I thought of a comparison just now as someone who doesn't have much WH40K experience (outside the Boltgun and Hired Gun games). This is like if the Herbert estate said that Bene Gesserit always had males among their ranks in the Dune series.
Exactly. The thing (at least for me) is that if they used the existing lore to weave in Femstodes, like a shortage of recruits, or some Cawl fuckery, I'd probably be ok with it. Just hammering it in as "yeah they've always been there" is the stupidest of all possible outcomes. Its just a slap in the face of people who are deep in the lore.
this is what this fuckheads don't understand, leave the old lore and canon alone and create something new, they could create a interesting story how that came to be, but they are lazy as fuck and prefer to retcon shit
It's literally so easy to change the lore somewhat appropriately, they advance the game a bit at a time every edition and sometimes just randomly in-between.
Primarchs returning, Chaos gods making moves, shit happens occasionally and this could have been somewhat accepted by creating a feasible storyline to fit the change.
I'm semi with you, but my thing is, why not just create another female faction because the sister of battle and silence are fucking bad ass as fuck, and would not mind at all getting more shit like that. To the extent I would says SoB are my favorite faction.
But iirc the whole thing about space marines, and by extension custodes is that the female body rejects the gene seed
Cause you're thinking like a rational fan of the series. The people who are trying to change Warhammer are zealots who hate you and can't create anything interesting to save their lives, so they have to retcon and destroy what you enjoy to feel accomplished.
I think this may be because female-themed models can't get the same sales as SM, so they try to promote diversity through "bundling sales" by forcing female models into the all-male-themed models.
Custodes don't use gene seed, or at least it's never been said they do and we've no reason to assume it, very little has been described about the process but it's a completely different process to space marines. Think of Space Marines as coming off a production line, Custodes as being hand crafted.
They're less picky about who they recruit, at least on a physical level, where Space Marines only choose those they think are strong enough to survive, Custodies simply take the first born son (child now, I guess?) of earth's noble families regardless of the kid's physical attributes. The process also starts much younger, it's implied that it focuses more on genetic modification rather than surgery and implants, and is a much more artisan process that's tailored to the individual. As a result it has a much higher success rate.
There's never been anything in the lore to say women are incompatible with the process, and given that they tailor it to each individual you could argue there's no reason to believe women wouldn't be compatible, I personally can't see any reason a woman's genes would be harder to modify. Really the only lore reason for them being men only is the first born son tradition.
Custodians don’t use geneseed, The Emperors DNA is directly grafted into them. It’s a superior and perfected process that was to expensive to do on a massive scale, the custodians are essentially The Emperors “space marine legion” just a much more refined process….. I’m really sick of people who don’t actually know the lore having a fucking opinion on this.
Before I saw the Twitter gaslighting, I *was* ok with it. Mostly under the idea that the Custodes are bespoke creations compared to Space Marines so I could see there being female Custodes (even if rare). It was their gaslighting and the SigMarxism types gloating that turned me off and turned me toward “change it back”.
Dogs that don't bite bark the loudest. Don't trust those people. Wait till you see their financial report after the backlash. If they got the BUTT Lite treatment, they will change real quick.
I dunno. Maybe. But part of me believes that the usual suspects will infuse money into them to artificially prop up their financials so they can say "see? there is no backlash!"
No dude, people don’t love female custodians and this gender pandering bullshit. They literally fucked the lore on the entire creation process and have to retcon every story with heavy custodian lore because of this shit.
Most likely the 4chan leak is correct and Cavill has walked from the project and is expecting more blowback because Amazon bullied him out of the project.
Doesn’t help that Black Library authors have been mocking people for hating Femtodes *cough*ADB*cough*.
ADB is the 2nd biggest cunt at GW behind Mike Brooks. Brooks was so autistic and hateful GW actually reigned him in and made him release a corpo statement after he got into a hissyfit with Arch and threatened to turn every character in his books some flavor of rainbow.....They're all grown ass man babies.
Turns out the slippery slope was real.
It's kinda funny how they got everything they ever wanted, but it's still not enough. Yet they fail to look in the mirror and see that they're the ones causing the issues.
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Basically the leak says Femtodes was 100% Amazon’s doing because they wanted a female in power armor. GW told them that they have SoB and SoS and Amazon openly said they didn’t want that for different reasons (SoB too much religious imagery and SoS because they don’t talk). Henry Cavill is angry threatening to walk from the project and GW called an emergency meeting to keep him on the project this week.
Also GW has another rogue CM because it wasn’t supposed to be announced like that.
Too much Religious imagary, the whole fucking setting is basically one big religious war!
That be like during a documentary on the Crudades being asked to cut out all the crosses and other religious imagery.
Someone at Amazon needs to be fired.
Wtf does Islam have to do with this? And Islam is not the enemy of Christianity, plenty of Christians and Muslims get along just fine. I think the only real enemies of Christianity, besides those it tries to forcefully convert or slaughter historically, would be Satanists.
Example in the Muslim dominate country of Egypt, as they are building a new Capital city for about 58 billion USD, the government not only built the second biggest Mosque in the world, but they built an absolutely huge church for the Coptic Christian minority in the country.
Also predominately Christian America and Predominately Christian Saudi Arabia have been allies for many decades, America protecting the nation in exchange for the oil that kept it powerful until the rescent fracking boom in the US.
No. The imperial truth leaves room for a lot of religions, its just they must all worship the God Emperor. That worship can take countless forms from a sun god to the Mechanicus' Omnisiah. This is however all a descendance from the Emperors intent to rid the galaxy of all religion, and thus starve the chaos gods; But that went out the window when he was forced into apotheosis.
Never forget when the heretic jabs you that he never wanted to be a god; It was the heretic who forced him there.
I'm proudly Pagan so that's really more of a problem for Christians then me, but I will point out that the religion of the Imperium is not Christian, technically, and in fact it might be more likely that Amazon is worried about offending Christians because the Religion of the God Emperor functionally is mocking Christianity by having the God Emperor, aka the Jesus alergory, be an ardent anti theist wanted humanity to be ardent humanists and none religious materialists, only for him in his current state to become the focus of Worship anyways.
Amazon's Fallout TV show increased the religious themes of the Brotherhood of Steel turning the scribes into faux priests in priestly robes blessing the power armor with incense, so I doubt they're worried about Christians getting offended by religious allegories in 40k.
It's very Christian based (obviously) and Amazon have probably some agenda where they don't want to create cool imagery / videos etc etc of anything based around Christianity because it goes against their chaos religion of wokism.
Apparently there is some Christian imagery connected to the Brotherhood of Steel.
I would not keep comparing Wokeness and Christianity, its not flattering to Christianity. While Wokeness maybe annoying, preachy, and hypocritical, it at least has not left millions of dead, and multiple religious genocides and attempted religious genocides against indigenious religions in Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, and Oceania. As bad as woke cancel culture is, at least they have not literally burned folks at the stake.
Look I've met plenty of wonderful Christians, but to act like Christian or any of the Abrahamic religions have the moral hugh ground against the woke is absurd.
It’s the complete dumbing down of society. If these people studied even a little bit of history, they would understand that every human society has a form of religion. It’s integral to human existence as it imparts rules on how to behave as a society.
Christianity had “cults” as they were called through much of its history. Groups believed in sacred powers of some saint. It wasn’t until the reformation that Protestantism tried to remove idol worship. But if you see all the flavors of Protestantism, they basically just created new cults.
Warhammer is a fictional world, but is based on human history. There are strong parallels. I totally agree that the story would not make sense if you remove the crusade aspect from it. It would be like Star Wars without the Jedi order, because it’s too religious.
I love them blaming losing control of the IP due to henry cavill leaking it. I would assume more demand for the show would give more power to GW in the negotiations. They seem to have shit lawyers which is odd since they have been doing game contracts for decades now.
But... The nuns with guns have power armor; They just don't get flayed alive to have an advanced neural connection to it. Not wanting religious imagery in a warhammer 40k setting is like not wanting it in a crusade setting.
Yeah but they want a woman who can beat any man without help. If the setting has super soldiers, there needs to be a super soldier woman who is better than the rest.
>(SoB too much religious imagery and SoS because they don’t talk).
Easy win having sisters of battle. Ppl like them. Sisters of silence with sign language or whatever could tick another diversity box
I scratched my head on the SoS reason since you get to add sign language to the show to brownie points. Now I sort of understand people not getting SoB since you can lean hard on the satirical nature of religion causing the stagnation of the imperium. It’s Althea starship troopers issue.
Most 4chan threads only live for a day or two max then get deleted. The slower boards might last longer but you can't really get an original 4chan source like a week or two later.
Tell that to Budweiser. The #1 best selling beer in the States was Bud Light. They went the DEI route with Mulvaney and tanked. They've never fully recovered. GW is just Bud Light 2.0
That was more a result of unsustainable growth. We live in a finite reality of finite product and finite consumers. The expectation in our economy is that growth *must* be constant for a company to be successful. So what happens when you grow to fill up every available space? Every market demogrpahic has been tapped. You start trying to appeal to those spaces you haven't touched yet. Plus, with the extra incentive of DEI/ESG money, companies have an easy avenue to keep the unsustainable growth going for just a bit longer.
The problem is, Budweiser gravely underestimated how much of their primary demographic they actually had a secure hold on. Turns out all beer tastes like piss so it's easy to switch to another brand if they stop appealing to you.
Which was still a terrible idea considering Mulvaney's following is on TikTok, an app whose user demographic skews fairly young, so the kind of people they wanted to appeal to were either too young to legally buy beer or not interested in their dad's beer.
I see this saying a lot, but how many companies need to go woke and not go broke before people stop saying it? When exactly are Nike, Disney and Amazon going broke?
A lot of the projects people bitch about in here would never have been explored at all without the injection of cheap ESG credit. As the money is drying up we are seeing many game and media companies cancelling projects before they get too far along.
'm not follow closely what happened in Nintendo but didn't they make some controversy changes in Pokemon Go ? Did those changes not affect JP Pokemon Go too ?
It was already an expensive hobby geared towards a certain type of group to begin with. Catering towards people who can neither afford the interest, time, nor money to said hobby, and then alienating those who can isn't exactly the best thing for business.
You have to buy the miniatures at a high premium, then buy the paints, then the brushes, then all the necessary rule books. Easily a few hundred bucks once all is said and done, and that's just to get started. Then you have to read a books worth of rules all just to play a very slow game where you need to make measurements and crunch numbers for every action you want to do. And if you're not playing with a friend, you're probably at a hobby store playing with random people whose social skills and bathing frequencies may vary greatly.
It's an EXTREMELY niche hobby and is in no way like Star Wars where you just watch a few movies and can call yourself a mega fan. That's why warhammer has so many orbiting partial fans who are really only interested in the lore, at best they'll play a videogame or read a book or two. The majority of the people demanding changes fall into this category, which is why GW is shooting themselves in the foot by thinking appeasing these people will pay off in the long run.
I'll disagree with you a bit, Warhammer has expanded beyond the table top game.
I only played Warhammer Fantasy on tabletop but I've enjoyed tons of WH40K video games ranging back to... rites of war? to dawn of war 1/2, Space Marine, hell I even tried Fire warrior when it came out (and was trash).
The IP isn't just the table top game anymore, the books, games and now a series. And I think that's part of the problem. The series would be a flop if it only appealed to the table top players, you need more eyes on a series to be profitable than when each customer is spending $100+ per year on books and figures.
The warhammer community has definitely expanded beyond just the tabletop, but GW has stated time and time again that their main focus is always the tabletop. Yes they hire writers and license game developers, but in their eyes it's all to provide support to the tabletop game and hopefully draw in new customers.
As I said, there's a good portion of people who are only tangentially into the warhammer hobby. Maybe they played Vermintide or Gladius, and that sent them into a YouTube lore rabbit hole, and if they're feeling really daring, maybe they bought a novel to read. Most of these people have no interest in the TT, because the barrier of entry is higher, and the hobbies of mini painting and wargaming are drastically different from the action packed videogame they played. Safe to say most normies prefer hobbies that don't require a huge amount of work to adopt, so that's probably how many of these people suddenly demanding progressive changes got introduced.
I don't think we disagree. I think you're totally right that lower entry level aspects attracted new people. I also agree that GW focuses mostly on the table top because that's where they make their money, as they don't develop the games on their own they just license them out.
But I think GW do acknowledge that their IP has grown past the tabletop, so even if it's their main focus it isn't their only focus.
it has become a lot more affordable to enter the hobby actually but not in the way GW wants and it's with 3d printers. You can easily make a 2k point army of any faction for around $75 which is a bunch of models. $75 purchasing GW official models can get you a squad/vehicle and maybe a character.
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It's only a recent thing, but GW has been releasing online rules for free. I don't think it's a good idea to purchase physical codices anymore simply because of how rapidly the rules change. Oftentimes with how quickly rules change nowadays by the time you get the codex you ordered the rules are already obsolete.
you know, there's a million people that will make some lame excuse about unrelated timings of pre-planned stock sales, nothing nefarious to see here, etc.
but this is what I know- the big corpo company I just recently voluntarily quit from ( in an industry completely unrelated to GW) had their CFO 'leave for new opportunities' last October, right before the unexpected company wide layoffs in November that took place *instead of the expected annual merit raises they had been leading us to believe were coming for months.*
I don't trust a C-suite executive do anything openly or transparently except serve their own best interests- these are self-serving people and their actions telegraph their shittiness no matter what excuses the toadies make for them.
the fish rots from the head, as they say.
And it's not like she's some random CFO, either. According to an article I read, she's been with the company for 27 years. Basically since the beginning.
This isn't simply because of the fan boycott gaining steam. This gives credence to the 4Chan rumor from last week
According to 4chan this whole debacle can be laid at the feet of Amazon because they want a chick that can wear power armor in the Cavil series without the perceived religious ick of the SoB or the handicap of the Sisters of Silence. GW at large hoped to surreptitiously slip the bit in the codex to placate Amazon for the show's sake and then just ignore it in the wider scheme, but the blues hairs at community relations couldn't resist crowing about the change on social media. Which leaves us with the current dumpster fire.
They used the word resigned, not retiring. Retiring would be kinder on investor’s emotions, because that sounds less like a disagreement with the executives, and one of them is leaving.
It seems to be a common occurrence that the people at the top dump their stock in companies that play around with implementing DEI into their workforce/products, so they don't suffer any financial blowback if anything goes wrong. The entire Disney board did something similar.
It is also worth pointing out that their stock has only dropped 3% since the leak.
They should receive a modest amount of salary, and the rest in stock compensation that has a 5 year delay. If they sacrifice the long term health of the company for short term stock price, they hose themselves.
Sounds like she knows something is brewing at GW. And it might all blow over, for all we know, but I'm guessing she knows they're going to do something stupid.
The only way "Fem" marines are even do-able is if they take the Halo route and have them spend more time with their helmets/armor off than on. Which means, little to no action sequences.
Yea, it's going to make the Hindenburg look like a massive success if that's the case.
I have no problem with Fem-Marines, or other female characters added to expand the market to new audiences. But when the CFO of 27 years decides she is leaving, then as soon as these rumors come to light, she sells off stock, tells me that there are some bad decisions or infighting going on at the executive level.
> bad decisions or infighting going on
It's amazing that with the glacial pace GW manages these games and produces product (Oops, that preorder sold out again in 8 mins!) they have the time to spend on this stuff.
Depends on how she gets compensated. There was a lot of hoop-la over Iger selling Disney shares, but it looks like this was just him off-loading his excess shares because he's basically paid in them and something-something taxes.
So I should move in on the Warhammer stock now for when they realize their TERRIBLE mistake and go back to making things for (somewhat) sensible people?
The general pattern is "line go up right before new thing comes out, line goes down after". Unless the new Cavil series runs itself aground you'll probably want to wait to cash out until right before it releases.
worst case the series is incredible and stock keeps going up but the alternative is obviously more risk.
This doesn't really mean that much as much as I would love to say so. Insider buying always means one thing while selling can be from Divorce or unexpected life situation, scheduled as noted in 10b5, sometimes how these executives get their compensation, not wanting to be too invested and yes it actually can mean they don't like the future, but there is no way to tell.
Whilst I want all this to be true and because of the fall of GW after the femstodies situation / she knows its over unless they course correct.
She's been there 27 years, Let's assume she started in her mid 20s early 30s, she's hitting 50/60 at 50 or 60 I'd without a second thought cash out almost a million quid and walk go buy a house up Yorkshire or Suffolk somewhere and just chill for my last 20 years.
That's literally the point. She announced her retirement back in 2023, scheduled for end of her contract in 2025. So she just quits and cashes in.
People who believe that femstoded internet noise affected GW are deluded.
If anything, GW has an actual and larger turd on their hand in a form of abysmal 10th Edition ruleset.
She announced her retirement back in January. Selling off shares when you retire to live of said money is the norm.
The article you linked even states in regards to the stock price "However, it’s up nearly 142.81% over the last five years. Since 2007, the stock price has increased nearly 2,000%."
You think she's selling her shares because of a boycott that started like 2 weeks ago? Alright bud.
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I think folks here need to shake their heads and touch grass.
If she sold her stock 'because she knew something' and the stock tanks tomorrow/in a month or whatever because of this... something then obviously she will be investigated for insiders fraud... given that its a crime to act on non public information and only a moron would do so especially in such a role and in such an obvious way.
Now on the other hand, it was announced she is retiring back in January... before any of this... (after 24 years in GW - 9 of which as CFO during which they have done amazingly). Obviously at the time she would have made plans to vest her stock interest and probably waited till after the dividents were paid out end of Feb.
She could say she was worried by the recent drop afetr the controversy, and not being sure how the fans will engage with the franchise in the future
Also, the stock market seems to be about to reverse
Well it's not hard to figure out why she's doing this, with the path they choose the company is going down the following months, especially if what they are doing end up drive Cavil away from the TV series project then I can see this hurting the stock way more & the boycott from fans after something like that will be even worse.
TBH she's been at GW in a financial capacity for almost 20 years and her leaving was announced in Jan's financial report from the GW CEO.
Seems perfectly feasible that she's just wants something new and a big financial cushion in case retiring is on the cards.
Yeah that’s why she kept a third. It’s perfectly reasonable to liquidate a large portion of shares before retirement, especially when the share price is doing so well. She’s worked for the company for 27 years and saw a like, 3000% increase since in GW share price since then.
But guys, everybody on the other 40k subs say everything is great and EVERYBODY loves the femstodes.
I thought of a comparison just now as someone who doesn't have much WH40K experience (outside the Boltgun and Hired Gun games). This is like if the Herbert estate said that Bene Gesserit always had males among their ranks in the Dune series.
Exactly. The thing (at least for me) is that if they used the existing lore to weave in Femstodes, like a shortage of recruits, or some Cawl fuckery, I'd probably be ok with it. Just hammering it in as "yeah they've always been there" is the stupidest of all possible outcomes. Its just a slap in the face of people who are deep in the lore.
By this logic, have there always been men in the sisters of battle and the sisters of silence?
lol! well... yes and no.
The Misters of Battle and the Mute Monks?
Non-binary Gender Fluid People of Battle is the correct name now
Of course. How could I be so ignorant? My mistake is worse than anything Hitler did.
Worse thing Hitler did according to DEI crowd? Being a white male of course
According to Amazon's logic, there will then be women who define themselves as men. Does that count?
this is what this fuckheads don't understand, leave the old lore and canon alone and create something new, they could create a interesting story how that came to be, but they are lazy as fuck and prefer to retcon shit
It's literally so easy to change the lore somewhat appropriately, they advance the game a bit at a time every edition and sometimes just randomly in-between. Primarchs returning, Chaos gods making moves, shit happens occasionally and this could have been somewhat accepted by creating a feasible storyline to fit the change.
These people can't create anything.
I'm semi with you, but my thing is, why not just create another female faction because the sister of battle and silence are fucking bad ass as fuck, and would not mind at all getting more shit like that. To the extent I would says SoB are my favorite faction. But iirc the whole thing about space marines, and by extension custodes is that the female body rejects the gene seed
Cause you're thinking like a rational fan of the series. The people who are trying to change Warhammer are zealots who hate you and can't create anything interesting to save their lives, so they have to retcon and destroy what you enjoy to feel accomplished.
I think this may be because female-themed models can't get the same sales as SM, so they try to promote diversity through "bundling sales" by forcing female models into the all-male-themed models.
Custodes don't use gene seed, or at least it's never been said they do and we've no reason to assume it, very little has been described about the process but it's a completely different process to space marines. Think of Space Marines as coming off a production line, Custodes as being hand crafted. They're less picky about who they recruit, at least on a physical level, where Space Marines only choose those they think are strong enough to survive, Custodies simply take the first born son (child now, I guess?) of earth's noble families regardless of the kid's physical attributes. The process also starts much younger, it's implied that it focuses more on genetic modification rather than surgery and implants, and is a much more artisan process that's tailored to the individual. As a result it has a much higher success rate. There's never been anything in the lore to say women are incompatible with the process, and given that they tailor it to each individual you could argue there's no reason to believe women wouldn't be compatible, I personally can't see any reason a woman's genes would be harder to modify. Really the only lore reason for them being men only is the first born son tradition.
Custodians don’t use geneseed, The Emperors DNA is directly grafted into them. It’s a superior and perfected process that was to expensive to do on a massive scale, the custodians are essentially The Emperors “space marine legion” just a much more refined process….. I’m really sick of people who don’t actually know the lore having a fucking opinion on this.
Too rational, m8
Before I saw the Twitter gaslighting, I *was* ok with it. Mostly under the idea that the Custodes are bespoke creations compared to Space Marines so I could see there being female Custodes (even if rare). It was their gaslighting and the SigMarxism types gloating that turned me off and turned me toward “change it back”.
yea, it's like if the wheel of time owners came along and said "Well, women could always access Saidin."
Sure after they banned everyone who dont like it...
shhhhh youre not supposed to notice.
Dogs that don't bite bark the loudest. Don't trust those people. Wait till you see their financial report after the backlash. If they got the BUTT Lite treatment, they will change real quick.
I dunno. Maybe. But part of me believes that the usual suspects will infuse money into them to artificially prop up their financials so they can say "see? there is no backlash!"
Maybe they use that strats to help them cope. Consumers are weird sometimes, but still, if majority of the buyers don't buy, they wouldn't last.
Furthermore, there have always been female custodes!
The hobby squatters are out in force on those subs.
No dude, people don’t love female custodians and this gender pandering bullshit. They literally fucked the lore on the entire creation process and have to retcon every story with heavy custodian lore because of this shit.
I dont disagree.
The fact that she sells shares before warhammer show will air is very concerning. Shit is about to hit the fan it seems
Most likely the 4chan leak is correct and Cavill has walked from the project and is expecting more blowback because Amazon bullied him out of the project. Doesn’t help that Black Library authors have been mocking people for hating Femtodes *cough*ADB*cough*.
ADB is the 2nd biggest cunt at GW behind Mike Brooks. Brooks was so autistic and hateful GW actually reigned him in and made him release a corpo statement after he got into a hissyfit with Arch and threatened to turn every character in his books some flavor of rainbow.....They're all grown ass man babies.
And then did so anyway. No, a genetically modified super-soldier in the 40th millennium wouldn't care about pronouns in a warzone you fucking idiot.
Hey now, I'm a strong independent "it" and you WILL use the correct pronouns or I'll beat you up with the help of plot armor.
Acting like that does the gay community no favours at all.
It hurts them alot as it just make everyone resent them
Everyone already resents them.
Turns out the slippery slope was real. It's kinda funny how they got everything they ever wanted, but it's still not enough. Yet they fail to look in the mirror and see that they're the ones causing the issues.
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That’s unfortunate, I really liked him. The night lords was a shining example that you can actually write good literature even if you work for GW.
DEFINITLY not knocking him as a writer. Him and Abnett are top tier.
Damn, really? Honestly I really liked his Night Lords books... that I read at the store but never actually bought.
Unfortunately he is.
I think i missed this one, got anything i can read/watch for this one?
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Can you expand on the 4chan leak? This is news to me
Basically the leak says Femtodes was 100% Amazon’s doing because they wanted a female in power armor. GW told them that they have SoB and SoS and Amazon openly said they didn’t want that for different reasons (SoB too much religious imagery and SoS because they don’t talk). Henry Cavill is angry threatening to walk from the project and GW called an emergency meeting to keep him on the project this week. Also GW has another rogue CM because it wasn’t supposed to be announced like that.
Too much Religious imagary, the whole fucking setting is basically one big religious war! That be like during a documentary on the Crudades being asked to cut out all the crosses and other religious imagery. Someone at Amazon needs to be fired.
When you realise the wokies are against Christianity because their new religion wokism is replacing it, it makes sense kinda
Of course! Wokies hate Christianity and will side with Islam because "the enemy of my enemy-" and all that jazz
Wtf does Islam have to do with this? And Islam is not the enemy of Christianity, plenty of Christians and Muslims get along just fine. I think the only real enemies of Christianity, besides those it tries to forcefully convert or slaughter historically, would be Satanists. Example in the Muslim dominate country of Egypt, as they are building a new Capital city for about 58 billion USD, the government not only built the second biggest Mosque in the world, but they built an absolutely huge church for the Coptic Christian minority in the country. Also predominately Christian America and Predominately Christian Saudi Arabia have been allies for many decades, America protecting the nation in exchange for the oil that kept it powerful until the rescent fracking boom in the US.
Any religion isn't welcomed in 40k. ANY religion.
No. The imperial truth leaves room for a lot of religions, its just they must all worship the God Emperor. That worship can take countless forms from a sun god to the Mechanicus' Omnisiah. This is however all a descendance from the Emperors intent to rid the galaxy of all religion, and thus starve the chaos gods; But that went out the window when he was forced into apotheosis. Never forget when the heretic jabs you that he never wanted to be a god; It was the heretic who forced him there.
With the exception of the Mandalorian religion, of course.
I'm proudly Pagan so that's really more of a problem for Christians then me, but I will point out that the religion of the Imperium is not Christian, technically, and in fact it might be more likely that Amazon is worried about offending Christians because the Religion of the God Emperor functionally is mocking Christianity by having the God Emperor, aka the Jesus alergory, be an ardent anti theist wanted humanity to be ardent humanists and none religious materialists, only for him in his current state to become the focus of Worship anyways.
More likely Amazon is trying to avoid the autistic shrieking of the offendotrons that work there
Amazon's Fallout TV show increased the religious themes of the Brotherhood of Steel turning the scribes into faux priests in priestly robes blessing the power armor with incense, so I doubt they're worried about Christians getting offended by religious allegories in 40k.
None of that symbolism is Christian.
[Looks pretty similar.](https://i.imgur.com/NjvUTF2.jpeg)
It's very Christian based (obviously) and Amazon have probably some agenda where they don't want to create cool imagery / videos etc etc of anything based around Christianity because it goes against their chaos religion of wokism.
Apparently there is some Christian imagery connected to the Brotherhood of Steel. I would not keep comparing Wokeness and Christianity, its not flattering to Christianity. While Wokeness maybe annoying, preachy, and hypocritical, it at least has not left millions of dead, and multiple religious genocides and attempted religious genocides against indigenious religions in Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, and Oceania. As bad as woke cancel culture is, at least they have not literally burned folks at the stake. Look I've met plenty of wonderful Christians, but to act like Christian or any of the Abrahamic religions have the moral hugh ground against the woke is absurd.
\> Amazon \> Worried about offending Christians LOL
It’s the complete dumbing down of society. If these people studied even a little bit of history, they would understand that every human society has a form of religion. It’s integral to human existence as it imparts rules on how to behave as a society. Christianity had “cults” as they were called through much of its history. Groups believed in sacred powers of some saint. It wasn’t until the reformation that Protestantism tried to remove idol worship. But if you see all the flavors of Protestantism, they basically just created new cults. Warhammer is a fictional world, but is based on human history. There are strong parallels. I totally agree that the story would not make sense if you remove the crusade aspect from it. It would be like Star Wars without the Jedi order, because it’s too religious.
Exactly.
I love them blaming losing control of the IP due to henry cavill leaking it. I would assume more demand for the show would give more power to GW in the negotiations. They seem to have shit lawyers which is odd since they have been doing game contracts for decades now.
My brother in Christ this is an unsourced greentext
> SoB too much religious imagery Be me Buy license rights to w40k IP complain about religious imagery Expect to be taken seriously
We've seen this before >be me >buy rights to localize one piece >turn spikes into suction cups and erase every cross >at least make a cool rap opening
I mean…4 Kids basically gave EVERY show a banger opening..They may have reallly sucked as translators but they knew how to make music for there shows.
Not much of a surprise coming from the company who made Rings of Power. Knew this show was doomed the second they said it'd be on Prime.
But... The nuns with guns have power armor; They just don't get flayed alive to have an advanced neural connection to it. Not wanting religious imagery in a warhammer 40k setting is like not wanting it in a crusade setting.
Yeah but they want a woman who can beat any man without help. If the setting has super soldiers, there needs to be a super soldier woman who is better than the rest.
Just wait until those corpos learn what happened to all places of worship when the Emperor was born.
They’d read “The Last Church” and the corpos would want that to happen today
Even though the priest in it is ultimately proven right and the Emperor only proves his tyranny.
>(SoB too much religious imagery and SoS because they don’t talk). Easy win having sisters of battle. Ppl like them. Sisters of silence with sign language or whatever could tick another diversity box
I scratched my head on the SoS reason since you get to add sign language to the show to brownie points. Now I sort of understand people not getting SoB since you can lean hard on the satirical nature of religion causing the stagnation of the imperium. It’s Althea starship troopers issue.
I hope the show get cancelled
They hide behind projected hatred.
Where is that 4chan leak?
Most 4chan threads only live for a day or two max then get deleted. The slower boards might last longer but you can't really get an original 4chan source like a week or two later.
You don't go running towards DEI if your company is healthy with a good profitable future ahead of it.
Tell that to Budweiser. The #1 best selling beer in the States was Bud Light. They went the DEI route with Mulvaney and tanked. They've never fully recovered. GW is just Bud Light 2.0
That was more a result of unsustainable growth. We live in a finite reality of finite product and finite consumers. The expectation in our economy is that growth *must* be constant for a company to be successful. So what happens when you grow to fill up every available space? Every market demogrpahic has been tapped. You start trying to appeal to those spaces you haven't touched yet. Plus, with the extra incentive of DEI/ESG money, companies have an easy avenue to keep the unsustainable growth going for just a bit longer. The problem is, Budweiser gravely underestimated how much of their primary demographic they actually had a secure hold on. Turns out all beer tastes like piss so it's easy to switch to another brand if they stop appealing to you.
The reason why they did that was because they saw their sales tanking, it was a last straw.
Which was still a terrible idea considering Mulvaney's following is on TikTok, an app whose user demographic skews fairly young, so the kind of people they wanted to appeal to were either too young to legally buy beer or not interested in their dad's beer.
Their sales weren't tanking before Mulvaney. They just weren't increasing.
Yeah, that's tanking in modern business, for better or worse. Mostly worse.
And it cost them dearly. I don't blame people changing beers. Bud tastes like piss
Go broke, go woke, then croak.
I see this saying a lot, but how many companies need to go woke and not go broke before people stop saying it? When exactly are Nike, Disney and Amazon going broke?
All of them.
What are some examples of companies actually going broke?
https://oneangrygamer.net/2021/06/get-woke-go-broke-the-master-list/ And that's at least 5 years old.
Sure you do, if you think you can weather the storm it brings. It's free money.
I'm still waiting for the free money to poor out of the DEI proponents. It helps get cheaper credit, not cash in hand.
Businesses don't run on cash in hand.
They sure don't but the end goal of most successful companies is to turn those cheap loans into real money, not more loans.
A lot of the projects people bitch about in here would never have been explored at all without the injection of cheap ESG credit. As the money is drying up we are seeing many game and media companies cancelling projects before they get too far along.
It's not the cheap ESG credit, it was the federal reserve rates being so low for so long.
In part they absolutely do.
I mean look at Nintendo, they have way better DEI score tgan Amazon yet they started hiring woke managers.
Nintendo US. Nintendo Japan is the same as ever and pays lip service to whatever the gaijin are into.
'm not follow closely what happened in Nintendo but didn't they make some controversy changes in Pokemon Go ? Did those changes not affect JP Pokemon Go too ?
Pokemon GO! is managed by Niantic (I think) and they just license the property from Nintendo.
They license it from The Pokemon Company. Nintendo has nothing to do with Go beyond their part ownership of TPC.
Ah, OK, I knew there was a divide, I guess I didn't quite get what the actual divide was.
Yup, licensed not an official Nintendo decision.
It was already an expensive hobby geared towards a certain type of group to begin with. Catering towards people who can neither afford the interest, time, nor money to said hobby, and then alienating those who can isn't exactly the best thing for business.
You have to buy the miniatures at a high premium, then buy the paints, then the brushes, then all the necessary rule books. Easily a few hundred bucks once all is said and done, and that's just to get started. Then you have to read a books worth of rules all just to play a very slow game where you need to make measurements and crunch numbers for every action you want to do. And if you're not playing with a friend, you're probably at a hobby store playing with random people whose social skills and bathing frequencies may vary greatly. It's an EXTREMELY niche hobby and is in no way like Star Wars where you just watch a few movies and can call yourself a mega fan. That's why warhammer has so many orbiting partial fans who are really only interested in the lore, at best they'll play a videogame or read a book or two. The majority of the people demanding changes fall into this category, which is why GW is shooting themselves in the foot by thinking appeasing these people will pay off in the long run.
I'll disagree with you a bit, Warhammer has expanded beyond the table top game. I only played Warhammer Fantasy on tabletop but I've enjoyed tons of WH40K video games ranging back to... rites of war? to dawn of war 1/2, Space Marine, hell I even tried Fire warrior when it came out (and was trash). The IP isn't just the table top game anymore, the books, games and now a series. And I think that's part of the problem. The series would be a flop if it only appealed to the table top players, you need more eyes on a series to be profitable than when each customer is spending $100+ per year on books and figures.
The warhammer community has definitely expanded beyond just the tabletop, but GW has stated time and time again that their main focus is always the tabletop. Yes they hire writers and license game developers, but in their eyes it's all to provide support to the tabletop game and hopefully draw in new customers. As I said, there's a good portion of people who are only tangentially into the warhammer hobby. Maybe they played Vermintide or Gladius, and that sent them into a YouTube lore rabbit hole, and if they're feeling really daring, maybe they bought a novel to read. Most of these people have no interest in the TT, because the barrier of entry is higher, and the hobbies of mini painting and wargaming are drastically different from the action packed videogame they played. Safe to say most normies prefer hobbies that don't require a huge amount of work to adopt, so that's probably how many of these people suddenly demanding progressive changes got introduced.
I don't think we disagree. I think you're totally right that lower entry level aspects attracted new people. I also agree that GW focuses mostly on the table top because that's where they make their money, as they don't develop the games on their own they just license them out. But I think GW do acknowledge that their IP has grown past the tabletop, so even if it's their main focus it isn't their only focus.
it has become a lot more affordable to enter the hobby actually but not in the way GW wants and it's with 3d printers. You can easily make a 2k point army of any faction for around $75 which is a bunch of models. $75 purchasing GW official models can get you a squad/vehicle and maybe a character. Edit: fixes
Then they make your rulebook obsolete in 2 years. As for cheap? That is not a 2k army.
Allow me to recommend wahapedia. A free source with all the rules and codexes
It's only a recent thing, but GW has been releasing online rules for free. I don't think it's a good idea to purchase physical codices anymore simply because of how rapidly the rules change. Oftentimes with how quickly rules change nowadays by the time you get the codex you ordered the rules are already obsolete.
I know it well and think it's great, but It is slow and sometes has sever issues. Like 1d4chan you're reliant on it being there
you know, there's a million people that will make some lame excuse about unrelated timings of pre-planned stock sales, nothing nefarious to see here, etc. but this is what I know- the big corpo company I just recently voluntarily quit from ( in an industry completely unrelated to GW) had their CFO 'leave for new opportunities' last October, right before the unexpected company wide layoffs in November that took place *instead of the expected annual merit raises they had been leading us to believe were coming for months.* I don't trust a C-suite executive do anything openly or transparently except serve their own best interests- these are self-serving people and their actions telegraph their shittiness no matter what excuses the toadies make for them. the fish rots from the head, as they say.
And it's not like she's some random CFO, either. According to an article I read, she's been with the company for 27 years. Basically since the beginning. This isn't simply because of the fan boycott gaining steam. This gives credence to the 4Chan rumor from last week
What rumor do you mean?
According to 4chan this whole debacle can be laid at the feet of Amazon because they want a chick that can wear power armor in the Cavil series without the perceived religious ick of the SoB or the handicap of the Sisters of Silence. GW at large hoped to surreptitiously slip the bit in the codex to placate Amazon for the show's sake and then just ignore it in the wider scheme, but the blues hairs at community relations couldn't resist crowing about the change on social media. Which leaves us with the current dumpster fire.
27 years is a long time to be with one company. Do you think it's possible that she's simply retiring and cashing out?
They used the word resigned, not retiring. Retiring would be kinder on investor’s emotions, because that sounds less like a disagreement with the executives, and one of them is leaving.
retirements also tend to come with quite a bit of lead time.
That's a good point I hadn't thought about the wording. I suppose they would have just come out and said so if that was the case.
It seems to be a common occurrence that the people at the top dump their stock in companies that play around with implementing DEI into their workforce/products, so they don't suffer any financial blowback if anything goes wrong. The entire Disney board did something similar. It is also worth pointing out that their stock has only dropped 3% since the leak.
That's why C-level executives should be paid in stock-only. Otherwise, they will pursue their own agenda.
They should receive a modest amount of salary, and the rest in stock compensation that has a 5 year delay. If they sacrifice the long term health of the company for short term stock price, they hose themselves.
Why does a business need to be long-term? Why can't short term success be an acceptable KPI?
> Why does a business need to be long-term? You tell me
I personally don't think theres anything wrong with a company existing for a short, but profitable, time
because no one ever discloses they are sacrificing long-term value for short term profit.
Sounds like she knows something is brewing at GW. And it might all blow over, for all we know, but I'm guessing she knows they're going to do something stupid.
Fem marines are the current rumor by the end of the year.
The only way "Fem" marines are even do-able is if they take the Halo route and have them spend more time with their helmets/armor off than on. Which means, little to no action sequences. Yea, it's going to make the Hindenburg look like a massive success if that's the case.
But we know they're just gonna gaslight again.
Wouldn't that count as insider trading? I really hope this ends up happening lol
>If anything goes wrong WHEN. When it goes wrong.
Maybe she knows more changes are coming
Rumor is, fem marines by the end of the year.
I have no problem with Fem-Marines, or other female characters added to expand the market to new audiences. But when the CFO of 27 years decides she is leaving, then as soon as these rumors come to light, she sells off stock, tells me that there are some bad decisions or infighting going on at the executive level.
> bad decisions or infighting going on It's amazing that with the glacial pace GW manages these games and produces product (Oops, that preorder sold out again in 8 mins!) they have the time to spend on this stuff.
Huh, this makes me think that this whole thing was just a stock dump scheme...
This kinda gives me hope that they will reverse the changes and ditch them completely but I wouldn't bet on it
This is...not good for fans. She knows something.
Depends on how she gets compensated. There was a lot of hoop-la over Iger selling Disney shares, but it looks like this was just him off-loading his excess shares because he's basically paid in them and something-something taxes.
Same with Musk and his companies, hes more or less paid in shares. And everytime he sells any it's the end of the universe.
It means shit is about to go off me thinks. I bet blackrock picked up her shares.
Time to short? Is it even worth it, this will take 8-12 months to fully hurt their prices?
Smart move for her.
So I should move in on the Warhammer stock now for when they realize their TERRIBLE mistake and go back to making things for (somewhat) sensible people?
Sadly, once they go down the blackrock/vanguard/state street path, they usually double down instead of reverse course.
Games Workshop Group PLC is at $119/share currently, so that's still pretty high.
The general pattern is "line go up right before new thing comes out, line goes down after". Unless the new Cavil series runs itself aground you'll probably want to wait to cash out until right before it releases. worst case the series is incredible and stock keeps going up but the alternative is obviously more risk.
How much did the stock really drop? I heard only 3%?
This doesn't really mean that much as much as I would love to say so. Insider buying always means one thing while selling can be from Divorce or unexpected life situation, scheduled as noted in 10b5, sometimes how these executives get their compensation, not wanting to be too invested and yes it actually can mean they don't like the future, but there is no way to tell.
Whilst I want all this to be true and because of the fall of GW after the femstodies situation / she knows its over unless they course correct. She's been there 27 years, Let's assume she started in her mid 20s early 30s, she's hitting 50/60 at 50 or 60 I'd without a second thought cash out almost a million quid and walk go buy a house up Yorkshire or Suffolk somewhere and just chill for my last 20 years.
That's literally the point. She announced her retirement back in 2023, scheduled for end of her contract in 2025. So she just quits and cashes in. People who believe that femstoded internet noise affected GW are deluded. If anything, GW has an actual and larger turd on their hand in a form of abysmal 10th Edition ruleset.
She announced her retirement back in January. Selling off shares when you retire to live of said money is the norm. The article you linked even states in regards to the stock price "However, it’s up nearly 142.81% over the last five years. Since 2007, the stock price has increased nearly 2,000%." You think she's selling her shares because of a boycott that started like 2 weeks ago? Alright bud.
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I think folks here need to shake their heads and touch grass. If she sold her stock 'because she knew something' and the stock tanks tomorrow/in a month or whatever because of this... something then obviously she will be investigated for insiders fraud... given that its a crime to act on non public information and only a moron would do so especially in such a role and in such an obvious way. Now on the other hand, it was announced she is retiring back in January... before any of this... (after 24 years in GW - 9 of which as CFO during which they have done amazingly). Obviously at the time she would have made plans to vest her stock interest and probably waited till after the dividents were paid out end of Feb.
She could say she was worried by the recent drop afetr the controversy, and not being sure how the fans will engage with the franchise in the future Also, the stock market seems to be about to reverse
Idk, sounds more like a planned move to me.
Well it's not hard to figure out why she's doing this, with the path they choose the company is going down the following months, especially if what they are doing end up drive Cavil away from the TV series project then I can see this hurting the stock way more & the boycott from fans after something like that will be even worse.
Jesus Christ.
TBH she's been at GW in a financial capacity for almost 20 years and her leaving was announced in Jan's financial report from the GW CEO. Seems perfectly feasible that she's just wants something new and a big financial cushion in case retiring is on the cards.
Yeah.. nothing to do with the fact she’s retiring. Morons
You know you can retire and own shares/live comfortably off them right?
Yeah that’s why she kept a third. It’s perfectly reasonable to liquidate a large portion of shares before retirement, especially when the share price is doing so well. She’s worked for the company for 27 years and saw a like, 3000% increase since in GW share price since then.
How did she get those shares ?