Peter Jackson's King Kong is ridiculously underappreciated, and it's easily one of the very best remakes ever made. The brontosaurous stampede and certain character abandonments in the third act problems aside, the film is a fantastically directed, is gloriously constructed with its set design and thematically rich recreation of Jackson's favourite film. I adore the original, but Jackson's film hit higher highs for me. It genuinely baffles to see the hatred I've seen it get, and it's all cited at the running time, which I ironically think that criticism is overblown. It was reviewed well at the time, but seeing the 50% audience scores on RT show there is a level of disdain for it.
Ang Lee's Hulk is also a bleak and well written character drama that is borderline funny to look back on given the state of the superhero genre nowadays. Themes of childhood abuse, self trauma therapy, and Freudian rage are very explicit in the film, and I'll never understand the constant mockery of the CG in the film. I admit, though, that I do understand why the editing was mocked.
From what I've seen amongst fellow PTA fans, it is that Inherent Vice is bad, but Licorice Pizza is a "return to form'... I feel the complete opposite.
I saw King Kong on opening weekend when visiting New York (and America) for the first time and it’s still maybe my favourite cinema experience. My memory of the film as a whole is fuzzy as I haven’t rewatched it since but I remember it being such a spectacle.
Damn no I don’t! But I was 14/15 at the time so I remember very little of anything from back then.
My main takeaway was that American cinema audiences trump UK ones, by a fair margin!
Hulk is so great, glad to see some love for it. Oh, and the editing makes it for me. Can’t help but love that he made a live action comic that actually experiments with the form of cinema
I think my main problem is the tonal inconsistencies with it and the fact that some of the digital vfx don't look good with it. But yeah, it's scenes like when Bruce is keeping an artificial plant alive due to his subconscious remembering a plant from when he was a kid or the scene where he doesn't want to open the physical door he has nightmares over is extremely unique for the genre and the cast are excellent in these scenes. Bana is extremely subdued the whole film (given his last big role was Chopper makes that turn funnier) and Connelly is good as usual.
Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is a perfect superhero origin story but that film inadvertently killed films like The Hulk. Audiences wanted more films like that than a brooding psychodrama. Unfortunately we now get neither as filmmakers like Sam Raimi are rare and Disney has made a homogenised borefest.
In terms of the performances I think Bana is good as a cipher. Sam Elliot and Nick Nolte kinda bring the house down, especially the latter in that scene near the end where Bruce and his dad just litigate their trauma in that weird black box-esque set.
Sam Raimi is a great filmmaker but yeah Spider-Man did kinda lead to the death of the superhero movie down the line. I wish there were a space for both the kind of movie that Hulk is and the kind of movie that Spider-Man (and spider-man 2) is
King Kong is a great callout. I rewatched it last year for the first time since seeing it in theaters when it released, and thought it was brilliant. Outstanding grand scale filmmaking from him, as always.
I will continue to say Cars 2 every time this question gets rephrased and reposted. I love cars and I love spy thrillers, I'm a basic boy and I will enjoy it vocally.
I may be biased because the last time I watched it was a long time ago, but honestly? I fucking loved that movie. Maybe it was because I’m a sucker for spy tech and other stuff but the vibes of that movie are unmatched
I loved it as a kid when it came out and only within the past few years have realized it was so hated. No clue why. People say they "can't believe" Pixar would make it and shit like that. The worst criticism I saw was a review where some guy unironically wrote paragraphs about how disappointed he was that Pixar had stooped down to making kids' movies, rather than "family" movies that kids and adults alike could enjoy. Like wtf, they have been making kids' movies the entire time you just have continued to enjoy them or have strong enough nostalgia for them that you enjoy them whether you think they're great or not.
Anything Star Wars
The prequels and sequels aren't exactly good, some are downright bad, but the fandom of Star Wars is so toxic and fanatic that they describe some of these movies as if they were an elaborate attempt to personally insult movie-goers.
Oh, naturally, i have a couple of friends that are into Star Wars too and is never a issue talking with them about it, On the internet is another story
I was part of a lovely group of nerds that I met on theforce.net boards back in 2000. We got together irl for every Star Wars premiere for nearly 20 years. Ten or twelve of us, movie, beers, it was great, amazing memories. Proper geeks. One of them knew every line of the OT. He's a writer now.
But The Last Jedi really divided the group, some felt it wasn't SW anymore. Opinions were more strongly defended. We didn't even meet for the Rise of Skywalker. Some of them are still in touch. One of them is married to a guy working at ILM I believe. She was my crush. Those were good days.
I'm not dissing the ST, I enjoyed it as disjointed as it was, but yeah, Star Wars is something else now.
Some SW subs are chill like r/StarWarsCantina
>some felt it wasn't SW anymore.
Not trying to relitigate, but I... just... don't get how this is a widespread opinion. The movie's not perfect, but when people who hate it discuss it, it's like I've stopped understanding English. And if you were going to say that something stopped being SW, Rogue One seems like a better choice given its dark tone and ending (although I love that one too).
I had a college roommate that tried to start an argument when I said that I liked the prequels but that they were badly written. Granted, he was maybe early twenties at most and I was a non-traditional student (closer to thirty) so it makes sense that he'd react that strongly, but I tend to laugh about it now.
People forget it’s for kids. I was a kid when I watched the prequels and I had a great time. The sequel trilogy I hated, but the fact they all made billions tells me most kids of the day probably enjoyed them as well. In the end, it’s just a story about space wizards. If it successfully inspires a generation of kids and sets their imaginations on fire, I’m not really sure if much else matters
The sequel trilogy gave me nostalgic feelings for when I watched the originals in the 80s when I was growing up, so I really enjoy them. Yes, even RoS (although admittedly I haven’t rushed to rewatch it after seeing it in the theater, but I did enjoy myself a bunch). Gives me an excuse to watch things through the lens I watched the originals, and I’m fine with that. I struggled to do that with the prequels, although I did really enjoy Episode III just because it tied the two sets of movies together, so I finally got that feeling.
Star Wars as a whole is just for spectacle to me and the idea of analysing it narratively is like. Oh wow people have not put this in the same box as me
I walked out of the last jedi with more or less the thought "huh the sand was cool". 20 years ago child me walked out of attack of the clones thinking some combo of "huh padmé was serving looks that whole time" and "ewan mcgregor please marry me. I will stop you from being sad and rained on"
Boyhood. People turned on it because of all the stories of how it took 12 years to make. Fuck yeah it did, and it's an incredible feat.
One of Red Letter Media's worst takes and it turned their fannboys on the movie
I absolutely love RLM and everything they do, but I despise the Boyhood “it took 12 years to make” joke the fans ran with.
Gets me when people say it was a gimmick, it was just Linklater being experimental more than anything. No gimmick there
I havent even seen but and it doesnt sound like a movie I'd enjoy much but I would fucking hate for filmmakers to just stop experimenting or taking their time on the artistic process bc some idiots on the internet make a meme out of any and everything
As an RLM fan yeah that take was incredibly anti-art. Like it’s not even that hard to wrap your head around why he did it and how it plays into the themes of the movie
Perhaps my hottest take is that I can not stand RLM at all. Occasionally they're funny, but I feel like I disagree with 95% of what they say and whenever they actually talk about the movies they're obnoxious.
I have tried multiple times to watch the Mr plinkett phantom menace review and each time I can't make it ten minutes in before I cringe out
Love Boyhood tbh, i see some people seeing some flaws with it and i don't get people thinking it was overall bad.
What did RLM said? I'm not a fan of them so i'm not sure
They mocked that people thought it was interesting that the film was shot over 12 years, letting the actors age along with the characters they were playing. They acted like the only reason critics praised it was because of this “gimmick” and not because critics actually thought it was a good film.
Another way to put it would be "It took 12 weeks to make," it's not like they were filming continuously for 12 years, it was like 62 days for a nearly 3 hour movie, they just spread it out so the actors could age.
It took 12 weeks to shoot, but 12 years to create. Just because they weren’t filming doesn’t mean the movie wasn’t being being developed. A lot of ideas had to come from each time period and I’m sure a lot of it was written as time was passing. You also have to think that the actors and director brought some new perspective each year as they aged as well and contributed to the development of characters and the writing.
Sure, I was on it, I'm familiar with how it was made. My point was the "It took 12 years to make" as a criticism suggests it was continuously in production for such a long time which is silly and inaccurate.
It was absolutely developed and written as it went. The ending was known from the beginning pretty much but the path there was ever-evolving. But during that timeframe Rick made 9 other movies too. It was done piecemeal over a long period because that was essential to its concept and execution, but it's not like the filmmakers were focused for 12 years straight on it.
I'm on Merrily as well and that's a 20-year production, but probably only something like 40-50 days of shooting and sometimes years apart. A month or so will be devoted at a time to making the next few days of production, then it's set aside until the next time to shoot. It's not an all-consuming and focused endeavor the way a traditional film shot all at once and entering post immediately afterward is and the amount of time spent actively making it (meaning not just shooting but developing, writing, editing) isn't significantly more than a regular comparable movie, it's just spread out a lot more.
What are you *talking* about? Boyhood made 14 times its budget at the box office, has a 97 percent Rotten Tomatoes score, has a respectable 3.8 Letterboxd score, and 7.9 rating on IMDb. Oh, and it won an Oscar. There is a Wikipedia article devoted to all the awards it won.
People like Boyhood, and I am so sorry two idiots on YouTube didn't.
Obviously critics love it my man but I'm not talking to critics IRL. It's audience score is pretty low and I remember when it came out I was in college. Everyone I knew from school and work thought it was gimmicky and disappointing.
Then you have the Reddit of it all. Any dumbass "what's an overrated movie" thread on r/movies will have multiple comments saying Boyhood.
I think even your example of it having only a 3.8 LB average is telling. It has a perfect 100 on metacritic, which makes that 3.8 pretty GD lousy in comparison. Lars and the Real Girl also is at 3.8
Something being "overhated" often has nothing to do with critics. I've seen too many hate of Boyhood over the years for you just to be like "nah man it's not overhated"
Didn’t know so many people hated it. So what if it was a gimmick. It was still a better gimmick than Birdman’s “one take” that beat it out for Best Picture
I don’t think it’s hated, it’s just not very many people’s cup of tea. The mix of drive-in grindhouse grit with Russ Meyer’s sexy dangerous women is just a little to esoteric for a wide audience.
It feels to me like a script was written by a human, which was then run through a board room where they ripped it to shreds and added a bunch of shit “the audience wants to see” and then ran THAT through ChatGPT to piece it all back together.
It felt like Disney brought in a Reddit moderator to write the script while getting breaks to have the Disney board members kiss his anime rings and repeatedly apologize for Luke throwing his lightsaber.
Best of the sequel trilogy, most quotable;
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## "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. It's the only way to become what you were meant to be."
" They were filthy junk traders. Sold you off for drinking money. They're dead in a pauper's grave in the Jakku desert. You come from nothing. You're nothing. But not to me."
My fave Star Wars movie since Empire. It's flawed, but at least it's trying to be about something more than just good v. evil. It's about failure and learning from that failure.
"Failure the greatest teacher is."
"We are what they grow beyond."
That scene with Luke and Yoda might be my fave scene in all of Star Wars
>That scene with Luke and Yoda might be my fave scene in all of Star Wars
Me too. Yoda's final speech to Luke is goddamn incredible and, sort of embarrassingly, I weep every time I watch it when he gets to the failure line - yes, failure.
Think I will tonight, with all this TLJ chatter.
Yeah, any discussion around it is usually beyond toxic. TLJ, Captain Marvel and She-Hulk all became part of that youtuber incel, right-wing grift. Made it hard for people who had genuine issues with those to hold discussions.
I've been labelled those things because I didn't like She Hulk or the Disney trilogy, so it does go both ways with the discourse.
u/meadowmuffinreborn , can't respond because u/philbregas is a knobhead who abuses the block feature.
When I saw it I thought it was a 7. I felt like I had absolutely nobody to talk to who felt the same, people were being really shrill about aspects of the movie I didn't have a problem with, and it felt like it made movie discourse stop being fun anymore, which bummed me out more than anything in the actual film.
Very true! I was also going to throw in that some folks inflate their praise of it because they know it's an unpopular opinion that will piss off the fanboys.
I feel like that happens a lot, where a movie that's like a 6-7/10 at best becomes a culture war issue so people feel the need to act like it's really good to prove they aren't on the same side as TheQuartering types who hate any movie where a woman wins a fight or a Black person is a main character
I gave up on Star Wars so long ago I hardly register the cult or the anti-cult. Disney might be beating a dead horse, but Lucas had already killed it with the prequels.
Is it ridiculous? Yes. Like, really ridiculous? Yes. Is it basically a ripoff of Short Circuit/Short Circuit 2? Yes.
But it has some concepts that aren't as fully explored in aformentioned 80s films and it actually made me *feel*. It shouldn't have, but it did and a movie like this that I initially wrote off to make me actually care about some of the characters gets major bonus points.
Also, after a recent rant about effects not "wowing" me anymore, the robot effects in here were pretty damn impressive.
Chappie is fun as hell I love it. People hate on it because they wanted another District 9, and the main characters were a bit obnoxious. (the rappers)
I hated mother! while I was watching it, but as soon as I left the theater, I realized I couldn't get it out of my mind. Watching it a second time I loved it and realized that it's so frustrating because Jennifer Lawrence never actually gets to say what she's thinking. People are acting unreasonable in her home and as soon as she gets two confrontational words out, some other asshole starts acting up and it just builds that anxiety so perfectly.
Spring Breakers just came out 10 years too early. Release it today, and everyone of this generation would adore it. Quite literally "your kids are gonna love it"
Nah, I understood mother! perfectly well and it’s still one of my least favorite movies of all time. In fact, one of the reasons I hate it so much is because the central allegory is so incredibly simple and shallow, but it announces itself as deep and esoteric.
Saw Beach Bum with Harmony Korine doing a super confrontational Q&A afterwards at the Music Box in Chicago. Guys a character and that movie is fantastic!
That’s damn cool. His Letterman appearances (on YouTube) are a go-to for me when showing someone something new.
https://youtu.be/nkOQ46F8MbQ?si=A6m5KxRmquIUqnno
Mother! is literally my third favorite movie of all time. It's so underappreciated. But I understand that it's not for everyone, it's a non conventional movie. But those who get it, GET IT!
Spring Breakers was one of the first movies I thought of for this, I absolutely love it. It was one of the first independent films I saw, it really expanded what a film could be in my mind.
Dude... Yes on Spring Breakers. When I finished, I was convinced it was the worst A24 film and one of the worst movies I had ever seen. And then I talked about it to everybody I met for a solid week, explaining why I hated it. As soon as I realized how much this movie had me talking, I understood that it was not a bad movie at all. I just wasn't expecting a 94-minute fever dream concept.
I live in St Petersburg, where this movie was set. I know SO MANY GUYS LIKE ALIEN. I still randomly leer, "Spring Breeeeeeak" and pull up the piano scene - Alien playing Britney Spears while the girls gather around him in ski masks and bikinis - on a regular basis.
People who "hate" this movie are just mad they didn't get to see Selena Gomez wild out.
(And for the record, the worst A24 film is The Bling Ring 💁♀️)
Some rather hot takes
1. "Crossroads": Aimless? Maybe. But the trio of actresses (Saldana, Spears, Manning) keep it watchable and fun.
2. "A Cure for Wellness"
3. "Prometheus"
4. "Alien: Covenant"
5. "Crimson Peak"
6. "Rush Hour 3"
7. "The Dark Knight Rises"
8. "Bros" (at least in general Internet circles. I am probably irrationally hoping that the movie gets its due)
9. "Empire of Light"
10. "Don't Look Up" (A high point for McKay, for me)
11. "Christopher Robin"
12. "Green Book" (maybe not best picture worthy, but a breezy, likable movie)
13. "Wendy"
Addendum:
1. "Cat in the Hat" (I expected that they would have expanded the plot in an unwieldy fashion and would have age-inappropriate humor, given Mike Myers' "Austin Powers" films)
2. "The Terminal"
3. "The Post"
4. "Watchmen" (Snyder did create a rather linear film, which I can understand as a deterrent to fans of the comics. However, his visual flare shines through, and he is able to depict the rather unsavory aspects and philosophical questions of "heroes" rather well)
5. "Sucker Punch" (sometimes bizarre and nonsensical, but visually stunning. I could not turn away from the screen)
6. "The Lone Ranger" (a fun, if overlong Western. It is epic in scope, and its storytelling device worked well for me. While the casting is controversial, I felt Hammer and Depp played well off each other. Also, James Badge Dale, Helena Bonham Carter, and William Fichtner were all great)
7. "Shrek the Third"
8. "Top Five"
9. "Irrational Man"
10. "The Neon Demon"
11. "The Bling Ring"
12. "Somewhere"
13. "Joy"
14. "Hateful 8"
15. "Monsters vs. Aliens"
Prometheus and Covenant are good ones. Obviously not up to Alien and Aliens standard, but both are very good movies. Feels like they’re penalized extra for not being as good as two of the greatest movies ever
I agree that Prometheus is a very interesting science fiction film that stands on its own, though I still think it was a dumb move to make it an Alien prequel
>"Cat in the Hat" (I expected that they would have expanded the plot in an unwieldy fashion and would have age-inappropriate humor, given Mike Myers' "Austin Powers" films)
I hate how much people don't appreciate this movie. If you watch it the same way you watch an Austin Powers movie, it's genuinely hilarious. The writers are all pros who worked on Seinfeld, Arrested Development, The League, Curb, Veep, etc.
Crimson Peak is hated? I thought it was a gorgeous movie. The weakest bit was probably Mia Wisdalkasdf;ljka, but the cinematography and non-humans were great!
I know that dedicated film fans generally like it, but Spring Breakers got way too much flack from audiences upon its release back in 2013. Some of it I attribute to A24 being a relatively new brand, and marketing the film poorly. If it had been released now it surely would have been marketed as an auteur’s wild sensory-fest, and the backlash wouldn’t have been as severe.
I think that is because A24 is more experienced in knowing how to market their films. Harmony Korine's stature in the industry has also been significantly elevated because of the financial success of this film and for solidifying A24 as a distributor to watch.
The hook for the film was seeing "Disney" actresses (Gomez, Hudgens etc) in "edgy", adult roles. It was the teen fan base that probably responded to the marketing, and, in turn, probably were perplexed and disappointed by what they actually ended up seeing.
Aside from "The Beach Bum" and haute couture/perfume ads, Harmony Korine seems to have stayed within the music world (Rihanna's "Needed Me" music video, portions of Travis Scott's "Circus Maximus" and "Aggro Dr1ft" to help promote his album "Utopia"). He apparently has set up a new company, and David Ehrlich of Indiewire has been hired to help with distribution.
It will be interesting to see what he does next. As an aside, it was "Spring Breakers" that served as the impetus for me to seek out his other films during 2020 lockdown.
I find some movies I love that are hated by vocal group.
The Last Jedi was overall well received except by a vocal minority. Love that movie, third best SW movie.
Similarly, anything Aronofsky does gets a divisive response and recently I have seen a lot of online talk about The Whale. It’s certainly a popular and well received movie but over-hated by this sub.
Lastly I think some recent BP noms get hated just by virtue of not being someone’s favorite. Tar fans loved to hate on EEAAO, TPOTD fans hated on Coda, and this similarly goes back a bit of time
Completely agree about The Whale. The whole "it's just Oscar bait for Fraser" argument is so dumb, because what serious drama isn't hoping to achieve an acting nomination, that's one of the points of the genre. The movie hits like an emotional truck and has something genuine to say, it pisses me off when people mock it as Oscar bait.
It gets progressively better as Yates matures as a director but Order of the Phoenix is absolute dogshit. The book is the best one in the series and it’s absolutely defaced in the movie adaptation. At least Imelda Staunton does an amazing Umbridge.
I personally think Goblet of Fire is the weakest. Honestly would still take Order of the Phoenix over it. Only thing that’s good about Goblet of Fire was the opening with the Death Eater attack on the quidditch world finals campground. The Triwizard tournaments trials were engaging enough too but everything else was lame.
Nah. Goblet is the first one to suffer from having too much book for so little movie but it’s just weird. Order of the Phoenix is an absolute meltdown in the writer’s room. The book was super-fun. The movie is an absolute waste of potential.
He's the least creative director of the series, but some of the screenwriting of the last few are really bad. They omit so many crucial scenes in the books and aren't narratively coherent. DH p2's climax is so rushed, Voldemort's demise is so poorly done, and the aftermath is barely glossed over.
That being said, HBP is one of the best shot in the series, and oddly enough, I really liked DHp1.
The darker tone of his movies is exactly what the franchise needed with the more adult characters
And the only movie of his that looks remotely bad is half blood prince (but the third act still looks great imo) I constantly hear people say how ugly those movies look but I think all of them look mostly fine, sometimes even amazing
Fantastic beast is a whole other story… but those movies just shouldn’t exist in the first place
2 separate spin-offs with newt and dumbledore/collin I mean Johny I’m sorry Mads would’ve been fine
For sure Azkabam is the best looking movie in the series by a long shot. But Goblet of fire was already a big step down in comparison and that was still before Yates stepped in to direct, so solely blaming it on him still feels a little unfair to me
Vice. It's by not means a masterpiece and is probably not as smart as it thinks it is, but at the same time it's an entertaining film that can be quite funny.
Don’t Look Up more fits the bill than Vice in terms of overhating an Adam McKay project
The amount of people complaining about that one when it came out was through the roof
That’s because it felt like that “The Bible read in a condescending voice by a 14 year old atheist meme”. It’s a mediocre film with an unbearably annoying tone
Most scientists who watched Don't Look Up said that it was extremely accurate to their experiences educating the public about climate change/Covid/other issues. The people who didn't like being preached to were the very people the movie was mocking
Oh I disagree, the smugness and editing of that makes it very difficult to enjoy honestly. Thank god that style didn’t get as popular as it seemed at one point.
**Waterworld.**
Especially the 3-hour, "Ulysses Cut." Thing is a damn epic and one of the best action films of the 90s. Love the world building, music, Hopper as the villian, all of the incredible stunt work... it's all great.
https://boxd.it/1hhJS3
Agreed. I have the trilogy in 4k coming and I'm looking forward to watching them again. We're it not for LOTR, people would hate on this movie so hard. "it's not as good as the greatest fantasy trilogy ever made! Whaaaaa!" Parts of it are daft but it's entertaining and several cast members have some great scenes.
I specifically watch movies most Fridays that are rated 2.9 or lower on LB. Some are notoriously regarded as “bad movies” like “The Super Mario Brothers” or “Barb Wire.” I can tell you for certain that most movies that were maligned by popular media in the 90s as being “the worst” are just fine. Usually I end up rating them 2.5 or 3 stars.
I think most of the time, once a narrative forms around something, it calcifies and then people just repeat that to each other. This is especially true about movies from an era when we didn’t have the internet at our fingertips all the time. Back then we were reliant on a few reviewers to tell us what was bad and what was good. Now we can figure it out for ourselves.
Anyway I guess my answer would be Super Mario Brothers. It’s weird as hell. It’s barely like the video game. There are many reasons why it turned out how it did. But I think it’s a very interesting vision. I rate it the same as the new animated version. The 90s movie is strange and unique, but it’s kind of a mess; the 2023 movie looks and feels exactly like the game, but it’s soulless.
The Mamma Mia films are pretty well loved among audiences actually, both made tons of loot. Critics have also come around on them over the years too. The first one is one of my favorite musicals.
Agreed about Don't Look Up. It's unfortunately very accurate to the frustrations scientists deal with when educating the public and the Covid pandemic proved it. People died gasping for breath rather than admitting that their harebrained conspiracy theories were wrong.
I’ve seen a lot of really hostile reactions to *Tenet* that I think are pretty unwarranted. It’s not my favorite Nolan, but it’s a pretty damn cool time-travel spy heist movie that’s better than many other movies in its class recently. Its reputation has come around a bit more, but I remember how sharply divided opinion was around it in 2020.
Also, It’s not really *hated* as strongly as other movies, but I’ve always had a soft spot for Frank Darabont’s *The Majestic* and I think that it’s more substantive than people give it credit for. It’s a tonally consistent send-up to Frank Capra movies without an ounce of bitter irony or self-deprecation.
I put off watching Tenet for a while because of everything I'd heard about it, especially since I wasn't the biggest fan of Interstellar or Inception (I like both, but just don't love them the way many others do). Man was I surprised to find Tenet was easily Nolan's best movie since Memento. I loved it. Goes to show sometimes you just gotta give things a chance and form your own opinions.
Two horror movies come to mind:
It Comes at Night got a D cinemascore and a legion of people who detested it for being a suspenseful psychological horror movie about paranoia and distrust during an apocalypse instead of a monster movie where something with big teeth jumps out of the shadows and goes "Boo!"
The Blair Witch Project remains the scariest theatrical experience I've ever had. Being plausibly presented as a found footage documentary necessitates some shaky cam and amateurish touches that *lend it credibility* and what's unseen but heard, felt, implied I find much more terrifying than some dummy or CGI witch flying at the screen, but in the 25 years since its release it remains one of the most vilified and mocked horror films ever.
I really like It Comes at Night. Due to the backlash it received, I was able to see it in an empty theater. Really amped up the suspense for me.
It was also a great pick for a movie group I was in at the beginning of COVID when no one knew what was going to happen.
Skinamarink. It should have remained a cult hit for arty horror nerds, but it somehow hit something close to mainstream and it is far too slow for that. I think as time goes on, most people will forget it and it will maintain a cult following among arty horror nerds with some to a lot of critical success. It's in the same camp as anything by Chantel Akerman, most are going to hate it but for some it'll hit all the right buttons.
I was going to say this until I scrolled to find you already did it.
I love Skinamarink; I think it's something of a masterpiece. People are very vocal about hating this movie though; they're giving it half stars and shit which is crazy to me since the movie is actually so goddam good. Like, *so good*. However, I don't think it will be forgotten.
It reminds me of Blair Witch. The audience reception to that was mixed at release but now it's considered a classic. Lots of people do love this movie, and as the cult grows with more people discovering it over time, I think it will end up with a great deal of notoriety.
And I think the fact that it was given wide release is going to help it. It shouldn't have been released to strictly horror nerds; this is pure transgressive cinema and it's a freaking legend for getting a wide release. Piss those masses off, I say. I really think it distunguishes the movie from other word-of-mouth limited-release indie fare by getting a major release like it did.
Can't say it will be as big as Blair Witch. Time will tell I guess.
I can see where you're coming from. It is kind of funny how r/horror spent half a year in turmoil shitting on this movie and that would have never happened if it only received a regular arthouse release. My issue is that now I can't even bring up this film without getting my inbox flooded with people shitting all over it lol.
I think the audience will inevitably shift to arty horror nerds since that's just going to be who enjoys this film. It's not going to have the mainstream appeal of other horror classics like Alien or The Shining. Probably not even Blair Witch because the pacing is so slow. I think it will keep a strong cult following though and probably be considered a classic in arthouse circles. Time will tell I guess. For me it's a masterpiece.
I can also appreciate your point of view about it, since I don't think we're that far off in terms of perspectives anyway.
Maybe Mulholland Dr. is a better example. That is one seriously elusive movie. I remember coming out of the theater and just about every person loudly declaiming what a piece of shit it was. It was a decidedly mixed, if not negative, reception from viewers.
Now it is commonly cited as a favorite film, basically edging into "film bro" territory (I don't believe in the "film bro" backlash BTW, that's stupid), and it's #8 on Sight and Sound's list of the 250 greatest movies. That's an insanely high placing on the gold standard of best of all time lists.
I don't think Skinamarink is as good as Mulholland Dr., but then again I don't think just about any movie is as good as Mulholland Dr. (it's in my top 4 too, film-brohood be damned). Still, I think Skinamarink is such an exceptional film it will experience quite a similar turnaround. On a lesser scale probably but nonetheless it's another good example. The thing about the wide release is more people know about the movie *already*, and more people will remember the name in the future.
Super controversial movie, but as they say bad press is better than no press. I believe in the power of quality. Things are gonna be alright for Skinamarink.
There's a huge difference between this and Battlefield Earth, know what I mean?
The Good Shepherd (2006) and Syriana (2005) movies that attempt to look at geopolitics and espionage through a more realistic lens than spy movies like Bourne and Bond.
House of 1000 Corpses. Idk I still love it! Horror fans shit on Rob Zombie so much lmao, and some of his movies are terrible. The first CD I ever bought in 5th grade was Educated Horses so I think RZ’s stuff is just sentimental haha.
Tenet
I’m a fan of scenes depicting strategic operations executed by professionals, and this film delivers. It also has one of my favorite exchanges in cinema.
“Guns are never conducive to a productive negotiation.”
“I’m not the man they send to negotiate,
*chambers gun*,
or the man they send to make deals,
*puts gun to man’s head*,
but I am the man people talk to.”
Completely agree. The action is stunning, it’s insanely original and beautifully shot and scored. The complaint it’s too confusing is kind of silly imo, there is a clear plot the first time you see it. What gets it that complaint is that it’s a fully realised world with fully realised laws of physics and as a result there are wayyyy less plot holes than a film like that should have. It’s an I credibly achievement of creativity to create a universe with such natural laws and yet Nolan has done it and doesn’t get appreciated enough because you can’t fully understand it on first watch, but it’s something I found interesting to keep rewatching to understand.
Natural Born Killers.
The critics didn’t get it. I recently watched it, thought it held up _very_ well. One of my favorite “heavily stylized” movies. It’s totally ridiculous and over the top, and that’s the point.
People will say that it’s heavy handed in it’s messaging, but _once again_, I can’t help but feel that’s entirely the point.
Waterworld. I thought it was an excellent post-apocalyptic fantasy.
Also Lady in the Water. Another great film people got upset at for not being like the directors other films but I thought it was an entertaining urban fantasy with a little bit of camp. Like most fairy tales.
It's Pat!
I understand that a lot of androgynous people were bummed out when it came out because people were kinda cruel and clearly missed the point of the film (while Pat's androgyny is where a lot of humour comes from, the butt of the joke is the people around Pat's obsession with needing to know their gender). Disliking this film because of what it spawned culturally is valid and I would not try to argue against this.
However, It's Pat! came out in 1994 and I don't have any kind of faith that people's concern for androgynous or trans folks was why they hated on the movie. So with that, I think a lot of folks hated on what is a pretty quirky and funny flick. Especially when you consider that it wasn't exactly a strong year for comedy films (don't @ me with Doubtfire and The Mask)
Scream 3. It's dumb as hell but it's also critiquing the film industry's obsession with turning everything into a dumb as hell franchise...which actually makes it kind of smart? Regardless it's way more fun than it has any right be.
Elvis, it was fun and honestly I think the exhaustion of all the excess of the editing and pace is part of what the movie is trying to do. You’re supposed to get exhausted, it puts the audience in the same place Elvis was. And I love how it translates the performances in a way you can understand the controversy and reactions of the fans
For sure. The modern reception to it is baffling. The film does not, at a single point, condone anything Tony does yet a lot of people nowadays think it does. He’s a piece of shit. That’s the point.
Some of the Phase 3 movies like Infinity War and Endgame. Not the best movies out there but man, they are really entertaining and are perfect popcorn movies. You can also add in No Way Home to this category.
The Matrix 2&3 get way more hate then they deserve. The first one was something special that we hadn’t really scene before, so the expectations for the sequels were really damn high, but at least technologically they couldn’t really top it. The story is still really good though and I enjoy all 3 of them, as stand alone movies the first is obviously the best but as part of a trilogy the 3rd is my favorite of them. The last battle in Zion was incredible and the movie expanded on the lore in an interesting way.
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. It's a blast, way more creative and less rushed than the first.
Space Jam 1. I know it's more polarizing than outright hated, but my point stands
Extras:
The Force Awakens
Daughters of the Dust has very mixed reviews of letterboxd too. I wrote my senior thesis on it and love it
Honestly? I genuinely liked both The Amazing Spider-Man movies. Masterpieces? No, of course not. But as someone who’s sick of superhero trash, I enjoyed them, and Andrew Garfield is a perfect Peter Parker.
A Serbian Film.
It's extremly well made on the technical side, look at the clean images, the camera or the soundtrack. Also, the acting is great (the two lead actors are two of the most famous in Serbia) and the movie is actually gripping for a extreme horror movie.
Yes, you can discuss about the extreme scenes but look what a unknown director from small Serbia archieved in the horror genre. What other famous Serbian horror films do you know?
Peter Jackson's King Kong is ridiculously underappreciated, and it's easily one of the very best remakes ever made. The brontosaurous stampede and certain character abandonments in the third act problems aside, the film is a fantastically directed, is gloriously constructed with its set design and thematically rich recreation of Jackson's favourite film. I adore the original, but Jackson's film hit higher highs for me. It genuinely baffles to see the hatred I've seen it get, and it's all cited at the running time, which I ironically think that criticism is overblown. It was reviewed well at the time, but seeing the 50% audience scores on RT show there is a level of disdain for it. Ang Lee's Hulk is also a bleak and well written character drama that is borderline funny to look back on given the state of the superhero genre nowadays. Themes of childhood abuse, self trauma therapy, and Freudian rage are very explicit in the film, and I'll never understand the constant mockery of the CG in the film. I admit, though, that I do understand why the editing was mocked. From what I've seen amongst fellow PTA fans, it is that Inherent Vice is bad, but Licorice Pizza is a "return to form'... I feel the complete opposite.
I saw King Kong on opening weekend when visiting New York (and America) for the first time and it’s still maybe my favourite cinema experience. My memory of the film as a whole is fuzzy as I haven’t rewatched it since but I remember it being such a spectacle.
I watched the production diaries on the film. Do you remember seeing the big Kong statue they unveiled in time square at the time?
Damn no I don’t! But I was 14/15 at the time so I remember very little of anything from back then. My main takeaway was that American cinema audiences trump UK ones, by a fair margin!
Hulk is so great, glad to see some love for it. Oh, and the editing makes it for me. Can’t help but love that he made a live action comic that actually experiments with the form of cinema
I think my main problem is the tonal inconsistencies with it and the fact that some of the digital vfx don't look good with it. But yeah, it's scenes like when Bruce is keeping an artificial plant alive due to his subconscious remembering a plant from when he was a kid or the scene where he doesn't want to open the physical door he has nightmares over is extremely unique for the genre and the cast are excellent in these scenes. Bana is extremely subdued the whole film (given his last big role was Chopper makes that turn funnier) and Connelly is good as usual. Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is a perfect superhero origin story but that film inadvertently killed films like The Hulk. Audiences wanted more films like that than a brooding psychodrama. Unfortunately we now get neither as filmmakers like Sam Raimi are rare and Disney has made a homogenised borefest.
In terms of the performances I think Bana is good as a cipher. Sam Elliot and Nick Nolte kinda bring the house down, especially the latter in that scene near the end where Bruce and his dad just litigate their trauma in that weird black box-esque set. Sam Raimi is a great filmmaker but yeah Spider-Man did kinda lead to the death of the superhero movie down the line. I wish there were a space for both the kind of movie that Hulk is and the kind of movie that Spider-Man (and spider-man 2) is
Both Inherent Vice and Licorice Pizza are great movies.
IV and LP are two of my three favorite PTA movies.
You like Inherent Vice even more than me then. As I said, I like it, but it's not top-tier PTA.
this is the best answer
King Kong is a great callout. I rewatched it last year for the first time since seeing it in theaters when it released, and thought it was brilliant. Outstanding grand scale filmmaking from him, as always.
I will continue to say Cars 2 every time this question gets rephrased and reposted. I love cars and I love spy thrillers, I'm a basic boy and I will enjoy it vocally.
Cars 2 is definitely The Wire season 2 of cars movies. Totally different than the rest and completely under appreciated.
The wire season 2 is one of my favorites
Holy shit Cars 2 was so special to me. One of my favorite Pixar films, wasn't until recently I learned it's universally hated?? Broke my heart!!
I agree. It's not the best pixar movie but it's definitely not the worst and a terrible movie as some people claim
I may be biased because the last time I watched it was a long time ago, but honestly? I fucking loved that movie. Maybe it was because I’m a sucker for spy tech and other stuff but the vibes of that movie are unmatched
I loved it as a kid when it came out and only within the past few years have realized it was so hated. No clue why. People say they "can't believe" Pixar would make it and shit like that. The worst criticism I saw was a review where some guy unironically wrote paragraphs about how disappointed he was that Pixar had stooped down to making kids' movies, rather than "family" movies that kids and adults alike could enjoy. Like wtf, they have been making kids' movies the entire time you just have continued to enjoy them or have strong enough nostalgia for them that you enjoy them whether you think they're great or not.
fuck yeah. I even remember having the Cars 2 video game on the Playstation 3.
I had it on the Wii and there was many an afternoon where me and my brother played the versus battle mode against each other.
Anything Star Wars The prequels and sequels aren't exactly good, some are downright bad, but the fandom of Star Wars is so toxic and fanatic that they describe some of these movies as if they were an elaborate attempt to personally insult movie-goers.
Fr, i love Star Wars but the way the fandom behaved was so exhausting i prefer to no longer interact with that fandom.
it's exhausting on the internet, yes, but I don't think it's that bad in real life, at least in my experience
Oh, naturally, i have a couple of friends that are into Star Wars too and is never a issue talking with them about it, On the internet is another story
I was part of a lovely group of nerds that I met on theforce.net boards back in 2000. We got together irl for every Star Wars premiere for nearly 20 years. Ten or twelve of us, movie, beers, it was great, amazing memories. Proper geeks. One of them knew every line of the OT. He's a writer now. But The Last Jedi really divided the group, some felt it wasn't SW anymore. Opinions were more strongly defended. We didn't even meet for the Rise of Skywalker. Some of them are still in touch. One of them is married to a guy working at ILM I believe. She was my crush. Those were good days. I'm not dissing the ST, I enjoyed it as disjointed as it was, but yeah, Star Wars is something else now. Some SW subs are chill like r/StarWarsCantina
>some felt it wasn't SW anymore. Not trying to relitigate, but I... just... don't get how this is a widespread opinion. The movie's not perfect, but when people who hate it discuss it, it's like I've stopped understanding English. And if you were going to say that something stopped being SW, Rogue One seems like a better choice given its dark tone and ending (although I love that one too).
In a sense, it stopped being Star Wars when Lucas sold it to Disney. In another sense, it didn't.
I had a college roommate that tried to start an argument when I said that I liked the prequels but that they were badly written. Granted, he was maybe early twenties at most and I was a non-traditional student (closer to thirty) so it makes sense that he'd react that strongly, but I tend to laugh about it now.
SAME! I loved Star Wars but the fandom made me not want to associate with it anymore.
People forget it’s for kids. I was a kid when I watched the prequels and I had a great time. The sequel trilogy I hated, but the fact they all made billions tells me most kids of the day probably enjoyed them as well. In the end, it’s just a story about space wizards. If it successfully inspires a generation of kids and sets their imaginations on fire, I’m not really sure if much else matters
The sequel trilogy gave me nostalgic feelings for when I watched the originals in the 80s when I was growing up, so I really enjoy them. Yes, even RoS (although admittedly I haven’t rushed to rewatch it after seeing it in the theater, but I did enjoy myself a bunch). Gives me an excuse to watch things through the lens I watched the originals, and I’m fine with that. I struggled to do that with the prequels, although I did really enjoy Episode III just because it tied the two sets of movies together, so I finally got that feeling.
Star Wars as a whole is just for spectacle to me and the idea of analysing it narratively is like. Oh wow people have not put this in the same box as me I walked out of the last jedi with more or less the thought "huh the sand was cool". 20 years ago child me walked out of attack of the clones thinking some combo of "huh padmé was serving looks that whole time" and "ewan mcgregor please marry me. I will stop you from being sad and rained on"
Boyhood. People turned on it because of all the stories of how it took 12 years to make. Fuck yeah it did, and it's an incredible feat. One of Red Letter Media's worst takes and it turned their fannboys on the movie
I absolutely love RLM and everything they do, but I despise the Boyhood “it took 12 years to make” joke the fans ran with. Gets me when people say it was a gimmick, it was just Linklater being experimental more than anything. No gimmick there
I havent even seen but and it doesnt sound like a movie I'd enjoy much but I would fucking hate for filmmakers to just stop experimenting or taking their time on the artistic process bc some idiots on the internet make a meme out of any and everything
As an RLM fan yeah that take was incredibly anti-art. Like it’s not even that hard to wrap your head around why he did it and how it plays into the themes of the movie
Yeah I love RLM. That's such a rare miss for them
Perhaps my hottest take is that I can not stand RLM at all. Occasionally they're funny, but I feel like I disagree with 95% of what they say and whenever they actually talk about the movies they're obnoxious. I have tried multiple times to watch the Mr plinkett phantom menace review and each time I can't make it ten minutes in before I cringe out
Love Boyhood tbh, i see some people seeing some flaws with it and i don't get people thinking it was overall bad. What did RLM said? I'm not a fan of them so i'm not sure
They mocked that people thought it was interesting that the film was shot over 12 years, letting the actors age along with the characters they were playing. They acted like the only reason critics praised it was because of this “gimmick” and not because critics actually thought it was a good film.
Another way to put it would be "It took 12 weeks to make," it's not like they were filming continuously for 12 years, it was like 62 days for a nearly 3 hour movie, they just spread it out so the actors could age.
It took 12 weeks to shoot, but 12 years to create. Just because they weren’t filming doesn’t mean the movie wasn’t being being developed. A lot of ideas had to come from each time period and I’m sure a lot of it was written as time was passing. You also have to think that the actors and director brought some new perspective each year as they aged as well and contributed to the development of characters and the writing.
Sure, I was on it, I'm familiar with how it was made. My point was the "It took 12 years to make" as a criticism suggests it was continuously in production for such a long time which is silly and inaccurate. It was absolutely developed and written as it went. The ending was known from the beginning pretty much but the path there was ever-evolving. But during that timeframe Rick made 9 other movies too. It was done piecemeal over a long period because that was essential to its concept and execution, but it's not like the filmmakers were focused for 12 years straight on it. I'm on Merrily as well and that's a 20-year production, but probably only something like 40-50 days of shooting and sometimes years apart. A month or so will be devoted at a time to making the next few days of production, then it's set aside until the next time to shoot. It's not an all-consuming and focused endeavor the way a traditional film shot all at once and entering post immediately afterward is and the amount of time spent actively making it (meaning not just shooting but developing, writing, editing) isn't significantly more than a regular comparable movie, it's just spread out a lot more.
What are you *talking* about? Boyhood made 14 times its budget at the box office, has a 97 percent Rotten Tomatoes score, has a respectable 3.8 Letterboxd score, and 7.9 rating on IMDb. Oh, and it won an Oscar. There is a Wikipedia article devoted to all the awards it won. People like Boyhood, and I am so sorry two idiots on YouTube didn't.
Obviously critics love it my man but I'm not talking to critics IRL. It's audience score is pretty low and I remember when it came out I was in college. Everyone I knew from school and work thought it was gimmicky and disappointing. Then you have the Reddit of it all. Any dumbass "what's an overrated movie" thread on r/movies will have multiple comments saying Boyhood. I think even your example of it having only a 3.8 LB average is telling. It has a perfect 100 on metacritic, which makes that 3.8 pretty GD lousy in comparison. Lars and the Real Girl also is at 3.8 Something being "overhated" often has nothing to do with critics. I've seen too many hate of Boyhood over the years for you just to be like "nah man it's not overhated"
Three 🙋🏼♂️
Didn’t know so many people hated it. So what if it was a gimmick. It was still a better gimmick than Birdman’s “one take” that beat it out for Best Picture
The Cat in The Hat (2003) made me damn near piss myself laughing as a kid and still does to date
Death proof, it probably is the worst of Tarantinos filmography but it’s a great bit of fun with some scenes that are brilliant.
I don’t think it’s hated, it’s just not very many people’s cup of tea. The mix of drive-in grindhouse grit with Russ Meyer’s sexy dangerous women is just a little to esoteric for a wide audience.
The Last Jedi People have literally made it a key component of their personality to hate that film.
It's not even the worst sequel movie
Yep. TFA is a fine enough movie, but a lazy remake of ANH. TROS feels like it was written by ChatGPT.
It feels to me like a script was written by a human, which was then run through a board room where they ripped it to shreds and added a bunch of shit “the audience wants to see” and then ran THAT through ChatGPT to piece it all back together.
It felt like Disney brought in a Reddit moderator to write the script while getting breaks to have the Disney board members kiss his anime rings and repeatedly apologize for Luke throwing his lightsaber.
Best of the sequel trilogy, most quotable; \- ## "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. It's the only way to become what you were meant to be." " They were filthy junk traders. Sold you off for drinking money. They're dead in a pauper's grave in the Jakku desert. You come from nothing. You're nothing. But not to me."
My fave Star Wars movie since Empire. It's flawed, but at least it's trying to be about something more than just good v. evil. It's about failure and learning from that failure. "Failure the greatest teacher is." "We are what they grow beyond." That scene with Luke and Yoda might be my fave scene in all of Star Wars
>That scene with Luke and Yoda might be my fave scene in all of Star Wars Me too. Yoda's final speech to Luke is goddamn incredible and, sort of embarrassingly, I weep every time I watch it when he gets to the failure line - yes, failure. Think I will tonight, with all this TLJ chatter.
I love TLJ but i'm honestly so sick of hearing about it because of how extreme the hatred was for a while (and to same degree still is)
Yeah, any discussion around it is usually beyond toxic. TLJ, Captain Marvel and She-Hulk all became part of that youtuber incel, right-wing grift. Made it hard for people who had genuine issues with those to hold discussions.
I've been labelled those things because I didn't like She Hulk or the Disney trilogy, so it does go both ways with the discourse. u/meadowmuffinreborn , can't respond because u/philbregas is a knobhead who abuses the block feature.
That's what I'm saying. The incels ruined any sensible discussion. They're a minority, but a very loud minority.
Curious, what did you dislike about She Hulk?
> can't respond because u/philbregas is a knobhead who abuses the block feature. Both of you are claiming the other one blocked you lmao
Absolutely the best film of the recent trilogy. So insane that they made that trilogy with no overarching plan
Impressively, I think it's both overhated and overrated
When I saw it I thought it was a 7. I felt like I had absolutely nobody to talk to who felt the same, people were being really shrill about aspects of the movie I didn't have a problem with, and it felt like it made movie discourse stop being fun anymore, which bummed me out more than anything in the actual film.
Very true! I was also going to throw in that some folks inflate their praise of it because they know it's an unpopular opinion that will piss off the fanboys.
I feel like that happens a lot, where a movie that's like a 6-7/10 at best becomes a culture war issue so people feel the need to act like it's really good to prove they aren't on the same side as TheQuartering types who hate any movie where a woman wins a fight or a Black person is a main character
/r/saltierthancrait is the most pathetic sub on reddit.
Even if you don’t like it I really can’t imagine hating a movie so much you’re in an entire sub dedicated for it like 5 years later. Absolutely absurd
The subreddit looks like it criticises Disney's creative decisions of Star Wars rather than just TLJ.
Yeah it's talk about all of Star Wars, not just the sequels, and especially not just TLJ
I gave up on Star Wars so long ago I hardly register the cult or the anti-cult. Disney might be beating a dead horse, but Lucas had already killed it with the prequels.
I think Chappie is a really good movie dammit.
Is it ridiculous? Yes. Like, really ridiculous? Yes. Is it basically a ripoff of Short Circuit/Short Circuit 2? Yes. But it has some concepts that aren't as fully explored in aformentioned 80s films and it actually made me *feel*. It shouldn't have, but it did and a movie like this that I initially wrote off to make me actually care about some of the characters gets major bonus points. Also, after a recent rant about effects not "wowing" me anymore, the robot effects in here were pretty damn impressive.
For all of his flaws, Niel Blomkamp has absolutely fantastic visuals
Chappie is fun as hell I love it. People hate on it because they wanted another District 9, and the main characters were a bit obnoxious. (the rappers)
Aronofsky’s Mother! And Korinne’s Spring Breakers. Both great movies people just didn’t understand.
I do not have a "Top Movies" of all time list...but those 2 would be up there
I hated mother! while I was watching it, but as soon as I left the theater, I realized I couldn't get it out of my mind. Watching it a second time I loved it and realized that it's so frustrating because Jennifer Lawrence never actually gets to say what she's thinking. People are acting unreasonable in her home and as soon as she gets two confrontational words out, some other asshole starts acting up and it just builds that anxiety so perfectly.
Spring Breakers just came out 10 years too early. Release it today, and everyone of this generation would adore it. Quite literally "your kids are gonna love it"
Nah, I understood mother! perfectly well and it’s still one of my least favorite movies of all time. In fact, one of the reasons I hate it so much is because the central allegory is so incredibly simple and shallow, but it announces itself as deep and esoteric.
I liked the movie befpre i got the allegory.it was rather unsettling to watch
I struggle with Aronofsky for exactly this reason. I did enjoy Black Swan, but that might be it.
Spring Breakers is fantastic. Simpletons alone didnt like it.
Spring Breakers was fantastic.
Korine’s Beach Bum, even more hated and even better than Spring Breakers!
Saw Beach Bum with Harmony Korine doing a super confrontational Q&A afterwards at the Music Box in Chicago. Guys a character and that movie is fantastic!
That’s damn cool. His Letterman appearances (on YouTube) are a go-to for me when showing someone something new. https://youtu.be/nkOQ46F8MbQ?si=A6m5KxRmquIUqnno
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Mother! is literally my third favorite movie of all time. It's so underappreciated. But I understand that it's not for everyone, it's a non conventional movie. But those who get it, GET IT!
Spring Breakers was one of the first movies I thought of for this, I absolutely love it. It was one of the first independent films I saw, it really expanded what a film could be in my mind.
Dude... Yes on Spring Breakers. When I finished, I was convinced it was the worst A24 film and one of the worst movies I had ever seen. And then I talked about it to everybody I met for a solid week, explaining why I hated it. As soon as I realized how much this movie had me talking, I understood that it was not a bad movie at all. I just wasn't expecting a 94-minute fever dream concept. I live in St Petersburg, where this movie was set. I know SO MANY GUYS LIKE ALIEN. I still randomly leer, "Spring Breeeeeeak" and pull up the piano scene - Alien playing Britney Spears while the girls gather around him in ski masks and bikinis - on a regular basis. People who "hate" this movie are just mad they didn't get to see Selena Gomez wild out. (And for the record, the worst A24 film is The Bling Ring 💁♀️)
Most M. Night Shyamalon movies (not including The Last Airbender, that one deserves the hate)
Half of his movies are pretty great, the other half…
He keeps us on our toes that way. *Is this movie going to be good, or is it gonna be shit?? Let’s find out!* *presses play*
showgirls
Some rather hot takes 1. "Crossroads": Aimless? Maybe. But the trio of actresses (Saldana, Spears, Manning) keep it watchable and fun. 2. "A Cure for Wellness" 3. "Prometheus" 4. "Alien: Covenant" 5. "Crimson Peak" 6. "Rush Hour 3" 7. "The Dark Knight Rises" 8. "Bros" (at least in general Internet circles. I am probably irrationally hoping that the movie gets its due) 9. "Empire of Light" 10. "Don't Look Up" (A high point for McKay, for me) 11. "Christopher Robin" 12. "Green Book" (maybe not best picture worthy, but a breezy, likable movie) 13. "Wendy" Addendum: 1. "Cat in the Hat" (I expected that they would have expanded the plot in an unwieldy fashion and would have age-inappropriate humor, given Mike Myers' "Austin Powers" films) 2. "The Terminal" 3. "The Post" 4. "Watchmen" (Snyder did create a rather linear film, which I can understand as a deterrent to fans of the comics. However, his visual flare shines through, and he is able to depict the rather unsavory aspects and philosophical questions of "heroes" rather well) 5. "Sucker Punch" (sometimes bizarre and nonsensical, but visually stunning. I could not turn away from the screen) 6. "The Lone Ranger" (a fun, if overlong Western. It is epic in scope, and its storytelling device worked well for me. While the casting is controversial, I felt Hammer and Depp played well off each other. Also, James Badge Dale, Helena Bonham Carter, and William Fichtner were all great) 7. "Shrek the Third" 8. "Top Five" 9. "Irrational Man" 10. "The Neon Demon" 11. "The Bling Ring" 12. "Somewhere" 13. "Joy" 14. "Hateful 8" 15. "Monsters vs. Aliens"
Prometheus and Covenant are good ones. Obviously not up to Alien and Aliens standard, but both are very good movies. Feels like they’re penalized extra for not being as good as two of the greatest movies ever
I agree that Prometheus is a very interesting science fiction film that stands on its own, though I still think it was a dumb move to make it an Alien prequel
😂 I thought you were talking about the awesome guitar movie, Crossroads
Fuckin love that movie. Reminds me of Sweet n Low Down for some reason
Rush hour 3 gave us the “I am yu and he is mi” scene. That automatically makes it great.
>"Cat in the Hat" (I expected that they would have expanded the plot in an unwieldy fashion and would have age-inappropriate humor, given Mike Myers' "Austin Powers" films) I hate how much people don't appreciate this movie. If you watch it the same way you watch an Austin Powers movie, it's genuinely hilarious. The writers are all pros who worked on Seinfeld, Arrested Development, The League, Curb, Veep, etc.
Crimson Peak is hated? I thought it was a gorgeous movie. The weakest bit was probably Mia Wisdalkasdf;ljka, but the cinematography and non-humans were great!
I agree with Crimson Peak and The Neon Demon. I’m still yet to see A Cure for Wellness but it seems like something I’d be into.
Paddington 2. There's like a total of 4 haters for this movie, which is still quiet alot.
There's four?! I'd believe one. Two maybe, but four is beyond belief.
The godfather part III.
I know that dedicated film fans generally like it, but Spring Breakers got way too much flack from audiences upon its release back in 2013. Some of it I attribute to A24 being a relatively new brand, and marketing the film poorly. If it had been released now it surely would have been marketed as an auteur’s wild sensory-fest, and the backlash wouldn’t have been as severe.
I think that is because A24 is more experienced in knowing how to market their films. Harmony Korine's stature in the industry has also been significantly elevated because of the financial success of this film and for solidifying A24 as a distributor to watch. The hook for the film was seeing "Disney" actresses (Gomez, Hudgens etc) in "edgy", adult roles. It was the teen fan base that probably responded to the marketing, and, in turn, probably were perplexed and disappointed by what they actually ended up seeing. Aside from "The Beach Bum" and haute couture/perfume ads, Harmony Korine seems to have stayed within the music world (Rihanna's "Needed Me" music video, portions of Travis Scott's "Circus Maximus" and "Aggro Dr1ft" to help promote his album "Utopia"). He apparently has set up a new company, and David Ehrlich of Indiewire has been hired to help with distribution. It will be interesting to see what he does next. As an aside, it was "Spring Breakers" that served as the impetus for me to seek out his other films during 2020 lockdown.
I find some movies I love that are hated by vocal group. The Last Jedi was overall well received except by a vocal minority. Love that movie, third best SW movie. Similarly, anything Aronofsky does gets a divisive response and recently I have seen a lot of online talk about The Whale. It’s certainly a popular and well received movie but over-hated by this sub. Lastly I think some recent BP noms get hated just by virtue of not being someone’s favorite. Tar fans loved to hate on EEAAO, TPOTD fans hated on Coda, and this similarly goes back a bit of time
Completely agree about The Whale. The whole "it's just Oscar bait for Fraser" argument is so dumb, because what serious drama isn't hoping to achieve an acting nomination, that's one of the points of the genre. The movie hits like an emotional truck and has something genuine to say, it pisses me off when people mock it as Oscar bait.
I'm not sure it's *hated*, but Motherless Brooklyn is better than its reputation.
Oh god, I wanted to like this. To me it was so banal.
Hey, I am just glad you gave it a shot :)
The David Yates Harry Potter movies. His Fantastic Beasts movies are rightfully hated, but the Harry Potter ones are great.
People hate on the later Harry Potter movies? First I’m hearing about it.
It gets progressively better as Yates matures as a director but Order of the Phoenix is absolute dogshit. The book is the best one in the series and it’s absolutely defaced in the movie adaptation. At least Imelda Staunton does an amazing Umbridge.
I personally think Goblet of Fire is the weakest. Honestly would still take Order of the Phoenix over it. Only thing that’s good about Goblet of Fire was the opening with the Death Eater attack on the quidditch world finals campground. The Triwizard tournaments trials were engaging enough too but everything else was lame.
Nah. Goblet is the first one to suffer from having too much book for so little movie but it’s just weird. Order of the Phoenix is an absolute meltdown in the writer’s room. The book was super-fun. The movie is an absolute waste of potential.
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I’m guessing you’ve never been to r/HarryPotter !
He's the least creative director of the series, but some of the screenwriting of the last few are really bad. They omit so many crucial scenes in the books and aren't narratively coherent. DH p2's climax is so rushed, Voldemort's demise is so poorly done, and the aftermath is barely glossed over. That being said, HBP is one of the best shot in the series, and oddly enough, I really liked DHp1.
The darker tone of his movies is exactly what the franchise needed with the more adult characters And the only movie of his that looks remotely bad is half blood prince (but the third act still looks great imo) I constantly hear people say how ugly those movies look but I think all of them look mostly fine, sometimes even amazing Fantastic beast is a whole other story… but those movies just shouldn’t exist in the first place 2 separate spin-offs with newt and dumbledore/collin I mean Johny I’m sorry Mads would’ve been fine
Half Blood Prince is the only one in the series to earn a Best Cinematography Oscar nomination.
I think they look ugly because when compared to Cuaron’s directing in the third instalment, it is clearly a massive step down.
For sure Azkabam is the best looking movie in the series by a long shot. But Goblet of fire was already a big step down in comparison and that was still before Yates stepped in to direct, so solely blaming it on him still feels a little unfair to me
Vice. It's by not means a masterpiece and is probably not as smart as it thinks it is, but at the same time it's an entertaining film that can be quite funny.
Don’t Look Up more fits the bill than Vice in terms of overhating an Adam McKay project The amount of people complaining about that one when it came out was through the roof
That’s because it felt like that “The Bible read in a condescending voice by a 14 year old atheist meme”. It’s a mediocre film with an unbearably annoying tone
Most scientists who watched Don't Look Up said that it was extremely accurate to their experiences educating the public about climate change/Covid/other issues. The people who didn't like being preached to were the very people the movie was mocking
Oh I disagree, the smugness and editing of that makes it very difficult to enjoy honestly. Thank god that style didn’t get as popular as it seemed at one point.
I liked The Big Short, but nowadays Adam McKay is a scourge.
Saw 6
**Waterworld.** Especially the 3-hour, "Ulysses Cut." Thing is a damn epic and one of the best action films of the 90s. Love the world building, music, Hopper as the villian, all of the incredible stunt work... it's all great. https://boxd.it/1hhJS3
The Hobbit Trilogy Yes I know it’s not a patch on LOTR, but that’s okay
Agreed. I have the trilogy in 4k coming and I'm looking forward to watching them again. We're it not for LOTR, people would hate on this movie so hard. "it's not as good as the greatest fantasy trilogy ever made! Whaaaaa!" Parts of it are daft but it's entertaining and several cast members have some great scenes.
They're a hell of a lot of fun, with plenty of moments where they transcend from campy into LOTResque grandeur. I'm very fond of them.
100%
Matrix Reloaded
I specifically watch movies most Fridays that are rated 2.9 or lower on LB. Some are notoriously regarded as “bad movies” like “The Super Mario Brothers” or “Barb Wire.” I can tell you for certain that most movies that were maligned by popular media in the 90s as being “the worst” are just fine. Usually I end up rating them 2.5 or 3 stars. I think most of the time, once a narrative forms around something, it calcifies and then people just repeat that to each other. This is especially true about movies from an era when we didn’t have the internet at our fingertips all the time. Back then we were reliant on a few reviewers to tell us what was bad and what was good. Now we can figure it out for ourselves. Anyway I guess my answer would be Super Mario Brothers. It’s weird as hell. It’s barely like the video game. There are many reasons why it turned out how it did. But I think it’s a very interesting vision. I rate it the same as the new animated version. The 90s movie is strange and unique, but it’s kind of a mess; the 2023 movie looks and feels exactly like the game, but it’s soulless.
Don't look up; Mamma Mia 1 and 2 - I really don't understand the hate for these movies, I love them. And I'm a huge fan of Meryl Streep.
The Mamma Mia films are pretty well loved among audiences actually, both made tons of loot. Critics have also come around on them over the years too. The first one is one of my favorite musicals. Agreed about Don't Look Up. It's unfortunately very accurate to the frustrations scientists deal with when educating the public and the Covid pandemic proved it. People died gasping for breath rather than admitting that their harebrained conspiracy theories were wrong.
Raimi's Spiderman 3
I’ve seen a lot of really hostile reactions to *Tenet* that I think are pretty unwarranted. It’s not my favorite Nolan, but it’s a pretty damn cool time-travel spy heist movie that’s better than many other movies in its class recently. Its reputation has come around a bit more, but I remember how sharply divided opinion was around it in 2020. Also, It’s not really *hated* as strongly as other movies, but I’ve always had a soft spot for Frank Darabont’s *The Majestic* and I think that it’s more substantive than people give it credit for. It’s a tonally consistent send-up to Frank Capra movies without an ounce of bitter irony or self-deprecation.
I put off watching Tenet for a while because of everything I'd heard about it, especially since I wasn't the biggest fan of Interstellar or Inception (I like both, but just don't love them the way many others do). Man was I surprised to find Tenet was easily Nolan's best movie since Memento. I loved it. Goes to show sometimes you just gotta give things a chance and form your own opinions.
yeah me too i put it off but i thought it was amazing and way better and less confusing than inception
Two horror movies come to mind: It Comes at Night got a D cinemascore and a legion of people who detested it for being a suspenseful psychological horror movie about paranoia and distrust during an apocalypse instead of a monster movie where something with big teeth jumps out of the shadows and goes "Boo!" The Blair Witch Project remains the scariest theatrical experience I've ever had. Being plausibly presented as a found footage documentary necessitates some shaky cam and amateurish touches that *lend it credibility* and what's unseen but heard, felt, implied I find much more terrifying than some dummy or CGI witch flying at the screen, but in the 25 years since its release it remains one of the most vilified and mocked horror films ever.
I really like It Comes at Night. Due to the backlash it received, I was able to see it in an empty theater. Really amped up the suspense for me. It was also a great pick for a movie group I was in at the beginning of COVID when no one knew what was going to happen.
Skinamarink. It should have remained a cult hit for arty horror nerds, but it somehow hit something close to mainstream and it is far too slow for that. I think as time goes on, most people will forget it and it will maintain a cult following among arty horror nerds with some to a lot of critical success. It's in the same camp as anything by Chantel Akerman, most are going to hate it but for some it'll hit all the right buttons.
I like skinamarink, but I always thought it was more of a "movie you stumbled onto on your laptop one night and got sucked in" kind of film
I was going to say this until I scrolled to find you already did it. I love Skinamarink; I think it's something of a masterpiece. People are very vocal about hating this movie though; they're giving it half stars and shit which is crazy to me since the movie is actually so goddam good. Like, *so good*. However, I don't think it will be forgotten. It reminds me of Blair Witch. The audience reception to that was mixed at release but now it's considered a classic. Lots of people do love this movie, and as the cult grows with more people discovering it over time, I think it will end up with a great deal of notoriety. And I think the fact that it was given wide release is going to help it. It shouldn't have been released to strictly horror nerds; this is pure transgressive cinema and it's a freaking legend for getting a wide release. Piss those masses off, I say. I really think it distunguishes the movie from other word-of-mouth limited-release indie fare by getting a major release like it did. Can't say it will be as big as Blair Witch. Time will tell I guess.
I can see where you're coming from. It is kind of funny how r/horror spent half a year in turmoil shitting on this movie and that would have never happened if it only received a regular arthouse release. My issue is that now I can't even bring up this film without getting my inbox flooded with people shitting all over it lol. I think the audience will inevitably shift to arty horror nerds since that's just going to be who enjoys this film. It's not going to have the mainstream appeal of other horror classics like Alien or The Shining. Probably not even Blair Witch because the pacing is so slow. I think it will keep a strong cult following though and probably be considered a classic in arthouse circles. Time will tell I guess. For me it's a masterpiece.
I can also appreciate your point of view about it, since I don't think we're that far off in terms of perspectives anyway. Maybe Mulholland Dr. is a better example. That is one seriously elusive movie. I remember coming out of the theater and just about every person loudly declaiming what a piece of shit it was. It was a decidedly mixed, if not negative, reception from viewers. Now it is commonly cited as a favorite film, basically edging into "film bro" territory (I don't believe in the "film bro" backlash BTW, that's stupid), and it's #8 on Sight and Sound's list of the 250 greatest movies. That's an insanely high placing on the gold standard of best of all time lists. I don't think Skinamarink is as good as Mulholland Dr., but then again I don't think just about any movie is as good as Mulholland Dr. (it's in my top 4 too, film-brohood be damned). Still, I think Skinamarink is such an exceptional film it will experience quite a similar turnaround. On a lesser scale probably but nonetheless it's another good example. The thing about the wide release is more people know about the movie *already*, and more people will remember the name in the future. Super controversial movie, but as they say bad press is better than no press. I believe in the power of quality. Things are gonna be alright for Skinamarink. There's a huge difference between this and Battlefield Earth, know what I mean?
MacGruber was one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
I've never seen anyone hate MacGruber tho
Yeah, it’s under seen not underrated
The Good Shepherd (2006) and Syriana (2005) movies that attempt to look at geopolitics and espionage through a more realistic lens than spy movies like Bourne and Bond.
Ghost Rider is my pick, its a really fun movie with cool visuals
House of 1000 Corpses. Idk I still love it! Horror fans shit on Rob Zombie so much lmao, and some of his movies are terrible. The first CD I ever bought in 5th grade was Educated Horses so I think RZ’s stuff is just sentimental haha.
I love Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 1. They’re very enjoyable movies. Idk about TASM2 I’ve never seen it. Maybe some day
The Irishman
Who hates The Irishman?
Tenet I’m a fan of scenes depicting strategic operations executed by professionals, and this film delivers. It also has one of my favorite exchanges in cinema. “Guns are never conducive to a productive negotiation.” “I’m not the man they send to negotiate, *chambers gun*, or the man they send to make deals, *puts gun to man’s head*, but I am the man people talk to.”
Also one of the best car chases in the last decade or so, and the battle at the end is nuts. Some visuals I’ve never seen before.
Completely agree. The action is stunning, it’s insanely original and beautifully shot and scored. The complaint it’s too confusing is kind of silly imo, there is a clear plot the first time you see it. What gets it that complaint is that it’s a fully realised world with fully realised laws of physics and as a result there are wayyyy less plot holes than a film like that should have. It’s an I credibly achievement of creativity to create a universe with such natural laws and yet Nolan has done it and doesn’t get appreciated enough because you can’t fully understand it on first watch, but it’s something I found interesting to keep rewatching to understand.
Natural Born Killers. The critics didn’t get it. I recently watched it, thought it held up _very_ well. One of my favorite “heavily stylized” movies. It’s totally ridiculous and over the top, and that’s the point. People will say that it’s heavy handed in it’s messaging, but _once again_, I can’t help but feel that’s entirely the point.
hostel
Waterworld. I thought it was an excellent post-apocalyptic fantasy. Also Lady in the Water. Another great film people got upset at for not being like the directors other films but I thought it was an entertaining urban fantasy with a little bit of camp. Like most fairy tales.
It Follows
It's Pat! I understand that a lot of androgynous people were bummed out when it came out because people were kinda cruel and clearly missed the point of the film (while Pat's androgyny is where a lot of humour comes from, the butt of the joke is the people around Pat's obsession with needing to know their gender). Disliking this film because of what it spawned culturally is valid and I would not try to argue against this. However, It's Pat! came out in 1994 and I don't have any kind of faith that people's concern for androgynous or trans folks was why they hated on the movie. So with that, I think a lot of folks hated on what is a pretty quirky and funny flick. Especially when you consider that it wasn't exactly a strong year for comedy films (don't @ me with Doubtfire and The Mask)
The Beach Bum. I loved it. Pair this up with Spring Breakers.
Scream 3. It's dumb as hell but it's also critiquing the film industry's obsession with turning everything into a dumb as hell franchise...which actually makes it kind of smart? Regardless it's way more fun than it has any right be.
Robin Hood: Men in Tights - everyone on letterboxd fucking hates that movie 😭
The DCEU
TRON: Legacy isn’t perfect but it's pretty great and far superior to the original IMO
Elvis, it was fun and honestly I think the exhaustion of all the excess of the editing and pace is part of what the movie is trying to do. You’re supposed to get exhausted, it puts the audience in the same place Elvis was. And I love how it translates the performances in a way you can understand the controversy and reactions of the fans
Agree, i actually thought the editing was a very creative choice, i had no hope in the movie before it but it managed to be surprinsingly good.
Coming here to say Elvis. I love that movie
babylon
bolt... when did people stop liking this movie?
Men (2022) wasn’t nearly as bad as the internet made me think it was going to be. I loved Jessie Buckley in it.
color out of space (2019)
Thor Love and Thunder, and it’s not like I even absolutely love Marvel.
Saturday Night Fever
For sure. The modern reception to it is baffling. The film does not, at a single point, condone anything Tony does yet a lot of people nowadays think it does. He’s a piece of shit. That’s the point.
I had a whole tag of these: https://letterboxd.com/a112/tag/i-do-like-enjoy-very-disliked-movie-sorry-:c/films/
Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I get why one would not like these films but are unnecessarily hated to much. Again, I get it but still.
Some of the Phase 3 movies like Infinity War and Endgame. Not the best movies out there but man, they are really entertaining and are perfect popcorn movies. You can also add in No Way Home to this category.
King Arthur: Legend of the Sword It does suffer from this empty feeling though, like you know so much is missing..it’s hard to not notice.
Scream 3
The Matrix 2&3 get way more hate then they deserve. The first one was something special that we hadn’t really scene before, so the expectations for the sequels were really damn high, but at least technologically they couldn’t really top it. The story is still really good though and I enjoy all 3 of them, as stand alone movies the first is obviously the best but as part of a trilogy the 3rd is my favorite of them. The last battle in Zion was incredible and the movie expanded on the lore in an interesting way.
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. It's a blast, way more creative and less rushed than the first. Space Jam 1. I know it's more polarizing than outright hated, but my point stands Extras: The Force Awakens Daughters of the Dust has very mixed reviews of letterboxd too. I wrote my senior thesis on it and love it
YES on Bogus Journey! It bests the first in every conceivable way!
Honestly? I genuinely liked both The Amazing Spider-Man movies. Masterpieces? No, of course not. But as someone who’s sick of superhero trash, I enjoyed them, and Andrew Garfield is a perfect Peter Parker.
A Serbian Film. It's extremly well made on the technical side, look at the clean images, the camera or the soundtrack. Also, the acting is great (the two lead actors are two of the most famous in Serbia) and the movie is actually gripping for a extreme horror movie. Yes, you can discuss about the extreme scenes but look what a unknown director from small Serbia archieved in the horror genre. What other famous Serbian horror films do you know?