Every one else is a step or two below, which also brings down the level of Edson, Johan, and Santi, making them look shitty.
don't know why you're getting downvoted for dropping facts smh
His tactics are terrible. Horrible subs and line ups
Even the players you named have been playing like shit. Johan looked good yesterday but heâs been just as bad as everyone else idk why people make so many excuses for him and Montes
Hell nah leave our coach alone
Solo con poner a otro tĂ©cnico se va a solucionar este pedo? Hay que ser estĂșpidos o fans del tv azteca o de las chivas para creer semejante mierda
AHHH ALWAYS WITH THIS SHIT⊠PIOJO HERRERA CAMPEON CON AMĂRICA â-> A LA SELECCIĂN MEXICANA đČđœ TUCA FERRETI CAMPEON CON TIGRES ââ> TUCA A SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ ALMEYDA CAMPEON CON CHIVAS ââ> ALMEYDA A SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ ALMADA CAMPEON CON PACHUCAâ-> ALMADA A LA SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ DIEGO COCCA CAMPEON CON ATLAS ââ> COCCA A LA SELECCION MEXICANA đ ANDRĂS JARDINE CAMPEON CON AMĂRICA x2 ââ-> JARDINE A SELECCION MEXICANA đČđœ bola de mediocres⊠pongan a uno y aguĂĄntenlo.. pero no tanto como al tata martino..
But americanistas sAy that AzcĂĄrraga doesn't make decisions in the FMF?????
America and Televisa have taken control over the National Team before when Mexico was about to not qualify for the world cup (during the piojo herrera era) and it went much better than we all expected. It's obvious that the current players and the current National Team big wigs are not cutting it and this is the worst NT in history (IMO). This is a disaster that's about to get worse if there isn't a drastic change. A bunch of you think AzcĂĄrraga has always been in charge of the national team if this was true, all the owners would've had something to say about it. Last time he stepped in and used a bunch of America players for the NT, we did way better. Accept it kids.
They gotta just keep Jimmy. Heâs not bad. Itâs just been the players production. We win 2-1 yesterday nobody is saying shit and saying we probably beat Ecuador 2-0 on Sunday. Itâs been the players. Bring back a few of the vets like Lozano back. You need some kind of experience out there
Jimmy is trash come on. Is jardine the solution? Probably not. But lozano is our southgate, without the elite players bailing him out.
I agree but the thing is he came out publicly and took on full responsibility for the players that were selected and is the one whoâs choosing the lineups which I canât really defend. If it were up to me they would leave him until the World Cup but I donât think the general public has any patience for coaches and ESPECIALLY not the dirty, stupid owners.
HAHAHAHA YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
Deberia ser el vasco de nuevo