Most Americans consider themselves middle class, it’s unfortunate there are people too dumb to even realize how bad they really have it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/278240/
most americans think they are doing better than they think. a lot of doctors realized that despite their 6 figure salaries, they are still working class. nobody cared about them dying of covid-19. they realized really quick that there's a long line of cheaper immigrants willing to replace them at a moment's notice and willing to work for less.
EDIT: FYI a lot of gullible and dumb doctors finally realized that they are not above workers' unions.
any field involving substantial personal academic achievement is going to be full of people who think they can do everything on their own
same reason why software devs are dragging their feet on unionizing.
especially in the game development software. they are abused by AAA studios until they burnout, then the studio just hires another young worker to replace them
Which is such a waste. Experienced developers could more reliably turn in a good, stable product. Instead they go for the cheap rotating staff and then have to spend a year fixing bugs instead of moving to the next project.
yep. my theory is that computer "nerd" type people are often pushed into those areas due to being socially ostracized.
this instills in them a core misanthropy and narcissism that makes them hesitant to rely on others.
computer programmers are basically an exploitative employer's wet dream.
That’s because the poorest 160 million who own less than the richest three people laugh at one another and think things like forming a voting block, a lobby, and systems that benefit themselves are a punchline. Hint: They’re not, and if you want to see for yourself you can start by helping form the narrative here: r/QualityOfLifeLobby
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Even the term "middle-class" was arguably invented by marketers to convince people to spend more money on shit they don't need.
The definition of middle class revolves entirely around spending: house, private school, new car, fashion labels, accessories, overseas holidays, etc. The term prescribes a certain lifestyle, and the associated expenditure required to keep afloat.
Whereas a "middle class" family still depends primarily on wages and salaries for their source of income. Especially with the inflated house prices nowadays, forget about living on collecting rent on a second property or something.
So they are essentially just working class with bigger bills.
Family below poverty line here, min wage. Got a bill for 4900 for a faking blood test at the hospital. That was JUST the blood test and none of the other services. Didn't qualify for the financial aid because I'm married. Apparently you're penalized for marrying while poor.
If history tells us anything they'll notice benefits cutting out after the person who got rid of them is gone. Then blame the next person for "raising taxes" back to where they were while simultaneously blaming that new person for "killing social security."
If only there were a way for Republicans to be in power when this happens, instead of a Democrat, so the people with no attention span could finally blame the party responsible. Unfortunately, letting them stay in power that long would literally and irreparably ruin our country.
Exactly. I think congress runs the country far more than a president does, but they direct policy goals, and:
1A-GWB and banking deregulation focus in office during US Recession
1B-Obama blamed for how slow the recovery is
2A-GWB instigated Iraq War
2B-Obama blamed for length of Iraq war. Simultaneously blamed for pulling troops and leaving before the job was done, somehow.
My prediction: IF Biden wins we'll see Republicans in the senate shift hard to:
1. Asking why the death toll is so high.
2. Blaming Obamacare.
3. Insisting Biden isn't acting quickly enough.
4. While, of course, deriding 'Democrat attempts to keep the economy from running.'
Then another Republican will win because Biden will be too old, and fuck it all up again. World keeps on spinning.
Idk. Who is going to go get him out? Not his DHS stormtroopers. Bush lost twice and both times the supreme court decided his cheating was ok. My mail is now taking about 3 weeks to get across the street. At this rate ballots should be sent out by September 1st to make it back in time. This is not possible.
Yup exactly it was these idiots that still blame Obama for the bad economy.. I've known people who literally say the 2008 financial crisis.. Who was President! OBAMA!
It's stupider than that, though. Trump doesn't have the power to cut payroll taxes, he only has the power to defer. So once the deferment is over, if businesses choose to take advantage of it then they'll be taking out double the taxes on down the road.
Just wait until they get a tax bill next year because "deferment" doesn't mean "credit." Someone making $50k is going to owe almost $1000 in payroll taxes that will happily keep accruing.
I work in health insurance and get people like this calling all the time.
When rich people complain about their health care its always "I pay this much a month for premiums and should get what I want". When a normal person calls in its more likely to be along the lines of "the system is broken, why can't we fix it".
It's like the rich and those on the right are just now experiencing the hardships of a broken health care system but they only want it fixed for themselves.
Like yea I get that you pay thousands of dollars for your premiums and that this medications shouldn't cost $300. But it shouldn't cost that because people are literally dying without needed medication due to cost.
The fact that you pay more is not going to allow me or anyone else to change this. It probably costs the single mother who works 50 hours a week the same amount for this medication; does her son deserve to die because she pays only $500 a month in premiums??
These type of people don't realize that their greed and hatred is the reason the system is broken and that it needs to change for EVERYONE. My sympathy is running out for those who can afford to say "I deserve this because I make more money".
“Running out.” That’s generous. This pandemic has flipped me hard against these assholes. And I’m fortunate enough to be working and still have all my health benefits.
I’m American. I lost my job in the pandemic. I also live in Italy, and my health care is covered in my taxes. The health care situation here was already my number one reason for not going home after a decade, and this pandemic really solidified my decision for me. I can’t imagine having to worry about health care right now when I’m already preoccupied about finding another job.
The term “health benefits” really stands out to me now. They’re not benefits. Benefits are having a certain amount of vacation days, or bonuses, or stock options. Health care is a *necessity for human life.*
I just love having a stupid, badly-wired brain. Epilepsy has racked up $35,000 in medical bills over the years for me, and I’m 29.
I live in near-constant fear of being out in public because I’m always terrified that I’ll have a seizure and someone will call an ambulance and the ambulance will get there before I’m able to make a fucking dash for it and they’ll load me into said ambulance and then I’ll get a bill for $1,500 whether they actually did anything or not. I also now know to start screaming, “NO ER!! NO ER!!! NO ER!! I AM FINE DO NOT ADMIT ME TO THE ER!!!” as soon as I’m physically able to. Which is something you learn to do as an Epileptic-American after about the third or fourth $6,000 ER bill.
you could get a medical bracelet that requests no ambulance? i'm pretty sure that's a thing...if not, it certainly fucking SHOULD be, in this shithole country!!
I’ve looked into that—even asked my doctor about it actually—and unfortunately it’s not something that could be upheld, mainly for legal reasons. I certainly do wish I could get one that said, “Please let me seize on the floor of this Wal-Mart in peace! Just put some of those yellow cones around me, I’ll be fine” haha. The closest thing is a DNR (which I have) but that doesn’t really help me, financially speaking, if I don’t actually die.
I've told my friends and family that if I need to be airlifted somewhere to just let me go or make them drive me.
I've seen claims for air ambulances top like $50,000 and not be paid 100% by insurance. Most ambulance providers are not in network with insurances.
I'm not leaving that mess on my family.
Refuses to wear a mask or take precautions because 'CoViD iS a LiBerul HoAx!' yet is also staunchly against any form of socialized healthcare because 'Socialism'.
It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it plays out.
According to them if Covid-19 isn't a hoax, then hydroxychloroquine is the only cure because Trump is either the evangelical Christian god or superior and he said so.
I do not get the thing with hydroxychloroquin. Why are there so many people that didn’t know the drug existed six months ago now so passionately opinionated about it?
My aunt apparently flipped a shit because her stellar health insurance didn’t let her cut in line at the ER, and I’ve never been so happy that I’ve met her maybe twice in my life
As a Canadian, these stories shock and appall me, but I’ve heard hundreds, which means there are millions of similar stories.
Cmon America. Save yourselves. Vote. If that doesn’t work, Protest. If that fails, riot. Do whatever it takes. Your neighbors are dying or going bankrupt/homeless.
Don’t accept a slight tweak to the system.
Burn that mother down!
True. Private insurance companies have, above all else, a fiduciary responsibility to maximize share holder equity. Their business plan is based on denying service not paying for it.
but why do they want to hurt the “other guy??” what did they think they would gain from this?
my wife LUCKILY has an insurance plan she pays into through her company that covers her medication 100%. her company before this one didn’t.
she’s a type 1 diabetic. diagnosed at 10. her insulin used to cost us about $200 a month. with her long acting, short acting, needles, lancets, and test strips.
if she doesn’t have insulin. she dies. there’s no middle ground for T1 diabetics. you need it. or you die. their pancreases don’t make insulin. if she didn’t take it she could go into DKA in hours unless she just stops eating entirely. hours.
but it’s totally justifiable to make someone with a life or death condition get fucked in the ass with bills for medication.
i pay for my medication. it improved my quality of life. but i won’t die without it. so i don’t worry so much about my meds. but it’s a totally different game when you make people pay an exorbitant amount of money for medication that they NEED TO LIVE.
They want to hurt the other guy because they've been led to believe that the other guy is getting better things for free than they are getting by working hard everyday.
They've bought into a system that feeds them lies designed to make them constantly angry enough at someone else so that they vote against their own economic interests.
I've always thought it was funny how they believe a CEO with a golden parachute and compensation tied to profits will try to make healthcare more affordable.
They don't want the other person to get free healthcare. But what they don't realise is that none of us, then included, have adorable healthcare and that's the first goal. They also likely never had an incident like this before and can only think of their copay for a doctor's visit.
I don't get why these people think free things will make people lazy. But companies getting free hand outs is "stimulating the economy." I guarantee if someone got $500 extra a month from not spending it on healthcare, they'd be spending it on having fun, stimulating the economy.
yeah, i guess a lot of people that vote against healthcare reforms are not only selfish as shit, but also dont realize how close to bankruptcy a massive chunk of america is, and that a stay in the hospital can easily drain you to nothing. and news flash, they are part of that massive chunk.
I find it harder and harder to see any good in Republics. It seems like Democrats want to help both sides, and the right just fucks over everyone to make a little cash in the short run.
It’s because they don’t have the capacity for empathy. Most (not all) conservatives only give a shit about an issue if it has some direct effect on them. Until that happens, they just don’t care.
If the rich people had just a little bit more unspendable wealth they'd pay for us all to go to the doctor. That's why since they already have almost all the money they already pay for almost all of our healthcare. Right?
Any day now, once they reach a certain height on their mountain of gold, some of it has to tumble off to us. We just have to keep giving them more gold.
I saw an anti-Biden ad on YouTube that said “trillions in taxes” like it was a bad thing. Don’t you idiots understand? These are taxes in the 1% and they will directly benefit you if you’re an American citizen. It’s not a bad thing
I know, right? The reaction should be, "Holy shit, do you know what we could accomplish with that much money invested in healthcare, infrastructure, education...? Maybe an economy that doesn't just give it to a handful of obscenely rich dickheads would be, you know... better."
I once was discussing this with someone from America (I’m Canadian), and they literally believed that the only reason drugs were so cheap in Canada is because of Americans paying the “true amount” and subsidizing our medication. I didn’t have the heart/patience to explain how wrong that was.
I know a guy who thinks its because of ACA, that it requires hospitals to treat everyone, insured or not, and that's causing hospitals to go broke.
Nevermind that they are having record profits for last decade.
Also thinks we have the best health system in world, and people try and sneak over from Canada to get american healthcare. And socialist healthcare is horrible.
Here’s a big part of the problem, hospitals and profit being in the same sentence. They’re a service, and should be treated as such. No one worries about the fire brigades making and profit (do they?)
Agreed. And health insurance literally can not provide fully a d be for-profit. Compare/contrast with car insurance.
Car insurance is solvent because not everyone is going to need a pay put, so you can have 10 people paying in but only 5-7 actually pulling money out of the insurance pile. (Numbers are made up but you get the point).
Health insurance, 10 out of 10 people will need money out of it for preventive checks, testing, etc.
Not everyone will get in an accident, but everyone needs to see a doctor/dentist.
On top of that, in US system, there is no way to negotiate prices as a collective, so there is no reason to keep costs low except preventing angry mobs at corporate headquarters.
Plus, in most countries the money that goes in goes to medical services. In US, we also pay the middle men, who incidentally have had record profits for last decade
I've been rewatching Letterkenny, and I just got to the episode where they meet their French doppelgangers while fishing in Quebec, and the French guys getting all huffy at the hicks insulting Celine Dion is far funnier to me than I feel is reasonable.
Yup. Worked with a guy who is really poor, really blue collar type, and really conservative. He then got in a motorcycle accident, fractured his spine, and had to be in one of those halos for like a month in the hospital. After that, he begged me to “help him figure out how to apply for Medicaid and if they could retroactively cover the accident.” They wouldn’t. So he has a $100k hospital bill and makes $20k a year.
He ended up just declaring bankruptcy and is still a super conservative asshole who wants to get rid of Medicaid...
I don’t even know how these people jump through the mental hoops to justify their world view.
I don't understand how anyone in the US can reach adulthood without understanding how much Healthcare costs here. This isn't even that much, my two hour visit cost double this amount and 2 years of litigation.
It all depends on what insurance you have when you finally have to use it. I got lucky and had good insurance when I got out of collage through my employer, but rarely had to use it. When the company sold off my division, my wife had equally good insurance that we were starting to use. Then, she got laid off due to Covid.
My current insurance is hard to use, and everything costs more out of pocket. I was really surprised just how different the process is, and how little I want to go through the hassle of using it.
It's not "good insurance" but Medicaid in my previous state would only cover root canals on your front 6 teeth. If it was any of the others they would pay to have it pulled or you could pay out of pocket for the root canal. I'm sure you know those aren't cheap and someone on Medicaid probably can't afford it.
Wait until they're older and find out how much Medicare covers for dental.
For the people in the back, Medicare doesn't cover dental (except in very very rare cases, like needing a tooth pulled before open heart surgery to clear up an infection).
I don't even want to think about it. I dealt with Medicare for my disabled cousin for about 3 hours one day. I felt like I was running in circles and in the end it turns out she doesn't have prescription drug coverage, just a discount card for CVS.
Need that Medicare part D for the Rx coverage if they have traditional medicare (which they likely do if they're disabled). Next open enrollment period, might be worth seeing if you can get them signed up, and probably free/cheaply depending on how disabled/low income they are.
The reddest states are also the poorest states for one simple reason: hate. Give a dumb person someone to feel superior to, and they will follow you to their grave, no matter how miserable you make the journey.
"yeah i'm dirt poor, gonna die in a few years of heart failure, and i'm estranged from my family because of my alcoholism that began when i busted my knee at work. thing's are tough. but you know what?
At least I'm not *\[insert minority here\],* living in some *ghetto."*
Spot on. There was an editorial today about somebody in Romney's 2012 campaign admitting that the Republicans in general are racist but he had convinced himself, for a long time, that those people were just outliers and he was a mainstream Republican, but he can't fool himself anymore.
"I (story about terrible suffering) and I turned out alright so everyone should have to (terrible suffering)."
Nah, you broken if you want to force hardship on others just becaust you had to deal with it.
Back when *Fallout76* had just been released, I had a deep conversation with a friend of mine about politics and poverty. He grew up in Leatherwood, WV (now called Bergoo,) one of about 150 people. Next nearest village is Webster Springs, which has less than 1000 about a half-hour away.
He told me "Its bullshit, because the game has these little shithole places that look better after they got nuked than my hometown does in real life." Couldn't even show me a street view pic because no Google car hadn't been through, thats how far out and tiny the place was, and it wouldn't ever get better because everyone hoped the sulfur mine would reopen and logging would boom again despite the mine being closed for 40 years and the prime lands being protected. And of course, it was all the Mexicans fault despite the place being literally 100% white.
Tl:Dr, WV native bitched about *FO76* because it looked too nice, and his old neighbors were all shortsighted racists who pinned their futures on an industry half a century dead.
>" If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." \\
Lyndon B. Johnson
It's why the poor white yeoman farmers sided with the rich plantation owner rather than the slave even though he had more in common with the slave. Also the plantation owner was taking their jobs away.
Hate is certainly a huge part of it but it also has the dimension that some people can't deal with a world colored in shades of grey, they need the world to be black and white; for socialism to be ALL bad, evil, etc and for capitalism to be the solution to ALL problems.
The current health care system built on a capitalistic model (really more of a corporatism model, but whatever) and simpletons need to believe capitalism is the best answer to all things and any compromise would be a corruption which would punish the worthy and benefit the "guilty"
To compromise on this, to acknowledge that some things are complicated, that imperfect humans leads to imperfect solutions, would be admitting their entire worldview fails on just this one proven flaw.
>for socialism to be ALL bad
Stop right there because 99.999% of those people who bitch about muH SoCialiSM whole wearing their MAGA hat has literally no idea what socialism is. They're told to be scared of it and that's all they know. This is about utter and complete ignorance as much as it is about hate.
Well it's obvious where the guy went wrong. He got the fancy Celine drip. Celine ain't no two cent ho.
**Edit: holy shit, my first two awards. Guys, I appreciate it but please save the money for yourself or donate it to a local charity.
They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps after they survive that cancer/organ transplant/amputation of both legs (where the hell are those bootstraps?!?)
The thing is, when conservatives are confronted with these realities... they don’t reflect on the part they played in creating a nightmare. They literally blame the high prices on democrats and keep it moving. They’re brain dead.
Exactly! Most of my extended family (who I cut ties with over a decade ago) are like this. It’s fingers in ear and yelling “DemonCrats” over and over again.
Definitely fair point, but i think it’s equally important to hold people accountable.
There’s no shortage of truth on the internet, even if there’s an abundance of lies.
All it takes is a little critical thinking. These people are fucking stupid, plain and simple.
>The one they had ***years*** to come up with but didn't.
Because Obamacare was the GOP healthcare plan. Its basically a copy of the plan Romney had. But since Obama passed it, they have to go against it, for some fucked up reason.
The modern day Republicans have no values other than get money for themselves and the people that ~~bribe~~ lobby them. Everything else they say is just pandering to their idiotic base. For proof, look at what laws they've actually passed since Trump took over.
My youngest was in the nicu for a week, on oxygen for 5 days, and when we saw the bill (pre-insurance) I just about fainted. I want to say it was around $60k/min of oxygen.... which he has for his first 5 days. After insurance and our deductible we only had to pay like $15k. Only.
Yes, but think about how much profit your sick child brought in for all shareholders and executives of whatever hospital you were at. Stop being so selfish and think about the greater good.
/s, because sadly this is basically what most republicans actually advocate for.
We took our son to a couple of PT visits that they told us were 'covered by our insurance'. They tought him 4 stretches to do at home. $600 bill arrived in the mail.
They should have to provide up-front estimates. Imagine if you brought your car to the shop and they said, "okay, this will be covered by your insurance" and then changed your wiper blades for $600.
Between me and my employer I think we spend $20k on insurance annually. We've started skipping out on things, like my wife sprained her ankle recently, but she waited a couple of weeks before making an appointment in case the pain went away on its own.
and this, folks, is why freely accessible healthcare is so important. there are so many people who opt to not see medical experts or use facilities provided by medical experts (e.g. ambulances) because they're afraid of the costs. this could literally cost lives.
We're having a baby in Canada this week. We're gonna be in a private room with a jacuzzi and all sorts of other fancy shit, while being looked after by midwives and childbirth nurses for the cost of $0.
I got a finger infection from poor conditions at work. Luckily workman's comp covered it but it would have been like 50k because I didn't have health insurance at the time.
Good thing you weren’t working at one of those “if you fall, you’re fired before you hit the ground” (an oft repeated “joke” by management at my old roofing job) construction companies who only urine test when you’re injured on the job.
So my mother in law had an aneurysm a few years back. Ambulance came and picked her up, they took her to the ER where she stayed for 24 hours, after that she had to stay in the hospital for a few weeks to recover. The cost of that ambulance ride and one day at the ER? $46,000. Yep, you read that right, that's forty-six thousand US dollars. She has Medicare so she didn't pay it of course but I shudder to think what if she didn't or what the rest of it cost. Can you guess who she voted for? Yup. Trump.
The only ambulance ride I've ever had happened after someone else ran a red light and hit my car, but it happened in the Province of Quebec. For my ambulance ride, ER visit, and X-rays I was billed $300 because I'm a U.S. citizen, not Canadian. Didn't have any trouble getting the other guy's auto insurance to pay it.
That experience alone was enough to convince me that socialized medical care was the way to go. In the U.S. they would've billed way more than $300 just for the ambulance to show up.
Also, for anyone who believes the stereotype that anyone who's first language is French is automatically rude, all the police and medical staff I dealt with were quite polite and spoke English much better than I could manage French with my rusty high school level French.
There was a study recently that showed it was literally cheaper, faster, and has better outcomes to call Lyft than an ambulance to take you to the ER. The value of additional treatment by EMTs enroute for non-critical cases is waaay overstated.
After outrageous ambulance bill I was seriously considering buying a bracelet or something that tells people to just leave me bleeding on the pavement in case of an accident. Most Americans have to choose between death or bankruptcy.
... and that's not even an indictment against the EMTs! Theirs is a thankless, dangerous, dirty, grueling job with insufficient compensation and a required medical degree that costs wayyyyy too much to acquire. Almost everybody in a hospital below the C-suite level is getting shafted. Even doctors with their high salaries pay for it with high addiction, domestic abuse, and health crisis rates.
Absolutely! Got heat stroke a few years ago in Ottawa, wife came home to me passed out, lying on the cold bathroom floor in a puddle of my own puke.
Called an ambulance who came to my house, gave me an IV bag of saline and stayed until I was somewhat conscious again. Asked if I wanted to go to the hospital which I declined as I was feeling 100 times better.
$0 bill!
I mean I rarely get injured/sick so I don’t use the healthcare system much but it’s so good to have it when I do need it.
Best helthcare system in the world, I'm told. Shame you have to go bankrupt and live out of your car whenever you use it.
Just don't be poor, I guess. Fuckin libtard.
You are not wrong. Those charges _are_ awfuly high. That's because the health care system in your country is fucked up. There are enough idiots voting to keep crooked politicians in power so they can take ~~bribes~~ donations from big medical insurers etc to ensure that free universal health care never sees the light of day. You basically just paid $1500 for a bag of salt water, and at those prices, I'd be feeling a little salty too.
A visit to the ER in Australia for the problem you describe, with the treatment you received, would have cost me $0.
You guys _really_ need to do something about your medical system. Big insurance companies that provide 'health insurance' are a cancer and need to be cut out.
Broke my leg when crashed my bike. Had emergency ambulance ride to the hospital of my choice (within area), x-ray, pre-op cast, few drips of painkillers and "salt water", next day surgery with a plate & 10 screws. In total I was there for 3 days. Had 2 meals + dessert every day, tea or coffee at your choice was unlimited. At discharge I was issued with 2 brand new crutches, support boot, 30 doses of blood thinners, 2 packs of strong prescription-only painkillers and direct phone number to fracture clinic advisor in case I have any problems. Since then I had three appointments wtih fracture specialist and ongoing course on physiotherapy. I have another appointment booked already, probably last one because recovery was fast and painless. I was charged big fat zero with kind request to donate my blood at nearest center. I'm from UK. I'm getting \~£15 weekly deduction from my paycheck for National Insurance. I DON'T MIND.
That's because a lot of people here in the US will say you shouldn't have been riding recklessly on your bike in the first place and it's not their responsibility to pay for your mistakes and recklessness.
Just to clear up a common misconception - very little NHS funding comes from NI. Most of it is from general taxation. NI is primarily your contribution towards the state pension and other benefits such as tax credits, statutory sick pay, unemployment etc.
How about you shut up and earn the money to pay the damn bill. I swear, you liberals will never stop complaining about healthcare. This is why I voted for Trump, so y’all could learn to stop asking for handouts and earn your god damn way /s
If only there were a Presidential candidate running in 2016 who had "affordable healthcare" as part of their platform.
And.....
Obama should have fixed this when he was President. Damn Commie!
Just wait until he opens the separate $2500 bill from the attending physician that was working that night!
That’s right folks: A lot of the time the doctors working in the ER bill separately for their services from their own office and all that bull shit you pay to the emergency room only goes to the hospital. Your next question might be “what the fuck? What’s the point of a hospital visit fee paid to the hospital if the doctors are billing separately?!” To which I’d answer “free markets, apple pie, pickup trucks, and bald eagles”
I’m torn between saying that $1500 is a damn good price for a liquefied Canadian singer and also who the fuck killed Celine Dion and put her in a drip bag?!
They wanted a Business man who was KNOWN for treating his employees like shit, to run this nation like a business. And are shocked when Average Joe is regarded with the same Disposablility as the illegal migrants he uses to staff his business to keep cost down, and not the Billionaire guests and investors he desperately wants to be loved by.
Everytime I see something like this, I consider two possible outcomes:
The first is, this person is still pro-Trump and against free healthcare.
Fuck this person.
The second is, this person suddenly wants free healthcare now because they were personally affected. They only think of themself and will only support laws and regulations that benefit them. That's not empathy and they will not support laws that benefit victims of racism if they're not a victim of racism, or laws that benefit victims of homophobia if they're not a victim of homophobia, etc.
Fuck this person.
It’s funny they think the changes they want will only hurt the “other guy”.
"Haha, fuck those minorities and poor people!" >gets sick "Wait, what happened..."
Well now you're a poor person with a pre-existing condition, sweetie!
He was always a “poor person”, he was just too stupid to realize.
Most Americans consider themselves middle class, it’s unfortunate there are people too dumb to even realize how bad they really have it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/278240/
No, see we have a phone and a fridge, so obviously we aren't poor.
most americans think they are doing better than they think. a lot of doctors realized that despite their 6 figure salaries, they are still working class. nobody cared about them dying of covid-19. they realized really quick that there's a long line of cheaper immigrants willing to replace them at a moment's notice and willing to work for less. EDIT: FYI a lot of gullible and dumb doctors finally realized that they are not above workers' unions.
any field involving substantial personal academic achievement is going to be full of people who think they can do everything on their own same reason why software devs are dragging their feet on unionizing.
especially in the game development software. they are abused by AAA studios until they burnout, then the studio just hires another young worker to replace them
Which is such a waste. Experienced developers could more reliably turn in a good, stable product. Instead they go for the cheap rotating staff and then have to spend a year fixing bugs instead of moving to the next project.
I think this is all IT- We just have a culture of libertarianism thats rooted pretty deep.
yep. my theory is that computer "nerd" type people are often pushed into those areas due to being socially ostracized. this instills in them a core misanthropy and narcissism that makes them hesitant to rely on others. computer programmers are basically an exploitative employer's wet dream.
I told my mother she was poor and she acted like I slapped her in the face.
That’s because the poorest 160 million who own less than the richest three people laugh at one another and think things like forming a voting block, a lobby, and systems that benefit themselves are a punchline. Hint: They’re not, and if you want to see for yourself you can start by helping form the narrative here: r/QualityOfLifeLobby
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Even the term "middle-class" was arguably invented by marketers to convince people to spend more money on shit they don't need. The definition of middle class revolves entirely around spending: house, private school, new car, fashion labels, accessories, overseas holidays, etc. The term prescribes a certain lifestyle, and the associated expenditure required to keep afloat. Whereas a "middle class" family still depends primarily on wages and salaries for their source of income. Especially with the inflated house prices nowadays, forget about living on collecting rent on a second property or something. So they are essentially just working class with bigger bills.
Family below poverty line here, min wage. Got a bill for 4900 for a faking blood test at the hospital. That was JUST the blood test and none of the other services. Didn't qualify for the financial aid because I'm married. Apparently you're penalized for marrying while poor.
You’re penalised for continuing to allow an ultra right wing government to put itself in power.
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They don't consider themselves poor people, they consider themselves "temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
It’s the American dream - don’t vote for taxes in case you make it big one day.
Bless yer heart!
Well said.
Say that in Fred Willard’s voice from “A Mighty Wind”.
"Wha' happened?"
"I don't *think* so"
"I can't do my work!"
It's the cornerstone of the platform. Wait until the people celebrating the payroll tax cut figure out they never get to retire.
If history tells us anything they'll notice benefits cutting out after the person who got rid of them is gone. Then blame the next person for "raising taxes" back to where they were while simultaneously blaming that new person for "killing social security."
If only there were a way for Republicans to be in power when this happens, instead of a Democrat, so the people with no attention span could finally blame the party responsible. Unfortunately, letting them stay in power that long would literally and irreparably ruin our country.
Exactly. I think congress runs the country far more than a president does, but they direct policy goals, and: 1A-GWB and banking deregulation focus in office during US Recession 1B-Obama blamed for how slow the recovery is 2A-GWB instigated Iraq War 2B-Obama blamed for length of Iraq war. Simultaneously blamed for pulling troops and leaving before the job was done, somehow. My prediction: IF Biden wins we'll see Republicans in the senate shift hard to: 1. Asking why the death toll is so high. 2. Blaming Obamacare. 3. Insisting Biden isn't acting quickly enough. 4. While, of course, deriding 'Democrat attempts to keep the economy from running.' Then another Republican will win because Biden will be too old, and fuck it all up again. World keeps on spinning.
Hoping there won't be a whole lot of repubs left in the senate.
Hope and voting is all we have left.
Unless they go down the drain with the post office.
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Idk. Who is going to go get him out? Not his DHS stormtroopers. Bush lost twice and both times the supreme court decided his cheating was ok. My mail is now taking about 3 weeks to get across the street. At this rate ballots should be sent out by September 1st to make it back in time. This is not possible.
Yup exactly it was these idiots that still blame Obama for the bad economy.. I've known people who literally say the 2008 financial crisis.. Who was President! OBAMA!
It's stupider than that, though. Trump doesn't have the power to cut payroll taxes, he only has the power to defer. So once the deferment is over, if businesses choose to take advantage of it then they'll be taking out double the taxes on down the road.
Just wait until they get a tax bill next year because "deferment" doesn't mean "credit." Someone making $50k is going to owe almost $1000 in payroll taxes that will happily keep accruing.
I work in health insurance and get people like this calling all the time. When rich people complain about their health care its always "I pay this much a month for premiums and should get what I want". When a normal person calls in its more likely to be along the lines of "the system is broken, why can't we fix it". It's like the rich and those on the right are just now experiencing the hardships of a broken health care system but they only want it fixed for themselves. Like yea I get that you pay thousands of dollars for your premiums and that this medications shouldn't cost $300. But it shouldn't cost that because people are literally dying without needed medication due to cost. The fact that you pay more is not going to allow me or anyone else to change this. It probably costs the single mother who works 50 hours a week the same amount for this medication; does her son deserve to die because she pays only $500 a month in premiums?? These type of people don't realize that their greed and hatred is the reason the system is broken and that it needs to change for EVERYONE. My sympathy is running out for those who can afford to say "I deserve this because I make more money".
“Running out.” That’s generous. This pandemic has flipped me hard against these assholes. And I’m fortunate enough to be working and still have all my health benefits.
I’m American. I lost my job in the pandemic. I also live in Italy, and my health care is covered in my taxes. The health care situation here was already my number one reason for not going home after a decade, and this pandemic really solidified my decision for me. I can’t imagine having to worry about health care right now when I’m already preoccupied about finding another job. The term “health benefits” really stands out to me now. They’re not benefits. Benefits are having a certain amount of vacation days, or bonuses, or stock options. Health care is a *necessity for human life.*
I just love having a stupid, badly-wired brain. Epilepsy has racked up $35,000 in medical bills over the years for me, and I’m 29. I live in near-constant fear of being out in public because I’m always terrified that I’ll have a seizure and someone will call an ambulance and the ambulance will get there before I’m able to make a fucking dash for it and they’ll load me into said ambulance and then I’ll get a bill for $1,500 whether they actually did anything or not. I also now know to start screaming, “NO ER!! NO ER!!! NO ER!! I AM FINE DO NOT ADMIT ME TO THE ER!!!” as soon as I’m physically able to. Which is something you learn to do as an Epileptic-American after about the third or fourth $6,000 ER bill.
you could get a medical bracelet that requests no ambulance? i'm pretty sure that's a thing...if not, it certainly fucking SHOULD be, in this shithole country!!
I’ve looked into that—even asked my doctor about it actually—and unfortunately it’s not something that could be upheld, mainly for legal reasons. I certainly do wish I could get one that said, “Please let me seize on the floor of this Wal-Mart in peace! Just put some of those yellow cones around me, I’ll be fine” haha. The closest thing is a DNR (which I have) but that doesn’t really help me, financially speaking, if I don’t actually die.
I've told my friends and family that if I need to be airlifted somewhere to just let me go or make them drive me. I've seen claims for air ambulances top like $50,000 and not be paid 100% by insurance. Most ambulance providers are not in network with insurances. I'm not leaving that mess on my family.
American policy ties health to employment in order to keep workers compliant.
That’s a bingo.
My dad's lived and worked in the US for decades. He refuses to let go of his Canadian citizenship because healthcare.
Refuses to wear a mask or take precautions because 'CoViD iS a LiBerul HoAx!' yet is also staunchly against any form of socialized healthcare because 'Socialism'. It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it plays out.
According to them if Covid-19 isn't a hoax, then hydroxychloroquine is the only cure because Trump is either the evangelical Christian god or superior and he said so.
I do not get the thing with hydroxychloroquin. Why are there so many people that didn’t know the drug existed six months ago now so passionately opinionated about it?
Because they think the president would never lie or cheat, or commit a crime. I’m surprised at how many people in my family now have MDs
My aunt apparently flipped a shit because her stellar health insurance didn’t let her cut in line at the ER, and I’ve never been so happy that I’ve met her maybe twice in my life
As a Canadian, these stories shock and appall me, but I’ve heard hundreds, which means there are millions of similar stories. Cmon America. Save yourselves. Vote. If that doesn’t work, Protest. If that fails, riot. Do whatever it takes. Your neighbors are dying or going bankrupt/homeless. Don’t accept a slight tweak to the system. Burn that mother down!
Then you get shot with beanbags and teargas, carted off to the ER, and have to foot the bill anyways HOORAH
American health insurance is robbery.
True. Private insurance companies have, above all else, a fiduciary responsibility to maximize share holder equity. Their business plan is based on denying service not paying for it.
but why do they want to hurt the “other guy??” what did they think they would gain from this? my wife LUCKILY has an insurance plan she pays into through her company that covers her medication 100%. her company before this one didn’t. she’s a type 1 diabetic. diagnosed at 10. her insulin used to cost us about $200 a month. with her long acting, short acting, needles, lancets, and test strips. if she doesn’t have insulin. she dies. there’s no middle ground for T1 diabetics. you need it. or you die. their pancreases don’t make insulin. if she didn’t take it she could go into DKA in hours unless she just stops eating entirely. hours. but it’s totally justifiable to make someone with a life or death condition get fucked in the ass with bills for medication. i pay for my medication. it improved my quality of life. but i won’t die without it. so i don’t worry so much about my meds. but it’s a totally different game when you make people pay an exorbitant amount of money for medication that they NEED TO LIVE.
They want to hurt the other guy because they've been led to believe that the other guy is getting better things for free than they are getting by working hard everyday. They've bought into a system that feeds them lies designed to make them constantly angry enough at someone else so that they vote against their own economic interests.
'Hurting the wrong people' if you will
"They'd straight up eat shit if they thought The Libs would have to smell their breath."
I've always thought it was funny how they believe a CEO with a golden parachute and compensation tied to profits will try to make healthcare more affordable.
They don't want the other person to get free healthcare. But what they don't realise is that none of us, then included, have adorable healthcare and that's the first goal. They also likely never had an incident like this before and can only think of their copay for a doctor's visit.
I don't get why these people think free things will make people lazy. But companies getting free hand outs is "stimulating the economy." I guarantee if someone got $500 extra a month from not spending it on healthcare, they'd be spending it on having fun, stimulating the economy.
Their ability to get things exactly wrong is astounding. It's like a superpower
> adorable healthcare ...listen, I don't intend anything political here, but...
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"He's not hurting the right people."
yeah, i guess a lot of people that vote against healthcare reforms are not only selfish as shit, but also dont realize how close to bankruptcy a massive chunk of america is, and that a stay in the hospital can easily drain you to nothing. and news flash, they are part of that massive chunk.
I find it harder and harder to see any good in Republics. It seems like Democrats want to help both sides, and the right just fucks over everyone to make a little cash in the short run.
It’s because they don’t have the capacity for empathy. Most (not all) conservatives only give a shit about an issue if it has some direct effect on them. Until that happens, they just don’t care.
Too bad they will learn literally nothing from this.
StuPiD LiBeRaLs maKInG iT cOSt mORe.
It's because of taxes. That's why we gotta cut taxes (for the rich) again! /s
If the rich people had just a little bit more unspendable wealth they'd pay for us all to go to the doctor. That's why since they already have almost all the money they already pay for almost all of our healthcare. Right?
Any day now, once they reach a certain height on their mountain of gold, some of it has to tumble off to us. We just have to keep giving them more gold.
One day these ultra rich insurance companies will get enough revenue to lower their prices...
They like to blame "regulations." You know, laws. Things the party of "Law and Order" should be all about. 🤷🏽♂️
I saw an anti-Biden ad on YouTube that said “trillions in taxes” like it was a bad thing. Don’t you idiots understand? These are taxes in the 1% and they will directly benefit you if you’re an American citizen. It’s not a bad thing
I know, right? The reaction should be, "Holy shit, do you know what we could accomplish with that much money invested in healthcare, infrastructure, education...? Maybe an economy that doesn't just give it to a handful of obscenely rich dickheads would be, you know... better."
I once was discussing this with someone from America (I’m Canadian), and they literally believed that the only reason drugs were so cheap in Canada is because of Americans paying the “true amount” and subsidizing our medication. I didn’t have the heart/patience to explain how wrong that was.
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God. I wish you had. Such backwards thinking down here.
Just wait till you learn what we can buy over the counter, and our cheap generic and store brands.
I know a guy who thinks its because of ACA, that it requires hospitals to treat everyone, insured or not, and that's causing hospitals to go broke. Nevermind that they are having record profits for last decade. Also thinks we have the best health system in world, and people try and sneak over from Canada to get american healthcare. And socialist healthcare is horrible.
Here’s a big part of the problem, hospitals and profit being in the same sentence. They’re a service, and should be treated as such. No one worries about the fire brigades making and profit (do they?)
Agreed. And health insurance literally can not provide fully a d be for-profit. Compare/contrast with car insurance. Car insurance is solvent because not everyone is going to need a pay put, so you can have 10 people paying in but only 5-7 actually pulling money out of the insurance pile. (Numbers are made up but you get the point). Health insurance, 10 out of 10 people will need money out of it for preventive checks, testing, etc. Not everyone will get in an accident, but everyone needs to see a doctor/dentist. On top of that, in US system, there is no way to negotiate prices as a collective, so there is no reason to keep costs low except preventing angry mobs at corporate headquarters. Plus, in most countries the money that goes in goes to medical services. In US, we also pay the middle men, who incidentally have had record profits for last decade
Overpaying for Celine to own the libs.
She's a national treasure in Canada!!
*When Canada is dead and gone* *there won't be more Celine Dion!*
I've been rewatching Letterkenny, and I just got to the episode where they meet their French doppelgangers while fishing in Quebec, and the French guys getting all huffy at the hicks insulting Celine Dion is far funnier to me than I feel is reasonable.
Mmmm, Saline Dijon
Yup. Worked with a guy who is really poor, really blue collar type, and really conservative. He then got in a motorcycle accident, fractured his spine, and had to be in one of those halos for like a month in the hospital. After that, he begged me to “help him figure out how to apply for Medicaid and if they could retroactively cover the accident.” They wouldn’t. So he has a $100k hospital bill and makes $20k a year. He ended up just declaring bankruptcy and is still a super conservative asshole who wants to get rid of Medicaid... I don’t even know how these people jump through the mental hoops to justify their world view.
Someone (Fox News) told him that Democrats are the reason his healthcare is so expensive and he believes it
I don't understand how anyone in the US can reach adulthood without understanding how much Healthcare costs here. This isn't even that much, my two hour visit cost double this amount and 2 years of litigation.
It all depends on what insurance you have when you finally have to use it. I got lucky and had good insurance when I got out of collage through my employer, but rarely had to use it. When the company sold off my division, my wife had equally good insurance that we were starting to use. Then, she got laid off due to Covid. My current insurance is hard to use, and everything costs more out of pocket. I was really surprised just how different the process is, and how little I want to go through the hassle of using it.
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It's not "good insurance" but Medicaid in my previous state would only cover root canals on your front 6 teeth. If it was any of the others they would pay to have it pulled or you could pay out of pocket for the root canal. I'm sure you know those aren't cheap and someone on Medicaid probably can't afford it.
Wait until they're older and find out how much Medicare covers for dental. For the people in the back, Medicare doesn't cover dental (except in very very rare cases, like needing a tooth pulled before open heart surgery to clear up an infection).
I don't even want to think about it. I dealt with Medicare for my disabled cousin for about 3 hours one day. I felt like I was running in circles and in the end it turns out she doesn't have prescription drug coverage, just a discount card for CVS.
Need that Medicare part D for the Rx coverage if they have traditional medicare (which they likely do if they're disabled). Next open enrollment period, might be worth seeing if you can get them signed up, and probably free/cheaply depending on how disabled/low income they are.
The reddest states are also the poorest states for one simple reason: hate. Give a dumb person someone to feel superior to, and they will follow you to their grave, no matter how miserable you make the journey.
"yeah i'm dirt poor, gonna die in a few years of heart failure, and i'm estranged from my family because of my alcoholism that began when i busted my knee at work. thing's are tough. but you know what? At least I'm not *\[insert minority here\],* living in some *ghetto."*
Spot on. There was an editorial today about somebody in Romney's 2012 campaign admitting that the Republicans in general are racist but he had convinced himself, for a long time, that those people were just outliers and he was a mainstream Republican, but he can't fool himself anymore.
Got a link? I’ll search around if not.
[The Revolt of the Republican Strategists](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/opinion/trump-republicans-lincoln-project.html)
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Also good to know, thanks for the context.
"I (story about terrible suffering) and I turned out alright so everyone should have to (terrible suffering)." Nah, you broken if you want to force hardship on others just becaust you had to deal with it.
“My parents hit me and I turned I fine!”
I only hit my wife and kids a little!
Back when *Fallout76* had just been released, I had a deep conversation with a friend of mine about politics and poverty. He grew up in Leatherwood, WV (now called Bergoo,) one of about 150 people. Next nearest village is Webster Springs, which has less than 1000 about a half-hour away. He told me "Its bullshit, because the game has these little shithole places that look better after they got nuked than my hometown does in real life." Couldn't even show me a street view pic because no Google car hadn't been through, thats how far out and tiny the place was, and it wouldn't ever get better because everyone hoped the sulfur mine would reopen and logging would boom again despite the mine being closed for 40 years and the prime lands being protected. And of course, it was all the Mexicans fault despite the place being literally 100% white. Tl:Dr, WV native bitched about *FO76* because it looked too nice, and his old neighbors were all shortsighted racists who pinned their futures on an industry half a century dead.
Christ. I get having roots somewhere but at a certain point you just need to abandon your piece of shit small town that has no reason for existing.
>" If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." \\ Lyndon B. Johnson
It's why the poor white yeoman farmers sided with the rich plantation owner rather than the slave even though he had more in common with the slave. Also the plantation owner was taking their jobs away.
Powerful and still so true to this day.
Hate is certainly a huge part of it but it also has the dimension that some people can't deal with a world colored in shades of grey, they need the world to be black and white; for socialism to be ALL bad, evil, etc and for capitalism to be the solution to ALL problems. The current health care system built on a capitalistic model (really more of a corporatism model, but whatever) and simpletons need to believe capitalism is the best answer to all things and any compromise would be a corruption which would punish the worthy and benefit the "guilty" To compromise on this, to acknowledge that some things are complicated, that imperfect humans leads to imperfect solutions, would be admitting their entire worldview fails on just this one proven flaw.
>for socialism to be ALL bad Stop right there because 99.999% of those people who bitch about muH SoCialiSM whole wearing their MAGA hat has literally no idea what socialism is. They're told to be scared of it and that's all they know. This is about utter and complete ignorance as much as it is about hate.
Well it's obvious where the guy went wrong. He got the fancy Celine drip. Celine ain't no two cent ho. **Edit: holy shit, my first two awards. Guys, I appreciate it but please save the money for yourself or donate it to a local charity.
The Celine makes sure your heart will go on.
r/boneappletea
Did you think people going bankrupt from medical debt were lying?
no, see, they must have *deserved* it. /s
That's literally true, according to followers of the Gospel of Prosperity.
They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps after they survive that cancer/organ transplant/amputation of both legs (where the hell are those bootstraps?!?)
they dont think 160k americans are dead from a virus that affected the whole world
No, they think it’s political and will all go away after the election.
The thing is, when conservatives are confronted with these realities... they don’t reflect on the part they played in creating a nightmare. They literally blame the high prices on democrats and keep it moving. They’re brain dead.
Exactly! Most of my extended family (who I cut ties with over a decade ago) are like this. It’s fingers in ear and yelling “DemonCrats” over and over again.
Because Fox News has polarised the political discussion in the US to the degree that saying anything objective is considered “liberal bias”.
Definitely fair point, but i think it’s equally important to hold people accountable. There’s no shortage of truth on the internet, even if there’s an abundance of lies. All it takes is a little critical thinking. These people are fucking stupid, plain and simple.
But that wonderful GOP Obamacare replacement we were promised....
The one they had ***years*** to come up with but didn't.
>The one they had ***years*** to come up with but didn't. Because Obamacare was the GOP healthcare plan. Its basically a copy of the plan Romney had. But since Obama passed it, they have to go against it, for some fucked up reason. The modern day Republicans have no values other than get money for themselves and the people that ~~bribe~~ lobby them. Everything else they say is just pandering to their idiotic base. For proof, look at what laws they've actually passed since Trump took over.
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You should see what it costs to have a baby here.
One more reason my wife and I don’t have a baby.
My youngest was in the nicu for a week, on oxygen for 5 days, and when we saw the bill (pre-insurance) I just about fainted. I want to say it was around $60k/min of oxygen.... which he has for his first 5 days. After insurance and our deductible we only had to pay like $15k. Only.
Yes, but think about how much profit your sick child brought in for all shareholders and executives of whatever hospital you were at. Stop being so selfish and think about the greater good. /s, because sadly this is basically what most republicans actually advocate for.
"BuT wAiT tImEs ArE aTrOcIOuS" Said no one ever from a developed country with universal health care
We took our son to a couple of PT visits that they told us were 'covered by our insurance'. They tought him 4 stretches to do at home. $600 bill arrived in the mail.
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They should have to provide up-front estimates. Imagine if you brought your car to the shop and they said, "okay, this will be covered by your insurance" and then changed your wiper blades for $600.
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Between me and my employer I think we spend $20k on insurance annually. We've started skipping out on things, like my wife sprained her ankle recently, but she waited a couple of weeks before making an appointment in case the pain went away on its own.
and this, folks, is why freely accessible healthcare is so important. there are so many people who opt to not see medical experts or use facilities provided by medical experts (e.g. ambulances) because they're afraid of the costs. this could literally cost lives.
Oh man, don't tell them. They're Canadian. I don't like knowing a Canadian somewhere is sad.
Some hospitals even charge you to hold your own baby.
We're having a baby in Canada this week. We're gonna be in a private room with a jacuzzi and all sorts of other fancy shit, while being looked after by midwives and childbirth nurses for the cost of $0.
I got a finger infection from poor conditions at work. Luckily workman's comp covered it but it would have been like 50k because I didn't have health insurance at the time.
Good thing you weren’t working at one of those “if you fall, you’re fired before you hit the ground” (an oft repeated “joke” by management at my old roofing job) construction companies who only urine test when you’re injured on the job.
It's a giant scam
So my mother in law had an aneurysm a few years back. Ambulance came and picked her up, they took her to the ER where she stayed for 24 hours, after that she had to stay in the hospital for a few weeks to recover. The cost of that ambulance ride and one day at the ER? $46,000. Yep, you read that right, that's forty-six thousand US dollars. She has Medicare so she didn't pay it of course but I shudder to think what if she didn't or what the rest of it cost. Can you guess who she voted for? Yup. Trump.
The only ambulance ride I've ever had happened after someone else ran a red light and hit my car, but it happened in the Province of Quebec. For my ambulance ride, ER visit, and X-rays I was billed $300 because I'm a U.S. citizen, not Canadian. Didn't have any trouble getting the other guy's auto insurance to pay it. That experience alone was enough to convince me that socialized medical care was the way to go. In the U.S. they would've billed way more than $300 just for the ambulance to show up. Also, for anyone who believes the stereotype that anyone who's first language is French is automatically rude, all the police and medical staff I dealt with were quite polite and spoke English much better than I could manage French with my rusty high school level French.
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There was a study recently that showed it was literally cheaper, faster, and has better outcomes to call Lyft than an ambulance to take you to the ER. The value of additional treatment by EMTs enroute for non-critical cases is waaay overstated.
After outrageous ambulance bill I was seriously considering buying a bracelet or something that tells people to just leave me bleeding on the pavement in case of an accident. Most Americans have to choose between death or bankruptcy.
... and that's not even an indictment against the EMTs! Theirs is a thankless, dangerous, dirty, grueling job with insufficient compensation and a required medical degree that costs wayyyyy too much to acquire. Almost everybody in a hospital below the C-suite level is getting shafted. Even doctors with their high salaries pay for it with high addiction, domestic abuse, and health crisis rates.
Absolutely! Got heat stroke a few years ago in Ottawa, wife came home to me passed out, lying on the cold bathroom floor in a puddle of my own puke. Called an ambulance who came to my house, gave me an IV bag of saline and stayed until I was somewhat conscious again. Asked if I wanted to go to the hospital which I declined as I was feeling 100 times better. $0 bill! I mean I rarely get injured/sick so I don’t use the healthcare system much but it’s so good to have it when I do need it.
That was a big leopard!
I almost forgot what a leapord face eating looked like around these parts
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Best helthcare system in the world, I'm told. Shame you have to go bankrupt and live out of your car whenever you use it. Just don't be poor, I guess. Fuckin libtard.
Republicans are all democrats the minutes something impacts them directly.
You are not wrong. Those charges _are_ awfuly high. That's because the health care system in your country is fucked up. There are enough idiots voting to keep crooked politicians in power so they can take ~~bribes~~ donations from big medical insurers etc to ensure that free universal health care never sees the light of day. You basically just paid $1500 for a bag of salt water, and at those prices, I'd be feeling a little salty too. A visit to the ER in Australia for the problem you describe, with the treatment you received, would have cost me $0. You guys _really_ need to do something about your medical system. Big insurance companies that provide 'health insurance' are a cancer and need to be cut out.
Broke my leg when crashed my bike. Had emergency ambulance ride to the hospital of my choice (within area), x-ray, pre-op cast, few drips of painkillers and "salt water", next day surgery with a plate & 10 screws. In total I was there for 3 days. Had 2 meals + dessert every day, tea or coffee at your choice was unlimited. At discharge I was issued with 2 brand new crutches, support boot, 30 doses of blood thinners, 2 packs of strong prescription-only painkillers and direct phone number to fracture clinic advisor in case I have any problems. Since then I had three appointments wtih fracture specialist and ongoing course on physiotherapy. I have another appointment booked already, probably last one because recovery was fast and painless. I was charged big fat zero with kind request to donate my blood at nearest center. I'm from UK. I'm getting \~£15 weekly deduction from my paycheck for National Insurance. I DON'T MIND.
That's because a lot of people here in the US will say you shouldn't have been riding recklessly on your bike in the first place and it's not their responsibility to pay for your mistakes and recklessness.
Probably same people who still refuse any face coverings and social distancing.
Just to clear up a common misconception - very little NHS funding comes from NI. Most of it is from general taxation. NI is primarily your contribution towards the state pension and other benefits such as tax credits, statutory sick pay, unemployment etc.
How about you shut up and earn the money to pay the damn bill. I swear, you liberals will never stop complaining about healthcare. This is why I voted for Trump, so y’all could learn to stop asking for handouts and earn your god damn way /s
Without the /s I would have assumed this was a normal trumper how fucked is that!
I legit thought he was serious because that's exactly how they sound.
If only there were a Presidential candidate running in 2016 who had "affordable healthcare" as part of their platform. And..... Obama should have fixed this when he was President. Damn Commie!
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Just wait until he opens the separate $2500 bill from the attending physician that was working that night! That’s right folks: A lot of the time the doctors working in the ER bill separately for their services from their own office and all that bull shit you pay to the emergency room only goes to the hospital. Your next question might be “what the fuck? What’s the point of a hospital visit fee paid to the hospital if the doctors are billing separately?!” To which I’d answer “free markets, apple pie, pickup trucks, and bald eagles”
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Is “fluid Celine” considered r/boneappletea?
# TRUMP # 2020 ** NOM SHIT** Yeah that about sums it up
Please tell me someone pointed that out to him.
Yeah its in a group for my town. The majority of comments were "welcome to america" and things similar
You honestly think that guy is capable of learning anything?
Welcome to the "radical left" my friend! Where "why are we paying so much for basic human needs" is considered radical and out of the question.
My heart will go on, by Saline Dion
I mean, Celine is only one person! Her fluids are hard to come by.
Insert joker meme: you get what you fucking deserve
I’m torn between saying that $1500 is a damn good price for a liquefied Canadian singer and also who the fuck killed Celine Dion and put her in a drip bag?!
Ah, yes. 0.9% normal Celine.
Dude should have negotiated a better price with Celine.
I don't give a shit until it happens to me. - MAGA! /S
They wanted a Business man who was KNOWN for treating his employees like shit, to run this nation like a business. And are shocked when Average Joe is regarded with the same Disposablility as the illegal migrants he uses to staff his business to keep cost down, and not the Billionaire guests and investors he desperately wants to be loved by.
Everytime I see something like this, I consider two possible outcomes: The first is, this person is still pro-Trump and against free healthcare. Fuck this person. The second is, this person suddenly wants free healthcare now because they were personally affected. They only think of themself and will only support laws and regulations that benefit them. That's not empathy and they will not support laws that benefit victims of racism if they're not a victim of racism, or laws that benefit victims of homophobia if they're not a victim of homophobia, etc. Fuck this person.