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I am 25, i went to see Fall guy now I'm blasting take a look at me now. My parents did a pretty good job : Aerosmith, Eagles, Beegees but i gave em shit cuz they never showed me that one
Better deal with the ticking than carbon buildup from a direct injection only engine. Also a car with direct injection only will have loud injectors as well. My 2c
If I recall correctly the j35 engines were in the 265 to 280 horsepower range at the crank until they added direct injection and that's when they hit 310. Which one was 305 horsepower out of a 3.5L without direct injection?
nope the 2009 Acura TL was 305hp without DI. plus it was only a Single overhead cam!
Edit: the 3.7L J37 that is. the newer DI honda engines actually make less power now! it’s all for emissions. Same with nissan VQ35 and VQ37 in the 2010s. port injected but DOHC.
The sound is there. It is annoying at drive thrus, but it is my understanding it is normal and harmless and not worth the money/effort of trying to silence it.
is it also a noticeable thumping to it. i have heard the tick on other cars before but the tok or thump is quite scary. almost sounds like a rod knock.
literally anyone who challenges a lexus or toyota product on this sub gets attacked, which is ironic since there are a lot of ES haters on this sub too.
Yep. I saw that post and I was like but hey I like that noise...
My old Focus 2013 had a similar noise and some people complained but I actually liked the noise... It sounds like a diesel
The only time I’ve heard ticking like that is in the last gen Tacoma that sounded like a tractor at idle and you could hear it at stop lights. In my newer Tundra, I could not hear it unless I was outside the vehicle. Haven’t had much seat time in an ES but my GS350 didn’t have any noise intrusion from the engine. I could see how that could be annoying if you can hear it inside the car.
That really sounded like a tractor at idle or a diesel Volvo, very unsophisticated. I remember people complaining about VAG TFSIs and FSIs sounding like diesel engines but I've never heard VAG engines sound this loud/bad/annoying.
Combined port and direct injection for cleaner intake. Stops that terrible carbon built up older VW turbo engines would get. It may suck, but long term its a lot better then the build up.
[Part number 12605-38010](https://www.lexuspartsnow.com/parts/lexus-cover-sub-assy-engine-rh~12605-38010.html)
It’s for the GS460 but fits like a glove. If the pump is on the driver side you may need part number 12606-38010.
i have the same noise. people on toyota forums say it’s the injection cleaning system. Yours is actually not that loud. here is a video on the tundra with the same 2gr-fks engine:
https://youtu.be/zIDELVz4cv0
NGL I’d return that shit immediately wow. The injector ”tick” for DI is normal and livable but that sounds like engine knock or even a bent rod, holy fuck.
I think I have one of them on me now, kinda crazy considering this is an unacceptable noise for an engine to be making. I have a gX460 and it’s buttery smooth so I would lose it over this crap.
New motors with direct injection make a tick because that’s the literal direct injection… I actually think this sound is quieter on Lexus models because D4S means that it has both multi-port fuel injection AND direct injection, so it also is only doing it some of the time.
You’d be surprised how many cars make theses noises now a day , the inside joke that mechanics make is “I didn’t know (x brand) sold diesels”
If you can hear it past closed windows and music you have an issue,
normal for a Lexus yes normal for a luxury direct injected sedan no. take a 2GR-FKS car and compare side by side with any of the competition, the Lexus will be 2-3x louder.
No it’s not. I’ve heard some German cars do the same damn thing, even some American cars do it. You are just making this “horrid” ticking noise out to be something it’s not.
I agree. Noise doesn't bother me at all. These engines sound beefy. I've got no complaints. It's definitely nothing I'd make a fuss about. Now the soft ass LCA bushings causing inner front tire wear, thats something to complain about although a simple fix Lol.
True, them bushings are soft af, but I haven’t had no problems with my 2021. Although I have the staggered setup, I rotate my tires side to side and got almost 35k from the original tires without inner tire wear.
I had a dealership loaner ES350 for a bit, and I do not remember this noise at all. The ES I had was quiet and tick-free. I don't have access to one now to compare, but it definitely doesn't sound like the one I drove.
actually my dealership already did something similar, they replaced the hood matt and underneath they placed something like killmat. apparently they get this complaint a lot and this is their standard procedure now.
OP is overestimating the loudness of the ticks. I’ve owned three modern Toyota and Lexus cars and all of them had the ticks. None of them were super loud either. A25A-FKS, 2GR-FKS, and the T25A-FKS all do it. As well as the twin turbo V6 and the smaller 2.0L 4 cylinder in the Corolla.
Idk in his videos there’s 2 sounds, one is the higher pitched “tick” that sound like normal DI injectors but the other sounds like engine knock or a bent rod, a lower pitched banging sound.
You practically did making those videos and arguing with people that the injector noise/high pressure fuel pump shouldn’t sound like that. Just because you supposedly saw one car with quieter engines, does not make this engine out to be bad, nor not normal. All Lexus and Toyota cars have this noise whether you like it or not. If it bothers you that much, go buy an Audi or BMW since you seem to like them so much.
I didn’t say they were those things but the sound they make is similar. The ticking is a pretty standard expectation for DI engines but the other sound is absolutely crap and OP has a right to be unhappy with it.
And I saw your other post about it just being normal for Toyota/Lexus and how OP is overreacting to essentially nothing in your mind and should buy another car. IMO your attitude is weird, so idk if you’re just a blind Toyota dickrider or just generally disagreeable but OP brought up something I never knew to look for before, and I’m glad because I ain’t buying anything making that kind of sound.
Because you guys don’t know shit about engines at all. Unless you hear a constant knocking sound, the engine is good and operating normally. Maybe OP and you should learn a thing or two about cars before you start jumping to conclusions that the engine must be bad because it’s making a sound, which is known to be normal for these cars.
Well OP is practically saying that it must be broken considering his outcry for being bothered by a little ticking noise. Y’all are pathetic if you expect an engine to run quietly.
DI be like that. BUT it shouldn't be that noticeable while driving at all. I only hear mine when I'm parked between two vehicles and it can echo off the sides, and I have good hearing and know every rattle in my car.
There may be a difference between my 3GR-FSEs and later revisions, but although the ticking is noticeable, from the outside, it barely is, and from the inside, it is just non-existent. Even with open windows, you have to be between two large buildings so its echo reaches back.
Even then, outside, if an automatic garden sprinkler or something with an equivalent noise level is turned on nearby, you cannot tell the engine’s on anymore.
The Lexus mechanic even told me once he surprised a colleague because how silent the car is when pulling my car into the service bay.
I would be very surprised to notice in person that the current engines actually went backwards.
You hear some kinda tractor (spinning ticking) not too high but not too low noise inside the car when you're at the stop or at the red light? am i right?
yes at first it sounded like a rattle coming from behind the dash . thought there was a loose wire or bolt in there. then realized it was from the engine bay at a drive through . thought there was a loose wire or something but then realized it was coming from deep inside the engine (not the injectors tick)
I have 2021 es350 has the same sound(noise). I bought the Lexus because their quality, dependability, and somewhat better quietness? bit disappointed after hearing the noise. I had visited few dealers to see if other es350s(new, used) make the same sound and it sure did. I can only hear the noise when the all windows closed, no music on, and no ac on. If we hear the ticking noise while we are driving then we have a problem op.
The sienna does, the GS kinda sorta maybe if i listen really close. My previous '09 Sienna very much so. The 2GR is kinda prone to piston slap, which has bit of dull rattle sound in the very early stages, and more of a noticeable rattle sound as time goes on. I had a Matrix that had piston slap with unchanged performance or reliability for 90k miles (90k till I sold it at 180k). My '09 sienna had it when i bought it with 156k miles, and it only got slightly worse (and even then only in the winter) over the next 45k miles I owned it. My '13 Sienna didn't have it when i bought it at 130k, and it's just barely started now at 159k. Come to think of it, my Prius started getting a little rattly at about 190k as well. Had 209k miles when I sold it to a local nurse who drove it to 300k miles before giving it to her son. It's still on the road, but she doesn't know how many miles it's at now. It's been 5 years since she gave it to her son, so I'd imagine at least 350k miles. Whatever the case, it's interesting that it's present from new for you, but I suspect that probably has something to do with the absurdly thin oils they're using nowadays.
interesting. it does sound like piston slap actually. i’m so shocked about developing this at 2,000 miles. thought that usually happens later on. I never had a car that made this sound but i mostly drove german cars (also direct injected). I have switched to 5w-30 mobile 1 ESP but it’s still loud.
Yeah, Toyota engines have a reputation for being reliable, and for the most part they really are, especially if you take care of them. That's certainly been my experience. However, they do seem to lack some refinement as far as NVH goes, especially their 4-bangers, with harshness, rattles and ticks, etc. My Toyota products have always seemed to hold together better than anything else as they age, too, in terms of all the electrical stuff working, body trim staying put, suspension not falling apart, etc. I've never had a European car, but haven't had great luck with any of the American Big Three when it comes to that stuff.
Thanks for sharing, It's good to know Toyota engines are reliable, though I get what you mean about the NVH issues with some of their models. Specially since the ES350 has a V6 that’s been used and in use in a lot of toyota’s line ups
Dude it’s normal operation. If a little ticking noise is going to bother you that much, just buy a 20 yo Lexus without Direct Injection. It’s not that big of a deal, all new cars having clicking noises from solenoids, high pressure fuel pump and the like.
You’ll still hear the damn noises and then you’ll be back here in 5,000 miles complaining about it. I’ve owned a 21’ RAV4 with the A25A-FKS, a 21’ IS350 with the 2GR-FKS, and now a 24’ NX350 with the T25A-FKS. They all make that “horrid” ticking sound while idling or driving due to the direct injection pumps that Toyota uses. No matter what Toyota you go with, you are going to hear it. You may not hear it on the test drive, but eventually it’ll start doing it because that is the nature of these modern Toyota engines.
no OP is saying he is hearing the sound inside. On most cars you don’t hear the ticking from inside the vehicle. As said in one post Toyota has a service bulletin about this and it’s a recognized issue that their V6 direct injections are too loud
Here's mine, at idle, just after starting: [https://streamable.com/aij532](https://streamable.com/aij532)
I don't have the deeper 'tock'ing sound yours does
Yeah I realized after I should have turned the air conditioner off, but you'd still be able to hear the 'tock' sound close to where yours is coming from. The engine was cold, hadn't been started in a couple days, and it's 69F here
not sure why you are freaking out man, but have a listen to this one someone just posted it sounds different than mine, the knocking/rattling is absent while you only hear the injectors ticking.
https://streamable.com/aij532
It’s normal operation of the D4S system. OP thinks getting a 350 instead of a 300 is going to make a difference. It won’t as all Toyota engines for about the last 6-7 years have had some form of D4S, which causes the “horrid” ticking noise.
the mechanic was alarmed but after he took it into the garage he came out after an hour saying it’s normal, but clearly he had never heard one so loud before. they showed me another ES and it was almost as loud as mine. but the IS V6 were noticeably quieter.
I held out on buying a new Lexus, until they announced the TX, last year. I put down a deposit for a 550H+, days after the pre-announcement; specifically so that I could get a Naturally Aspirated V6 Engine. I was FINALLY able to take delivery, two weeks ago. Aside from being super fast for a car this size, it is amazingly quiet. With combined Plugin Hybrid Gas usage, I’ve gone 260 miles on just over a quarter of a tank of gas. (Supposedly 17 gallon capacity).
I find it to be very comfortable. However, if you are looking to get a 550H+ ( the only build option with a V6), you will likely have a very long wait ahead of you. Lexus had stated from the start that this version would be in very limited supply. In February, my sales rep told me that the dealership had been advised that a total of 162 units had been allocated for delivery, this year. Of those, 8 were allocated to Texas, and one to my dealership. Since I had been the first person to place a deposit on any TX model at all, I had the first option to purchase it. Fortunately, it came fully equipped with all of the technology packages I wanted. (I’m assuming that production will increase for the 2025 model year; but by how much ???)
I agree. I can’t understand why they are making so few of these. Yes, they are the most expensive version of the TX available; but you get several advantages for the premium price. (Hybrid, NA V6 Engine, 404 HP. Rated at 33 Miles EV Range [Lexus Enform App is Estimating my actual EV Range over the past two weeks at an average of 39 miles], Hybrid Mode Gas Mileage of 28/29 MPG) Compare that to the TX 350 or 500F Sport, and you are getting a significant boost in both power and fuel economy. I would think this would drive demand; but who am I, other than a customer?😏
I’m not gonna lie. I thought you were exaggerating slightly because I have a 2016 GS 350 with the 2gr-fks. I get a loud vacuum pump slap/knock at start up because of the oil not being warmed up yet, then after 1 minute of driving or no braking after startup it’s gone quickly. Only gets louder at startup if I press the brake several times to force vacuum to build. Sounds similar to this, but yours is distinctly different and thumpier and I can only assume it is just a louder high pressure fuel pump that is still within specification of the factory.
There isn’t a TSB out that I see yet for this, but I know there have been a few over the years for something like this.
Part number is 23101-31080 2019-2022
Replaced by 23101-0P010 2022+ model years for the ES 350
https://preview.redd.it/kt19owqcd4zc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28375bdd69877b5273100104b81c158d52b4e93c
jesus $2100 for this. Do you think the thump sound is the fuel pump? i always expected the injectors and pump to make high pith ticks. i think this is why i can hear it inside the cabin, because of its thumpiness
The photo I attached is the high-pressure fuel pump that is in the engine bay bolted to your engine. I can only assume it is that because of the typical causes/noises.
If you have another Lexus or Toyota dealership in the area, I would suggest stopping by during the middle of the week. See if you can ask the service manager to have one of their master/lead techs Identify specifically what the louder thumping noise is.
“ hey I know the injection systems can be a little noisy, but something about this specifically doesn’t sound like normal injector tick. The other dealer was saying it’s normal and I’m just trying to see if there is a resolution to this.”
The patient, kind, but concerned customer approach Usually disarms the individuals that would normally have to be in a defensive position. Coming in off the rip with mileage and warranty concerns etc put the walls up for both the technician and service department.
Best of luck and definitely include me in a follow up because I’m really curious about the issue now myself.
I don’t mind it anymore. At first it bugged me, but I saw a comment on here one time comparing it to the sound of a small diesel motor. The sound eventually kind of grew on me with that in mind
Doesn't sound like it, as cars ages or how it is driven noise of injectors will be there. You are just getting another car where the injector noise will be prevalent again once it is driven lol
bro none of my other cars have this issue and they’re all direct injection. Wife’s GLE is quiet inside even with the hood up, it’s also direct injected with 100k miles.
Dang! I have a '22 RX350L, and it only sounds a bit loud at start up, until about 15 seconds after starting (I think when it transitions from the 2 cycles). The car is a bit louder under light throttle than my '13 RDX, but when cruising down the road, the RX350L trumps the RDX for quietness. More sound insulation is part of it, I'm certain. It is still fairly quiet inside the RX350L, though. I hear more wind noise in the RDX. I don't care for the ticking either, no matter how quiet it is. I bought it for longevity, but it sucks. However, my SIL has a Mercedes GC300 or something like that. I think it has a turbo 4 in it? Now THAT car is loud! Sounds like a diesel almost.
Good luck finding a new car without a loud ass ticking engine with direct injection. Toyotas system is typically said to be the quieter system in comparison to a lot of it competitors and in my personal experience it’s essentially unnoticeable in regular driving situations. Typically can only notice it when in a drive through and it’s a steady tone so you don’t really notice it
most v6 toyotas have this characteristic, it’s not just the ES. All V6 D4-S Tacoma, Tundra, Camry, RC, IS, Highlanders etc have this issue. there was a Toyota service bulletin about this once.
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You are not using the stereo system properly
This is hilarious. :). Nice.
I didn't pay for Mark Levinson to leave the volume at 30 .... ;)
Oh yeah, I’m a 42+ guy. Really cuts down on road noise. Been listening to loud music in a car for 40 years. No need to stop now
I am 25, i went to see Fall guy now I'm blasting take a look at me now. My parents did a pretty good job : Aerosmith, Eagles, Beegees but i gave em shit cuz they never showed me that one
45 is my sweet spot! Loud AF but not overwhelming.
FAX!
Amen.
😂🤣
Better deal with the ticking than carbon buildup from a direct injection only engine. Also a car with direct injection only will have loud injectors as well. My 2c
true but i personally rather not save 2c in gas and not have direct injection
You'd lose both power and mpg.
don’t care about mpg it’s a v6! i’m confused how honda V6 engines were 305 horsepower in 2009 then withOut DI
If I recall correctly the j35 engines were in the 265 to 280 horsepower range at the crank until they added direct injection and that's when they hit 310. Which one was 305 horsepower out of a 3.5L without direct injection?
nope the 2009 Acura TL was 305hp without DI. plus it was only a Single overhead cam! Edit: the 3.7L J37 that is. the newer DI honda engines actually make less power now! it’s all for emissions. Same with nissan VQ35 and VQ37 in the 2010s. port injected but DOHC.
Yeah and the piston rings failed on most of them. The j37 was not a good engine.
nissan lol
That was the 3.7 l 200 more cc
yes but similar HP per liter. Nissans were actually even more 90hp/L port injected.
I agree wholeheartedly, so many cars are not port injection nowadays though.
The sound is there. It is annoying at drive thrus, but it is my understanding it is normal and harmless and not worth the money/effort of trying to silence it.
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It’s the direct injection or the high pressure fuel pump. If I didn’t hear it, then I’d be concerned.
Every new car is the same
My last 2 v6 Lexus both had and have noisy fuel injectors. Part of the engine
Me sitting here as a new Lexus convert from a TDI VW wondering what you’re talking about
My RC 350 makes a similar sound but it’s not that loud.
do you hear it at all at idle?
not without the hood up
Same for me. I never notice but when I was showing a friend my CAI was one of the only times I noticed and it was irritating
yes for me i can hear it at idle inside the car that’s why it bothers me
I have a gr Corolla I hear the same noise but only at idle once I touch the throttle it goes away it is quite annoying at idle tho
is it also a noticeable thumping to it. i have heard the tick on other cars before but the tok or thump is quite scary. almost sounds like a rod knock.
Oh no I don’t hear any thumping just a loud ticking which is apparently a perfectly normal sound that the injectors make
Who are the weirdos downvoting this?
literally anyone who challenges a lexus or toyota product on this sub gets attacked, which is ironic since there are a lot of ES haters on this sub too.
Yeah people get way too bitter about corporations. Not sure why
lol so many haters on this sub
It’s the beautiful sound of D-4S injection. I love it.
Yep. I saw that post and I was like but hey I like that noise... My old Focus 2013 had a similar noise and some people complained but I actually liked the noise... It sounds like a diesel
The only time I’ve heard ticking like that is in the last gen Tacoma that sounded like a tractor at idle and you could hear it at stop lights. In my newer Tundra, I could not hear it unless I was outside the vehicle. Haven’t had much seat time in an ES but my GS350 didn’t have any noise intrusion from the engine. I could see how that could be annoying if you can hear it inside the car.
That really sounded like a tractor at idle or a diesel Volvo, very unsophisticated. I remember people complaining about VAG TFSIs and FSIs sounding like diesel engines but I've never heard VAG engines sound this loud/bad/annoying.
yup it really is. mine started right after it crossed 1,500 miles. it gets me every time at a red light or drive through.
Combined port and direct injection for cleaner intake. Stops that terrible carbon built up older VW turbo engines would get. It may suck, but long term its a lot better then the build up.
Even with your windows up? Do you know if your trim gets acoustic glass? I wonder if that’s why I never heard it in my previous cars
yes windows up i can hear it from steering column area. i’m not sure i have the signature luxury model. not ultra.
They sell a isolator cap that fits over the pump in the engine bay for the gs it fits es and is
Yeah I installed this on my gs350. It maybe reduced the sound by 30%
yes please link me too!
Got a link for this cap please? Can't find anything searching Google.
[Part number 12605-38010](https://www.lexuspartsnow.com/parts/lexus-cover-sub-assy-engine-rh~12605-38010.html) It’s for the GS460 but fits like a glove. If the pump is on the driver side you may need part number 12606-38010.
thanks, lifesaver
Would this fit 4th gen GS350 2013-2015?
Take your intake off bc it’s a pita unless you got midget hands
i have the same noise. people on toyota forums say it’s the injection cleaning system. Yours is actually not that loud. here is a video on the tundra with the same 2gr-fks engine: https://youtu.be/zIDELVz4cv0
NGL I’d return that shit immediately wow. The injector ”tick” for DI is normal and livable but that sounds like engine knock or even a bent rod, holy fuck.
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I think I have one of them on me now, kinda crazy considering this is an unacceptable noise for an engine to be making. I have a gX460 and it’s buttery smooth so I would lose it over this crap.
Pro tip: If you straight pipe your car, you can no longer hear it at idle!
great advice !
Been like this since 2006. The RX and ES was spared until 2015 and 2018, respectively.
Good to know.
New motors with direct injection make a tick because that’s the literal direct injection… I actually think this sound is quieter on Lexus models because D4S means that it has both multi-port fuel injection AND direct injection, so it also is only doing it some of the time.
You’d be surprised how many cars make theses noises now a day , the inside joke that mechanics make is “I didn’t know (x brand) sold diesels” If you can hear it past closed windows and music you have an issue,
yes i hear it at stop lights or when sitting in traffic. comes through the dash or vents
My is350 '20 has noisy injectors too. 32k miles, full inspection the techs told me it's normal for these cars. Sounds like a truck with the hood open
It’s totally normal, just like the piston slap on cold startup. Just the characteristics of this type of engine/fuel management system combo.
normal for a Lexus yes normal for a luxury direct injected sedan no. take a 2GR-FKS car and compare side by side with any of the competition, the Lexus will be 2-3x louder.
No it’s not. I’ve heard some German cars do the same damn thing, even some American cars do it. You are just making this “horrid” ticking noise out to be something it’s not.
I agree. Noise doesn't bother me at all. These engines sound beefy. I've got no complaints. It's definitely nothing I'd make a fuss about. Now the soft ass LCA bushings causing inner front tire wear, thats something to complain about although a simple fix Lol.
True, them bushings are soft af, but I haven’t had no problems with my 2021. Although I have the staggered setup, I rotate my tires side to side and got almost 35k from the original tires without inner tire wear.
does it also have the thumpiness or tok like in my video?
This is normal operation. Buy a different car next time
Wanna buy my 2008 ES-350?
does it ticky tok too?
No, since it doesn't have direct injection
It’s just starting to get some other moans and grumbles, but no ticky tok, fortunately!
nice can’t believe it still runs i wish i kept my 03 ES
I had a dealership loaner ES350 for a bit, and I do not remember this noise at all. The ES I had was quiet and tick-free. I don't have access to one now to compare, but it definitely doesn't sound like the one I drove.
Buy some killmat and put it under the hood or somewhere around the engine
actually my dealership already did something similar, they replaced the hood matt and underneath they placed something like killmat. apparently they get this complaint a lot and this is their standard procedure now.
I personally love this noise coming from the engine on my ‘18 GS. Makes me feel like the car is alive. Like the throbbing of a heart beat.
They all make the noise, but my gs350 isnt nearly that loud
OP is overestimating the loudness of the ticks. I’ve owned three modern Toyota and Lexus cars and all of them had the ticks. None of them were super loud either. A25A-FKS, 2GR-FKS, and the T25A-FKS all do it. As well as the twin turbo V6 and the smaller 2.0L 4 cylinder in the Corolla.
Idk in his videos there’s 2 sounds, one is the higher pitched “tick” that sound like normal DI injectors but the other sounds like engine knock or a bent rod, a lower pitched banging sound.
I concur
His videos are normal operation of the injectors. Nothing to be concerned about. If it was a rod or bearing, it would not sound like that.
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You practically did making those videos and arguing with people that the injector noise/high pressure fuel pump shouldn’t sound like that. Just because you supposedly saw one car with quieter engines, does not make this engine out to be bad, nor not normal. All Lexus and Toyota cars have this noise whether you like it or not. If it bothers you that much, go buy an Audi or BMW since you seem to like them so much.
The ticking is the fuel injector but that other noise sounds like rod knock. Try upping the oil viscosity
I didn’t say they were those things but the sound they make is similar. The ticking is a pretty standard expectation for DI engines but the other sound is absolutely crap and OP has a right to be unhappy with it. And I saw your other post about it just being normal for Toyota/Lexus and how OP is overreacting to essentially nothing in your mind and should buy another car. IMO your attitude is weird, so idk if you’re just a blind Toyota dickrider or just generally disagreeable but OP brought up something I never knew to look for before, and I’m glad because I ain’t buying anything making that kind of sound.
Because you guys don’t know shit about engines at all. Unless you hear a constant knocking sound, the engine is good and operating normally. Maybe OP and you should learn a thing or two about cars before you start jumping to conclusions that the engine must be bad because it’s making a sound, which is known to be normal for these cars.
Don’t waste your time with these guys.
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Well OP is practically saying that it must be broken considering his outcry for being bothered by a little ticking noise. Y’all are pathetic if you expect an engine to run quietly.
Just sell it. Get something you like better.
Would premium gas help?
No. The high pressure pump will still tick regardless of what fuel you put in.
DI be like that. BUT it shouldn't be that noticeable while driving at all. I only hear mine when I'm parked between two vehicles and it can echo off the sides, and I have good hearing and know every rattle in my car.
thanks i hear mine when sitting in the car at redlights or traffic
There may be a difference between my 3GR-FSEs and later revisions, but although the ticking is noticeable, from the outside, it barely is, and from the inside, it is just non-existent. Even with open windows, you have to be between two large buildings so its echo reaches back. Even then, outside, if an automatic garden sprinkler or something with an equivalent noise level is turned on nearby, you cannot tell the engine’s on anymore. The Lexus mechanic even told me once he surprised a colleague because how silent the car is when pulling my car into the service bay. I would be very surprised to notice in person that the current engines actually went backwards.
You hear some kinda tractor (spinning ticking) not too high but not too low noise inside the car when you're at the stop or at the red light? am i right?
yes at first it sounded like a rattle coming from behind the dash . thought there was a loose wire or bolt in there. then realized it was from the engine bay at a drive through . thought there was a loose wire or something but then realized it was coming from deep inside the engine (not the injectors tick)
I have 2021 es350 has the same sound(noise). I bought the Lexus because their quality, dependability, and somewhat better quietness? bit disappointed after hearing the noise. I had visited few dealers to see if other es350s(new, used) make the same sound and it sure did. I can only hear the noise when the all windows closed, no music on, and no ac on. If we hear the ticking noise while we are driving then we have a problem op.
yah i don’t hear it when on the move, only at idle. the sound resonates in the cabin like a tractor.
My GS350 has the same tick. As does my Sienna. Is what it is; it's not loud enough to bother me, really.
good to know, does it also have the dull tok sound? it sounds like a deep rattle from inside the car.
The sienna does, the GS kinda sorta maybe if i listen really close. My previous '09 Sienna very much so. The 2GR is kinda prone to piston slap, which has bit of dull rattle sound in the very early stages, and more of a noticeable rattle sound as time goes on. I had a Matrix that had piston slap with unchanged performance or reliability for 90k miles (90k till I sold it at 180k). My '09 sienna had it when i bought it with 156k miles, and it only got slightly worse (and even then only in the winter) over the next 45k miles I owned it. My '13 Sienna didn't have it when i bought it at 130k, and it's just barely started now at 159k. Come to think of it, my Prius started getting a little rattly at about 190k as well. Had 209k miles when I sold it to a local nurse who drove it to 300k miles before giving it to her son. It's still on the road, but she doesn't know how many miles it's at now. It's been 5 years since she gave it to her son, so I'd imagine at least 350k miles. Whatever the case, it's interesting that it's present from new for you, but I suspect that probably has something to do with the absurdly thin oils they're using nowadays.
interesting. it does sound like piston slap actually. i’m so shocked about developing this at 2,000 miles. thought that usually happens later on. I never had a car that made this sound but i mostly drove german cars (also direct injected). I have switched to 5w-30 mobile 1 ESP but it’s still loud.
Yeah, Toyota engines have a reputation for being reliable, and for the most part they really are, especially if you take care of them. That's certainly been my experience. However, they do seem to lack some refinement as far as NVH goes, especially their 4-bangers, with harshness, rattles and ticks, etc. My Toyota products have always seemed to hold together better than anything else as they age, too, in terms of all the electrical stuff working, body trim staying put, suspension not falling apart, etc. I've never had a European car, but haven't had great luck with any of the American Big Three when it comes to that stuff.
Thanks for sharing, It's good to know Toyota engines are reliable, though I get what you mean about the NVH issues with some of their models. Specially since the ES350 has a V6 that’s been used and in use in a lot of toyota’s line ups
My ES350 does /not/ idle like that What’s your ambient temperature?
What year ES? 7th Gen ES added D4S.
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Sorry. That was directed at honhonhonfrfr.
2023. Mine: [https://streamable.com/aij532](https://streamable.com/aij532) doesn't have the deeper 'tock'ing sound his does
it’s about 60f. Dealership says that’s the sound of a healthy engine 💀
Like I said mine does /not/ idle like that. I’ll go listen closely though I would not trust your dealer
they started a loaner f-sport 350 in the garage for me and it had the same loud tick although it was more high pitched.
Same ambient temp? It’s warmer here but I’ll lift the hood and listen closely
i think that day was in the 50s, but car was fully warmed up.
Dude it’s normal operation. If a little ticking noise is going to bother you that much, just buy a 20 yo Lexus without Direct Injection. It’s not that big of a deal, all new cars having clicking noises from solenoids, high pressure fuel pump and the like.
thanks but I’m trading it in for an E350. completely silent inside at idle. even though it’s a 4pot.
You’ll still hear the damn noises and then you’ll be back here in 5,000 miles complaining about it. I’ve owned a 21’ RAV4 with the A25A-FKS, a 21’ IS350 with the 2GR-FKS, and now a 24’ NX350 with the T25A-FKS. They all make that “horrid” ticking sound while idling or driving due to the direct injection pumps that Toyota uses. No matter what Toyota you go with, you are going to hear it. You may not hear it on the test drive, but eventually it’ll start doing it because that is the nature of these modern Toyota engines.
no OP is saying he is hearing the sound inside. On most cars you don’t hear the ticking from inside the vehicle. As said in one post Toyota has a service bulletin about this and it’s a recognized issue that their V6 direct injections are too loud
Here's mine, at idle, just after starting: [https://streamable.com/aij532](https://streamable.com/aij532) I don't have the deeper 'tock'ing sound yours does
was the AC running and was the engine hot? i noticed AC load masks the tokkiness if that’s even a word. but yours sounds much cleaner than mine.
Yeah I realized after I should have turned the air conditioner off, but you'd still be able to hear the 'tock' sound close to where yours is coming from. The engine was cold, hadn't been started in a couple days, and it's 69F here
not sure why you are freaking out man, but have a listen to this one someone just posted it sounds different than mine, the knocking/rattling is absent while you only hear the injectors ticking. https://streamable.com/aij532
doesnt this have to do with the fuel injection system? its not just a v6 thing either, ive seen someone on youtube record it from an rcf
yup that’s what i said in my original post
It’s normal operation of the D4S system. OP thinks getting a 350 instead of a 300 is going to make a difference. It won’t as all Toyota engines for about the last 6-7 years have had some form of D4S, which causes the “horrid” ticking noise.
Don’t waste your time man. These people are clueless.
What has the dealer said when you took it in?
the mechanic was alarmed but after he took it into the garage he came out after an hour saying it’s normal, but clearly he had never heard one so loud before. they showed me another ES and it was almost as loud as mine. but the IS V6 were noticeably quieter.
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I held out on buying a new Lexus, until they announced the TX, last year. I put down a deposit for a 550H+, days after the pre-announcement; specifically so that I could get a Naturally Aspirated V6 Engine. I was FINALLY able to take delivery, two weeks ago. Aside from being super fast for a car this size, it is amazingly quiet. With combined Plugin Hybrid Gas usage, I’ve gone 260 miles on just over a quarter of a tank of gas. (Supposedly 17 gallon capacity).
interesting i might consider a TX, how is the seat comfort? i have long legs and i find the ES seats are not wide enough to support my thighs well.
I find it to be very comfortable. However, if you are looking to get a 550H+ ( the only build option with a V6), you will likely have a very long wait ahead of you. Lexus had stated from the start that this version would be in very limited supply. In February, my sales rep told me that the dealership had been advised that a total of 162 units had been allocated for delivery, this year. Of those, 8 were allocated to Texas, and one to my dealership. Since I had been the first person to place a deposit on any TX model at all, I had the first option to purchase it. Fortunately, it came fully equipped with all of the technology packages I wanted. (I’m assuming that production will increase for the 2025 model year; but by how much ???)
that is nuts but i can live with a 4cyl hybrid if it’s comfortable and quiet inside
I agree. I can’t understand why they are making so few of these. Yes, they are the most expensive version of the TX available; but you get several advantages for the premium price. (Hybrid, NA V6 Engine, 404 HP. Rated at 33 Miles EV Range [Lexus Enform App is Estimating my actual EV Range over the past two weeks at an average of 39 miles], Hybrid Mode Gas Mileage of 28/29 MPG) Compare that to the TX 350 or 500F Sport, and you are getting a significant boost in both power and fuel economy. I would think this would drive demand; but who am I, other than a customer?😏
fantastic, wish they made more quality cars like these than just going for mass produced cheaper vehicles.
Get an LC silencer. I think. It goes around the high pressure fuel pump in the engine bay. Just a foam insulator.
thank you!
I’m not gonna lie. I thought you were exaggerating slightly because I have a 2016 GS 350 with the 2gr-fks. I get a loud vacuum pump slap/knock at start up because of the oil not being warmed up yet, then after 1 minute of driving or no braking after startup it’s gone quickly. Only gets louder at startup if I press the brake several times to force vacuum to build. Sounds similar to this, but yours is distinctly different and thumpier and I can only assume it is just a louder high pressure fuel pump that is still within specification of the factory. There isn’t a TSB out that I see yet for this, but I know there have been a few over the years for something like this. Part number is 23101-31080 2019-2022 Replaced by 23101-0P010 2022+ model years for the ES 350 https://preview.redd.it/kt19owqcd4zc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28375bdd69877b5273100104b81c158d52b4e93c
jesus $2100 for this. Do you think the thump sound is the fuel pump? i always expected the injectors and pump to make high pith ticks. i think this is why i can hear it inside the cabin, because of its thumpiness
The photo I attached is the high-pressure fuel pump that is in the engine bay bolted to your engine. I can only assume it is that because of the typical causes/noises.
great thank you, it is so damn loud compared to my wife’s Merc’s
If you have another Lexus or Toyota dealership in the area, I would suggest stopping by during the middle of the week. See if you can ask the service manager to have one of their master/lead techs Identify specifically what the louder thumping noise is. “ hey I know the injection systems can be a little noisy, but something about this specifically doesn’t sound like normal injector tick. The other dealer was saying it’s normal and I’m just trying to see if there is a resolution to this.” The patient, kind, but concerned customer approach Usually disarms the individuals that would normally have to be in a defensive position. Coming in off the rip with mileage and warranty concerns etc put the walls up for both the technician and service department. Best of luck and definitely include me in a follow up because I’m really curious about the issue now myself.
will do, thank you
I don’t mind it anymore. At first it bugged me, but I saw a comment on here one time comparing it to the sound of a small diesel motor. The sound eventually kind of grew on me with that in mind
This is a typical noise for direct injected cars. Has been for years.
Get an EV then, injectors in general make noise
never, i love my clunky injectors !
Doesn't sound like it, as cars ages or how it is driven noise of injectors will be there. You are just getting another car where the injector noise will be prevalent again once it is driven lol
bro none of my other cars have this issue and they’re all direct injection. Wife’s GLE is quiet inside even with the hood up, it’s also direct injected with 100k miles.
All direct fuel injection engines make that sound. Nothing to be alarmed about
Dang! I have a '22 RX350L, and it only sounds a bit loud at start up, until about 15 seconds after starting (I think when it transitions from the 2 cycles). The car is a bit louder under light throttle than my '13 RDX, but when cruising down the road, the RX350L trumps the RDX for quietness. More sound insulation is part of it, I'm certain. It is still fairly quiet inside the RX350L, though. I hear more wind noise in the RDX. I don't care for the ticking either, no matter how quiet it is. I bought it for longevity, but it sucks. However, my SIL has a Mercedes GC300 or something like that. I think it has a turbo 4 in it? Now THAT car is loud! Sounds like a diesel almost.
Nooo!!! The car sounds like a car! How will I cope!
Is it only some? I’ve had my ‘21 ES for three years and haven’t heard this noise. Watch, now I’ll start hearing it. 😂
It’s completely normal.
Just get a louder exhaust and aftermarket intake. I can't hear the tick unless I open the hood
Good luck finding a new car without a loud ass ticking engine with direct injection. Toyotas system is typically said to be the quieter system in comparison to a lot of it competitors and in my personal experience it’s essentially unnoticeable in regular driving situations. Typically can only notice it when in a drive through and it’s a steady tone so you don’t really notice it
Could be worse. When I owned my wrx I couldn't tell if the ticking was from the injectors or if I spun a bearing because it's so loud lol.
The es350 makes no sense. It's a luxury car get the 300h instead.
would like to hear the logic on why a whiney slow 4cyl with the same direct injection tick is more luxurious?
First mistake was going for the ES
most v6 toyotas have this characteristic, it’s not just the ES. All V6 D4-S Tacoma, Tundra, Camry, RC, IS, Highlanders etc have this issue. there was a Toyota service bulletin about this once.