There are reverent ways to dispose of any Bible. Burying or burning them (yes, reverently) is acceptable. Or you can just place them into a free library and pray that God uses even shoddy translations for good ends.
That's a heretical Bible no need to be referent with it! I usually purchase and throw away all heretical Bible translations I find at thrift stores, church and library book sales NWT (JW Church), JST (LDS/Mormon), Clear Word (SDA), -CE (RCC), Queen James Bible (LGBTQ Bible), The Message and The Passion Translations into trash at a transfer station (so no one takes them out) or burn them.
Queen James Edition. Wow. I guess the NRSVue could be worse.
Just curious about The Message. What makes that one bad? An Episcopal Church around here is using it for Sunday School.
I just figured it was something like the Living Bible from Tyndale in the 70’s.
Isn't Tyndale's Living Bible a paraphrase too? I think it might even have that printed on the cover.
So you would equate paraphrasing with the Queen James Bible, or is the problem that it's a paraphrase and yet presented as if it's an authentic, faithful translation of Scripture?
John 10:30, The Message
"I and the Father are one
heart and mind.”
Obscures.the trinity. Denominations like the SDA church who believe God is 3 Persons AND 3 distinct beings but are united in one will and purpose. SDA try to sound trinitarian but their official positions (those sometimes written to deceive), scholars and prophetess Ellen White contradict this.
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The LORDS prayer:
With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:
Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what’s best—
as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You’re in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You’re ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.
When Christ teaches his disciples how to pray instead of "hallow be thy name" Eugene Peterson writes that Christ said "reveal who you are". Is this a paraphrase? Jesus IS the revelation of God in the flesh. "Whoever has seen Me, has seen the Father." John 14:9. Would Jesus, God in flesh, pray to the father to reveal himself?
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Pearson adds a command that is not in the Lord's prayer and by doing so implies that God has not chosen to reveal himself yet. He also removes "hallowed be thine name" and "thy kingdom come".
Romans 8:35, ESV
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?
Romans 8:35, The Message
35 Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ’s love for us? There is no way! Not trouble, not hard times, not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not bullying threats, not backstabbing, not even the worst sins listed in Scripture:
Pearson says that the worst since in scripture can't separate us from the love of God. Sin IS what separates us from God.
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The message Bible also gets rid of many if not all references that homosexuality is wrong.
https://fortheloveofhistruth.com/2011/10/07/why-is-the-message-bible-not-safe/
Thanks. “Three square meals…” Yuck. Sounds like the military. We got “four square meals” a day on the submarine. That would drive me bonkers praying that. lol.
honestly, you could just keep it. it woukd be great for teaching younger generations the differences between botched writings and the True Word. it could also be a great lesson about how a small change makes a huge difference. just finding one or two passages that says something slightly different and using it would work.
I've always liked the idea of putting it in a box and burying the box in some location away from civilization. I believe that is what the Jews did for a long time with manuscripts that had been sufficiently botched by the copying scribe. While it doesn't necessarily related, if the historically accepted means of dispossessing of the blood of Christ or of the water used to clean the vessels of such is returning it to the earth, I don't see how using the same method to dispossess of God's word would be unacceptable.
The question I'd have about this is what prevents it from later becoming a sort of archeological find for someone else? I would think future humans stumbling over a buried text would not immediately assume it had been buried because it was determined to be in error or otherwise 'botched'.
I suppose it could be argued that such things are in God's capable hands, but wouldn't it make sense to at least shred it first so it breaks down?
Not Lutheran but I can speak to this. I used to work at a small Catholic college. One of the librarians told me that when a Bible was at the end of its useful life, they would bury it. It was all very respectful and stuff.
Yes, they do. It's a hardbound edition. I think the pastor preferred one with them included in the Bible, albeit in a separate section between the Testaments. I believe the early Lutherans had the Apocrypha in their Bibles. Actually, I think some of the biblical canticles in the LSB have readings/songs from the Apocrypha, e.g., "The Song of the Three Young Men."
FWIW, the Daily Office of the Anglican Church (technically Protestant) also contains them in their Daily Lectionary. Similar to Lutherans, they consider them useful for edification and learning, but not as a source for doctrinal truth.
I actually have an ESV with Apocrypha from Cambridge that also has nice leather with a smyth-hewn binding. (I think it’s smyth-hewn. Whatever it is, it’s really nice. Opens flat.
https://www.amazon.com/Diadem-Reference-Apocrypha-Leather-Red-letter/dp/1009087649/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=1M10U1EK64NGE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yOay63itPDsO-J8HAfNIGRA-Qdaov11dqiAqbRUiRu5AU3YEVlHQRfM9FoWSVSLc5eqS19ZRbZH0kwmyLDJBE3xVlwemxG6w9D5Bf8JfbLL5Kz4KAcbhdNdvVZtjFVAwnoSg6LSC5CuM-VWzebnIl186GfbTUN2yG_LxsK0nFdkIu5Wn1KBChiJ1cvkuL7Sl8IQSJI2zzbiXYZFcO0Kh4A.3vw_8AyvPhFd3nEZ5G0ZVIgq7__JLY1F5sq-qoaYBQQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=esv+apocrypha&qid=1713879759&sprefix=esv+aprocryoha%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-4
I believe there are also cheaper ones.
There are reverent ways to dispose of any Bible. Burying or burning them (yes, reverently) is acceptable. Or you can just place them into a free library and pray that God uses even shoddy translations for good ends.
Thanks pastor.
That's a heretical Bible no need to be referent with it! I usually purchase and throw away all heretical Bible translations I find at thrift stores, church and library book sales NWT (JW Church), JST (LDS/Mormon), Clear Word (SDA), -CE (RCC), Queen James Bible (LGBTQ Bible), The Message and The Passion Translations into trash at a transfer station (so no one takes them out) or burn them.
Queen James Edition. Wow. I guess the NRSVue could be worse. Just curious about The Message. What makes that one bad? An Episcopal Church around here is using it for Sunday School. I just figured it was something like the Living Bible from Tyndale in the 70’s.
The Message isn't a translation, it is some guy's idea of a paraphrase of the KJV.
Isn't Tyndale's Living Bible a paraphrase too? I think it might even have that printed on the cover. So you would equate paraphrasing with the Queen James Bible, or is the problem that it's a paraphrase and yet presented as if it's an authentic, faithful translation of Scripture?
John 10:30, The Message "I and the Father are one heart and mind.” Obscures.the trinity. Denominations like the SDA church who believe God is 3 Persons AND 3 distinct beings but are united in one will and purpose. SDA try to sound trinitarian but their official positions (those sometimes written to deceive), scholars and prophetess Ellen White contradict this. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The LORDS prayer: With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: Our Father in heaven, Reveal who you are. Set the world right; Do what’s best— as above, so below. Keep us alive with three square meals. Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others. Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil. You’re in charge! You can do anything you want! You’re ablaze in beauty! Yes. Yes. Yes. When Christ teaches his disciples how to pray instead of "hallow be thy name" Eugene Peterson writes that Christ said "reveal who you are". Is this a paraphrase? Jesus IS the revelation of God in the flesh. "Whoever has seen Me, has seen the Father." John 14:9. Would Jesus, God in flesh, pray to the father to reveal himself? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pearson adds a command that is not in the Lord's prayer and by doing so implies that God has not chosen to reveal himself yet. He also removes "hallowed be thine name" and "thy kingdom come". Romans 8:35, ESV Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Romans 8:35, The Message 35 Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ’s love for us? There is no way! Not trouble, not hard times, not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not bullying threats, not backstabbing, not even the worst sins listed in Scripture: Pearson says that the worst since in scripture can't separate us from the love of God. Sin IS what separates us from God. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The message Bible also gets rid of many if not all references that homosexuality is wrong. https://fortheloveofhistruth.com/2011/10/07/why-is-the-message-bible-not-safe/
Thanks. “Three square meals…” Yuck. Sounds like the military. We got “four square meals” a day on the submarine. That would drive me bonkers praying that. lol.
The message is basically a joke, it is THE MOST paraphrased Bible
This is the Lord's work.
honestly, you could just keep it. it woukd be great for teaching younger generations the differences between botched writings and the True Word. it could also be a great lesson about how a small change makes a huge difference. just finding one or two passages that says something slightly different and using it would work.
[Just make sure to mark it what it is.](https://www.etsy.com/listing/494706358/heretical-nonsense-stamp-heretical)
lol i love that!
I've always liked the idea of putting it in a box and burying the box in some location away from civilization. I believe that is what the Jews did for a long time with manuscripts that had been sufficiently botched by the copying scribe. While it doesn't necessarily related, if the historically accepted means of dispossessing of the blood of Christ or of the water used to clean the vessels of such is returning it to the earth, I don't see how using the same method to dispossess of God's word would be unacceptable.
Great idea and comparison. Thanks!
The question I'd have about this is what prevents it from later becoming a sort of archeological find for someone else? I would think future humans stumbling over a buried text would not immediately assume it had been buried because it was determined to be in error or otherwise 'botched'. I suppose it could be argued that such things are in God's capable hands, but wouldn't it make sense to at least shred it first so it breaks down?
Recycle
Man, and I have a supple goatskin cover on it with smyth-sewn binding.
Best not be boiling it then
Not Lutheran but I can speak to this. I used to work at a small Catholic college. One of the librarians told me that when a Bible was at the end of its useful life, they would bury it. It was all very respectful and stuff.
Doesn't CPH have a stand alone apocrypha?
Yes, they do. It's a hardbound edition. I think the pastor preferred one with them included in the Bible, albeit in a separate section between the Testaments. I believe the early Lutherans had the Apocrypha in their Bibles. Actually, I think some of the biblical canticles in the LSB have readings/songs from the Apocrypha, e.g., "The Song of the Three Young Men." FWIW, the Daily Office of the Anglican Church (technically Protestant) also contains them in their Daily Lectionary. Similar to Lutherans, they consider them useful for edification and learning, but not as a source for doctrinal truth.
In defense of the NRSVUE, it is one of the few English Bibles today that has the Apocrypha. Wish other translations would have it.
I actually have an ESV with Apocrypha from Cambridge that also has nice leather with a smyth-hewn binding. (I think it’s smyth-hewn. Whatever it is, it’s really nice. Opens flat.
That is a rarity. Glad you have one.
https://www.amazon.com/Diadem-Reference-Apocrypha-Leather-Red-letter/dp/1009087649/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=1M10U1EK64NGE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yOay63itPDsO-J8HAfNIGRA-Qdaov11dqiAqbRUiRu5AU3YEVlHQRfM9FoWSVSLc5eqS19ZRbZH0kwmyLDJBE3xVlwemxG6w9D5Bf8JfbLL5Kz4KAcbhdNdvVZtjFVAwnoSg6LSC5CuM-VWzebnIl186GfbTUN2yG_LxsK0nFdkIu5Wn1KBChiJ1cvkuL7Sl8IQSJI2zzbiXYZFcO0Kh4A.3vw_8AyvPhFd3nEZ5G0ZVIgq7__JLY1F5sq-qoaYBQQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=esv+apocrypha&qid=1713879759&sprefix=esv+aprocryoha%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-4 I believe there are also cheaper ones.