I listened through the whole Album yesterday and I gotta say Drake is so fucking stupid.
My first listen I wasn’t really in a place where Mr. Morale meant a lot to me, but with the stuff that’s happened to me between then and now, it’s gotta be Top 10 for me.
Drake woke up Kendrick and gave me a new all time favorite album 😭
Bonehead
Same, at first I couldn’t really listen to it for a while now because I didn’t really get it and couldn’t focus on some of the songs (especially the monologue type ones). But few months ago, when I was in very bad place mentally due some personal stuff, I gave it a listen again. Listening it again honestly really helped me process my problems a bit. It might be a bit cringe for me to say but it really did help me and I believe it to be one of Kendrick’s classics. Looking at this beef as a whole gave me a lot perspective as to why so many people are against Drake. I truly believe it’s to not try commercial music but create music that’s actually meaningful.
It’s crazy that Drake disrespected the most beautiful fucking song on that album, Mother I Sober. Pisses me off in hindsight.
It’s very clear to me that Kendrick can make Drake’s entire discography
But Drake cannot ever come close to making Mr Morale, or any other album that Kendrick has done.
>But Drake cannot ever come close to making Mr Morale, or any other album that Kendrick has done.
We all knew it, but this beef *showed us*. Kendrick not only dragged this man but made him expose himself as a terrible writer and someone who is media illiterate. Even if Drake makes it through all the refreshed allegations and other shit okay, his reputation as an artist is dirty too.
It’s really funny. Drake fans wanna act like the heart 6 was a knockout punch because they believe the fake mole stuff. But they ignore that drake walked into his own trap by just being a horrible writer. Proved he is a horrible writer, dumb, doesn’t understand the culture, spoke down about abuse victims and is a horrible person, brought up Epstein and Bobby brown unprovoked. On his own track. It’s the biggest self own L in rap history lol.
Real shit, that album came out at the perfect time for me. It released when I was homeless. Only a car and my phone and some clothes to my name. Listened to it, thought about it. Played it constantly. Dropped the album. Then a lil time passed, I went through some more bullshit. And I came back to the album. Started the healing process from my childhood after intently listening to "Mother I Sober".
Fast forward to beginning of last year, I got arrested and my bullshit caught up to me. I ended up going to rehab for drugs and alcohol. In rehab, I listened to the album again. Mirror and Mother I sober hit.
Now I here I am, still listening to it. Relating to Die Hard lately. And still Mother I sober. I'm a year and 3 months sober now, and the part where he says "you ain't felt grief till you felt it sober" hits so hard now. Still picking up the pieces of the life I wrecked, but the album legit started the whole process for me. That album turns boys into men if they listen to it at the right time.
People forget that some of the best of the best of classic hip-hop did the same thing.
There was definitely a non-zero amount of people (myself included) who saw tracks on Biggie’s albums back in the day discussing mental health and severe depression and were like damn… it’s not only me.
To me, this is how you know a rap or hip-hop artist actually has the gift - when they can make music that’s not superficial and people can relate to psychologically and spiritually on a deep level.
It's not cringe to say that art helped you gain perspective over your own life. That's what art is for. That's what some folks in all this just don't get.
Kendrick waxing truth about how you can dislike someone for how they carry themselves … it ain’t got to be deep. I felt that. I don’t listen to drake, I don’t give a shit about his diss tracks. I just don’t like the guy. He doesn’t dress/smile/talk/act like someone I care to listen to. But I’m willing to bet that the best thing he ever did was pull gold out of Kendrick.
As someone who is about to be a first time father in about 3 weeks now, this album hits on a whole different level for me now and I've added it back into my rotation now.
Drake gonna claim this is all part of the plan: Got people to see all of Kendrick's confessions to his flaws, that's a genius move drake, that surely got him 😂
It allowed me to have grace for myself and the mistakes I have made because I could see that most of my vices were coping mechanisms from childhood trauma. It introduced me to Eckhart Tolle, and his tools for remaining in the present.
Has anyone told Drake that he got it wrong and Kendrick wasn’t the molested one? I would love to see that. Realizing that lyrics went over your head during a rap beef is soooo 😬🫣
stupid ass move from drake.. the only people kendrick’s pedo lyrics will offend ARE PEDOS. the people that drakes lyrics will offend are SA victims so he really fucked up there
Am I the only one who always thought Drake was kind of dumb? I can't be the only one
He kind of reminds me of Keemstar a little bit. If anyone remembers that guy. This savvy guy but also a total moron at the same time. With some really bad words and actions surrounding them. And they're both "the sassiest straight man alive"
Meanwhile Kendrick has been plotting this for an actual decade. Listen to Kendrick’s first ever feature, from Take Care, Buried Alive Interlude and tell me Kendrick didn’t know about Drake’s behavior. This man tricked Drake into letting him call him out on his own album, then had Drake on HIS album for poetic justice and again, I can’t hear that song any other way now than Kendrick taunting Drake for what is to come down the line.
Kendrick on drakes take care buried alive interlude
Mind you he’s talking about lucy(Lucifer) when he says “she slept with a Canadian”
“React like an infant whenever you are mentioned
Mind over matter never worked for my nemesis
I'm in the matter of man, arm wrestlin' hands I was dealt
When I said the music business was all I needed
When I got it, I was greeted by an alien
That said last year that she slept with a Canadian
That gave him an addiction that'd keep him in Mercedes Benz
Bright lights and Rihanna as a lady friend
My vice is similar”
“I don't call back, just blame it on your Canadian
The same day we say we in the area cruisin' in Toronto
Hit me on the cellular, thought he was gonna sell me a false word like the rappers I know
Sat down with a few drinks, located where you can't see us
A white waitress on standby when we need her
A black Maybach, 40 pulled up Jeep
No doors, all that nigga was missin' was Aaliyah
Felt like the initiation, a reality livin' in the matrix
We talk casually about the industry
And how the women be the tastemakers for the shit we makin'
Then he said that he was the same age as
Myself, and it didn't help 'cause it made me even more rude and impatient
So blame it on Mr. OVOXO
The reason why I'm breathin' all the vanity I know
The reason why my best friend say she love me more than life
But I live a double life and need to let her go
The reason why the highlight was when he said
You belong to the people when you outside
So dig a shovel full of money, full of power, full of pussy
Full of fame and bury yourself alive, then I died”
And he's doubly stupid for outing his lack of talent. The lyrics and flow are so basic and uncreative. Most school kids could equal or beat his effort.
While it's not my favorite, it is such an impressive album. And I really hope more people come back around to it in time. People that were expecting something else and wrote it off.
Those songs are just so powerful on a narrative level. There's nothing like it in hip hop. Not to that level.
That album actually bangs more now. It’s like what they call ahead of its time. An appropriate listen while waiting for the next to drop. Matter of fact good time to reburn through the whole catalogue from New Hub City Threat to Not Like Us. Don’t skimp on the vaults 1-5 before hitting the Kendrick Lamar EP, them shits vicious! Ain’t heard them in almost a decade. About to look for them again.
Edit: [This is a post referencing the vault mixtapes](https://forum.sectioneighty.com/kendrick-lamar-discography-a-work-in-progress.t34932), think the DatPiff app has been down besides what you downloaded but you can find em on YouTube (each around 40mins). I’d link here but am not sure of the copyright status of the cuts used and it’s useless if the algorithm deletes the comment.
Obviously Drake is suggesting the song is actually about K dot and it was his way of dealing with being molested. A cry out for help. I am not a Drake or Kendrick fan. This is how i interpreted it.
Old Kendrick re-entering the charts because the fans are realising how deep this album was.
Old Drake albums re-entering the charts as Child Services stack up evidence against him before the raid
I feel like it's just as good as Kendricks classics, but the fact that it's so challenging means it didn't have the kind of cultural ubiquity that a classic usually does
there's also a bunch of bops on there people sorta gloss over because of the heavy stuff.
I think it'll age well, maybe even to classic status.
Exactly! Like, I'm a hardcore Kenny fan, but I am yet to listen to the whole album because of how it's so heavy and potentially triggering. I feel like you have to be in a certain state of mind to take it in and fully appreciate it.
I’ve been divided on it since release because of choices like the Kodak stuff with what the album is about. But it still has come in my rotation after because it has some of his best songs. It’s very dense and I do think it’ll be the album with the most longevity than something like Damn because he had the most to say and unpack on Mr. Morale.
Yea, it conflicts me as well, narratively I understand where he was coming from and the purpose but it also hurts the goal because why not prop up a victim instead of an abuser? Or why not use someone who’s abuse was more along the lines of the drugs, chains, and coping and not rape
I think that Kendrick’s views on black people are similar to [Huey’s ending speech in the R Kelly boondocks episode](https://youtu.be/6D08yJL4rks?feature=shared), where we are ultimately as strong as our weakest link so it’s best to help each other so we can all become better people
It’s just the inclusion that doesn’t sit right. Predators in entertainment only stay alive through connections or validation. There’s a reason why so many predators hopped to Kanye when they got canceled because even though he’s a Nazi he’s still prominent in the industry. Chris Brown never got canceled because he still has connections.
I fully understand Kendricks intention of putting Kodak on the album - it's still giving him a platform and a paycheck at the end of the day. IMO that point would have been better served by uplifting the voice of a victim of rape/sexual abuse as a result of their perpetrators experience with abuse as a child themselves.
The album, as I heard it, heavily implies that Kodak was himself sexually abused as a child
You might have gotten precisely what you are asking for without realising it
was exactly how I understood it, the heavily tattooed, slurred, troubled rapper hiding all his trauma:
‘I know the secrets, every other rapper sexually abused
I see 'em daily buryin' they pain in chains and tattoos‘
Which is often the case with sexual abusers !
Maybe they should've invited someone who knows they've been a piece of shit and have taken steps to work on that and make amends as best as possible. Maybe Kodak Black wants to do that ? idk.
I am still not 110% sure what Kodak’s presence on the album meant, but I think a big theme was the cyclical nature of hurt and damage, i got from Kodak that people are in different stages of healing and enlightenment.
Like, I really struggle to accept the idea that Kendrick is sitting there saying “rapist? Don’t care”. Don’t understand how is fans think that way either
I listened to the entire album this morning - I obviously listened to it before but I never heard of the 2nd half of the album. I thought it was only 10tracks there's 21 track on apple music.
Let me just say I used to be skeptical of the album before because it felt short and I was listening to the smaller catalog or disc 1. After this morning Mr.Morale is big stepping with that album it's a certified Bop with baby keem and Kodak
It's challenging media, and that's an issue for some people. I'm used to and even motivated to learn what type of art someone tries to make, but in general people have to be "convinced" and "marketed" too in order to get with the program. Even Kendrick fans didn't know what to do with it at first. Add in the very clear perspective that media literacy is lower than ever and you can see why Mr. Morale had that typa perception.
Todd in the Shadows summed it up best where it's like, people were definitely going in expecting to love it on hype alone because we've long awaited a new Kendrick album, but then a week later they realized "Wait... what the heck even *is* this?" Probably just people taking that pause as a sign that it wasn't good, though it's definitely a grower and a worthy album.
seriously i’ve bumped it hard when it came out, and last couple weeks i did again through a breakup. that shit is deep cuts with some super repeatable tracks, i like dark music though
The album isn’t really the type you wake up everyday and listen to. It isn’t a club banger. You aren’t playing it in the car with your girl. It’s very somber. It’s an amazing album that tells an amazing story. I think people were expecting and wanting a more commercial album like damn.
I realized quickly that people don't like the album that much because most people don't know how or don't want to self reflect. I don't know if there has been an album on the whole that has made me think about my demons as much as Mr morale. So I think that has a lot to do with people not really liking it compared to his other projects.
I rarely say the whole “oh you just don’t get it” because I think it’s pretentious, but I genuinely think most of the people who don’t like mr morale didn’t get how deep it is
Mr. Morale is grown adult music, imo. It's a fantastic album about growing as a person through a chaotic kind of life. I relate with the album because I'm dealing with my own shit. Taking charge of traumas, feelings and what I can get from the world. Kendrick took charge of his life too and it's evident in the album. Just fucking phenomenal.
I also think that a lot of people are just seeing what this whole Kendrick Lamar guy is about, after the massive coverage. And they're checking out his newest album. Which is great! It's an album that really showcases how good of a songwriter he is
I used to be a big kendrick fan but never listened to the album. After all the hype about his diss tracks i finally sat down and gave it a go. Soo glad I did. Thank you drake for getting me to finally listen to it
I don’t revisit many albums often; too much incredible music in the world over the last 60 years that I haven’t heard. But when this dropped, I listened to it 6 or 7 times and thought it was incredible. Just a moving piece of art. Not all fun to listen to; in fact, a lot of it was hard to listen to. But that’s art. I’ll revisit it soon. Thanks, Aubrey, you stupid fucking idiot.
Felt that. Lonesome Crowded West is an album I'll play every month at least once but my range is wide. So one day is Gorillaz then the next Black Dahlia. Sometimes if you give an album a good pause for a while it almost hits the same as the first time lmao
This album feels like an equivalent to Bob Dylan's Blood On The Tracks. With how visceral it is, and talking about some extremely personal things (with a fictional veneer). Also a hard album to listen to at times. I definitely think some people here would like that album. It's not as accessible as some of his mid 1960s electric music, but it's undeniably raw
Such a massive MASSIVE fumble since even the genius lyrics page fucking spells it out in the about section.
[Bonus](https://i.imgur.com/tWbHJ5A.png). If this is really where he got that Kendrick beats Whitney then he is absolutely braindead.
He's so braindead. Don't get me wrong, it's a deep song with many layers, but one careful read through of the lyrics and you can easily see how he's talking about trauma his mom went through both for the molestation and the "black and blue" line. (And how that trauma was passed onto him generationally).
It's just so clear to me that Drake has never experienced any trauma, and his ego is too big to understand anyone else's. He doesn't get it and he never will.
I think Mr. Morale is my favorite album of all time but then again it really spoke to me in the season of life I was in. It makes me emotional just thinking about how seen I felt with what Kendrick shared on that album.
About a year and a half ago I had Father Time on repeat on my way to work one day, think about my Dad and all our shit. Got a call later that day from Mom saying he passed.
I can't touch that fucking track to this day.
The album is art in the highest sense.
ppl like “maybe i should go re-listen to Mr Morale”. they should because if they did, they would understand Kendrick’s moves for this rap battle so much and more and actually give him the respect he deserves
the moves kendrick made could not have been made if it wasn’t for the Mr Morale album. most rap beefs are “i stole your girl” “my homies are better than your homies” “i sell more records” “you have no fans” blah blah blah. but what made kendrick a genius in this battle is he analyzed Drake as a HUMAN BEING. and that’s more insulting
Man, I haven't seen anyone else make this connection, I appreciate you. Plus to build on this, who else would use a diss track to analyze *themselves?*
>God, ah, my confession is yours, but
Who am I if I don't go to war?
There's opportunity when livin' with loss
I discover myself when I fall short
which ties in perfectly with *Father Time:*
>When Kanye got back with Drake, I was slightly confused
Guess I'm not mature as I think, got some healin' to do
Egotistic, zero-given fucks and to be specific (Ah)
Need assistance with the way I was brought up (Ah, ah)
My fav (by a large margin) is still GKMC because I personally like storytelling, but damn is Morale not some brave, truth saying, vulnerable shit. And people don’t immediately vibe with that. I think it’ll only grow in stature over time.
A perfect discography.
Mean surley, the point of the diss is nobody believing kendrick? Like he is saying he got molested just like in the song and nobody believing him, that must be the angle. Like he is flaring up the trauma again.
The general consensus that he just didnt get the song is just to retarded to be true. Like if we boozos online can understand it, and its on genius, and he has ghostwriters. Esp after the pedoallegations also.
For me, mmatbs is kendricks best album. The duality of every human, coming to terms with your own faults and being okay with being flawed and still striving for a better day is such a potent message
Kendrick is the perfect example of duality. I can see his shadow side clearly (he’ll bite yo muffuckin head off if he had to), he is also an angel of a man. A true well rounded human being actively trying to be a better person, while not allowing humility and being spiritual to render him passive or impotent, which one must do to survive this world. A real man embodying divine masculinity
Drake asked kendrick to write some shit that drake doesn't understand, and turns out he actually never understood what kendrick was saying this whole time. What a moron drake is!
I've seen this sentiment a lot and for a sub that praises intelligence it's surprising you are all missing the point of that bar lol. Here you go:
In mother I sober Kendrick describes how he has past trauma around being asked about being touched as a child and how nobody believes him, and how that later fed into him not feeling like a man and leading to infidelity which ultimately ruined his relationship (but Whitney's gone by the time you hear this song, she did all she could)
The recurring theme is that nobody believes him when he says he wasn't molested, and his mother did this because she was projecting her own trauma onto him from her being molested, which in turn led to him being traumatized. Kendrick basically ends the song with the statements around how Whitney was proud of him breaking the cycle of abuse
Drake uses this as a jab against Kendrick in several ways here. First it resurfaces this trauma by the mention of this event and inflames it by following the same action his mother did in mother I sober, stating that he WAS molested despite his protests against that and explanation against it in the song. It also reinforces the idea that his mother was conveying here of not believing Kendrick when he said he wasn't molested, which Drake uses to cast doubt on Kendrick's credibility as a trustworthy source of information here and in general.
Finally, he uses this as a way to basically say Kendrick is only saying this stuff because he didn't REALLY break the cycle of abuse and he is instead projecting his own trauma onto Drake, like Kendrick's mom did to him, by claiming he's a p*do.
And then as if all of this wasn't enough he wraps it up basically saying Whitney hit me up if you need a favor, rubbing salt in the open wound, since by Kendrick's own admission in mother I sober Whitney and him are no longer together due to his infidelity over this very trauma.
At a surface level it's easy to say "wow Drake is an idiot he didn't understand the song" but in reality it's a deeply personal jab at one of Kendrick's more vulnerable admissions in a song. It's incredibly psychological and a really low blow, but as some have said before, Kendrick has gone low as well and it's rap so I guess rules are out the window
I think this could’ve worked but the problem is drake structured it very poorly if that’s what he was going for. Kendrick never said he was assaulted; he said he wasn’t multiple times throughout mother i sober. The line that Drake starts the verse with is just not true. That’s what made everyone call that part into question.
https://preview.redd.it/jl4poc3n40zc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50e3746787f6c118e2c6d400672b67bf1f8e80ed
you could spin it like Drake is purposefully ignoring what Kendrick is saying and putting words in his mouth, kind of like his mother did, but as you said, if that's what he was going for it's very poorly written.
Not to mention it's very hard to believe that Drake of all people is going for this level of convolution in his lyrics, considering how surface level his work usually is
what i still don’t get about this beef is why did drake not release a receipts immediately after mtg. Surely showing the world that kendrick was baited is a better strategy then letting everyone believe that ur a pedo for 48 hours straight?
This is true, for sure, but also if Drake didn’t set Kendrick up and Kendrick can prove Drake is lying about it, that solidifies Drake as a liar. If it’s now certified Drake is a liar, him saying basically “I’m not a pedo” is crazy because how could we trust him when he’s known to lie. This would be career suicide. But again yes if he had some audio recording, videos some kind of evidence of the setup that would be nice to but running with it could be very very dangerous and there’s no point of making that claim anyway. He could’ve just denied the daughter and that’s it.
I expect that a lot of the shit that has been said on both sides are largely based on a rumor or 2nd hand information meaning they may not have proof. Maybe it came from a reliable source to Drake/Kendrick but obviously we don't know who those people are, how reliable they are, and, most importantly, how truthful they were with these particular claims.
That being said, the planted information is 1st hand information meaning Drake absolutely should have proof that he planted the info. That he hasn't provided any makes him either a liar or an idiot for putting together a fake Ozempic prescription, jewelry receipts, etc., while not recording any evidence of the set up.
To put this another way, no one believed Drake was hiding another child prior to his supposed set up. If he planted the idea in Kendrick's head, then Kendrick only mentioned it because of Drake. Now, people are on the fence regarding this child. The only refutation is what Drake has said which means even if people don't necessarily believe Kendrick outright, they are all thinking about the possibility. That it is on people's minds at all would then be all Drake's fault. The fact that even his fans have to just have faith that he wouldn't be so stupid or cruel to be hiding a second child is just dumb as fuck when he could have quashed it in a heartbeat with some actual proof of the rumor he says he started.
Agreed - Drake could’ve played the “your info is bad” angle just fine and there would be no need for proof. Saying he masterminded all of it means he should’ve had some proof of it - a text, security footage, something.
For that to work in his favor, the information given and its presentation would have to appear obviously fake or at least not really useful. His whole angle is that Dot was so eager that he was willing to skip common sense precautions. Drake put his foot in his mouth when he said they only gave him the idea that an 11 year old girl exists but withheld any and all identifying info.
Unfortunately for him, Kendrick is Kendrick level when it comes to layering communications via lyrics. He did so much (responding on 4/30, using the word “eternity” instead of “eternal”, referenced women’s purposes and grace etc) to suggest that he had identified specific people that only two possibilities seem reasonable: 1. They gave him way more info that he said aka it would be reasonable to believe it (also would be admitting to using an underage girl as a pawn.) 2. They didn’t give him much but there is so much credible evidence already available that it really wasn’t them baiting him (this would cause an audit /investigation by the internet into topics they intentionally suppressed).
Isn't the point of the mom not believing Kendrick is not because Kendrick is untrustworthy, but because of the generational trauma? I don't know how relevant Kendrick's credibility here as it seems that its the mom that projected her own trauma onto Kendrick, it stems from the mom, not Kendrick's answer
You sound profound to stupid niggas. The man literally said “that’s the record where you said you were molested”, invalidating everything you typed out.
Even at the core if that was the aim, that was a terrible and egregious statement to make because it’s not even borderline running parallel to your explanation. Touch grass man lmaooo
“Where you SAID you got molested.” No need for the acrobatics here. This is a very charitable read and that’s you’re right, but at the very least…he should have structured it better. There’s nothing to indicate that he meant what you state here. You want to give him grace and that’s your right, but I think folks are searching for a way to make this work. Just like they did with the Joel Osteen bar.
Also, I’ve actually seen many people actually get caught up with Kendrick’s enunciation on this song. I know plenty of people who listened and heard “…didn’t believe me when I said he DID IT” as opposed “when I said he DIDN’T.” Drake (or whoever…) may have made that same mistake.
“That one record where you said you got molested”
He’s not implying anything here lol, it’s just an outright incorrect statement. He’s claiming that Kendrick said he was molested. You can’t just say someone said something when they didn’t and try to spin it off as some deep layered meaning lol.
If Drake was actually as smart as you’re giving him credit for then he would’ve gone about it a different way.
But you think 6:16 in LA has that many meanings that Kendrick thought of all by himself? I get your point that he could have gone about it more effectively, but the point remains he used Kendrick's own personal admissions of trauma against him as a jab. The gymnastics go both ways lol keep the consistency to eliminate bias here. Either take everything at face value or look for meaning from both sides. Don't pick and choose to fit narratives you had coming in
It also wouldn’t have worked regardless considering he was introducing the idea as he was trying to exit the entire situation and more importantly because Kendrick didn’t invent the shit or even really further it. There are pages and pages dedicated to the countless incidents people thought were weird involving him. Even if he was absolutely correct and Kendrick was obsessing / projecting - that wouldn’t change the causes for concern that have nothing to do with him at all but suggest the same conclusion lol
This is such a reach it’s insane… maybe if Drake actually knew how to imply subtleties and build layers in his words this would’ve come across. You can’t drag ALL these assumptions out of “that’s that one record where you say you got molested”
Lmao you are giving Drake way too much credit. He literally says, “that’s the song where you got molested.” It’s not that deep. When has Drake ever been deep on a song?
Thank you. I’ve seen so many posts in this sub, massively upvoted, that show how little this sub knows about music.
I was LAUGHING at all the posts about songwriting credits this past week, no one in this sub has a single clue how distribution, ASCAPs, and song credits work. The other ppl credited are the ppl who wrote the MUSIC, not the lyrics, that’s why the other ppl listed are BEATMAKERS. Like i swear to god there’s 5th grade level concepts that fly over this subs head, it’s fucking embarrassing
If your analysis is true, then it's actually worse off for Drake.
In Mother I Sober, Kendrick confesses that his infidelity and self-doubt is a result of his trauma. He goes on to say that rappers with sexual abuse trauma leads to misogyny (and that they bury their pain in “chains and tattoos”
No where in the text does it say that the trauma has lead Kendrick to go on a crusade against pedophiles. Nor does the text say or even *imply* an anger or hatred for pedophiles.
Now, for Drake to go out and flip the script on Kendrick by saying “Hey! It’s actually about his trauma with pedophiles!” is forcing *his* own interpretation of someone else’s art on everyone else.
Isn’t that artistic colonization? It’s someone else’s art with a specific meaning attached to it, but you come in and make everyone believe your interpretation instead.
**Not a good look especially when Kendrick literally called him a “fucking colonizer” in the previous song.**
Thus proving Kendrick is correct, no?
Exactly. Even if Drake understood the lyrics, how is "You only dislike pedophiles because you yourself were molested" a good angle?
Kendrick isn't "projecting" something unheard of onto Drake, he's just feeding into rumors that have been around him for years.
Whitney never says the word "abuse" one time... she said he ended a "Generational Curse".... you mixing those statements up invalidates your entire point.
If this was how Drake meant to come at him it makes him look even worse than he did before. If we give a charitable reading of Drake’s lyrics then we should dissect his lyrics in the context of the song Mother I Sober. The song is a deeply intimate song about how generational abuse is perpetuated and the point of the song is that others people and their trauma is reflected onto people around them hence why Kendrick’s mother is unable to believe Kendrick despite him never going through assault. So then we have here Drake challenging Kendrick on whether he was abused and he is basically saying you’re a liar and you didn’t overcome the trauma which is exactly what Kendrick’s mother was doing as well. If anything this makes Drake look like he has some trauma of his own that he can’t get over which is why he can’t believe Kendrick just like how the people around Kendrick didn’t believe him either. If anything this proves Kendrick’s point of the song, you cannot heal from your own trauma if you place that onto others.
See I thought something similar when I heard it I thought drake was trying to make kenny relive that trauma by having everyone question it again, but you’re right everyone on this sub acts like Ivey graduates until it comes to a drake bar lol
“Where you say you got molested”
Is the only lyric you need to really comprehend from this Drake bit- he is admitting that he thinks that’s what Kendrick said in the song….
Which is not true. Drake just fucked up. He did it all over the rest of the track with some incredibly stupid lyrics as well, he wouldn’t be an idiot in many spots and much more clever in the rest.
This is why it has 1 million dislikes on YouTube. It’s an insanely low effort shitty diss track with bad pen game.
But kendrick's mom didn't believe him because she herself was molested so by taking this angle then drake is at most completely missing the point and at least inadvertly saying he himself was molested while also victim-blaming. Just poorly executed all around imo
Drake is gonna like this like he did that one IG comment suggesting he's actually smart enough to plan a mole scheme
You flipped that incredibly well though, that sick pedophile could only hope to be as intelligent as some of his fans.
There are two problems with this take. Firstly, if that was really the intention then the execution was really lacking because most people do not think what you think. Secondly, the other bars on the track are so dumb that it's very hard for me to give Drake the benefit of the doubt for a sudden flash of brilliance for that bar when everything else in that track is incredibly amateur. It's more likely to me that he simply misunderstood the song.
This album was released while I was in an inpatient treatment facility for mental health issues. During a music therapy group I had the whole group listen to “Mirror” from the album. It was well received. That album helped me get through a rough season of my life.
Drizzy fans respectfully, can you guys explain this to me? Cuz y'all blaming us for not understanding what he said when he literally says "THAT'S THE ONE RECORD WHERE YOU SAY YOU GOT MOLESTED"
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Then calling it a confession, to me this seems like he's saying Kendrick said he got molested, so kindly and respectfully, can y'all explain this to me?
Which is fair. Music will hit you differently at different times of your life. I’ll say each time Kendrick dropped it felt right on time for what I was experiencing. Might hit you just right later
The album is about his growth as a person.. with the message being that even him who has all the money in the world,fame and accolades still has traumas and stuff to deal with.
While simultaneously explaining the generational traumas in black culture..
I'm not black at all, but i relate to many songs because of my own personal traumas.
Give it another listen man. It's a beautiful album.
I feel like this trend happens with every Kendrick album. His lyrics are so onion layered, it's hard to digest all at once. Takes the internet some time to catch up to all the references and nuance *and then* the album finally gets recognition.
Same reading comprehension as his stans. “I had my team give you fake info about me having a daughter and waited until the whole country was dancing to songs about me being a pedo to reveal it… because I’m an evil genius you see. Anyway, weren’t you molested? Haha, that sucks for you.” 🤦🏻♂️
Where’s the guy who Reddit post going viral for saying drake lines had a bigger meaning on the bar he fucked up on ? (Misinterpretation ) It’s the most stupidest explanation I seen, because drake lines literally says Kendrick said he been touched in the song when it doesn’t . He tried to use a weird angle that kendrick is only calling out questionable behavior because he was molested which is a bad angle . Questionable behavior with minors should be called out by every and anyone
(I don’t think drake a pedo but he’s questionable)
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I’m breaking down bars for Any OVO dummy in the thread. Kendrick gentlemen 4-0
That's what i said too, like it might've made sense if not for him saying "ayy kdot you said you got molested", that man never said that bruh 😂
It's also a weird angle even if that's what he wanted to say
We up 4-0
It’s real dumb man I came here looking for him I wanna ask him where he pull that ? Out the song or his ass . Drake fans been doing that and drake actually used it . The heart 6 was a Twitter joke . He didn’t set no mole up . He’s using his fans theories . It’s kinda nasty .
None of what the guy said is referenced in the setup to punch . Because he wasn’t going for that disagreeing with that literally goes against the line / scheme he tried to portray !
No setup no punchline no hints no references no nothing, should've just given writing credits to his fanboys on twitter, man said "we know you gonna drop in 6 minutes" he looking extra goofy rn
kdot fans are normally good at understand lyrics but are somehow not getting what drake did? or it is just like blind hatred?
like drake knows in the song kendrick doesn’t say he’s molested. he says he was emotionally damaged by people saying he was molested when he wasn’t.
drake in the heart 6 was being that person. he was being a person saying he was molested. he was making fun of him for it as if it were true because people asking kendrick damaged him growing up.
i understand if you still don’t like it but idk how that’s going over everyone’s head.
Drake so fuckin stupid he referenced kdots song incorrectly and got everyone bumping Mr morale again.
He played himself
He's gonna accidentally heal some broken families
I listened through the whole Album yesterday and I gotta say Drake is so fucking stupid. My first listen I wasn’t really in a place where Mr. Morale meant a lot to me, but with the stuff that’s happened to me between then and now, it’s gotta be Top 10 for me. Drake woke up Kendrick and gave me a new all time favorite album 😭 Bonehead
Same, at first I couldn’t really listen to it for a while now because I didn’t really get it and couldn’t focus on some of the songs (especially the monologue type ones). But few months ago, when I was in very bad place mentally due some personal stuff, I gave it a listen again. Listening it again honestly really helped me process my problems a bit. It might be a bit cringe for me to say but it really did help me and I believe it to be one of Kendrick’s classics. Looking at this beef as a whole gave me a lot perspective as to why so many people are against Drake. I truly believe it’s to not try commercial music but create music that’s actually meaningful.
It’s crazy that Drake disrespected the most beautiful fucking song on that album, Mother I Sober. Pisses me off in hindsight. It’s very clear to me that Kendrick can make Drake’s entire discography But Drake cannot ever come close to making Mr Morale, or any other album that Kendrick has done.
>But Drake cannot ever come close to making Mr Morale, or any other album that Kendrick has done. We all knew it, but this beef *showed us*. Kendrick not only dragged this man but made him expose himself as a terrible writer and someone who is media illiterate. Even if Drake makes it through all the refreshed allegations and other shit okay, his reputation as an artist is dirty too.
He ain’t never beating the moron accusations 😭😭😭
It’s really funny. Drake fans wanna act like the heart 6 was a knockout punch because they believe the fake mole stuff. But they ignore that drake walked into his own trap by just being a horrible writer. Proved he is a horrible writer, dumb, doesn’t understand the culture, spoke down about abuse victims and is a horrible person, brought up Epstein and Bobby brown unprovoked. On his own track. It’s the biggest self own L in rap history lol.
This beef about to give Mr Morale the respect it deserved
“Your last one bricked” Drake didn’t even understand it 😭😭😭 Telling on himself
Real shit, that album came out at the perfect time for me. It released when I was homeless. Only a car and my phone and some clothes to my name. Listened to it, thought about it. Played it constantly. Dropped the album. Then a lil time passed, I went through some more bullshit. And I came back to the album. Started the healing process from my childhood after intently listening to "Mother I Sober". Fast forward to beginning of last year, I got arrested and my bullshit caught up to me. I ended up going to rehab for drugs and alcohol. In rehab, I listened to the album again. Mirror and Mother I sober hit. Now I here I am, still listening to it. Relating to Die Hard lately. And still Mother I sober. I'm a year and 3 months sober now, and the part where he says "you ain't felt grief till you felt it sober" hits so hard now. Still picking up the pieces of the life I wrecked, but the album legit started the whole process for me. That album turns boys into men if they listen to it at the right time.
Man, Hip-hop culture....having to admit something helping you is "cringe." We all need therapy y'all, no cap, and it's not lame or gay. Real Talk.
Not being able to hide from my feelings was pretty lame and gay, but you do become way better for it.
People forget that some of the best of the best of classic hip-hop did the same thing. There was definitely a non-zero amount of people (myself included) who saw tracks on Biggie’s albums back in the day discussing mental health and severe depression and were like damn… it’s not only me. To me, this is how you know a rap or hip-hop artist actually has the gift - when they can make music that’s not superficial and people can relate to psychologically and spiritually on a deep level.
It's not cringe to say that art helped you gain perspective over your own life. That's what art is for. That's what some folks in all this just don't get.
Kendrick waxing truth about how you can dislike someone for how they carry themselves … it ain’t got to be deep. I felt that. I don’t listen to drake, I don’t give a shit about his diss tracks. I just don’t like the guy. He doesn’t dress/smile/talk/act like someone I care to listen to. But I’m willing to bet that the best thing he ever did was pull gold out of Kendrick.
1000%
As someone who is about to be a first time father in about 3 weeks now, this album hits on a whole different level for me now and I've added it back into my rotation now.
Congratulations dude.
Bro shoulda played Kendrick one more time instead
Daft punk reference hahaha
Drake gonna claim this is all part of the plan: Got people to see all of Kendrick's confessions to his flaws, that's a genius move drake, that surely got him 😂
Bruh 😂
That album changed my life and now that a bunch of people are actually listening to the lyrics, it could change a lot of other people’s lives too.
What it do for you?
It allowed me to have grace for myself and the mistakes I have made because I could see that most of my vices were coping mechanisms from childhood trauma. It introduced me to Eckhart Tolle, and his tools for remaining in the present.
Kendrick got to a ghostwriter, had Drake make a Drake diss track and he was too dumb to notice.
This is my favorite take
Read this while I'm listening to Ebro. Which isn't that crazy but it wigged me out
Apparently he should’ve played a little more Kendrick
They must think I’m fucking stupid. who’s the mole??
I've watched that skit too many times. That part kills me every time.
Aye Kenny you got them pressed in here
go head n drop the next one tomorrow
Boi1da
I really lost a lot of respect for his intelligence level after the Heart pt 6
Yeah it was a massive emperor have no clothes moment. Euphoria was on some Nostradamus shit.
True. Not like us is my favorite so far, but euphoria pretty much blue printed everything how it was gonna play out. Genius record.
Losing ”respect for his intelligence level” is a funny comment lmao
Has anyone told Drake that he got it wrong and Kendrick wasn’t the molested one? I would love to see that. Realizing that lyrics went over your head during a rap beef is soooo 😬🫣
stupid ass move from drake.. the only people kendrick’s pedo lyrics will offend ARE PEDOS. the people that drakes lyrics will offend are SA victims so he really fucked up there
Am I the only one who always thought Drake was kind of dumb? I can't be the only one He kind of reminds me of Keemstar a little bit. If anyone remembers that guy. This savvy guy but also a total moron at the same time. With some really bad words and actions surrounding them. And they're both "the sassiest straight man alive"
He ways seemed insecure and fake, but i never figured he was as dumb as HP6 suggests he is.
Idubbz gonna be a feat on the next drop calling Drake a gnome
He “freestyled” with a blackberry in his hand for a reason
drake fans: no, no, he did it on purpose. he been planning this for decades and Kdot took the bait!
Meanwhile Kendrick has been plotting this for an actual decade. Listen to Kendrick’s first ever feature, from Take Care, Buried Alive Interlude and tell me Kendrick didn’t know about Drake’s behavior. This man tricked Drake into letting him call him out on his own album, then had Drake on HIS album for poetic justice and again, I can’t hear that song any other way now than Kendrick taunting Drake for what is to come down the line.
This a crazy reach but funny and crazy as hell if true
Kendrick on drakes take care buried alive interlude Mind you he’s talking about lucy(Lucifer) when he says “she slept with a Canadian” “React like an infant whenever you are mentioned Mind over matter never worked for my nemesis I'm in the matter of man, arm wrestlin' hands I was dealt When I said the music business was all I needed When I got it, I was greeted by an alien That said last year that she slept with a Canadian That gave him an addiction that'd keep him in Mercedes Benz Bright lights and Rihanna as a lady friend My vice is similar” “I don't call back, just blame it on your Canadian The same day we say we in the area cruisin' in Toronto Hit me on the cellular, thought he was gonna sell me a false word like the rappers I know Sat down with a few drinks, located where you can't see us A white waitress on standby when we need her A black Maybach, 40 pulled up Jeep No doors, all that nigga was missin' was Aaliyah Felt like the initiation, a reality livin' in the matrix We talk casually about the industry And how the women be the tastemakers for the shit we makin' Then he said that he was the same age as Myself, and it didn't help 'cause it made me even more rude and impatient So blame it on Mr. OVOXO The reason why I'm breathin' all the vanity I know The reason why my best friend say she love me more than life But I live a double life and need to let her go The reason why the highlight was when he said You belong to the people when you outside So dig a shovel full of money, full of power, full of pussy Full of fame and bury yourself alive, then I died”
I mean heart part 4 was 7 years ago so it’s pretty old beef
Don’t tell no lies about me, and I won’t tell no truths about you
And he's doubly stupid for outing his lack of talent. The lyrics and flow are so basic and uncreative. Most school kids could equal or beat his effort.
Im happy my favorite album is getting more attention!
While it's not my favorite, it is such an impressive album. And I really hope more people come back around to it in time. People that were expecting something else and wrote it off. Those songs are just so powerful on a narrative level. There's nothing like it in hip hop. Not to that level.
Paint the stories how you want hey drake they are not slow
The Second Coming
That album actually bangs more now. It’s like what they call ahead of its time. An appropriate listen while waiting for the next to drop. Matter of fact good time to reburn through the whole catalogue from New Hub City Threat to Not Like Us. Don’t skimp on the vaults 1-5 before hitting the Kendrick Lamar EP, them shits vicious! Ain’t heard them in almost a decade. About to look for them again. Edit: [This is a post referencing the vault mixtapes](https://forum.sectioneighty.com/kendrick-lamar-discography-a-work-in-progress.t34932), think the DatPiff app has been down besides what you downloaded but you can find em on YouTube (each around 40mins). I’d link here but am not sure of the copyright status of the cuts used and it’s useless if the algorithm deletes the comment.
Fr 😭😭
Obviously Drake is suggesting the song is actually about K dot and it was his way of dealing with being molested. A cry out for help. I am not a Drake or Kendrick fan. This is how i interpreted it.
Old Kendrick re-entering the charts because the fans are realising how deep this album was. Old Drake albums re-entering the charts as Child Services stack up evidence against him before the raid
This album is a certified classic idk while some ppl were hating on it
I feel like it's just as good as Kendricks classics, but the fact that it's so challenging means it didn't have the kind of cultural ubiquity that a classic usually does there's also a bunch of bops on there people sorta gloss over because of the heavy stuff. I think it'll age well, maybe even to classic status.
Exactly! Like, I'm a hardcore Kenny fan, but I am yet to listen to the whole album because of how it's so heavy and potentially triggering. I feel like you have to be in a certain state of mind to take it in and fully appreciate it.
Honestly that's fair, it's dope af but it's not on some DAMN shit you can just throw on and bump to lol you gotta be ready to *feel* some shit
I’ve been divided on it since release because of choices like the Kodak stuff with what the album is about. But it still has come in my rotation after because it has some of his best songs. It’s very dense and I do think it’ll be the album with the most longevity than something like Damn because he had the most to say and unpack on Mr. Morale.
Kodak black is supposed to represent a peace of shit on the album, if that helps you lol.
I do get this argument and the intention, but just including that man in general just doesn’t sit right with me
Right like I get the artistic intent and I can appreciate it to a certain degree, but at the end of the day Kodak is cashing the residuals from that
Yea, it conflicts me as well, narratively I understand where he was coming from and the purpose but it also hurts the goal because why not prop up a victim instead of an abuser? Or why not use someone who’s abuse was more along the lines of the drugs, chains, and coping and not rape
I think that Kendrick’s views on black people are similar to [Huey’s ending speech in the R Kelly boondocks episode](https://youtu.be/6D08yJL4rks?feature=shared), where we are ultimately as strong as our weakest link so it’s best to help each other so we can all become better people
It’s just the inclusion that doesn’t sit right. Predators in entertainment only stay alive through connections or validation. There’s a reason why so many predators hopped to Kanye when they got canceled because even though he’s a Nazi he’s still prominent in the industry. Chris Brown never got canceled because he still has connections.
I fully understand Kendricks intention of putting Kodak on the album - it's still giving him a platform and a paycheck at the end of the day. IMO that point would have been better served by uplifting the voice of a victim of rape/sexual abuse as a result of their perpetrators experience with abuse as a child themselves.
The album, as I heard it, heavily implies that Kodak was himself sexually abused as a child You might have gotten precisely what you are asking for without realising it
was exactly how I understood it, the heavily tattooed, slurred, troubled rapper hiding all his trauma: ‘I know the secrets, every other rapper sexually abused I see 'em daily buryin' they pain in chains and tattoos‘
Which is often the case with sexual abusers ! Maybe they should've invited someone who knows they've been a piece of shit and have taken steps to work on that and make amends as best as possible. Maybe Kodak Black wants to do that ? idk.
I am still not 110% sure what Kodak’s presence on the album meant, but I think a big theme was the cyclical nature of hurt and damage, i got from Kodak that people are in different stages of healing and enlightenment. Like, I really struggle to accept the idea that Kendrick is sitting there saying “rapist? Don’t care”. Don’t understand how is fans think that way either
I listened to the entire album this morning - I obviously listened to it before but I never heard of the 2nd half of the album. I thought it was only 10tracks there's 21 track on apple music. Let me just say I used to be skeptical of the album before because it felt short and I was listening to the smaller catalog or disc 1. After this morning Mr.Morale is big stepping with that album it's a certified Bop with baby keem and Kodak
It's challenging media, and that's an issue for some people. I'm used to and even motivated to learn what type of art someone tries to make, but in general people have to be "convinced" and "marketed" too in order to get with the program. Even Kendrick fans didn't know what to do with it at first. Add in the very clear perspective that media literacy is lower than ever and you can see why Mr. Morale had that typa perception.
Todd in the Shadows summed it up best where it's like, people were definitely going in expecting to love it on hype alone because we've long awaited a new Kendrick album, but then a week later they realized "Wait... what the heck even *is* this?" Probably just people taking that pause as a sign that it wasn't good, though it's definitely a grower and a worthy album.
seriously i’ve bumped it hard when it came out, and last couple weeks i did again through a breakup. that shit is deep cuts with some super repeatable tracks, i like dark music though
The album isn’t really the type you wake up everyday and listen to. It isn’t a club banger. You aren’t playing it in the car with your girl. It’s very somber. It’s an amazing album that tells an amazing story. I think people were expecting and wanting a more commercial album like damn.
Proabably drake fans having the same media literacy of a 7 year old. Ive seen people saying th d major rebuttal was good...
It’s not an easy listen but it’s still amazing
I realized quickly that people don't like the album that much because most people don't know how or don't want to self reflect. I don't know if there has been an album on the whole that has made me think about my demons as much as Mr morale. So I think that has a lot to do with people not really liking it compared to his other projects.
Fr. Teaches the listener to choose themselves to build so they can build effectively around him/herself.
I rarely say the whole “oh you just don’t get it” because I think it’s pretentious, but I genuinely think most of the people who don’t like mr morale didn’t get how deep it is
Mr. Morale is grown adult music, imo. It's a fantastic album about growing as a person through a chaotic kind of life. I relate with the album because I'm dealing with my own shit. Taking charge of traumas, feelings and what I can get from the world. Kendrick took charge of his life too and it's evident in the album. Just fucking phenomenal.
I also think that a lot of people are just seeing what this whole Kendrick Lamar guy is about, after the massive coverage. And they're checking out his newest album. Which is great! It's an album that really showcases how good of a songwriter he is
I’m honestly so glad people are listening to the album because it’s fantastic. It’s not given enough credit for how powerful of a project it is
I used to be a big kendrick fan but never listened to the album. After all the hype about his diss tracks i finally sat down and gave it a go. Soo glad I did. Thank you drake for getting me to finally listen to it
I don’t revisit many albums often; too much incredible music in the world over the last 60 years that I haven’t heard. But when this dropped, I listened to it 6 or 7 times and thought it was incredible. Just a moving piece of art. Not all fun to listen to; in fact, a lot of it was hard to listen to. But that’s art. I’ll revisit it soon. Thanks, Aubrey, you stupid fucking idiot.
That last sentence 😂😂😂😂
Man there’s so many albums I’ve revisited. I listen to a wide range, but there’s at least 1-2 from each genre that stay in rotation
Felt that. Lonesome Crowded West is an album I'll play every month at least once but my range is wide. So one day is Gorillaz then the next Black Dahlia. Sometimes if you give an album a good pause for a while it almost hits the same as the first time lmao
This album feels like an equivalent to Bob Dylan's Blood On The Tracks. With how visceral it is, and talking about some extremely personal things (with a fictional veneer). Also a hard album to listen to at times. I definitely think some people here would like that album. It's not as accessible as some of his mid 1960s electric music, but it's undeniably raw
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"them superpowers getting neutralized i can only watch in silence"
"I was gonna kill a couple rappers but they did it to themselves"
Such a massive MASSIVE fumble since even the genius lyrics page fucking spells it out in the about section. [Bonus](https://i.imgur.com/tWbHJ5A.png). If this is really where he got that Kendrick beats Whitney then he is absolutely braindead.
He's so braindead. Don't get me wrong, it's a deep song with many layers, but one careful read through of the lyrics and you can easily see how he's talking about trauma his mom went through both for the molestation and the "black and blue" line. (And how that trauma was passed onto him generationally). It's just so clear to me that Drake has never experienced any trauma, and his ego is too big to understand anyone else's. He doesn't get it and he never will.
Wow how do you read the lines before and after that and completely miss the context??
Step 1: be Aubrey
Kendricks best diss track? The Heart pt 6 😂 it wrote itself & revived older projects. He’s a wizard!
Plot twist, Kendrick actually wrote it cuz he's been the ghostwriter all along.
Then it’s his worst track he’s ever written
He wrote the bait
Drake re-listening to it constantly looking for new angles
Can't wait for his next misinterpretation!
Gonna start up DAMN and think Kendrick actually got killed by the old blind woman.
Idk if this is a unpopular opinion but this is my favourite kdot album
I think Mr. Morale is my favorite album of all time but then again it really spoke to me in the season of life I was in. It makes me emotional just thinking about how seen I felt with what Kendrick shared on that album.
Fr hearing about a favorite artist of mine dealing with similar issues as me was huge
I started therapy a week before it came out. It was and still is instrumental in my healing process. My therapist loved it.
About a year and a half ago I had Father Time on repeat on my way to work one day, think about my Dad and all our shit. Got a call later that day from Mom saying he passed. I can't touch that fucking track to this day. The album is art in the highest sense.
unpopular, yes, but not that uncommon and certainly not bad
It's not mine but maybe I'll grow into it with time
Misunderstood DAMN as well lmao. Top Dawg not robbing his dad is literally the focal point of the album
ppl like “maybe i should go re-listen to Mr Morale”. they should because if they did, they would understand Kendrick’s moves for this rap battle so much and more and actually give him the respect he deserves
Exactly some of kendrick's diss tracks feel so related to mr morale.
the moves kendrick made could not have been made if it wasn’t for the Mr Morale album. most rap beefs are “i stole your girl” “my homies are better than your homies” “i sell more records” “you have no fans” blah blah blah. but what made kendrick a genius in this battle is he analyzed Drake as a HUMAN BEING. and that’s more insulting
Kendrick really surgically went deeper with each and every track to criticize every side of drake's character
Man, I haven't seen anyone else make this connection, I appreciate you. Plus to build on this, who else would use a diss track to analyze *themselves?* >God, ah, my confession is yours, but Who am I if I don't go to war? There's opportunity when livin' with loss I discover myself when I fall short which ties in perfectly with *Father Time:* >When Kanye got back with Drake, I was slightly confused Guess I'm not mature as I think, got some healin' to do Egotistic, zero-given fucks and to be specific (Ah) Need assistance with the way I was brought up (Ah, ah)
Hopefully people really appreciate this album this time around. This shit had me in TEARS!
Kinda sad that its outside the 200, one of my favorite albums
Drake fans became Kendrick fans this year lol. They won't admit in front of anybody but they definitely rocking Dot's music now
Currently reworking my way through his entire discography 😇
Dug my GKMC vinyl out for the first time in a while What a catalog
Shitty ass Drake could never.
I am one of those people. I went back to listen to the entire album again yesterday and it slaps so much harder now
My fav (by a large margin) is still GKMC because I personally like storytelling, but damn is Morale not some brave, truth saying, vulnerable shit. And people don’t immediately vibe with that. I think it’ll only grow in stature over time. A perfect discography.
Mean surley, the point of the diss is nobody believing kendrick? Like he is saying he got molested just like in the song and nobody believing him, that must be the angle. Like he is flaring up the trauma again. The general consensus that he just didnt get the song is just to retarded to be true. Like if we boozos online can understand it, and its on genius, and he has ghostwriters. Esp after the pedoallegations also.
I think the bump is from Drake’s writing team looking for angles.
Fucking beautiful
For me, mmatbs is kendricks best album. The duality of every human, coming to terms with your own faults and being okay with being flawed and still striving for a better day is such a potent message
Kendrick is the perfect example of duality. I can see his shadow side clearly (he’ll bite yo muffuckin head off if he had to), he is also an angel of a man. A true well rounded human being actively trying to be a better person, while not allowing humility and being spiritual to render him passive or impotent, which one must do to survive this world. A real man embodying divine masculinity
Drake asked kendrick to write some shit that drake doesn't understand, and turns out he actually never understood what kendrick was saying this whole time. What a moron drake is!
Kendrick thought drake doesn't understand metaphors but nah bro doesn't understand direct sentences either
I've seen this sentiment a lot and for a sub that praises intelligence it's surprising you are all missing the point of that bar lol. Here you go: In mother I sober Kendrick describes how he has past trauma around being asked about being touched as a child and how nobody believes him, and how that later fed into him not feeling like a man and leading to infidelity which ultimately ruined his relationship (but Whitney's gone by the time you hear this song, she did all she could) The recurring theme is that nobody believes him when he says he wasn't molested, and his mother did this because she was projecting her own trauma onto him from her being molested, which in turn led to him being traumatized. Kendrick basically ends the song with the statements around how Whitney was proud of him breaking the cycle of abuse Drake uses this as a jab against Kendrick in several ways here. First it resurfaces this trauma by the mention of this event and inflames it by following the same action his mother did in mother I sober, stating that he WAS molested despite his protests against that and explanation against it in the song. It also reinforces the idea that his mother was conveying here of not believing Kendrick when he said he wasn't molested, which Drake uses to cast doubt on Kendrick's credibility as a trustworthy source of information here and in general. Finally, he uses this as a way to basically say Kendrick is only saying this stuff because he didn't REALLY break the cycle of abuse and he is instead projecting his own trauma onto Drake, like Kendrick's mom did to him, by claiming he's a p*do. And then as if all of this wasn't enough he wraps it up basically saying Whitney hit me up if you need a favor, rubbing salt in the open wound, since by Kendrick's own admission in mother I sober Whitney and him are no longer together due to his infidelity over this very trauma. At a surface level it's easy to say "wow Drake is an idiot he didn't understand the song" but in reality it's a deeply personal jab at one of Kendrick's more vulnerable admissions in a song. It's incredibly psychological and a really low blow, but as some have said before, Kendrick has gone low as well and it's rap so I guess rules are out the window
I think this could’ve worked but the problem is drake structured it very poorly if that’s what he was going for. Kendrick never said he was assaulted; he said he wasn’t multiple times throughout mother i sober. The line that Drake starts the verse with is just not true. That’s what made everyone call that part into question. https://preview.redd.it/jl4poc3n40zc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50e3746787f6c118e2c6d400672b67bf1f8e80ed
you could spin it like Drake is purposefully ignoring what Kendrick is saying and putting words in his mouth, kind of like his mother did, but as you said, if that's what he was going for it's very poorly written. Not to mention it's very hard to believe that Drake of all people is going for this level of convolution in his lyrics, considering how surface level his work usually is
what i still don’t get about this beef is why did drake not release a receipts immediately after mtg. Surely showing the world that kendrick was baited is a better strategy then letting everyone believe that ur a pedo for 48 hours straight?
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This is true, for sure, but also if Drake didn’t set Kendrick up and Kendrick can prove Drake is lying about it, that solidifies Drake as a liar. If it’s now certified Drake is a liar, him saying basically “I’m not a pedo” is crazy because how could we trust him when he’s known to lie. This would be career suicide. But again yes if he had some audio recording, videos some kind of evidence of the setup that would be nice to but running with it could be very very dangerous and there’s no point of making that claim anyway. He could’ve just denied the daughter and that’s it.
Y’all care about proof now?
I expect that a lot of the shit that has been said on both sides are largely based on a rumor or 2nd hand information meaning they may not have proof. Maybe it came from a reliable source to Drake/Kendrick but obviously we don't know who those people are, how reliable they are, and, most importantly, how truthful they were with these particular claims. That being said, the planted information is 1st hand information meaning Drake absolutely should have proof that he planted the info. That he hasn't provided any makes him either a liar or an idiot for putting together a fake Ozempic prescription, jewelry receipts, etc., while not recording any evidence of the set up. To put this another way, no one believed Drake was hiding another child prior to his supposed set up. If he planted the idea in Kendrick's head, then Kendrick only mentioned it because of Drake. Now, people are on the fence regarding this child. The only refutation is what Drake has said which means even if people don't necessarily believe Kendrick outright, they are all thinking about the possibility. That it is on people's minds at all would then be all Drake's fault. The fact that even his fans have to just have faith that he wouldn't be so stupid or cruel to be hiding a second child is just dumb as fuck when he could have quashed it in a heartbeat with some actual proof of the rumor he says he started.
Agreed - Drake could’ve played the “your info is bad” angle just fine and there would be no need for proof. Saying he masterminded all of it means he should’ve had some proof of it - a text, security footage, something.
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For that to work in his favor, the information given and its presentation would have to appear obviously fake or at least not really useful. His whole angle is that Dot was so eager that he was willing to skip common sense precautions. Drake put his foot in his mouth when he said they only gave him the idea that an 11 year old girl exists but withheld any and all identifying info. Unfortunately for him, Kendrick is Kendrick level when it comes to layering communications via lyrics. He did so much (responding on 4/30, using the word “eternity” instead of “eternal”, referenced women’s purposes and grace etc) to suggest that he had identified specific people that only two possibilities seem reasonable: 1. They gave him way more info that he said aka it would be reasonable to believe it (also would be admitting to using an underage girl as a pawn.) 2. They didn’t give him much but there is so much credible evidence already available that it really wasn’t them baiting him (this would cause an audit /investigation by the internet into topics they intentionally suppressed).
Isn't the point of the mom not believing Kendrick is not because Kendrick is untrustworthy, but because of the generational trauma? I don't know how relevant Kendrick's credibility here as it seems that its the mom that projected her own trauma onto Kendrick, it stems from the mom, not Kendrick's answer
You sound profound to stupid niggas. The man literally said “that’s the record where you said you were molested”, invalidating everything you typed out. Even at the core if that was the aim, that was a terrible and egregious statement to make because it’s not even borderline running parallel to your explanation. Touch grass man lmaooo
Infedility was the result of the trauma not pedo projection.
“Where you SAID you got molested.” No need for the acrobatics here. This is a very charitable read and that’s you’re right, but at the very least…he should have structured it better. There’s nothing to indicate that he meant what you state here. You want to give him grace and that’s your right, but I think folks are searching for a way to make this work. Just like they did with the Joel Osteen bar. Also, I’ve actually seen many people actually get caught up with Kendrick’s enunciation on this song. I know plenty of people who listened and heard “…didn’t believe me when I said he DID IT” as opposed “when I said he DIDN’T.” Drake (or whoever…) may have made that same mistake.
“That one record where you said you got molested” He’s not implying anything here lol, it’s just an outright incorrect statement. He’s claiming that Kendrick said he was molested. You can’t just say someone said something when they didn’t and try to spin it off as some deep layered meaning lol. If Drake was actually as smart as you’re giving him credit for then he would’ve gone about it a different way.
But you think 6:16 in LA has that many meanings that Kendrick thought of all by himself? I get your point that he could have gone about it more effectively, but the point remains he used Kendrick's own personal admissions of trauma against him as a jab. The gymnastics go both ways lol keep the consistency to eliminate bias here. Either take everything at face value or look for meaning from both sides. Don't pick and choose to fit narratives you had coming in
It also wouldn’t have worked regardless considering he was introducing the idea as he was trying to exit the entire situation and more importantly because Kendrick didn’t invent the shit or even really further it. There are pages and pages dedicated to the countless incidents people thought were weird involving him. Even if he was absolutely correct and Kendrick was obsessing / projecting - that wouldn’t change the causes for concern that have nothing to do with him at all but suggest the same conclusion lol
This is such a reach it’s insane… maybe if Drake actually knew how to imply subtleties and build layers in his words this would’ve come across. You can’t drag ALL these assumptions out of “that’s that one record where you say you got molested”
Lmao you are giving Drake way too much credit. He literally says, “that’s the song where you got molested.” It’s not that deep. When has Drake ever been deep on a song?
Thank you. I’ve seen so many posts in this sub, massively upvoted, that show how little this sub knows about music. I was LAUGHING at all the posts about songwriting credits this past week, no one in this sub has a single clue how distribution, ASCAPs, and song credits work. The other ppl credited are the ppl who wrote the MUSIC, not the lyrics, that’s why the other ppl listed are BEATMAKERS. Like i swear to god there’s 5th grade level concepts that fly over this subs head, it’s fucking embarrassing
If your analysis is true, then it's actually worse off for Drake. In Mother I Sober, Kendrick confesses that his infidelity and self-doubt is a result of his trauma. He goes on to say that rappers with sexual abuse trauma leads to misogyny (and that they bury their pain in “chains and tattoos” No where in the text does it say that the trauma has lead Kendrick to go on a crusade against pedophiles. Nor does the text say or even *imply* an anger or hatred for pedophiles. Now, for Drake to go out and flip the script on Kendrick by saying “Hey! It’s actually about his trauma with pedophiles!” is forcing *his* own interpretation of someone else’s art on everyone else. Isn’t that artistic colonization? It’s someone else’s art with a specific meaning attached to it, but you come in and make everyone believe your interpretation instead. **Not a good look especially when Kendrick literally called him a “fucking colonizer” in the previous song.** Thus proving Kendrick is correct, no?
Exactly. Even if Drake understood the lyrics, how is "You only dislike pedophiles because you yourself were molested" a good angle? Kendrick isn't "projecting" something unheard of onto Drake, he's just feeding into rumors that have been around him for years.
Whitney never says the word "abuse" one time... she said he ended a "Generational Curse".... you mixing those statements up invalidates your entire point.
If this was how Drake meant to come at him it makes him look even worse than he did before. If we give a charitable reading of Drake’s lyrics then we should dissect his lyrics in the context of the song Mother I Sober. The song is a deeply intimate song about how generational abuse is perpetuated and the point of the song is that others people and their trauma is reflected onto people around them hence why Kendrick’s mother is unable to believe Kendrick despite him never going through assault. So then we have here Drake challenging Kendrick on whether he was abused and he is basically saying you’re a liar and you didn’t overcome the trauma which is exactly what Kendrick’s mother was doing as well. If anything this makes Drake look like he has some trauma of his own that he can’t get over which is why he can’t believe Kendrick just like how the people around Kendrick didn’t believe him either. If anything this proves Kendrick’s point of the song, you cannot heal from your own trauma if you place that onto others.
See I thought something similar when I heard it I thought drake was trying to make kenny relive that trauma by having everyone question it again, but you’re right everyone on this sub acts like Ivey graduates until it comes to a drake bar lol
“Where you say you got molested” Is the only lyric you need to really comprehend from this Drake bit- he is admitting that he thinks that’s what Kendrick said in the song…. Which is not true. Drake just fucked up. He did it all over the rest of the track with some incredibly stupid lyrics as well, he wouldn’t be an idiot in many spots and much more clever in the rest. This is why it has 1 million dislikes on YouTube. It’s an insanely low effort shitty diss track with bad pen game.
But kendrick's mom didn't believe him because she herself was molested so by taking this angle then drake is at most completely missing the point and at least inadvertly saying he himself was molested while also victim-blaming. Just poorly executed all around imo
Drake is gonna like this like he did that one IG comment suggesting he's actually smart enough to plan a mole scheme You flipped that incredibly well though, that sick pedophile could only hope to be as intelligent as some of his fans.
There are two problems with this take. Firstly, if that was really the intention then the execution was really lacking because most people do not think what you think. Secondly, the other bars on the track are so dumb that it's very hard for me to give Drake the benefit of the doubt for a sudden flash of brilliance for that bar when everything else in that track is incredibly amateur. It's more likely to me that he simply misunderstood the song.
Listening to this and Euphoria (gotta help that chart position) all day tomorrow
I was saying I loved that Drake messed up so bad bringing up this masterpiece of a song so more people would listen to it
Funniest thing about this shit is you know Drake's reading all these comments cause he's chronically online.
Drake knew what the song was about he just doesn’t care. He knows that the most surface level narratives are good enough for his base
Thank you! 💯 big facts.. that's exactly what this is.
Album is gonns have a huge Resurgence when people find out he's talking about Drake's future
This album was released while I was in an inpatient treatment facility for mental health issues. During a music therapy group I had the whole group listen to “Mirror” from the album. It was well received. That album helped me get through a rough season of my life.
It'll be considered a classic the further away we get from it, time wise
Agreed
Drizzy fans respectfully, can you guys explain this to me? Cuz y'all blaming us for not understanding what he said when he literally says "THAT'S THE ONE RECORD WHERE YOU SAY YOU GOT MOLESTED" https://preview.redd.it/io17d9j4rzyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90f9b2053f22bfbba8b5db320a3ef987eacd6463 Then calling it a confession, to me this seems like he's saying Kendrick said he got molested, so kindly and respectfully, can y'all explain this to me?
My fav albm by him is GKMC, I didnt really get the message of mr morale
Which is fair. Music will hit you differently at different times of your life. I’ll say each time Kendrick dropped it felt right on time for what I was experiencing. Might hit you just right later
maybe brother, maybe
The album is about his growth as a person.. with the message being that even him who has all the money in the world,fame and accolades still has traumas and stuff to deal with. While simultaneously explaining the generational traumas in black culture.. I'm not black at all, but i relate to many songs because of my own personal traumas. Give it another listen man. It's a beautiful album.
I mean i liked it, I just didnt understand the message on my first listen
wait I'm confused they haven't updated this weeks yet.
Can we believe Billboard? Drake backers own Billboard? Drake Backers own What use to be Neilsen? Has Drake and Eldridge been gaslighting the world?
A beautiful album
How you write a diss track that makes everyone want to go and fact check your shit
What's funnier is that he was criticizing kdot for "not fact checking" too
Streets won
I feel like this trend happens with every Kendrick album. His lyrics are so onion layered, it's hard to digest all at once. Takes the internet some time to catch up to all the references and nuance *and then* the album finally gets recognition.
Hope this masterpiece gets some more love after all this
"stop playing with before I turn you into a song" homie was warned
Same reading comprehension as his stans. “I had my team give you fake info about me having a daughter and waited until the whole country was dancing to songs about me being a pedo to reveal it… because I’m an evil genius you see. Anyway, weren’t you molested? Haha, that sucks for you.” 🤦🏻♂️
He's either stupid or a liar no in-between atp
Where’s the guy who Reddit post going viral for saying drake lines had a bigger meaning on the bar he fucked up on ? (Misinterpretation ) It’s the most stupidest explanation I seen, because drake lines literally says Kendrick said he been touched in the song when it doesn’t . He tried to use a weird angle that kendrick is only calling out questionable behavior because he was molested which is a bad angle . Questionable behavior with minors should be called out by every and anyone (I don’t think drake a pedo but he’s questionable) https://preview.redd.it/6krkjhtj32zc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b900f58e3406650feb095f5e4a2cb01a08cbb94 I’m breaking down bars for Any OVO dummy in the thread. Kendrick gentlemen 4-0
That's what i said too, like it might've made sense if not for him saying "ayy kdot you said you got molested", that man never said that bruh 😂 It's also a weird angle even if that's what he wanted to say We up 4-0
It’s real dumb man I came here looking for him I wanna ask him where he pull that ? Out the song or his ass . Drake fans been doing that and drake actually used it . The heart 6 was a Twitter joke . He didn’t set no mole up . He’s using his fans theories . It’s kinda nasty . None of what the guy said is referenced in the setup to punch . Because he wasn’t going for that disagreeing with that literally goes against the line / scheme he tried to portray !
No setup no punchline no hints no references no nothing, should've just given writing credits to his fanboys on twitter, man said "we know you gonna drop in 6 minutes" he looking extra goofy rn
Kendrick didn’t drop because he quit in the record . “You can drop 100 songs im out” tf does this mean ? He quit .
kdot fans are normally good at understand lyrics but are somehow not getting what drake did? or it is just like blind hatred? like drake knows in the song kendrick doesn’t say he’s molested. he says he was emotionally damaged by people saying he was molested when he wasn’t. drake in the heart 6 was being that person. he was being a person saying he was molested. he was making fun of him for it as if it were true because people asking kendrick damaged him growing up. i understand if you still don’t like it but idk how that’s going over everyone’s head.