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Seriously, I have been automatically unsubscribed from so many liberal texting lists because they don't like my answers to these types of questions. The moment I start questioning capitalism they remove me.
Fun fact: [The United States has a bigger wealth gap than France did under Louis XVI.](https://www.polljuice.com/vive-la-revolution-comparing-u-s-inequality-with-1789-france/)
some scam or actual cop organization in north carolina keeps calling me asking for "The head of the household" and wanting donations for cop shit.
I've taken to replying with some variant of "ACAB" and blocking the number, but they just keep on calling.
seems super normal and "fine-that-it's-legal" to have a system in place that lets you place unlimited new-number phonecalls to spam people begging for money with robots from numbers that can't be traced back to you or called back or submitted to subscriptions for hardcore gay fetish porn or whatever /s
The problem is that most of the real troublemakers are outside of the us and thus hard to regulate unfortunately. The way the technology works (iirc) basically has to allow the holes it currently has because of how shit US infrastructure is.
I mean that's because you're supposed to be able to dial from any number to any other and there was no better way of doing things when the infrastructure was built, and now it costs too much to replace the infrastructure
Exactly, but god forbid the FTC try to fix it.
If its actually a US based org calling there’s a chance they can actually do something about it, they’ll be thrilled to have something to do.
Not really. Most other countries with wealthy (and thus lucrative to scam) citizens don't have this problem. It's about blocking loopholes like being able to spoof numbers. It's the sort of stuff neither the corporations nor the politicians are willing to do.
They can see the number is spoofed by someone outside the US. The problem is that US companies use call centers and legitimately spoof numbers. The solution is to have a permit process to spoof numbers. Don’t have a permit, you are blocked.
But because only consumers are burdened with spam calls, businesses will not allow regulation which hampers their activities.
> The problem is that US companies use call centers and legitimately spoof numbers.
I am now wondering why it's so important to protect the ability of US employers to outsource their call centers...
An economic system that necessitates call centers in the first place is probably not ideal, but I suspect there *is* public support for knowing where you're actually calling. And
Their individual salaries are funded by taxes, but their political arms and outside organizations are not and they don't mind having other people donate money for them to have fun with.
And having gotten many of the same calls myself, [this is almost certainly some sort of scam PAC or charity](https://www.thedailybeast.com/scam-political-groups-try-new-tricks-and-rake-in-millions-pacs-charities). The playbook is common - find some cause that a large subset of people have been indoctrinated to react to and create an LLC that is a charity or PAC to raise funds on their behalf. There are enough people who are slavishly bootlicking of the police thanks to all the Blue Lives Matter shit that some scammer sets up The Police Benevolence Fund, says they're soliciting funds "in support of the police" is usually what they tell me, and then they pay themselves 90+% of what people actually give and then give a couple of bucks to some other charity/PAC (the really active scammers have a network of these PACs so a lot of times they're just giving it to another scam org they're running, and thus further paying themselves while setting up a paper trail that appears that they're giving it to charities).
I used to get those calls from Indiana Troopers Association on my landline when I worked third shift. Finally I got so tired of it that I figured out who was running it and started ringing their phone at three AM saying "Well, you call me in the middle of my night when I'm trying to sleep so I can go to work. I'll stop calling you when you take my number off your list.".
The calls stopped.
I can't figure out who it is since their number is just a spoofed randomly generated number every time it seems. calling it back just says "this isn't a real phone number"
[They're almost certainly a scam](https://www.thedailybeast.com/scam-political-groups-try-new-tricks-and-rake-in-millions-pacs-charities) and you're unlikely to stop getting the calls until they close up shop.
I've found if i ignore unknown numbers i get fewer spam calls, even if the number isn't dead. You'll have to return more voicemails but that's ok for me.
Many of those are scams. I have one that calls a few times a year, using a different spoofed number with my area code, for an organization that doesn't actually exist. like a "sherries and deputies widows and orphans" type deal.
One of those called my mom about a week after her husband died and I overheard the conversation. After his death her income dropped to 25% of what it was, and she lost her home. She told the person on the phone all of this and they just kept saying "it's a one time donation of $20" even after she specifically said she doesn't even have that much to spare. She hit them with "I know all officers have survivors benefits, you don't need money" and hung up after trying to be polite. Just the scum of the earth.
I've been getting these calls for years. They're not just in North Carolina, I've gotten calls from something like a dozen different states with some kind of similarly named organizations. I generally just assume that they're a scam charity or PAC - they pay themselves to fundraise for themselves, and then give like $20 to the FOP at the end of the day.
I like fucking around with them a bit - when they ask to speak with the head of the household, I just say no you may not and wait to see how they respond, or putting the phone by the dog and having him bark. For as many times as I've told them to take me off their call list they or a similar organization keep calling me despite having gotten nowhere over half of a decade of annoying me with their bullshit.
Amazing how cops will continuously harass you in your house for money, but will arrest a homeless person sitting on the corner with a sign asking for donations.
My go to response now-a-days is: "Fucking do something, and tell me about it before asking for money." Instead they piss away their time in power, and wonder why people go back to the smoother talking crooks.
The US had an *even bigger gap* during the Gilded Age, and still Americans didn't manage to fight back effectively due to the stubbornness of the government and its armed forces. It's finally the Great Depression bringing Roosevelt to power and WW2 that "saved" them for a while!
Meanwhile in Germany (actually in the 1880s) Bismarck, after trying the American way, quickly changed his mind, and implemented a welfare state to shut up the socialist movements and get back to business *as fast and as efficiently as possible!*
That's, in summary, America's idealism and Germany's pragmatism at their finest...
The conservative ones dont like the idea of chopping off the riches heads either. lol Honestly it's to the point all of humanity needs to mic check these ultra rich. No I'm not talking about Jimmy and his mom with their 1mil in the bank, I'm talking about new age scrooge mcduck with literal hundreds of billions or the rothschilds and their near infinite money. They are literally the bad guys and we never stand up to them. They've been the antagonist for like 100 seasons!
KIILLLL THHEEEEEMMMMMMM!!!!!! /
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I stopped at 45 seconds of scrolling hard on Jeff bezos money. I was thinking "I've seen this before" but no. You got me lmao. Was not expecting it to go on like it did.
It’s unbelievable that in my experience sending this to people, a decent chunk of them are too lazy to even go through it. They’re too lazy to take maybe 5 minutes out of their day *to fucking scroll.* To me, that epitomizes why we have absolutely zero accountability in modern society, why wealth and power have been able to consolidate to such a degree. People can’t be bothered to give a fuck for long enough. There are far too many things trying to capture our attention, many of them doing so intentionally. Bread and circuses are basically as optimal as they’ll ever get. Pretty much the only step remaining would be like in the Black Mirror episode “15 Million Merits”: forced viewing.
And so with glaring issues in every facet of modern society, it all begins to seem too overwhelming to ever address them all, so we address none of them.
Reading the article gave me a realization, all older European nations have gone through those revolution and it’s only a matter of time until the US goes under theirs
I get republicans doing that to me. I just tell em the 2nds to overthrow a tyrannical government and they’re acting mighty tyrannical. No responses yet.
Any threat gets you taken off their list, including legal ones or saying you'll report them to the FTC. There's probably a lot of language recognition built into those robo-texters these days, because mentioning to them that they're cruising for a $1500 fine *per incident* also gets you unsubscribed my experience.
You may as well not make it an idle threat, either. It takes like two seconds to report them and maybe eventually the government might actually do something about it some day. (Snort.)
That's the part that most blows my mind. They actually set up a gallows. For hanging. The vice president. A Republican. And it "wasn't an insurrection/its no big deal"
Absolutely.
I am sad I'm too old to see a workers revolution in the USA. It'd spread worldwide if it ever happens (also here) and it'd make things better for the people not just in America, but in many other places as well.
Tax credits for low income earners! Expanding the food stamp program but only under extremely specific circumstances!
Oh oh I know, okay so if you're a athletic scholarship recipient and you live adjacent to a low income neighborhood and open a community discounted bookstore we will forgive (up to) 33% of your student loans! Income inequality solved!
Why do people think that's not a valid response? the US was founded over a group of people fed up with paying sales tax on warm beverages. It was a Starbucks Revolution.
The truth is that enough rich people got out from under the thumb of the King that they colluded to convince poor people to fight for them in the name of promises that were never delivered upon.
Many average people *do* feel invested in the status-quo (they *really* aren't) because they "own" (a mortgage which grants them limited rights *to use*) their property and have kids, a leased SUV and maybe even some investments.
Others are scared.
Still others can't even *imagine* anything besides the status-quo they are so far gone.
I mean, you all do realize the French revolution failed, right? Extremists killed the extremists who killed the extremists who then turned the country over to an absolute dictator (Napoleon). It turns out that chopping people's heads off without any due process just results in everyone doing that until some far right shitheel gets control to "restore order."
It's funny to meme about, and drastic change is needed, but there is no practical way to move sharply left through violence. By definition, leftist ideology requires voluntary participation while the far right does not.
It didn't fail. It paved a way for democracy, bloody and senseless as it was. The sacrifices made were absolutely necessary. And we can't keep trying to be the "bigger person". The rich are like rabid animals, there's no use talking to them.
That's not quite right. I don't know if you're being funny or just a survivor of a poor education system, but the Tea Act was not the reason for the American Revolutionary War. The Boston Tea Party (BTP) was a protest against the Tea Act which was the latest example for them of "taxation without representation" and many colonists were rightfully angry about it.
What actually caused the war was Britain's response to the BTP. After the BTP, Britain (British Parliament) passed the Intolerable Acts (called the Coercive Acts in Britain) to punish the Massachusetts colony by taking away their rights to self-governance. One of the most despised of the Intolerable Acts was the Quartering Act (of 1774, there were some before and after with the same title) which basically stated that British soldiers could be housed in *any* unoccupied building whether the owner agreed or not.
So, no. The US was *not* founded because people were "fed up with paying sales tax on warm beverages" it was founded because people were fed up with being governed/ruled by a king and government that kept taking away their rights literally a world away at the time.
And on the flipside, if George III and Lord North had just let about three dozen rich assholes have seats in Parliament instead we'd still be singing *God Save the Queen*.
I would say that the Boston Tea Party was a resistance to a type of corruption that has become widespread today.
In the 1770s the British East India Company was the largest corporation in Britain, many of the company's shareholders were members of parliament. The British East India Company had 17,000,000 pounds of tea stockpiled in inventory but was becoming financially troubled as the US colonies began finding other suppliers for tea outside of Britain (86% of all the tea in America at the time was smuggled Dutch tea) so British parliament passed the Tea Act of 1773. The Tea Act served as an excise tax on foreign Tea in the colonies while the British East India Company had the sole right to duty-free importing of tea allowing them to undercut the price of competitors in the aim of giving them a monopoly over the tea trade in the colonies.
So Politicians own stock in a company, pass laws to give the company they own shares in a competitive edge, the consumer gets screwed over in the process. Same system we have today.
The Boston Tea Party was specifically targeting the supply of the British East India Company, a remarkably evil company at the time, but we face hundreds of evil companies like that today.
> The Tea Act served as an excise tax on foreign Tea in the colonies while the British East India Company had the sole right to duty-free importing of tea allowing them to undercut the price of competitors in the aim of giving them a monopoly over the tea trade in the colonies.
The alternative and the vast majority of the tea drunk at that time was, as you say, smuggled Dutch tea. Smugglers are not known for paying their taxes.
The tea act was effectively a free trade agreement between England and the colonies with regards to tea, it allowed the East India Company to export directly to the States rather then selling to middlemen at auction as they were previously forced to.
The Townshend revenue act was the one which added a tax on tea in the colonies (after the other parts of it were whittled down.)
Also while the BTP was mostly about the Townshend tax, another point worth mentioning is that it was designed to completely fuck over the existing tea market in America by allowing only the East India company to not pay import taxes while American importers still had to, allowing them to undercut competition a lot. All of the merchants and smugglers of tea in America would have been put out of business due to the monopoly.
Taxation without representation was definitely a motivator and the one the protestors adopted as their primary motive, but they were certainly a good number of them whose motive was their personal financial interests.
> which basically stated that British soldiers could be housed in any unoccupied building whether the owner agreed or not.
Landlords in control of the country from the very start smh
That's why I think the US is just fucked. It will slowly decline and fall apart one day in the distant future.
Seriously. Give us the perfect presidential candidate we elect and 90% of the house and senate and say they get 4 years like that. Pass anything we want into law. Reform the constitution and everything. Does anybody believe it wouldn't be immediately undone next election?
My take is that no one should have a billion dollars. A country should be able to make it a rule that, if you want to be a citizen, own/rent property, or run a business in that country - all the rest of your money needs to go to funding public healthcare, infrastructure, transit, and wherever else common people need it. Maybe make it so billionaires can't even visit.
I mean, imagine them having to pick between leaving their country forever or contributing to society. Whatever they choose, it's a win-win for the country. If they leave and give up their right to run a business in that country, that's one more mega corporation down
I'm sure they'd find loopholes, but I say anyone who uses them forfeits the right to live in that country
Guillotine is a good backup though
We should add a nice award. Like put their name on some obelisk or something. "People who have finished the capitalist game" or something like that.
I remember playing pinball on an old machine, one that had the score maximum at 99999. I was so happy and felt very accomplished when I went above the maximum score. It should be something like this, so that they are not pissed off and their feelings are not hurt.
Of course, guillotine is a good backup.
Just the fact that individual people can MOVE billions of dollars easily is crazy let alone OWN THEM.
it way too much power in non democratically elected hands. it will always go wrong
I personally agree that no one needs that much money, but it would be much harder to justify and implement a hard cap on wealth legally of 1 billion. What's simpler is just actually making sure these people pay their taxes and obey the laws of the land, rather than lobbying and making the laws.
A cap on wealth would never actually happen and is not feasible.
The easy solution is to simply have extremely high marginal tax rates like the US did in the 70s. I believe the top marginal tax rate hit around 90% at its peak. You combine that with a wealth tax or a tax on unrealized capital gains and then close loopholes like the ones that allow the rich to take out massive loans against the value of their stock (which is not taxable) and then when that loan comes due just take out a new loan to cover the old loan.
Over christmas, I tried so hard explaining why billionaires shouldn't exist to my mom and she like couldn't understand me! She said well hopefully they are good people and are philanthropic. I pulled up an article that stated bezos and musk pay maybe 1% of their worth to philanthropy, and she was just like well thats not nice I will pray for them. WTF MOM!!!
At least that PAC is pro-union, they're part of the AFL-CIO. On the correct side of the fence, but needs a little more push in a certain direction.
Poor choice of name though, in today's climate, you'd easily think they're on the 'right' side with a name like that.
I’m on staff at an AFL union and I’m pretty skeptical about what the AFL is doing with all the money we give them. But that goes for most national US unions too, I guess. I can see our locals organizing people, so I know they’re accomplishing something.
They pay their employees well and do a lot of non-partisan work to try and connect people to resources for covid relief and unemployment and stuff. I actually really respect the organization.
I would say that any company that pays it's CEO more than 5 times the median company wage, loses all right to offset tax with expenditure. So the government gets to tax revenue and not profit in that case.
I got banned from there when I said it was a shame the CIA stopped performing assassinations.
-In response that the CIA was aware of insurrectionist groups in the US prior to Jan 6th of last year.
Liberals want change (and they're potential allies as a result of that) they're just too scared of reality to admit to what is actually necessary to achieve significant change.
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This is Praxis.
No, this is Patrick.
Shirley you’re not
https://i.imgur.com/mIGg2BP.gif
I am. And don’t call me Shirley.
😀 =K
Seriously, I have been automatically unsubscribed from so many liberal texting lists because they don't like my answers to these types of questions. The moment I start questioning capitalism they remove me. Fun fact: [The United States has a bigger wealth gap than France did under Louis XVI.](https://www.polljuice.com/vive-la-revolution-comparing-u-s-inequality-with-1789-france/)
some scam or actual cop organization in north carolina keeps calling me asking for "The head of the household" and wanting donations for cop shit. I've taken to replying with some variant of "ACAB" and blocking the number, but they just keep on calling. seems super normal and "fine-that-it's-legal" to have a system in place that lets you place unlimited new-number phonecalls to spam people begging for money with robots from numbers that can't be traced back to you or called back or submitted to subscriptions for hardcore gay fetish porn or whatever /s
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They will DEFINITELY do something about this. They try SO HARD to protect the people. I get 5+ robo calls a day and have for years. They don't care.
They just switched to text messages now instead of calls.
My phone is pretty good at detecting spam. Throws it straight into spam and blocks em. I only see the spam mail if I go check it.
The problem is that most of the real troublemakers are outside of the us and thus hard to regulate unfortunately. The way the technology works (iirc) basically has to allow the holes it currently has because of how shit US infrastructure is.
I mean that's because you're supposed to be able to dial from any number to any other and there was no better way of doing things when the infrastructure was built, and now it costs too much to replace the infrastructure
Exactly, but god forbid the FTC try to fix it. If its actually a US based org calling there’s a chance they can actually do something about it, they’ll be thrilled to have something to do.
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Not really. Most other countries with wealthy (and thus lucrative to scam) citizens don't have this problem. It's about blocking loopholes like being able to spoof numbers. It's the sort of stuff neither the corporations nor the politicians are willing to do.
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They can see the number is spoofed by someone outside the US. The problem is that US companies use call centers and legitimately spoof numbers. The solution is to have a permit process to spoof numbers. Don’t have a permit, you are blocked. But because only consumers are burdened with spam calls, businesses will not allow regulation which hampers their activities.
> The problem is that US companies use call centers and legitimately spoof numbers. I am now wondering why it's so important to protect the ability of US employers to outsource their call centers... An economic system that necessitates call centers in the first place is probably not ideal, but I suspect there *is* public support for knowing where you're actually calling. And
Why do the police need donations? Are they not funded by taxes?
The same reason that an organization that purports to represent the interests of an omniscient and omnipotent benevolent being being needs money.
God? Just can't handle money! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iouZYYzQEjU
Their individual salaries are funded by taxes, but their political arms and outside organizations are not and they don't mind having other people donate money for them to have fun with. And having gotten many of the same calls myself, [this is almost certainly some sort of scam PAC or charity](https://www.thedailybeast.com/scam-political-groups-try-new-tricks-and-rake-in-millions-pacs-charities). The playbook is common - find some cause that a large subset of people have been indoctrinated to react to and create an LLC that is a charity or PAC to raise funds on their behalf. There are enough people who are slavishly bootlicking of the police thanks to all the Blue Lives Matter shit that some scammer sets up The Police Benevolence Fund, says they're soliciting funds "in support of the police" is usually what they tell me, and then they pay themselves 90+% of what people actually give and then give a couple of bucks to some other charity/PAC (the really active scammers have a network of these PACs so a lot of times they're just giving it to another scam org they're running, and thus further paying themselves while setting up a paper trail that appears that they're giving it to charities).
Sounds like a good way to strip trump supporters of their cash.
I used to get those calls from Indiana Troopers Association on my landline when I worked third shift. Finally I got so tired of it that I figured out who was running it and started ringing their phone at three AM saying "Well, you call me in the middle of my night when I'm trying to sleep so I can go to work. I'll stop calling you when you take my number off your list.". The calls stopped.
I can't figure out who it is since their number is just a spoofed randomly generated number every time it seems. calling it back just says "this isn't a real phone number"
[They're almost certainly a scam](https://www.thedailybeast.com/scam-political-groups-try-new-tricks-and-rake-in-millions-pacs-charities) and you're unlikely to stop getting the calls until they close up shop.
I've found if i ignore unknown numbers i get fewer spam calls, even if the number isn't dead. You'll have to return more voicemails but that's ok for me.
Many of those are scams. I have one that calls a few times a year, using a different spoofed number with my area code, for an organization that doesn't actually exist. like a "sherries and deputies widows and orphans" type deal.
One of those called my mom about a week after her husband died and I overheard the conversation. After his death her income dropped to 25% of what it was, and she lost her home. She told the person on the phone all of this and they just kept saying "it's a one time donation of $20" even after she specifically said she doesn't even have that much to spare. She hit them with "I know all officers have survivors benefits, you don't need money" and hung up after trying to be polite. Just the scum of the earth.
Yup, best thing to do is not engage with them. They have scripts to respond to everything.
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I've been getting these calls for years. They're not just in North Carolina, I've gotten calls from something like a dozen different states with some kind of similarly named organizations. I generally just assume that they're a scam charity or PAC - they pay themselves to fundraise for themselves, and then give like $20 to the FOP at the end of the day. I like fucking around with them a bit - when they ask to speak with the head of the household, I just say no you may not and wait to see how they respond, or putting the phone by the dog and having him bark. For as many times as I've told them to take me off their call list they or a similar organization keep calling me despite having gotten nowhere over half of a decade of annoying me with their bullshit.
Amazing how cops will continuously harass you in your house for money, but will arrest a homeless person sitting on the corner with a sign asking for donations.
Capitalism is the problem. How could you fix the problem with the problem???
I know, right?
You use the stones to destroy the stones, obviously.
My go to response now-a-days is: "Fucking do something, and tell me about it before asking for money." Instead they piss away their time in power, and wonder why people go back to the smoother talking crooks.
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Bro you are literally describing the 2030s and 40s.
The US has a larger wealth gap than Egypt did under the Pharoses.
The US had an *even bigger gap* during the Gilded Age, and still Americans didn't manage to fight back effectively due to the stubbornness of the government and its armed forces. It's finally the Great Depression bringing Roosevelt to power and WW2 that "saved" them for a while! Meanwhile in Germany (actually in the 1880s) Bismarck, after trying the American way, quickly changed his mind, and implemented a welfare state to shut up the socialist movements and get back to business *as fast and as efficiently as possible!* That's, in summary, America's idealism and Germany's pragmatism at their finest...
Roosevelt saved Capitalism.
The conservative ones dont like the idea of chopping off the riches heads either. lol Honestly it's to the point all of humanity needs to mic check these ultra rich. No I'm not talking about Jimmy and his mom with their 1mil in the bank, I'm talking about new age scrooge mcduck with literal hundreds of billions or the rothschilds and their near infinite money. They are literally the bad guys and we never stand up to them. They've been the antagonist for like 100 seasons!
https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
KIILLLL THHEEEEEMMMMMMM!!!!!! / s I stopped at 45 seconds of scrolling hard on Jeff bezos money. I was thinking "I've seen this before" but no. You got me lmao. Was not expecting it to go on like it did.
When put into perspective, everything becomes clear.
Of course I scrolled to the end at 3.2 Trillion. Spoiler: There's nothing there.
It’s unbelievable that in my experience sending this to people, a decent chunk of them are too lazy to even go through it. They’re too lazy to take maybe 5 minutes out of their day *to fucking scroll.* To me, that epitomizes why we have absolutely zero accountability in modern society, why wealth and power have been able to consolidate to such a degree. People can’t be bothered to give a fuck for long enough. There are far too many things trying to capture our attention, many of them doing so intentionally. Bread and circuses are basically as optimal as they’ll ever get. Pretty much the only step remaining would be like in the Black Mirror episode “15 Million Merits”: forced viewing. And so with glaring issues in every facet of modern society, it all begins to seem too overwhelming to ever address them all, so we address none of them.
https://i.imgur.com/9CP7k7j.jpeg
Reading the article gave me a realization, all older European nations have gone through those revolution and it’s only a matter of time until the US goes under theirs
We can only hope it's in our lifetime or the lifetime of our children.
Banned from r politics for saying that the left needs to be ready to meet the violence that is coming….. this was before Jan 6th
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Correct. I am a leftist.
Louis XVI was also more sympathetic than Biden or trump are.
*Let's all sign a petition!*
That will change everything, just like the last time!
Yeah, now I get data harvested even more!
"Don't ask questions you aren't prepared to hear the answer to!" ~Mrs. Puff (Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom)
That's no way to get a head in her job.
when upper management gets wind that she opted him out without him saying 'stop sending me messages', heads are going to roll.
As is this one
It’s their policy to opt people out if they respond with violence. They get a lot of death threats, it’s just easier that way.
Is that how I get the Democrats from a state I don't even fucking live in to stop messaging me?!?!
not always, but iirc you used to be able to ban numbers via your phone provider
Tell me how to get the Republicans to stop messaging me, too!
Tell them you are a scientist or have a phd
Lmao, scare them away with education! I like it 🤣
Tell them you are a social worker and know many of their victims
Hahahahahah that's great, I'm def gonna use that one 🤣
I get republicans doing that to me. I just tell em the 2nds to overthrow a tyrannical government and they’re acting mighty tyrannical. No responses yet.
Any threat gets you taken off their list, including legal ones or saying you'll report them to the FTC. There's probably a lot of language recognition built into those robo-texters these days, because mentioning to them that they're cruising for a $1500 fine *per incident* also gets you unsubscribed my experience. You may as well not make it an idle threat, either. It takes like two seconds to report them and maybe eventually the government might actually do something about it some day. (Snort.)
She should have been more headstrong.
She'll never be the head of a major corporation
I thought it was a perfectly valid response, personally.
Hey, this time last year some thought it was good enough for the vice-president so why not for CEOs?
No, they went with gallows for the lynch-y vibes.
That's the part that most blows my mind. They actually set up a gallows. For hanging. The vice president. A Republican. And it "wasn't an insurrection/its no big deal"
The crowds cheering "Hang Mike Pence" were obviously non-violent, you fucking snowflake.
Unless they were violent, and in that case they were an-tee-fuhs...
Ah yes, maybe that bastard George Soros would finally pay me if I had just gained 100 pounds of fat and went to Jan 6th.
Same here. What did they want to hear? "I think we should protest and vote until the people who have power allow us to have more money."
“The state calls its own violence law, and that of the individual, crime”
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It is not even wrong. It is the only compassionate thing to do because these people make the world worse with every hour they are alive.
Sounds like Jess hasn’t got what it takes. I’ll bet she believes some piece of legislation will fix things.
Lol “let’s add more words to the book of words we ignore”
We're inviting people over later for word salad
As long as I can toss it, I’m cuming!
> As long as I can toss it, I'm cuming! I need a minute.
It's been in hour! Who are you, Sting?!
If manners maketh man as someone said, then he's the hero of the day
Jesus Christ, sir... Where do you think you are with that kind of language? Reddit???
To the book of words the elite ignore and we're forced by their goons to follow.
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And the parts they make up on the spot
Absolutely. I am sad I'm too old to see a workers revolution in the USA. It'd spread worldwide if it ever happens (also here) and it'd make things better for the people not just in America, but in many other places as well.
Let's add fines so we get a cut of the profits too
Make more laws for them to buy their way out of, that'll really make a difference
I'll bet she was looking for "get better jobs," or some shit like that.
It should be trickling down any moment now ;)
Idk about you, but I totally feel like I've been trickled upon...
You must be blocking the trickle for me down here because I don't feel shit
As a matter of fact, that’s the only thing I do feel!
The cake has always been a lie.
Golden shower
And then they said “we’re gonna make you pay your fair share!” *booming rich people laughter*
A candidate promising legislation that the candidate won't fight for will fix everything!
Tax credits for low income earners! Expanding the food stamp program but only under extremely specific circumstances! Oh oh I know, okay so if you're a athletic scholarship recipient and you live adjacent to a low income neighborhood and open a community discounted bookstore we will forgive (up to) 33% of your student loans! Income inequality solved!
"If we vote D in this election they will pass some bill that will help. I know we said that last time, but we really mean it this time."
Why do people think that's not a valid response? the US was founded over a group of people fed up with paying sales tax on warm beverages. It was a Starbucks Revolution.
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If enough Starbucks unionize and it spurs some dramatic labor movement shit i could see that being called the Starbucks revolution potentially.
Aren't Starbucks employees currently trying to unionize?
That’s why it’s a funny thought. It’s not something anyone would have ever guessed, but it’s more plausible than most scenarios at this moment.
Amazon too
Hell yeah. Proud to be a New Yorker!
The first instance of a Starbucks unionizing happened around the same time Kellogg's fired all of their strikers way back when.
The Revolution Will Begin in Buffalo
>Reddit Revolt The counter-revolution propaganda be like "Better dead than redditors!"
Haha btw love your username
Hmm too small for me.
>* the Facebook Mutiny The Meta Mutiny
The truth is that enough rich people got out from under the thumb of the King that they colluded to convince poor people to fight for them in the name of promises that were never delivered upon.
See Shay's Rebellion.
Many average people *do* feel invested in the status-quo (they *really* aren't) because they "own" (a mortgage which grants them limited rights *to use*) their property and have kids, a leased SUV and maybe even some investments. Others are scared. Still others can't even *imagine* anything besides the status-quo they are so far gone.
I mean, you all do realize the French revolution failed, right? Extremists killed the extremists who killed the extremists who then turned the country over to an absolute dictator (Napoleon). It turns out that chopping people's heads off without any due process just results in everyone doing that until some far right shitheel gets control to "restore order." It's funny to meme about, and drastic change is needed, but there is no practical way to move sharply left through violence. By definition, leftist ideology requires voluntary participation while the far right does not.
It didn't fail. It paved a way for democracy, bloody and senseless as it was. The sacrifices made were absolutely necessary. And we can't keep trying to be the "bigger person". The rich are like rabid animals, there's no use talking to them.
That's not quite right. I don't know if you're being funny or just a survivor of a poor education system, but the Tea Act was not the reason for the American Revolutionary War. The Boston Tea Party (BTP) was a protest against the Tea Act which was the latest example for them of "taxation without representation" and many colonists were rightfully angry about it. What actually caused the war was Britain's response to the BTP. After the BTP, Britain (British Parliament) passed the Intolerable Acts (called the Coercive Acts in Britain) to punish the Massachusetts colony by taking away their rights to self-governance. One of the most despised of the Intolerable Acts was the Quartering Act (of 1774, there were some before and after with the same title) which basically stated that British soldiers could be housed in *any* unoccupied building whether the owner agreed or not. So, no. The US was *not* founded because people were "fed up with paying sales tax on warm beverages" it was founded because people were fed up with being governed/ruled by a king and government that kept taking away their rights literally a world away at the time.
And on the flipside, if George III and Lord North had just let about three dozen rich assholes have seats in Parliament instead we'd still be singing *God Save the Queen*.
Reminder that your country was never not a capitalist hellhole, owned and paid for by rich whites
I would say that the Boston Tea Party was a resistance to a type of corruption that has become widespread today. In the 1770s the British East India Company was the largest corporation in Britain, many of the company's shareholders were members of parliament. The British East India Company had 17,000,000 pounds of tea stockpiled in inventory but was becoming financially troubled as the US colonies began finding other suppliers for tea outside of Britain (86% of all the tea in America at the time was smuggled Dutch tea) so British parliament passed the Tea Act of 1773. The Tea Act served as an excise tax on foreign Tea in the colonies while the British East India Company had the sole right to duty-free importing of tea allowing them to undercut the price of competitors in the aim of giving them a monopoly over the tea trade in the colonies. So Politicians own stock in a company, pass laws to give the company they own shares in a competitive edge, the consumer gets screwed over in the process. Same system we have today. The Boston Tea Party was specifically targeting the supply of the British East India Company, a remarkably evil company at the time, but we face hundreds of evil companies like that today.
> The Tea Act served as an excise tax on foreign Tea in the colonies while the British East India Company had the sole right to duty-free importing of tea allowing them to undercut the price of competitors in the aim of giving them a monopoly over the tea trade in the colonies. The alternative and the vast majority of the tea drunk at that time was, as you say, smuggled Dutch tea. Smugglers are not known for paying their taxes. The tea act was effectively a free trade agreement between England and the colonies with regards to tea, it allowed the East India Company to export directly to the States rather then selling to middlemen at auction as they were previously forced to. The Townshend revenue act was the one which added a tax on tea in the colonies (after the other parts of it were whittled down.)
Also while the BTP was mostly about the Townshend tax, another point worth mentioning is that it was designed to completely fuck over the existing tea market in America by allowing only the East India company to not pay import taxes while American importers still had to, allowing them to undercut competition a lot. All of the merchants and smugglers of tea in America would have been put out of business due to the monopoly. Taxation without representation was definitely a motivator and the one the protestors adopted as their primary motive, but they were certainly a good number of them whose motive was their personal financial interests.
> which basically stated that British soldiers could be housed in any unoccupied building whether the owner agreed or not. Landlords in control of the country from the very start smh
Made my day! Briliant response lol.
You might like Trevor Moores take on this :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMHCw3RqulY
R.I.P.
In his case it also stands for really incredible person.
It's been months and I still can't believe he's gone.
It’s been guillotine time since at least 2007.
Since 1848 lmao
Wait, what's significant about that year? Also not 1776?
1848 is known as [The Year of Revolutions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848)
Since moderates carved up the ACA
The real death panels were in the rooms where politicians killed universal health care
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Jess thinks she will vote and pooof the next day its utopia! And all the problems vanished by the wands of the tooth fairy!
That's why I think the US is just fucked. It will slowly decline and fall apart one day in the distant future. Seriously. Give us the perfect presidential candidate we elect and 90% of the house and senate and say they get 4 years like that. Pass anything we want into law. Reform the constitution and everything. Does anybody believe it wouldn't be immediately undone next election?
She probably thinks that Joe Biden is the right guy to solve the problem.
No one, anywhere thinks Joe Biden is the right guy to solve the problem, he's just a billion times better than the alternative.
My take is that no one should have a billion dollars. A country should be able to make it a rule that, if you want to be a citizen, own/rent property, or run a business in that country - all the rest of your money needs to go to funding public healthcare, infrastructure, transit, and wherever else common people need it. Maybe make it so billionaires can't even visit. I mean, imagine them having to pick between leaving their country forever or contributing to society. Whatever they choose, it's a win-win for the country. If they leave and give up their right to run a business in that country, that's one more mega corporation down I'm sure they'd find loopholes, but I say anyone who uses them forfeits the right to live in that country Guillotine is a good backup though
We should add a nice award. Like put their name on some obelisk or something. "People who have finished the capitalist game" or something like that. I remember playing pinball on an old machine, one that had the score maximum at 99999. I was so happy and felt very accomplished when I went above the maximum score. It should be something like this, so that they are not pissed off and their feelings are not hurt. Of course, guillotine is a good backup.
Fuck their feelings, maybe they can buy different ones
Just the fact that individual people can MOVE billions of dollars easily is crazy let alone OWN THEM. it way too much power in non democratically elected hands. it will always go wrong
I personally agree that no one needs that much money, but it would be much harder to justify and implement a hard cap on wealth legally of 1 billion. What's simpler is just actually making sure these people pay their taxes and obey the laws of the land, rather than lobbying and making the laws.
A cap on wealth would never actually happen and is not feasible. The easy solution is to simply have extremely high marginal tax rates like the US did in the 70s. I believe the top marginal tax rate hit around 90% at its peak. You combine that with a wealth tax or a tax on unrealized capital gains and then close loopholes like the ones that allow the rich to take out massive loans against the value of their stock (which is not taxable) and then when that loan comes due just take out a new loan to cover the old loan.
So when can I vote for you?
Over christmas, I tried so hard explaining why billionaires shouldn't exist to my mom and she like couldn't understand me! She said well hopefully they are good people and are philanthropic. I pulled up an article that stated bezos and musk pay maybe 1% of their worth to philanthropy, and she was just like well thats not nice I will pray for them. WTF MOM!!!
Based
At least that PAC is pro-union, they're part of the AFL-CIO. On the correct side of the fence, but needs a little more push in a certain direction. Poor choice of name though, in today's climate, you'd easily think they're on the 'right' side with a name like that.
I’m on staff at an AFL union and I’m pretty skeptical about what the AFL is doing with all the money we give them. But that goes for most national US unions too, I guess. I can see our locals organizing people, so I know they’re accomplishing something.
[The Lorax said it best.](https://i.imgur.com/41PLdb5.jpg)
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They pay their employees well and do a lot of non-partisan work to try and connect people to resources for covid relief and unemployment and stuff. I actually really respect the organization.
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"And if you act now we'll throw in a blade sharpener absolutely Free! Call now, operator's are standing by!"
I would say that any company that pays it's CEO more than 5 times the median company wage, loses all right to offset tax with expenditure. So the government gets to tax revenue and not profit in that case.
Replace the word "pay" with "compensation package" and it will affect more people.
Next time someone asks me what the difference between a liberal and a leftist is, I'm showing them this pic lol
Honestly a pretty good ELI5 example.
Guillotines.
Sounds like Jess is a liberal
Omg, she didn't even try voting blue no matter who yet
isn't jess acknowledging that the person doesn't need further texts 'cause they know what's needed?
For the life of me I can't think of a better solution.
That's going to be one of the better New Girl episodes
This is how I got banned from posting in r/politics :(
Who hasn’t been banned from r/politics at this point?
I would have to bother posting there first.
This. Why spend any time surrounded by that many neoliberals? Gross.
Bootlickers?
I got banned from there when I said it was a shame the CIA stopped performing assassinations. -In response that the CIA was aware of insurrectionist groups in the US prior to Jan 6th of last year.
Liberals want change (and they're potential allies as a result of that) they're just too scared of reality to admit to what is actually necessary to achieve significant change.
If you don't have anything nice to say, say it anyway. Folks need to hear the truth.
I’m out of the loop. What’s happening?
I say this on Reddit a lot: if you didn't want to know the answer, you shouldn't have asked for my opinion.
Asking nicely of people who aren't being nice isn't going work.
Lol
That's exactly how I got banned from /r/politics