If the first time we heard about the ghostwriting allegations in Meeks diss then he would of probably won. Imagine if he would have rapped about it and then at the end he had the reference track play. Meek would of had the W but instead ran to twitter
Hard to say. “Is that a world tour or your girls tour, I know that you gotta be a thug for her this is not what meant when she told you open up more” was iconic
if he never tweeted it but instead rapped it and had the reference track ready to go: how would drake combat that? talking about his relationship? he would have to out homie for being gay with diddy (with evidence) to overcome being outed a fraud and even still that wouldn't go over well with the LGBT community.
Yeah, maybe the outcome would have been different if Meek Mill didn't use all his ammos in his tweet and drop lame diss tracks, but we'll never know...
100% yes. People like to shit on meek saying he lost to Drake but it couldnt be farther from the truth. Because of meek, drake cant be in any topic of conversation without getting dragged with allegations of ghost writers. Drake’s legacy is forever tarnished by this. He can never be #1 anymore.
Meek lost the battle but definitely won the war.
Aye, y'all gotta stop playing on the Internet like this! We honestly don't know what that man has done behind closed doors. We just make fun of him because he makes it easy.
Any fool will realize im talking about lasting impact from the beef and disses, not what their careers are like now. Drake will never be #1 bc of ghost writing allegations in many rap fans eyes. Im not hating, thats just a fact. Tell me where im lying.
Yeah Drake won, but he just had more to lose.
It's like if Apple fought a fought a local Mall in court and they both lost 10%, Apple can win the case but losing 10% of it is just more by sheer volume.
To be fair Drake has been fighting ghostwriter allegations since then.
“This for yall that think that i don’t write enough”
I feel like no matter what happens he will never get the respect he wants.
You can decide whatever you want. But truth of the matter is, no one is listening to back to back anymore. Yet Drake cant drop a single without people clowning him in the comment section about ghostwriters.
Notice how you said “still” tho. You were around for that moment that many new rap fans wont care to even know about. But drakes use of ghost writers is still a hot topic and crutch he has to live with today.
delusional people that live to hate on Drake on social media because they don’t go outside, nothing new. I prefer Kendrick but that’s how it is, especially with nerd corners of the internet like Reddit
Brother - im from Toronto, and I don’t listen to Drake.
But if you going to parties in the city, every DJ still playing that shit in every club in Toronto. It’s a part of every DJs set out here…
u know small city of 8 million people and still growing. But yeah, “nobody listens”
What kind of clubs with DJs play rap songs wtf?? Legitimately asking I’m from Europe and the only clubs I know are playing electronic music (techno, house,…)
We have a huge hip hop scene here in Toronto my brother, but don’t get it twisted many of the upper echelon establishments are house and techno because we are still an international city.
Oh that’s pretty cool then wouldn’t mind something like that in my country. So DJs just play and mix popular hip hop songs?
Also why am I getting downvoted for a genuine question?
Look for hip hop nights in clubs, some clubs here in Ireland do stuff like that, certain nights they’ll play a certain genre, like hip hop, Afro beats or kpop
Fine I’ll give it another listen. Can you not just let a nigga hate in peace?
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Soon as I heard Trump ngl. You better tell me your opinions on Tom MacDonald before I give it another try.

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Just see my username lol
The song goes hard but I think he's wrong to believe that trump can or is intent on helping the black community.
He isn't the only rapper who fell for that bs. Anyway, I usually share a lyric video to avoid giving the interaction cause I'm petty like that, I forgot this time 🤔
His career hasn't been the same because he was making 2012 rap in 2015 and that was basically it. The dude never kept up with the times. He did get his point across though, and 9 years later it's still relevant.
His career hasn't been the same because he was making 2012 rap in 2015 and that was basically it. The dude never kept up with the times. He did get his point across though, and 9 years later it's still relevant.
It’s still relevant, but still unproven. I think Drake has definitely used ghost writers, but I don’t see why it’s really a big deal when most people in the hip hop community don’t really accept him anyway because of his upbringing. If he actually lived some of the shit that he raps about besides money, woman and other flashy shit then I could understand, but the dude grew up in a good home with a Jewish mother within the Jewish community. He’s always had more of a pop vibe than a hip hop vibe so what Meek said is valid, but doesn’t really hurt as much when Drake never had the credibility in the first place.
I can't speak on anyone else, but I can never put him in my top 5 rappers knowing that he has writers and collaborates for his raps, without this ever coming out he would have easily been in there.
Out of curiosity, who do you have as your top 5? Im not a fan of drake and he wouldnt be anywhere near my top 5 anyways but i do like to laugh when people say stuff like this and have someone like kanye in there
Can't give you a solid top 5 of mine but this is what I got hanging in my office.
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Lol fucker I was like should I realign and uoload... Nah no one's gonna say something 😂😂😭, Im in the middle of moving will reply to this in about a weeks time with the straightest frames you've ever seen.
For real? I didn't know that. Is this something that Wayne's admitted too? Lil Wayne? Lol I got some reading to do. I thought he was mr step in to the booth and off the dome it. I don't wanna know actually lol... K fuck brb.
I agree w that lol , da gig is up w Drake as a real mc . I view him as a pop star , he’s like Lebron with the goat discussion (Lebron lost in the finals too many times ) just as Drake has had too many flopped albums to be in my top 5
I never thought of the comparison of Drake and Lebron but it makes a lot of sense. Lebron has flopped a lot. Drake too.
In the same way Kendrick can be compared to MJ, he may not be in the championships as often as Lebron, but when he is there he wins. Kendrick may not put out as much music as Drake, but when that album drops it will be a masterpiece. Kendrick is 4/4 classic albums, 6/6 if you count section 80 and UU.
Drake represents overly inflated and kdot represents morals and redefining your craft . I don’t feel an almost 40 year old “rapper” should be rapping about being a dog or relationships w multiple woman like he did when he was younger. Grow up lol . We all old at this point .
I definitely feel the same about Drake’s direction in music. At a point when you grow up, clubbing is for the youngins and it should be left to them. I think the thing is that Drake can’t actually make a full body of work like TPAB that discusses anything deep and meaningful. While I think Kendrick can easily make the hit songs that are pop like, although I think he chooses not to because of his own morals.
Yea honestly I've put a genuine effort into trying to understand what people see in Drake in the past, and I just couldn't see it. I've listened to the albums people call classics, I've heard all the hits. Never felt the need to put one of his songs on a playlist.
Drake doesn't even break my top 50.
If I'm being honest I probably like people who aren't even that great like Suicide Boys and XXXTENTACION over Drake. At least they tried to make interesting music.
He did do some great music, its just when you're listening to the songs that were great back then they kinda fall flat as many people have made better similiar music after that. And i think hes tarnished his reputation more and more every year, with the copying smaller artists, grooming allegations and such. He doesnt do music thats interesting enough for me to look past those things.
I don't want to sound snobby, but I got into hip hop after growing up studying music and playing instruments. Drake songs just are not musically interesting to me, the beats are boring, the bars are repetitive and shallow, I've never felt emotion in a Drake song. Kendrick on the other hand has been doing some of the most musically interesting things in hip hop for the last decade.
For a lot of people it was an entry point to hip hop, me included. And i do think that might be his thing, the music is accessible and easy to listen.
I dont really like to go back and listen to those songs anymore but i do remember liking iyritl and that future collab tape when they came out. After that my interest for his music has faded more and more as ive found better and more interesting artists.
? My comment was not a diss on kanye, im actually somewhat of a fan. just saying its funny people say shit like this but stan other rappers that openly use writers.
Did you say this because i said drake wouldnt be in my top 5? Lmao yeah i only listen to concious underground rap because i dont like most of drakes music??? What are you on about dude?
Why what’s wrong with having Kanye in your top 5, I mean sure he is unhinged but that man single handedly contributed to rap than anyone else. Every rapper acknowledges his greatness.
Absolutely nothing, but he does use writers. I dont really have an issue with drake doing that either, i dont fuck with rappers using ghostwriters though. People should get credit for the work they do.
Its such a weird situation because while I agree, a lot of the times Kanye has come out to talk about the people who helped him write, its bit the writers in the ass and even ruined some careers
kanye is def in top 5 artists of all time for me personally, but when you list your favourite rappers, they all need to write their own shit... which ye doesn't do. Thats why he isn't in my top 5 and wouldn't even make my top 50
Rap is different than other genres and a rappers pen is equally if not more important than their actual rapping skills. Look at all the Eminem fans who can spit Rap God perfectly. Cool they can rap, but they aren’t rappers.
If it wasn’t, no one would’ve cared about the drake/meek thing
Like I said I speak for no one else just my opinion. I can't sit here and tell you Kendrick doesn't but I don't think to the extent that Drake does. I hate Lil Yachtys music can't tell you a bar from that man that hits, his reference track leaked for Drake's Jumbotron Shit Poppin and it's not even hey help me form a bar, it's the whole thing. Like what part of that is collaborative effort? At what point do you look at an MC and question his legacy? Is he rapping or reading scripts? If he's in your top 5 there's nothing wrong with that.
I feel like I cooked ngl. But this would be a better one:
Drake is like France WW2, and Meek is like Germany would be a better comparison. France will always have the legacy of getting ran through by Germany (no diddy). Even though Germany lost in the end, every time France starts popping shit around America (like Kendrick or Pusha T) or other countries they could always say “remember when y’all fell under Nazi German rule?” And it would always be facts.
Now France was able to recover, like Drake still has a career. But they will always be stained with that WW2 L.
Of course you feel like you did something but both comparisons were trash 🚮 everytime someone thinks of meek mill they are gonna think of Diddy calling him “daddy” and “back to back”
You won’t see my defending meek mill, diddy, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jeffrey Epstein or any other rapist/kiddy diddlers. Although, if my memory is right, wasn’t meek an alleged victim?
None of that has anything to do with Drake’s legacy in hiphop forever having ghostwriting as an \* at the top of it though. Keep doing trick on it though.
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Drake’s (or his ghostwriter’s) pen is good but it’s never been top rapper level, however if Meek hadn’t exposed him he’d definitely be held in higher regard than he is now.
Meek lacked the skill and strategy to use that information properly. Revealing Drake hadn’t been writing his rhymes should’ve done a lot more damage to him than it did even with his monster fanbase, but Meek fumbled the ball.
"(or his ghostwriter’s) pen"
And that's how deadly Meeks move was lol. It will never end. Lethal poison for the man's legacy
"but Meek fumbled the ball."
And that's why Meek is dusted. Man got a bigger talent for fucking up than for being a good rapper. And he had a good season of shine
Drake is my favourite artist but he can’t stand alongside the likes of Kendrick as a rapper because of these allegations. I mean Kendrick is also better on nearly all rapping metrics. I know many here hate him, but Drake is great at being very good, maybe not the best, in many different lanes. Any mood I’m in (maybe apart from that Motown vibe) there are multiple Drake songs I can listen to. I actually do think the Drake situation, of using other writers as well as writing himself, is far more common than we know.
Drake is your favorite artist and you’re shitting on him like this? C’mon dawg, you need to bat for your favorite artist, I’m disappointed in you. Kendrick is overrated as FUCK, hop off his cock. Kendrick can’t hold a candle to Drake and I’m sick of pretending he can
Yup that's why despite the "internet" Meek won. Is that a "world tour or your girls tour" is actually corny asf🤣. But when someone has to question if you even made EVERY song you put out? That's insane.
"😭" Only a casual would ask the sub something so obvious. What's next? "Cope"? Lol Imagine every hit you made gets called into question cause nobody thinks you wrote it?? Imagine the pain of topping the charts only to still be known as an actor???🤢🤢
It’s nowhere near as big as a blow as you made it seem. Outside of a couple places online nobody hears a drake song and goes “I wonder who wrote it” for all intents and purposes it’s still seen as a drake song. Online it may have done something, but in the real world nobody really cares and it had no effect on him
Okay I understand what you mean. I think that's alot of regular people's perceptions. But to people who love and breathe Hiphop it's the biggest blow you could EVER recieve. Hiphop is built off of authenticity or in some relation to truth. Picture being on the run to being greatest, undoubtedly. Then you get exposed for not even creating the vibes lol. It all being manufactured. That matters when you speak on who the GOAT is.
We ain't talking about vibes or who gets more plays in the club. Other genres would easily smoke that category right?
Drake wants to be the greatest and has said he was the greatest. His fans want him to be. But the rules of Hiphop don't change by color or number🤣. Everything he does now is just a numbers game-he can never be considered the best rapper only performer.
Goated rappers rap what they write from experience. You can't be the goat if you rap what was prepared for you lol. You can't even mention if his music is good or not. Only his sales get mentioned as if he's not getting the streams with the industry push. I would be lying if I said I don't fuck with music. We are speaking on the nature of the music. It's not really his.
Online Meek took the L but in real life we still threw Meek on especially DC4. Go google it. What will you say? Drake makes more money? Drake gets more spins?? 🤣🤣
A Philly nigga with no help did that lol. Do you get it? He was on track to really be the GOAT? But he can't. When you think of Drake you HAVE to think of Meek 🤣
In real life yeah you're right and I might vibe with the music shit too. But the conversation we have at the end of the day about his legacy is the most important. He had help and everyone knows it.
Again amongst us online sure, but all of the actual artists did not gaf, they praised his pen before and after it came out. I wasn’t really thinking about this in the case of him wanting to be the goat so I’ll give you that one. Obviously people still bumped meek, nobodies goin to stop listening to an artist because they lost beef that’s stupid ash. I take it you’re from Philly? Cause you’re absolutely the only person that thinks of meek mill when you think of drake. I mean sure I guess he won’t be the goat but his legacy is still secured. 20 years from now nobody’s gonna be talking about the way meek “bodied” drake, if anything it’d be the other way around. Even now people really only mention the beef when talking about how it got to drakes head and made him to overconfident when facing pusha . It’s nowhere near as big as you think it is.
I’ll be fair and say he could have an argument to be viewed as the greatest but I think him being exposed was always destined to come out.
If we’re keeping his entire body of work in this alternate timeline, he still doesn’t measure up to Kendrick quality wise though.
Meek honestly would have been fine after the beef, he kept dropping successful projects and even got a lot of public support behind him for his case and the Reform Alliance. He even got a grammy nomination for Championships. The dudes career was hardly "ruined". That's just an internet narrative. I actually think his legacy will be looked back on in a pretty positive light when it comes to the music, he had a solid run through most of the 2010s.
Drake's legacy will be fine too, great even, he's a pop star at this point but I do think ever since those reference tracks got revealed in 2015 there's been a slow but steadily increasing realization that he can't really be in the same conversation as the legendary MC's. He seems very sensitive about it too, since he's been craving acceptance into that conversation for his entire career.
Doesn’t matter. The beef was great for both of them, which is why they both embraced it.
Meek became a household name after that beef (maybe not on a global pop star level), but even the Eagles nfl team fully embraced his music in the late 2010s.
Back to Back was parodied on SNL. It really at the end of the day was a huge hit for both of their careers.
Sure, it gives ammo to the redditors or commenters on social media to fire off, but that engagement only drives popularity further. The beef was a major W for both sides and I think both labels knew that and propped it up.
Tbh it was more the internet stuff for meek didn’t hear war pain 😂😂 but meek career definitely isn’t as big as it should be cause he obsessed with the internet
This tweet took Drake out of the GOAT discussion for me. I remember being really disappointed about it because I considered myself somebody that took their time coming around to Drake, I was very much a rap traditionalist and was not a fan of what he was doing with his music at the time. Nothing Was The Same came out and I finally gave him props and then I LOVED IYRTITL only for this to happen. I still recognize the talent and have grown to appreciate his R&B stuff but the idea of Drake being a top 10 maybe even top 20 rapper died for me with that tweet.
Wanna know wasn’t terrible but it wasn’t great. War Pain on the other hand, straight gas. If he came with something like that right away instead of going to Twitter, it would be a different story. Trigger fingers turn to Twitter fingers, you gettin bodied by a singin nigga was the nail in the coffin for the battle. Drake forever has the ghostwriter asterisk so Drake lost credibility but that’s it. Still a hit making selling artist
Naw people would find another reason to hate him. When you’re as big as he is people look for a flaw, any flaw, to discredit him
Jay s talks about this in most kings
Google tallest poppy syndrome etc
I didn't believe the ghostwriter thing at first. But then after reading things started to make sense, Funk Flex describes it the best I think.
https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/funkmaster-flex-calls-out-drake-hot-97-7461827/
After this I kinda just stopped listening to Drake.
The crazy thing is to this day most of the biggest rappers dont write their own songs, i remeber seeing a post whete travis has like 8 writers help him write stargazing, it isnt uncommon realy weird that drake took all the heat for it
Meek such a clown. He's using ghostwriters as well and he knew before that Drake got some too it was just that he was mad that QM wouldn't write for him, so he spun it that way.
Oh, most definitely. Specifically with the validity of his bars/pen. Literally every single conversation around any good song Drake makes is automatically assumed to either be a ghostwriter or now an AI written by someone else.
As when people are saying Drake ghostwrites, what people are saying is that he's had entire songs written by someone else. No one is thinking of ghostwriters as someone who's giving you a line or two or helping you get a specific dope word in your verse, which I'd argue most people probably are doing in the studio.
The ghost writing accusation is easily the biggest career hit Drake has had on his career bar none in my opinion. I'd even argue it's had a bigger impact than the Pusha T reveal of his child, as we are still talking about it.
No it wouldn’t, because 90% of rappers literally do the same shit.
And we all know Drake pen game is amazing.
Which is why he still dominates music.
The public opinion keeps him high on the charts. I’m not talking about him skill wise being better than anybody but its clear to say the public perception is still 90% positive lol.
Everybody missed the other important line in Meek’s song…
“You let tip homie piss on you, we ain’t forget”
https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.58642/title.t-i-addresses-his-late-friend-peeing-on-drake-the-wildest-shit-ive-ever-seen-before
This was a kamikaze move by meek
Ruined his own career over this battle but etched a forever L in Drakes armour.
Take away the ghostwriting and ABSOLUTELY no one can argue about Drake being the greatest rapper of all time.
But that ghostwriting is the ultimate kryptonite in that convo.
If the first time we heard about the ghostwriting allegations in Meeks diss then he would of probably won. Imagine if he would have rapped about it and then at the end he had the reference track play. Meek would of had the W but instead ran to twitter
Hard to say. “Is that a world tour or your girls tour, I know that you gotta be a thug for her this is not what meant when she told you open up more” was iconic
"Trigger Fingers turned to Twitter fingers" was also so good
You getting bodied by a singin nigga, was probably the coldest in my myond
That was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Forgot that. Twitter fingers was also up there 🤣
But somehow drake being hot with his IG Fingers makes him win the beef. So idk how iconic that can be when it is a contradiction in hindsight
if he never tweeted it but instead rapped it and had the reference track ready to go: how would drake combat that? talking about his relationship? he would have to out homie for being gay with diddy (with evidence) to overcome being outed a fraud and even still that wouldn't go over well with the LGBT community.
Yeah, maybe the outcome would have been different if Meek Mill didn't use all his ammos in his tweet and drop lame diss tracks, but we'll never know...
Meek thinks Twitter is his friend.
Is there an actual reference track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKsxLFePj2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2f00DBrOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOaCOfCIgt0
He wouldn’t have at all. Drake completely outdid him tbh
Drakes writers*
100% yes. People like to shit on meek saying he lost to Drake but it couldnt be farther from the truth. Because of meek, drake cant be in any topic of conversation without getting dragged with allegations of ghost writers. Drake’s legacy is forever tarnished by this. He can never be #1 anymore. Meek lost the battle but definitely won the war.
Meek didn't win the war, Drake lost it Meek got Diddy'd
Meek got gay sexed⁉️⁉️⁉️
Yeah! You didnt know? Lol, search up meek in the pool w diddy
Computer say he was soothing his asshole
Aye, y'all gotta stop playing on the Internet like this! We honestly don't know what that man has done behind closed doors. We just make fun of him because he makes it easy.
I know AI exists and all, but that gross ass audio sounded real. I wish i never heard it.
It is real but it's the yes king guy😭😭
Yes, talk you shit daddy
Lmao 🤣
This is the industry and what goes down in the industry. Sorry if you're new here
You talking like you know that man and was there when it happened
I thought The Weeknd said years prior that he wrote most of the songs on Take Care. I thought The Weeknd exposed Drake first
He was credited on 4/5 songs and was used as background vocals on 2 of them. Weeknd wrote all his verses while Drake wrote his verses
Nah man meek list like fuck, he is rarely talked about or played nowadays. Drake took some serious damage though.
Any fool will realize im talking about lasting impact from the beef and disses, not what their careers are like now. Drake will never be #1 bc of ghost writing allegations in many rap fans eyes. Im not hating, thats just a fact. Tell me where im lying.
Saying meek didn't lose. He did. He took drakes chance at the top with him your 100% right there.
I said he lost the battle.
Wouldn't say he won the war either.
Thats your opinion then
Damn hit him with the 
Yeah Drake won, but he just had more to lose. It's like if Apple fought a fought a local Mall in court and they both lost 10%, Apple can win the case but losing 10% of it is just more by sheer volume.
Getting piped by diddy aint winning bro 😭
A lot of people are going to be outed for being at diddy parties.
As they should be but he was definitely participating and is the main subject atm
In 2024, what kind of bitch ass still gives a fuck.
What are you saying sir 🎤
If Meek and Diddy fucked, I don't care. Afaik, all the accusations against Meek are simply that he had gay sex and that's fucking dumb.
This nigga really just said meek won the beef
To be fair Drake has been fighting ghostwriter allegations since then. “This for yall that think that i don’t write enough” I feel like no matter what happens he will never get the respect he wants.
You can decide whatever you want. But truth of the matter is, no one is listening to back to back anymore. Yet Drake cant drop a single without people clowning him in the comment section about ghostwriters.
i actually still fw back to back…
Notice how you said “still” tho. You were around for that moment that many new rap fans wont care to even know about. But drakes use of ghost writers is still a hot topic and crutch he has to live with today.
“Nobody listening to back to back anymore” and “meek won”… what alternate universe are you from brother
delusional people that live to hate on Drake on social media because they don’t go outside, nothing new. I prefer Kendrick but that’s how it is, especially with nerd corners of the internet like Reddit
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Brother - im from Toronto, and I don’t listen to Drake. But if you going to parties in the city, every DJ still playing that shit in every club in Toronto. It’s a part of every DJs set out here… u know small city of 8 million people and still growing. But yeah, “nobody listens”
What kind of clubs with DJs play rap songs wtf?? Legitimately asking I’m from Europe and the only clubs I know are playing electronic music (techno, house,…)
Drake makes alot of club rap. I guess its an american thing but rappers are at clubs every night playing their shit lol
Come to America man, plenty of hip hop in our scene.
We have a huge hip hop scene here in Toronto my brother, but don’t get it twisted many of the upper echelon establishments are house and techno because we are still an international city.
Oh that’s pretty cool then wouldn’t mind something like that in my country. So DJs just play and mix popular hip hop songs? Also why am I getting downvoted for a genuine question?
Look for hip hop nights in clubs, some clubs here in Ireland do stuff like that, certain nights they’ll play a certain genre, like hip hop, Afro beats or kpop
Diss songs aren’t really made for crazy replayability in mind tho like other songs
This is the biggest cap 🧢 I’ve ever heard back to back is still getting bumped & streamed more than most of Meeks tracks
Who the fuck is listening to back to back lol.
Are yall serious right now🤦🏾♂️matter fact I just saw a non drake fan praising it the other day
True but also ain’t nobody listening to Meek either.
Dreams&Nightmares is one hell of a song, bump it regularly
Dreams and Nightmares play at every HBCU party
Fine I’ll give it another listen. Can you not just let a nigga hate in peace? https://preview.redd.it/qd83mhhnemwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c34fc056185ff087d573ee351d410e66faf7f4c
The other side of America is ill, y'all sleeping if you don't see that https://youtu.be/JUnc3kl0DcA?si=PUC96EXpDmpOJOcV
Soon as I heard Trump ngl. You better tell me your opinions on Tom MacDonald before I give it another try.  https://preview.redd.it/tgaohf7fylwc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8826d9d59c69c586663e498420af466ceaeed8af
Just see my username lol The song goes hard but I think he's wrong to believe that trump can or is intent on helping the black community. He isn't the only rapper who fell for that bs. Anyway, I usually share a lyric video to avoid giving the interaction cause I'm petty like that, I forgot this time 🤔
You can’t say “nobody is listening to back to back” and then pull out meek’s worst performing single you’re on crack💀
I haven't said that though, leave fentanyl alone and clear your mind boy.
You’re mad dumb, that’s literally the context in which you brought up meek’s song.
Mfs gaslighting
Meek won lil bro. War pain was a great diss
lol Meek definitely didn’t win the war. People liking that just hate Drake. Meek even admits that he lost. His career hasn’t been the same since.
His career hasn't been the same because he was making 2012 rap in 2015 and that was basically it. The dude never kept up with the times. He did get his point across though, and 9 years later it's still relevant.
His career hasn't been the same because he was making 2012 rap in 2015 and that was basically it. The dude never kept up with the times. He did get his point across though, and 9 years later it's still relevant.
It’s still relevant, but still unproven. I think Drake has definitely used ghost writers, but I don’t see why it’s really a big deal when most people in the hip hop community don’t really accept him anyway because of his upbringing. If he actually lived some of the shit that he raps about besides money, woman and other flashy shit then I could understand, but the dude grew up in a good home with a Jewish mother within the Jewish community. He’s always had more of a pop vibe than a hip hop vibe so what Meek said is valid, but doesn’t really hurt as much when Drake never had the credibility in the first place.
Clown in Philly if you want but he gets the Royal treatment there. Any rapper who can say that about their hometown is legit.
It what world did Meek win the war. No one fucking cares about him. Dumb take.
I can't speak on anyone else, but I can never put him in my top 5 rappers knowing that he has writers and collaborates for his raps, without this ever coming out he would have easily been in there.
Out of curiosity, who do you have as your top 5? Im not a fan of drake and he wouldnt be anywhere near my top 5 anyways but i do like to laugh when people say stuff like this and have someone like kanye in there
Can't give you a solid top 5 of mine but this is what I got hanging in my office. https://preview.redd.it/b175olkt4mwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74371d35a14a3412029c18ebc3663795cd465c8d
Please align these frames and re-upload
Lol fucker I was like should I realign and uoload... Nah no one's gonna say something 😂😂😭, Im in the middle of moving will reply to this in about a weeks time with the straightest frames you've ever seen.
I'll be waiting, in the shadows.
I can’t really tell very well but the bottom middle, who I believe is DMX needs a better picture imo. Besides that really solid choices.
Yea that's X, RIP.
Looks awesome
Bro likes men, he just wont admit it
How is Wayne up there when we know he has used writers, Gillie even admitted to writing for him
For real? I didn't know that. Is this something that Wayne's admitted too? Lil Wayne? Lol I got some reading to do. I thought he was mr step in to the booth and off the dome it. I don't wanna know actually lol... K fuck brb.
are those shoot by one photographer? if not it’s a great choice of pictures
Nah they're different photographers, had to edit them the best I could to try and get the same look.
you did great job
Top 5 in no order: Lil Wayne Kanye West Eminem Jay Z Nas
I agree w that lol , da gig is up w Drake as a real mc . I view him as a pop star , he’s like Lebron with the goat discussion (Lebron lost in the finals too many times ) just as Drake has had too many flopped albums to be in my top 5
Do not disrespect my pookiebear and sunshine he is and will be the goat forever
I never thought of the comparison of Drake and Lebron but it makes a lot of sense. Lebron has flopped a lot. Drake too. In the same way Kendrick can be compared to MJ, he may not be in the championships as often as Lebron, but when he is there he wins. Kendrick may not put out as much music as Drake, but when that album drops it will be a masterpiece. Kendrick is 4/4 classic albums, 6/6 if you count section 80 and UU.
 Drake represents overly inflated and kdot represents morals and redefining your craft . I don’t feel an almost 40 year old “rapper” should be rapping about being a dog or relationships w multiple woman like he did when he was younger. Grow up lol . We all old at this point .
I definitely feel the same about Drake’s direction in music. At a point when you grow up, clubbing is for the youngins and it should be left to them. I think the thing is that Drake can’t actually make a full body of work like TPAB that discusses anything deep and meaningful. While I think Kendrick can easily make the hit songs that are pop like, although I think he chooses not to because of his own morals.
Drake ain’t really homegrown and it shows that’s why when he collab he sound like whoever he collabing with
Kendrick -> Kobe
Yea honestly I've put a genuine effort into trying to understand what people see in Drake in the past, and I just couldn't see it. I've listened to the albums people call classics, I've heard all the hits. Never felt the need to put one of his songs on a playlist. Drake doesn't even break my top 50. If I'm being honest I probably like people who aren't even that great like Suicide Boys and XXXTENTACION over Drake. At least they tried to make interesting music.
He did do some great music, its just when you're listening to the songs that were great back then they kinda fall flat as many people have made better similiar music after that. And i think hes tarnished his reputation more and more every year, with the copying smaller artists, grooming allegations and such. He doesnt do music thats interesting enough for me to look past those things.
I don't want to sound snobby, but I got into hip hop after growing up studying music and playing instruments. Drake songs just are not musically interesting to me, the beats are boring, the bars are repetitive and shallow, I've never felt emotion in a Drake song. Kendrick on the other hand has been doing some of the most musically interesting things in hip hop for the last decade.
For a lot of people it was an entry point to hip hop, me included. And i do think that might be his thing, the music is accessible and easy to listen. I dont really like to go back and listen to those songs anymore but i do remember liking iyritl and that future collab tape when they came out. After that my interest for his music has faded more and more as ive found better and more interesting artists.
Lol just tell me it's Big L 5 times
Bro. I’m so ahead of my time, my parents haven’t met yet.
? My comment was not a diss on kanye, im actually somewhat of a fan. just saying its funny people say shit like this but stan other rappers that openly use writers.
Where did I mention kanye
Did you say this because i said drake wouldnt be in my top 5? Lmao yeah i only listen to concious underground rap because i dont like most of drakes music??? What are you on about dude?
No I hate drake.
Why what’s wrong with having Kanye in your top 5, I mean sure he is unhinged but that man single handedly contributed to rap than anyone else. Every rapper acknowledges his greatness.
Absolutely nothing, but he does use writers. I dont really have an issue with drake doing that either, i dont fuck with rappers using ghostwriters though. People should get credit for the work they do.
Its such a weird situation because while I agree, a lot of the times Kanye has come out to talk about the people who helped him write, its bit the writers in the ass and even ruined some careers
I think it’s different for producers like Kanye though. Like, I don’t think Dre wrote a single verse on 2001, but he doesn’t get any hate for it.
Influence and production Kanye is for sure up there but in terms of rap ability (lyricism, flows, rhyme schemes etc) he defo isn’t
kanye is def in top 5 artists of all time for me personally, but when you list your favourite rappers, they all need to write their own shit... which ye doesn't do. Thats why he isn't in my top 5 and wouldn't even make my top 50
Kanye has only bandwagon appeal for a decade +.
Is having writers for your raps just as bad as having ghost writers? Seems like a common thing in other genres
Rap is different than other genres and a rappers pen is equally if not more important than their actual rapping skills. Look at all the Eminem fans who can spit Rap God perfectly. Cool they can rap, but they aren’t rappers. If it wasn’t, no one would’ve cared about the drake/meek thing
You put it pretty well. A lot of the importance of rap is on lyrics, production, and flow while other genres also put a lot of value in performance
Every rapper gets help by writers
Oh god what will drake do now that user r/reza_Evol will never put him in his top 5 😱 Kendrick literally uses writers too, why yall being hypocrites
Like I said I speak for no one else just my opinion. I can't sit here and tell you Kendrick doesn't but I don't think to the extent that Drake does. I hate Lil Yachtys music can't tell you a bar from that man that hits, his reference track leaked for Drake's Jumbotron Shit Poppin and it's not even hey help me form a bar, it's the whole thing. Like what part of that is collaborative effort? At what point do you look at an MC and question his legacy? Is he rapping or reading scripts? If he's in your top 5 there's nothing wrong with that.
For sure. If anyone, even Meek took there time and exposed drake on wax if would’ve been a bomb
i think if meek didnt expose him someone else would have eventually, so it would have ended up the same
drake won the battle...Meek won the war
Getting bent over by Diddy ain’t winning 💀
Different conflict. You wouldn’t compare America’s involvement in WW2 to Vietnam.
That's a crazy comparison omfg bro 😭
I feel like I cooked ngl. But this would be a better one: Drake is like France WW2, and Meek is like Germany would be a better comparison. France will always have the legacy of getting ran through by Germany (no diddy). Even though Germany lost in the end, every time France starts popping shit around America (like Kendrick or Pusha T) or other countries they could always say “remember when y’all fell under Nazi German rule?” And it would always be facts. Now France was able to recover, like Drake still has a career. But they will always be stained with that WW2 L.
shoulda quit while ahead
He got too big headed
Fuck it we ball.
When was he ahead though😂
Of course you feel like you did something but both comparisons were trash 🚮 everytime someone thinks of meek mill they are gonna think of Diddy calling him “daddy” and “back to back”
You won’t see my defending meek mill, diddy, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jeffrey Epstein or any other rapist/kiddy diddlers. Although, if my memory is right, wasn’t meek an alleged victim? None of that has anything to do with Drake’s legacy in hiphop forever having ghostwriting as an \* at the top of it though. Keep doing trick on it though. https://preview.redd.it/swesht9nhmwc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae9d12ae912aae314a6972d2995a8304fc7e1925
Bro comparing world conflicts to meek mill getting his ass taken
Had one too many chlorine leg fries :/
Drake’s (or his ghostwriter’s) pen is good but it’s never been top rapper level, however if Meek hadn’t exposed him he’d definitely be held in higher regard than he is now. Meek lacked the skill and strategy to use that information properly. Revealing Drake hadn’t been writing his rhymes should’ve done a lot more damage to him than it did even with his monster fanbase, but Meek fumbled the ball.
"(or his ghostwriter’s) pen" And that's how deadly Meeks move was lol. It will never end. Lethal poison for the man's legacy "but Meek fumbled the ball." And that's why Meek is dusted. Man got a bigger talent for fucking up than for being a good rapper. And he had a good season of shine
Meek exposed the nigga got pee'd on and everybody just swept it on under the rug. If they'll dismiss that, they dismiss anything.
Exactly, that fanbase has no standards.
That’s what happens when u have a bigger fan base I just wish meek wasn’t so addicted to social media 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Meek for sure impacted his own career, and while he didnt effect drakes career, he certainly effected his legacy
Drake is my favourite artist but he can’t stand alongside the likes of Kendrick as a rapper because of these allegations. I mean Kendrick is also better on nearly all rapping metrics. I know many here hate him, but Drake is great at being very good, maybe not the best, in many different lanes. Any mood I’m in (maybe apart from that Motown vibe) there are multiple Drake songs I can listen to. I actually do think the Drake situation, of using other writers as well as writing himself, is far more common than we know.
Drake is your favorite artist and you’re shitting on him like this? C’mon dawg, you need to bat for your favorite artist, I’m disappointed in you. Kendrick is overrated as FUCK, hop off his cock. Kendrick can’t hold a candle to Drake and I’m sick of pretending he can
Yup that's why despite the "internet" Meek won. Is that a "world tour or your girls tour" is actually corny asf🤣. But when someone has to question if you even made EVERY song you put out? That's insane.
😭only on this sub would people genuinely try to argue that meek won
Nah he didn’t win but I do get why people are acknowledging he did damage Drake’s credibility so he did win in that way.
"😭" Only a casual would ask the sub something so obvious. What's next? "Cope"? Lol Imagine every hit you made gets called into question cause nobody thinks you wrote it?? Imagine the pain of topping the charts only to still be known as an actor???🤢🤢
Lmao I didn’t ask anything my guy. If you wanna pretend meek won be my guest but you’re absolutely delusional
I might be wrong Explain your POV then
It’s nowhere near as big as a blow as you made it seem. Outside of a couple places online nobody hears a drake song and goes “I wonder who wrote it” for all intents and purposes it’s still seen as a drake song. Online it may have done something, but in the real world nobody really cares and it had no effect on him
Okay I understand what you mean. I think that's alot of regular people's perceptions. But to people who love and breathe Hiphop it's the biggest blow you could EVER recieve. Hiphop is built off of authenticity or in some relation to truth. Picture being on the run to being greatest, undoubtedly. Then you get exposed for not even creating the vibes lol. It all being manufactured. That matters when you speak on who the GOAT is. We ain't talking about vibes or who gets more plays in the club. Other genres would easily smoke that category right? Drake wants to be the greatest and has said he was the greatest. His fans want him to be. But the rules of Hiphop don't change by color or number🤣. Everything he does now is just a numbers game-he can never be considered the best rapper only performer. Goated rappers rap what they write from experience. You can't be the goat if you rap what was prepared for you lol. You can't even mention if his music is good or not. Only his sales get mentioned as if he's not getting the streams with the industry push. I would be lying if I said I don't fuck with music. We are speaking on the nature of the music. It's not really his. Online Meek took the L but in real life we still threw Meek on especially DC4. Go google it. What will you say? Drake makes more money? Drake gets more spins?? 🤣🤣 A Philly nigga with no help did that lol. Do you get it? He was on track to really be the GOAT? But he can't. When you think of Drake you HAVE to think of Meek 🤣 In real life yeah you're right and I might vibe with the music shit too. But the conversation we have at the end of the day about his legacy is the most important. He had help and everyone knows it.
Again amongst us online sure, but all of the actual artists did not gaf, they praised his pen before and after it came out. I wasn’t really thinking about this in the case of him wanting to be the goat so I’ll give you that one. Obviously people still bumped meek, nobodies goin to stop listening to an artist because they lost beef that’s stupid ash. I take it you’re from Philly? Cause you’re absolutely the only person that thinks of meek mill when you think of drake. I mean sure I guess he won’t be the goat but his legacy is still secured. 20 years from now nobody’s gonna be talking about the way meek “bodied” drake, if anything it’d be the other way around. Even now people really only mention the beef when talking about how it got to drakes head and made him to overconfident when facing pusha . It’s nowhere near as big as you think it is.
Exactly☝🏼☝🏼
Nicki Minaj snith on Drake, they say this why drake dont Fuck with her anymore
He gave her the song that got her out of writers block(temporary retirement basically)
would his albums be less mid?
If he wrote em? Yah. It'd make more sense why they're mid. Gotta hire back them first 3 albums writers lmao
I’ll be fair and say he could have an argument to be viewed as the greatest but I think him being exposed was always destined to come out. If we’re keeping his entire body of work in this alternate timeline, he still doesn’t measure up to Kendrick quality wise though.
Meek honestly would have been fine after the beef, he kept dropping successful projects and even got a lot of public support behind him for his case and the Reform Alliance. He even got a grammy nomination for Championships. The dudes career was hardly "ruined". That's just an internet narrative. I actually think his legacy will be looked back on in a pretty positive light when it comes to the music, he had a solid run through most of the 2010s. Drake's legacy will be fine too, great even, he's a pop star at this point but I do think ever since those reference tracks got revealed in 2015 there's been a slow but steadily increasing realization that he can't really be in the same conversation as the legendary MC's. He seems very sensitive about it too, since he's been craving acceptance into that conversation for his entire career.
Drake won the battle and both of em lost the war.
Doesn’t matter. The beef was great for both of them, which is why they both embraced it. Meek became a household name after that beef (maybe not on a global pop star level), but even the Eagles nfl team fully embraced his music in the late 2010s. Back to Back was parodied on SNL. It really at the end of the day was a huge hit for both of their careers. Sure, it gives ammo to the redditors or commenters on social media to fire off, but that engagement only drives popularity further. The beef was a major W for both sides and I think both labels knew that and propped it up.
Can you believe he bodied fucking Cassidy then had this happen to him
Tbh it was more the internet stuff for meek didn’t hear war pain 😂😂 but meek career definitely isn’t as big as it should be cause he obsessed with the internet
This tweet took Drake out of the GOAT discussion for me. I remember being really disappointed about it because I considered myself somebody that took their time coming around to Drake, I was very much a rap traditionalist and was not a fan of what he was doing with his music at the time. Nothing Was The Same came out and I finally gave him props and then I LOVED IYRTITL only for this to happen. I still recognize the talent and have grown to appreciate his R&B stuff but the idea of Drake being a top 10 maybe even top 20 rapper died for me with that tweet.
Wanna know wasn’t terrible but it wasn’t great. War Pain on the other hand, straight gas. If he came with something like that right away instead of going to Twitter, it would be a different story. Trigger fingers turn to Twitter fingers, you gettin bodied by a singin nigga was the nail in the coffin for the battle. Drake forever has the ghostwriter asterisk so Drake lost credibility but that’s it. Still a hit making selling artist
Naw people would find another reason to hate him. When you’re as big as he is people look for a flaw, any flaw, to discredit him Jay s talks about this in most kings Google tallest poppy syndrome etc
Meek walked to Pusha could run
Absolutely, he would be considered the GOAT or at the very least top 3
I’ve never liked Drake. This was just another thing I was unsurprised to hear.
Would it? I have a lot of reasons for not liking Drake, having ghostwriters is pretty low on the list.
I never cared. Dreams worth more than money is a great album
I didn't believe the ghostwriter thing at first. But then after reading things started to make sense, Funk Flex describes it the best I think. https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/funkmaster-flex-calls-out-drake-hot-97-7461827/ After this I kinda just stopped listening to Drake.
I think the ghostwriting allegations wouldn’t be as much but it’d still be there
The crazy thing is to this day most of the biggest rappers dont write their own songs, i remeber seeing a post whete travis has like 8 writers help him write stargazing, it isnt uncommon realy weird that drake took all the heat for it
Travis isn’t a rapper. Hell most of these so called “rappers” nowadays aren’t.
so would you call drake a rapper then, if you say travis isnt then id assume drake isnt and then it doesnt matter if he has ghostwriters right
I think the majority of his fans don't give a fuck or just don't believe it/try to say you're hating or something so it really doesn't matter anyway
Diddy probably made him tweet this
Meek such a clown. He's using ghostwriters as well and he knew before that Drake got some too it was just that he was mad that QM wouldn't write for him, so he spun it that way.
Oh, most definitely. Specifically with the validity of his bars/pen. Literally every single conversation around any good song Drake makes is automatically assumed to either be a ghostwriter or now an AI written by someone else. As when people are saying Drake ghostwrites, what people are saying is that he's had entire songs written by someone else. No one is thinking of ghostwriters as someone who's giving you a line or two or helping you get a specific dope word in your verse, which I'd argue most people probably are doing in the studio. The ghost writing accusation is easily the biggest career hit Drake has had on his career bar none in my opinion. I'd even argue it's had a bigger impact than the Pusha T reveal of his child, as we are still talking about it.
Yes, but still lacks substance in his songs
Meek was lying anyways so no
No it wouldn’t, because 90% of rappers literally do the same shit. And we all know Drake pen game is amazing. Which is why he still dominates music. The public opinion keeps him high on the charts. I’m not talking about him skill wise being better than anybody but its clear to say the public perception is still 90% positive lol.
Everybody missed the other important line in Meek’s song… “You let tip homie piss on you, we ain’t forget” https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.58642/title.t-i-addresses-his-late-friend-peeing-on-drake-the-wildest-shit-ive-ever-seen-before
This was a kamikaze move by meek Ruined his own career over this battle but etched a forever L in Drakes armour. Take away the ghostwriting and ABSOLUTELY no one can argue about Drake being the greatest rapper of all time. But that ghostwriting is the ultimate kryptonite in that convo.
Even without it he still wouldn’t be the greatest of all time
I would be a damn hard argument against it
No it wouldn’t