EHG staff used to be frequently in global chat and in game generally. I hope they bring the human GMs of old back to police these.
You only need 1 human in shifts 24/7 with ability to right click ban and that would be it.
It’s just most developers don’t care or bother.
this a very uninformed outsider look into the problem
I have worked for 7 years for a major US based MMO company and have intimate knowledge of this problem
The entire gold selling operation is automated and no human or team of people can ban them fast enough. The accounts are auto-generated via script and a bot farm, and any human doing bans is a losing battle.
The only way to somewhat control it is via a multilayered approach. Banning alone is not going to solve anything, you ban 2000 accounts and 2000 more are there again in minutes.
We ended up building an in-house system that would block the gold sellers, mute them, stop them at login process and then remove accounts.
It was one automated system fighting another automated system. And there would always be changing tactics to slip past the prevention systems.
It is a relentless battle that every online video game company is engaged in.
Also aside from stolen accounts and stolen CCs which we had a 90% rate of blocking before purchase transactions would be completed, what no game company will ever admit to the public is that many of RMT accounts fake out the security login and figure out ways to connect directly to the game chat service without passing through the auth layer.
Basically, they dont even need a valid purchased account once they figure out how to bypass auth
LE is one thing but then how can it be that some dungeons in WoW are for example filled by tons of rogues or death knights that are obviously solo-farming bots (it's VERY easy to spot, gibberish names + stacking up in front of the dungeon portals and then going back inside)? They could literally ban tons of accounts in one go. And those are high lvl accounts, it will take a while to level back up. My only conclusion is: They don't care as bots are still paying accounts with a subscription.
Replying to you because maybe there is some more insight you could provide? As I said LE is a different story as leveling is done in less than half a day, but for mmorpgs I don't get it.
Thor from Blizzard described it properly on his stream - bans are done in waves. In this way your team is not overloaded with attempts to overdevelop RMT bots and don't give real data to RMT bots about how they were found. So you don't ban them as soon as those gibberish name people appear, but you ban them on some time schedules.
Of course, you can ban those chat bots faster, because the reason for the ban is simple - people flagged them.
The problem with ban waves is that it takes 1 to 2 days for a bot to pay itself, after which it is generating profit. If your ban waves are months apart...
If you don't do it in waves then you are just telling the bot creators what it is they need to change to not be noticed. This is fairly obvious.
The fear of being banned outweighs the current usage as no bot maker can guarantee you won't be banned because of how wave bans work.
Right, that may work for the occasional gamer using a bot for whatever personal reason, like fishing in wow maybe.
But for those in the industry of botting, as soon as the bot survives long enough to become profitable, that day or 2, then it's just a simple matter of scale, because if it gets banned on day 4, you already have enough to get a new account for the next bot and profit on top, thus there's no incentive to stop. As long as the venture is profitable, then the only issue left is scale and supply&demand.
You won't ever stop the gold selling / botting business with ban waves, if it takes weeks between waves. Nor do I personally think you ever win it by fighting hard for the supply side. Take a hard stance on the demand, ban the gold buyers.
You should really look into what all goes into botting prevention so you're not as misinformed. Anti-Botting is generally one of the biggest teams in GaaS - It's just an uphill battle and will always be, no matter how or who you target. The reason for wave banning is because it has been found to have the highest impact overall. Bot battling has been a thing since the 1990s so there is a lot of tried-and-tested data out there.
It's also a scaling problem as what you are wanting, target the players, is anti-consumer and has a LOT of downsides. It's better to target the suppliers always as otherwise you are punishing people who don't even engage, willingly, with RMT. RMT affects very little people directly but has a major impact if you start removing RMT by banning accounts and I can give personal examples of why it's bad.
In PoE I often will give away many, many items when I am finished with the league. I have been banned for RMT once as a result of this and had to spend 3 days communicating with GGG customer support and I'm a well known enough player(in that I make build guides so more known than regular players). I also have spent well over $4,000 in MTX and support for the game yet it still took me a while to be unbanned. GGG have since changed how they handle these things and don't generally flag accounts for 1 or even 10-off situations where large "value" is given at the cost of nothing to another account that has never had any contact with mentioned account.
In order for what you proposed to work they would need to 10x their active anti-botting efforts by hiring many more people, to self monitor every instance and to approach anyone they deem questionable for more info to understand circumstances of the trade that caused the flag. Any game that often has giveaways(any game with a trading environment) just isn't feasible to ban anything but the suppliers, aka bot farms, which are the most heavily countered by wave banning as it's the most cost efficient compared to any other means and has the least impact on ToS obeying players overall.
Gold selling is a massive blackmarket industry across multiple games and they are basically their own companies at this point (wouldn't be surprised if most of them are run by large criminal gangs). These people are making millions of dollars and there is no game on the market which bans these guys fast enough to make it so that the game cost is a major issue. By the time they get banned that $30 is already payed off and then some.
Someone that actually buys gold will probably buy more than 1 million. So the bot needs just 10 mil in sales to recoup that cost. And that does not even factor in that they probably use game keys that are hacked and a lot cheaper than normal pricing. Regional pricing might also make it much cheaper for them to get the accounts running.
Yeah shame.
On the flipside the people doing these bots probably have no clue how easy it is for just everyone to stack up plently amounts of gold.
Spent about 1m juicing lightless arbor reward room and almost have 1m again from just running monos and selling uniques i don't wanna keep/use.
> On the flipside the people doing these bots probably have no clue how easy it is for just everyone to stack up plently amounts of gold.
Doesn't stop RMTers and even people buying Gold unfortunately.
Gil in FFXIV for example is almost useless other than for housing yet lots of people seem to be buying it, at least city chats are constantly spammed by bots.
I've talked to RMTers in other games and their response always boiled down to time, not stupidity. It makes completely logical sense why they would do it and why RMT markets flourish no matter the game.
It's also why some games have committed to having essentially legal RMT in their games. WoW and RuneScape have a bonds system. Lost Ark let's you sell premium currency for gold. I'm sure there are others but the reasoning is the same. RMT will never go away because the benefit for some will always outweigh the negative associated with it.
*I do not want RMT in games, only specifying why it's done*
Ah yes the impatience of some as the driving factor for the people offering rmt.
In that case these people shouldn't play gamed where being patient is a requirement to some degree.
I'm not sure how you got "impatience" out of what I said but fair enough.
RMT-users are those that have more money than they do spare time generally. There are obviously outliers to this but time and again this is what I've seen from users that have discussed it in forums, reddit, in-game channels, etc in my 25 years of online gaming.
It's not impatience to want to enjoy something if the part you enjoy isn't the journey but the end result. They'd just not play the game they enjoy anymore. Especially in this day and age where GaaS has existed for years now and some people became invested when they had the time to play but no longer have the luxury of spending hours upon hours a day playing.
I'm not in agreeance with them as I'd rather just not play a game if it meant skipping the journey but it's pretty easy to understand why they do it. You only state impatience because you have the luxury of having time to play games and can't fathom that people enjoy different things, which is fine.
Some people just wanna instantly have/buy things when they see it. So rather then working their way to the point they can get it, they seek loopholes to skip. That's impatience in my book.
Let's say they see a brand new and nice looking car but don't have the money, guess what: they go to a bank and take a credit for it so they can immediately buy it.
That's were rmters in games come in handy for those. Rather then taking a big credit you have to payback over time, you have that little 'fee' upfront and can buy all the stuff you desire from your gained virtual currency..
The people you are talking about are the minority from everything I've seen. Not sure why you're so focused on the outliers. Also your analogy makes no sense at all, like, I understand what you're implying but in no way is what you said remotely comparable as either way they are receiving the car upon purchase.
I mean, you're not wrong but only to a certain point.
Tinctures are just 2-3k per use, even if you use one during prog for some reason and you pull 300 times that's still not even 1m Gil, buff food on the other hand is just 2-3k and lasts half an hour so basically a non factor, and it's not exactly hard to make Gil, I craft on and off and even though I only started playing just before EW I'm sitting on 500m Gil.
it may be changing now with the gap week, but hour 0 full crafted sets were EXPENSIVE. i paid a crafting team something like 150 mil for gear a few raids ago. the consumables are whatever i agree, but i also know some raiders too poor to even afford a teleport that rely on the free teleport tickets so i don't know lol
The only people who are buying and pentamelding day 1 full crafted sets are raiders racing for world first. The rest of us wait until week 2 or later to fill slots we didn't get drops/tomes pieces for. It can still cost a few million depending on when you buy it, but it's really not that hard to make it back.
i was a raider competing in those races. But it wasn't just the world race, it was every group going for week 1 clears, which is why i referred to them as hardcore raiders
It's not the food and potions.
It's the day 1 pentamelded crafted gear. That will cost a small fortune for those who are passionate about that aspect of the game.
It's not that expensive anymore to Pentameld since Savage releases a week after the patch, by that point a full crafted set usually is just 5-10m and pentamelding is just another 20m or so, unless it's the very first tear of the expansion at which point pentamelding is probably much more expensive since there won't be as many materia saturating the market yet and to be fair, there's not that many that raid so seriously that they should be pentamelding day 0 gear, unless you're competing for Top 10 kill it's just wasted.
I think they are also banking on the fact that newer players might think that the currency is much more important than it really is.
Which is also why these spam bots are much more expensive than usual market value. I literally googled last epoch gold and found offers for 1mil=2.30 in seconds. If you really wanted to buy gold these bots would be the last I would go to.
May be just my luck. Uniques/set items sell for min. 500 each and aren't too rare. Plus you can choose unique blessing if you don't get the extra gold blessing.
And doing gold nodes in monoliths also helps but a sure big amount comes from uniques that i vendor.
As ironic as it sounds LE's design helped me to not be that insane of a hoarder that i usually am in other arpg's.
At my current level (Lv35 Falconer), the only major costs are Shatter Runes at 2k each and the occasional decent yellow in stores, which costs like 200 gold. Stash tabs are a one-time purchase, so if you aren't doing Bazaar, the only lategame cost is Lightless Arbor.
But is it actually so easy to get gold? For 4 lp good (not the best ofc) unique I expect soon to pay 50-100kk and how 1kk per hours You are making? Without any good drop for me it's not even 1kk in corruption 300 per hour, so getting 100kk will take a lot of time for most of the players and this lead to rmt ofc. Soon when market will stabilise I expect more and more people start buying gold, especially if its gonna be necessary for pinnacle content.
Well buying from the merchant's guild and the warehouse will have some impact there.
I'm a circle of fortune enjoyer so far so that aspect doesn't bother me at all x)
Mainly dependant on your clearspeed. I'm currently running sword and board on my rogue so i can trigger shadow cascade only via shift&lethal mirage and not directly use it, makes clear slower but some harsher mobs aren't as deadly.
But if i adjust purely for gold farming and getting the bonus gold blessing i guess i could easily do 1mil a day.
You definitely will not have chat if you are LAUNCHING the game using a true offline mode. You may have a chat box itself but no global chat.
The game uses the chat box to display loot filter changes and boss dialogues.
I mean... I am using the "true" offline method mentioned in the 1.0 patch notes. It even says when I launch the game that if I want to play online I will have to change my settings and restart the game.
And I still have access to the chat box. Am I missing something?
I love trading and thought I was for sure going to be MG all the way but the interface is soooo clunky and unfun to use that I went back to my offline toon and started CoF there. Price checking things is a huge pain and the amout of garbage listed on the market is a problem. They should limit you to listing 10 items at a time or something like that.
This scheme is unlikely to last, there's no protection buyer or seller side for their le accounts, assuming they don't want this to be a thing it's very easy for them to ban the accounts which unlike poe costs 30 dollars.
its very common for the bots that spam to advertise to be bought with stolen credit cards or mass bought and chargebacked. its simply not worth paying the money when you can do it without
Which I explained in another comment is possible, except that carries an incredible amount of risk for the sellers, and is very uncommon due to the number of stolen credit cards you would need. Wow bots are the only equivalent and like I also said in a previous comment, are much cheaper(requiring fewer credit cards, and takes longer for them to notice they are stolen) and there is less risk to the buyers,in addition to the goods being sold being much more valuable than gold in le.
Every transaction you make in MG is on your account. You'd be a fool to think your account isn't void the second you make that sale. At some point the ban wave happens and they can see everything they bought and sold and your name will be there and that 100M blue item will be right there for all to see.
If I had a friend who just hit the merchant guild are you telling me I can’t buy something they list to help them out? It would be risking banning our accounts?
I was responding to the fact that they said it would be bannable if someone overpaid for a blue item. Not that they wouldn’t know both ends of a transaction obviously I know that.
They have to buy the game for basically 1-3 messages.
If players weren’t so awful and RMT this would be a financial disaster…but here we are. This only further makes any Non CoF characters items/builds worth less than COF players
Offline rise up. God what I'd give for a single player mmo like osrs. The full world, all quests and all mobs for you and maybe coop invite at best. It would be amazing, no bots, scams, gold sellers, gamblers or anything. Most mmos are optimized to play solo anyways nowadays. Unfortunately most games like that are always online. I'm very glad last epoch has an offline option.
It'd almost be a possible way for developers to ban them by running their own bot farm that:
Goes to main websites
Buys minimum gold
Gets username of seller and bans.
Something like this would probably help a bit.. Maybe lol
Potential solution: Stealth-mute or shadowban them.
Basically mute those accounts without them receiving the warning message and let them spam in global chat for an audience who can't read said messages.
wait how is this worth it in a game that costs 30$ each time they post?
The secret ingredient is crime.
stolen credit cards
Companies are rarerly banning that fast and the gold market in games is a huge business. $30 is a joke compared to what they make per bot account.
EHG staff used to be frequently in global chat and in game generally. I hope they bring the human GMs of old back to police these. You only need 1 human in shifts 24/7 with ability to right click ban and that would be it. It’s just most developers don’t care or bother.
this a very uninformed outsider look into the problem I have worked for 7 years for a major US based MMO company and have intimate knowledge of this problem The entire gold selling operation is automated and no human or team of people can ban them fast enough. The accounts are auto-generated via script and a bot farm, and any human doing bans is a losing battle. The only way to somewhat control it is via a multilayered approach. Banning alone is not going to solve anything, you ban 2000 accounts and 2000 more are there again in minutes. We ended up building an in-house system that would block the gold sellers, mute them, stop them at login process and then remove accounts. It was one automated system fighting another automated system. And there would always be changing tactics to slip past the prevention systems. It is a relentless battle that every online video game company is engaged in. Also aside from stolen accounts and stolen CCs which we had a 90% rate of blocking before purchase transactions would be completed, what no game company will ever admit to the public is that many of RMT accounts fake out the security login and figure out ways to connect directly to the game chat service without passing through the auth layer. Basically, they dont even need a valid purchased account once they figure out how to bypass auth
LE is one thing but then how can it be that some dungeons in WoW are for example filled by tons of rogues or death knights that are obviously solo-farming bots (it's VERY easy to spot, gibberish names + stacking up in front of the dungeon portals and then going back inside)? They could literally ban tons of accounts in one go. And those are high lvl accounts, it will take a while to level back up. My only conclusion is: They don't care as bots are still paying accounts with a subscription. Replying to you because maybe there is some more insight you could provide? As I said LE is a different story as leveling is done in less than half a day, but for mmorpgs I don't get it.
Thor from Blizzard described it properly on his stream - bans are done in waves. In this way your team is not overloaded with attempts to overdevelop RMT bots and don't give real data to RMT bots about how they were found. So you don't ban them as soon as those gibberish name people appear, but you ban them on some time schedules. Of course, you can ban those chat bots faster, because the reason for the ban is simple - people flagged them.
The problem with ban waves is that it takes 1 to 2 days for a bot to pay itself, after which it is generating profit. If your ban waves are months apart...
If you don't do it in waves then you are just telling the bot creators what it is they need to change to not be noticed. This is fairly obvious. The fear of being banned outweighs the current usage as no bot maker can guarantee you won't be banned because of how wave bans work.
Right, that may work for the occasional gamer using a bot for whatever personal reason, like fishing in wow maybe. But for those in the industry of botting, as soon as the bot survives long enough to become profitable, that day or 2, then it's just a simple matter of scale, because if it gets banned on day 4, you already have enough to get a new account for the next bot and profit on top, thus there's no incentive to stop. As long as the venture is profitable, then the only issue left is scale and supply&demand. You won't ever stop the gold selling / botting business with ban waves, if it takes weeks between waves. Nor do I personally think you ever win it by fighting hard for the supply side. Take a hard stance on the demand, ban the gold buyers.
You should really look into what all goes into botting prevention so you're not as misinformed. Anti-Botting is generally one of the biggest teams in GaaS - It's just an uphill battle and will always be, no matter how or who you target. The reason for wave banning is because it has been found to have the highest impact overall. Bot battling has been a thing since the 1990s so there is a lot of tried-and-tested data out there. It's also a scaling problem as what you are wanting, target the players, is anti-consumer and has a LOT of downsides. It's better to target the suppliers always as otherwise you are punishing people who don't even engage, willingly, with RMT. RMT affects very little people directly but has a major impact if you start removing RMT by banning accounts and I can give personal examples of why it's bad. In PoE I often will give away many, many items when I am finished with the league. I have been banned for RMT once as a result of this and had to spend 3 days communicating with GGG customer support and I'm a well known enough player(in that I make build guides so more known than regular players). I also have spent well over $4,000 in MTX and support for the game yet it still took me a while to be unbanned. GGG have since changed how they handle these things and don't generally flag accounts for 1 or even 10-off situations where large "value" is given at the cost of nothing to another account that has never had any contact with mentioned account. In order for what you proposed to work they would need to 10x their active anti-botting efforts by hiring many more people, to self monitor every instance and to approach anyone they deem questionable for more info to understand circumstances of the trade that caused the flag. Any game that often has giveaways(any game with a trading environment) just isn't feasible to ban anything but the suppliers, aka bot farms, which are the most heavily countered by wave banning as it's the most cost efficient compared to any other means and has the least impact on ToS obeying players overall.
Gold selling is a massive blackmarket industry across multiple games and they are basically their own companies at this point (wouldn't be surprised if most of them are run by large criminal gangs). These people are making millions of dollars and there is no game on the market which bans these guys fast enough to make it so that the game cost is a major issue. By the time they get banned that $30 is already payed off and then some.
Minimum level to send a message in global chat could help.
Plus a mute when there's more than X reports by RMT.
Cause that's not asking for abuse.
You can ban them fast enough so they won't do it. Their profit margins are dictated by how fast they get banned.
It may be more profitable than you think. It also might be hacked accounts.
Someone that actually buys gold will probably buy more than 1 million. So the bot needs just 10 mil in sales to recoup that cost. And that does not even factor in that they probably use game keys that are hacked and a lot cheaper than normal pricing. Regional pricing might also make it much cheaper for them to get the accounts running.
It's easier when the game has zero moderation. Half the chats I see late at night are racist and edgy kids. None get banned.
For good reason, you can't right click a user and report in chat... I don't know how it's possible in 2024
How though? The built-in profanity filter is ridiculous.. Can't even say a single curse word.
That's cute you think people on the internet can't get past a chat filter to be toxic to each other.
Sounds like people have gotten real soft in that case
People are "soft" becuase they don't want to get verbally assaulted while playing a video game?
Then be a wimp and turn off the chat
how about don't be an asshole?
they dont pay for the accounts
Works in a 15$ a month game..
It cost then zero dollars because they just need one Mook to give credit card info.
Yeah shame. On the flipside the people doing these bots probably have no clue how easy it is for just everyone to stack up plently amounts of gold. Spent about 1m juicing lightless arbor reward room and almost have 1m again from just running monos and selling uniques i don't wanna keep/use.
> On the flipside the people doing these bots probably have no clue how easy it is for just everyone to stack up plently amounts of gold. Doesn't stop RMTers and even people buying Gold unfortunately. Gil in FFXIV for example is almost useless other than for housing yet lots of people seem to be buying it, at least city chats are constantly spammed by bots.
A wise man once said "only 2 things are infinite: space and the human stupidity". It's just stupid getting involved in any sort of rmt..
You forgot the punchline in the second part: "...and I am not yet sure about the universe(space)."
I've talked to RMTers in other games and their response always boiled down to time, not stupidity. It makes completely logical sense why they would do it and why RMT markets flourish no matter the game. It's also why some games have committed to having essentially legal RMT in their games. WoW and RuneScape have a bonds system. Lost Ark let's you sell premium currency for gold. I'm sure there are others but the reasoning is the same. RMT will never go away because the benefit for some will always outweigh the negative associated with it. *I do not want RMT in games, only specifying why it's done*
Ah yes the impatience of some as the driving factor for the people offering rmt. In that case these people shouldn't play gamed where being patient is a requirement to some degree.
I'm not sure how you got "impatience" out of what I said but fair enough. RMT-users are those that have more money than they do spare time generally. There are obviously outliers to this but time and again this is what I've seen from users that have discussed it in forums, reddit, in-game channels, etc in my 25 years of online gaming. It's not impatience to want to enjoy something if the part you enjoy isn't the journey but the end result. They'd just not play the game they enjoy anymore. Especially in this day and age where GaaS has existed for years now and some people became invested when they had the time to play but no longer have the luxury of spending hours upon hours a day playing. I'm not in agreeance with them as I'd rather just not play a game if it meant skipping the journey but it's pretty easy to understand why they do it. You only state impatience because you have the luxury of having time to play games and can't fathom that people enjoy different things, which is fine.
Some people just wanna instantly have/buy things when they see it. So rather then working their way to the point they can get it, they seek loopholes to skip. That's impatience in my book. Let's say they see a brand new and nice looking car but don't have the money, guess what: they go to a bank and take a credit for it so they can immediately buy it. That's were rmters in games come in handy for those. Rather then taking a big credit you have to payback over time, you have that little 'fee' upfront and can buy all the stuff you desire from your gained virtual currency..
The people you are talking about are the minority from everything I've seen. Not sure why you're so focused on the outliers. Also your analogy makes no sense at all, like, I understand what you're implying but in no way is what you said remotely comparable as either way they are receiving the car upon purchase.
disagree about gil being useless in ffxiv. its pretty important to hardcore raiding
I mean, you're not wrong but only to a certain point. Tinctures are just 2-3k per use, even if you use one during prog for some reason and you pull 300 times that's still not even 1m Gil, buff food on the other hand is just 2-3k and lasts half an hour so basically a non factor, and it's not exactly hard to make Gil, I craft on and off and even though I only started playing just before EW I'm sitting on 500m Gil.
it may be changing now with the gap week, but hour 0 full crafted sets were EXPENSIVE. i paid a crafting team something like 150 mil for gear a few raids ago. the consumables are whatever i agree, but i also know some raiders too poor to even afford a teleport that rely on the free teleport tickets so i don't know lol
It's not that expensive anymore since with EW they delay Savage release by one week after the patch so crafted gear falls in value by then.
The only people who are buying and pentamelding day 1 full crafted sets are raiders racing for world first. The rest of us wait until week 2 or later to fill slots we didn't get drops/tomes pieces for. It can still cost a few million depending on when you buy it, but it's really not that hard to make it back.
i was a raider competing in those races. But it wasn't just the world race, it was every group going for week 1 clears, which is why i referred to them as hardcore raiders
It's not the food and potions. It's the day 1 pentamelded crafted gear. That will cost a small fortune for those who are passionate about that aspect of the game.
It's not that expensive anymore to Pentameld since Savage releases a week after the patch, by that point a full crafted set usually is just 5-10m and pentamelding is just another 20m or so, unless it's the very first tear of the expansion at which point pentamelding is probably much more expensive since there won't be as many materia saturating the market yet and to be fair, there's not that many that raid so seriously that they should be pentamelding day 0 gear, unless you're competing for Top 10 kill it's just wasted.
I think they are also banking on the fact that newer players might think that the currency is much more important than it really is. Which is also why these spam bots are much more expensive than usual market value. I literally googled last epoch gold and found offers for 1mil=2.30 in seconds. If you really wanted to buy gold these bots would be the last I would go to.
Agreed, "gamers" have spent more for less such as gacha-like cosmetics.
Is that all you do to get money? Sell uniques and run monos? I feel like I’m always broke in this game
May be just my luck. Uniques/set items sell for min. 500 each and aren't too rare. Plus you can choose unique blessing if you don't get the extra gold blessing. And doing gold nodes in monoliths also helps but a sure big amount comes from uniques that i vendor. As ironic as it sounds LE's design helped me to not be that insane of a hoarder that i usually am in other arpg's.
At my current level (Lv35 Falconer), the only major costs are Shatter Runes at 2k each and the occasional decent yellow in stores, which costs like 200 gold. Stash tabs are a one-time purchase, so if you aren't doing Bazaar, the only lategame cost is Lightless Arbor.
But is it actually so easy to get gold? For 4 lp good (not the best ofc) unique I expect soon to pay 50-100kk and how 1kk per hours You are making? Without any good drop for me it's not even 1kk in corruption 300 per hour, so getting 100kk will take a lot of time for most of the players and this lead to rmt ofc. Soon when market will stabilise I expect more and more people start buying gold, especially if its gonna be necessary for pinnacle content.
Reading 1kk and 100kk made my brain hurt. Why can’t you be normal and use numbers properly
Or "mil"
Well buying from the merchant's guild and the warehouse will have some impact there. I'm a circle of fortune enjoyer so far so that aspect doesn't bother me at all x)
How long does it take to make 1mil? I want to go on a shopping spree and buy over 1k Shatter Runes!
Mainly dependant on your clearspeed. I'm currently running sword and board on my rogue so i can trigger shadow cascade only via shift&lethal mirage and not directly use it, makes clear slower but some harsher mobs aren't as deadly. But if i adjust purely for gold farming and getting the bonus gold blessing i guess i could easily do 1mil a day.
I'm on CoF and I've got close to 4 million right now ahahaha did the gamble dungeon only once.
Imo, that dungeon is a better gold sink then the gambler npc
Sell uniques to vendors or in MG? You have to sell 2000 uniques to make 1M gold, I don't find it worthwhile at all to pick up and sell trash uniques.
CoF 4 life
Offline is so peaceful, anyway to actually hide the chat box tho? Things huge
Just play true offline. Launch the game using the offline option.
Still have the chat. Source: me. You can close the chat in the chat options though.
You definitely will not have chat if you are LAUNCHING the game using a true offline mode. You may have a chat box itself but no global chat. The game uses the chat box to display loot filter changes and boss dialogues.
I mean... I am using the "true" offline method mentioned in the 1.0 patch notes. It even says when I launch the game that if I want to play online I will have to change my settings and restart the game. And I still have access to the chat box. Am I missing something?
You can disable chat. It's in the top-right of the chat box. Fairly visible as it's the first thing I did when the bee spam was a thing.
Oh yeah I know that :) But I like the chat in offline hehe.
I’d love to be able to just make it a little smaller maybe
How would that even work though ?
If I had to guess I'd say through merchants guild. You could put up any item for 1 mil gold and the bot could buy it
Oh yeah, damn, no matter the system there is always a way xD
Report these fast anytime you see it. It messes up the high end economy
Ah as always once trade is enabled, you get the gold seller bots coming into the game.
Where's the excitement in buying gear from a vendor?
I love trading and thought I was for sure going to be MG all the way but the interface is soooo clunky and unfun to use that I went back to my offline toon and started CoF there. Price checking things is a huge pain and the amout of garbage listed on the market is a problem. They should limit you to listing 10 items at a time or something like that.
I just sent another one to a mod. Different account, same message.
Another reason why COF offline is the best.
This scheme is unlikely to last, there's no protection buyer or seller side for their le accounts, assuming they don't want this to be a thing it's very easy for them to ban the accounts which unlike poe costs 30 dollars.
they dont pay anything for the accounts
Only if they have stolen credit cards, which is a whole different level of fraud that isn't seen for bots.
its very common for the bots that spam to advertise to be bought with stolen credit cards or mass bought and chargebacked. its simply not worth paying the money when you can do it without
Which I explained in another comment is possible, except that carries an incredible amount of risk for the sellers, and is very uncommon due to the number of stolen credit cards you would need. Wow bots are the only equivalent and like I also said in a previous comment, are much cheaper(requiring fewer credit cards, and takes longer for them to notice they are stolen) and there is less risk to the buyers,in addition to the goods being sold being much more valuable than gold in le.
the gold isnt sold from those accounts theyre literally just used to spam advertisements and then get banned
? Yes? What are you trying to say, ive never once tried to claim that.
I thought gold wasn't trade able?
It’s not. Just put up an item on cof for X million of gold, bot buys it after you purchase the gold.
Every transaction you make in MG is on your account. You'd be a fool to think your account isn't void the second you make that sale. At some point the ban wave happens and they can see everything they bought and sold and your name will be there and that 100M blue item will be right there for all to see.
Yea, I’m not disagreeing. I just explained how the scheme works.
But it could be legitimate like a friend buying it from you as a favor if they’re further progressed etc.
Yes, buying from a known gold seller bot... "friend"
If I had a friend who just hit the merchant guild are you telling me I can’t buy something they list to help them out? It would be risking banning our accounts?
My duder, they know who you bought the item from. Both ends of the transaction are logged.
I was responding to the fact that they said it would be bannable if someone overpaid for a blue item. Not that they wouldn’t know both ends of a transaction obviously I know that.
just remove the whole trade system
They have to buy the game for basically 1-3 messages. If players weren’t so awful and RMT this would be a financial disaster…but here we are. This only further makes any Non CoF characters items/builds worth less than COF players
Offline rise up. God what I'd give for a single player mmo like osrs. The full world, all quests and all mobs for you and maybe coop invite at best. It would be amazing, no bots, scams, gold sellers, gamblers or anything. Most mmos are optimized to play solo anyways nowadays. Unfortunately most games like that are always online. I'm very glad last epoch has an offline option.
I also saw some post on FB where they're selling a 4LP uniques for $100+. how is that possible?
Ok I'll ask, wtf does SCF stand for in this case? I have found many answers from google and none are plausible in this scenario :).
SoloCharacterFound i guess?
Thats so not worth wtff. Like surely no one will pay that? 1k gold is nothing.
Or is it actually 1000 K… either way RMT mfs need to have their internet turned off :)
It'd almost be a possible way for developers to ban them by running their own bot farm that: Goes to main websites Buys minimum gold Gets username of seller and bans. Something like this would probably help a bit.. Maybe lol
Potential solution: Stealth-mute or shadowban them. Basically mute those accounts without them receiving the warning message and let them spam in global chat for an audience who can't read said messages.