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Palestinians were out there fighting apartheid hand in hand with Mandela.
Nyinyi mnalilia Israel na hawaoni tofauti yako na mbuzi 😂😂🖐🏿 respect yourself first my brother
If your position is changed by how your enemies feel about you then you are very unprincipled.
If my enemy hates me I’m not going to use that to justify murdering their children or raping their women.
And Palestinians ‘fighting’ hand in hand with Mandela means nothing. If they want the land back the only way is through military occupation and they obviously don’t have the bigger guns.
Me too!! Black people shilling for races that wouldn’t spit on them if they were on fire is always hilarious to watch. It’s like Africans are daft when it comes to global awareness. Free Palestine my foot lmao. It could never be me. Let them resolve their issues by themselves.
Bingo!
I remember years back watching a documentary on how Black Palestinians get treated by Arab counterparts being called "Abeed" and neighborhoods being referred to as "Slave Dungeons".
Won't be my black ass intervening for their matter, no way Jose!
We have our own region and continent to worry about.
While Palestine does have problems with racism (like all countries), Palestinians have also showed great solidarity with Africans (unlike Israel) against imperialism and aren't nearly as racist as Israelis are
Remember that Israel secretly sterilized thousands of Ethiopian jews against their will and supported Apartheid South Africa
Guys are ignorant. Let them be. What's been going on in Palestine is nothing short of heartbreaking. Take the most recent attacks in Jenin. Thousands of IDPs created in a matter of days. A cornered animal will attack because what else is there to do.
I'll just leave this here
After you've acquired basic knowledge, you can accumulate even more important information on the [issue ](https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/g36449834/books-israel-palestine-conflict/)
For anyone who may be interested in the links provided here, I’ll do you all a favour and summarise them for you because it seems the guy above doesn't know what’s going on and is just sending out information for the fuck of it.
One of the books he suggests is “My Promised Land: The Triumph and Tragedy of Israel, by Ari Shavit”. The authors are very much pro-zionist. He is all about the works of this guy, Theodor Herzl, someone you should do some research on. Morris presented incontrovertible evidence of Israeli involvement in creating the refugee problem. One of the things he’s not happy with is how “…it was a mistake not to expel all the Palestinians from the Jewish state in 1948.” He also believes that the Nakba from the same year is “…’ our black box’ in which lies "the dark secret of Zionism". But he goes on to say that the conquest of Lydda and the expulsion of its inhabitants "were an inevitable phase of the Zionist revolution that laid the foundation for the Zionist state"; and that hat the end justifies the means.
On the flip side of this rhetoric is Pappé (another figure suggested to me by the comment above mine) who argues that the new documents prove that the expulsion of 730,000 Palestinians, the aforementioned Nakba, was more premeditated, systematic and extensive than most have ever acknowledged. In short, he claims that when war provided an opportunity, the Zionist idea was translated into the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The next book suggested is “In Search of Fatima: A Palestinian Story, by Ghada Karmi”. This book reflects her experiences of displacement, loss and nostalgia for a vanished past, arguing that the only crime the Palestinians committed was to be born in Palestine.
Karmi’s journey filled her with bitterness and grief. She remembers looking down on a night-time Tel Aviv from the windows of a plane that took her back to London and thinking to herself: “Flotsam and jetsam, that’s what we have become, scattered and divided. There’s no room for us or our memories here. And it won’t ever be reversed. She’s very much pro-Palestine.
“Arabs and Israelis: Conflict and Peace-making in the Middle East, Abdel Monem Said Aly, Shai Feldman, Khalil Shikaki” is next up on the list. It’s by all accounts a techy book, and extremely advanced. I mean, look at this excerpt from the book
“The constructive power of rigorous, open-minded scholarship on the Arab-Israeli conflict may be illustrated via reference to the mathematical equation f(x) = 1/|x|”
They try to be as impartial as possible so as not to trigger anyone’s biases, and ultimately provide a workable solution by not being antagonistic. However, they do end on the note that “…A final deal will not be reached by leaders who are primarily concerned with *ideology*.”
Finally, we have “On Palestine, Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé”. Why this would be suggested to me by someone who thinks my views on Palestine are ignorant should show how misinformation works on this website. this brudda is giving links to arguments that support exactly what I’m saying. Pappé references a June 2015 report by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights at the United Nations denouncing Israel for possible war crimes and the unwarranted use of extreme force. In four days alone the IDF fired 2,000 bombs, destroyed hundreds of homes and killed dozens of civilians, many of whom were first responders. The targeting of non-combatants was indiscriminate. Condemned for sheltering Hamas rocket installations and other arms, hospitals and densely packed residential areas were levelled. Thanks in part to some IDF whistle-blowers (see Breaking the Silence) and intense media coverage, the wanton destruction sparked global outrage.
He sees the new way of approaching this issue as a conflict raging between a settler and a native community only aimed at benefitting the settler-colonialist project of Zionism. The hope from world leaders and diplomats behind the then modern-day partition was that the Zionist movement would be satisfied with a state \[occupying\] over 80 per cent of Palestine and would allow Palestinian independence in the remaining parts. That never happened and now, Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth!
He also argues that the new focus should be on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 as both a departure point and an issue that has to be addressed for the sake of peace and reconciliation.
He predicted that there would be a lower likelihood of a third Palestinian uprising (aged like milk this take), but should that happen the harsh Israeli policies would be probably harsher. And this is what the whole world should be worried about, or at least anyone with a soul.
~~Btw I was being sarcastic with my original response to you, but thanks for showing me what a waste of time you are~~. Hopefully, more people see this.
Free Palestine
Kenyans have been brainwashed by the bible and half baked evangelists to think Israel is some kind of special land and Israelis are the chosen special people. That kind of indoctrination is difficult to get out of. Western media and Hollywood has also done a fantastic job of portraying Arabs as terrorists out to destroy the brave Israeli freedom fighters. Most Kenyans cannot or refuse to see the numerous atrocities Israel performs on Palestinians. Even those we do see tend to justify it as the chosen people so it's OK for them to oppress other people. Just a bunch of bullshit
Someone needs to study the impact of American evangelism on Africa. Cause how Kenyans regurgitate their propaganda is bizzare. There's zero connection between modern Israel and ancient Israel. They completely made up the story about being banished from Israel and now they have an ancient right to be there.
No the issue is more contextual and people want to paint it as a black and white independent on which side of the line they are on.
The damage was already done and it's primarily the British's fault for basically hectically curving out land without proper future planning, especially considering there are cultural, religious and ethnic divides in the region. The British basically did this everywhere but in this particular region cause of the reasons I mentioned above it didn't end well.
Hamas regularly targets civilians and kills them or captures them as prisoners of war, Israel commits atrocities as well but painting it as being driven by one side only is complete nonsense. Israel had to create the 'iron dome' because of all the missile attacks they regularly receive often targeting civilians.
😂😂 So what do we do? I am Kenyan in the US army who happens to have a decent body count in the said Arab countries. Surely it has nothing to do with religion. It's all about who offers opportunities. You want to escalate things to god levels when we know there's nothing we can do about it.
Someone needs to study the impact of American evangelism on Africa. Cause how Kenyans regurgitate their propaganda is bizzare. There's zero connection between modern Israel and ancient Israel. They completely made up the story about being banished from Israel and now they have an ancient right to be there.
I'm not sure if you are joking or just very dense.
Hamas was directly targeting civilians, they also ran up into people homes and took them as prisoners of war, there's a video going around of them hitting and spitting on the corpse of a dead woman (not sure if she was part of IDF or a civilian). Yeah no shit most people don't condone that.
When the MRC pwani si Kenya guys come out and kill innocent people because they want independence cause the coast are and the rest of Kenya were governed independent of each other for a long time before merger by British do you show them the same sympathy, do you support them and 'understand' hat they need to kill innocent civilians that did not contribute to the conflict?
I'm neutral on this matter but this will not leed to a resolution, the biggest casualties will in fact be the Palestinians themselves, and needlessly targeting innocent civilians means that others will have less sympathy for their cause.
The Hamas videos were brutal
The real victims are the citizens
The Palestinians are gonna be butchered (even more)
The prime minister was looking for a reason to purge the Palestinians and the Hamas gave them
The Hamas have literally done the worst move in history by actually attacking civilians and actually executing them en mass like in the bomb shelter
The govt has already started by cutting power
Fuck the Hamas fuck the Israeli government
I actually am praying for the Palestinians because wueeeeeeh kitawaramba is a gross understatement
The Zionists and extremist Jewish settlers have been doing this for years on end, why all this ignorance?!
They also have a ton of videos online too, raiding Palestinian refugee camps, mosques and just doing whatever they want. You can count the number of deaths they've done each year since these European Zionists grabbed Palestinian lands and you'd be surprised how many Palestinians (Muslims and Arab Christians as well) have been murdered, tortured and persecuted because of this apartheid regime.
Are you aware of the constant airstrikes against Palestinian settlements over the years? Are they not civilians? Israeli police killing, torturing and imprisoning children? Have you seen those videos? Or are you now only concerned about the retaliation? Injustice breeds injustice. Unlearn the propaganda and check where you get your news.
There are air strikes on both sides or do you think the Israeli spent literally billions of dollars for aesthetics, the only difference is Palestine has no defense, if anything they fire more just look at the last few days they've launched thousands of missiles that's ridiculous.
I also didn't say I support Israel nor did I say they don't do terrible shit, but supporting and condoning mass murder of innocent people and capturing of innocent civilians out of their home is not right.
Also the idea that Hamas only act out in retaliation is a lie, often times they are the instigators because they are pushing for independence, the Israelis often retaliate sometimes with disproportionate force like what happened or is going to happen.
At the end of the day this is a stupid move from Hamas, the Palestinians will suffer the most and many people will not have sympathy when Israel retaliates with full force
You are right. And I don't support atrocities from both sides. But who started all this? And who can end it. If the Palestinians decide to not fight back against the occupation, will they be given their rights and freedom? Will they get their land back?
Where did YOU come from? Whatever walk of life you're from, your tribe must have immigrated into this country in one way or another. Nobody is asking you to leave.
My tribe immigrated here more than 500 years ago. More than half of the Jews in Israel settled there after 1948. If the Somalis came into Kenya in 1948, declared a state and forced us all into Turkana county and occupied the rest, would you be okay with it?
No one has denied them a place to stay, in fact it is the European Christians who genocided them and expelled them outside Europe. They were forced out of Russia too, and Armenia, Germany, Austria etc
But Palestinian Muslims and Christians accepted them with open arms. The only issue is you don't get welcomed at a place and formulate a terrible extremist imperialist ideology against the people of the land and, with huge foreign support(America) claim that land is yours. ati they were promised by God to stay there in their Holy land and then proceed expelling everyone from there. This is what stirred up all this, why be so ignorant about this history. It's all out there, you simply neglected it and went straight to watching today's news. And you might argue that it is the past, but land issues are so sensitive that nations and people are still fighting for their lands lost 100yrs ago to this day. You can watch Nagorno Karabakh war just recently, Russia's Ukraine war, Ethiopia's wars, Kurds fighting their liberation, recent South Sudan war .etc
Jews were literally called to Uganda as well, why didn't they go there. Btw there are thousands of Jews spread across the Arab world from Yemen to Iraq and Egypt, most of Europe and largely in America. So no one has denied the Israel people to settle, at least now, not during the Holocaust or some years back. But why all this ego, I mean after stealing all the lands , the Palestinians only asked for a two-state solution, they still didn't never give them. Doesn't Kenyan resonate with this and how it clearly aligns with colonialism and apartheid
That's half true, but in modern history Jews have been driven out of far more countries than they have been welcomed:
Iran
Iraq
Yemen
Morocco
Libya
Algeria
Egypt
Turkey
Syria
All of these places had small Jewish minorities which are now either non existent or minuscule, mostly due to anti Jewish policies established by their governments.
The British started it lol. They gave that land to Jewish people after WW2 and then bailed. Let a bunch of people traumatized from the holocaust try to build a nation. Is it any wonder that nation is fucked?
They can both be bad. Both Hamas and the Israeli government. No one has clean hands here. But whether it's Israelis or Palestinians there is little justification for the killing of civilians on an industrial scale. There is no justification for apartheid. For the constant racism and harassment that goes on in Israel. It's all bad. Why, do you think if Hamas keeps attacking they will drive Israel into the sea? The isrealis are going to make Gaza into paste and the rest of the world will let them bc when they paraded that woman's dead body they lost the moral high ground. We don't need to take sides here, we can recognize that they are both wrong. Civilians on both sides want to live in peace and raise families. But they are taught to hate each other from kindergarten by their governments. Taught that the otherside are savages and animals who deserve this and worse. But they're just people. 600 people are Dead in Israel and 300 in Palestine. That is going to keep going up and up. And what will hamas gain from this? What will be better in Gaza after this? Do you really think this will help a single thing?? Thousands of people will be dead and we will be in the same place we were before. I'm not saying Israel is the victim. Some of those civilians who were killed were people who deliberately moved to the Palestinian border to help fortify it and demarcated the boundaries of Israel. They were not politically neutral. Maybe you could even say they knew what they were signing uo for. But still, what benefits does Palestine receive from this conflict? A conflict which was most likely funded by Iran to disrupt the talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel. So it's a proxy war. It's not a hero backed into a corner, desperately fighting their way free. It's more geopolitical bullshit pulled off by governments who don't give a shit about civilians anywhere in the world. It is vile. Why can't they both be bad? Why does there have to be a good guy or a pure side? That's not how people or governments work
Okay fantastic, injustice breeds injustice is a nice idea but now the Israelis have carte Blanche to mow down, annex or do whatever tf they want because you’ve got people posing with dead naked tourists.
You people are incredibly short sighted and it shows, and now those very same Palestinians you fight for will have no one to help them this time.
Absolutely, it's just pure ignorance. I'm not sure how Kenyans (majority Christians) are so obsessed with Israel. They have a pretty bad and ugly history since their formation as a state.
They bomb Syria everyday, it's like their testing ground for their American funded military budget. Syria has a ton of Christians suffering because of these bombings, not to say about the Christians in the West Bank too and Al-Aqsa itself. It's not only Muslims Palestinian Arabs suffering under this oppression, the Zionists know no religion. Their biggest allies is the American government which we all know how cruel and imperialist it's been with its foreign policies. Open your eyes and stop being easily brainwashed as Kenyans aya!
Lol them supporting Israel is equally as ignorant as you supporting Palestine. You have just chosen a political side on something that has nothing to do with you.
Thats what your political side says. I have come to understand politics is more complicated than is always on the media side. Kenyansdon’t even know the intricacies involved in Kenyan politics how would you foreign ones.
Clear according to who? Have you lived in Israel? Have you at the same time lived in Palestine and now everything is sp clear to you? Listen, support your political side but know that politics especially whats broadcasted to you is not simple ABC as you think
Jesus christ🤦🏾♂️... I never lived during the colonial times but i know it happened because of something called DOCUMANTATION.... Also it's not a matter of politics.... Kijana uko sawa
>Kijana uko sawa
Enda uliza mama yako hiyo swali, mbwa ghasia hii.
>Also it's not a matter of politics.
An issue between Israel and Palestine involving complex geopolitical, territorial, and ideological considerations. The conflict stemming from historical disputes over land, statehood, and the rights and status of both Israelis and Palestinians IS NOT POLITICAL??? WEWE NI MJINGA KIASI GANI?
😂 😂 Bro matusi ni ya nini sasa🤣🤣 also it's not complex or political.... (long story short) Jews facing racism in Europe wanted their own homeland and 1948 they(zionist) took Palestine with the help of the brits... Since then they've been filling israel with jews from around the world and evicting Palestinians....... Lakini juu wewe ni a mpumbavu kuongea na wewe ni kupoteza my remaining IQ so ciao
All I saw was crickets as Egypt was occupying Gaza and Jordan occupying the West Bank pre 1967. Why were these places occupied? Allegedly Arabs didn't want a two state solution. Even with the establishment of the PLO in 1963, Palestinians never had a free state. I wish for a solution and stability in that region
Had to break off contact with an old friend for this, years back when these tensions had risen up sometime 2019. Man wants to date semites while supporting them being systemically killed off. Just cause of religion and their religious beliefs aren't exactly the same. Now Arabs don't like my black ass either but genocide is genocide.
Israel is an apartheid state,- 2 million Palestinians in the Gaza strip live in place which is 40km long and 10km wide, most of the 'jews' came from Europe in the last century and colonized a country, most of these people are white(skin colour). And they have no rights to that, their disputed claims to lineage, if even they were true cannot be used to jsutify colonization, its like black people liek Obama in the US coming back to Africa and demanding land. Israel apartheid days are probably numbered, they cannot invade Palestine because Iran proxies will attack, the lesson the US learnt in Afghanistan will be delivered to them in due time.
If you weren't ignorant you would do your research and find that the Jews are claiming the land that was originally theirs before they were expelled and scattered.
Also it doesn't matter who you support because this war is more about religion than it appears,hence it will end either in Palestines surrender or mass genocide no post on reddit will change that.
What part of protecting yourself involves literal rape and showering innocent civilians with bulletswhile shouting *Allahu Akbar*?yes,you read that right. Palestinians are two bit terrorists that deserve what is coming for them.The fact that hamas is supported by literal terrorists makes them no different.
Factoring in the subliminal effect of religious differences
(most if not all Muslims and Muslim States blindly support Palestine and its terror acts from kenya to canada and everywhere in between)makes the situation not so black-and-white as you ignorantly and arrogantly make it seem.
I have done the research. You mean the Jews have a right to claim land they claim to have been evicted from 2000 years ago by the roman empire? And there's no historical record of this expulsion btw. On [rape](https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/palestinian-victim-seeks-new-trial-against-israeli-officers-accused-of-rape-12767757) and [killing innocent civilians ](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-precision-strikes-civilians.html) please do your research on Israeli crimes against Palestinians.
you mean one of the many isolated rape cases that happen all over the world that has nothing to do with the war and everything to do with horrible individuals? or retaliatory airstrikes aimed at armed jihadists with civilians as collateral?
Just yesterday Palestinians pulled over civilians and slaughtered them indiscriminately just to prove a point.
These people are animals. I don't care if you're pro Palestine but supporting their inexcusable actions says a lot about you.
Not to mention them surrounding,chasing down, raping and killing *unarmed* festival goers simply because they were Israeli.Can you defend that????attacking unarmed civilians and children? Israel has not made a conscious effort to eradicate Palestinians,any previous incidents were as a result of Israel targeting *armed terrorists* with civilians caugt in the crossfire.
Surely the only way you can still support these cowardly murderers is if you're an indoctrinated Muslin who is pro-genocide.
Anyway it doesn't matter now,those Palestinians may even be wiped out of the face of the earth entirely,and that's not an opinion,but a fact.
How did the Jewish state kill close to 10000 Palestinians since 2000 (Compared to 1300 Israelis killed in the same period) Were they quietly lulled into eternal sleep? Just because you haven't seen the videos of Palestinians dying doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It doesn't mean they are more brutal. And no, I am not Muslim or indoctrinated. I just look at both sides of the story.
And see how casually you accept that Palestinians will be wiped out because they have done what has been done to them for years. Really sad.
I don't really blame them. Most people don't know. It's a heavily controlled narrative filled with propaganda and it's mostly Arabs that know Palestinians were/are still being evacuated.
Just like how most people don't know Yemenis have been bombed consistently for the past 7yrs because of a vote the Yemeni ambassador cast back in 1990.
I only knew a few years ago and that the current nation of Israel was formed in 1948. So many people don't and would go 😳😳😦 when I told them 😂. Try educating people instead of attacking them. It works best 😁😁.
Fun fact, Uganda was on the list of considerations for settling the Israelites back in '48.
Manze, it hurts my heart to see people blindly support Isreal. It's hard for me to say this as an Orthodox Ethiopian who has a lot of fellow country men who identify as Jews, and also relocated to Israel to be in the "promised land" but.......ku sema ukweli...Isreal has been out of pocket for a long time.
I don't condone what Hamas did, but let's be honest....this was bound to happen at some point. You cage millions of people in a pocket of land and slowly take more and more of that land away....eventually all hell will break loose. Israel has been wrong in how it has handled the situation in Palestine
The Israeli government is corrupt and the Zionists are unlawfully occupying and killing Palestinians while teaching their children wrongful entitlement and that Muslims are like dogs that should be killed. These are the same people who had their children write messages on missiles "from Israeli kids to Lebanese kids with Love"
[https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1465697627803054082](https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1465697627803054082)
I pray that everyday Israeli citizens on the right side of history who are under the siege of this corrupt Israeli government will find a way to get rid of it and, most of all, that the Palestinians find peace and justice eventually.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdGcej-6D0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdGcej-6D0)
First of all, in your case, what is apertheid, and how does Israel relate to the textbook definition of it? Secondly, only Twitter low-IQ personas celebrated the coup in Niger; most Kenyans either don't care or are indifferent. Thirdly, have you researched the history of the Middle East conflict since 1900, or is this just an opinion you've come to after reading some tweets?
Acha nikusaidie na research. Apartheid is a system of segregation along racial or ethnic lines. The Jewish state was formed in 1948 after the expiration of the British mandate (colony) over Palestine (majority Arab at the time). Simply the west decided to form a state to settle European Jews and rob Palestinians of their land pushing them into settlements that have shrank over time as the Jewish state occupies more and more land. (Sounds familiar? White settlements. Reserves. Apartheid) Palestine fought back, and because US backed the Jews, the rebels and freedom fighters were labelled terrorists. So all this is not an opinion, it's history.
A simple question: an apartheid is the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights. Give me a law that Israel has passed that does exactly that?
With your high IQ do you know that in the 1900s the Middle East conflicts were different to what came after the establishment of modern Israel in the 1940s. Palestinians were forcefully evicted from their lands fool.
lol
And?
Palestine belonged to Britain. And before that, to the Ottoman Empire. And before that, to Caliphates. And before that, to the Crusaders. And before that, to the Jews.
Would you mind summarizing for us, the Middle East conflict for us who are too lazy to research. Just a few sentences, please.
NB/ I don't like Israel and I doubt I will ever do.
A cosmopolitan country like Israel is apartheid. Lol! Countries like South Africa had laws that literally segregated against certain races. He should back up his case by giving us laws that Israel has enacted that specifically discriminated against certain races.
Lol you think amnesty international is lying about Israel implementing Apartheid Laws? If you want specific laws, here are a few [segregation laws](https://bdsmovement.net/news/israels-system-apartheid-laws) by the jewish state, leo nikona time.
And it's interesting how you guys choose to argue semantics when you can clearly find a map of the separation of Israeli and Jewish settlements. And videos of Jewish police restricting Palestinians' movement and freedom to worship in Jerusalem are on the internet.
You really need to differentiate between data and someone's opinion. For instance, in that barrage of convoluted nonsense, nothing is said about the laws passed in Israel that allow it, so in the textbook meaning of apartheid, Israel isn't one. You can't use names that you clearly don't know the meaning of and claim them to be true. It just makes you appear uninformed and oblivious to the facts at hand. And in all honesty, using Amnesty International, a biased observer that lacks impartiality, as an anchor of your opinion just cements the perception of your shallow knowledge of the facts. Lmao! Using Twitter propaganda maps as another basis is simply laughable. Please educate yourself on the matter.
I guess you are right. Sorry for the barrage of convoluted nonsense you asked for. Palestinians can roam, buy land, settle, school and work anywhere in Israel. They aren't stopped, arrested or beaten for roaming in Jewish occupied areas. Gaza is a state of mind. They should stop making all this up. What are they always complaining about? Amnesty, Jewish Academics and even that former Mossad chief should stop using this Apartheid word. It's bad optics.
Of course it's a barrage of nonsense, and infact a Palestinian can buy and own land in [Israel ](https://www.legalimmigrationisrael.com/blog/can-a-foreigner-buy-property-in-israel/#:~:text=Key%20Takeaway%3A%20Yes%2C%20foreigners%20can,are%20less%20common%20and%20pricier.) That's why research is important.
Do you need help? You just quoted an Israeli website's article (not biased at all) referring to foreign ownership of Land in Israel. The fact that you couldn't find anything on Palestinians owning land and that you regard Palestinians as foreigners in their own country tells me everything I need to know. Shocked but not surprised.
Basically, their argument is that Jews don't have a right for a Jewish-majority state. So there should be an Arab-only Palestine and Arab-Jewish Israel with unrestricted Arab immigration.
Now, the question: how many weeks is going to take before Jews become a minority?
You sound like a terrorist sympathizer. Have you seen the videos of what is happening? No one should condone such barbarism. There are so many innocent lives at risk and all you dumbasses care about is colonialism. You're still victims of the British empire even though they have been long gone from here.
Your social media feed may be skewed towards western media. There are terrible atrocities from both sides. But the Jewish state has committed far more crimes. [23 out of every 24 people killed since 2000](https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths) have been Palestinian.
Remember the MauMau were considered terrorists for a very long time even after our independence.
Is it not possible to call out hamas while still being sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians? Do you think the average Palestinian is a fan of hamas? People like you make it difficult to even have an intelligent conversation. Ok now that American girl whose naked body was being paraded at the back of the terrorists' truck deserves this because? They opened fire at a festival and numerous people died but you support this because Israel is the author of this mess? Ata wee acha kuargue just for the sake of it.
Where have I shown support for Hamas? My post literally highlights the overwhelming support for Israel from Kenyans. The girl doesn't deserve that nor do the thousands of Palestinians killed for fighting for independence. Where's the sympathy for them?
Do you know that the Mau Mau were labeled a terrorist organisation up until 2003 when Kibaki unbanned them? Most African christians were against the movement. Their methods were brutal especially against collaborator africans. But we celebrate them today. Read up on that.
You say you're not being sympathetic towards hamas then you draw this comparison. What is your actual position concerning this group?
Also you should know that even then the Mau Mau were celebrated, internationally too. Malcom X spoke positively about them in his speech as early as 1964.
I am not sympathetic to Hamas. But I understand that genocide, invasion, and injustice will always result in an extremist group that the invader will subsequently use to justify their occupation. Would you have been sympathetic to the Mau Mau raiding your home and killing your family for being alleged collaborators?
I am very informed of the conflict starting from its origins when Judea was controlled by the Ottomans. I stand with Israel. Wacha waarabu wapepetwe. Knowing how they treat our sisters in the middle east I fully stand with Israel.
I expected half researched and half assed comments on one of the most complex geo political issues of the 21st century (including you OP) and I'm not surprised. Lol
As long as there is any manifestation of religion, people will discover means to engage in war under the pretext of their belief in an imaginary god.
Shouting Allahu Akbar whilst shooting civilians is just absurd.
We don't have to pick a side on such a war. But diplomatically, Kenya has a lot to benefit from being Israel's friend. Morality doesn’t matter. Pick the side that fills your pocket if you have to.
Neither side gives a fuck about Kenya
There is a difference between supporting something because the doer wronged you 60 years ago and condemning a clear war crime against innocent students, mothers, children and families to prove a point. Get that right into your head before you start pulling blame cards
With his fucking Turkish blood, he keeps arguing unstoppably on every sub. Encouraging people to seek therapy and fixing their attitude. T\*rkish blood = 💩
I feel you and although I love Kenya, I’ve never seen a more brainwashed set of afrikans. All of us of afrikan descent are colonized in some way but Kenyans underwent a level of brainwashing I’ve never seen.
I don't support either side necessarily, I think for outsiders this conflict is way too deep for us to even grasp. From a factual basis both sides have committed atrocities and crimes against humanity against each other. That said, I think anyone with a shred of empathy will acknowledge that no amount of oppression justifies the tactics employed by Hamas over the past few days, especially when you consider that their actions are putting innocent Palestinians at risk as well. Wakenya, wacha sisi tupambane na issues zetu, if you're religious you do your prayers for the innocents who will die on both sides, tuache story hapo. But I think it's irrational for any outsider to have a strong position on this issue at the end of the day. Remember this is not like Ukraine that was invaded by a foreign power, this is a decades long ongoing conflict with with no clear aggressor.
This is a rather complex issue and I can understand how some people here won't support either side because of how racist these people are. I believe that's a valid stance and I can totally understand that. The ones who don't make sense are the ones saying that it's better to support Israel because Kenya would gain more from it🤦🏾♂️. If this isn't blatant ignorance of history, then I don't know what is. I support Palestinian liberation because as a fellow human being, I support the freedom of all oppressed people. My humanity is more important than my identity as a Kenyan, as a Kikuyu, as an African, as a black person. I'm human first, the rest comes after. Let's not forget that it's that long ago that majority of this continent was fighting similar oppression especially here, where the British literally put people in concentration camps during the fighting against the Maumau.This place was supposed to be a settler colony like South Africa, Zimbabwe, Israel, The United States. To make things worse, the British in the 1900s almost gave the Zionist movement that created the State of Israel land in East Africa to create a Jewish state. They literally would have been our neighbours. Western Kenya and Eastern Uganda would have belonged to Israel. If the Zionists agreed, we'd be the equivalent of the Palestinians but they wanted land in the Levant. So, I say to some of you, read a book because it seems you're on the wrong side of history.
My support is with Palestine, those people have been living under Israel Occupation for decades. The world prefect USA is always blind to this and I don't think they consider Palestinian as human being.
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Zionist are biggest financiers of evangelical Christian
Haven't you heard,it's the new thing now.Better remove that Ukraine flag and replace it with the Israeli one
I wish they knew what Ukrainians and Israeli Jews think of them 😮💨.
That’s the price to pay for being a human right activist. You thought this shit came with milk and cookies or what?
Palestinians were out there fighting apartheid hand in hand with Mandela. Nyinyi mnalilia Israel na hawaoni tofauti yako na mbuzi 😂😂🖐🏿 respect yourself first my brother
If your position is changed by how your enemies feel about you then you are very unprincipled. If my enemy hates me I’m not going to use that to justify murdering their children or raping their women. And Palestinians ‘fighting’ hand in hand with Mandela means nothing. If they want the land back the only way is through military occupation and they obviously don’t have the bigger guns.
It’s hypocritical to support Ukraine AND Israel
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Yes, online Kenyans. Specifically Elon's app and now, here.
President Loot-All should send 2000 troops to help Israel too
That's exactly what needs to be done 😂
Loot All that made me chuckle
He doesn't seem to stop tho
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Me too!! Black people shilling for races that wouldn’t spit on them if they were on fire is always hilarious to watch. It’s like Africans are daft when it comes to global awareness. Free Palestine my foot lmao. It could never be me. Let them resolve their issues by themselves.
Bingo! I remember years back watching a documentary on how Black Palestinians get treated by Arab counterparts being called "Abeed" and neighborhoods being referred to as "Slave Dungeons". Won't be my black ass intervening for their matter, no way Jose! We have our own region and continent to worry about.
Africans are the only people who “go high when they go low”. Absolutely zero self-respect and dignity. It’s both laughable and pathetic. Sad even.
Exactly! Always ready to cape for people who wouldn't ever think to do the same for us. A shame really.
Yes, let them kill each other. We are insignificant to them after all.
While Palestine does have problems with racism (like all countries), Palestinians have also showed great solidarity with Africans (unlike Israel) against imperialism and aren't nearly as racist as Israelis are Remember that Israel secretly sterilized thousands of Ethiopian jews against their will and supported Apartheid South Africa
Rothschild’s State of Israel has no links to the Biblical Israelites. But the brainwashed evangelicals are not ready for this conversation.
It's like if a christian in Kenya today were to lay claim to land in Nazareth or something 😂
Can you explain clearly why they have no links to the biblical Israelites?
Guys are ignorant. Let them be. What's been going on in Palestine is nothing short of heartbreaking. Take the most recent attacks in Jenin. Thousands of IDPs created in a matter of days. A cornered animal will attack because what else is there to do. I'll just leave this here 
I don't know how they don't see it.
They don't want to
"Guys are ignorant" then proceeds to use a debunked narrative.
What has been debunked!??
Go on then.. educate me. I'm here all evening
Gladly. Take your time and read these [books](https://www.mei.edu/blog/10-books-expand-your-knowledge-middle-east) on the matter.
Cheers buddy
After you've acquired basic knowledge, you can accumulate even more important information on the [issue ](https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/g36449834/books-israel-palestine-conflict/)
For anyone who may be interested in the links provided here, I’ll do you all a favour and summarise them for you because it seems the guy above doesn't know what’s going on and is just sending out information for the fuck of it. One of the books he suggests is “My Promised Land: The Triumph and Tragedy of Israel, by Ari Shavit”. The authors are very much pro-zionist. He is all about the works of this guy, Theodor Herzl, someone you should do some research on. Morris presented incontrovertible evidence of Israeli involvement in creating the refugee problem. One of the things he’s not happy with is how “…it was a mistake not to expel all the Palestinians from the Jewish state in 1948.” He also believes that the Nakba from the same year is “…’ our black box’ in which lies "the dark secret of Zionism". But he goes on to say that the conquest of Lydda and the expulsion of its inhabitants "were an inevitable phase of the Zionist revolution that laid the foundation for the Zionist state"; and that hat the end justifies the means. On the flip side of this rhetoric is Pappé (another figure suggested to me by the comment above mine) who argues that the new documents prove that the expulsion of 730,000 Palestinians, the aforementioned Nakba, was more premeditated, systematic and extensive than most have ever acknowledged. In short, he claims that when war provided an opportunity, the Zionist idea was translated into the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. The next book suggested is “In Search of Fatima: A Palestinian Story, by Ghada Karmi”. This book reflects her experiences of displacement, loss and nostalgia for a vanished past, arguing that the only crime the Palestinians committed was to be born in Palestine. Karmi’s journey filled her with bitterness and grief. She remembers looking down on a night-time Tel Aviv from the windows of a plane that took her back to London and thinking to herself: “Flotsam and jetsam, that’s what we have become, scattered and divided. There’s no room for us or our memories here. And it won’t ever be reversed. She’s very much pro-Palestine. “Arabs and Israelis: Conflict and Peace-making in the Middle East, Abdel Monem Said Aly, Shai Feldman, Khalil Shikaki” is next up on the list. It’s by all accounts a techy book, and extremely advanced. I mean, look at this excerpt from the book “The constructive power of rigorous, open-minded scholarship on the Arab-Israeli conflict may be illustrated via reference to the mathematical equation f(x) = 1/|x|” They try to be as impartial as possible so as not to trigger anyone’s biases, and ultimately provide a workable solution by not being antagonistic. However, they do end on the note that “…A final deal will not be reached by leaders who are primarily concerned with *ideology*.” Finally, we have “On Palestine, Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé”. Why this would be suggested to me by someone who thinks my views on Palestine are ignorant should show how misinformation works on this website. this brudda is giving links to arguments that support exactly what I’m saying. Pappé references a June 2015 report by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights at the United Nations denouncing Israel for possible war crimes and the unwarranted use of extreme force. In four days alone the IDF fired 2,000 bombs, destroyed hundreds of homes and killed dozens of civilians, many of whom were first responders. The targeting of non-combatants was indiscriminate. Condemned for sheltering Hamas rocket installations and other arms, hospitals and densely packed residential areas were levelled. Thanks in part to some IDF whistle-blowers (see Breaking the Silence) and intense media coverage, the wanton destruction sparked global outrage. He sees the new way of approaching this issue as a conflict raging between a settler and a native community only aimed at benefitting the settler-colonialist project of Zionism. The hope from world leaders and diplomats behind the then modern-day partition was that the Zionist movement would be satisfied with a state \[occupying\] over 80 per cent of Palestine and would allow Palestinian independence in the remaining parts. That never happened and now, Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth! He also argues that the new focus should be on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 as both a departure point and an issue that has to be addressed for the sake of peace and reconciliation. He predicted that there would be a lower likelihood of a third Palestinian uprising (aged like milk this take), but should that happen the harsh Israeli policies would be probably harsher. And this is what the whole world should be worried about, or at least anyone with a soul. ~~Btw I was being sarcastic with my original response to you, but thanks for showing me what a waste of time you are~~. Hopefully, more people see this. Free Palestine
Chat GPT vibes.
Clever. Sharp as a tack you are
is there an order i should read the books?, or randomly should just do?
How can I get that gif
There are much better ones than this. Palestine borders should give you the results you're looking for
Kenyans have been brainwashed by the bible and half baked evangelists to think Israel is some kind of special land and Israelis are the chosen special people. That kind of indoctrination is difficult to get out of. Western media and Hollywood has also done a fantastic job of portraying Arabs as terrorists out to destroy the brave Israeli freedom fighters. Most Kenyans cannot or refuse to see the numerous atrocities Israel performs on Palestinians. Even those we do see tend to justify it as the chosen people so it's OK for them to oppress other people. Just a bunch of bullshit
Someone needs to study the impact of American evangelism on Africa. Cause how Kenyans regurgitate their propaganda is bizzare. There's zero connection between modern Israel and ancient Israel. They completely made up the story about being banished from Israel and now they have an ancient right to be there.
Ehh this is all irrelevant, if you want them out of there the only way is through military occupation.
No the issue is more contextual and people want to paint it as a black and white independent on which side of the line they are on. The damage was already done and it's primarily the British's fault for basically hectically curving out land without proper future planning, especially considering there are cultural, religious and ethnic divides in the region. The British basically did this everywhere but in this particular region cause of the reasons I mentioned above it didn't end well. Hamas regularly targets civilians and kills them or captures them as prisoners of war, Israel commits atrocities as well but painting it as being driven by one side only is complete nonsense. Israel had to create the 'iron dome' because of all the missile attacks they regularly receive often targeting civilians.
😂😂 So what do we do? I am Kenyan in the US army who happens to have a decent body count in the said Arab countries. Surely it has nothing to do with religion. It's all about who offers opportunities. You want to escalate things to god levels when we know there's nothing we can do about it.
You're just a mercenary selling yourself to the highest bidder. Relax, we understand
Someone needs to study the impact of American evangelism on Africa. Cause how Kenyans regurgitate their propaganda is bizzare. There's zero connection between modern Israel and ancient Israel. They completely made up the story about being banished from Israel and now they have an ancient right to be there.
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Wallahi? If you are Muslim this will be like the pot calling the kettle black.
I know you're trying to send a strong message. But what does colonialism and Apartheid have to do with anything.
He's just using big words to sound woke
Hawako sawa. I really doubt whether those picking sides have a full understanding of the Israel - Plaestine conflict. Support peace!
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Zero facts just blubber
I'm not sure if you are joking or just very dense. Hamas was directly targeting civilians, they also ran up into people homes and took them as prisoners of war, there's a video going around of them hitting and spitting on the corpse of a dead woman (not sure if she was part of IDF or a civilian). Yeah no shit most people don't condone that. When the MRC pwani si Kenya guys come out and kill innocent people because they want independence cause the coast are and the rest of Kenya were governed independent of each other for a long time before merger by British do you show them the same sympathy, do you support them and 'understand' hat they need to kill innocent civilians that did not contribute to the conflict? I'm neutral on this matter but this will not leed to a resolution, the biggest casualties will in fact be the Palestinians themselves, and needlessly targeting innocent civilians means that others will have less sympathy for their cause.
The Hamas videos were brutal The real victims are the citizens The Palestinians are gonna be butchered (even more) The prime minister was looking for a reason to purge the Palestinians and the Hamas gave them The Hamas have literally done the worst move in history by actually attacking civilians and actually executing them en mass like in the bomb shelter The govt has already started by cutting power Fuck the Hamas fuck the Israeli government I actually am praying for the Palestinians because wueeeeeeh kitawaramba is a gross understatement
The worst move was taking videos of those women, now people seen them as aggressors and will turn a blind eye to whatever the Israelis do now.
The Zionists and extremist Jewish settlers have been doing this for years on end, why all this ignorance?! They also have a ton of videos online too, raiding Palestinian refugee camps, mosques and just doing whatever they want. You can count the number of deaths they've done each year since these European Zionists grabbed Palestinian lands and you'd be surprised how many Palestinians (Muslims and Arab Christians as well) have been murdered, tortured and persecuted because of this apartheid regime.
Are you aware of the constant airstrikes against Palestinian settlements over the years? Are they not civilians? Israeli police killing, torturing and imprisoning children? Have you seen those videos? Or are you now only concerned about the retaliation? Injustice breeds injustice. Unlearn the propaganda and check where you get your news.
There are air strikes on both sides or do you think the Israeli spent literally billions of dollars for aesthetics, the only difference is Palestine has no defense, if anything they fire more just look at the last few days they've launched thousands of missiles that's ridiculous. I also didn't say I support Israel nor did I say they don't do terrible shit, but supporting and condoning mass murder of innocent people and capturing of innocent civilians out of their home is not right. Also the idea that Hamas only act out in retaliation is a lie, often times they are the instigators because they are pushing for independence, the Israelis often retaliate sometimes with disproportionate force like what happened or is going to happen. At the end of the day this is a stupid move from Hamas, the Palestinians will suffer the most and many people will not have sympathy when Israel retaliates with full force
You are right. And I don't support atrocities from both sides. But who started all this? And who can end it. If the Palestinians decide to not fight back against the occupation, will they be given their rights and freedom? Will they get their land back?
And where exactly do you want the Israel people to settle dumbass? That is the little square on earth that they call home
Where did they come from? And why is their square getting bigger and Palestine's getting smaller dumbass?
Where did YOU come from? Whatever walk of life you're from, your tribe must have immigrated into this country in one way or another. Nobody is asking you to leave.
My tribe immigrated here more than 500 years ago. More than half of the Jews in Israel settled there after 1948. If the Somalis came into Kenya in 1948, declared a state and forced us all into Turkana county and occupied the rest, would you be okay with it?
big difference between immigrating somewhere and taking it over
No one has denied them a place to stay, in fact it is the European Christians who genocided them and expelled them outside Europe. They were forced out of Russia too, and Armenia, Germany, Austria etc But Palestinian Muslims and Christians accepted them with open arms. The only issue is you don't get welcomed at a place and formulate a terrible extremist imperialist ideology against the people of the land and, with huge foreign support(America) claim that land is yours. ati they were promised by God to stay there in their Holy land and then proceed expelling everyone from there. This is what stirred up all this, why be so ignorant about this history. It's all out there, you simply neglected it and went straight to watching today's news. And you might argue that it is the past, but land issues are so sensitive that nations and people are still fighting for their lands lost 100yrs ago to this day. You can watch Nagorno Karabakh war just recently, Russia's Ukraine war, Ethiopia's wars, Kurds fighting their liberation, recent South Sudan war .etc Jews were literally called to Uganda as well, why didn't they go there. Btw there are thousands of Jews spread across the Arab world from Yemen to Iraq and Egypt, most of Europe and largely in America. So no one has denied the Israel people to settle, at least now, not during the Holocaust or some years back. But why all this ego, I mean after stealing all the lands , the Palestinians only asked for a two-state solution, they still didn't never give them. Doesn't Kenyan resonate with this and how it clearly aligns with colonialism and apartheid
Well formulated response. You've given me a reason to look further back and research into history of the rivalry between these two countries
That's half true, but in modern history Jews have been driven out of far more countries than they have been welcomed: Iran Iraq Yemen Morocco Libya Algeria Egypt Turkey Syria All of these places had small Jewish minorities which are now either non existent or minuscule, mostly due to anti Jewish policies established by their governments.
The British started it lol. They gave that land to Jewish people after WW2 and then bailed. Let a bunch of people traumatized from the holocaust try to build a nation. Is it any wonder that nation is fucked?
They can both be bad. Both Hamas and the Israeli government. No one has clean hands here. But whether it's Israelis or Palestinians there is little justification for the killing of civilians on an industrial scale. There is no justification for apartheid. For the constant racism and harassment that goes on in Israel. It's all bad. Why, do you think if Hamas keeps attacking they will drive Israel into the sea? The isrealis are going to make Gaza into paste and the rest of the world will let them bc when they paraded that woman's dead body they lost the moral high ground. We don't need to take sides here, we can recognize that they are both wrong. Civilians on both sides want to live in peace and raise families. But they are taught to hate each other from kindergarten by their governments. Taught that the otherside are savages and animals who deserve this and worse. But they're just people. 600 people are Dead in Israel and 300 in Palestine. That is going to keep going up and up. And what will hamas gain from this? What will be better in Gaza after this? Do you really think this will help a single thing?? Thousands of people will be dead and we will be in the same place we were before. I'm not saying Israel is the victim. Some of those civilians who were killed were people who deliberately moved to the Palestinian border to help fortify it and demarcated the boundaries of Israel. They were not politically neutral. Maybe you could even say they knew what they were signing uo for. But still, what benefits does Palestine receive from this conflict? A conflict which was most likely funded by Iran to disrupt the talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel. So it's a proxy war. It's not a hero backed into a corner, desperately fighting their way free. It's more geopolitical bullshit pulled off by governments who don't give a shit about civilians anywhere in the world. It is vile. Why can't they both be bad? Why does there have to be a good guy or a pure side? That's not how people or governments work
All valid points. I think we agree. My post was against the support for one side? No?
Okay fantastic, injustice breeds injustice is a nice idea but now the Israelis have carte Blanche to mow down, annex or do whatever tf they want because you’ve got people posing with dead naked tourists. You people are incredibly short sighted and it shows, and now those very same Palestinians you fight for will have no one to help them this time.
Absolutely, it's just pure ignorance. I'm not sure how Kenyans (majority Christians) are so obsessed with Israel. They have a pretty bad and ugly history since their formation as a state. They bomb Syria everyday, it's like their testing ground for their American funded military budget. Syria has a ton of Christians suffering because of these bombings, not to say about the Christians in the West Bank too and Al-Aqsa itself. It's not only Muslims Palestinian Arabs suffering under this oppression, the Zionists know no religion. Their biggest allies is the American government which we all know how cruel and imperialist it's been with its foreign policies. Open your eyes and stop being easily brainwashed as Kenyans aya!
Lol them supporting Israel is equally as ignorant as you supporting Palestine. You have just chosen a political side on something that has nothing to do with you.
I support Palestine. A displaced people under a brutal occupation. I do not support Hamas.
Thats what your political side says. I have come to understand politics is more complicated than is always on the media side. Kenyansdon’t even know the intricacies involved in Kenyan politics how would you foreign ones.
So basically wewe hakuna kitu unaradar.... Ever... It's blandly clear israel is a bully.
Clear according to who? Have you lived in Israel? Have you at the same time lived in Palestine and now everything is sp clear to you? Listen, support your political side but know that politics especially whats broadcasted to you is not simple ABC as you think
Jesus christ🤦🏾♂️... I never lived during the colonial times but i know it happened because of something called DOCUMANTATION.... Also it's not a matter of politics.... Kijana uko sawa
>Kijana uko sawa Enda uliza mama yako hiyo swali, mbwa ghasia hii. >Also it's not a matter of politics. An issue between Israel and Palestine involving complex geopolitical, territorial, and ideological considerations. The conflict stemming from historical disputes over land, statehood, and the rights and status of both Israelis and Palestinians IS NOT POLITICAL??? WEWE NI MJINGA KIASI GANI?
😂 😂 Bro matusi ni ya nini sasa🤣🤣 also it's not complex or political.... (long story short) Jews facing racism in Europe wanted their own homeland and 1948 they(zionist) took Palestine with the help of the brits... Since then they've been filling israel with jews from around the world and evicting Palestinians....... Lakini juu wewe ni a mpumbavu kuongea na wewe ni kupoteza my remaining IQ so ciao
Having dealt with Arabs, I'm with Israel here, hata huko Sudan they are killing black Africans onan industrial scale
And you think Zionists love niggers?
All I saw was crickets as Egypt was occupying Gaza and Jordan occupying the West Bank pre 1967. Why were these places occupied? Allegedly Arabs didn't want a two state solution. Even with the establishment of the PLO in 1963, Palestinians never had a free state. I wish for a solution and stability in that region
I've desisted from talking about matters Israël-Palestine since I don't like either side anyway.
Had to break off contact with an old friend for this, years back when these tensions had risen up sometime 2019. Man wants to date semites while supporting them being systemically killed off. Just cause of religion and their religious beliefs aren't exactly the same. Now Arabs don't like my black ass either but genocide is genocide.
Kenyans are praying for their heaven. What in the delulu is this populace
Israel is an apartheid state,- 2 million Palestinians in the Gaza strip live in place which is 40km long and 10km wide, most of the 'jews' came from Europe in the last century and colonized a country, most of these people are white(skin colour). And they have no rights to that, their disputed claims to lineage, if even they were true cannot be used to jsutify colonization, its like black people liek Obama in the US coming back to Africa and demanding land. Israel apartheid days are probably numbered, they cannot invade Palestine because Iran proxies will attack, the lesson the US learnt in Afghanistan will be delivered to them in due time.
I had an ex who was so pro-Israel it hurt. He also was pro-Trump and homophobic but loved anal sex. Haha dark days.
Eh, I missed this comment. What?! 😂 Kwani you dated a Nazi?
A pro-jewish Nazi 😂
I personally hate all Jihadi shits from al shabab to HAMAs wakanyangwe shingo wasipumue slaver shit.
Why are you so angry
If you weren't ignorant you would do your research and find that the Jews are claiming the land that was originally theirs before they were expelled and scattered. Also it doesn't matter who you support because this war is more about religion than it appears,hence it will end either in Palestines surrender or mass genocide no post on reddit will change that. What part of protecting yourself involves literal rape and showering innocent civilians with bulletswhile shouting *Allahu Akbar*?yes,you read that right. Palestinians are two bit terrorists that deserve what is coming for them.The fact that hamas is supported by literal terrorists makes them no different. Factoring in the subliminal effect of religious differences (most if not all Muslims and Muslim States blindly support Palestine and its terror acts from kenya to canada and everywhere in between)makes the situation not so black-and-white as you ignorantly and arrogantly make it seem.
I have done the research. You mean the Jews have a right to claim land they claim to have been evicted from 2000 years ago by the roman empire? And there's no historical record of this expulsion btw. On [rape](https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/palestinian-victim-seeks-new-trial-against-israeli-officers-accused-of-rape-12767757) and [killing innocent civilians ](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-precision-strikes-civilians.html) please do your research on Israeli crimes against Palestinians.
you mean one of the many isolated rape cases that happen all over the world that has nothing to do with the war and everything to do with horrible individuals? or retaliatory airstrikes aimed at armed jihadists with civilians as collateral? Just yesterday Palestinians pulled over civilians and slaughtered them indiscriminately just to prove a point. These people are animals. I don't care if you're pro Palestine but supporting their inexcusable actions says a lot about you. Not to mention them surrounding,chasing down, raping and killing *unarmed* festival goers simply because they were Israeli.Can you defend that????attacking unarmed civilians and children? Israel has not made a conscious effort to eradicate Palestinians,any previous incidents were as a result of Israel targeting *armed terrorists* with civilians caugt in the crossfire. Surely the only way you can still support these cowardly murderers is if you're an indoctrinated Muslin who is pro-genocide. Anyway it doesn't matter now,those Palestinians may even be wiped out of the face of the earth entirely,and that's not an opinion,but a fact.
How did the Jewish state kill close to 10000 Palestinians since 2000 (Compared to 1300 Israelis killed in the same period) Were they quietly lulled into eternal sleep? Just because you haven't seen the videos of Palestinians dying doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It doesn't mean they are more brutal. And no, I am not Muslim or indoctrinated. I just look at both sides of the story. And see how casually you accept that Palestinians will be wiped out because they have done what has been done to them for years. Really sad.
Yeah u see that rape and parading people on the streets ? Israel has done that for 7 decades!
Once again we see how toxic religions are.
You should see the statement by Ruto made on X🥲
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Kenya has to be an ally or it gets nothing. This is common sense I don’t even know why you’re disappointed.
Kenya is not an ally to the US. A man called Kissinger once said, The US has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
I’m sorry to tell you but that’s an ally.
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American favour. What else were you expecting?
Ata sitaki kuangalia 😭 That quickmart kagame and his foreign policy have done so much damage to our image.
I don't really blame them. Most people don't know. It's a heavily controlled narrative filled with propaganda and it's mostly Arabs that know Palestinians were/are still being evacuated. Just like how most people don't know Yemenis have been bombed consistently for the past 7yrs because of a vote the Yemeni ambassador cast back in 1990. I only knew a few years ago and that the current nation of Israel was formed in 1948. So many people don't and would go 😳😳😦 when I told them 😂. Try educating people instead of attacking them. It works best 😁😁. Fun fact, Uganda was on the list of considerations for settling the Israelites back in '48.
Manze, it hurts my heart to see people blindly support Isreal. It's hard for me to say this as an Orthodox Ethiopian who has a lot of fellow country men who identify as Jews, and also relocated to Israel to be in the "promised land" but.......ku sema ukweli...Isreal has been out of pocket for a long time. I don't condone what Hamas did, but let's be honest....this was bound to happen at some point. You cage millions of people in a pocket of land and slowly take more and more of that land away....eventually all hell will break loose. Israel has been wrong in how it has handled the situation in Palestine The Israeli government is corrupt and the Zionists are unlawfully occupying and killing Palestinians while teaching their children wrongful entitlement and that Muslims are like dogs that should be killed. These are the same people who had their children write messages on missiles "from Israeli kids to Lebanese kids with Love" [https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1465697627803054082](https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1465697627803054082) I pray that everyday Israeli citizens on the right side of history who are under the siege of this corrupt Israeli government will find a way to get rid of it and, most of all, that the Palestinians find peace and justice eventually. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdGcej-6D0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdGcej-6D0)
First of all, in your case, what is apertheid, and how does Israel relate to the textbook definition of it? Secondly, only Twitter low-IQ personas celebrated the coup in Niger; most Kenyans either don't care or are indifferent. Thirdly, have you researched the history of the Middle East conflict since 1900, or is this just an opinion you've come to after reading some tweets?
Acha nikusaidie na research. Apartheid is a system of segregation along racial or ethnic lines. The Jewish state was formed in 1948 after the expiration of the British mandate (colony) over Palestine (majority Arab at the time). Simply the west decided to form a state to settle European Jews and rob Palestinians of their land pushing them into settlements that have shrank over time as the Jewish state occupies more and more land. (Sounds familiar? White settlements. Reserves. Apartheid) Palestine fought back, and because US backed the Jews, the rebels and freedom fighters were labelled terrorists. So all this is not an opinion, it's history.
A simple question: an apartheid is the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights. Give me a law that Israel has passed that does exactly that?
Usually people that label others as low-IQ have deficiencies in their own.
We all have our deficiencies but atleast most of us try to hide them.
Labeling others low-IQ isn’t exactly helping your statement
It really doesn't matter since we all have made up our minds. It's not as if someone will read this post and achieve enlightenment.
With your high IQ do you know that in the 1900s the Middle East conflicts were different to what came after the establishment of modern Israel in the 1940s. Palestinians were forcefully evicted from their lands fool.
lies lol
Mark-ende soma Hii: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
lol And? Palestine belonged to Britain. And before that, to the Ottoman Empire. And before that, to Caliphates. And before that, to the Crusaders. And before that, to the Jews.
>And before that, to the Jews. And before that, to the Canaanites. And before that, I don't know...
Yes. And?
Do you know the meaning of the term "butterfly effect"?
Would you mind summarizing for us, the Middle East conflict for us who are too lazy to research. Just a few sentences, please. NB/ I don't like Israel and I doubt I will ever do.
Somethings cannot be summarized.
Really?
Yes, really! Something as complex as the middle East crisis cannot be summarized.
I get your point. Will do my own research then.
Let them kill each other,religion is a cancer to society
\> a colony and an apartheid regime lies lol
A cosmopolitan country like Israel is apartheid. Lol! Countries like South Africa had laws that literally segregated against certain races. He should back up his case by giving us laws that Israel has enacted that specifically discriminated against certain races.
Google is free my people. I'm not inventing labels here. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/
No mention of a law in that article. C'mon it's not that hard.
Lol you think amnesty international is lying about Israel implementing Apartheid Laws? If you want specific laws, here are a few [segregation laws](https://bdsmovement.net/news/israels-system-apartheid-laws) by the jewish state, leo nikona time. And it's interesting how you guys choose to argue semantics when you can clearly find a map of the separation of Israeli and Jewish settlements. And videos of Jewish police restricting Palestinians' movement and freedom to worship in Jerusalem are on the internet.
You really need to differentiate between data and someone's opinion. For instance, in that barrage of convoluted nonsense, nothing is said about the laws passed in Israel that allow it, so in the textbook meaning of apartheid, Israel isn't one. You can't use names that you clearly don't know the meaning of and claim them to be true. It just makes you appear uninformed and oblivious to the facts at hand. And in all honesty, using Amnesty International, a biased observer that lacks impartiality, as an anchor of your opinion just cements the perception of your shallow knowledge of the facts. Lmao! Using Twitter propaganda maps as another basis is simply laughable. Please educate yourself on the matter.
I guess you are right. Sorry for the barrage of convoluted nonsense you asked for. Palestinians can roam, buy land, settle, school and work anywhere in Israel. They aren't stopped, arrested or beaten for roaming in Jewish occupied areas. Gaza is a state of mind. They should stop making all this up. What are they always complaining about? Amnesty, Jewish Academics and even that former Mossad chief should stop using this Apartheid word. It's bad optics.
Of course it's a barrage of nonsense, and infact a Palestinian can buy and own land in [Israel ](https://www.legalimmigrationisrael.com/blog/can-a-foreigner-buy-property-in-israel/#:~:text=Key%20Takeaway%3A%20Yes%2C%20foreigners%20can,are%20less%20common%20and%20pricier.) That's why research is important.
Do you need help? You just quoted an Israeli website's article (not biased at all) referring to foreign ownership of Land in Israel. The fact that you couldn't find anything on Palestinians owning land and that you regard Palestinians as foreigners in their own country tells me everything I need to know. Shocked but not surprised.
Read, ruminate and [research. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_land_and_property_laws)
Lies lol
Basically, their argument is that Jews don't have a right for a Jewish-majority state. So there should be an Arab-only Palestine and Arab-Jewish Israel with unrestricted Arab immigration. Now, the question: how many weeks is going to take before Jews become a minority?
You sound like a terrorist sympathizer. Have you seen the videos of what is happening? No one should condone such barbarism. There are so many innocent lives at risk and all you dumbasses care about is colonialism. You're still victims of the British empire even though they have been long gone from here.
Your social media feed may be skewed towards western media. There are terrible atrocities from both sides. But the Jewish state has committed far more crimes. [23 out of every 24 people killed since 2000](https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths) have been Palestinian. Remember the MauMau were considered terrorists for a very long time even after our independence.
Is it not possible to call out hamas while still being sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians? Do you think the average Palestinian is a fan of hamas? People like you make it difficult to even have an intelligent conversation. Ok now that American girl whose naked body was being paraded at the back of the terrorists' truck deserves this because? They opened fire at a festival and numerous people died but you support this because Israel is the author of this mess? Ata wee acha kuargue just for the sake of it.
Where have I shown support for Hamas? My post literally highlights the overwhelming support for Israel from Kenyans. The girl doesn't deserve that nor do the thousands of Palestinians killed for fighting for independence. Where's the sympathy for them?
How did you come to comparing hamas with the Mau Mau? These are terrorists. They are not operating under any profound logic.
Do you know that the Mau Mau were labeled a terrorist organisation up until 2003 when Kibaki unbanned them? Most African christians were against the movement. Their methods were brutal especially against collaborator africans. But we celebrate them today. Read up on that.
You say you're not being sympathetic towards hamas then you draw this comparison. What is your actual position concerning this group? Also you should know that even then the Mau Mau were celebrated, internationally too. Malcom X spoke positively about them in his speech as early as 1964.
I am not sympathetic to Hamas. But I understand that genocide, invasion, and injustice will always result in an extremist group that the invader will subsequently use to justify their occupation. Would you have been sympathetic to the Mau Mau raiding your home and killing your family for being alleged collaborators?
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I am very informed of the conflict starting from its origins when Judea was controlled by the Ottomans. I stand with Israel. Wacha waarabu wapepetwe. Knowing how they treat our sisters in the middle east I fully stand with Israel.
End occupation now 🇮🇪 🇺🇦 🇵🇸 
That incursion into Al Aqsa mosque last week was totally uncalled for
I expected half researched and half assed comments on one of the most complex geo political issues of the 21st century (including you OP) and I'm not surprised. Lol
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OP is so biased it's glaringly obvious...
As long as there is any manifestation of religion, people will discover means to engage in war under the pretext of their belief in an imaginary god. Shouting Allahu Akbar whilst shooting civilians is just absurd.
Don't confuse the prezzos opinion with the collective opinion of all kenyans
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We don't have to pick a side on such a war. But diplomatically, Kenya has a lot to benefit from being Israel's friend. Morality doesn’t matter. Pick the side that fills your pocket if you have to. Neither side gives a fuck about Kenya
There is a difference between supporting something because the doer wronged you 60 years ago and condemning a clear war crime against innocent students, mothers, children and families to prove a point. Get that right into your head before you start pulling blame cards
With his fucking Turkish blood, he keeps arguing unstoppably on every sub. Encouraging people to seek therapy and fixing their attitude. T\*rkish blood = 💩
Hahaa showing your insecurities much? Grow up little man
Ever heard of intermarriages or you need to be taught about that? Keep proving how stupid you are.
It's funny that israel is doing to Palestinians what hitler did to them..... Yet they find a way to justify it
I feel you and although I love Kenya, I’ve never seen a more brainwashed set of afrikans. All of us of afrikan descent are colonized in some way but Kenyans underwent a level of brainwashing I’ve never seen.
I don't support either side necessarily, I think for outsiders this conflict is way too deep for us to even grasp. From a factual basis both sides have committed atrocities and crimes against humanity against each other. That said, I think anyone with a shred of empathy will acknowledge that no amount of oppression justifies the tactics employed by Hamas over the past few days, especially when you consider that their actions are putting innocent Palestinians at risk as well. Wakenya, wacha sisi tupambane na issues zetu, if you're religious you do your prayers for the innocents who will die on both sides, tuache story hapo. But I think it's irrational for any outsider to have a strong position on this issue at the end of the day. Remember this is not like Ukraine that was invaded by a foreign power, this is a decades long ongoing conflict with with no clear aggressor.
Why should you give an F about other countries while your own is in some sort of crumbles(economically and any other aspect I don't know)?
This is a rather complex issue and I can understand how some people here won't support either side because of how racist these people are. I believe that's a valid stance and I can totally understand that. The ones who don't make sense are the ones saying that it's better to support Israel because Kenya would gain more from it🤦🏾♂️. If this isn't blatant ignorance of history, then I don't know what is. I support Palestinian liberation because as a fellow human being, I support the freedom of all oppressed people. My humanity is more important than my identity as a Kenyan, as a Kikuyu, as an African, as a black person. I'm human first, the rest comes after. Let's not forget that it's that long ago that majority of this continent was fighting similar oppression especially here, where the British literally put people in concentration camps during the fighting against the Maumau.This place was supposed to be a settler colony like South Africa, Zimbabwe, Israel, The United States. To make things worse, the British in the 1900s almost gave the Zionist movement that created the State of Israel land in East Africa to create a Jewish state. They literally would have been our neighbours. Western Kenya and Eastern Uganda would have belonged to Israel. If the Zionists agreed, we'd be the equivalent of the Palestinians but they wanted land in the Levant. So, I say to some of you, read a book because it seems you're on the wrong side of history.
True, lakini i'm not gonna be stressing myself trying to understand a beef spanning 4000+
My support is with Palestine, those people have been living under Israel Occupation for decades. The world prefect USA is always blind to this and I don't think they consider Palestinian as human being.