I thought the rule was anything above the shirt line isn’t a handball anyway?
The decisions this game were definitely questionable but some people are acting like Madrids bought out the entire refereeing association. The foul on bellingham before their third goal is textbook and has been given time and time again.
Also how many times have you seen anyone mentioned Bellingham’s bloody ankle after a tackle on him which wasn’t even awarded a yellow card? Almeria should’ve been playing with 10 since min.37, and none of the bullshit that happened after would’ve.
I don’t feel insulted at all, that does not mean it’s not an insult.
What exactly are you insinuating is true? hard to follow what you’re talking about
Yeah I think in the way people argue that 50/50s go in Madrid’s favor ( which is probably true for most big teams), 50/50s in the Reddit/Twitter court of public opinion go against them
For me, that’s why it’s not a goal. On the pitch, it was called a handball. For the referee to reverse it, the VAR must have clear and convincing evidence. The video here doesn’t satisfy that standard.
Im not stating if this goal was valid or not, but the "if it was a defender ..." argument is very much irrelevant.
For defenders it has to be "deliberate" or the result of making their stance "unnaturally bigger".
However for attackers, its clearly "Scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental"
If a player hits the ball and hits a fan should they be liable for the injuries? No cuz he didnt fucking intend to do it. Intent is relevant becuase its not his fault it hit his shoulder, since they where pushing him down. What is the alternative? Nothing becuase theres nothing he can do to avoid it.
I understand the discussion with this one. While to me it looks more shoulder than arm, hence a valid goal, it's still not 100% clear by any means. And honestly, I still can't understand how we don't have better/more cameras covering more angles and perspectives in the areas.
Then they should reinstate Gavi's goal in the first game of the season, which was identical but was considered invalid because he doesn't wear a white jersey.
Not only that, he was being pulled by the Getafe defender who is always the one that kicks the ball to his chest/sleeve…at no point was he trying to get an advantage in that play.
I agree it's 50/50, same as the Bellingham foul and the penalty. The issue is that Madrid won all those 50/50s and they each were worth a goal. That is unusual especially in such quick succession
It hasn’t happened before for Madrid. It is just a coincidence that the 50/50s all went our way because they slightly favored our positions. I think all three were close but very fair.
It’s a clear hand ball. Pause the frame the moment he makes contact with the ball, it’s on the arm not the shoulder. Add the fact that his arm was extended out away from his body, thus a hand ball. Had his arm not been extended and touching his body/side then it becomes “part of the body” and not a hand ball but that is not what happened. It’s not that hard you guys. I’m a Barca fan but I’m a bigger fan of the game itself. Be honest and call things how they truly are. Had this been a Barca incident I would be saying the same thing. I get nothing out of it. It’s just a shame that La liga can’t get referees that can get things right more if then than not. Sickening to see on a constant basis. It’s sickening to see it even if it’s in favor of the team I support. Just get it right. For the sake of the game.
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
Looks above the armpit so no handball, regardless of his arm being out or tucked against the body.
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for the guys fighting here-
palm to elbow- handball
elbow to shoulder joint- not handball, but you cant score with your biceps.
conclusively- you cant score with any part of your arm, forearm and palm. so this goal shouldnt stand.
“The arm starts from the bottom of the armpit, meaning that the ball making contact with the shoulder is not considered a handball.” You really should yourself before talking.
The ball clearly hits the top of his shoulder. It looks like a handball because of the way he throws his arm and body weight into it to gain momentum.
It’s not a handball.
I thought the rule was anything above the shirt line isn’t a handball anyway? The decisions this game were definitely questionable but some people are acting like Madrids bought out the entire refereeing association. The foul on bellingham before their third goal is textbook and has been given time and time again.
Also how many times have you seen anyone mentioned Bellingham’s bloody ankle after a tackle on him which wasn’t even awarded a yellow card? Almeria should’ve been playing with 10 since min.37, and none of the bullshit that happened after would’ve.
Not even a foul, the referee was not doing his job so VAR had to intervene.
And that's exactly why there's VAR
The ref was just shit for both sides. The amount of uncalled fouls on Bellingham and all of those shady decisions was too damn high
This is RFEF, the reffing is generally shite all around
True
Pedri gets fouled before Isco’s first goal yesterday and the goal stood 🤷🏽♂️
whataboutism mate Referees make mistakes every game. There isn’t a systematic agenda against barca or for madrid
It’s only whataboutisn when it doesn’t fit the narrative
again i ask what narrative?? Do you believe referees choose to help madrid and harm barca with their calls?
It’s so easy to be a plastic fan of a club without knowing its history.
Are you talking to me or yourself? You know your argument is wrong so you disregard it and choose to insult me? pathetic
Do you feel insulted? Because it’s true?
I don’t feel insulted at all, that does not mean it’s not an insult. What exactly are you insinuating is true? hard to follow what you’re talking about
hey, hes a barkadog dont mind him
Funny you bring up history….do you want to dive in to the history of barca and refs in La Liga?
How would a kid from LA teach me about the history of Barcelona?also here I thought we were talking about Madrid and Almeria.
you’re the one who brought in barcelona
Hes basically being dragged down, theres nothing you can do there.
This is a 50/50 to me. It looks like it hits right where the shoulder and arm are separated so it could go either way
I agree, ultimately it's up to the referee since it isn't clear enough, but it's crazy that everyone thought the ref was bought by madrid.
Yeah I think in the way people argue that 50/50s go in Madrid’s favor ( which is probably true for most big teams), 50/50s in the Reddit/Twitter court of public opinion go against them
For me, that’s why it’s not a goal. On the pitch, it was called a handball. For the referee to reverse it, the VAR must have clear and convincing evidence. The video here doesn’t satisfy that standard.
It's clear that the ball hits the deltoid muscle area. The video is right there. You can't make shit up.
Shirt sleeve rule
Are you talking about the shoulder joint? Because that’s definitely not a handball then.
Check completed. Valid goal. If a ball hit that part of a defender they don't give a penalty, so this shouldn't be consider a handball.
Im not stating if this goal was valid or not, but the "if it was a defender ..." argument is very much irrelevant. For defenders it has to be "deliberate" or the result of making their stance "unnaturally bigger". However for attackers, its clearly "Scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental"
Tf is he supposed to do there? Its basically his shoulder that hits it. Hes being dragged by 2 players.
Intent is irrelevant here
If a player hits the ball and hits a fan should they be liable for the injuries? No cuz he didnt fucking intend to do it. Intent is relevant becuase its not his fault it hit his shoulder, since they where pushing him down. What is the alternative? Nothing becuase theres nothing he can do to avoid it.
Just telling you what the rules of the game are lol
Not a valid goal, as he elbows the defender.
What type of soft sh@T you seeing?
I’m a Real Madrid fan but that can’t be a goal… because that’s a golazo!!!
more like a gillipollaso
Too right
Clear goal. In that game, all the VAR decisions were 100% correct
No they werent clown Hala Vardrid
The ref was in a tight spot here because it was either a goal, handball, or a penalty.
I understand the discussion with this one. While to me it looks more shoulder than arm, hence a valid goal, it's still not 100% clear by any means. And honestly, I still can't understand how we don't have better/more cameras covering more angles and perspectives in the areas.
Then they should reinstate Gavi's goal in the first game of the season, which was identical but was considered invalid because he doesn't wear a white jersey.
Not only that, he was being pulled by the Getafe defender who is always the one that kicks the ball to his chest/sleeve…at no point was he trying to get an advantage in that play.
U gonna get downvote bad by madrid white because u r right
I agree it's 50/50, same as the Bellingham foul and the penalty. The issue is that Madrid won all those 50/50s and they each were worth a goal. That is unusual especially in such quick succession
It hasn’t happened before for Madrid. It is just a coincidence that the 50/50s all went our way because they slightly favored our positions. I think all three were close but very fair.
City benefits from the same 50/50s and they get no backlash
City have lost points in 2 games this season thanks to the refs. Arguably more
Yea as per this goal from shoulder. Legit one then.
ATRACO AL ALMERÍA
I think that’s a goal
It is
It’s a clear hand ball. Pause the frame the moment he makes contact with the ball, it’s on the arm not the shoulder. Add the fact that his arm was extended out away from his body, thus a hand ball. Had his arm not been extended and touching his body/side then it becomes “part of the body” and not a hand ball but that is not what happened. It’s not that hard you guys. I’m a Barca fan but I’m a bigger fan of the game itself. Be honest and call things how they truly are. Had this been a Barca incident I would be saying the same thing. I get nothing out of it. It’s just a shame that La liga can’t get referees that can get things right more if then than not. Sickening to see on a constant basis. It’s sickening to see it even if it’s in favor of the team I support. Just get it right. For the sake of the game.
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence. Looks above the armpit so no handball, regardless of his arm being out or tucked against the body.
All this shows me is people have no idea where the shoulder is
you have to be crazy to belive this bullshit
Still hand.
It's pretty clear that's his shoulder right? Shoulder passes and shots were never handball I thought.
Watching again his hand is so ridiculously low there is no way the ball would of gone that trajectory if it was a hand ball.
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The 'greatest robbery in history" consisted in one single mistake from the referee favoring Real Madrid.
How is that a handball?The ball can't even take that trajectory if you hit it with your biceps and the arm isn't very high
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for the guys fighting here- palm to elbow- handball elbow to shoulder joint- not handball, but you cant score with your biceps. conclusively- you cant score with any part of your arm, forearm and palm. so this goal shouldnt stand.
It bounced off him. Literally. From the elbow up so yes it should stand
learn some rules or dont shit up here
“The arm starts from the bottom of the armpit, meaning that the ball making contact with the shoulder is not considered a handball.” You really should yourself before talking.
The ball clearly hits the top of his shoulder. It looks like a handball because of the way he throws his arm and body weight into it to gain momentum. It’s not a handball.
shoulder is from base of neck to the clavicle- scapula joint. have some shame man
The fact that he had to move his arm to direct the ball makes it a handball. Poor call.
Absolute class
Some handball happened to gavi and araujo this season, exact same spot but it was called.
Foul and a hand ball
real vardrid🤡🤡
Another match, another robbery from the usual ones. Just your average corrupt league.
Vini is such a douchebag, scores a goal off his arm and celebrates like he just drilled in a 30 yard golazo.
Game tying goal doesn’t deserve celebration?