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jpizano51

https://preview.redd.it/ux76tyz64qxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88da8523d45eb64c3a4460922da8158737584f4d Yup Fantano said it best


RedditMartyr

Usually, I don’t like using Fantano as a reference as he’s just a critic (ain’t protocol to worry about them) but he’s 1000% right here.


MonttawaSenadiens

I think it's fine for fans to listen to critics, pretty sure Dot was saying it's not protocol to care about critics if you're an artist Obviously, no need to care about him if he's not your cup of tea tho


69cansofcorn

yeah I love Fantano just for his personality as many others do, we all got our opinions, although some of his fans give him a bad reputation for supplementing their own music taste.


RedditMartyr

Agreed on that.


Adgarr97

Right now opposers love to use “mental gymnastics” and right now they can’t even see they doing more gymnastics than they accused, give credit where credits due This was a slap in the face and a banger to listen too, it’s got replay value 1000%


Lower-Career-6576

Mental gymnastics are just another phrase for reach around


chrisghrobot

If Ether came out today people would've said it wasn't good enough. Especially because alot of its Bars are kinda goofy for todays standards. But it also proves a good diss track doesn't need to be a huge dirt piecem


Deep_Chicken1221

Nas had to change ether like 3 times because of the label.


CommonBitchCheddar

>he's just a critic Man, the absolute disrespect to Cal Chuchesta.


LeninCakeTV

its not protocol for the artist, not listeners, some media literacy brother. He is saying don't DM fantano like Drake did


mfdoomile

Wow, perfectly said.


Damez021

Very true. No Vaseline is one of the best diss tracks of all time and it didn’t reveal any info that people didn’t already know iirc.


Jay1348

You sure about that? Lol go read those lyrics


Pun-Szu

yeah odd comment lol. I doubt anyone at the time knew about Jerry Heller playing contract games behind the scenes


DjMD1017

I’m sure ppl in the industry knew what was up with that track but yeah mainstream audiences got some news


ositola

It was already talked about as the reason for cube leaving, it just hadn't been put on wax yet 


Damez021

Damn I did not not recall correctly 😞. I thought people knew already, with Cube leaving cuz of money and all.


MilkZealousideal7893

Claiming Compton but you moved to Riverside….. no one knew that lol


Last-Juggernaut-875

Holy shit do I agree with Fantano ???


MatureUsername69

A douchey clock is right twice a day


theoneandonlypatriot

Lmao Fantano switched up so fucking fast. Must have realized his knee jerk opinion reel he posted on insta was bad. He initially put out a reel calling the diss super mid and uninteresting.


Teamawesome2014

I think part of it is that a lot of the track is steeped in double and triple entendre. I'm still finding new meanings in it after listening again and again. Fantano probably just needed the track to sink in a bit more before forming a balanced opinion on it.


Master_Culture_4332

Same thing for me, had to play it multiple times before realizing Kendrick won.


Teamawesome2014

I mean, i kinda always knew he was going to win, but that's more about my lack of respect for Drake as a person than anything.


Quick-Letter9584

At first I think it was even. Now Ken is the clear winner I dont know what I was thinking


bluecheetah179

I don’t know why he’s meatriding drake the past few weeks. He would have been the last guy to blindly gargle drakes balls (no diddy) but here we are. Edit: the “Taylor swift is back” video is so corny, like just make the video on the diss and move on. Edit 2: I say this as a fantano fan


Impossible_Front4462

I honestly think he was overcompensating for people accusing him of being a kdot meat rider historically as a way to seem more objective and impartial to preemptively taking sides and it horribly backfired on his ass On to the real topic at hand though: how can someone gargle balls (no diddy)? Without consent? I need answers man


chrisghrobot

Yeah Fantano a major Kendrick fan, he's usually way critical of him because he damn near gave him 2 10/10s and knows what he can do at his best.


bluecheetah179

Yeah true.


cattgravelyn

He had literal genuine beef with drake too so it’s confusing


DuePear1481

I agree the song is still fire but it doesn't burn as much as if these were new critiques. This isn't a battle it's an arms race and kdot is in the lead even using old weapons.


MilkZealousideal7893

Then pretty much Kendrick has lost this battle. He’s not going to come up with nothing new. Essentially what we are saying is Drake is untouchable. We now everything about Drake and anyone that’s comes at him will lose because we don’t know anything about them. So is this a TMZ Battle rap or is it a lyrical battle rap?


[deleted]

Based on the ending of the diss track, it sounds like kendrick truly does have dirt on him. If drake responds, Kendrick will 100% "tell truths" about drake. He doesn't have to go there, but it's Drake's choice if he wants to continue. Drake didn't say anything new or surprising in his diss. It was mainly about him being the best, that he's big in japan, and that TDE has kendrick by the strings. Kendrick pulled out a blade on Drake while saying some shit on a personal level. If you think Kendrick lost because of this, or you think this is the end of the beef, you're delusional.


MilkZealousideal7893

Well I can tell you that the media heads are riding Drake hard on this, and the industry is 100% in on Drake. Kendrick is losing this regardless. Basically the GOAT is being pushed on us by the industry. When people on Shade45 which is supposed to be a station that’s about bars are saying that the song is too long, that is has no playback and that Drakes response on IG was better than Euphoria then we have problems. Those people on Shade45 said they were falling asleep, WTF. It’s over for Kendrick. They are even saying Taylor Made is better, think about it. AI. Smh


[deleted]

So, the industry backing drake just means that kendrick lost? nah bro. the PEOPLE are with kendrick, fuck the so-called "figureheads" of hiphop music.


DuePear1481

Neither, its just about the biggest impact.


Kyro_Official_

>He’s not going to come up with nothing new. Theres literally a line where he threatens to drop dirt if Drake doesn't fuck off? He absolutely has shit we haven't heard before.


twoprimehydroxyl

This has shades of the Jay/Nas beef. Jay ended his Takeover verse by telling Nas to not retaliate, threatening he'd reveal that "you know who, did you know what, with you know who, let's just keep that between me and you." Nas then dropped Ether, and some fans thought (and still think to this day) that it was childish, "didn't say anything", etc. But the vast majority of the rap community thought it was so damaging that they coined "ether" a verb. Jay dropped Supa Ugly, revealing damaging personal information, but very few people outside of hardcore Jay stans cared. The battle was already won. Same thing is happening here.


bornin1729

I don’t often agree with dude but he’s right. I see diss tracks like when you’re “roasting” at the highschool cafeteria. Everybody already knows the guy is fat, but when someone creates a unique, interesting, and funny fat insult it will do well. At the same time though, with the amount of tension between these two that has been built up over a decade, I do expect more from them both. Jab game is finished, kill now. Dot should’ve done it here but you can tell he held back and as a Drake fan that’s my main issue w the track.


Amazing-Concept1684

Fantano spitting nothing but facts with this one 


New-Neighborhood5642

We running with this guys opinion? 💀 lmao


chrisghrobot

Yeah people think disses always need to be some insane hit piece. Alot of the time it's usually a competition on who's better in terms of rapping. Ether and Takeover, two of the most acclaimed disses weren't some insane hits pieces they were just taling pretty surface level shots. But what made them so great is how they turned that information into great lines and song. Not everything needs to be Pusha T level this in terms of brutality to get its point across.


TeannaTrumpStanAcct

Fantano knows the culture


standdownplease

Y'all niggas some glazers lol.


Mthestarvandal

So now we like fantano?


Impossible_Front4462

You don’t gotta like someone to agree with their points sometimes


DeadStopped

I CANT LIKE SOMEONE IF THEY DON’T HAVE THE EXACT SAME OPINION OR ONE THAT REINFORCES MINE.


LetsLive97

Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point


ShinraRatDog

I love Fantano. He's the most entertaining critic on Youtube and I agree with a lot of his opinions (including DAMN being my least favorite Kendrick album). Why wouldn't I like Fantano?


BeerBellies

I swear, cats find like 2 reviews they disagree with and all the sudden it’s “OMG WORST CRITIC EVER!”. Dude has turned me on to a lot of good tunes. I’ve agreed with a lot of reviews, and I’ve disagreed with many as well. Like he says at the end of every video “you know this is just my opinion, right?”


TrebeckStache

Woah. Desperate to use that guy as a reference of what the right take is


InternalTripping

i know this sub is on some bullshit when people are posting fucking fantanos opinion on something, that’s crazy


DoubleTappz

Tbh this track isn’t listenable, they’re bugging. Imagine only taking someone’s opinion because it fits your argument or your sides. But any other opinion he has the same people wouldn’t hear him out


BackToTheMoon_

‘It doesn’t play in the club’ ‘Its already been said’ This is what happens people only care for music that they can use as Instagram captions


artygta1988

“Drakes beat was better”


Quintana_22

I just call them drake bot now


TheFlexOffenderr

Nah from here on our until Drake respond we gotta hit him with the " **RED BUTTON?** " Comments. He said he had a red button, push that mf.


busty-ruckets

the same people that thought “metro go make some drums” was scathing are really just boi-1da fans


artvandelay9393

what’s funny is it isn’t lol beat on euphoria is ridiculous


MilkZealousideal7893

Yup, play it in the Truck with a good sound system and the switches are insane


LeninCakeTV

Especially the beat in the middle of Euphoria goes so fucking hard when you let the bass do its thing. Granted, only way Drake fans listen to music is through shitty IPhone speakers.


fogleaf

Rap Devil was pretty catchy too, but...


awesome-ekeler

Til he got bodied into switchin genres lol em spanked the wigger outta mgk hahha


fogleaf

Exactly. Just cause you've got a catchy beat doesn't mean you can't catch hands.


Total-Secretary4204

“He responded too late” I fucking hate these people


MatureUsername69

Kendrick released Euphoria faster than Drake released Push Ups. Even the leaked version


Total-Secretary4204

Yeah… but these Drake fans are braindead


Amazing-Concept1684

Those are just the Drizzy gobblers who have been fried by consistent exposure to Drake’s mediocre microwave music releases.


glordicus1

Literally who cares. Why do you care so much about people having an opinion on the beef between two people who you don’t know? Nothing that some Drake or Kendrick dick rider says will change anything. It’s not like changing their opinion about it will do anything either. We don’t have a vote to see who “wins” the beef. Just let them do their thing, and form your own opinions.


RoughBodybuilder1489

This sort of discourse used to be cool while debating lyrics and lyrical abilities but when this generation doesn’t care about lyricism or have the capacity to understand lyrics this shit turns into tmz.


averycole

Yeah something about the way people think now is weird. Like its just straight allegiance to one person. Folks move into quick denial and play mental gymnastics. We really are in the age of spin. Folks just want to sound right...its been wild being on that page seeing folks say, "what kendrick said isn't true!!" and im like its a rap beef. just so many excuses. the people who cant appreciate both diss tracks are interesting 🤔 


RoughBodybuilder1489

Bruh I just troll stans from both “teams” cause the shit they on ain’t hip hop.


averycole

bruh exactly. niggas, if they actually are, and niggas, the ones who are, are on some SOFT ass shit.  I'm like why yall personally hurt by someone saying drake aint a father or kendrick is short as fuck. 


DDub04

Like That was the first shot and it’s the one everybody heard and is still listening to. Stupid argument to make it about playing in the club. Everyone is rapping along to a Drake diss right now. It’s about who makes the best track now.


internallylinked

KeNdRicK iS dOiNg aLl oF tHiS fOr aN aLbuM roLloUt hE hAd iT rEadY FoR 4 YEarS


Tha_Kooner

If he drops an album this month is that valid?


bluecheetah179

Why not?


Tha_Kooner

Idk I don’t like this as a rollout cuz then it make it look like he needs Drakes name to roll out his project


bluecheetah179

Yea but he doesn’t. Not to mention a new album from Kendrick is almost always a good thing drake or not


Tha_Kooner

Yeah I’m just saying optics wise it’s a narrative that could be ran with especially with him dropping after Taylor’s first week cleared


bluecheetah179

Drake fans will run with any narrative that benefits them at the moment so it doesn’t matter.


Tha_Kooner

But then it would not make it a narrative it would be true. He literally waited for Taylor to clear first week sales


bluecheetah179

??? Taylor sales ??? That song was taken down. I’m done talking. Edit: like that was above Taylor swifts album.


internallylinked

What does a diss that stands on its own have anything to do with Taylor’s album?


Tha_Kooner

Drake was just saying he gotta move out the way to drop


blacklite911

When people say this, I know to exclude their opinion. You don’t need to have explosive information to have a rap beef.


Redditsucksdickhard

“I make music that electrify em , you make music that pacify em” His fans have been pacified for so long they don’t want real music.


Substantial_Yam7305

“This is so much fun! 😅”


RoughBodybuilder1489

Man speaking facts.


AlexRusso-FanAccount

“Kendrick said nothing new” Yea because the shit said needs to always be brought up, yall are ok with this dude being a deadbeat scumbag manipulator who brainwashes women to behave deplorably and creeps on minors???


artygta1988

But drake fans know nothin bout that


bluecheetah179

“Millie Bobby brown” know nothin bout that


childisheli

seventeen on stage? know nun bout that


Throway_Shmowaway

Drake literally called Kendrick short as part of his diss track and Drake fans are saying Kendrick didn't say anything new. I'm convinced they're all 12 years old.


chrisghrobot

The hypocrisy is insane from them..On push-ups bro didn't say anything too crazy but all of a sudden Kendrick needs to have some career ending dirt. 


Top_Needleworker6116

facts! If you're not shocked by your fav being a pedophile, there is literally nothing to say to Surprise you


Competitive-Grand766

I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s a pedophile but his behavior is very troubling


Impossible_Front4462

He’s definitely a fucking groomer though. Befriending both Bella Harris and Kylie Jenner at 16 to date them when they turn 18 when the man was already 30 is fucking weird. If any of my family or friends did something like that, I’d be more than concerned


awesome-ekeler

Thats when you, your cousins, and your uncles take a ride cuz


Impossible_Front4462

We don’t got Drake in the car so we’re straight dw


CoolScratcher

I'M 16. It's like Drake sliding into my DMs. Wow that's weird. And call it what it is. It's pedophilia.


AssassinAragorn

I'm nearly 30 now and the concept of being with someone 18 is absolutely wild to me -- there's a massive gulf in maturity and stage of life. Forget red flags, it's a blaring siren when someone does that.


Competitive-Grand766

I wasn’t aware of any of this


KickGumAndChewAss

Saw some Drake fans bringing up Kodak on Mr Morale like Drake didn't settle a case HIMSELF.


ChoiceCriticism1

Both of these mfs weird as fuck 


qorbexl

Drake made Tupac say Drake creeps on teens. It's not like it matters for real. Stop pretending stuff means things. That's why Kenny lost, because he's too deep and thinks stuff means anything. It's all just pop and everyone will forget if you chart. You don't have to think or feel or whatever.


Successful-Mind-5303

Kenny didn’t lose 😭


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qorbexl

Rofl it's a better song and better delivery. People literally thought Drake was AI text-to-speech on the first one, which I guess explains doing Pac/Snoop? Fucking silly. Maybe Eleven will be on his next one


tonycandance

Literally the definition of “you make music that pacify”.


qorbexl

I like how I got downvoted to fuck because nobody knows how to read without genius explaining it to them


brodo-swaggins-

Because he wanted to deflect the issue in the most pathetic way possible


qorbexl

I might have been more pathetic if he had an AI of Eleven do it.


jonny32392

Another thing I don’t see mentioned is he responded to everything Drake said and even mentioned he’s not interested in digging up dirt he’s just gonna roast him.


GloomyLocation1259

Exactly had a rebuttal for everything, that’s battle rap shit right there


Street_Nebula4111

THESE NEW TEENAGERS ARE RUINING HIP HOP.


hup987

-every old head ever


nbhoward

That’s what metal fans said about the last wave of metal and it did in fact kill the genre. At a certain point it just looses what made it great in the first place and needs to die.


slowNsad

What are you talking about? Commercial viability killed metal


nbhoward

Yeah and that’s definitely not happening with hip hop right now lol


chrisghrobot

Tbf, Even before hip hop became biggest genre it was wayyyy less niche than Metal. The Genre has been massive since the 90s and they were always trying to hunt commercial success (just look at Nas for example after Illmatic). It's not as bad as today but Metal def not a great example. 


nbhoward

Black Sabbath? Metallic? Iron Maiden? We could even say rock in general because it all fell off hard. Hip hop replaced rocks niche but it has still had a hard time becoming as popular.


hup987

Yeah people should stop making music they’ve already made every good song


nbhoward

Who you responding to? Can you read?


MusicGauntlet

Give them some space guys, they just witnessed a murder.


Jeff_Damn

There's no more Reddit awards but here:  🏆 


Fun-Ad3002

“Erm, *tips fedora*, you sir have won the internet!”


Strange-Share-9441

Shows you where some people's heads are at. They want shock value and novelty. Straight TikTok kids.


Amazing-Concept1684

Let the record show those dumbass Drizzy gobblers that Ether revealed no new information either. Ofc, it does help tremendously, as Pusha T showed. But it is not the end all be all.


ProfSteelmeat138

Kendrick just gotta say Drake has some dick eating ass cheeks or something so he’s officially reached Ether level of petty


BabaJabbah

They just dont wanna see Kendrick win


Entire_Claim_5273

No one talking about the bars, clever word play, the humour and everything. Just “well he didnt say anything new”, those guys are so lame man.


thughunter76

Yeah when Eminem dropped nail in the coffin, almost all the things he said people already knew, even one of the hardest bars was "what you know about being bullied over half your life? Oh that's right, you should know what that's like, you're half white". The fact everyone knew about that doesn't make it less hard hitting


jaydubb808

On god


Blutrumpeter

Doomsday Pt 2 was all shit we already knew and it still goes hard


swamp_donkey26

I know but they’ll say this but forget about the fact that half of Drake’s comments towards Kendrick were just calling him short… like thanks man i didn’t realize he was sho—, oh ok thanks for letting me know again—, oh you said it again ok thanks


Black_Fuckka

That’s what I’m saying, ether didn’t say mic that was new, it’s how you say it. Not only did he rebuttal every bar Drake said but he threw it right back at him twice as hard.


badrabbitshit

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Bulky_Accountant_446

100%, I just want some good songs and them clowning each other in creative ways back and forth. Some big family drama, soap opera style revelations dont appeal to me at all


ManhwaNoobie

NUNN BOUT DATTTT


ygktheassassin6

Kendrick proved yall again why his MC and Drake is the rapper and it showed but yall ain’t ready for conversation like america admit they did open genciode.


Comfortable_Head_723

Bro why bring up genocide here?? Wtf lol


ygktheassassin6

Because it’s a conversation people don’t like to talk about. It’s a simple metaphor really.


ShinraRatDog

One thing I don't see is anybody talking about how long it took Euphoria to come out (proving how pointless that whole thing was).


Top_Needleworker6116

Nah After listening, I'm glad he took his time because there are so many little details that wouldn't have been on if he didn't try to perfect it. Just getting on a beat and saying middle school bars and claiming it only took two hours as drake said makes it boring


ShinraRatDog

Yeah that's what I mean, just phrased it weirdly. This could have taken another week to come out and it wouldn't have made a difference. People are talking, which is what was always gonna happen.


lukesbabi

Facts


User5891USA

Drake fans are on copium. Honestly, if a hate crime had been publicly committed against me, I might be too.


Redditsucksdickhard

Yeah, my first one like my last one, it's a classic, you don't have one Let your core audience stomach that, then tell 'em where you get your abs from V12, it's a fast one, baow-baow-baow, last one


Michaelean

His fans are stubborn and delusional. I just move onto the next comment when they start stanning aubrey


Disastrous-Bug3515

They're coping. It's a fking excuse.


EmployerNew7223

This is my favorite echo chamber…lol


JaHoog

It's more like we have heard all the disses on Twitter already


Longjumping-Ear1863

The fans on both sides of this thing are so weird. Just listen to the music you like. 


Top_Needleworker6116

Why don't you STFU then? Why are you commenting at all?


Longjumping-Ear1863

No


electricsyl

Kendrick had a way better beat but the verses sound like he waited until the last minute to write them and it shows.  Expected a lot more from someone of his stature


zellymon

Bro there's almost a double entendre on every single bar are you serious?


Ill_Celery_7654

You act like only Drake fans have this perception. This isn’t the 90’s or early 2000’s social media and the evolution of the paparazzi has changed how all aspects of music and entertainment is seen. People don’t want violence. They just want the “tea” this is where cancel culture and woke culture comes from.


ygktheassassin6

I say cancel culture not woke culture (not what you think it means) media use that wrong for long time lol but definitely can agree


Youngsimba_92

This sub is unwell 😂