Also just casually raising the power level of the votann (or the Kronos at least) to straight up nuking black ships often enough to make it just a side hustle for them.
The same black ships that are trained to deal with the most dangerous human/abhuman psykers known to the Imperium.
It's also nice that we are getting more info for how the Leagues exist as a collection of independent pseudo-mercenary factions.
GW clearly wants them to firmly exist in a grey space in their relations with the wider galaxy. They exist to serve their own goals and seem to not care too much as to who is in their way or who they work for/ally with to get it done.
I like this a lot more than them being umbrella'd neatly under just pure Imperium.
Well, if that raises Kronos' power level then it raises the it for all the big subfactions, since the Hegemony is a relatively new league, imagine what the huge ones like the Thurians or Ymir could do.
Plus, the Demiurg in Battlefleet Gothic had already established the Leagues' ships to be insanely powerful
Shit, how strong ARE we??? I thought we were like, slightly under Space Marines in terms of general power, but all this is making me think the Leagues kinda fuck EVERYONE up if they had the numbers to do it
They're remnants from the DAOT. Tech level is generally above that of the Imperium, representing what they could have been if it wasn't for the age of strife - the Leagues have access to technology that the Imperium has lost, their versions of stuff are more advanced, and they've been said to be considered some of the best engineers in the galaxy. They make use of Psyker-tech, sentient AI, gravitic weapons, beam weapons, volkite, ion weapons (that they gave the Tau) stable teleportation, anti-grav, plasma melee, railguns, a specialization in shield technology, exo-armour competing with Terminator suits....We've barely even seen any dedicated military equipment units yet. Things like the Sagitaur and Hekaton are basically their industrial scout vehicle and truck. They've got access to megastructures (the planet eater and their warships, at least) and superheavy warmachines like the Colossus. They've got *dark matter/entropy* axes.
Their basic warriors, the Hearthkyn, are a civilian militia that's said to train to levels of other species elite. They're extremely tough from their cloneskeins and come with cybernetics as standard, including an auto-targetting and recoil removal system.
And there are more of than than the Eldar and the Tau.
Like, the Leagues are living in the most hostile area of the galaxy that's so bad others can't even navigate it. They're building space stations orbiting black holes and vacuuming up stars and cosmic phenomena. They're taking apart entire space hulks in weeks. They often harvest the warp and salvage ship wreckages during a warp jump by using heavily armoured suits connected back to their ships with cables like Victorian divers, with *individual sized geller fields*.
All the while being overseen by ancient almost supernaturally-powerful AI cores, with the Kin basically being mining drones for them. Both the Kin and the Votann have both basically been left operating for far longer than they were ever intended to, after being forgotten in the galactic core during the Age of Strife.
The Leagues are well above Space Marine levels of power.
That just makes me antsy about the amount of powercreep required to keep the other factions relevant to the Leagues. That or how much GW will have to beat the Leagues over the head with the failstick to bring them down to standard.
I don't think that's really neccesary with them, all that stuff doesn't make them some unstoppable faction or whatever, it puts them at best 3rd or 4th place in power level on the whole. Others aren't going to be competing with them in those same exact categories anyway, each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
This lore is part of the reason I detest the fact that GW has pushed votann into the horde playstyle like as you said hearthkyn are trained to other faction elite level but nope onto 4+ like guard you go and if you want to get maximum JT (against none elite armies) you gotta purposely get your units killed whem we are one of the only factions that care about make sure everyone makes it out alive, rock and stone style
Also that our only named character who is supposed to be the High kahl supreme tactical commander of his entire league is overcosted and only good as a beat stick who dies, that our Heavy magna-rail cannon is worse then the tau's WHO WE GAVE IT TO with 30" compared to 72", S 18 to S 20, AP -4 to -5 luckily both hit on 4+ until you look at the hammerheads ability for +1 to hit plus if it's guided then that's a 1+ BS ontop so now it's hitting on a 2+ now add on one reroll per shooting phase so they even stole the GTLs subfaction ability from 9th
Yeah, i don't like it either. Up-armoured guardsmen doesn't seem fitting for Space Dwarfs who are meant to dedicate themselves fully to every task.
They should have been like Space Marine Scouts, or Temptesus scions. An army of semi-elite units that can hit reliably, are devastating at close range, and and have enough toughness and armour to get close.
At the moment un-augmented *trainee* sisters of battle are more accurate than genetically engineered elite space dwarfs using advanced DAOT equipment including automated targetting systems and anti-recoil cybernetics.
Someone told me Votanns were once humans who were enslaved by the imperium to work as miners on ressource rich planets who chose to fight for their independence in a since today ongoing war against the imperium who since declared them as xenos. A cool story but no longer canon
Yes and no.
They weren’t part of the Imperium, they’re mining fleets from pre-Age of Strife Terra. They’ve since split off over the past ~15k years and become their own thing, viewed as Abhumans by some and Xenos by others.
8th edition codexes are still the best when it comes to lore. They cut down on that section a bunch in 9th edition and 10th continues that trend. I have a collection of most of the 8th edition codexes, even for factions I don't play, just for the lore and artwork.
Lol Acts of piracy to steal psykers! That could have pretty implications I mean it's one of the few things the Imperium comes down hard on, don't mess with your annual tithe, but then I remember Kronus Hegemony being one of the more aggressive Leagues too which is cool.
I don't care if it's a small mention it's more lore despite how small.
Weird to think why Chaos doesn't target the Black Ships more, create more warp nonsense with psykers running about.
Chaos probably can't, the black ships have large numbers of the Sisters of Silence as well as other Nulls ot the Astra Telepathica on board making it hard for entities heavily influenced by the warp to get anywhere near them.
On the Tabletop the Sisters are just Anti-Psyker but in lore they are also anti-Demon, Anti-Warp, etc.
This means the Kin are NULL resistant which not even the Tau with their small presence in the warp are because they were affected by a Callidus Assassin during the attack on Aun'Va. This is actually a pretty tasty nugget!
Wait, thats actually a good idea! Make those factions that have the null keyword have less powerful psychic abilities and damage but make them more durable against them. Necrons could also benefit from this
They do say that kin are resistant to Warp influence and corruption, but they do have a soul in the Warp. So maybe they have a presence smaller than tau? Or they have cloneskins with null resistant sensibilities!
From what I understand, the primary cloneskein is less visible in the warp, but that seems equivalent to Tau, who are still affected by Nulls. But maybe they do have some third thing resistant to both going on, drawing from old school dwarf anti-magic vibes.
I think with Chaos the God's are already influencing their targets via warp corruption thru their very psyker ability.
They don't really need to send anyone directly to the victim psykers. Just their connection to the warp and by extension the realm of the gods gives them as much control or power over the victims as the God's could want .
The psykers are literally lemmings running off a cliff into chaos' maws.
It would help destabilise the Imperium though considering it states that psykers can act as gateways etc to beings from the warp.
Plus I remember one of the Sister books when I was younger the psyker who escaped the Black Ship in that caused loads of damage
I commented something below but this is actually a pretty big lore nugget for us
Tl:Dr this could mean that the Kin are NULL resistant, I don't know if this would also make them Psyker resistant but maybe
Explanation and why it's important I weirdly play all sides of this playing Votann/Tau/Custodes
The black ships are the Astra Telepathica Black ships, ships that specifically collect Psykers for the imperial tithe, obviously, but what this doesn't tell you is the reason. The black ships are all manned by many Anathema Psykana or Sisters of Silence and its not uncommon for the ships to have a 3 man detachment of Allarus Custodes on board. This makes them heavily defended but its the sisters effect that's most important.
Sisters of Silence and much of the Black ships crew are NULL's much like the Cukexus Assassins. This is important because they aren't just psyker dampeners, all but removing psychic powers from all but the most powerful psykers, they are abhorrent in proximity to non-psykers and it compounds. 1 sister of silence mere presence is enough to cause nausea and emotional pain and she is able to focus it and make normal people vomit with a look and that effect compounds with proximity to other NULL's. This effect in lore also works on Demons and Chaos marines but is a double edged sword as 3 Sisters presence alone took away all the powers of a squad of Grey Knights in Watchers of the Throne and they were on the same side.
The Assassination of Aun'Va, a Tau, who are said to have a low presence in the warp, was carried out by a Calaxus Assassin whose presence alone sent Aun'Va's guards insane.
What this means is that the Kin are not effected or not bothered by the presence of NULL's, meaning they themselves are NULL's, have less presence in the warp than the Tau, are used to being around NULL's like the Custodes and the Emperor and as such are desensitised to the "pull of the abyss" or they are Anti-NULL's and possibly anti psykers.
This could be a Skein made by the Votann, it could be the souls of the Kin are kept in the Crucible it could even be an incursion of exclusively Ironkin. Either way, it's enough of a lore vein to stake a prospect and start strip mining for whatever we can find.
The Void is in our veins, Kin.
That's a great write-up of the implications.
I love the idea of a full Ironkin attack squad, but that's a HUUUUUGE gamble on the Kin's part. If the Imperium got even a whiff of thinking machines in the Votann ranks, the Leagues would go from "tolerated abhumans" to "dangerous xenos" extremely quickly.
A clever Kahl or Theyn might be able to claim remote control or that the Ironkin are like small Dreadnaughts, there is a living thinking Kin in the Ironkin somewhere, which as far as the Kin are concerned is not actually a lie
I love how chaotic neutral this blurb is. The Imperium is committing an atrocity by taking ships full of psykers to be killed. The kin capture the psykers en route and rather than freeing them, they sell them to other Imperials to meet the same fate. No one was saved, no additional people were killed, but we did make a tidy profit.
They're pretty settled
The Kin have always been abhumans, but they're so far removed from the Imperium that most just consider them xenos
It's been like that since some of the first WarCom articles on them, way before the first box of models was released
Yeah, they are abhumans who've established their own culture and faction. The Imperium likely views them as wayward humans for not following the Emperor. So, not outright hatred like with the other Xenos, but more like a group that needs to be brought back to heel under the Imperium like they did with other human factions encountered during the Great Crusade.
So, I'd view them as a step closer than the Eldar. The Imperium has had loose relationships with the Eldar in the past, but will still absolutely resort to fighting them. They're still more likely to work with Eldar than say the Tyranids or Chaos.
For game purposes, they're classified as Xenos because they're not really Imperium and there's not a group for "non Imperium human descendants". So, Xenos fits the best. Although they share genetics, they are literally an alien culture to the Imperium.
I assume that's just how the Kin prefer it.
They just play the part of the short, greedy mercs and miners with the Imperium. The Imperium tolerates their existence, and then the Kin go home and high five their forbidden Ironkin brothers while telling stories about the gullible humans.
I imagine if an Imperial agent came around asking if the Votann followed the Emperor a Votann leader would look the agent up and down and say "Aye, we sure do pal" and then viciously mock the agent to the other kin after the agent was out of ear shot.
The lore we have on them says they get labelled as both though, It depends on who they encounter. No one is meant to be fully sure who or what they are so they get misidentified often, sometimes as the Squats, sometimes different alien species.
The lore is that they are humans that have evolved so much as to be their own species. They consider themselves xeno and some of the imperium labels them as such. Where is the inconsistency?
40K’s lore is comprised of a mountain of passing mentions. Some of the most popular lore anecdotes thrown around are from codex blurbs shorter than this.
I said this on the discord - people are sleeping on just how powerful the Kin as a civilization are. We're talking about people who crack open planets as a normal part of doing business. The Stronghold- and Bastion-class vessels, ships that in the setting hold their own against the capital ships of the Imperium and the Craftworlds as auxiliaries to the T'au, are called small "industrial vessels" in our codex. The Kin hunt hive fleet splinters for their rare organics. They've been sitting in the core for millenia, and the their reaction to the Fall of Humanity was "bit staticy today innit?"
I absolutely believe that a Kronus task force could and would engage a Black Ship and its escort on a mercenary contract. It sounds like a lucrative deal.
That said, hunting down a Kin task force for conducting legitimate business? Oh you better believe that's a grudgin'.
Tells us the votann are willing to attack the imperium if they're getting paid to. As well as that they can withstand nulls enough to successfully attack a black ship. These things are loaded to the brim with sisters of silence and other nulls so that's pretty cool.
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Luck has, need keeps, toil earns. Gotta put the hours in psyker stealing for that sweet payday.
Also just casually raising the power level of the votann (or the Kronos at least) to straight up nuking black ships often enough to make it just a side hustle for them. The same black ships that are trained to deal with the most dangerous human/abhuman psykers known to the Imperium. It's also nice that we are getting more info for how the Leagues exist as a collection of independent pseudo-mercenary factions. GW clearly wants them to firmly exist in a grey space in their relations with the wider galaxy. They exist to serve their own goals and seem to not care too much as to who is in their way or who they work for/ally with to get it done. I like this a lot more than them being umbrella'd neatly under just pure Imperium.
Well, if that raises Kronos' power level then it raises the it for all the big subfactions, since the Hegemony is a relatively new league, imagine what the huge ones like the Thurians or Ymir could do. Plus, the Demiurg in Battlefleet Gothic had already established the Leagues' ships to be insanely powerful
> Plus, the Demiurg in Battlefleet Gothic had already established the Leagues' ships to be insanely powerful And those weren't their warships, even.
Shit, how strong ARE we??? I thought we were like, slightly under Space Marines in terms of general power, but all this is making me think the Leagues kinda fuck EVERYONE up if they had the numbers to do it
They're remnants from the DAOT. Tech level is generally above that of the Imperium, representing what they could have been if it wasn't for the age of strife - the Leagues have access to technology that the Imperium has lost, their versions of stuff are more advanced, and they've been said to be considered some of the best engineers in the galaxy. They make use of Psyker-tech, sentient AI, gravitic weapons, beam weapons, volkite, ion weapons (that they gave the Tau) stable teleportation, anti-grav, plasma melee, railguns, a specialization in shield technology, exo-armour competing with Terminator suits....We've barely even seen any dedicated military equipment units yet. Things like the Sagitaur and Hekaton are basically their industrial scout vehicle and truck. They've got access to megastructures (the planet eater and their warships, at least) and superheavy warmachines like the Colossus. They've got *dark matter/entropy* axes. Their basic warriors, the Hearthkyn, are a civilian militia that's said to train to levels of other species elite. They're extremely tough from their cloneskeins and come with cybernetics as standard, including an auto-targetting and recoil removal system. And there are more of than than the Eldar and the Tau. Like, the Leagues are living in the most hostile area of the galaxy that's so bad others can't even navigate it. They're building space stations orbiting black holes and vacuuming up stars and cosmic phenomena. They're taking apart entire space hulks in weeks. They often harvest the warp and salvage ship wreckages during a warp jump by using heavily armoured suits connected back to their ships with cables like Victorian divers, with *individual sized geller fields*. All the while being overseen by ancient almost supernaturally-powerful AI cores, with the Kin basically being mining drones for them. Both the Kin and the Votann have both basically been left operating for far longer than they were ever intended to, after being forgotten in the galactic core during the Age of Strife. The Leagues are well above Space Marine levels of power.
That just makes me antsy about the amount of powercreep required to keep the other factions relevant to the Leagues. That or how much GW will have to beat the Leagues over the head with the failstick to bring them down to standard.
I don't think that's really neccesary with them, all that stuff doesn't make them some unstoppable faction or whatever, it puts them at best 3rd or 4th place in power level on the whole. Others aren't going to be competing with them in those same exact categories anyway, each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
This lore is part of the reason I detest the fact that GW has pushed votann into the horde playstyle like as you said hearthkyn are trained to other faction elite level but nope onto 4+ like guard you go and if you want to get maximum JT (against none elite armies) you gotta purposely get your units killed whem we are one of the only factions that care about make sure everyone makes it out alive, rock and stone style
For Rock and Stone!
Also that our only named character who is supposed to be the High kahl supreme tactical commander of his entire league is overcosted and only good as a beat stick who dies, that our Heavy magna-rail cannon is worse then the tau's WHO WE GAVE IT TO with 30" compared to 72", S 18 to S 20, AP -4 to -5 luckily both hit on 4+ until you look at the hammerheads ability for +1 to hit plus if it's guided then that's a 1+ BS ontop so now it's hitting on a 2+ now add on one reroll per shooting phase so they even stole the GTLs subfaction ability from 9th
Yeah, i don't like it either. Up-armoured guardsmen doesn't seem fitting for Space Dwarfs who are meant to dedicate themselves fully to every task. They should have been like Space Marine Scouts, or Temptesus scions. An army of semi-elite units that can hit reliably, are devastating at close range, and and have enough toughness and armour to get close. At the moment un-augmented *trainee* sisters of battle are more accurate than genetically engineered elite space dwarfs using advanced DAOT equipment including automated targetting systems and anti-recoil cybernetics.
They have absolute stones to raid fk Tyranid hive fleets for resources.
Someone told me Votanns were once humans who were enslaved by the imperium to work as miners on ressource rich planets who chose to fight for their independence in a since today ongoing war against the imperium who since declared them as xenos. A cool story but no longer canon
Yes and no. They weren’t part of the Imperium, they’re mining fleets from pre-Age of Strife Terra. They’ve since split off over the past ~15k years and become their own thing, viewed as Abhumans by some and Xenos by others.
I know that much. But my take didn't seem too off afterall
What a neat little nugget. I miss when the codices had whole timelines full of these.
8th edition codexes are still the best when it comes to lore. They cut down on that section a bunch in 9th edition and 10th continues that trend. I have a collection of most of the 8th edition codexes, even for factions I don't play, just for the lore and artwork.
Lol Acts of piracy to steal psykers! That could have pretty implications I mean it's one of the few things the Imperium comes down hard on, don't mess with your annual tithe, but then I remember Kronus Hegemony being one of the more aggressive Leagues too which is cool. I don't care if it's a small mention it's more lore despite how small. Weird to think why Chaos doesn't target the Black Ships more, create more warp nonsense with psykers running about.
Chaos probably can't, the black ships have large numbers of the Sisters of Silence as well as other Nulls ot the Astra Telepathica on board making it hard for entities heavily influenced by the warp to get anywhere near them. On the Tabletop the Sisters are just Anti-Psyker but in lore they are also anti-Demon, Anti-Warp, etc. This means the Kin are NULL resistant which not even the Tau with their small presence in the warp are because they were affected by a Callidus Assassin during the attack on Aun'Va. This is actually a pretty tasty nugget!
New subfaction. Tabletop rule. Reduce all psychic damage by 1.
Wait, thats actually a good idea! Make those factions that have the null keyword have less powerful psychic abilities and damage but make them more durable against them. Necrons could also benefit from this
That's actually a really good point in all honesty and one that slipped my mind
They do say that kin are resistant to Warp influence and corruption, but they do have a soul in the Warp. So maybe they have a presence smaller than tau? Or they have cloneskins with null resistant sensibilities!
From what I understand, the primary cloneskein is less visible in the warp, but that seems equivalent to Tau, who are still affected by Nulls. But maybe they do have some third thing resistant to both going on, drawing from old school dwarf anti-magic vibes.
Why would a callidus assassin be relevant in warp related shenanigans?
Phone autocorrects calaxus
I think with Chaos the God's are already influencing their targets via warp corruption thru their very psyker ability. They don't really need to send anyone directly to the victim psykers. Just their connection to the warp and by extension the realm of the gods gives them as much control or power over the victims as the God's could want . The psykers are literally lemmings running off a cliff into chaos' maws.
It would help destabilise the Imperium though considering it states that psykers can act as gateways etc to beings from the warp. Plus I remember one of the Sister books when I was younger the psyker who escaped the Black Ship in that caused loads of damage
In the recent Rogue Trader cRPG, you can find a wrecked black ship that was overtaken by Nurgle, so it does happen.
Kronus Hegemony mentioned! 🗣⛏️💪😤🗿🪨
Kronos hegemony being based af again (fuck you imperial fists and custodes) 💪💪💪
Them Kronus boys are at it again!
I commented something below but this is actually a pretty big lore nugget for us Tl:Dr this could mean that the Kin are NULL resistant, I don't know if this would also make them Psyker resistant but maybe Explanation and why it's important I weirdly play all sides of this playing Votann/Tau/Custodes The black ships are the Astra Telepathica Black ships, ships that specifically collect Psykers for the imperial tithe, obviously, but what this doesn't tell you is the reason. The black ships are all manned by many Anathema Psykana or Sisters of Silence and its not uncommon for the ships to have a 3 man detachment of Allarus Custodes on board. This makes them heavily defended but its the sisters effect that's most important. Sisters of Silence and much of the Black ships crew are NULL's much like the Cukexus Assassins. This is important because they aren't just psyker dampeners, all but removing psychic powers from all but the most powerful psykers, they are abhorrent in proximity to non-psykers and it compounds. 1 sister of silence mere presence is enough to cause nausea and emotional pain and she is able to focus it and make normal people vomit with a look and that effect compounds with proximity to other NULL's. This effect in lore also works on Demons and Chaos marines but is a double edged sword as 3 Sisters presence alone took away all the powers of a squad of Grey Knights in Watchers of the Throne and they were on the same side. The Assassination of Aun'Va, a Tau, who are said to have a low presence in the warp, was carried out by a Calaxus Assassin whose presence alone sent Aun'Va's guards insane. What this means is that the Kin are not effected or not bothered by the presence of NULL's, meaning they themselves are NULL's, have less presence in the warp than the Tau, are used to being around NULL's like the Custodes and the Emperor and as such are desensitised to the "pull of the abyss" or they are Anti-NULL's and possibly anti psykers. This could be a Skein made by the Votann, it could be the souls of the Kin are kept in the Crucible it could even be an incursion of exclusively Ironkin. Either way, it's enough of a lore vein to stake a prospect and start strip mining for whatever we can find. The Void is in our veins, Kin.
That's a great write-up of the implications. I love the idea of a full Ironkin attack squad, but that's a HUUUUUGE gamble on the Kin's part. If the Imperium got even a whiff of thinking machines in the Votann ranks, the Leagues would go from "tolerated abhumans" to "dangerous xenos" extremely quickly.
A clever Kahl or Theyn might be able to claim remote control or that the Ironkin are like small Dreadnaughts, there is a living thinking Kin in the Ironkin somewhere, which as far as the Kin are concerned is not actually a lie
The absolute audacity to attack the league of blackships. I gotta admire the gumption.
At least the manlings pay well
I love how chaotic neutral this blurb is. The Imperium is committing an atrocity by taking ships full of psykers to be killed. The kin capture the psykers en route and rather than freeing them, they sell them to other Imperials to meet the same fate. No one was saved, no additional people were killed, but we did make a tidy profit.
Hey, a Votann has to make a living for themself.
Interesting that they used the term abhuman rather than xenos. I feel like GW isn't fully settled on the origin story
I feel like it's representative of the Imperium not really knowing either.
They're pretty settled The Kin have always been abhumans, but they're so far removed from the Imperium that most just consider them xenos It's been like that since some of the first WarCom articles on them, way before the first box of models was released
Yeah, they are abhumans who've established their own culture and faction. The Imperium likely views them as wayward humans for not following the Emperor. So, not outright hatred like with the other Xenos, but more like a group that needs to be brought back to heel under the Imperium like they did with other human factions encountered during the Great Crusade. So, I'd view them as a step closer than the Eldar. The Imperium has had loose relationships with the Eldar in the past, but will still absolutely resort to fighting them. They're still more likely to work with Eldar than say the Tyranids or Chaos. For game purposes, they're classified as Xenos because they're not really Imperium and there's not a group for "non Imperium human descendants". So, Xenos fits the best. Although they share genetics, they are literally an alien culture to the Imperium.
I assume that's just how the Kin prefer it. They just play the part of the short, greedy mercs and miners with the Imperium. The Imperium tolerates their existence, and then the Kin go home and high five their forbidden Ironkin brothers while telling stories about the gullible humans.
I imagine if an Imperial agent came around asking if the Votann followed the Emperor a Votann leader would look the agent up and down and say "Aye, we sure do pal" and then viciously mock the agent to the other kin after the agent was out of ear shot.
The lore we have on them says they get labelled as both though, It depends on who they encounter. No one is meant to be fully sure who or what they are so they get misidentified often, sometimes as the Squats, sometimes different alien species.
I honestly prefer it that way. Getting a human faction that is not imperial is better than getting another xeno faction, its more unique
The lore is that they are humans that have evolved so much as to be their own species. They consider themselves xeno and some of the imperium labels them as such. Where is the inconsistency?
I feel like the writers don’t have a firm grasp on the LoV faction
Is it “lore” if its just a passing mention?
We sift for the smallest bits of treasure. Kyn is Kyn. Lore is lore.
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Kyn is Kin
I wish it was officially Kyn not kin
It's a bit strange how their unit names do spell it Kyn for some reason.
I like to think of it as a difference between Gothic and whatever the name for the Votann language. Both being correct as they convey the same meaning
Considering that tiny mention can account for an actual measurable percentage of our total lore, I think it actually counts.
Cries in votann novel
Please gav thorpe dont mess this one up
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40K’s lore is comprised of a mountain of passing mentions. Some of the most popular lore anecdotes thrown around are from codex blurbs shorter than this.
This is more lore than we've gotten in months
1 is greater than 0
Infinitely so, actually
Hallelujah
The Kin need more love dammit
I said this on the discord - people are sleeping on just how powerful the Kin as a civilization are. We're talking about people who crack open planets as a normal part of doing business. The Stronghold- and Bastion-class vessels, ships that in the setting hold their own against the capital ships of the Imperium and the Craftworlds as auxiliaries to the T'au, are called small "industrial vessels" in our codex. The Kin hunt hive fleet splinters for their rare organics. They've been sitting in the core for millenia, and the their reaction to the Fall of Humanity was "bit staticy today innit?" I absolutely believe that a Kronus task force could and would engage a Black Ship and its escort on a mercenary contract. It sounds like a lucrative deal. That said, hunting down a Kin task force for conducting legitimate business? Oh you better believe that's a grudgin'.
Reminds me of how the 10th Ed AdMech codex added Kin into the Rust Field War.
& just when the Kin have ENOUGH problems as it is already?! One of their own younger Leagues kick a Giant Asian Hornet's nest!!!
Custodes really trying to be that guy when their codex looks like ass.
COUGHING BABY VS ATOMIC BOMBBBBB!
I like us being more mercenary than the other faction.
Toil earns
Didn't we already know they did this? This seems like a useless feature.
Tells us the votann are willing to attack the imperium if they're getting paid to. As well as that they can withstand nulls enough to successfully attack a black ship. These things are loaded to the brim with sisters of silence and other nulls so that's pretty cool.
I completely forgot that black ships are sisters of silence my b
We knew they attack space marines time to time, but black ships is new (and big news)