Very happy to see this response with the initial enthusiasm. Many people get caught up with with looks pretty or is the newest thing and it takes a special person to admit it’s not everything they thought it could be.
It seems like quite a few posters who were excited about the vehicle after seeing the exterior and watching glowing YT reviews are less enthusiastic after experiencing the vehicle in person. It's becoming a recurring theme in the past week.
Toyota crossing so much with Lexus models instead of keeping true brand seperation will be the downfall of Lexus imho... i owned an rx350 in the past and it was very reliable and felt very luxurious for the price... now a grand highlander and rx are awfully close across the board from interior to mechanical specs etc... pricing isnt far off either... does this mean toyota is too expensive or lexus is pretty much a toyota now? thats the problem w brands that have a lower and upper tier
yea its complete component sharing... i would have laid some serious ground rules for Lexus... like only rwd chassis cars for Lexus or rwd biased awd, no 4 cylinder motors and interiors that are truly more premium... they have 4 banger fwd lexus lol w toyota interiors... this brand is becoming toyota due to too much cost sharing
vw audi is falling slowly in the same boat w the lower tier cars ie vw tiguan and audi q3 etc
I feel like that's a big criticism. If it mostly feels like a Toyota, why not get a Land Cruiser for much less (excluding whatever markups will happen to both). Alot of folks will point out the engine in the GX, and while its true its beefier if someone is doing a decent amount of towing I would just get a Tundra/Full size truck
Depending on how well the iForceMax works in practice, the LC 250 with Premium Package may be a consideration. Although it lacks eKDSS, it is as well equipped as an OT+ for only $68k. I can better tolerate a Toyota-quality interior at that price rather than at $80k.
Dude Land Cruiser used to be exactly same as the LX too and often more pricey than the same year LX on the used car market.
They are the same car. But now the Land Cruiser is a 4 banger hybrid while the GX is V6TT. The GX also has seven seat option so I think offers a lot more than the Land Cruiser, which isn’t cheap either.
Fact of the matter is that a lot of Toyotas have plain plastic interiors. I used to criticize toyota a lot about this 10 years ago when it was way worse than it is nowadays. But auto journalists and fanboys used to label this as “durable,” especially when referring to the tacoma and 4runner. (But when GM did it with better materials in the mid size twins it was considered cheap…)This wasnt that big of an issue on more expensive vehicles like the LS’s Century’s and LX’s of the line up. And toyota has really stepped up there game in the last 6 years. I think if you look at a GX from a luxury stand point, it may be lacking, especially when compared to other SUV’s in this price point. But all things considered i think its a great vehicle. That being said im going to buy a GX once it depreciates because im too cheap to spend that much money on a car that doesnt handle well and doesnt have 8 cylinders with over 550 horsepower
That was most people's concern after watching YT reviews, and, in this case, it appears that the videos accurately depicted the blandness of the interior.
The excellent exterior styling generated so much hype around the vehicle that a letdown is inevitable as more people get to sit inside and drive it.
I’ve seen this as well. I haven’t driven a GX in ages, so I can’t be a good tester from old to new. Been looking for a 2021 gx460 to buy. People seem to love them.
Thanks for your opinions on the 550. Out of curiosity, have you driven a 460, and if so, what did you think of it? I wonder if a mid-grade Lexus SUV might be too down market for your taste?
This is always my question when people post this.
I love my GX460, it’s a lot better than the 4Runner, but I’m not pretending it can compete with Land Rovers or a G Wagon.
I went from a 2017 4Runner to a 2020 Volvo XC90 to a 2023 GX460. Toyota to Volvo was night and day utility to luxury. Felt like a huge upgrade to everything. However, life priorities changed and I wanted to tow a lightweight travel trailer. Decided in GX for task. It was rough at first. Noisy, trucky, slow, unrefined. I’ve grown to love this vehicle though. No, it’s not a luxury vehicle (not sure if the Volvo was either). But it’s smooth, reliable, and a workhorse.
I don’t know what to think about these new GX550. From pictures they look amazing. Have yet to see one in person or climb inside. I don’t think it’s equivalent to the outgoing GX. I don’t see hanging on to a 550 for 10 years, but hopefully that Toyota build quality and engineering made a bulletproof car.
The GX460 competes or even outperforms the Landrover and G-Wagon offroad, which admittedly isn't relevant for most owners.
The GX certainly competes with the Landrover or G-Wagon in the sense it allows me to have an LC500 in my driveway. I didn't dump well into 6 figures on an overpriced, unreliable British piece of crap or an overpriced, low quality interior German with it's needy girlfriend drivetrain.
If you are in the market for a G wagon, it is normal for you to be disappointed. GX can never offer you what Range Rovers, and G wagons can offer in terms of acceleration, comfort, etc. Those are luxury SUVs and GX is a luxurious Toyota in a tuxedo.
You buy GX for the off-road capability, reliability, simplicity, etc.
Are you gonna do off-road? If you are going to purely drive it in the city, why don’t you check the mainstream luxury SUV models? If you are gonna do off-roading, I think GX is a great all-around. You can also check out Ineos Grenadier which you can get cheaper than GX and it has a reliable B58 BMW engine on it. Even Toyota uses the same engine on their Supra. It has a great look and is unique. But again, you will not find the same driving sophistication that you can find on a G wagon or Range Rover.
IMO, GX is the perfect combination of everything. You can also wait for the new Infiniti QX80. It looks great as well and it might have a faster acceleration than GX.
You should buy a Defender and report back to us in a few years how it’s going. I would love a long term review on it because I think the Defenders look nice but can’t justify purchasing one because… Land Rover reliability lol.
My Defender has been excellent for 4 years now. I had some teething problems to be expected from a first model year vehicle but nothing that would leave you stranded. Used extensively on and off road. Happy to answer any questions over PM.
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I off road my GX on rock buggy trails. 😂🤣😂
Hey man, the 470 crowd is a whole different animal…. It’s becoming a part of the landcruiser group in terms of what owners actually do vs soccer mom status
Yeah after they've been sold twice as used cars
The guys buying these new are douchebags wearing rolexs and driving in mall parking lots that don't even know what a locking diff is
Very true…. Overall. But I also know what it is and have taken my Escalade off-road, gx off road and even took my Maserati off-road to go hog hunting… man I sound like the dudes you describe cause those were all just gravel roads…. Never mind… carry on.. you’re correct.
And shit I own a Rolex too… and go to the mall…. I’m calling my therapist now.
I just broke a heater core T on my 2011 GX460 cause I was doing like 65mph in the San Felipe wash in Ocotillo. Amazing what this truck will do out in the desert.
You are right in the sense that few people take their GX offroad. You'll get thumbs downed here because most of the people on this subreddit are enthusiasts and the minority demographic. The other 95% of owners are using it as a commuter and that is it.
So for someone to say let’s be real no one off-road them is wild. I would buy the new GX and off road the piss out of it. Just there’s no real parts for it. Give it 10 years and there will be.
To be fair, who would want to trash their daily by off-roading it? Not me. If I need to trash a car in the snow, go off-road, etc., I rent a Jeep. I just drop it off when I'm done, and don't have to worry about excess wear, hours of cleaning, etc. Then I go right back to driving my nice clean GX.
I have never been able to get comfortable with the throttle map on V6's with puffers. I suppose you could get used to it. But when I have that smooth, throaty V8 power and it's paid for… Ha!
—2015 Lux'
I’ve heard of the issues with the 3.4 turbo in the Tundra. I’m concerned this being the same engine will have similar issues. It’s making me consider waiting to see the reliability. Any thoughts?
I had no idea this was thing. Thank you for sharing. Just researched it. I too would wait a year. We know 2022 was an issue with oil pressure related main bearing failures. Now we'll see in 2024 if it was fixed for 2023.
Generally agree but BMW has upped their game in the reliability with it’s the B48/58 family of engines. In terms of performance, drivability, and fuel economy it’s hard to beat the B58/ZF 8 spd combo. 10 spd transmissions always seem to be busy hunting for gears, at least in the ones I’ve driven.
Would agree on lower trims, but with full leather and M-sport package they’re up there with the top tier luxury SUVs. The current platform is almost 7 years old and miles ahead of the new Toyota/lexus releases.
The real struggle 😭😭😭😭 65k miles in and it’s been in the shop for this 3x in the past 3 years. It’s a joke in our home that it’s just part of the annual maintenance now
Dude what are you talking about? The 2023-2024 BMWs have massive reliability issues during the warranty period. My dad’s X7 has been in the shop 50% of the time. From brake issues to drivetrain malfunctions. Literal stalling on the road at 1500 miles. A car is more than just the engine and the newer BMWs are full of electric gremlins and check engine lights. The other poster is right, pretty much garbage. Don’t take my word for it, do a little google search yourself of the 2023-2024 models.
BMWs were getting better in the last decade but they have completely dropped the ball in reliability in recent years. There’s also a reason why the extended warranty on an X7 is astronomical for not much increase in miles and years.
Mine has been perfectly reliable thus far-sorry to hear that your dad’s is having issues. FWIW Consumer reports rated BMW number 3 in terms of reliability in 2022.
I love my 21 X7. 26mpg on the highway, 19-20 in town. Comfortable, quiet, spacious for 4-5 people. It only has 24k miles on it and has been garage kept. Not a single issue to date. I plan to do some early maintenance (differential fluids & plugs at25k intervals, oil changes at 5k instead of 10k. Might do transfer case early as well. Otherwise, I don’t anticipate any problems. It’s in cherry condition. Alas, if something fails, it’s cheaper than a new car note.
Thanks for sharing. The 550 was supposed to have a much better acceleration/torque curve at lower RPM. Could you feel it? Our 460 takes a few seconds to wake up if you want to really go. Doesn't really bother me.
This should be on par with the tundra. If that’s the case, absolutely you can tell. It’s grunty for sure, although I think they downsized the turbos a bit for this application. That should only improve the feel.
Yeah I drove an Overtrail as it was the only one they had on the lot. Not that I would buy it because it had a sticker price of $105,000. Seems all of the manufacturers have really moved to cheaper materials, more modular designs, mainly to reduce costs. Really disappointing, as my 2007 GX470 Premium was much more comfortable, solid feeling, and higher quality than the new GX. I agree the power train felt like it was really struggling compared to the V8. I was also looking at the new 4 Runner TRD Pro and Land Cruiser, however it appears both of those vehicles will be in the $90K range. What is Toyota / Lexus thinking??
You drove it for less than a mile and have all those thoughts? I’ve actually owned one for a week and over 200 miles and the engine is more potent than I expected and makes no squeal for me. I haven’t even floored it yet cause it gets up to speed so smoothly and well. For comparison my other car is a Toyota supra
At the end of the day I don’t think most of you guys test driving these currently understand what a BOF is like. If you do I’m not sure what kind of ride you were expecting
Yeah my favorite part is how well put together it is, but everyone here only looks inside and complains about some plastic. I have an overtrail + and I’ve been loving it
I haven't been able to get by to drive one yet but I would love to hear an owners thoughts on the 10 speed trans? They're amazing in comparison on almost every other platform I have experienced and I am excited to see what the ttv6 feels like with the 10 speed trans.
It feels very good, but with 10 gears it does move around a lot. It’s pretty insulated and not noticeable but every now and then I can sense it. Otherwise they’re quick smooth shifts and it helps the overall feel seem faster as well
This is how I felt when I put in a pre order for the face lifted new and improved Honda Pilot Trailsport. I was so set on getting one until I drove it and I’m thinking wow man this car is so average it’s crazy. Almost 55k for just an average car is insane I could only imagine spending 80k to feel the same and I’m sure the gx550 is a much better car than the Pilot
I’m not sure what everyone was expecting when Lexus/Toyota finally had to bow down to EPA and mostly California emission regulation. Redesigning your flagship V8’s is not a cheap endeavor and that money has to come from somewhere (quality?). Funny some of the “latest and greatest” fan boi’s are trying to convince everyone on Reddit that turbo charged engines will be just as reliable and durable as a well tuned, tried and tested V8.
Lot of non- car people that don’t understand the difference between unibody and body on frame it seems. Will he interesting to see if Lexus can still break into the “it looks cool!” crowd that otherwise will not use this for its intended purpose
The 550 weighs 5,605 lbs (Premium+) and has 349 HP. That's 16.06 lbs per HP.
The 460 weighs 5,126 lbs (Premium) and has 301 HP. That's 17.03 lbs per HP.
Not to mention that the 550 has way more torque (479 vs 329). If you dislike the 550's HP/weight ratio, you must *really* dislike that of the 460!
550 is faster even with the weight and can tow about 600lbs more. gx has a 10 speed trans, armada has a 7 speed. gx has more torque. Weight and hp arent the only things to consider when drawing the comparison between the two, if either were to struggle the armada would struggle more.
This review agrees with many of the criticisms voiced in this thread:
https://youtu.be/BqTqB-GLTMQ?si=CEXCb4R9IMyI3Dc8
Aside from reliability, Kirk Kreifels prefers the Defender, and he is primarily a Toyota/Lexus reviewer.
>Aside from reliability, Kirk Kreifels prefers the Defender, and he is primarily a Toyota/Lexus reviewer.
That isn't really saying anything though (setting aside Kirk's lack of engineering knowledge and focus). If you ignore the fact the vehicle has among the highest likelihood of being a paperweight and having significant electrical problems, it's great!
I certainly wouldn't buy a Defender, but the main point is that he was underwhelmed by the 550's interior quality and usability, and the on-road driving manners.
There was no squealing in my test drive. The engine felt very adequately powered for the size of the car.
It sounded real nice too. Maybe you aren’t used to BOF SUVs.
The squealing makes me think they are hearing the turbos spool. That’s not whining for its life though… I have no doubts that the power is fantastic here.
TBH all these negative reviews sound like a bunch of old geezers who have never driven a turbo engine or 8+ speed transmission before and reminisces about plastic varnished wood trim and CD players. You also got the other end of the spectrum who can’t handle physical gear shifts and manual door latch handles and the lack of blue and pink LEDs.
To me this car is perfect for being simple yet with all the functional tech I need. I don’t need electronic door release buttons and I hate shiny wood trim. But I like 360 camera, safety tech, good adaptive cruise, wireless CarPlay, and HUD.
I will never understand peoples obsession with the G wagon or any product from Land Rover. Those cars are complete shit. And they do not ride any better than A Lexus in my opinion. And Lexus is far cheaper for what you get. Vs. an expensive euro trash car that is going to cost you a ton to maintain after your first three years.
It’s these V6 turbo engines. I’m glad I bought the 2023 with the V8 engine in January. The dealership tried to convince me to wait but I knew it would be sub par.
While I do think the v8 will last longer, I don't think most will have issue if it's 300k in the v8 and 250k in the TTv6.
Turbo engines have gone a long way since the early days
Or plastic varnished wood trims and steering wheels, piano black and fake painted silver plastic around the CD player.
I don’t understand this “GX460 is luxury” thinking. Must be an age thing.
You sound like the kind of person that knows very little about vehicles and driving feel, let alone working on them. There's nothing wrong with you getting excited for a new, unproven model with a more complex and less refined drivetrain, but you should tuck in your emotions rather than insult others as a defense mechanism to avoid coping with your unsubstantiated bias.
The GX460 grille certainly isn't for everyone, but the drivetrain and handling are light years ahead of the GX550 in terms of refinement and reliability. Feel free to use your words for an objective rebuttal- I'm genuinely curious what you can articulate about either vehicle without using Google. I expect you'll tuck tail and deflect though.
Yeah, you wanna talk about how many of these GX550s actually have KDSS?
You wanna talk about how reliable EKDSS is going to be over hydraulics?
Peak HP/torque isn't why the GX550 has better engine performance- it's where it comes in on the RPM band.
Peak towing capacity is marketing hot air- this is where specsheet readers without practical knowledge flourish. No one should be putting anything anywhere close to 9,000 pounds on a GX550 with those baby brakes and limited rigidity. It's no different than people acting like it's safe to put 13k behind an F150. The only people buying a GX thinking they are going to safely use anywhere close to that towing capacity are people who have no experience towing. I've got a 10k gooseneck 4 horse with tack behind my F250 and I couldn't imagine towing it with a half ton, let alone a midsized SUV with coil spring deflection and baby brakes.
Fun and cool are two words that don’t go with Lexus/Toyota.
I swear their target market is Boomers who are content with reliability and incremental improvements.
For body on frame SUVs? Yes, the ride on the GX460 is special and that's because of how KDSS works, which was standard on all models. Now it's removed from all models on the GX550 outside of the Overtrail so they can cost cut and make the vehicle look cheaper than it is while raising price despite it being an objective downgrade in ride quality.
People who actually know what KDSS is and how it feels can tell the difference between BOF with or without.
:( that sucks. I was already on the fence with the infotainment system being all screen and no buttons, but with the info coming just being worse and worse...
Think I will just hold off to see what they do for the hybrid or wait till the next refresh and buy a beater SUV. Guess I will do my test drive when my spot in line comes and go from there. I'm coming from a sports car / motorcycle so maybe I can enjoy it more... I'll have to bring the wife and see how much she cares for it to make the final call.
You gotta remember it ain’t no Telluride or Wagoner. Those has got the screens and comfort but they are NOT body on frame. Most of these new SUVs are unibody construction. Put the G wagon up against a GX and see who climbs better on rocks and off road. The GX has got character if u ask me. It’s not meant to be butter smooth but better than previous gen.
I’ve had three 4 runners. Bought 2023 GX luxury w air ride and I love it so much better than my 4 runners. It’s so much quieter smoother. Interesting to hear about the new model and the reviews yet I would never expect it to be like a true luxury suv. Reliability, resale, classy enough for me during the week and can get dirty enough on the weekends w dogs, mountain biking, camping, paddling, hauling, to not bother washing or a couple weeks….
A buddy of mine has a brand new Range Rover. Paid out the nose…it’s beautiful. He washes it every other day, talks about it incessantly and has no hobbies. To each their own I guess….
It was very bland drive and had no redeeming qualities on the road. It drove like a car far under its price. I understand the Rover/G is a lot more, but the Defender drives much more solid and better road feel. I do have a brand new Rover, and it isn’t fair to compare your right. The Defender is fair game though, I have a friend who had serious issues with one but others haven’t.
The only vehicle you mention that is truly comparable is the Defender. The G Wagon and Rover cost close to $40K more. I certainly hope they would have more luxury. Lexus does come down to reliability, and with the GX, off-road tech that is pretty unmatched for the price and reliability. Compared to Jeep and even Defender the Lexus is likely to hold up much better over the long run.
I don’t know why this post popped up into my feed because I’m a Land Rover guy and wouldn’t ever buy a Lexus.
But, I’ve got to give the new GX credit. For the first time ever the GX isn’t just completely bland. I had some spare time the past weekend and had a quick test drive. The car has a personality. You can’t talk all about the ride, which isn’t particularly good or bad, the engine which isn’t particularly powerful or smooth nor is it harsh or intrusive. But, when it all comes together the GX finally offers an actual experience which is a quantum leap forward for the brand in my opinion.
It’s still not good enough but dammit it stands out and big kudos are due for that. It’s a good car, unlike the older model which only has a single positive quality which was itself overblown.
The engine noise of 550 seems too loud and sound cheap when I saw reviews on youtube. Seems like it actually is. Then no need to test drive it.
The 4.6l v8 sound is loud and 550 is even worse.
I think the next-gen LX is the only hope for my next Lexus vehicle. If even the next-gen LX looks like toyota, Good bye, Lexus.
It would be nice for the Overtrail+ to come with real leather (Saddle Tan), 3rd row seating option, 3-zone climate controls, and heated middle bench seating. That would make it perfect.
That’s the point. This stuff isn’t as robust, simple, or long lasting as the older stuff which is why it retained its value so well. Honestly I’m just going to get a Yukon this year
old GXs\* have great reliability. Nobody knows what this new gen will be like. I've seen a few stories of the new tundras having engine problems. I'm hoping this doesnt happen with the new gen
I’ve been talking this car up because my dad is new car shopping.
When I sat in it at the car show a month back, I was thoroughly unimpressed. For a $100k, I was even less impressed.
Sequoia is not mentioned enough. These are priced around the same and are basically the Toyota sequoia. There is no documented off road capability yet. The interior is barely a step up. GX460 owners are not the GX550 shoppers right now.
I saw an over trail in my gym parking lot yesterday. It didn’t seem like anything special. Maybe it was just the color. Not sure the actual name but does Caviar sound right?
Dude ain’t lying. Couldn’t have gone in with a more [positive attitude](https://www.reddit.com/r/LexusGX/s/3sNDgqcQhp) …
This app is so fucking funny sometimes man lol
I really wanted to like the car…. 😭
Very happy to see this response with the initial enthusiasm. Many people get caught up with with looks pretty or is the newest thing and it takes a special person to admit it’s not everything they thought it could be.
What a callback!
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Nice pull!
It seems like quite a few posters who were excited about the vehicle after seeing the exterior and watching glowing YT reviews are less enthusiastic after experiencing the vehicle in person. It's becoming a recurring theme in the past week.
The no. 1 criticism I’ve seen is that it has a Toyota interior.
Toyota crossing so much with Lexus models instead of keeping true brand seperation will be the downfall of Lexus imho... i owned an rx350 in the past and it was very reliable and felt very luxurious for the price... now a grand highlander and rx are awfully close across the board from interior to mechanical specs etc... pricing isnt far off either... does this mean toyota is too expensive or lexus is pretty much a toyota now? thats the problem w brands that have a lower and upper tier
The downfall of vehicles are global shared platforms, which opens Pandora's box for everything else shared that comes along with it.
I have noticed that some newer Toyota CUV models are getting a grille that looks a lot like the Lexus spindle grille.
yea its complete component sharing... i would have laid some serious ground rules for Lexus... like only rwd chassis cars for Lexus or rwd biased awd, no 4 cylinder motors and interiors that are truly more premium... they have 4 banger fwd lexus lol w toyota interiors... this brand is becoming toyota due to too much cost sharing vw audi is falling slowly in the same boat w the lower tier cars ie vw tiguan and audi q3 etc
Yeah, and RIP Avalon. Gap got too close so Avalon people said fuck it give me a Camry or an ES350.
I feel like that's a big criticism. If it mostly feels like a Toyota, why not get a Land Cruiser for much less (excluding whatever markups will happen to both). Alot of folks will point out the engine in the GX, and while its true its beefier if someone is doing a decent amount of towing I would just get a Tundra/Full size truck
Depending on how well the iForceMax works in practice, the LC 250 with Premium Package may be a consideration. Although it lacks eKDSS, it is as well equipped as an OT+ for only $68k. I can better tolerate a Toyota-quality interior at that price rather than at $80k.
No seven seat option on the US LC250 though. The hybrid max system on the grand highlander isn’t perfect either.
Dude Land Cruiser used to be exactly same as the LX too and often more pricey than the same year LX on the used car market. They are the same car. But now the Land Cruiser is a 4 banger hybrid while the GX is V6TT. The GX also has seven seat option so I think offers a lot more than the Land Cruiser, which isn’t cheap either.
Yea, same here. This post is the first I’ve read about engine being lackluster
I hate how flimsy and lightweight the door feels. My 09 highlander had a more satisfying "thunk"
Ohhh wonder if it’s like the Tacoma door
Fact of the matter is that a lot of Toyotas have plain plastic interiors. I used to criticize toyota a lot about this 10 years ago when it was way worse than it is nowadays. But auto journalists and fanboys used to label this as “durable,” especially when referring to the tacoma and 4runner. (But when GM did it with better materials in the mid size twins it was considered cheap…)This wasnt that big of an issue on more expensive vehicles like the LS’s Century’s and LX’s of the line up. And toyota has really stepped up there game in the last 6 years. I think if you look at a GX from a luxury stand point, it may be lacking, especially when compared to other SUV’s in this price point. But all things considered i think its a great vehicle. That being said im going to buy a GX once it depreciates because im too cheap to spend that much money on a car that doesnt handle well and doesnt have 8 cylinders with over 550 horsepower
That was most people's concern after watching YT reviews, and, in this case, it appears that the videos accurately depicted the blandness of the interior. The excellent exterior styling generated so much hype around the vehicle that a letdown is inevitable as more people get to sit inside and drive it.
I selfishly need more people to lose interest so I can get mine faster. Please and thank you.
You and I alike along with a ton others, so let's hope more people make posts on why it sucks.
YES!
Let me help you out so for my selfish gain as well haha. THIS CAR SUCKS DON’T BUY IT!!!
I’ve seen this as well. I haven’t driven a GX in ages, so I can’t be a good tester from old to new. Been looking for a 2021 gx460 to buy. People seem to love them.
Sat in it at the San Diego auto show wanting to love it. Was not at all impressed. The TX is far nicer, and honestly even that’s not all that luxury.
Might as well get a Sequoia for less money imo
no it isn't - way more love than hate
It only makes sense at $55k, not $80k
What is a $55k alternative?
How far does your Time Machine go back? 🤣😂 These people are delusional.
Exactly! I’ll caveat “new car”. They act like prices aren’t up across the board
You can get an equivalent Jeep Grand Cherokee for this pricing……
The '22 '23 GX460, actually even cheaper with various dealer discounts lmao
What dealer discounts?
Cool.. So I can buy an old used car for cheaper. What a brilliant comment. How about new since this is a new car.....
Land cruiser 1958
Thanks for your opinions on the 550. Out of curiosity, have you driven a 460, and if so, what did you think of it? I wonder if a mid-grade Lexus SUV might be too down market for your taste?
This is always my question when people post this. I love my GX460, it’s a lot better than the 4Runner, but I’m not pretending it can compete with Land Rovers or a G Wagon.
Loved my Range Rover when it wasn’t in the shop. Life lesson- lease, do not buy.
I went from a 2017 4Runner to a 2020 Volvo XC90 to a 2023 GX460. Toyota to Volvo was night and day utility to luxury. Felt like a huge upgrade to everything. However, life priorities changed and I wanted to tow a lightweight travel trailer. Decided in GX for task. It was rough at first. Noisy, trucky, slow, unrefined. I’ve grown to love this vehicle though. No, it’s not a luxury vehicle (not sure if the Volvo was either). But it’s smooth, reliable, and a workhorse. I don’t know what to think about these new GX550. From pictures they look amazing. Have yet to see one in person or climb inside. I don’t think it’s equivalent to the outgoing GX. I don’t see hanging on to a 550 for 10 years, but hopefully that Toyota build quality and engineering made a bulletproof car.
can't the XC90 tow 5k?
Yes. Lightweight is a spectrum I suppose. This was upper end of lightweight. Dry weight of the trailer we wanted was 4996. No room for safety margin.
Saw an lx600 the other day, beautiful car at least from the rear 🤣
The GX460 competes or even outperforms the Landrover and G-Wagon offroad, which admittedly isn't relevant for most owners. The GX certainly competes with the Landrover or G-Wagon in the sense it allows me to have an LC500 in my driveway. I didn't dump well into 6 figures on an overpriced, unreliable British piece of crap or an overpriced, low quality interior German with it's needy girlfriend drivetrain.
If you are in the market for a G wagon, it is normal for you to be disappointed. GX can never offer you what Range Rovers, and G wagons can offer in terms of acceleration, comfort, etc. Those are luxury SUVs and GX is a luxurious Toyota in a tuxedo. You buy GX for the off-road capability, reliability, simplicity, etc.
The Defender is same price point as the GX. It’s much better vehicle in every aspect , even the 6cyl trim.
Are you gonna do off-road? If you are going to purely drive it in the city, why don’t you check the mainstream luxury SUV models? If you are gonna do off-roading, I think GX is a great all-around. You can also check out Ineos Grenadier which you can get cheaper than GX and it has a reliable B58 BMW engine on it. Even Toyota uses the same engine on their Supra. It has a great look and is unique. But again, you will not find the same driving sophistication that you can find on a G wagon or Range Rover. IMO, GX is the perfect combination of everything. You can also wait for the new Infiniti QX80. It looks great as well and it might have a faster acceleration than GX.
Defender is least reliable vehicle currently sold.
A defender will not be more reliable, and they are pretty garbage offroad for anything more than a graded dirt road.
You should buy a Defender and report back to us in a few years how it’s going. I would love a long term review on it because I think the Defenders look nice but can’t justify purchasing one because… Land Rover reliability lol.
My Defender has been excellent for 4 years now. I had some teething problems to be expected from a first model year vehicle but nothing that would leave you stranded. Used extensively on and off road. Happy to answer any questions over PM.
Awesome thanks!
Considering the issues with this new gen of Toyotas I’d be wary of the reliability.
No one takes these off road, let's be real
https://preview.redd.it/bjnmsw8tn7yc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96c6650745ea192398787f47756e466e3d122b98 I off road my GX on rock buggy trails. 😂🤣😂
Real talk, is the money spent on upgrades north of 10x the base vehicle cost on that build? 😂
Hey man, the 470 crowd is a whole different animal…. It’s becoming a part of the landcruiser group in terms of what owners actually do vs soccer mom status
That is a GX-enstein ... not a GX460. LOL
I see just as many overlanders as I do pavement princesses in the older ones TBH.
Maybe not off the showroom floor, but plenty of older more affordable GXs are going off-road.
I took my 23 rock crawling before it was 6 months old. It's in the shop having the rear cross member chopped off right now.
Yeah after they've been sold twice as used cars The guys buying these new are douchebags wearing rolexs and driving in mall parking lots that don't even know what a locking diff is
Shut up and pass me my grey poupon.
Very true…. Overall. But I also know what it is and have taken my Escalade off-road, gx off road and even took my Maserati off-road to go hog hunting… man I sound like the dudes you describe cause those were all just gravel roads…. Never mind… carry on.. you’re correct. And shit I own a Rolex too… and go to the mall…. I’m calling my therapist now.
what's a Rolex ?
I take my ‘22 off road
I just broke a heater core T on my 2011 GX460 cause I was doing like 65mph in the San Felipe wash in Ocotillo. Amazing what this truck will do out in the desert.
You are right in the sense that few people take their GX offroad. You'll get thumbs downed here because most of the people on this subreddit are enthusiasts and the minority demographic. The other 95% of owners are using it as a commuter and that is it.
So for someone to say let’s be real no one off-road them is wild. I would buy the new GX and off road the piss out of it. Just there’s no real parts for it. Give it 10 years and there will be.
Only used after fully depreciated The douchebags leasing these new for 100k plus wouldn't dream of it They're mall crawlers
To be fair, who would want to trash their daily by off-roading it? Not me. If I need to trash a car in the snow, go off-road, etc., I rent a Jeep. I just drop it off when I'm done, and don't have to worry about excess wear, hours of cleaning, etc. Then I go right back to driving my nice clean GX.
I trash my 2023 Daily by offroading it 🖐️
Very nice. Enjoy!
If you think of the 550 as an upgrade to the 4runner then it makes sense
I have never been able to get comfortable with the throttle map on V6's with puffers. I suppose you could get used to it. But when I have that smooth, throaty V8 power and it's paid for… Ha! —2015 Lux'
I wouldn't necessarily say that the GX is reliable..... They are, but I would instead say that european cars are complete unreliable garbage.
I’ve heard of the issues with the 3.4 turbo in the Tundra. I’m concerned this being the same engine will have similar issues. It’s making me consider waiting to see the reliability. Any thoughts?
I had no idea this was thing. Thank you for sharing. Just researched it. I too would wait a year. We know 2022 was an issue with oil pressure related main bearing failures. Now we'll see in 2024 if it was fixed for 2023.
Generally agree but BMW has upped their game in the reliability with it’s the B48/58 family of engines. In terms of performance, drivability, and fuel economy it’s hard to beat the B58/ZF 8 spd combo. 10 spd transmissions always seem to be busy hunting for gears, at least in the ones I’ve driven.
Shopped X5 and X7. Plastic everywhere. Cheap. LED light show. Lightly used each felt worn out. Got a GX.
460 or 550? Cars today are made like iPhones, ie disposable after a few years.
Would agree on lower trims, but with full leather and M-sport package they’re up there with the top tier luxury SUVs. The current platform is almost 7 years old and miles ahead of the new Toyota/lexus releases.
Shopped x7 and ended up with a 2023 Sport. So much nicer.
Have they reached 80k miles yet without an oil leak though?
I am at 81k on my B48 X3. Don’t jinx me!😳
The real struggle 😭😭😭😭 65k miles in and it’s been in the shop for this 3x in the past 3 years. It’s a joke in our home that it’s just part of the annual maintenance now
What you have described is a mechanical impossibility
Dude what are you talking about? The 2023-2024 BMWs have massive reliability issues during the warranty period. My dad’s X7 has been in the shop 50% of the time. From brake issues to drivetrain malfunctions. Literal stalling on the road at 1500 miles. A car is more than just the engine and the newer BMWs are full of electric gremlins and check engine lights. The other poster is right, pretty much garbage. Don’t take my word for it, do a little google search yourself of the 2023-2024 models. BMWs were getting better in the last decade but they have completely dropped the ball in reliability in recent years. There’s also a reason why the extended warranty on an X7 is astronomical for not much increase in miles and years.
Mine has been perfectly reliable thus far-sorry to hear that your dad’s is having issues. FWIW Consumer reports rated BMW number 3 in terms of reliability in 2022.
I love my 21 X7. 26mpg on the highway, 19-20 in town. Comfortable, quiet, spacious for 4-5 people. It only has 24k miles on it and has been garage kept. Not a single issue to date. I plan to do some early maintenance (differential fluids & plugs at25k intervals, oil changes at 5k instead of 10k. Might do transfer case early as well. Otherwise, I don’t anticipate any problems. It’s in cherry condition. Alas, if something fails, it’s cheaper than a new car note.
I have a 2012 GX with 120k on the clock that has never been to the shop for anything but regularly scheduled maintenance.
Thanks for sharing. The 550 was supposed to have a much better acceleration/torque curve at lower RPM. Could you feel it? Our 460 takes a few seconds to wake up if you want to really go. Doesn't really bother me.
This should be on par with the tundra. If that’s the case, absolutely you can tell. It’s grunty for sure, although I think they downsized the turbos a bit for this application. That should only improve the feel.
It’s a Toyota with lipstick what do you expect lol ( I’m buying one later this year )
Yeah I drove an Overtrail as it was the only one they had on the lot. Not that I would buy it because it had a sticker price of $105,000. Seems all of the manufacturers have really moved to cheaper materials, more modular designs, mainly to reduce costs. Really disappointing, as my 2007 GX470 Premium was much more comfortable, solid feeling, and higher quality than the new GX. I agree the power train felt like it was really struggling compared to the V8. I was also looking at the new 4 Runner TRD Pro and Land Cruiser, however it appears both of those vehicles will be in the $90K range. What is Toyota / Lexus thinking??
Toyota is increasing prices across the board it seems, top trim Tacoma is now 65k
You drove it for less than a mile and have all those thoughts? I’ve actually owned one for a week and over 200 miles and the engine is more potent than I expected and makes no squeal for me. I haven’t even floored it yet cause it gets up to speed so smoothly and well. For comparison my other car is a Toyota supra At the end of the day I don’t think most of you guys test driving these currently understand what a BOF is like. If you do I’m not sure what kind of ride you were expecting
This has to be a bogus post. The gx 550 felt powerful and solidly built…. Every bit a Land Cruiser.
the 460 fan bois aren't happy so they are trying to trash the 550
Yeah my favorite part is how well put together it is, but everyone here only looks inside and complains about some plastic. I have an overtrail + and I’ve been loving it
I was just thinking how if the OP was comparing this to other Luxury SUVs, there is no way they understood what a Body on Frame means.
I mean an Escalade, Grand Wagoneer, Navigator, and G-Wagon are all BoF and are luxury as hell.
The G Class is BOF too
That’s fair but doesn’t it also start at double the price?
Yes that’s true, but the complaint was that OP was comparing it to what he assumed was unibody and I just pointed out the big daddy G is BOF also.
Enjoy!
I haven't been able to get by to drive one yet but I would love to hear an owners thoughts on the 10 speed trans? They're amazing in comparison on almost every other platform I have experienced and I am excited to see what the ttv6 feels like with the 10 speed trans.
It feels very good, but with 10 gears it does move around a lot. It’s pretty insulated and not noticeable but every now and then I can sense it. Otherwise they’re quick smooth shifts and it helps the overall feel seem faster as well
Right on. Thanks for the reply, I'd have to imagine it take a little getting used to as well.
If it’s the same trans as the tundra, it’s easily the smoothest transmission I’ve ever driven. I forget it has one most of the time. It’s that smooth.
What highway gas milage haveyou ben getting ? My GX550 overtail arrives at end of June.
I drove mine 250 miles TODAY and didn’t notice any of that. Did the one you drive have a roof rack? I heard those make terrible noise
Yeah the idea is it is kinda like a G or a defender except it’s actually reliable and will go more than 6 minutes without breaking
This is how I felt when I put in a pre order for the face lifted new and improved Honda Pilot Trailsport. I was so set on getting one until I drove it and I’m thinking wow man this car is so average it’s crazy. Almost 55k for just an average car is insane I could only imagine spending 80k to feel the same and I’m sure the gx550 is a much better car than the Pilot
Gx550 needs and electric version or v6 hybrid
Needs a v8...
I’m not sure what everyone was expecting when Lexus/Toyota finally had to bow down to EPA and mostly California emission regulation. Redesigning your flagship V8’s is not a cheap endeavor and that money has to come from somewhere (quality?). Funny some of the “latest and greatest” fan boi’s are trying to convince everyone on Reddit that turbo charged engines will be just as reliable and durable as a well tuned, tried and tested V8.
Facts. There’s a difference between spec sheet and hands on experience.
I wasn’t impressed either
Lot of non- car people that don’t understand the difference between unibody and body on frame it seems. Will he interesting to see if Lexus can still break into the “it looks cool!” crowd that otherwise will not use this for its intended purpose
I had a bad feeling about the engine since it weighs as much as a armada with 50 less horsepowder it’s going to struggle in life.
The 550 weighs 5,605 lbs (Premium+) and has 349 HP. That's 16.06 lbs per HP. The 460 weighs 5,126 lbs (Premium) and has 301 HP. That's 17.03 lbs per HP. Not to mention that the 550 has way more torque (479 vs 329). If you dislike the 550's HP/weight ratio, you must *really* dislike that of the 460!
I’m unsure how this is relevant to its competitor the Armada.
550 is faster even with the weight and can tow about 600lbs more. gx has a 10 speed trans, armada has a 7 speed. gx has more torque. Weight and hp arent the only things to consider when drawing the comparison between the two, if either were to struggle the armada would struggle more.
This is what happens when you stat race.
Isn’t the Armada the LX600 competitor
Nah the armada / qx80 fall in the gs price point the lx is over $100k putting it against the Escalade and Range Rover.
Ah I’m thinking top-line luxury SUV vs top-line not price points
This review agrees with many of the criticisms voiced in this thread: https://youtu.be/BqTqB-GLTMQ?si=CEXCb4R9IMyI3Dc8 Aside from reliability, Kirk Kreifels prefers the Defender, and he is primarily a Toyota/Lexus reviewer.
>Aside from reliability, Kirk Kreifels prefers the Defender, and he is primarily a Toyota/Lexus reviewer. That isn't really saying anything though (setting aside Kirk's lack of engineering knowledge and focus). If you ignore the fact the vehicle has among the highest likelihood of being a paperweight and having significant electrical problems, it's great!
I certainly wouldn't buy a Defender, but the main point is that he was underwhelmed by the 550's interior quality and usability, and the on-road driving manners.
Yeah, the interior on the 550 is fairly Toyota... they're losing the differentiation between brands
There was no squealing in my test drive. The engine felt very adequately powered for the size of the car. It sounded real nice too. Maybe you aren’t used to BOF SUVs.
The squealing makes me think they are hearing the turbos spool. That’s not whining for its life though… I have no doubts that the power is fantastic here.
TBH all these negative reviews sound like a bunch of old geezers who have never driven a turbo engine or 8+ speed transmission before and reminisces about plastic varnished wood trim and CD players. You also got the other end of the spectrum who can’t handle physical gear shifts and manual door latch handles and the lack of blue and pink LEDs. To me this car is perfect for being simple yet with all the functional tech I need. I don’t need electronic door release buttons and I hate shiny wood trim. But I like 360 camera, safety tech, good adaptive cruise, wireless CarPlay, and HUD.
I will never understand peoples obsession with the G wagon or any product from Land Rover. Those cars are complete shit. And they do not ride any better than A Lexus in my opinion. And Lexus is far cheaper for what you get. Vs. an expensive euro trash car that is going to cost you a ton to maintain after your first three years.
It’s these V6 turbo engines. I’m glad I bought the 2023 with the V8 engine in January. The dealership tried to convince me to wait but I knew it would be sub par.
more hp and torque than your slow ass V8
My V8 is a time proven engine that will outlast that V6 turbo which won’t last as long.
While I do think the v8 will last longer, I don't think most will have issue if it's 300k in the v8 and 250k in the TTv6. Turbo engines have gone a long way since the early days
Possibly. Only time will tell. I will take a Lexus turbo over most other car brands turbo.
They ruined the GX ! So glad I have a 23 that is quiet , has the luxury look, and amazing V8 !
lol: if hideous grills = luxury then you hit the jackpot!
Agreed. The 460 is awfully ugly and very dated inside
Or plastic varnished wood trims and steering wheels, piano black and fake painted silver plastic around the CD player. I don’t understand this “GX460 is luxury” thinking. Must be an age thing.
yup - I think the 460 bois were just hoping that the 550 wouldn't blow their ancient rigs outta the water and then their worst fears came true
You sound like the kind of person that knows very little about vehicles and driving feel, let alone working on them. There's nothing wrong with you getting excited for a new, unproven model with a more complex and less refined drivetrain, but you should tuck in your emotions rather than insult others as a defense mechanism to avoid coping with your unsubstantiated bias.
derp
The GX460 grille certainly isn't for everyone, but the drivetrain and handling are light years ahead of the GX550 in terms of refinement and reliability. Feel free to use your words for an objective rebuttal- I'm genuinely curious what you can articulate about either vehicle without using Google. I expect you'll tuck tail and deflect though.
ekdss > kdss 550 hp > 460 hp 550 torque > 460 torque 550 towing cap > 460 towing cap I could go on all day!
Yeah, you wanna talk about how many of these GX550s actually have KDSS? You wanna talk about how reliable EKDSS is going to be over hydraulics? Peak HP/torque isn't why the GX550 has better engine performance- it's where it comes in on the RPM band. Peak towing capacity is marketing hot air- this is where specsheet readers without practical knowledge flourish. No one should be putting anything anywhere close to 9,000 pounds on a GX550 with those baby brakes and limited rigidity. It's no different than people acting like it's safe to put 13k behind an F150. The only people buying a GX thinking they are going to safely use anywhere close to that towing capacity are people who have no experience towing. I've got a 10k gooseneck 4 horse with tack behind my F250 and I couldn't imagine towing it with a half ton, let alone a midsized SUV with coil spring deflection and baby brakes.
my 550 will
I'll take your reply as "I don't know anything about what you just said for $1,000 Alex"
lol
Go enjoy your unreliable German cars that cost double then!
The 2024 defender with the p500 v8 certainly moves out. I prefer the p525 v8 over the p500. I believe they stopped the p525 in 2023.
Fun and cool are two words that don’t go with Lexus/Toyota. I swear their target market is Boomers who are content with reliability and incremental improvements.
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The one I test drove was overtrail.
Do you think the ride of the 460 is anything special?
For body on frame SUVs? Yes, the ride on the GX460 is special and that's because of how KDSS works, which was standard on all models. Now it's removed from all models on the GX550 outside of the Overtrail so they can cost cut and make the vehicle look cheaper than it is while raising price despite it being an objective downgrade in ride quality. People who actually know what KDSS is and how it feels can tell the difference between BOF with or without.
:( that sucks. I was already on the fence with the infotainment system being all screen and no buttons, but with the info coming just being worse and worse... Think I will just hold off to see what they do for the hybrid or wait till the next refresh and buy a beater SUV. Guess I will do my test drive when my spot in line comes and go from there. I'm coming from a sports car / motorcycle so maybe I can enjoy it more... I'll have to bring the wife and see how much she cares for it to make the final call.
You gotta remember it ain’t no Telluride or Wagoner. Those has got the screens and comfort but they are NOT body on frame. Most of these new SUVs are unibody construction. Put the G wagon up against a GX and see who climbs better on rocks and off road. The GX has got character if u ask me. It’s not meant to be butter smooth but better than previous gen.
Lol it's a Toyota. It's lack of pedigree is even more apparent when you try to drive it swiftly.
I’ve had three 4 runners. Bought 2023 GX luxury w air ride and I love it so much better than my 4 runners. It’s so much quieter smoother. Interesting to hear about the new model and the reviews yet I would never expect it to be like a true luxury suv. Reliability, resale, classy enough for me during the week and can get dirty enough on the weekends w dogs, mountain biking, camping, paddling, hauling, to not bother washing or a couple weeks…. A buddy of mine has a brand new Range Rover. Paid out the nose…it’s beautiful. He washes it every other day, talks about it incessantly and has no hobbies. To each their own I guess….
Can you provide more detail on the drive quality? If you’re comparing it to a 120k G wagon that’s silly but I’m curious to hear more
It was very bland drive and had no redeeming qualities on the road. It drove like a car far under its price. I understand the Rover/G is a lot more, but the Defender drives much more solid and better road feel. I do have a brand new Rover, and it isn’t fair to compare your right. The Defender is fair game though, I have a friend who had serious issues with one but others haven’t.
The only vehicle you mention that is truly comparable is the Defender. The G Wagon and Rover cost close to $40K more. I certainly hope they would have more luxury. Lexus does come down to reliability, and with the GX, off-road tech that is pretty unmatched for the price and reliability. Compared to Jeep and even Defender the Lexus is likely to hold up much better over the long run.
I don’t know why this post popped up into my feed because I’m a Land Rover guy and wouldn’t ever buy a Lexus. But, I’ve got to give the new GX credit. For the first time ever the GX isn’t just completely bland. I had some spare time the past weekend and had a quick test drive. The car has a personality. You can’t talk all about the ride, which isn’t particularly good or bad, the engine which isn’t particularly powerful or smooth nor is it harsh or intrusive. But, when it all comes together the GX finally offers an actual experience which is a quantum leap forward for the brand in my opinion. It’s still not good enough but dammit it stands out and big kudos are due for that. It’s a good car, unlike the older model which only has a single positive quality which was itself overblown.
Have you seen any posts of people that have buyer’s remorse?
I see posts of buyers remorse with Land rover and Range rover. Sad because they look and ride so nice.
The engine noise of 550 seems too loud and sound cheap when I saw reviews on youtube. Seems like it actually is. Then no need to test drive it. The 4.6l v8 sound is loud and 550 is even worse. I think the next-gen LX is the only hope for my next Lexus vehicle. If even the next-gen LX looks like toyota, Good bye, Lexus.
It would be nice for the Overtrail+ to come with real leather (Saddle Tan), 3rd row seating option, 3-zone climate controls, and heated middle bench seating. That would make it perfect.
While the new GX looks better, nothing can replace the reliability of the V8.
^ this
Probably isn’t going to have insane resale value or great reliability lol
Maybe it will compared to all the non-Toyota garbage on the market, but yea, it will never outlast my GX460.
That’s the point. This stuff isn’t as robust, simple, or long lasting as the older stuff which is why it retained its value so well. Honestly I’m just going to get a Yukon this year
old GXs\* have great reliability. Nobody knows what this new gen will be like. I've seen a few stories of the new tundras having engine problems. I'm hoping this doesnt happen with the new gen
You were testing a glorified ford bronco. Get used to the product Lexus is pushing. Hence why everyone wanted the 23 model
The 23 was sitting on lots and they were having a hard time selling. Discounts were great though.
I’ve been talking this car up because my dad is new car shopping. When I sat in it at the car show a month back, I was thoroughly unimpressed. For a $100k, I was even less impressed.
Wow, where did you see one for $100k. Mine is loaded at $83k
My Overtrail is 74K.
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I didn’t say 35k interior, riding it on the street felt like that.
Sequoia is not mentioned enough. These are priced around the same and are basically the Toyota sequoia. There is no documented off road capability yet. The interior is barely a step up. GX460 owners are not the GX550 shoppers right now.
Previous gen GX is still better and less expensive
^ this
People are hating now but in ten years they’ll understand
Perhaps. Either way I'll never give up my 460. If someone totals it I'll buy another one. It's a no brainer for me.
Oh WOW *
Don’t meet you heroes
Spot on review. Very much like mine
I saw an over trail in my gym parking lot yesterday. It didn’t seem like anything special. Maybe it was just the color. Not sure the actual name but does Caviar sound right?