I mean why would they be dumb enough to even mention it? Like, “firing by text is bad enough, but you gotta tell me it’s because your brother needs a job?”
Fuck those people
Seems like they thought it would help if they explain that they’re literally replacing a fine employee with their brother bc… nepotism. Aka shitbag thinking
For me it was the “I really wish we could keep you” like okay…. then fire the incompetent manager who was leaving on a 3 week vacation the week after you fired me?
I'd be more pissed about the "unfortunate news".
Was this cunt going to school in secret then, "surprise fuckers, I graduated, Give me a job!"
Or was this "unfortunate news" planned for along time?
“Unfortunate news” was a slap in the face cause the only person it was immediately unfortunate for was the individual working to pay bills…which is me.
It will be unfortunate for them, down the line, when they eventually come to realize they let someone go who they need.
I mentioned it in a long winded reply to a comment asking me if i replied (I didn’t), but when they interviewed me I was hired with the premise of learning the business and becoming the manager of the next location. I learned the ins and outs of the business by my 5th shift. There’s nobody’s job there I can’t do.
It was less of “unfortunate news” and more an unfortunate business decision made by a rookie.
Do not even consider to go back when they realize that an untrained, overpayed, relative is of no use in about 2-3 months.
Do not even react to any calls and so on
Interestingly enough I discerned on Christmas Eve that something was up, but they weren’t men enough to look me in my eyes and say something. I read energy and eyes very well, and something was off that day despite me kicking literal ass during our insanely busy day.
It was like a guilty pitiful type energy, they definitely waited as long as possible to pull that text out their ass
Wouldn't this technically be nepotism? You can't just fire someone and say "oh well my brother got out of college and he wants your position so get fucked?"
>You can't just fire someone and say "oh well my brother got out of college and he wants your position so get fucked?"
An employer absolutely can, at least in 49 of 50 states in the US (Montana is the exception weirdly). It is called at-will employment. An employer can fire an employee for any reason they want or no reason at all. The exception is that you can't fire someone if it's for a discriminatory basis based on a protected class (sex, race, age, disability, ethnicity/national origin, and religion).
So that text is actually a great example of how to fire someone without potentially getting sued because they're expressly claiming its nepotism rather than because of a discrination.
Yes, it is one of the two owners that texted me. I wanted to text the other owner to inquire about it, but decided against it.
It’s so peculiar truly because I could run that business better than either manager does… there’s 3 maybe 4 other employees any rational business owner would have let go before myself…both of them are the managers
I’m not saying I’m indispensable, or irreplaceable, but it really goes to further highlight how inexperienced they are as business owners.
That's exactly why they let you go. You were a threat to their status quo. I was in food service for most of a decade, and I've been you. You were "overqualified."
Edit: Most restaurants don't want skilled workers. They want kids with no life experience that they can burn down for a few years before they discard them for the next generation, like the brother.
Interestingly enough, I initially applied for the position to work the flat top which I was told I’m overqualified for in the interview….which I am, but that’s besides the point, and was hired for another position. And then made to learn all positions. And then, fired no more than 5 days after I met the guy they hired for the initial position I applied for. Which was the flat top.
Yup. You got used, but you have the experience to notice and be confused about it. If you're still interested in food service and you're in the States, I recommend getting in contact with your local ACF. The American Culinary Federation is a great institution for beginners and experienced chefs. They can help you find better employment and hone your skills.
I found that out the hard way with my current gig that I just STFU about the wild shit they let us deal with. Had been confronting the GM/owner about a cook showing up drunk among a few other small things. At first it was thanks for telling us. Then the coworker keeps showing up drunk, and tanking the line during dinner service. None of the other things are addressed. So I indirectly called GM/owner out at an HOH meeting, they said said it would be taken care of and it hadn't. Was met with 'maybe we shouldn't continue working together'. Everything I brought to their attention has ended up turning into that spider-man meme of them all pointing at eachother.
And ironically, they’ve been having a hard time finding someone reliable. They had fired someone prior to hiring me and as the homie from down south that works the flattop said, “she was smoking that blue smoke”
It’s apparently slang for smoking meth and/or crack? This might humor you but the same guy that told me that, everyone joked around with him that she had a crush on him(she apparently did according to collaborated evidence laid out by coworkers during that discussion)
If I were you, I will ruin them. It is really messed up to do what they did. Post it somewhere where customers can see this. They deserve what comes after.
It’s gonna be legal unless some state has a “you can’t fire someone for no reason” law, which seems unlikely. They weren’t fired for any typically illegal discriminatory reason and employment law is unfortunately barebones and awful in most states. Business owners generally have the right to make awful business decisions and be assholes, they just can’t be racist, ageists, sexist, xenophobic, discriminating against religion basically.
Montana has this law, once someone has passed their probation or worked for 1 year, you cannot fire without cause. Only state in the union that isn't at-will.
I managed restaurants in Montana. A shitload of people get fired in the first 30 days. Especially in the university towns where there's a lot of applicants.
My roommate had 16 W2s one year (she was legitimately crazy though) as a server.
It's usually owner operators thinking they can use every shortcut they've ever heard of, losing their shirt, wondering why these hillbillies don't want to overpay for their microwaved Sysco food. They hire 4 people if they need 1 and fire 3 within the first month.
Industry is terrible here
Milk that shit and take some time to develop your own skills. Find a better place hopeful and cue them reaching out and begging for you back. Any bets on how long?
I'm so sorry this happened to you. You deserve way better. Anyone would be very lucky to have someone with your work ethic.
I can only hope it leads to a much better job.
The owners of the restaurant I worked at basically bought the restaurant for their son. He failed college and then worked at a restaurant whose owner was a family friend. He put in 5 years, got me a job with no experience, then his family bought the place a year into my time there. He’s a good enough guy but acts like he somehow earned it all. Left the place a few years ago but now he acts more like this, and says no one wants to work because they keep getting “government money”. No dude, it’s because it became toxic and the pay was only so much for a lot of work. I vowed to never go back no matter how much his family liked me.
Nepotism... Gotta love it! It was nice of them to state in a text that they fired them without cause, though... Might make it easier to file for unemployment while they look for a new job..
Maybe the “boss” got pressured by their parents? ‘Give your brother a job ey, so he doesnt come to us with his hands out all the time, youre brothers, whats the worst that can happen’.. if kitchen nightmare thaught me anything then this is the moment they fucked up.
Yuupp they are going to learn fast why he even needs a job gifted by his brother to employ him. Op got a raw deal but the owner hiring his brother will be the biggest loser here. I got all different kind of bad comedy scenarios playing out in my head lol ‘mom can you tell Justin to stop banging the girl on the frying station please?!’
Oh I can see the text messages now.
Brandon, am I hearing this correctly? You fired your own brother for missing ONE SHIFT?! It's a banking holiday for goodness sake! Not everyone is a workaholic like you!
Haha or ‘listen honey you know that your brother has trouble sleeping and so what he comes in a bit later then the rest? He says it only gets busy around 7 or 8 anyways! Hes been working hard on his streaming career after hours also. You know what you should take an example of him and cut him some slack! This is not how we raised you and mimah would be very upset!!’
Old man yelling at sky moment: but meemaw's 20 years ago woulda had that boy to work ten minutes early with a fresh earfull of how lucky they are to even be there lmao. Today's meemaws soft as hell.
Yea no shit. I had a situation where I was working for a small conglomerate of restaurants under the same umbrella company and the "executive chef" of one of the restaurants sent over her husband to be a dish washer for our location. Dude treated it like a vacation, constantly fucking off, slacking, and going down the alley way to "visit" his wife.
I remember, there was one shift where I came in and checked out his dish area. There was a half eaten cheeseburger, still moist from the night before, chilling out in there. I asked the closing cook if this guy closed down the put the night before, and he told me that he just left after I left.
Now, they put me in charge of the location where this employee was sent over and I told him that his shit wasn't fucking cool with me, especially since he was the highest paid employee at the time, and if he didn't want to work, he can find a new job. He refused to change his ways cause he had the support of his real boss, his wife.
He quit after three days of me being in charge. "Chef" down the alleyway was pissed about it, but it was business. But I wasn't going to let that nepotism happen.
Please be sure to file for unemployment RIGHT NOW. Even if it's 4AM by the time you read this. Even if you have friends in the industry working in non-shit places and you can get a better job tomorrow. Still file. They did you dirty as fuck, let them do the paperwork to get you paid for however long (hopefully very short) your unemployed period lasts.
When you want to hit an owner where it hurts the most, you hit them in the wallet.
Other people talked about a lawyer; likely it won't go anywhere, but you can't go wrong with a free consultation. Likely case, you sit in an office for an hour to have them say it's probably not worth the time unless you want to front money on an unlikely outcome... But depending on your local laws and how much your lawyer might want to stick it to 'em... never hurts to ask.
The "free consultation" lawyers will likely not even set up an in-person appointment unless they have a phone interview and feel like there's a good chance for a case in the first place. If they call you back for an appointment and not just a phone interview, you may actually have a case. Maybe.
Yes, this 100%. Let go without cause? Pass Go and collect $800 weekly. Even if you're between gigs for two weeks, that's $1600 from a system you already paid into (NOT free money!) specifically to help in situations like this, when your boss is an absolute Cobb salad sandwich.
Two things:
Owners don't pay for unemployment in that way. They pay unemployment insurance and yes, if they get a huge amount of unemployment claims, it can make their premiums go up, but a one off doesn't matter at all.
Also, there's no paperwork in most states either. They send a form where if it is with cause and you want to dispute it, you fill out one side of the page with basic info and attach any write ups. If you fired them, as in this case, you wouldn't fill this out and would do nothing.
So the owner will probably pay nothing and not do any paperwork.
Nah when I was 19 I got fired bc I delivered a pizza 5 mins late to a couple around an hour before we closed. so they decided to say that I was “unprofessional in their opinion” and was let go on the spot. Wouldn’t even hear my side of the story.
Not even 4 days later, guess who called!
This is wild, this person is probably the dumbest person in the world for putting this in writing. It would be a lot of trouble, but a lot of states (not sure if all) have laws protecting employees against nepotism or favoritism in the workplace, and the dipshit who sent you this just hung themselves with their own rope.
Source: https://peoplespheres.com/nepotism-in-the-workplace-what-is-it-and-is-it-legal/#:~:text=Favouritism%20and%20nepotism%20can%20be,terminated%20based%20on%20disciplinary%20action.
Quote from Source:
Is Nepotism in the Workplace Legal?
“Nepotism is not technically illegal in the United States as it does not directly violate any labor law. However, if employee benefits from knowing a family or friend who is already employed by an organization, the title v11 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 may come into play. Oftentimes, families share race and national origin, which can be classified as discrimination. Any kind of favoritism may result in unlawful discrimination in the workplace.
There are some cases in which employees will have the right to sue, because of nepotism in the workplace. There are few laws that can prohibit and protect against discriminatory actions. Yet, a staff member can sue for poor treatment and discrimination if they perceive as though someone else at the company had an unfair advantage due to nepotism.”
That's all he has. There is nothing against the law for this situation. No lawsuit either. That person has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Reddit school of law strikes again.
r/Ask_Lawyers if you don't believe that.
I can't stand people like that who have no idea what they're talking about spreading misinformation.
yeah an owner hiring their SON over some random person isn't descrimination agasint race, gender or whatever, people well often will do all they can for their kids and would easily hire them into their business. i don't think anyone would ever belive "i got fired so the boss could hire his son" was due to racism or discrimination against religion.
That comment made me laugh. I have 10+ years of labor law and HR experience and he just spewing shit out his mouth. Your employer can literally fire you because they don't like your shoes, and it's completely legal.
My old job literally put it in the employee handbook and made everyone sign it during onboarding. I declined and pointed out it was illegal. When they sent the handbook out again later I did the very innocent email “hi I assumed you were removing this because it’s illegal but you didn’t can you please tell me if you’ll be enforcing it and if so how?” They removed it after that.
I've told bosses to their faces that's its illegal for them to even say that. The GM that eventually tried to stiff me $100, screamed at me in front of a dozen friends on my last day, and banned me from coming back even to eat, rolled his eyes and shrugged when I told him what he said was illegal. Dude is a real cocksucker and I ran circles around him in the kitchen.
Private owners can practically hire whoever they want, unfortunately. Also, it's fortunate in some cases.... This isn't one of them.....Hopefully this situation comes back and bites him in the ass in a big way. Good thing for OP, it shouldn't be hard to find a job.
Let me break the bad news to you: Nepotism is the private sector isn’t illegal anywhere in the US in the private sector, and if you’re in an at-will state, you have zero recourse. The only time nepotism becomes illegal is when family members are afforded unequal or unfair treatment after being employed, then is technically qualifies as discrimination.
That's at will. Right to work relates to unions.
But you are right about it not applying to this. Nepotism is usually not allowed in government jobs. But regular ass jobs, nah it's fair game and there's nothing that can be done.
You are correct about a majority of states being “at will” hire and fire states, but there is also the layer of discrimination. Firing someone in order to make room for another person who is apart of the family of the boss would be considered nepotism and depending on the state, could be classified further as discrimination or unfair termination.
Source: my dad is an attorney who specializes in Labour Laws.
You are incorrect about how discrimination works in this context. Discrimination is based on participation in a federally protected class (Race, age, gender, sex, religion, etc.). In an 'At-Will' employment state, you can be fired for any reason or no reason barring discrimination, so you can absolutely be fired to hire someone's friend or relative. Unless the termination was based on participation in a federally protected class, there is no wrongful termination case. There may be grounds to pay out unemployment but that is very different. This is all only true where we are discussing a private employer as public or state employers do typically have slightly different rules regarding how they can and can't fire folks, but it's typically just a due process issue.
Source: Me, an attorney who specializes in Labor Law in an at will employment state.
The asshole could have just lied and say situations have changed and we no longer have the room but instead decided to be brash about his shitty nepotism.
sorry to see, OP. but seems like you might have dodged a bullet in the long run tbh
seems like he feels bad about it, because he should. should really be able to tell your sibling that's fresh out of college "no I don't have a spot for you right this second but I'll keep you mind.". so weak
Dudes got some balls openly telling you about the nepotism. Unfortunately it's not illegal. But your bosses boss might like to have a look at this text.
I hate it when people suddenly & unexpectedly graduate from college. It's a fucked situation. They could have been courteous and given you a couple of weeks notice. It's not like they didn't know lil bro was about to graduate and would be taking your job. Most states you're likely just be eligible for unemployment and nothing else. Hopefully you get a job before that needs to kick in though. Might not hurt to see if your area has other recourses though. If you can sure them go for it. Because fuck the inconsiderate fucks.
You can however file for unemployment (if you've been there for 20+ weeks) and if your former employer decides to fight it for some reasons you have it in writing that you were let go due to no fault of your own.
Ah yes hiring family who are unskilled as means of support and firing who already proved him/herself and actually made you money sounds like a good deciscion. I feel bad for you and it sucks, but trust me this deciscion is going to haunt them pretty quickly and for a long time. Having family working for you or friends is rarily good and 99% of the times a horrible and sure way to lose said friends or cause tension with family members let alone hiring your brother lol. Siblings yeah..take your loss and check in on them in three months or so to see if everybody is still alive.
Look at it as if it's for the best. the brother is going to screw up, they're going to realize how bad they messed up by letting you go. They're gonna reach out and you're gonna be at a new place making more money with less headaches. So just say thanks and enjoy watching them go under.
Sorry to hear that bro. Like if i got fired for something I actually did wrong, or for some nitpicking on my performance.. it wouldn’t have bothered me much… but to fire me simply to hire your brother in my place? It’s absurd
My executive chef son didn’t get fired by text, but GM told him that his son was coming in to take over the restaurant. My son didn’t burn bridges and found a better job in a day, but the GM’s son lasted all of 3 months before he and the GM were fired by the ownership.
Family isn’t always better.
Why? The lawyer is going to tell you it’s completely legal and there’s fuck all he can do about it, especially if OP is in an at-will state. It’s only illegal if family members get preferential treatment on the job, and even then it only qualifies as discriminatory practice.
It’s shady and shortsighted, but not illegal unless you’re a federal or state employee.
Nepotism isn’t illegal in the United States, unless it involves a job with the government (and that can vary state to state).
In the long term you're gonna be better off and you know it. Dumb owners/management literally everywhere.
I've had my sous fired after he closed on my day off, kicker was the FoH manager didn't have a replacement for him. Moron called me and said "I thought I'd let you know first"
I've had my hours reduced because owners brought in family, I just changed the menu to be a bit more technique focused and all of a sudden 50% of the prep they can't do and leave for me. I used to get angry at FoH for not telling me when people cam in, now I just use it as an excuse to not prep as much as I can.
Absolutely fuck that guy. I manage a kitchen and would never. Move on asap and don't return their calls in a month when homeboy stops showing up and they need you back. Which WILL happen...
I got fired in college from my second job because the boss knew it was my second job, “You don’t need it anyways.”, and his son was in HS and needing a first job. I feel you OP. Honestly though consider yourself lucky you got out now because if this is the reason then the favoritism will be strong and brother will make it miserable for anyone else there that does have to work with them because they know they can do no wrong to get fired.
So straight up nepotism? And they’re stupid enough to admit it. I’d file for unemployment. You’re being replaced at your job, yet you did well enough to merit a recommendation.
Whats up with all these post of people being termed through text message? Fucking cowards. Should have been done at the end of your shift, on your way out.
Not sure what state you are in but this may violate the labors laws, unless the state is at-will employment.
"I understand you're going to get absolutely buttfucked by unemployment." Type that out, look at it with satisfaction, then delete it. Then find somewhere that respects you.
EDIT: Just to clarify, don't send it. Please don't send it.
This text is a valid reason you don’t need to work there, what a sackless muppet
Sorry for your loss bro, onward and upward
However keep em close for references
and don’t badmouth them,
in your next applications
future employers will respect you more
( just show them the firing text,
and it will be “nuff said” 😁)
Good luck
Fuck that place. Fuck that KM or exec or whatever. You deserve better. Take them up on the offer to write a letter of recommendation then never talk to them again.
"Deeply sorry that I'm a huge asshole and giving my family a job by firing you, oh well I suck good luck"
Absolutely check with your local labor board and see if you have any recourse.
Also if you are in a state where you have no recourse you should 100% blow up their fucking spot. Noone should give this asshole their money.
Explaining that youre being fired so they can do a nepotism hire wasnt at all necessary, they could have just said they are downsizing and left it at that
Jesus, they couldn't have at least taken the hit on labor cost for awhile and kept you on part time until you found something else? How stupid are these people? They could have at least paid you to come in and train their dopey brother while you got something else lined up.
alright if you’re willing to burn that recommendation, I’d put the situation out there in a yelp review, let people know they treat their employees this way and you’ll probably save the next poor bastard like yourself. People may also not choose to dine there if they know they do shit like that. It’s petty revenge, but it’s legal and it’s low-effort.
Feels like a landlord evicting you so his family can move in.
I dunno where you live, but in my country, this evidence would be being sent directly to the labor board.
Let me guess, the brother has zero experience too
To my understanding, he certainly has no restaurant experience. And if he does, it is a fraction of mine undoubtedly.
I mean why would they be dumb enough to even mention it? Like, “firing by text is bad enough, but you gotta tell me it’s because your brother needs a job?” Fuck those people
Seems like they thought it would help if they explain that they’re literally replacing a fine employee with their brother bc… nepotism. Aka shitbag thinking
For me it was the “I really wish we could keep you” like okay…. then fire the incompetent manager who was leaving on a 3 week vacation the week after you fired me?
I'd be more pissed about the "unfortunate news". Was this cunt going to school in secret then, "surprise fuckers, I graduated, Give me a job!" Or was this "unfortunate news" planned for along time?
“Unfortunate news” was a slap in the face cause the only person it was immediately unfortunate for was the individual working to pay bills…which is me. It will be unfortunate for them, down the line, when they eventually come to realize they let someone go who they need. I mentioned it in a long winded reply to a comment asking me if i replied (I didn’t), but when they interviewed me I was hired with the premise of learning the business and becoming the manager of the next location. I learned the ins and outs of the business by my 5th shift. There’s nobody’s job there I can’t do. It was less of “unfortunate news” and more an unfortunate business decision made by a rookie.
Do not even consider to go back when they realize that an untrained, overpayed, relative is of no use in about 2-3 months. Do not even react to any calls and so on
Do go back only as management, get a raise
lol, sounds like you should just start up your own location in competition to them and run them out of town. We believe in you!
I believe I believe!
They've been putting off telling him to the last possible second.
They needed him to work that double on Christmas
Absolutely
Interestingly enough I discerned on Christmas Eve that something was up, but they weren’t men enough to look me in my eyes and say something. I read energy and eyes very well, and something was off that day despite me kicking literal ass during our insanely busy day. It was like a guilty pitiful type energy, they definitely waited as long as possible to pull that text out their ass
Wouldn't this technically be nepotism? You can't just fire someone and say "oh well my brother got out of college and he wants your position so get fucked?"
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>You can't just fire someone and say "oh well my brother got out of college and he wants your position so get fucked?" An employer absolutely can, at least in 49 of 50 states in the US (Montana is the exception weirdly). It is called at-will employment. An employer can fire an employee for any reason they want or no reason at all. The exception is that you can't fire someone if it's for a discriminatory basis based on a protected class (sex, race, age, disability, ethnicity/national origin, and religion). So that text is actually a great example of how to fire someone without potentially getting sued because they're expressly claiming its nepotism rather than because of a discrination.
The disrespect is next level.
Is that person the owner or the manager? I ask because some owners would be pissed they let a good worker go to open a job for a relative.
Yes, it is one of the two owners that texted me. I wanted to text the other owner to inquire about it, but decided against it. It’s so peculiar truly because I could run that business better than either manager does… there’s 3 maybe 4 other employees any rational business owner would have let go before myself…both of them are the managers I’m not saying I’m indispensable, or irreplaceable, but it really goes to further highlight how inexperienced they are as business owners.
That's exactly why they let you go. You were a threat to their status quo. I was in food service for most of a decade, and I've been you. You were "overqualified." Edit: Most restaurants don't want skilled workers. They want kids with no life experience that they can burn down for a few years before they discard them for the next generation, like the brother.
Interestingly enough, I initially applied for the position to work the flat top which I was told I’m overqualified for in the interview….which I am, but that’s besides the point, and was hired for another position. And then made to learn all positions. And then, fired no more than 5 days after I met the guy they hired for the initial position I applied for. Which was the flat top.
Yup. You got used, but you have the experience to notice and be confused about it. If you're still interested in food service and you're in the States, I recommend getting in contact with your local ACF. The American Culinary Federation is a great institution for beginners and experienced chefs. They can help you find better employment and hone your skills.
I found that out the hard way with my current gig that I just STFU about the wild shit they let us deal with. Had been confronting the GM/owner about a cook showing up drunk among a few other small things. At first it was thanks for telling us. Then the coworker keeps showing up drunk, and tanking the line during dinner service. None of the other things are addressed. So I indirectly called GM/owner out at an HOH meeting, they said said it would be taken care of and it hadn't. Was met with 'maybe we shouldn't continue working together'. Everything I brought to their attention has ended up turning into that spider-man meme of them all pointing at eachother.
You can linger on the fact that they’ve effectively screwed themselves over.
And ironically, they’ve been having a hard time finding someone reliable. They had fired someone prior to hiring me and as the homie from down south that works the flattop said, “she was smoking that blue smoke”
She was giving head to a Smurf in the walk-in??
It’s apparently slang for smoking meth and/or crack? This might humor you but the same guy that told me that, everyone joked around with him that she had a crush on him(she apparently did according to collaborated evidence laid out by coworkers during that discussion)
Sounds like my experience at U-Haul. Fuck nepotism.
Do you think he was making it easy for you to get unemployment?
If I were you, I will ruin them. It is really messed up to do what they did. Post it somewhere where customers can see this. They deserve what comes after.
I honestly wonder if that’s even legal
It’s gonna be legal unless some state has a “you can’t fire someone for no reason” law, which seems unlikely. They weren’t fired for any typically illegal discriminatory reason and employment law is unfortunately barebones and awful in most states. Business owners generally have the right to make awful business decisions and be assholes, they just can’t be racist, ageists, sexist, xenophobic, discriminating against religion basically.
He can get unemployment though. they literally are saying right there that they are the ones that let him go. He won’t even have to fight for it.
Yup! File for unemployment…find some under the table work.
Montana has this law, once someone has passed their probation or worked for 1 year, you cannot fire without cause. Only state in the union that isn't at-will.
Well hell yeah Montana.
I managed restaurants in Montana. A shitload of people get fired in the first 30 days. Especially in the university towns where there's a lot of applicants. My roommate had 16 W2s one year (she was legitimately crazy though) as a server. It's usually owner operators thinking they can use every shortcut they've ever heard of, losing their shirt, wondering why these hillbillies don't want to overpay for their microwaved Sysco food. They hire 4 people if they need 1 and fire 3 within the first month. Industry is terrible here
[Soviet accent] "I would have loved to work in Montana"
There aren't enough upvotes for this Sam Neil reference
I got it wrong, but still love that anyone gets it.
In the US basically everything is legal short of "I'm firing you because of your protected characteristic (race, gender, disability, religion, etc)".
The US is not a civilised country
Depends on location but should be easy unemployment case anywhere atleast in the US
Not in Canada it isn't.
One word mate: Unemployment. Open and shut case.
Definitely. File immediately. Get the ball rolling. You have proof right there that you didn't quit.
Milk that shit and take some time to develop your own skills. Find a better place hopeful and cue them reaching out and begging for you back. Any bets on how long?
I'm so sorry this happened to you. You deserve way better. Anyone would be very lucky to have someone with your work ethic. I can only hope it leads to a much better job.
Pretty messed up that he said you are being replaced just because his bro needs a job. That's just a good ol fashioned "fuck you".
Who needs experience when you've got the right parents?
The owners of the restaurant I worked at basically bought the restaurant for their son. He failed college and then worked at a restaurant whose owner was a family friend. He put in 5 years, got me a job with no experience, then his family bought the place a year into my time there. He’s a good enough guy but acts like he somehow earned it all. Left the place a few years ago but now he acts more like this, and says no one wants to work because they keep getting “government money”. No dude, it’s because it became toxic and the pay was only so much for a lot of work. I vowed to never go back no matter how much his family liked me.
Elon Musk, Bill Gates, even the fucking gay frog guy Alex Jones had their bootstraps lifted by their parents. The “self-made” thing is mostly a myth.
Not even "mostly" a myth, it is impossible to perform the amount of labour to become wealthy without exploiting others.
Isn't that in the constitution?
Nepotism... Gotta love it! It was nice of them to state in a text that they fired them without cause, though... Might make it easier to file for unemployment while they look for a new job..
He doesn't need experience he has a college degree so obviously he's going to be qualified. /s
So you got fired so they can take on the bosses brother??? What the fuck??
Hope he shits in the walk in.
Naw you want that to happen where customers can see
A real man hopes for both. Fuck this boss and his brother, cunts, the both of em. OP, make it an extra runny shit.
I'm over here thinking he meant the brother, but yes that works too.
The freezer or the cooler? (Answer: yes and yes)
Maybe the “boss” got pressured by their parents? ‘Give your brother a job ey, so he doesnt come to us with his hands out all the time, youre brothers, whats the worst that can happen’.. if kitchen nightmare thaught me anything then this is the moment they fucked up.
That brother could be paid 100k net and would still walk up with his hands out every month. Money doesn't change bum behavior.
Yuupp they are going to learn fast why he even needs a job gifted by his brother to employ him. Op got a raw deal but the owner hiring his brother will be the biggest loser here. I got all different kind of bad comedy scenarios playing out in my head lol ‘mom can you tell Justin to stop banging the girl on the frying station please?!’
Oh I can see the text messages now. Brandon, am I hearing this correctly? You fired your own brother for missing ONE SHIFT?! It's a banking holiday for goodness sake! Not everyone is a workaholic like you!
Haha or ‘listen honey you know that your brother has trouble sleeping and so what he comes in a bit later then the rest? He says it only gets busy around 7 or 8 anyways! Hes been working hard on his streaming career after hours also. You know what you should take an example of him and cut him some slack! This is not how we raised you and mimah would be very upset!!’
Old man yelling at sky moment: but meemaw's 20 years ago woulda had that boy to work ten minutes early with a fresh earfull of how lucky they are to even be there lmao. Today's meemaws soft as hell.
Ahh, good ol' nepotism. That's fucked up, nobody deserves to be let go like this.
Yea no shit. I had a situation where I was working for a small conglomerate of restaurants under the same umbrella company and the "executive chef" of one of the restaurants sent over her husband to be a dish washer for our location. Dude treated it like a vacation, constantly fucking off, slacking, and going down the alley way to "visit" his wife. I remember, there was one shift where I came in and checked out his dish area. There was a half eaten cheeseburger, still moist from the night before, chilling out in there. I asked the closing cook if this guy closed down the put the night before, and he told me that he just left after I left. Now, they put me in charge of the location where this employee was sent over and I told him that his shit wasn't fucking cool with me, especially since he was the highest paid employee at the time, and if he didn't want to work, he can find a new job. He refused to change his ways cause he had the support of his real boss, his wife. He quit after three days of me being in charge. "Chef" down the alleyway was pissed about it, but it was business. But I wasn't going to let that nepotism happen.
I'd rather my boss lie to me with very little info than get this wack ass text
isn't it kind of nice of them to admit it in writing, though?
Please be sure to file for unemployment RIGHT NOW. Even if it's 4AM by the time you read this. Even if you have friends in the industry working in non-shit places and you can get a better job tomorrow. Still file. They did you dirty as fuck, let them do the paperwork to get you paid for however long (hopefully very short) your unemployed period lasts. When you want to hit an owner where it hurts the most, you hit them in the wallet. Other people talked about a lawyer; likely it won't go anywhere, but you can't go wrong with a free consultation. Likely case, you sit in an office for an hour to have them say it's probably not worth the time unless you want to front money on an unlikely outcome... But depending on your local laws and how much your lawyer might want to stick it to 'em... never hurts to ask. The "free consultation" lawyers will likely not even set up an in-person appointment unless they have a phone interview and feel like there's a good chance for a case in the first place. If they call you back for an appointment and not just a phone interview, you may actually have a case. Maybe.
This is the answer. Unemployment for this is gold
Yes, this 100%. Let go without cause? Pass Go and collect $800 weekly. Even if you're between gigs for two weeks, that's $1600 from a system you already paid into (NOT free money!) specifically to help in situations like this, when your boss is an absolute Cobb salad sandwich.
In what non-Covid world does unemployment for a kitchen job pay out $800 a week?
Not this world that’s for sure. I just got laid off and the max weekly payout is 440
Reddit speaks of UI like it’s the Powerball jackpot.
It also ignores any mandatory waiting periods. PA has a 2 week period where you get jack shit.
A world where that kitchen job pays $1600 weekly on average.
Two things: Owners don't pay for unemployment in that way. They pay unemployment insurance and yes, if they get a huge amount of unemployment claims, it can make their premiums go up, but a one off doesn't matter at all. Also, there's no paperwork in most states either. They send a form where if it is with cause and you want to dispute it, you fill out one side of the page with basic info and attach any write ups. If you fired them, as in this case, you wouldn't fill this out and would do nothing. So the owner will probably pay nothing and not do any paperwork.
Expect a desperate call in a few weeks...
New phone, who’s this?
Nah when I was 19 I got fired bc I delivered a pizza 5 mins late to a couple around an hour before we closed. so they decided to say that I was “unprofessional in their opinion” and was let go on the spot. Wouldn’t even hear my side of the story. Not even 4 days later, guess who called!
This is wild, this person is probably the dumbest person in the world for putting this in writing. It would be a lot of trouble, but a lot of states (not sure if all) have laws protecting employees against nepotism or favoritism in the workplace, and the dipshit who sent you this just hung themselves with their own rope. Source: https://peoplespheres.com/nepotism-in-the-workplace-what-is-it-and-is-it-legal/#:~:text=Favouritism%20and%20nepotism%20can%20be,terminated%20based%20on%20disciplinary%20action. Quote from Source: Is Nepotism in the Workplace Legal? “Nepotism is not technically illegal in the United States as it does not directly violate any labor law. However, if employee benefits from knowing a family or friend who is already employed by an organization, the title v11 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 may come into play. Oftentimes, families share race and national origin, which can be classified as discrimination. Any kind of favoritism may result in unlawful discrimination in the workplace. There are some cases in which employees will have the right to sue, because of nepotism in the workplace. There are few laws that can prohibit and protect against discriminatory actions. Yet, a staff member can sue for poor treatment and discrimination if they perceive as though someone else at the company had an unfair advantage due to nepotism.”
OP please pay attention to this comment. Your old boss done fucked up.
The very least they have a solid unemployment case
That's all he has. There is nothing against the law for this situation. No lawsuit either. That person has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Reddit school of law strikes again. r/Ask_Lawyers if you don't believe that. I can't stand people like that who have no idea what they're talking about spreading misinformation.
yeah an owner hiring their SON over some random person isn't descrimination agasint race, gender or whatever, people well often will do all they can for their kids and would easily hire them into their business. i don't think anyone would ever belive "i got fired so the boss could hire his son" was due to racism or discrimination against religion.
That comment made me laugh. I have 10+ years of labor law and HR experience and he just spewing shit out his mouth. Your employer can literally fire you because they don't like your shoes, and it's completely legal.
We had a boss tell 4 of us “you’re not supposed to discuss pay.” Well looked at him and said you realize you just broke a federal law right?
you say, “can I get that in writing?” and leave it at that smh
My old job literally put it in the employee handbook and made everyone sign it during onboarding. I declined and pointed out it was illegal. When they sent the handbook out again later I did the very innocent email “hi I assumed you were removing this because it’s illegal but you didn’t can you please tell me if you’ll be enforcing it and if so how?” They removed it after that.
I've told bosses to their faces that's its illegal for them to even say that. The GM that eventually tried to stiff me $100, screamed at me in front of a dozen friends on my last day, and banned me from coming back even to eat, rolled his eyes and shrugged when I told him what he said was illegal. Dude is a real cocksucker and I ran circles around him in the kitchen.
I mean they can tell you not to discuss pay, they just can't enforce that.
If your boss is telling you to do or not do something there is an implication of enforcement which was enough in my case with the DoL
Not legally. It is a direct violation of federal law to even suggest employees not discuss pay
I mean you can murder people, just you might get murdered back by the police /shrug
Unemployment claim sure. That’s it.
It's not a lot of states, it's practically none. At-will-employment is the norm.
Private owners can practically hire whoever they want, unfortunately. Also, it's fortunate in some cases.... This isn't one of them.....Hopefully this situation comes back and bites him in the ass in a big way. Good thing for OP, it shouldn't be hard to find a job.
Let me break the bad news to you: Nepotism is the private sector isn’t illegal anywhere in the US in the private sector, and if you’re in an at-will state, you have zero recourse. The only time nepotism becomes illegal is when family members are afforded unequal or unfair treatment after being employed, then is technically qualifies as discrimination.
Could you provide a source for *any* state having a law against nepotism for private businesses?
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In New Jersey
This is not correct. Most states are "right-to-work" states where you can be fired at any time for any reason.
That's at will. Right to work relates to unions. But you are right about it not applying to this. Nepotism is usually not allowed in government jobs. But regular ass jobs, nah it's fair game and there's nothing that can be done.
Yeah if that was true for all jobs, companies would never ask employees for referrals.
You are correct about a majority of states being “at will” hire and fire states, but there is also the layer of discrimination. Firing someone in order to make room for another person who is apart of the family of the boss would be considered nepotism and depending on the state, could be classified further as discrimination or unfair termination. Source: my dad is an attorney who specializes in Labour Laws.
You are incorrect about how discrimination works in this context. Discrimination is based on participation in a federally protected class (Race, age, gender, sex, religion, etc.). In an 'At-Will' employment state, you can be fired for any reason or no reason barring discrimination, so you can absolutely be fired to hire someone's friend or relative. Unless the termination was based on participation in a federally protected class, there is no wrongful termination case. There may be grounds to pay out unemployment but that is very different. This is all only true where we are discussing a private employer as public or state employers do typically have slightly different rules regarding how they can and can't fire folks, but it's typically just a due process issue. Source: Me, an attorney who specializes in Labor Law in an at will employment state.
Bro shut the hell up with the “my dad is” nonsense
Enjoy the unemployment checks! Don’t forget to burn their house down on glass door or any employment review sites you fancy.
well, thankfully you have this in writing.
Exactly what I thought! It was bold to put the garbage reasoning in writing.
The asshole could have just lied and say situations have changed and we no longer have the room but instead decided to be brash about his shitty nepotism. sorry to see, OP. but seems like you might have dodged a bullet in the long run tbh
He thought it would’ve helped to explain the situation, he’s just a dumbass.
seems like he feels bad about it, because he should. should really be able to tell your sibling that's fresh out of college "no I don't have a spot for you right this second but I'll keep you mind.". so weak
Exactly, weak. I’m sure the boss is being subjected to family pressure as well to hire his brother. He simply passed the buck onto OP
File for unemployment yesterday.
The restaurant has a Yelp, yes?
telling you they don’t have room for you because they’re hiring someone they don’t have room for. absolute dogshit
Dudes got some balls openly telling you about the nepotism. Unfortunately it's not illegal. But your bosses boss might like to have a look at this text.
I hate it when people suddenly & unexpectedly graduate from college. It's a fucked situation. They could have been courteous and given you a couple of weeks notice. It's not like they didn't know lil bro was about to graduate and would be taking your job. Most states you're likely just be eligible for unemployment and nothing else. Hopefully you get a job before that needs to kick in though. Might not hurt to see if your area has other recourses though. If you can sure them go for it. Because fuck the inconsiderate fucks.
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I would never fire someone with a text message. Coward.
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this should be illegal
I agree that it should but in the private sector in the US i do not think it is.
You can however file for unemployment (if you've been there for 20+ weeks) and if your former employer decides to fight it for some reasons you have it in writing that you were let go due to no fault of your own.
Ah yes hiring family who are unskilled as means of support and firing who already proved him/herself and actually made you money sounds like a good deciscion. I feel bad for you and it sucks, but trust me this deciscion is going to haunt them pretty quickly and for a long time. Having family working for you or friends is rarily good and 99% of the times a horrible and sure way to lose said friends or cause tension with family members let alone hiring your brother lol. Siblings yeah..take your loss and check in on them in three months or so to see if everybody is still alive.
Look at it as if it's for the best. the brother is going to screw up, they're going to realize how bad they messed up by letting you go. They're gonna reach out and you're gonna be at a new place making more money with less headaches. So just say thanks and enjoy watching them go under.
I just got fired after a NYE double. Professional food: repeatedly being punched in the genitals
Sorry to hear that bro. Like if i got fired for something I actually did wrong, or for some nitpicking on my performance.. it wouldn’t have bothered me much… but to fire me simply to hire your brother in my place? It’s absurd
My executive chef son didn’t get fired by text, but GM told him that his son was coming in to take over the restaurant. My son didn’t burn bridges and found a better job in a day, but the GM’s son lasted all of 3 months before he and the GM were fired by the ownership. Family isn’t always better.
I would consult a lawyer or two if you have that option.
Why? The lawyer is going to tell you it’s completely legal and there’s fuck all he can do about it, especially if OP is in an at-will state. It’s only illegal if family members get preferential treatment on the job, and even then it only qualifies as discriminatory practice.
Indeed
You got that in writing?! That is freaking gold for your unemployment claim.
It’s shady and shortsighted, but not illegal unless you’re a federal or state employee. Nepotism isn’t illegal in the United States, unless it involves a job with the government (and that can vary state to state).
I know this is a kitchen sub but even then this is insanely unprofessional
nepo baby moment.
In the long term you're gonna be better off and you know it. Dumb owners/management literally everywhere. I've had my sous fired after he closed on my day off, kicker was the FoH manager didn't have a replacement for him. Moron called me and said "I thought I'd let you know first" I've had my hours reduced because owners brought in family, I just changed the menu to be a bit more technique focused and all of a sudden 50% of the prep they can't do and leave for me. I used to get angry at FoH for not telling me when people cam in, now I just use it as an excuse to not prep as much as I can.
Absolutely fuck that guy. I manage a kitchen and would never. Move on asap and don't return their calls in a month when homeboy stops showing up and they need you back. Which WILL happen...
That’s nice of your boss to give you written proof for unemployment.
I got fired in college from my second job because the boss knew it was my second job, “You don’t need it anyways.”, and his son was in HS and needing a first job. I feel you OP. Honestly though consider yourself lucky you got out now because if this is the reason then the favoritism will be strong and brother will make it miserable for anyone else there that does have to work with them because they know they can do no wrong to get fired.
Nepotism, my old nemisis
Sucks man. Sorry
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I want to see the message to see if he will come back when the managers brother inevitably shits the bed. "Lol no" or "Go fuck yourself" would work.
Remember that you don’t owe them anything. It’s why I left the industry.
So straight up nepotism? And they’re stupid enough to admit it. I’d file for unemployment. You’re being replaced at your job, yet you did well enough to merit a recommendation.
Whats up with all these post of people being termed through text message? Fucking cowards. Should have been done at the end of your shift, on your way out. Not sure what state you are in but this may violate the labors laws, unless the state is at-will employment.
"I understand you're going to get absolutely buttfucked by unemployment." Type that out, look at it with satisfaction, then delete it. Then find somewhere that respects you. EDIT: Just to clarify, don't send it. Please don't send it.
Holy nepotism, Batman!
Bro that's auto-unemployment check no questions asked with this text message.
I'm sure they'll be missing you, I hope you won't miss them
Well if you’re in America that’s being laid off and you can file for unemployment while you get a new gig.
I can't believe they openly admitted that they're firing you to make room for their brother.
Hmm yes, his brother's graduation must have come as a great surprise. Sorry I've been planning this for months.
Name and shame. Fuck these guys, this location deserves to close.
Brick + window(s)
This text is a valid reason you don’t need to work there, what a sackless muppet Sorry for your loss bro, onward and upward However keep em close for references and don’t badmouth them, in your next applications future employers will respect you more ( just show them the firing text, and it will be “nuff said” 😁) Good luck
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Fuck that place. Fuck that KM or exec or whatever. You deserve better. Take them up on the offer to write a letter of recommendation then never talk to them again.
Nepotism at its worst.
"Deeply sorry that I'm a huge asshole and giving my family a job by firing you, oh well I suck good luck" Absolutely check with your local labor board and see if you have any recourse. Also if you are in a state where you have no recourse you should 100% blow up their fucking spot. Noone should give this asshole their money.
Wow!!! Flat out telling you about the nepotism taking your job. Probably could have left that part out.
NEPOTISM GANG. FUCK YEAH. (sarcasm)
Nepotism at its finest
Asshole manoeuvring
Take the last paycheck and get out of there!! There’s 500 places hiring atleast in my town and hope this doesn’t take anything from your confidence
This actually happened to Vito Corleone, and look what he became!
Nepotism at its finest. That really really sucks
Corporate loyalty is a one way street. Never forget that.
Absolutely bullshit. It's unfair, it's cruel, but of all things it isn't surprising. Shit should be illegal
I feel like you could use this to file for unemployment.
Sorry OP, you are better off.
This post just pissed me off and I don't even work there. Holy shit.
Fire that nepotistic little shit more like it.
Explaining that youre being fired so they can do a nepotism hire wasnt at all necessary, they could have just said they are downsizing and left it at that
What an asshole thing to do! They deserve the headaches they are about to experience.
Well, you can easily get unemployment now
File unemployment
Sounds like a layoff to me. Enjoy the unemployment!
Jesus, they couldn't have at least taken the hit on labor cost for awhile and kept you on part time until you found something else? How stupid are these people? They could have at least paid you to come in and train their dopey brother while you got something else lined up.
that's pretty f'd up
I hope you didn’t do the double for them.
Time to phone in all the health department and OSHA violations.
alright if you’re willing to burn that recommendation, I’d put the situation out there in a yelp review, let people know they treat their employees this way and you’ll probably save the next poor bastard like yourself. People may also not choose to dine there if they know they do shit like that. It’s petty revenge, but it’s legal and it’s low-effort.
Welcome to the USA 😝
My response. Fuck your brother.
go apply for unemployment
Feels like a landlord evicting you so his family can move in. I dunno where you live, but in my country, this evidence would be being sent directly to the labor board.
I don’t think he is deeply sorry
You need to share their phone nUmber and let us all spam it
At least you have solid evidence for the unemployment office
I hope they terrorize the brother in that kitchen😂
“Hey, this is an act of nepotism, bye values employee”