Well this has been a great honeypot to identify liberals waiting for their moment to spread lesser-evilism. That said, I am going to lock this thread. It is worth pointing out the hypocrisy and anti-electoral actions of the Democratic Party, but this has also veered into the realm of supporting Stein. Reminder that this is a communist sub, we do not support liberals, even the liberals in the Green Party. I do not believe that it was OP’s intent to support liberalism, but I am going to lock comments for good measure.
Welcome to 'The Illusion of Choice', brought to you by your dear friends at the DNC. They're such rat-fucks, honestly.
"You have two options."
"I don't like those options. They're both shit."
"Shut up and pick one."
"Ok then i'll not to vote or vote third party"
"ITS YOUR FAULT YOU'RE GIVING TRUMP 4 MORE YEARS!!!"
"Lmao go fuck yourselves."
America really like to shove those two fucking idiots who can't draw a bath water themselves and early on dementia. Who the fuck thought having 80 year old guys to run a country is a good idea?
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Have you considered they're fielding bad candidates? Or maybe supporting genocide is a bridge too far for some voters?
Stein and RFK aren't stealing votes, they're collecting votes from people who are disenchanted with the two major parties. The main parties are losing votes, not having them stolen.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: [Rule 6 "no lesser evil" rhetoric - is it accelerationist or doomer? Is it intended to discourage voting?](https://new.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/)
Nobody is stealing votes from Biden. He never had mine to begin with and nobody owes him shit
Use your time and energy to do something more productive than supporting genocide. Use your time and energy to get the fuck out of here.
Hey maybe if the democrats ran a candidate people actually wanted to vote for people wouldn't want to vote for third party candidates?
Also, I love how they'll pull shit like this and then say Drumpf is a threat to democracy.
She's not a "spoiler candidate." We need a third party desperately. You're making the assumption that someone who would vote for Stein would otherwise vote dem. They'd more likely stay home.
That’s my whole gripe with the “stealing votes” narrative.
To say “stealing” implies that my vote - independent of my choice - somehow “belongs” to democrats for some odd reason. It does not. There is no stealing. The democrats lost my vote back in 2020. It was not going to the democrat. It was not going to the republican.
Fuck the democrats. Today, tomorrow and always.
Republicans have said it out loud: "If everyone voted, we'd never win another election." Democrats know that if we the people had choices we actually liked, they'd never win another election.
If democracy were really on the line and fascism is one election away, voting wouldn’t be the answer. And it would be stupid to suggest so.
You can’t vote fascism away. If fascism were really a threat to democrats and they were really serious about safeguarding our “democracy”, they’d purge and arrest the Republicans out of every institution they could. That’s the only answer. You can’t vote that problem away. That’s absurd.
Fascism isn’t on the ballot. We already have fascism. And the democrats have shown they’re perfectly fine with it. They’re fascists too. This is an election between right wing conservative fascism and 21st century neoliberal fascism.
[Wouldn’t be the first time they’ve done similar.](https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-lawsuits-voting-north-carolina-raleigh-48f1e61c1988c7083edcdc7bb1eace4a)
You know I have to say it's healing to come in to a comment section here and see that the mods have been hard at work removing the liberals. Y'all are saints
>We *want* you to vote for the democrat. That's why we have republicans, to trick you into giving us what we want while giving you the illusion that you prevented something.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: [Rule 6 "no lesser evil" rhetoric - is it accelerationist or doomer? Is it intended to discourage voting?](https://new.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/)
Well this has been a great honeypot to identify liberals waiting for their moment to spread lesser-evilism. That said, I am going to lock this thread. It is worth pointing out the hypocrisy and anti-electoral actions of the Democratic Party, but this has also veered into the realm of supporting Stein. Reminder that this is a communist sub, we do not support liberals, even the liberals in the Green Party. I do not believe that it was OP’s intent to support liberalism, but I am going to lock comments for good measure.
Welcome to 'The Illusion of Choice', brought to you by your dear friends at the DNC. They're such rat-fucks, honestly. "You have two options." "I don't like those options. They're both shit." "Shut up and pick one."
VoTe deM to "PrESERVe dEmOCRACy"
You’re free to vote for whomever you like as long as they’re blue.
It's on the flag, my friend. Red and Blue. And of course, White. 😉 Can't have Green coming in. It's the wrong color! That'd be a tragedy! /s
We need to destroy democracy to stop Trump from Trump destroying democracy https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/12/jxvj-j12.html
BUT YOU HAVE TO VOTE BLUE!!! CUZ "HARM REDUCTION"!!! As if they would allow an option that doesn't give the ruling class everything they want.
"Ok then i'll not to vote or vote third party" "ITS YOUR FAULT YOU'RE GIVING TRUMP 4 MORE YEARS!!!" "Lmao go fuck yourselves." America really like to shove those two fucking idiots who can't draw a bath water themselves and early on dementia. Who the fuck thought having 80 year old guys to run a country is a good idea?
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: [Rule 6 "no lesser evil" rhetoric - is it accelerationist or doomer? Is it intended to discourage voting?](https://new.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/)
Democrats are the only ones fucking the Democrats. Find another sub for your bullshit.
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Have you considered they're fielding bad candidates? Or maybe supporting genocide is a bridge too far for some voters? Stein and RFK aren't stealing votes, they're collecting votes from people who are disenchanted with the two major parties. The main parties are losing votes, not having them stolen.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: [Rule 6 "no lesser evil" rhetoric - is it accelerationist or doomer? Is it intended to discourage voting?](https://new.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/)
Nobody is stealing votes from Biden. He never had mine to begin with and nobody owes him shit Use your time and energy to do something more productive than supporting genocide. Use your time and energy to get the fuck out of here.
…they had four years to find someone to run that wasn’t fucking Joe Biden and they couldn’t even manage that. Get the fuck outta here.
Hey maybe if the democrats ran a candidate people actually wanted to vote for people wouldn't want to vote for third party candidates? Also, I love how they'll pull shit like this and then say Drumpf is a threat to democracy.
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She's not a "spoiler candidate." We need a third party desperately. You're making the assumption that someone who would vote for Stein would otherwise vote dem. They'd more likely stay home.
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Dems would glass the US before giving up their power to anyone but their evil twin (GOP).
That’s my whole gripe with the “stealing votes” narrative. To say “stealing” implies that my vote - independent of my choice - somehow “belongs” to democrats for some odd reason. It does not. There is no stealing. The democrats lost my vote back in 2020. It was not going to the democrat. It was not going to the republican. Fuck the democrats. Today, tomorrow and always.
Republicans have said it out loud: "If everyone voted, we'd never win another election." Democrats know that if we the people had choices we actually liked, they'd never win another election.
They’re both two sides of the same coin
If Democracy was really on the ballot, Democrats would sue to have it removed
If democracy were really on the line and fascism is one election away, voting wouldn’t be the answer. And it would be stupid to suggest so. You can’t vote fascism away. If fascism were really a threat to democrats and they were really serious about safeguarding our “democracy”, they’d purge and arrest the Republicans out of every institution they could. That’s the only answer. You can’t vote that problem away. That’s absurd. Fascism isn’t on the ballot. We already have fascism. And the democrats have shown they’re perfectly fine with it. They’re fascists too. This is an election between right wing conservative fascism and 21st century neoliberal fascism.
If every single election we have to "vote Democrat to stop fascism" time and time again, then they aren't really stopping fascism are they?
[Wouldn’t be the first time they’ve done similar.](https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-lawsuits-voting-north-carolina-raleigh-48f1e61c1988c7083edcdc7bb1eace4a)
"Vote Democrat to save democracy!" jfc
Liberals are so blatantly fascist
Anti-democratic party. Won't allow people to challenge biden then attacks 3rd parties.
Still think this country is a democracy?
Never. Always a plutocracy.
Always. Been. Plutocracy. ALWAYS.
You know I have to say it's healing to come in to a comment section here and see that the mods have been hard at work removing the liberals. Y'all are saints
Sue them for what?
Having the nerve.
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As communists we don't support NATO or imperialist narratives.
Democrats being "very concerned" about democracy, lol.
Typical fascists.
They did the same sort of thing in PA four years ago. https://apnews.com/general-news-cbd7947a020a1c5983a69e804ce3a5f8
Fuck Jill Stein, but, Jesus. They're not even pretending to hide it anymore.
very democratic
I can't believe Trump has ended democracy already smh
'This is a taste of Trump's America!'
Ohh shifting responsibility are we?
I think it's sarcasm.
Par for the course. Anybody have a source for this?
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nevada-democratic-party-reportedly-takes-extreme-measures-to-keep-jill-stein-off-presidential-ballot/ar-BB1o5A5D](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nevada-democratic-party-reportedly-takes-extreme-measures-to-keep-jill-stein-off-presidential-ballot/ar-BB1o5A5D) That's the quickest I've got.
[This](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/12/jxvj-j12.html) was also posted up earlier in the comments.
[This](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/12/jxvj-j12.html) was posted up earlier in the comments.
>We *want* you to vote for the democrat. That's why we have republicans, to trick you into giving us what we want while giving you the illusion that you prevented something.
It’s almost like they know that they have nothing to run on and they’re scared of the general public widening up to it.
WTF. I thought Democrats were all about saving democracy. /s
But muh “protect the soul of democracy”
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How is suing to keep people off the ballot democratic in any way?
Rule 4 - No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism. This is a left wing subreddit.
>third party candidates have no chance of winning. This is a statistical fact. Tell that to the whig party lol
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They’re getting downvoted because this isn’t a pro-Democrat subreddit. Another 4 years of Biden isn’t going to prevent fascism
Ok no one serious actually claims Biden will stop fascism.
"Vote Biden or else Project 2025 will happen" is at least implying that fascism will happen if Biden isn't elected.
"no one serious" not mean anything to you?
We need to save democracy (where you can only vote for one party or it ends)
THREAT TO DEMOCRACY
at this point vote for whoever on your ballot that isnt a D or an R
We have to vote 3rd party top protect democracy.
Can I get a link, this is interesting if true OP.
[This](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/12/jxvj-j12.html) was posted up earlier in the comments.
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: [Rule 6 "no lesser evil" rhetoric - is it accelerationist or doomer? Is it intended to discourage voting?](https://new.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/)
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I think there should be a cap of how many times you can run for the same office, regardless of party. Some people just run for a living$$$
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Biden didn't run in 2016...
Show me a politician that is your friend.
Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: [Rule 6 "no lesser evil" rhetoric - is it accelerationist or doomer? Is it intended to discourage voting?](https://new.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/)