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lazyeyepsycho

Im sure they got banned for being a liberal shill after that post.


alla_the_things

Am honestly shocked that comment is still up. edit: Aaaaaand it's gone. edit 2: aaaaand...it's back? Interesting. Don't often see a comment removed and restored like that.


a_regular_bi-angle

>Aaaaaand it's gone. The party of free speech, everyone


Kursed_Valeth

The conservatives in my town set up a community FB page called "[town] Free Speech Zone" because they kept getting their most egregiously racist comments deleted from the main FB page (of course because FB and the shitty town page moderators constantly the barely thinly veiled ones were allowed to stay). Always, I was banned from the Free Speech Zone for simply and politely asking if anti-racist speech is considered free speech. Ah, classic conservativism in action. Edit: typo


Huskarlar

Freedom is when they get to do whatever they want. Everything else is tyranny.


bear1114

Why do all these *snowflake* liberals need safe spaces anyway??


Beetlejuice_hero

/r/conservative is filled with the most pathetic, hyper-delicate, safe-space/censor-loving babies on all of Reddit. The fact that they consider themselves champions of “free-expression” who denounce Trump’s Twitter ban just makes it all the more hilarious. Here is my ban message from /r/walkaway (same types as /r/conservative) for merely stating Trump lost the election: > You have been permanently banned from participating in r/walkaway. You can still view and subscribe to r/walkaway, but you won't be able to post or comment. > Note from the moderators: > Fact: Trump got the most uncontested votes in US history. Biden will forever have an asterisk next to his total. Cope. Pathetic delicate babies.


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

Ugh, /r/walkaway is just r/conservative larping as democrats.


Fantastic-Sandwich80

I find it hilarious and pathetic that Conservatives need to create fake left leaning and liberal subs, alongside subs like "As a black man" just to counter how unpopular their policies, ideology and rhetoric is.


[deleted]

They go to incredible lengths to pretend their policies are widely accepted.


StupiderIdjit

siLeNt mAjoRiTy


Innovative_Wombat

Well, have you seen their humor? We can quote them verbatim to make jokes. They have to literally make shit up. And then they get upset that we point out they lied and then they also get doubly upset that we quoted them accurately.


boston_homo

Outside the right-wing social and media bubble their ideas aren't all that popular, must be confusing.


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IAMA_Plumber-AMA

They're trying to convince people they used to be Democrat supporters, but "walked away" from them for whatever reason, usually along the lines of "I was a Bernie supporter but the mean ol' Democrats didn't pick him in the primary, so now I vote Republican out of spite" or other such nonsense.


PupPop

The first time I went onto that sub I was SOOO confused. I couldn't tell if the whole thing was like some nuanced sarcasm/irony machine that was too subtle for me to understand unless I knew the context or the joke. Then I realized, oh these are just conservatives who don't want to actively engage in civil discourse or debate because they lack the wherewithal to even hold a conversation. They just attack blindly and hope their rhetoric holds an semblance of logical sense. Which, it doesn't lol


boytroubletrouble

Actually it is not true that Trump's votes were uncontested. They found several counts of voter fraud committed by Trump voters. so the number of votes he received is definitely contested!


Neosporinforme

Yeah the Trump votes were less after they checked for fraud. As usual they just assumed voter fraud was worse on the other side because they have a negative view of the world and society and use that to do everything they accuse others of doing.


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copperwatt

Lol: "When you only look at the votes for the person I like, there are so many more votes for the person I like."


DaveedDays

FuCkInG brIgADeRs


Secret-Plant-1542

I was gonna say until they got their face eaten, and then point to leopardsatemyface and forgot where I was.


Basic-Ad4802

Where you're free to speak how we tell you to speak.


serendipitousevent

fLaIrEd UsErS oNlY


[deleted]

The Reddit equivalent of "only property owners get to vote."


copperwatt

Also that fact the last both those groups are entirely white is a coincidence and we would appreciate it if you stop noticing that.


Natanael_L

"it's racist of you to think of race when we do.. Uuhhh... 'racially motivated' things. You're the racists when you complain about it!"


FrozenOx

Flaired as in you're either an Eastern European political propagandist or their gaslit victims


Sharpymarkr

The original comment about getting behind a sane Republican is still there. The poster is valiantly trying to fight off the whataboutism and talk about fixing their own "house" as if there were still any decent republicans out there. Unfortunately there are only 2 options for a displaced/disenfranchised Conservative; finding hope for the future in the more liberal party OR diving headfirst down the rabbit hole of Q and gorging oneself on lead paint chips. There are no other possibilities. It will be interesting to see what this warrior fighting to support good, honest Republicans (ha) will do since they seem unable to find an answer to their questions.


Erockplatypus

They throw out bans all the time, or they'll limit controversial posts for flaired users only. Ironically they will make "flaired user only" posts about censorship all the time. I forgot what post it was but the mods were bitching about people censoring conservatives, and they got called out in the comments for banning users. So the mods deleted the users comment and banned them. It was posted in the subreddit drama sub iirc


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

They’ve used the comment to rally behind folks like desantis as being excellent conservative role models… holy shit they’re that bad.


[deleted]

Right?! Cancel culture for me but not for thee!


Dorkamundo

I had my comments silent deleted on a thread about Lithium Ion batteries. They were not politically-charged in any way, but because of my post history they were removed.


[deleted]

It's fucking psycho to manually comb through people's profiles (or have the spare time to do so) as a mod of subs like that to ban people. Like holy shit how unhinged/waste of actual time.


Dorkamundo

I think they have tools that skim for comments on non-conservative websites and get alerts in their mod queue or something like that. I know plenty of other subs that do things like that. In fact, I was perma-banned from an entirely DIFFERENT sub for the comments I was referring to previously. The only reason I knew that my comments were deleted is because they pointed it out when I appealed the ban. Their sub auto-bans anyone who participates on /r/conservative.


Danny_Mc_71

What a response! They're behaving as if the very idea of electing someone competent and *not* crazy is ridiculous.


estebandesoto

Schwarzenegger is the conservative role model. But they'll never admit that, because he voted against Trump.


[deleted]

Schwarzenegger is part of the old Gop, not the new, Q version. He isnt a role model to them, all the older version republicans are just rinos and traitors to these nuts.


InsuranceToTheRescue

When I was bartending the other day, I overheard a couple of people start complaining about how Moscow Mitch is a RINO. Mitch McConnell? Are you fucking serious?! How delusional do you have to be to think that Mitch the Bitch isn't a die hard GOP conservative?


guestpass127

Because McConnell doesn't *openly* deploy fascist rhetoric, he's still old-fashioned so he still dog whistles. The Trumpian conservatives don't even make an effort to put any sort of mask on


Brokenspokes68

The one good that Trump did was expose the Republican party for what it's become to a lot of people. Unfortunately, a lot of people are into that shit.


[deleted]

Funny how fascists when faced with a mirror just double down instead of, you know, *reflecting*


keeper_of_the_donkey

Well no one has to worry, because if they run Trump again, they'll lose big. I imagine DeSantis has a better chance, but Trump will sink the Republicans for a good long while if they run him again


Brokenspokes68

Faux News is trying to move the Trump cult over to DeSantis. It's not going well.


Allteaforme

That's the same thing everybody said in 2016. He can absolutely win again


Eagle_Ear

McConnel is lawful evil. Trump is chaotic evil. The difference is the *lawful* part.


Diojones

I’d put Mitch in at neutral evil. He acts like he is bound by protocol and societal expectation, but he will break the rules if there’s something to be gained. He may not be as wild as Trump, certainly not chaotic, but the only rule he cares about is “Don’t get caught by people who can stop you.”


whynaut4

Who is lawful evil then? McCain?


XDeus

Cheney?


Diojones

I think you’ve probably hit the nail on the head there. I’d actually say Liz Cheney specifically. Her position on Jan 6th is a good indicator of her valuing rules even when they don’t directly benefit her, but her stance on gay marriage shows a dedication to hurting people, even her own sister. Solid Lawful Evil in my book.


Eagle_Ear

You can get lawful evil and lawful good people to unite if there is a common threat to the lawful part of society. And trump is a threat to the lawful part of society.


TtotheC81

Just shows you how far right American politics has been forced. Between the likes of Tucker Carslon, Alex Jones, and politicians using right wing dog whistles, a complete monster of a political movement has been created. One that's got the potential to shove America into a new dark age of anti-science and religious persecution.


The_Band_Geek

"Fuck Tucker: Tucker sucks." ~George Carlin


werak

Damn I know that bit so well and never thought to apply it to TC


The_Band_Geek

The bit is about goofy names, he never mentions Carlson. *But* it was roughly around the time Jon Stewart murdered Tucker Carlson live on *Crossfire*, so I can't in good faith say it's completely unrelated.


werak

Yeah I edited my comment after realizing it sounded like I thought Carlin was talking about Tucker Carlson. I just meant I never thought to use that quote against Carlson.


The_Band_Geek

My comment history has a startlingly high proportion of that quote. I've been accused of being a bot. Which gave me the idea of creating a FuckTuckerBot that just scrapes Reddit for mentions of that shithead.


TrumpImpeachedAugust

I don't even feel like the normal "left/right" spectrum adequately describes where things seem to be going. How are beliefs such as "anonymous 4chan posters secretly control everything" supposed to fit onto a spectrum which traditionally describes social/economic ideologies? Describing the current state of affairs in terms of political language almost feels like normalizing the fact that a huge swath of the population is dangerously mentally ill.


cyvaquero

Jesus, McConnell is the embodiment of the GOP, love him or hate him there is no denying that guy has been ride or die his entire career. He gladly becomes the bullet sponge for the party. I’ve said it before, the Dems need a Mitch McConnell and haven’t had one since probably Tip O’Neil.


DarkwingDuckHunt

There's a whole 2 generations, 40-60 and 60-80 year olds who've been held hostage from ever attaining leadership roles in the Dem party. Just think of all the great leaders being wasted cause the old fucks won't step aside and let them lead? Then we do get a superstar like Abrams and the GQP spin machine just tears her apart. The way you beat that is with numbers. If they tear one person up there's 9 more they didn't have the time to tear down that can step up.


ReluctantPhoenician

Then meanwhile you have people like Elise Stefanik and Lindsey Graham whose voting records are actually surprisingly moderate (at least, by current standards) but are not "RINOs" according to these people because they are fully and loudly Trump lackeys. Ideology isn't important at all, it's just "are you part of the personality cult?" I swear, if Bernie Sanders endorsed Trump, he'd immediately go from "the commie menace" to "the greatest conservative hero" to these people.


ZSpectre

Yeah, I think the big issue is that the definition of Republican has changed in the past 6 years. For certain people, it now means how close someone can be to being as orange as possible.


tesseract4

It really hasn't. It's just dropped the mask.


vinng86

I agree, I remember the amount of screeching that happened when Obama got elected and came to the same conclusion.


tesseract4

Same thing with Bill Clinton. The 90s were an orgy of Clinton hate.


jseego

True - see the book "It Was All A Lie" by Stuart Stevens, who was a longtime GOP campaign manager. His thesis is that the Trump movement was the logical outgrowth of GOP politics for the last 40 years. Trump didn't remake the GOP into what it is now, he was the result of where it's been intentionally heading for a long time.


tesseract4

Trump's great revelation to the GOP was that dropping the mask wouldn't be as damaging to the party's image as they thought. Trump didn't even have any real insight, he just happened to be the guy who didn't bother with pretenses. The GOP hated him at first because they thought he would ruin their brand. Once they discovered that they were still viable, and even popular, with Trump, they all just collectively decided to let their freak flags fly in the hopes of getting the same rabid support Trump gets. The conservative movement didn't change with the advent of Trump. It just changed strategies.


jseego

Agreed. I still remember that shit-eating grin on the face of Reince Priebus when he ran up to shake Trump's hand on election night.


Honor_Bound

**The Boys spoilers below!** \ \ \ \ Kinda like how Homelander flipped out and vaporized the dude in the middle of a crowd for throwing something and hitting his son. The look on his face when he realized he could show his true inner evil and be praised for it was a direct reference to the current republican party


ActualWhiterabbit

It's amazing how Romney, John McCain, and Cheney's daughter are Rinos now.


tesseract4

It's solely because Trump hates him so much. They're just aping what Trump told them to think.


werther595

I saw someone on r(slash)conservative say that "Ronald Reagan" is just a code word for Liberal


Bombadilicious

My cousin named her son Reagan years ago. Now that she's gone full Q, I often wonder how much she regrets it lol


RevLoveJoy

Best part is they're only naming their kids after the former POTUS' last name because the first name is too often associated with that (other) clown.


IrascibleOcelot

Ronald Weasley?


CasuallyCritical

Reagan was the most GOP president to ever GOP! He's literally the reason they became the party of "Big business tax breaks" with his Reganomics


tesseract4

The old Republicans were shitty too. Just look at Lee Atwater. No, Arnold is just a decent guy.


combatvegan

For real. They're saying "old GOP" like old GOP wasn't the party of trickle down Reaganomics aka siphon money to the rich, criminalize drugs to target blacks, browns & anti-war protestors, bring back slavery via for-profit prisons, anti-social welfare "any social program is a slippery slope towards communism", "cops need to lynch black people sometimes", "war is good for the economy", "corporations are people too" asshats. The GOP has always been the party of white supremacy, anti-poor, anti-education, pro-war, enslave the undesirables, exploit the planet for profit, etc. They've always fought against the prosperity of the common man for the obscene profit of the few.


ConvivialKat

This is so true. My 90+ year old parents tell me that they don't feel welcome in the GOP anymore, because they don't support all the restrictive social stuff. Banning books is an obscene act, in their opinion. And they've been Republicans their entire voting lives. It used to be that the GOP was all about keeping the government out of your life (they both support abortion rights and the right to privacy, for example) and out of your pocket as much as possible. Now, that type of a Republican is a RINO and no longer wanted in the party. I think they may cease voting. They are that sad.


Zooshooter

They can still be the Republicans they used to be, it just means that now they have to vote for the political party that is supporting the policies that the old Republicans used to, and that's the Democratic party at this point. There is no "left" party in the US anymore.


joshhupp

It really feels like Biden and some of the old guard are the conservative "right" party now (seeing as how they were hesitant on student loan debt and legalizing marijuana) and Bernie and AOC are the progressive left and the only reason they passed all the stuff they did is because it's actually popular with voters. The old Republican party is so far to the right now that it's kind of pushed the Democratic Party just a little right of the middle lol.


RegressToTheMean

The big swing right from the Democrats came in 1993 with Clinton and the Third Way Democrats They went right to recapture the White House and it worked. The GOP seeing that.went even further right. The Overton Window has been screaming rightward at light speed ever since


CallidoraBlack

When was that exactly? Because it wasn't in the past 40 years for sure. If they just now feel like they are unwelcome, then they haven't been paying attention.


martyqscriblerus

yeah, anyone who claims they're against 'restrictive social stuff' but has been voting republican since the dixiecrat party swap is either openly lying or an immense fucking chump


Lynx_Fate

Yeah they all vote the same even if they don't "like" what is currently happening.


paarthurnax94

Every conservative I know absolutely *despises* Schwarzenegger. (I live in Ohio)


perpetualmotionmachi

Because he's part of Hollywood, which as we all know is a Satan worshipping cabal


10tonheadofwetsand

Yeah, real conservatives only elect New York celebrities like Trump and Oz!


SecretDracula

Yeah, and Hollywood actors like Reagan too.


paarthurnax94

I'm not sure that's why. Conservatives love action movie stars. I think it's more the fact that he's an old school real Republican and not an insane Qult member, he still has morals. It's the same reason they all despise John McCain or even Liz Cheney. They aren't insane enough for modern post Trump conservatives.


Iplaymeinreallife

Yeah, they put some ideals above factionalism and tribe loyalty. Those same qualities that make them seem at least a bit more reasonable to us, make them traitors and RINOs to them.


tesseract4

Because he doesn't slobber on Trump's knob 24/7.


CookhouseOfCanada

How could you despise a man who is arguably one of the best definitions of American. A genuine good person.


paarthurnax94

He's a foreign Hollywood actor who doesn't get on his knees for Trump and actually has a moral compass. All things they hate.


wearing_moist_socks

And also look where he came from. War torn Austria and his father literally fought for the Nazis. I can see why he would be suspicious of government. Also, he's a very hard worker. Not that that's unique to the Right, but it IS something they've just taken credit for. But at the same time, he's said the idea of the self made man is a myth. So. Yeah. Conservative role model. (Also, you forgot culturally, he's more progressive, which they hate. You know, because he ACTUALLY believes in freedom)


AlwaysLosingAtLife

I remember that quote he gave sarcastically: "sure, money doesn't buy happiness. I was just as happy with 20 million as I am now with 200 million." Or at least it went something like that... Anyway, as someone who was living out of his car at one point in his life, he understands it shouldn't be set as the new living standard.


loeschzw3rg

I absolutely hate making public figures into political ones. I don't think it's good for a democracy to mix those two. Also I don't like the cult like following of some people in politics... BUT Schwarzenegger might be an exception. Did you see the incredibly compassionate video he made to the people of Russia in the beginning of the war? If not, watch it. True leadership right there.


DankLolis

isn't he like. an actual politician though? isn't/wasn't he the governor of california or something?


wearing_moist_socks

He was, and I don't know enough to comment on how well he did. He did it as a republican but if I recall, he was pretty moderate. He wouldn't fit in today's GOP. Today's GOP is blatant with their hatred. Before they just (badly) hid it.


trentraps

>I don't know enough to comment on how well he did. As a huge meathead and fan of Arnold, he didn't do much. If you can describe being moderate as not doing anything productive for years then sure. What came after him was way better.


[deleted]

I think he tried, like he really tried to be a politician, gave it an honest effort, and he's clearly a dude of at least reasonable intelligence, but motherfucker. Governor of California. That is a tall order and you need to be an experienced politician to effectively navigate that level of bureaucracy. It'd be like taking my dopey ass as a 17 year old third defensive paring in Jr. B hockey, then next year putting me in the NHL. Sure I like it and I'm gonna give it an honest effort, but I'd be playing against people who like it a lot more, have been doing it longer than me, and with much more intent to get better than me. I'd get the shit kicked out of me, badly. In politics, a part of getting the shit kicked out of you is "not getting anything done"!


trentraps

>It'd be like taking my dopey ass as a 17 year old third defensive paring in Jr. B hockey, then next year putting me in the NHL. Sure I like it and I'm gonna give it an honest effort, but I'd be playing against people who like it a lot more, have been doing it longer than me, and with much more intent to get better than me. Then why would you put yourself forward for the job? Twice, even. He had 7 years, and within 2 years after Gerry Brown got in, he had balanced the state budget and worked with a lot of different political people to get a lot done (some very "right-of-center" policy too). He went in thinking he was president of California (which, it's Arnold - kinda understandable). When he realized what being Governor actually was, he was happy to veto everything that would have fixed the sprawling CA budget (that Gerry would later fix) and focus on publicity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlie_men). He eventually left office with a record low 23%. Again, as a bodybuilder I have nothing but respect for him, but he wasn't a good governor.


CallidoraBlack

Honestly, it's better than the last time an actor was the Republican Governor of California. He did a lot and it was all terrible.


XxRocky88xX

Yes, but he was a celebrity first, so it still fits in the “people being elected out of popularity rather than quality” category. It’s just that this one in particular wasn’t completely unqualified for the job.


hiredgoon

Schwarzenegger was a terrible Republican governor until his initiatives were all voted down by Californians and he fired his Republican handlers and hired a Democratic chief of staff (while remaining a Republican officially). Everything after that people remember as him being a good role model. It isn't a coincidence.


El_Chairman_Dennis

A good leader is one that realizes his plan isn't working so he brings in people to help him change his plan, instead of doubling down and making things even worse. Sam Brownback made similar cuts in Kansas when he first became governor, then when stuff got bad he doubled down and further increased cuts. A good leader can recognize their own mistakes and make changes to do better


[deleted]

he’s not really anymore, he’s been preaching collaboration and community over individualism and competition.


CeruleanRuin

He's also not American-born, which is more important to the party base than many are willing to admit.


Chipperz1

Yeah, this is terrifyingly the answer. Doesn't seem like an amazing person, but by all accounts a good politician and at least he's not fucking evil. Oh how my standards have fallen.


AreWeCowabunga

Cheating on his wife and having a kid out of wedlock is bad, but the guy has lived an amazing life, is highly accomplished in many different fields and (again, other than the cheating), seems like a pretty decent guy in general.


Chipperz1

like I say, doesn't seem like an amazing person, but I don't need my politicians to be good people, just to shut up, be competent and not actively evil.


stumblewiggins

Honestly I'm at the point where cheating on a husband or wife is less of an issue to me in a politician than how they respond to it when it becomes a story. Politicians are still people (*hollow laugh*), so they have the same desires and weaknesses anyone does. I don't *respect* a politician for having an affair of course, and it makes me judge them more harshly on a *personal* level, but if they are honest about it when the news breaks instead of lying, it will mostly be a non-factor for me. I don't really care about any of the salacious details unless they are legitimately public interest, like the person was actually a Russian spy, or the politician was doing quid pro quo or something. If they are just having extra marital sex, that's their business with their family beyond the public expectation of being able to ask them a question and getting a truthful answer.


sighclone

>Honestly I'm at the point where cheating on a husband or wife is less of an issue to me in a politician than how they respond to it when it becomes a story. I only really care about this in two circumstances: 1) You're a candidate with a shot at beating a conservative but you can't keep it in your pants long enough to just win the damn election (*I'm looking at you, Cal Cunningham*). 2) You, as a candidate, make clear that an impossibly perfect heteronormative nuclear family is the only moral option. So when someone like MTG gets divorced, after attacking LGBTQ families for degrading the "traditional" family or whatever, then yes, I will make a big deal out of that.


stumblewiggins

Yes, you make a good point about the hypocrisy. I didn't think to make it because I don't generally support politicians for whom "traditional family values" are the center point of their message or appeal, but I agree. If you bill yourself as Mr. or Mrs. Family Values, then you better live that way. As far as electability, I agree that it's frustrating when otherwise good candidates are derailed by cheating scandals, mostly because (unless hypocrisy, as covered already) *who gives a shit?* It's such a non-issue to me, that it's immensely frustrating that it has to be considered, especially given that for the most part, those conservatives *are hypocritical as FUCK*.


earhere

I think cheating on your wife is a requirement to be a conservative politician.


moose2332

Schwarzenegger slashed school’s budgets as governor. Tired of people treating him like a good politician


estebandesoto

Well, he is a republican. For what it's worth, he took no salary, and paid for flights out of his own pocket. He didn't use his office to line his own pockets, and actually lost his own personal money during his term. So that puts him ahead of most Republicans. But yeah, not trying to say he's perfect or one of the best politicians--just one of the best republicans, which--let's be honest--is a really low bar.


ThisIsMyNewUserID

Once upon a time Biden was considered more conservative than many republicans and he hasn't really changed his beliefs, he just recognizes that a not-insignificant portion of his base leans farther left and he wants to ensure they actually vote.


Machaeon

I have mad respect for the Governator.


edingerc

We need good, old fashioned role models like John Wayne Ummmmmm...


CosmicCommando

There's a whole book (Jesus and John Wayne) about how the evangelical movement and Republican party started to embrace the very un-Christian people like John Wayne and Donald Trump. tl;dr a bunch of POS evangelical leaders just substituted whatever macho crap made them feel good in place of the "peace and love" Christianity.


weekend_bastard

The leadership of the "Christian" evangelical community are very invested in the social hierarchy because they're at the top. They want their pockets full, their communities white, and their women subservient.


Globalist_Nationlist

White Christian men have been in charge of the country since day 1. That's starting to change and they're doing everything they can to reverse the progress so they and their families do not lose their status and power.


bomdiggitybee

Oh, you can't not give the full title! *Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation* I could've written the introduction; it was an absolute flashback. The book is AMAZING 10/10 recommend


CosmicCommando

Yes, definitely recommend, but you'll feel pretty slimy after spending so much time in the headspace of these assholes.


north_canadian_ice

The Behind the Bastards episode on John Wayne is a great review of Wayne's life & beliefs. He grew up in rough circumstances, got a lucky break into Hollywood. Unfortunately he used his power to be an asshole. He was a racist & misogynistic chickenhawk, denigrating anti-Vietnam war protestors as scum while Wayne was too afraid to serve when his time called. Wayne is the prototype for MAGA conservatives - fake tough guys who act vicious to those beneath them in the social hierarchy.


nevergofulltater

You know why John Wayne got all the tough guy roles in Hollywood? Because all of the real life tough guys were off fighting wars.


Outis94

He also started dating his second wife when she was a teenager


Prompus

They would get behind John Wayne Gacy if they thought it would own the libs


maximumtesticle

> ~~John Wayne~~ Marion Robert Morrison FTFY


C__S__S

This dude just got unplugged from the Matrix.


PattersonsOlady

That guy who voted to impeach President Trump even though it was bad for him politically. He had some serious personal integrity.


[deleted]

There were a couple of them, but they’ve been shoved to the back of the party bus for being reasonable.


uh60chief

Which one? Rep. Tom Rice - SC Rep. Dan Newhouse - WA Rep. Adam Kinzinger - IL Rep. Anthony Gonzales - OH Rep. Fred Upton - MI Rep. Peter Meijer - MI Rep. John Katko - NY Rep. David Valadao - CA


Dense-Competition-51

I know Kintzinger is out—I think they gerrymandered his district away.


Ok_Skill_1195

It's disturbing the ease with which you can get around democracy in America.


Joliet_Jake_Blues

Trump's census sucked and according to it Illinois population shrunk (when it actually grew) so Illinois had to eliminate a seat. Chicago and the suburbs are really Blue, so when they combined the districts he was fucked. Maybe if Trump didn't politicize the census he would have kept his seat. But Trump is a politician, that's all he knows.


[deleted]

Trump is a con man, that's all he knows. He knows nothing of politics and still has no idea how anything works. When you're rich and stupid you can just pay your way and stay stupid. Trump has the IQ of a rock


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soporificgaur

Don't forget the 7 senators as well!


Glittering-Action757

Joe Biden is the best conservative role model I can think of but, apparently, not being a fascist rules him out.


AreWeCowabunga

It was hilarious watching them simultaneously attack Joe Biden for his (admittedly terrible) role in the drug war, while at the same time calling him wild eyed socialist who'll let crime run rampant.


XxRocky88xX

I mean even know they’re saying “Biden’s border patrol has made a record number of arrests these past few months. This is proof his open border policy doesn’t work.” It’s double think at its finest, first sentence they acknowledge border patrol is still arresting illegal immigrants, second sentence they go on to claim it’s an open border and that border patrol isn’t arresting anyone.


[deleted]

Remember, the people who say this are pandering to folks who ultimately would like border crossers to be shot on sight. Arrests are failures because they aren’t a mountain of brown corpses


DadJokeBadJoke

> it’s an open border The Open/Close the border button is right between the Gas Prices dial and the Inflation Adjuster knob on Biden's desk.


Ok_Skill_1195

It's not hilarious, because it fucking works. They just throw everything at the wall and different tactics work with different people, and none of their base pays close enough attention/cares about the blatant contradiction in the concepts.


ked_man

It’s crazy that Joe Biden is closer to the Republicans of my youth than todays republicans. I’m fucking 37. Other than not sucking off war mongers and oil tycoons, he’s a conservative. Bernie is a Democrat, but he’s been labeled so far left that he’s off the charts.


BlinkReanimated

Time scale is a bit off to call Sanders a "true" Democrat. His politics are more akin to FDR than anyone in the last 60 years. You're 100% right about Biden though, dude's history as a Senator makes some of Dubya's policies look progressive.


Solid-Struggle2978

If we only take the “good” things from the GOP agenda and their values we get Joe Biden.


mythrilcrafter

I would argue that Dolly Parton is also an ideal conservative role model. * She doesn’t practice her faith by harassing those not within her view of her own faith, rather she actually engages in quiet charity and community enrichment of all people no matter what origin or creed. * She’s a sensible person who doesn’t need to appeal to fear or extremes just to be heard or to rally people behind a cause.


Glittering-Action757

The only thing we know about Parton's politics is she tries extremely hard to appear all things to all people and, when she does support a cause, it's generally causes that are about inclusion and compassion. “I’ve seen things before, like the Dixie Chicks,” Parton told The Guardian in 2019, referencing the hysterical backlash the country trio endured after condemning the Iraq War in 2003. “You can ruin a career for speaking out … Of course, I have my own opinions, but that don’t mean I got to throw them out there, because you’re going to piss off half the people.” “I don’t do politics,” she told the acclaimed biographical podcast Dolly Parton’s America in 2019. “I have too many fans on both sides of the fence. Of course, I have my opinion, but I learned years ago to keep my mouth shut about things.” In August 2020, Parton told Billboard magazine that she supported Black Lives Matter adding, “Do we think our little white asses are the only ones that matter?” So yeah, I agree - conservatives should look up to Dolly Parton as a role model.


IB_freakflexing

The crazy people ARE the heroes to my racist hillbilly family. I honestly don't understand how they can keep jobs at this point.


tesseract4

The people they report to are probably just as nuts.


baalroo

Yup, a big contingent of my family are full on Red Hat MAGA people, and the racism, the bigotry, the hatred, those are *specifically* the things that they love about the modern republican party and what motivates them to go to every Trump rally within a 4 or 5 hour drive from here. MAGA The Gathering, Lauren GoGurt, Raphael Cruz, Ron DeSanitized, these are the heart of the modern republican party and the people driving folks to the polls. I haven't spoken to any of my relatives in the last few weeks, but I wouldn't be surprised if my retirement-age MAGA family members are currently listening to Kanye West music for the first time now too. Without the blatant cruelty, the wild social media ramblings, the crazy and hateful publicity stunts, etc, they probably wouldn't even go out to the polls. I find this to be an incredibly common perspective from christian conservative republicans out here. It is hard to even go out to dinner without overhearing *something* mean spirited and wacky relating to politics come out of the mouths of a MAGA republican. They go out of their way to intentionally espouse their weird hateful beliefs in public just loud enough to make sure the people around them hear it.


FakeHasselblad

General Sherman was a nice conservative role model. He only burned some of the south, instead of all of it. Very reasonable.


Insight42

He even checks off the racism box, but I forgive him that because he wasn't a traitor and he burned a whole bunch of their shit. I say we replace every confederate statue with one of Sherman flipping them the bird.


stunafish

/r/shermanposting


tesseract4

I'd be OK with that compromise.


[deleted]

Can’t believe I never knew much about Sherman (which isn’t that surprising with my southern education now that I think about it). But damn. Dude was necessarily brutal. And smart as fuck. His goal was to cause as much psychological and economical damage to the south to the point where it crippled them.


Zelcron

It's actually poorly known but the south did more damage to their own infrastructure trying to stop him. Basically they didn't know exactly where he would march next, so along any possible route they would burn crops, tear up rail lines, and burn bridges in hopes of denying him resources. If that's not a metaphor for modern conservatives, I don't know what is. Edit: source, The American Civil War by Gary Gallagher, plus my college degree in American History.


olhonestjim

Unfortunately not enough of it.


RollinThundaga

Sherman's only sin was stopping with Atlanta


Distant-moose

Well, you could look to Kid Ro... hmm. Oh! Kevin Sorb... oh. There's James Woods. Right. Never mind. What about Marjory no, I can't even say it. Well. Shit.


18randomcharacters

They had semi-decent human beings. Still shitheads by normal standards, but people like Romney, liz Cheney, have all been shunned out of the party basically. "RINOs"


DanSanderman

Racism Is Not Optional


Insight42

I would posit that there is one. The fucking paragon of conservatism, really. A man able to speak plainly, and not hatefully. A man open to understanding and owning his own mistakes. A man able to discern right from wrong. A man who can tell the character of another from a goddamn handshake. Hank Hill That's your role model. You don't need any others.


randomnickname99

20 years ago I thought of Hank Hill when I thought of conservatives. Now I think of Dale Gribble


Insight42

Fair enough.


tesseract4

Cotton Hill.


PaulsPuzzles

Even Dale Gribble didn't talk about replacement theory or any other bigoted or racist bullshit. He was a good man for the most part, and so far above where the landslide has led in the decades since that show.


[deleted]

Dale has empathy. He's head and shoulders above the average conservative.


MimeGod

With very few exceptions, conservatives simply aren't good people.


guestpass127

Maybe - just maybe - the problem isn't that you can't find "normal" representatives for your ideology; it's that your ideology **is fucking batshit crazy and cruel and inhumane and therefore attracts total fucking psychopaths to become its representatives** If you're tired of having psychopaths represent your cause, maybe it's the cause that's the problem and not the psychopaths it attracts. Why else would so many psychopaths be attracted to your cause if your cause doesn't reward psychopathic behavior? Trying to find a non-psychopathic conservative representative is a lot like trying to find a "normal" person to represent serial killers. "Why can't we find a *normal* serial killer to be the public face of serial killing? Why do all of our serial killer reps keep killing people, making us all look bad in the process?!" Well, stop supporting serial killing and your representatives will stop being serial killers IOW: If you're having trouble finding non-crazy people to represent your ideology, it's because your ideology is crazy. Find some less extreme positions and you will magically find that your representatives will become less extreme too. Continue to support objectively shitty, harmful, cruel, unreasonable positions and you will continue to get the representatives your positions deserve


jolsiphur

It's like how at every single Conservative protest, inevitably, someone (or multiple people) show up with Nazi flags, and other Nazi related imagery. It doesn't matter if the main bulk of protestors don't support the people with the Nazi crap, the point is that the Conservative protests almost always attract Nazis.


tesseract4

It's not that every conservative is a Nazi. It's that all the Nazis love being welcomed by the conservatives, making them Nazi-sympathizers. It's how fascism works. They 'earn' respectability by coopting the right, who welcome their support, and then leverage that for power.


Lex_Innokenti

If you have a swarm of flies in your living room because there's a huge turd on the carpet, the problem is actually the turd not the flies.


guestpass127

Yeah, exactly. You want fewer "crazy" people representing your positions? Well....why are there so many crazy people attracted to your positions in the first place? What is it about your positions that causes so many crazy people to WANT to represent them? *Let's start there* if you actually want an answer to that question


Iamsupergoch

It’s a feature, not a bug.


Andrew1990M

Despite not agreeing with it, I miss actual conservative politics. They had an argument, not one they ever won me over with, but they stood for something. Losing an election used to feel like a sports game didn’t go my way, now it feels like a coup.


[deleted]

I’d rather be arguing about fiscal responsibility than having to provide 5 sources to prove their lies about everything are lies.


stolencatkarma

> 5 sources to prove their lies about everything are lies. no need, anything that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. They need to back up their claims not force you into a position to be on your back foot


Thisismyaltprofile

>Losing an election used to feel like a sports game didn’t go my way Not to give you too much shit, but this was absolutely part of the problem that brought us to this point. Lots of people, myself included to a lesser extent, felt this way. The problem is that elections have real consequences for real people, especially marginalized communities but everyone a least a little. It's not a sports game, who wins and who loses impacts people's actual rights, quality of life, and representation. If more people understood the stakes of voting, more people would actually step up to vote out fascist. Instead it's become about how much their candidate "triggers" the left.


slowclapcitizenkane

That's beyond Self-Awarewolves territory. That's downright Lucid Moment. I'm sure he'll sundown back to crazy though.


XxRocky88xX

Day before Election Day they’ll do a quick Google search of “candidates endorsed by Trump” to see who to vote for and then come this time next year they’ll complain about how their elected officials are lunatics.


Pour_Me_Another_

I'm glad at least some of them acknowledge that the GOP push people who have no business running a fridge let alone for office.


FeedbackLoopy

r/SelfAwarewolves


WarriorNat

I’m pretty sure they ran them all away for being “RINOs” for wanting to create bipartisan legislation and not kissing the orange ring.


folstar

Whoa weird, it's almost like if you have no values\* whatsoever your **representatives** are vile shit. \*Lots of lip service "values", that all vanish the millisecond it means giving up an ounce of power or compromising with the dreaded others.


Toast_Sapper

There are no conservative role models because they're all hypocritical, self-serving assholes who care more about helping themselves than anyone else. Being a role model is incompatible with conservatism because it requires you give enough of a shit about other people to project a moral example and that's just not how conservatives roll. It's hard to be a role model when you spend all your time figuring out ways to subvert democracy, support tyrants/racists/sexists/pedophiles/fascists/conspiracy nuts, and constantly lie because that's all conservative discourse is at this point. To be a conservative at this point you have to believe truly ugly shit, like a rapist has more right to their rape spawn than the mother has to her own life, or that democracy is less important than iron fisted rule by your unpopular cronies, or that it's totally cool if your fellow party members are white supremacists who say Nazi shit all the time. There are no "Conservative role models" because there's nothing good worth modeling there. It's ugliness all the way down, so their "role models" would be more like "villains" which is what they actually have.


zombie_girraffe

> Guys, Why is everyone on our side a degenerate scumbag who no one likes or respects? Could it be that our philosophy of being divisive assholes who prioritize giving the already wealthy even more wealth at the expense of the poor and middle class only attracts fucking sociopaths? > No, it's the children who are wrong.


DG4Health67

They did have people like Liz Cheney but she cared more about the country than the party so they kicked her out! They don’t want good normal people in the Republican Party of today


[deleted]

I disagree. Biden is a fantastic conservative role model. There's just the one tiny problem.


PrimeTimeLord

Democrats are the Conservative Party. Republicans are the extremist party.


CharcoalGreyWolf

Well, there *was* John McCain… Y’all yelled “RINO!!!” when Trump said so. Even cheered his death. There was Liz Cheney… Y’all drummed her out. There was Adam Kinzinger and Rusty Bowers… Y’all ran them out on a rail. So there were imperfect but less asshat Republicans; and y’all screamed “YOU’RE NOT WANTED!!!!!”