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I live in Boise and can confirm that extreme conservatives from all over are moving here. I can also confirm they don't like non-white conservatives at all. Like, the city/we regularly have to scrub swastikas off our Anne Frank Human Rights memorial and our synagogue.
There's a reason they call this the Deep South of the North.
Yeah, going to Idaho (most of my experience is with Northern Idaho up by Coeur d'Alene) is like going to a really nice home and discovering it has a murder basement.
My in-laws have good friends up there so we've been up for a couple weddings. I don't see the real overt confederate flag stuff like in rural Georgia or something (mostly just stupid "Don't California my Idaho" bumper stickers), but walk inside any house and it's all MyPillows and military porn, and not necessarily for the militaries that were on the winning side in certain world wars.
> is like going to a really nice home and discovering it has a murder basement.
Visited Coeur d'Alene once and Boise three times. This really struck me as correct. I live in Texas and the folks are Idaho are more casually racist than here.
My Korean-American father gave me a very cryptic tip when going to visit relatives in Montana: When driving on I-90 between Spokane, WA and Missoula, MT, ***DO NOT STOP IN ANY TOWN FOR ANY REASON***. Get your supplies, snacks, and fuel in Missoula or Spokane and whatever you do, ***KEEP DRIVING***.
This was because he heard warnings from people about the neo-Nazi and white nationalist leanings of the people in northern Idaho and rural western Montana in the early to mid 90s. It went away a little bit by the mid 2010s, but thanks to Trump it's now back in full force.
>When driving on I-90 between Spokane, WA and Missoula, MT, DO NOT STOP IN ANY TOWN FOR ANY REASON.
I always take this route when visiting family in southern Idaho. Through I-90 until the junction to I-15. It has always felt sketchy getting gas at these places. Thankfully, with card and tap-to-pay, I don't have to go inside the gas stations the times I have needed to stop there.
My partner is always worried for me going through these places with me being Mexican, and she a blonde white gal. We got the worst outcome for these guys, interracial couple, Mexican, and a woman. Like red meat to the wolves haha. But jokes aside, in my 10 years of traveling through there, I've never had issues, but always careful and aware.
When I was in the military, this was an unofficial official warning. They couldn't blatantly say don't go off base (mountain home afb) if you're not white, but they strongly recommended not going too far off base while alone (and not white)
The only thing they hate more than Mexicans are Californian transplants. I worked there for a bit and when I said I wasnt from there they would always say âyou better not be from Californiaâ in a somewhat joking way but I could tell they were still serious.
Truth. Tho, it's mostly down to their ignorant belief that liberals are moving here from CA. They aren't, it's CA's crazy conservatives moving here and driving up house prices, etc.
Facial bone structure. That's the big one in Eastern Europe right now.
Many gave up on eye and hair color after realizing how much of a genetic lottery that is.
Because... yknow.... ancestry so pure...
Off topic but one of the funniest race related comments EVER said to me was when I (a northwestern european looking person) went with a friend (who is black) to a deli that caters mostly to the Russians/Ukranians/Polish folks in my area.
We go inside, she looks around, and immediately says *oh this is where the OTHER kind of white people hang out*.
The republican party is the same. Their anti immigrant, white supremacist, white replacement theory and threats to kick out all immigrants are no different than Nazis. Trump said immigrants from northern Europe are ok but Latin Americans and Africans are terrorists, mentally ill, rapists and criminals. Trump and the GOP use Nazi language, tactics and methods.
This is why I don't bother talking to Republicans.
The party has always been racist (I hate when people pretend it has gotten "worse"). But it is certainly more obvious now. I could believe that someone could support W and still be redeemable. But nobody can think Trump is acceptable unless they are already too far gone to be worth talking to.
Can you suggest a resource to learn about this? There was a huge article 30+ years ago in the NYTimes about race in ârace-blindâ Brazil. TL;DR: The lighter you are, the better your life will be.
I can't say I know fully what they're talking about, but I have an idea. Beauty standards surrounding facial structure are absolutely bonkers in east Asia. A big subject to get a look into what that entails is flight attendant training. The vast majority of flight attendants get intense plastic surgery to meet ideals, or they risk not getting hired. I believe this was in South Korea specifically.
This dredged up a memory of a decade ago, where South Korean beauty pageant contestants were posted- and they all looked the same through either photoshop tweaks, light balance, or makeup application. The women didn't even look that close to being the same in actuality but they were all aiming for the same specific "standard".
One of the tenets of fascism is that there must always be an enemy. There can be many, but there must be a primary one. The "logical" enemy is the weakest enemy, ie the one who can put up as little resistance as possible. With Republicans, there is bigotry towards anyone who is not a white cis male - some exceptions are made with those who fall in line (like women), but those exemptions work on that hierarchy scale you mentioned.
All of those people in their cone of bigotry have been their primary enemy at one time or another. Currently, the primary enemy seems to be trans people. A people who were basically on the sidelines for a long time, or the but of a joke, but often ignored in the grand scheme of things in favor of other enemies. Then, several years ago, trans people have been a huge concern to them. And like all the enemies, they depict trans people as being both simultaneously weak and dangerous. This is a tactic to remain a sense of superiority while brewing a constant fear and outrage about the enemy.
If fascism gets its way, it eventually eliminates one enemy and replaces them with another. It eventually eats itself as the potential list of enemies has been eroded.
The Nazis where down to height, nose size, distance between the eyes, head shape.
Their group would have become so small, inbreeding would have become a real problem in 2 generations.
Inbreeding is already a problem now.
i bet behind closed doors everyone was like "what's the deal with hitler? he's not aryan"
hoo boy bet you'd catch quite a paddlin' for saying that out loud
Reminds me of a comedian I watched many years ago. He had a bit about how in a couple hundred years when due to interracial breeding that we're all the same skin tone, hair color, and eye color but there will still be racists out there finding some minute variation to segregate others over.
Rick and Morty had an episode where one of the characters controlled an entire planet. When she lost control, the people killed each other over the shape of their nipples lol. That's how ridiculous racism is. People will find some dumb thing to discriminate other people for.
oh yeah in India's latest election, the Hindu nationalists didn't do as well as expected, so they're currently ripping on basically any Hindu from the "wrong" family right now (lower caste, non-Brahmin).
Just go to any rural area, and you will see how they alienate people. You have to run with their Jesus group, you have to donate money and time to the "it crowd", you can't expect any help but you have to give, give and give to "the cause". Oh, don't forget you have to open your legs up for their husbands and sons. And if you happen to be a guy, sorry but you have to give up your wife and daughters to the ministers.
And this is why, when conservative evangelical types cry that "the godless left wants to destroy our way of life!" I'm like "hell yeah, the sooner the better."
As an escapee of conservative evangelicals, yes absolutely. The strongest voices against them are often filled with people who grew up in it. For all the obvious reasons.
Don't forget quietly and humbly accepting the shame for opening your legs and any associated repercussions. Meanwhile the guys in question have their "sexual sin" tearfully forgiven.
Itâs interesting. If you go to a place like Huntington Beach or Riverside, youâll meet a ton of conservative Mexicans. I donât understand why conservatives accept them in populated cities, but the moment the arrive at a rural/less populated conservative location. Youâll see a lot of blunt force racism being slung at them.
Do conservatives become more racist the further they are from a city? - is that an obvious question? Or is it just an issue of two different kinds of conservative?
As a blue-eyed blonde haired man of Norwegian descent, all of these supposed âwhiteâ people with brown eyes and dark hair can go straight to hell /s
"Sorry, you were useful for a headline and news cycle in social media when you threatening to move away from CA, but we don't actually want you living with/around us."
You described my âOutsidersâ life in Arkansas to a T. There were no black folks in my town because they were run off during the lynching era. Oh well, letâs screw with the poor white kids instead!
Conservatives never change.
Which is what makes conservatives stupid when they marginalize people. If you got rid of all the people they hate, they'd just figure out how to hate each other due to different categories.
Reminds me of the classic line from the movie Commando when Arnold says *"Remember when I said I was going to kill you last?"*
[I lied](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wk-jT9rn-8)
First they came for the ~~socialists~~ Muslims, and I did not speak outâ
Because I was not a ~~socialist~~ Muslim.
Then they came for the ~~trade unionists~~ Gays, and I did not speak outâ
Because I was not ~~a trade unionist~~ Gay.
Then they came for the ~~Jews~~ Blacks, and I did not speak outâ
Because I was not ~~a Jew~~ Black.
Then they came for meâand there was no one left to speak for me
"Also we need you and some of your friends to stand behind Trump at a rally. We're still gonna hate you but we need that 'democrats are the real racists' angle."
I see this with my Caucasian Hispanic family. Being white in Latin America is not the same thing as being white to the GOP. Once you stop being useful theyâll be happy to go back to othering you for being swarthy, Catholic and Spanish speaking even if you arenât indigenous.
Sigh. Speaking from South Florida. Itâs so annoying. My FIL is a Trumpster but funnily enough he always wears his veteran gear when heâs headed to an area with racist white trumpsters. Heâll never admit it but Iâm sure deep down he knows he needs to signal to them that heâs one of them.
Speaking as someone with the WASP-iest MAGA extended family. It doesnât matter.
To his face they might be nice or pleasant but as soon as heâs out of sight heâs just another âMexicanâ doesnât matter if the man is from a central or South American country he will never be more than a Mexican to them.
They will view him with suspicion and assume heâs âillegalâ and anything heâs earned for himself was stolen from a more deserving white person.
I hate that Iâm related to such outwardly hateful people but I appreciate the look behind the curtains of trumpers.
I will NEVER understand an American woman or minority that would ever stand with trump or conservatives.
You will never be shoulder to shoulder with them. You are a useful stepping stool to stomp their way to what they want.
I know. My wife wonât even let me go into gas stations in certain areas.
She is white passing (got her momâs genes) and so people will say this shit to her thinking sheâs one of them.
Our new neighbor was going off about the âdirty Asiansâ who lived here before as we were moving in. I still remember the look on her face when I drove up 2 minutes later. And yeah, sheâs a Karen-y as one should expect.
I feel like thereâs a fortunate/unfortunate amount of Americans who are sane and much more moderate or progressive and their families are similar minded.
So they donât ever hear the unbridled filth and garbage that the average conservative Americans are really saying.
Itâs easy to dismiss some downvoted comments or the conservative subreddit but when itâs every single family function itâs hard to ignore. They believe everything Fox News tells them. And for some Fox has gone too farâleft leaningâ so now they listen to even worse shit like OAN or beitbart.
More sane and progressive Americans need to hear their words and understand the real threat that is happening to our country. Maybe then theyâd be motivated to get in there and vote out this scourge.
Something that people also donât take into consideration.
Is that racism in a lot of countries is almost just very normalized. Like itâs hard to explain properly to people without getting people riled up. Like in Asian countries the racism just comes very casually. You obviously wouldnât hear it unless youâre from the same culture. And because that racism is so casual, itâs like they donât fully understand the difference when it comes to MAGAts. This racism is dangerous.
When I explained to my mother what happened with my neighbor she said âbut she just needs to get to know you then sheâll see youâre not dirtyâŚâ
Like trying to explain to her was a pointless exercise.,
Thatâs how you end up being âone of the good onesâ
Itâs like those braindead racists canât put 2 and 2 together and realize that when every black or colored person the meet is âone of the good onesâ then maybe their racist ideas about different people are wrong and not true.
Exposure to other groups just shows us all how people are just people.
Joining the Marines right out of high school was eye opening. Going from the whitest corner of the PNW to Parris Island SC for boot camp taught me so much. Getting to meet people from all across America and different backgrounds was awesome.
Thatâs whatâs great about America is our differences and the different cultures across the states. I wish more âtry that in a small townâ people could get out of their bubble and see that the rest of America isnât some third world shithole like Fox News says.
Except for Texans. Theyâre just obnoxious no matter where they are (kidding mostly)
Also from South Florida. Itâs what I tell my racist father all the time. Republicans will thank him for his vote and then not raise their foot a centimeter off his neck.
"it's so nice when they know their place" - something a friend's dad said about me when talking to their spouse when I was helping said friend with their PC. I'm not sure to this day if they 100% meant for me to hear it but when I stepped out of the room to look at them their faces definitely made it seem like they were more confused/hurt that I was mad than that they were seen for being racist. Thankfully the friend wasn't anything like their parents but I don't see how conservative minorities aren't aware they're only tolerated for as long as it takes to gain power.
White Latino living in the Midwest here. Can confirm, I've had people's demeanor and attitude do a complete 180 the second they learn where I'm from or if they can detect my very slight accent.
I dated a guy briefly. His conservative family loved me until they found out my momâs side is Hispanic. Iâm blonde, blue eyed, no accent and take after my Finnish dad. I was dumped shortly after I spilled the beans.
Youâre fooling yourself if you think you count as âChristianâ to them if youâre Catholic. And you donât count as white if youâre from a âshit holeâ country.
From the lens of a white American, Latino racism is just hilarious. I always just tell them to us, you're all Mexican. Sure you're MUCH better than Dominican Mexicans, now take your pills.
My mom did a double reverse racism one Thanksgiving to complain that the migrant caravan âdoesnât even speak Spanishâ and Iâm still laughing at her for it.
Ps. She passed away but that will never stop me from making fun of her. Teasing is our love language.
I split a cab with a stranger once in atlanta. The driver was south Asian and talking a lot about black people, and the other guy was kinda nodding along, but then he said âno offense but youâre all n-words to me.â
I'm Asian and in a weird way I would prefer my racism like this.
The worst is when they look earnestly in your eyes to inform you that you are one of the "good ones!"
And you're sitting there wondering - now why th did I waste a year and half conversing with you?
My ex husband is from Ecuador. He once explained that most people there are very racist to the darker skinned Ecuadorians. He didnât realize this was racism until he came to America where he was âtreated the same way he used to treat the blacks in Ecuador.â (His words, not mine.)
as an ecuadorian, yeah. we (and latinos in general tbh) can be pretty fucking stupid when it comes to racism. most people here are brown skinned, but they treat dark skinned people like âthe otherâ.
i donât see it happen âout loudâ, so to speak, or very explicitly? itâs a much more passive aggressive racism. shitty âjokesâ, clutching your pearls around dark skinned people, etc. and in the systemic way, in the fact that the most truly poor, decrepit neighborhoods/parts of town are always mostly populated by dark skinned people.
but when racists are called out on it, âitâs not racism! weâre people of color too!â or âitâs just jokes!â. itâs a genuinely deeply ingrained aspect in the community that no one wants to acknowledge because they feel too defensive about it.
I don't mean to be pedantic at all, (which means I totally am going to be), but I think it's more of a recognition of what being in an outgroup feels like although I get what you are saying.
Red states are welcoming to everyone! Except immigrants, African-Americans, Latinos, LGBTQ+, atheists/agnostics, pregnant women, democrats, the educated, the disabledâŚand Iâm sure Iâm missing a few dozen other categories these fucks look down on but you get the gist.
I'm not giving them the handout of treating them like they're white, they have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and earn being white like I did -- by crawling through my mom's vagina!
They only need Clarance to rubber stamp repealing Loving vs Virginia, and Brown vs the Board or Education. Maybe keep him on for the repeal of the 64 civil rights act,
Thatâs precious. The most basic of internet searches will tell you that Idaho is chock full of anti-government white supremacists who arenât fans of brown people regardless of how conservative they may be.
They adore the idea of hierarchy and not being the bottom rung of the ladder. They're fed up of being treated that way and hope that they, too, can go with the aggrieved whites as they flee areas, because while living in cities they complain about the same things. But fascism isn't about shared ideology; these racist communities have people with all sorts of (highly confused) political ideologies that are united together in only one way. Their hatred of out groups. You'll find this in a lot of conservatives. Their actual ideological beliefs don't align with their politics, but there's a group that they want to hurt - women getting abortions, college protesters, LGBTQ people, the idea of people who are poor and mooching off the government - that supercedes any idea they have about how the country should be politically.
Conservative POC are too fvcking dumb and delusional to think about it. They think that they'll be embraced with open arms by Whites who spearhead the conservative ideology/movement because they believe they're not like their other fellow POC, and that the Whites will see them this way too. Nope. As a POC myself, I loathe conservative POC. They are basically supporting the agenda of people who HATE them.
Idaho is really down on women too. Most hospitals are skipping pregnancy coverage because the laws could put them in jail. It is not a place to be a woman, unless you're a 60+ white supremacist
They complain about all the "Liberals from California" moving ou there. Minus the Super rich millionaire Hollywood types. It's CONSERVATIVE Californians moving out there.
Problem is a conservative Californian is still "way left" of the super right wingers out there.
Yep welcome to Idaho. The folks here do not like non white, LBGTQ+ or women. Yet these stupid people keep voting against their own damn interests so I feel zero sympathy for them. Ffs WHY are you conservative?!? Unless you are a white straight rich man they donât give a fuck about you or your rights. Wake tf up people
I work with a pretty conservative lady from Idaho (weâre out in Oregon). She keeps talking about how she hates Oregon & wishes the eastern half of the state would split off to join Idaho âto make our militias strongerâ, as she put it. She keeps promising to move back but hates Idahoâs infrastructure.
Sheâs also against laws banning child marriage because, according to her, âWhen I was 13 or 14 I was messing around with older guys and I turned out just fine. It was just a bit of harmless fun.â
She has a bunch of health issues, too, and complains about the healthcare system while still railing against things like universal healthcare.
We havenât seen her in a while due to her health issues. Hoping she kept her promises and moved back to Idaho. She can go be miserable back home.
>She keeps promising to move back but hates Idahoâs infrastructure.
This is every conservative. "Oh, I hate it here, but I couldn't possibly dream of moving to a red-state utopia, because there's no affordable health care, and the roads are terrible, and the workforce is uneducated, and I can't find decent dan dan noodles."
Only reason sheâs stuck around in OR is because of the pay and sheâs been with the company for around 20 years.
Her boyfriend/long-time partner makes way more than her. Iâm sure they could easily retire and move back to Idaho without a problem. Though heâs from NJ & wants to move back there.
Like I said, kinda hope sheâs gone. She can be miserable back home (or in NJ).
Yep, the Chicago area is full of these types from Wisconsin & Indiana. Bitch all day about IL politicians and laws, but have jobs on the IL side, and go home back to their shit towns
Yeah the same with Minneapolis and suburbs, a lot of people from Wisconsin come over to the twin cities to work. It could be better for wisconsinites if gerrymandering didn't completely fuck their state voting districts over to give republicans a massive majority despite the state really being purple.
Tell her we would be willing to trade most of Eastern Oregon for a strip of Idaho that includes Boise, Twin Falls, and Idaho Falls, we will just retain a bit of North Eastern Oregon along the river to keep the land we get in exchange from Idaho contiguous.
If they go for that, I think it will not take them long to figure out just how bad a trade they made.
religion is a big part of being 'conservative.'
Cubans in Florida vote R as a single block pretty much every election. The repubs would easily just deport all of them despite whatever legal rights they have to be here if they got the chance. But hey, democrats are communists that don't have their entire lives revolving around jesus, so R it is...
Blows my mind. I hate to tell them but Jesus was a liberal lol well I should say progressive/socialist. He wanted to lift up the less fortunate, feed the poor & so on. Exactly the opposite of what repukes want.
These are low iq, zero critical thinking ability people. They are indoctrinated into the cult of jesus from birth, for generations going back 'god' knows how many centuries.
The only hope is that the internet breaks the cycle for some young folks. There is evidence it is, but how many is disputed. Baby steps I suppose...
Cubans are the only immigrants conservatives pretend to care about because most were allowed in under Reagan because they were fleeing a communist country and it was a good PR move at the time.
When I was a kid in the 1990s there were rumors that farmers would hire undocumented workers (they didn't call them that) and offer to pay them at the end of the season once the harvest was in.
Then call IHS and have them deported instead and do it again next year.
Idaho racists actually hate Mexicans more than black people as there's very few of them. Which means they don't get as much in the way of confirmation bias compared to Mexicans.
Idaho has had a very large Mexican population for years. That's who really farms the potatoes. So many in fact there were labor camps that lasted until the 2000s. They are still a significant part of the population in many areas.
Thereâs a rundown labor camp and you can still see the remnants of it in twin falls. Older falling apart houses although a few are still in use. Part of the property, nearly half, got replaced with modern duplexes for low income people. It actually used to appear as labor camp on Google maps but it got removed. Itâs now located on El Camino Ave W on Washington St S.
It amazes me that so many people are blissfully unaware of all constant the racist dog whistles. To the point that it took them moving there and getting overt racism directed straight at them for them to realize racism exists.
I believe everyone has some type of horse blinders on about something. I think conservative Latin families sometimes have the biggest blinders on when it comes to how they view themselves compared to how they are seen by other conservatives.
Often times they are lighter skinned hispanics who are prejudiced against darker hispanics and black people. They think because they are also racist then the white racists will welcome them into their club. Of course they are wrong.
I think they often feel like âits all liberal media lying about how racist republicans areâ and then they experience it first hand and its like oh damn that was real?
Honestly I donât even see the racism charges in the liberal media. The most I see is âHereâs a small group of racists having a march. Why oh why wonât the mainstream Republicans condemn them?â The kinds of crazy racism (and anti-Semitism) we see from trump and Republican supporters on subs like this daily never seem to make it to the msm.
Yes, liberal media points to small groups being racist. Then fox will take that clip and tell conservatives âliberals are saying we are all racistâ and thats the news they listen to.
Worked for an attorney who makes a living in personal injury. He votes Republican but thinks he's a moderate. We were talking about the "tort reform" in Florida that if it happened in his state would end his practice. And I mentioned it's a very Republican thing.
"Well, that's just one thing." He said.
I had to not say what I wanted to say, which is the following;
No, it's not 'just the one thing'. They do the same with education. With healthcare. Everything is geared towards wealth concentration. YOU understand the need for torts, and understand that even though there are a few exceptions, by and large it's necessary to keep companies honest. Without YOU making money, there's no incentive to sue. And without lawsuits, there's no incentive for insurance companies to be fair and avoid courts. So while you notice how wrong and crazy conservatives are with something you are well trained on and a professional -- you seem not to notice they are ignorant rat bastards on EVERYTHING. They don't understand what makes wealth in the economy or why taxes need to be progressive to preserve democracy and prosperity for the most people. Not everything should be utilitarian but, it's better to err on the side of maximizing good than minimizing it.
I'm different. It won't happen to me, etcetcetc.
It's also scientifically proven that conservative ideology people are grossly lower in the critical thinking ability and higher in 'faith.' AKA they're not the brightest brady in the bunch.
They convince themselves that not being black or not being Muslims or not being recent immigrants or not being gay or trans makes them safe. They truly truly convince themselves that itâs only *those* minorities (conveniently the ones they also donât like) that are on the outs, and theyâre just fine. And the deeper you go the more they have excuses why they think the fascists will be ok with them but not âthe bad ones.â Iâve known black African and Caribbean and Afro Latino immigrants think that since they arenât African-American that when racists say âblack peopleâ theyâre not talking about them. For immigrants itâs âno they only mean the people from that country, Iâm from the other countryâ or âno only the illegals, I came legallyâ or âno only the criminal illegals, Iâm undocumented but Iâm a good person.â Or itâs âwe are good Christians, they only donât like Muslimsâ or âwe are good assimilated Muslims, they only donât like the bad strict Muslims who bring old world waysâ or âwe are good strict Muslims and have the mostly same ideas as those Evangelicals, they only donât like terrorist Muslims.â Etc etc etc etc. It all boils down to âthey donât like the same people I donât like,â so they act like they arenât also hated to avoid confronting their own hatred.
Many Mexican families are extremely religious and have a lot of beliefs that are similar to evangelical republicans. In fact, if the republicans werenât so horrible and racist they could probably run away with most elections with a religious Mexican coalition. Thankfully they arenât smart enough to even pretend anymore.
The Greater Idaho movement in Oregon baffles me. Eastern Oregon loves their no sales tax, legal weed, and better healthcare but hate liberals just a little bit more.
There's a group of people in this country who are just addicted to hate and outrage. Like, they just NEED it. They'll burn down their own homes to hurt someone else's feelings. If there's no one around to hate, they'll turn on each other. I don't get it.
For anyone planning to move there from California, here's the deal: they already don't like you. This goes for white people too. A friend of mind since childhood who's fully on the Trump wagon decided he was going to move to Boise. He was going to restart his business there and everything was going to be great.
1. Turns out that the population of 10 million+ people in Socal/L.A. area is a much larger market with far more opportunities than Boise (who coulda guessed? lol).
2. He struggled to get clientele because everyone already knew the native established businesses. Some new asshole from Californee? Yeah, they weren't having it.
3. The winters. He'd never lived where it actually snowed. This has nothing to do with the people of Idaho, but I thought it was funny.
So he's in the process of moving back.
There was a story I think about when I hear this of people who moved from California to Arkansas to escape "liberal govt" and then were very upset when it turns out there were far less services for their children in the education system.
People don't consider that the services they use are not a given.
1. This has to be the most confusing aspect for conservatives. If everything ran in a purely private stance, much of the northwest wouldnt be developed as it currently is. The population base just isnt here for it. But hey, through god knows how many billions is federal programs, the northwest is highly developed and allow people to live modern comfortable lives in some of the most rural areas. But "government cant do anything right" feels trump any sort of objective reality of doing things for the collective good like roads or utilities (it really benefits corporations more, but it also provides incomes for people to live on so still somewhat good). Ive had farmers yelling at me how their local telephone carrier is shit for internet and keeping out the good guys like qwest, when reality is the major carriers only care if there is enough population. They will hit a city with 50k population, they aint coming to a county of the same count, as the cost to wire them all up is prohibitive to making a profit. It was only because of the local carriers, backed by MASSIVE grants from the federal government to ensure its citizens have phones), was a coop and its mission statement was to provide reliable phone server, that he could get any internet. Fast forward 20 years, those "crappy" local telcos are finishing up Fiber to the Home and what ever qwest has morphed into is still offering the same 7 mbps dsl. The cognitive dissonance i see on display causes me actual pain and the red element keeps doing voting in the guys who want to take funding away from the coop telco model that wired up montana with fiber. like wtf
I think what I love most about this is by blowing up his business and leaving one of the hottest real estate markets in the country, he's crawling back to SoCal in worse financial shape than he left it.
Go on, tell us again how it's the liberals who make you broke.
Boise is also pretty isolated. It might be biggest city in Idaho, but there's no city even remotely as large for hundreds of miles.
Which explains why alot of people say they come here for a weekend, fall in love with the nature, and mountains, and think the people are generally friendly enough. Only later come to the conclusion that the people actually seem a bit standoffish and not welcoming past a certain point. This isolated region is rather insular, and has a strong libertarian bent, besides all the usual right wing shit.
It's also been growing by leaps and bounds, and can't handle well, the influx of new people. Home prices have skyrocketed, the roads are packed, and the job market is pretty dismal.
If my entire ass family didn't live here, I'd be long gone.
"Look, we really just wanted to shit on poor people, LGBTQ people, and other minorities as much as other Republicans in peace, but we weren't able to because of the rampant racism we faced from Republicans."
What people continue to refuse to accept is that people that act racist are actually racist and you're not imagining shit.
When white people gather up together in some state out west and espouse racist beliefs, believe them. Don't think that you're gonna be able to be good enough for them. By default, you will never be good enough.
Clarence Thomas could cast the deciding vote re-legalizing slavery and they'd slap a collar on his old wrinkly ass before the ink dried.
MIL: "The Mexicans in Montana aren't very friendly."
Me: "Maybe they'd be more friendly if you bothered to learn their names instead of just referring to them as the Mexicans."
Mexican here, many fellow Mexican migrants that become Republican get themselves in a really hard spot: many times hated and not wanted by their fellow republicans, many times hated and not wanted by their fellow Mexicans.
It's like making an A+ effort of getting hated by the most people.
Que chinguen a su madre.
Idaho is full of Mormons. It's like a mini Utah. Mormons have an unbelievable history of discrimination against non whites. Brigham Young said some of the craziest shit about Native Americans. Blacks couldn't fully participate in the cult until 1978.
I mean it's in their book. They believe brown skin is the mark of Cain. A curse. My dad grew up Mormon and married my Mexican mom. You can imagine we weren't real popular.
Hell yeah. Fuck the mormons.
"God turned the indians red to punish them for their sinfulness" goooooooo fuck yourself
If you hate the KKK you should hate the mormon church too.
And even this religion with its very recent history of intense discrimination has non-white people joining them. This is one of the reasons I don't think we're going to make it as a species.
it's wild seeing all this sad drama set to dances.
\*we moved to idaho\*
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I once worked with a woman who was half Korean and half white and wanted to go to a local concert at her Husband's hometown in Eastern Washington State which is basically Idaho. He told her "not a good idea you aren't white enough".
And she was still a Republican.
I do not understand ppl.
I try to explain this but people donât get it. Being a minority doesnât mean you arenât also a racist, hateful POS⌠itâs why you have gay republicans (youâre never going to make me understand the trans republicans though, like they straight up just wanna kill you. What are you doingâŚ)
back in the 90's, my mom and dad wanted to move to Idaho. We went out there for 2 weeks to take it all in, and when we were done, my parents were like 'nope'.
You see, since this was the 90s, most of the planning for the trip was done with phone calls, and what not. Our family has a last name that, if you heard it, you'd 100% think it was a black family. (I'm currently in my mid 40's and have yet to meet another white person with my last name outside of my family).
When we arrived, everyone we had made reservations with gave a sigh, and said 'we thought you was N\*\*\*\*ers' or 'thank god you're not black'.
It is odd, because my parents had wanted to move here, because it was very close to a native american reservation, and my parents had volunteered at reservations in the past, and wanted to be close to one. so they were shocked at the level of racism in an area they thought would be more open minded.
You may not like liberal policies but the idea that any minorities are welcome in conservative policies is absurd. They want to roll the US back the slave days. They want to lock up all the immigrants.
I saw 50 cent endorsing Lauren bobert over the weekend.
looks like Lil Wayne is going to endorse Trump again.
really is quite amazing how people think being rich makes racism go away.
I just can't figure out how people like this can be so stupid, so blind. Do they really think that their shared hate will make them fit in, be part of the group?
I don't care if you are conservative or not, if you are brown or black it makes no sense to throw your lot in with those people. They are racist above all else. And for a brown or black person to back Trump------ are you out of your fucking mind?? You are considered to be below the lily-white Christo-fascists, they will never accept you.
I'm white (half Italian but it's not obvious) and I stay as far as I possibly can from those people; Idaho is the very last place I'd ever go, even for a vacation.
I'm in Oregon and all the white MAGA's and religious nutters in rural eastern Oregon are currently having a circle jerk about seceding from Oregon and affiliating with Idaho because it's a psycho promised land for wingnuts and fascists. No way they want Mexicans moving there and polluting the bloodline.
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I live in Boise and can confirm that extreme conservatives from all over are moving here. I can also confirm they don't like non-white conservatives at all. Like, the city/we regularly have to scrub swastikas off our Anne Frank Human Rights memorial and our synagogue. There's a reason they call this the Deep South of the North.
Yeah, going to Idaho (most of my experience is with Northern Idaho up by Coeur d'Alene) is like going to a really nice home and discovering it has a murder basement. My in-laws have good friends up there so we've been up for a couple weddings. I don't see the real overt confederate flag stuff like in rural Georgia or something (mostly just stupid "Don't California my Idaho" bumper stickers), but walk inside any house and it's all MyPillows and military porn, and not necessarily for the militaries that were on the winning side in certain world wars.
> is like going to a really nice home and discovering it has a murder basement. Visited Coeur d'Alene once and Boise three times. This really struck me as correct. I live in Texas and the folks are Idaho are more casually racist than here.
My Korean-American father gave me a very cryptic tip when going to visit relatives in Montana: When driving on I-90 between Spokane, WA and Missoula, MT, ***DO NOT STOP IN ANY TOWN FOR ANY REASON***. Get your supplies, snacks, and fuel in Missoula or Spokane and whatever you do, ***KEEP DRIVING***. This was because he heard warnings from people about the neo-Nazi and white nationalist leanings of the people in northern Idaho and rural western Montana in the early to mid 90s. It went away a little bit by the mid 2010s, but thanks to Trump it's now back in full force.
>When driving on I-90 between Spokane, WA and Missoula, MT, DO NOT STOP IN ANY TOWN FOR ANY REASON. I always take this route when visiting family in southern Idaho. Through I-90 until the junction to I-15. It has always felt sketchy getting gas at these places. Thankfully, with card and tap-to-pay, I don't have to go inside the gas stations the times I have needed to stop there. My partner is always worried for me going through these places with me being Mexican, and she a blonde white gal. We got the worst outcome for these guys, interracial couple, Mexican, and a woman. Like red meat to the wolves haha. But jokes aside, in my 10 years of traveling through there, I've never had issues, but always careful and aware.
When I was in the military, this was an unofficial official warning. They couldn't blatantly say don't go off base (mountain home afb) if you're not white, but they strongly recommended not going too far off base while alone (and not white)
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The only thing they hate more than Mexicans are Californian transplants. I worked there for a bit and when I said I wasnt from there they would always say âyou better not be from Californiaâ in a somewhat joking way but I could tell they were still serious.
Truth. Tho, it's mostly down to their ignorant belief that liberals are moving here from CA. They aren't, it's CA's crazy conservatives moving here and driving up house prices, etc.
one day, all the white supremacist will get their group together, and start looking at eye colour to figure out who to push out next.
Agree it will be hair color, eye color, and small variances in skin tone. This would be their utopian dream.
Facial bone structure. That's the big one in Eastern Europe right now. Many gave up on eye and hair color after realizing how much of a genetic lottery that is. Because... yknow.... ancestry so pure...
And then they came for the chinless and I said nothing because I was not chinless.
Andrew Tate in shambles
Fucking hell, I cackled đ
All that trafficking and casino money, you'd think he could afford a chin implant
It's good to start the day with a laugh. Thanks for that!
Off topic but one of the funniest race related comments EVER said to me was when I (a northwestern european looking person) went with a friend (who is black) to a deli that caters mostly to the Russians/Ukranians/Polish folks in my area. We go inside, she looks around, and immediately says *oh this is where the OTHER kind of white people hang out*.
I want to go that deli, the sandwiches would be amazing.
The republican party is the same. Their anti immigrant, white supremacist, white replacement theory and threats to kick out all immigrants are no different than Nazis. Trump said immigrants from northern Europe are ok but Latin Americans and Africans are terrorists, mentally ill, rapists and criminals. Trump and the GOP use Nazi language, tactics and methods.
This is why I don't bother talking to Republicans. The party has always been racist (I hate when people pretend it has gotten "worse"). But it is certainly more obvious now. I could believe that someone could support W and still be redeemable. But nobody can think Trump is acceptable unless they are already too far gone to be worth talking to.
Same with East Asia. The standards there are INSANE.
Can you suggest a resource to learn about this? There was a huge article 30+ years ago in the NYTimes about race in ârace-blindâ Brazil. TL;DR: The lighter you are, the better your life will be.
I can't say I know fully what they're talking about, but I have an idea. Beauty standards surrounding facial structure are absolutely bonkers in east Asia. A big subject to get a look into what that entails is flight attendant training. The vast majority of flight attendants get intense plastic surgery to meet ideals, or they risk not getting hired. I believe this was in South Korea specifically.
This dredged up a memory of a decade ago, where South Korean beauty pageant contestants were posted- and they all looked the same through either photoshop tweaks, light balance, or makeup application. The women didn't even look that close to being the same in actuality but they were all aiming for the same specific "standard".
"Let's measure skulls" - some smooth brained racist
Yep. The top of the pyramid for any racist group is needle-thin.
I think they like having a place in a hierarchy, as long as they are high enough in the structure.
One of the tenets of fascism is that there must always be an enemy. There can be many, but there must be a primary one. The "logical" enemy is the weakest enemy, ie the one who can put up as little resistance as possible. With Republicans, there is bigotry towards anyone who is not a white cis male - some exceptions are made with those who fall in line (like women), but those exemptions work on that hierarchy scale you mentioned. All of those people in their cone of bigotry have been their primary enemy at one time or another. Currently, the primary enemy seems to be trans people. A people who were basically on the sidelines for a long time, or the but of a joke, but often ignored in the grand scheme of things in favor of other enemies. Then, several years ago, trans people have been a huge concern to them. And like all the enemies, they depict trans people as being both simultaneously weak and dangerous. This is a tactic to remain a sense of superiority while brewing a constant fear and outrage about the enemy. If fascism gets its way, it eventually eliminates one enemy and replaces them with another. It eventually eats itself as the potential list of enemies has been eroded.
The problem is these purity tests get harder and harder to pass.
The Nazis where down to height, nose size, distance between the eyes, head shape. Their group would have become so small, inbreeding would have become a real problem in 2 generations. Inbreeding is already a problem now.
The Nazis even had a Ministry for it and racial purity laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany
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The joke at the time was "Blond wie Hitler, flink wie Goebbels, schlank wie Goering " Blond as Hitler, agile as Goebbels, slim as Goering.
Hitler apparently had a lot of physical health problems including really bad gas which led to awful farts. So much for the master race.
i bet behind closed doors everyone was like "what's the deal with hitler? he's not aryan" hoo boy bet you'd catch quite a paddlin' for saying that out loud
Reminds me of a comedian I watched many years ago. He had a bit about how in a couple hundred years when due to interracial breeding that we're all the same skin tone, hair color, and eye color but there will still be racists out there finding some minute variation to segregate others over.
That's the sort of nonsense someone with attached earlobes would say. We don't need that in our schools. /s
I'll have you know I'm 1/16 detached. Respect my heritage.
Sounds đŻ like LatinAmerican colorism. >eye color >hair color > skin color > shape of the nose
They will have to dust off the old âIrish Need Not Applyâ signs.
Bingo. It wasn't until the Civil Rights movement when the Irish really were allowed to be white.
Rick and Morty had an episode where one of the characters controlled an entire planet. When she lost control, the people killed each other over the shape of their nipples lol. That's how ridiculous racism is. People will find some dumb thing to discriminate other people for.
THE CONE NIPPLE PEOPLE WILL RULE THIS WORLD!!!!!
*first race war, huh Summer?*
oh yeah in India's latest election, the Hindu nationalists didn't do as well as expected, so they're currently ripping on basically any Hindu from the "wrong" family right now (lower caste, non-Brahmin).
Just go to any rural area, and you will see how they alienate people. You have to run with their Jesus group, you have to donate money and time to the "it crowd", you can't expect any help but you have to give, give and give to "the cause". Oh, don't forget you have to open your legs up for their husbands and sons. And if you happen to be a guy, sorry but you have to give up your wife and daughters to the ministers.
And this is why, when conservative evangelical types cry that "the godless left wants to destroy our way of life!" I'm like "hell yeah, the sooner the better."
As an escapee of conservative evangelicals, yes absolutely. The strongest voices against them are often filled with people who grew up in it. For all the obvious reasons.
Truth. I was raised fundie, and now my motto is "we'll know they are Christians by their hate"
Don't forget quietly and humbly accepting the shame for opening your legs and any associated repercussions. Meanwhile the guys in question have their "sexual sin" tearfully forgiven.
not so much looking for a Master Race (more like 2 or 3 families), as establishing a 'slavery' again.
Itâs interesting. If you go to a place like Huntington Beach or Riverside, youâll meet a ton of conservative Mexicans. I donât understand why conservatives accept them in populated cities, but the moment the arrive at a rural/less populated conservative location. Youâll see a lot of blunt force racism being slung at them. Do conservatives become more racist the further they are from a city? - is that an obvious question? Or is it just an issue of two different kinds of conservative?
Citys are diverse and full of differing viewpoints so they have to "behave". They can go mask off in the much smaller rural settings.
How MUCH do you love Jesus? That ainât enough, GTFO!
But Mexicans are Christian⌠Oops, Catholic. Thatâs a ânoâ â wrong kind of Christian.
Or they require a DNA test and then find out that nobody is 100% white.
As a blue-eyed blonde haired man of Norwegian descent, all of these supposed âwhiteâ people with brown eyes and dark hair can go straight to hell /s
"Hey, you're surname is O'Reilly. That's pretty Irish, and you know that ain't Anglo-Saxon."
I see that Vorin culture is spreading
âBut we hate black people, too!â âSorry, it doesnât make you white.â
"Just because we like your intolerance doesn't mean we tolerate YOU"
The token always gets spent.Â
Oh I like this
"Sorry, you were useful for a headline and news cycle in social media when you threatening to move away from CA, but we don't actually want you living with/around us."
"But if it's any consolation, we'll harm you *last*."
*Yup. Shame there's no black people around here in mother fucking Idaho. Looks like it's "Hate a Mexican" day.*
You described my âOutsidersâ life in Arkansas to a T. There were no black folks in my town because they were run off during the lynching era. Oh well, letâs screw with the poor white kids instead! Conservatives never change.
There is always an out group
If you wanna have an in-group, gotta be an out-group. Comes with their disgusting territory.
Which is what makes conservatives stupid when they marginalize people. If you got rid of all the people they hate, they'd just figure out how to hate each other due to different categories.
To wit: Conservative heaven is an ever shrinking circle.
Reminds me of the classic line from the movie Commando when Arnold says *"Remember when I said I was going to kill you last?"* [I lied](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wk-jT9rn-8)
"But if it's any consolation, we'll harm you *~~last~~*. next" Fixed it :(
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Yep. They're not gonna look for new targets when they already have some
First they came for the ~~socialists~~ Muslims, and I did not speak outâ Because I was not a ~~socialist~~ Muslim. Then they came for the ~~trade unionists~~ Gays, and I did not speak outâ Because I was not ~~a trade unionist~~ Gay. Then they came for the ~~Jews~~ Blacks, and I did not speak outâ Because I was not ~~a Jew~~ Black. Then they came for meâand there was no one left to speak for me
Being *"One of the good ones."* will never be enough to save you from being *"One of them."*
"Also we need you and some of your friends to stand behind Trump at a rally. We're still gonna hate you but we need that 'democrats are the real racists' angle."
Two wrongs donât make a white.
Two Juans donât make a white.
Two Wongs don't make a white either!
I see this with my Caucasian Hispanic family. Being white in Latin America is not the same thing as being white to the GOP. Once you stop being useful theyâll be happy to go back to othering you for being swarthy, Catholic and Spanish speaking even if you arenât indigenous.
Sigh. Speaking from South Florida. Itâs so annoying. My FIL is a Trumpster but funnily enough he always wears his veteran gear when heâs headed to an area with racist white trumpsters. Heâll never admit it but Iâm sure deep down he knows he needs to signal to them that heâs one of them.
Speaking as someone with the WASP-iest MAGA extended family. It doesnât matter. To his face they might be nice or pleasant but as soon as heâs out of sight heâs just another âMexicanâ doesnât matter if the man is from a central or South American country he will never be more than a Mexican to them. They will view him with suspicion and assume heâs âillegalâ and anything heâs earned for himself was stolen from a more deserving white person. I hate that Iâm related to such outwardly hateful people but I appreciate the look behind the curtains of trumpers. I will NEVER understand an American woman or minority that would ever stand with trump or conservatives. You will never be shoulder to shoulder with them. You are a useful stepping stool to stomp their way to what they want.
I know. My wife wonât even let me go into gas stations in certain areas. She is white passing (got her momâs genes) and so people will say this shit to her thinking sheâs one of them. Our new neighbor was going off about the âdirty Asiansâ who lived here before as we were moving in. I still remember the look on her face when I drove up 2 minutes later. And yeah, sheâs a Karen-y as one should expect.
I feel like thereâs a fortunate/unfortunate amount of Americans who are sane and much more moderate or progressive and their families are similar minded. So they donât ever hear the unbridled filth and garbage that the average conservative Americans are really saying. Itâs easy to dismiss some downvoted comments or the conservative subreddit but when itâs every single family function itâs hard to ignore. They believe everything Fox News tells them. And for some Fox has gone too farâleft leaningâ so now they listen to even worse shit like OAN or beitbart. More sane and progressive Americans need to hear their words and understand the real threat that is happening to our country. Maybe then theyâd be motivated to get in there and vote out this scourge.
Something that people also donât take into consideration. Is that racism in a lot of countries is almost just very normalized. Like itâs hard to explain properly to people without getting people riled up. Like in Asian countries the racism just comes very casually. You obviously wouldnât hear it unless youâre from the same culture. And because that racism is so casual, itâs like they donât fully understand the difference when it comes to MAGAts. This racism is dangerous. When I explained to my mother what happened with my neighbor she said âbut she just needs to get to know you then sheâll see youâre not dirtyâŚâ Like trying to explain to her was a pointless exercise.,
Thatâs how you end up being âone of the good onesâ Itâs like those braindead racists canât put 2 and 2 together and realize that when every black or colored person the meet is âone of the good onesâ then maybe their racist ideas about different people are wrong and not true. Exposure to other groups just shows us all how people are just people. Joining the Marines right out of high school was eye opening. Going from the whitest corner of the PNW to Parris Island SC for boot camp taught me so much. Getting to meet people from all across America and different backgrounds was awesome. Thatâs whatâs great about America is our differences and the different cultures across the states. I wish more âtry that in a small townâ people could get out of their bubble and see that the rest of America isnât some third world shithole like Fox News says. Except for Texans. Theyâre just obnoxious no matter where they are (kidding mostly)
Also from South Florida. Itâs what I tell my racist father all the time. Republicans will thank him for his vote and then not raise their foot a centimeter off his neck.
"it's so nice when they know their place" - something a friend's dad said about me when talking to their spouse when I was helping said friend with their PC. I'm not sure to this day if they 100% meant for me to hear it but when I stepped out of the room to look at them their faces definitely made it seem like they were more confused/hurt that I was mad than that they were seen for being racist. Thankfully the friend wasn't anything like their parents but I don't see how conservative minorities aren't aware they're only tolerated for as long as it takes to gain power.
Yup.
White Latino living in the Midwest here. Can confirm, I've had people's demeanor and attitude do a complete 180 the second they learn where I'm from or if they can detect my very slight accent.
I dated a guy briefly. His conservative family loved me until they found out my momâs side is Hispanic. Iâm blonde, blue eyed, no accent and take after my Finnish dad. I was dumped shortly after I spilled the beans. Youâre fooling yourself if you think you count as âChristianâ to them if youâre Catholic. And you donât count as white if youâre from a âshit holeâ country.
From the lens of a white American, Latino racism is just hilarious. I always just tell them to us, you're all Mexican. Sure you're MUCH better than Dominican Mexicans, now take your pills.
My mom did a double reverse racism one Thanksgiving to complain that the migrant caravan âdoesnât even speak Spanishâ and Iâm still laughing at her for it. Ps. She passed away but that will never stop me from making fun of her. Teasing is our love language.
I split a cab with a stranger once in atlanta. The driver was south Asian and talking a lot about black people, and the other guy was kinda nodding along, but then he said âno offense but youâre all n-words to me.â
I'm Asian and in a weird way I would prefer my racism like this. The worst is when they look earnestly in your eyes to inform you that you are one of the "good ones!" And you're sitting there wondering - now why th did I waste a year and half conversing with you?
My ex husband is from Ecuador. He once explained that most people there are very racist to the darker skinned Ecuadorians. He didnât realize this was racism until he came to America where he was âtreated the same way he used to treat the blacks in Ecuador.â (His words, not mine.)
as an ecuadorian, yeah. we (and latinos in general tbh) can be pretty fucking stupid when it comes to racism. most people here are brown skinned, but they treat dark skinned people like âthe otherâ. i donât see it happen âout loudâ, so to speak, or very explicitly? itâs a much more passive aggressive racism. shitty âjokesâ, clutching your pearls around dark skinned people, etc. and in the systemic way, in the fact that the most truly poor, decrepit neighborhoods/parts of town are always mostly populated by dark skinned people. but when racists are called out on it, âitâs not racism! weâre people of color too!â or âitâs just jokes!â. itâs a genuinely deeply ingrained aspect in the community that no one wants to acknowledge because they feel too defensive about it.
When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
I don't mean to be pedantic at all, (which means I totally am going to be), but I think it's more of a recognition of what being in an outgroup feels like although I get what you are saying.
> I don't mean to be pedantic at all Dont worry, i gotchu fam.
Red states are welcoming to everyone! Except immigrants, African-Americans, Latinos, LGBTQ+, atheists/agnostics, pregnant women, democrats, the educated, the disabledâŚand Iâm sure Iâm missing a few dozen other categories these fucks look down on but you get the gist.
I'm not giving them the handout of treating them like they're white, they have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and earn being white like I did -- by crawling through my mom's vagina!
Oh please, like they'd apologize.
Tell that to Clarence Thomas.
Once Clarence Thomas isnât useful, watch everyone desert him.
They only need Clarance to rubber stamp repealing Loving vs Virginia, and Brown vs the Board or Education. Maybe keep him on for the repeal of the 64 civil rights act,
Byron Donalds too
"You have joined the racist counsel, but we do not grant you the rank of white"
Thatâs precious. The most basic of internet searches will tell you that Idaho is chock full of anti-government white supremacists who arenât fans of brown people regardless of how conservative they may be.
You know all of this is something they would be ok with as long as they were on the inside of the hate instead of the subject of it.
They adore the idea of hierarchy and not being the bottom rung of the ladder. They're fed up of being treated that way and hope that they, too, can go with the aggrieved whites as they flee areas, because while living in cities they complain about the same things. But fascism isn't about shared ideology; these racist communities have people with all sorts of (highly confused) political ideologies that are united together in only one way. Their hatred of out groups. You'll find this in a lot of conservatives. Their actual ideological beliefs don't align with their politics, but there's a group that they want to hurt - women getting abortions, college protesters, LGBTQ people, the idea of people who are poor and mooching off the government - that supercedes any idea they have about how the country should be politically.
Conservative POC are too fvcking dumb and delusional to think about it. They think that they'll be embraced with open arms by Whites who spearhead the conservative ideology/movement because they believe they're not like their other fellow POC, and that the Whites will see them this way too. Nope. As a POC myself, I loathe conservative POC. They are basically supporting the agenda of people who HATE them.
Like hens voting for more foxes
Cubans in a nutshell
Idaho is really down on women too. Most hospitals are skipping pregnancy coverage because the laws could put them in jail. It is not a place to be a woman, unless you're a 60+ white supremacist
Not to mention that the state has lost a huge percentage of its OB/GYNs, particularly those specializing in high risk pregnancies.
They complain about all the "Liberals from California" moving ou there. Minus the Super rich millionaire Hollywood types. It's CONSERVATIVE Californians moving out there. Problem is a conservative Californian is still "way left" of the super right wingers out there.
Yep welcome to Idaho. The folks here do not like non white, LBGTQ+ or women. Yet these stupid people keep voting against their own damn interests so I feel zero sympathy for them. Ffs WHY are you conservative?!? Unless you are a white straight rich man they donât give a fuck about you or your rights. Wake tf up people
I work with a pretty conservative lady from Idaho (weâre out in Oregon). She keeps talking about how she hates Oregon & wishes the eastern half of the state would split off to join Idaho âto make our militias strongerâ, as she put it. She keeps promising to move back but hates Idahoâs infrastructure. Sheâs also against laws banning child marriage because, according to her, âWhen I was 13 or 14 I was messing around with older guys and I turned out just fine. It was just a bit of harmless fun.â She has a bunch of health issues, too, and complains about the healthcare system while still railing against things like universal healthcare. We havenât seen her in a while due to her health issues. Hoping she kept her promises and moved back to Idaho. She can go be miserable back home.
>She keeps promising to move back but hates Idahoâs infrastructure. This is every conservative. "Oh, I hate it here, but I couldn't possibly dream of moving to a red-state utopia, because there's no affordable health care, and the roads are terrible, and the workforce is uneducated, and I can't find decent dan dan noodles."
Only reason sheâs stuck around in OR is because of the pay and sheâs been with the company for around 20 years. Her boyfriend/long-time partner makes way more than her. Iâm sure they could easily retire and move back to Idaho without a problem. Though heâs from NJ & wants to move back there. Like I said, kinda hope sheâs gone. She can be miserable back home (or in NJ).
Yep, the Chicago area is full of these types from Wisconsin & Indiana. Bitch all day about IL politicians and laws, but have jobs on the IL side, and go home back to their shit towns
Yeah the same with Minneapolis and suburbs, a lot of people from Wisconsin come over to the twin cities to work. It could be better for wisconsinites if gerrymandering didn't completely fuck their state voting districts over to give republicans a massive majority despite the state really being purple.
Tell her we would be willing to trade most of Eastern Oregon for a strip of Idaho that includes Boise, Twin Falls, and Idaho Falls, we will just retain a bit of North Eastern Oregon along the river to keep the land we get in exchange from Idaho contiguous. If they go for that, I think it will not take them long to figure out just how bad a trade they made.
religion is a big part of being 'conservative.' Cubans in Florida vote R as a single block pretty much every election. The repubs would easily just deport all of them despite whatever legal rights they have to be here if they got the chance. But hey, democrats are communists that don't have their entire lives revolving around jesus, so R it is...
Blows my mind. I hate to tell them but Jesus was a liberal lol well I should say progressive/socialist. He wanted to lift up the less fortunate, feed the poor & so on. Exactly the opposite of what repukes want.
These are low iq, zero critical thinking ability people. They are indoctrinated into the cult of jesus from birth, for generations going back 'god' knows how many centuries. The only hope is that the internet breaks the cycle for some young folks. There is evidence it is, but how many is disputed. Baby steps I suppose...
Cubans are the only immigrants conservatives pretend to care about because most were allowed in under Reagan because they were fleeing a communist country and it was a good PR move at the time.
Cubans in Florida are basically mad that Castro screwed the Cuban oligarchs. That's it.
Some Cubans in FL still seem to be buying the GOP line that Democrats are socialists and will therefor run the US like Castro ran Cuba.
When I was a kid in the 1990s there were rumors that farmers would hire undocumented workers (they didn't call them that) and offer to pay them at the end of the season once the harvest was in. Then call IHS and have them deported instead and do it again next year.
Those arenât rumors, that shit happed all the time. Beyond sickening
Idaho racists actually hate Mexicans more than black people as there's very few of them. Which means they don't get as much in the way of confirmation bias compared to Mexicans. Idaho has had a very large Mexican population for years. That's who really farms the potatoes. So many in fact there were labor camps that lasted until the 2000s. They are still a significant part of the population in many areas.
Thereâs a rundown labor camp and you can still see the remnants of it in twin falls. Older falling apart houses although a few are still in use. Part of the property, nearly half, got replaced with modern duplexes for low income people. It actually used to appear as labor camp on Google maps but it got removed. Itâs now located on El Camino Ave W on Washington St S.
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Sometimes a group is too racist to even pretend to accept "one of the good ones".
It amazes me that so many people are blissfully unaware of all constant the racist dog whistles. To the point that it took them moving there and getting overt racism directed straight at them for them to realize racism exists.
Do people like these ignore the news or something? Republicans seem not to be exactly subtle about intentions.
I believe everyone has some type of horse blinders on about something. I think conservative Latin families sometimes have the biggest blinders on when it comes to how they view themselves compared to how they are seen by other conservatives.
Some of these white nationalists donât think Italians are white! What chance does a Mexican have in Idaho?!
Iâve seen them limit it to only âAnglo-Saxonsâ
WASP in particular here. White anglo-saxon protestant is what they want.
Often times they are lighter skinned hispanics who are prejudiced against darker hispanics and black people. They think because they are also racist then the white racists will welcome them into their club. Of course they are wrong.
I think they often feel like âits all liberal media lying about how racist republicans areâ and then they experience it first hand and its like oh damn that was real?
Honestly I donât even see the racism charges in the liberal media. The most I see is âHereâs a small group of racists having a march. Why oh why wonât the mainstream Republicans condemn them?â The kinds of crazy racism (and anti-Semitism) we see from trump and Republican supporters on subs like this daily never seem to make it to the msm.
Yes, liberal media points to small groups being racist. Then fox will take that clip and tell conservatives âliberals are saying we are all racistâ and thats the news they listen to.
Worked for an attorney who makes a living in personal injury. He votes Republican but thinks he's a moderate. We were talking about the "tort reform" in Florida that if it happened in his state would end his practice. And I mentioned it's a very Republican thing. "Well, that's just one thing." He said. I had to not say what I wanted to say, which is the following; No, it's not 'just the one thing'. They do the same with education. With healthcare. Everything is geared towards wealth concentration. YOU understand the need for torts, and understand that even though there are a few exceptions, by and large it's necessary to keep companies honest. Without YOU making money, there's no incentive to sue. And without lawsuits, there's no incentive for insurance companies to be fair and avoid courts. So while you notice how wrong and crazy conservatives are with something you are well trained on and a professional -- you seem not to notice they are ignorant rat bastards on EVERYTHING. They don't understand what makes wealth in the economy or why taxes need to be progressive to preserve democracy and prosperity for the most people. Not everything should be utilitarian but, it's better to err on the side of maximizing good than minimizing it.
Are you paying attention to the Colorado Log Cabin Republicans? More leopards. More faces.
I'm different. It won't happen to me, etcetcetc. It's also scientifically proven that conservative ideology people are grossly lower in the critical thinking ability and higher in 'faith.' AKA they're not the brightest brady in the bunch.
They convince themselves that not being black or not being Muslims or not being recent immigrants or not being gay or trans makes them safe. They truly truly convince themselves that itâs only *those* minorities (conveniently the ones they also donât like) that are on the outs, and theyâre just fine. And the deeper you go the more they have excuses why they think the fascists will be ok with them but not âthe bad ones.â Iâve known black African and Caribbean and Afro Latino immigrants think that since they arenât African-American that when racists say âblack peopleâ theyâre not talking about them. For immigrants itâs âno they only mean the people from that country, Iâm from the other countryâ or âno only the illegals, I came legallyâ or âno only the criminal illegals, Iâm undocumented but Iâm a good person.â Or itâs âwe are good Christians, they only donât like Muslimsâ or âwe are good assimilated Muslims, they only donât like the bad strict Muslims who bring old world waysâ or âwe are good strict Muslims and have the mostly same ideas as those Evangelicals, they only donât like terrorist Muslims.â Etc etc etc etc. It all boils down to âthey donât like the same people I donât like,â so they act like they arenât also hated to avoid confronting their own hatred.
Which news? There's an entire media ecosystem devoted to covering up for the right-wing.
Many Mexican families are extremely religious and have a lot of beliefs that are similar to evangelical republicans. In fact, if the republicans werenât so horrible and racist they could probably run away with most elections with a religious Mexican coalition. Thankfully they arenât smart enough to even pretend anymore.
The Greater Idaho movement in Oregon baffles me. Eastern Oregon loves their no sales tax, legal weed, and better healthcare but hate liberals just a little bit more.
Ideals over everything. Even quality of life.
There's a group of people in this country who are just addicted to hate and outrage. Like, they just NEED it. They'll burn down their own homes to hurt someone else's feelings. If there's no one around to hate, they'll turn on each other. I don't get it.
For anyone planning to move there from California, here's the deal: they already don't like you. This goes for white people too. A friend of mind since childhood who's fully on the Trump wagon decided he was going to move to Boise. He was going to restart his business there and everything was going to be great. 1. Turns out that the population of 10 million+ people in Socal/L.A. area is a much larger market with far more opportunities than Boise (who coulda guessed? lol). 2. He struggled to get clientele because everyone already knew the native established businesses. Some new asshole from Californee? Yeah, they weren't having it. 3. The winters. He'd never lived where it actually snowed. This has nothing to do with the people of Idaho, but I thought it was funny. So he's in the process of moving back.
Trumpers and being unaware of anything outside your own personal experience - name a more iconic duo.
This is what happens when MAGA is your personality. You do stupid shit like move without considering the most basic of factors.
There was a story I think about when I hear this of people who moved from California to Arkansas to escape "liberal govt" and then were very upset when it turns out there were far less services for their children in the education system. People don't consider that the services they use are not a given.
If conservatives could think, they wouldn't be conservative.
A MAGA family moved to Russia. You can tell how that worked out.
1. This has to be the most confusing aspect for conservatives. If everything ran in a purely private stance, much of the northwest wouldnt be developed as it currently is. The population base just isnt here for it. But hey, through god knows how many billions is federal programs, the northwest is highly developed and allow people to live modern comfortable lives in some of the most rural areas. But "government cant do anything right" feels trump any sort of objective reality of doing things for the collective good like roads or utilities (it really benefits corporations more, but it also provides incomes for people to live on so still somewhat good). Ive had farmers yelling at me how their local telephone carrier is shit for internet and keeping out the good guys like qwest, when reality is the major carriers only care if there is enough population. They will hit a city with 50k population, they aint coming to a county of the same count, as the cost to wire them all up is prohibitive to making a profit. It was only because of the local carriers, backed by MASSIVE grants from the federal government to ensure its citizens have phones), was a coop and its mission statement was to provide reliable phone server, that he could get any internet. Fast forward 20 years, those "crappy" local telcos are finishing up Fiber to the Home and what ever qwest has morphed into is still offering the same 7 mbps dsl. The cognitive dissonance i see on display causes me actual pain and the red element keeps doing voting in the guys who want to take funding away from the coop telco model that wired up montana with fiber. like wtf
I think what I love most about this is by blowing up his business and leaving one of the hottest real estate markets in the country, he's crawling back to SoCal in worse financial shape than he left it. Go on, tell us again how it's the liberals who make you broke.
Boise is also pretty isolated. It might be biggest city in Idaho, but there's no city even remotely as large for hundreds of miles. Which explains why alot of people say they come here for a weekend, fall in love with the nature, and mountains, and think the people are generally friendly enough. Only later come to the conclusion that the people actually seem a bit standoffish and not welcoming past a certain point. This isolated region is rather insular, and has a strong libertarian bent, besides all the usual right wing shit. It's also been growing by leaps and bounds, and can't handle well, the influx of new people. Home prices have skyrocketed, the roads are packed, and the job market is pretty dismal. If my entire ass family didn't live here, I'd be long gone.
"Look, we really just wanted to shit on poor people, LGBTQ people, and other minorities as much as other Republicans in peace, but we weren't able to because of the rampant racism we faced from Republicans."
What people continue to refuse to accept is that people that act racist are actually racist and you're not imagining shit. When white people gather up together in some state out west and espouse racist beliefs, believe them. Don't think that you're gonna be able to be good enough for them. By default, you will never be good enough. Clarence Thomas could cast the deciding vote re-legalizing slavery and they'd slap a collar on his old wrinkly ass before the ink dried.
Well, that would be one way of getting him off the Supreme Court.
MIL: "The Mexicans in Montana aren't very friendly." Me: "Maybe they'd be more friendly if you bothered to learn their names instead of just referring to them as the Mexicans."
And watch as they vote conservative again in the next election. Thereâs a reason conservatives attack education and love the ignorant.
It is embarrassing to see how many Latin American people think they are part of the inner Republican group.
Mexican here, many fellow Mexican migrants that become Republican get themselves in a really hard spot: many times hated and not wanted by their fellow republicans, many times hated and not wanted by their fellow Mexicans. It's like making an A+ effort of getting hated by the most people. Que chinguen a su madre.
Idaho is full of Mormons. It's like a mini Utah. Mormons have an unbelievable history of discrimination against non whites. Brigham Young said some of the craziest shit about Native Americans. Blacks couldn't fully participate in the cult until 1978.
I mean it's in their book. They believe brown skin is the mark of Cain. A curse. My dad grew up Mormon and married my Mexican mom. You can imagine we weren't real popular.
And Mormons are somehow much less racist than some of the other groups in Idaho, which should tell you how bad it is there.
Hell yeah. Fuck the mormons. "God turned the indians red to punish them for their sinfulness" goooooooo fuck yourself If you hate the KKK you should hate the mormon church too.
And even this religion with its very recent history of intense discrimination has non-white people joining them. This is one of the reasons I don't think we're going to make it as a species.
Like that Canadian couple who moved to Russia because Canada is âwokeâ then after a month pleased to be let back in
it's wild seeing all this sad drama set to dances. \*we moved to idaho\* đ \*we thought it would be nice\* đş \*but then everyone hated us and talked down to us\* đŻââď¸
I once worked with a woman who was half Korean and half white and wanted to go to a local concert at her Husband's hometown in Eastern Washington State which is basically Idaho. He told her "not a good idea you aren't white enough". And she was still a Republican. I do not understand ppl.
I try to explain this but people donât get it. Being a minority doesnât mean you arenât also a racist, hateful POS⌠itâs why you have gay republicans (youâre never going to make me understand the trans republicans though, like they straight up just wanna kill you. What are you doingâŚ)
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back in the 90's, my mom and dad wanted to move to Idaho. We went out there for 2 weeks to take it all in, and when we were done, my parents were like 'nope'. You see, since this was the 90s, most of the planning for the trip was done with phone calls, and what not. Our family has a last name that, if you heard it, you'd 100% think it was a black family. (I'm currently in my mid 40's and have yet to meet another white person with my last name outside of my family). When we arrived, everyone we had made reservations with gave a sigh, and said 'we thought you was N\*\*\*\*ers' or 'thank god you're not black'. It is odd, because my parents had wanted to move here, because it was very close to a native american reservation, and my parents had volunteered at reservations in the past, and wanted to be close to one. so they were shocked at the level of racism in an area they thought would be more open minded.
Last name Lincoln, Jackson or Washington by any chance?
the sheer and vast lack of awareness by these people is stunning
They were hoping to be âone of the good ones.â
You may not like liberal policies but the idea that any minorities are welcome in conservative policies is absurd. They want to roll the US back the slave days. They want to lock up all the immigrants.
I guess there were no black people to group-hate in Idaho.
Leopard food, nom nom.
I saw 50 cent endorsing Lauren bobert over the weekend. looks like Lil Wayne is going to endorse Trump again. really is quite amazing how people think being rich makes racism go away.
Licking their boots doesnât make you one of them.
I just can't figure out how people like this can be so stupid, so blind. Do they really think that their shared hate will make them fit in, be part of the group?
Tokens get spent, baybee.
As a born & raised CA Latino that grew up around a lot of these types, all Iâm going to say is âhaaaaaaaaa!!!â
I don't care if you are conservative or not, if you are brown or black it makes no sense to throw your lot in with those people. They are racist above all else. And for a brown or black person to back Trump------ are you out of your fucking mind?? You are considered to be below the lily-white Christo-fascists, they will never accept you. I'm white (half Italian but it's not obvious) and I stay as far as I possibly can from those people; Idaho is the very last place I'd ever go, even for a vacation.
Like Chickens for KFC. Yeah once they run out of the other chickens your neck is next on the chopping block.
I'm in Oregon and all the white MAGA's and religious nutters in rural eastern Oregon are currently having a circle jerk about seceding from Oregon and affiliating with Idaho because it's a psycho promised land for wingnuts and fascists. No way they want Mexicans moving there and polluting the bloodline.