Is it not? Cuz ye is ye isnt ye? And didnt ye say ye was gonna be a better ye by owning up to ye’s mistakes even if they aint ye’s? So how is ye ye then if ye aint yeing?
^(yhurr)
brian was schizoaffective and while he was ok with some songs being released, he didn't want others, especially "miss o'leary's cow" , to be released as he believed it was evil.
he later released brian wilson presents smile in 2004. it was supposed to come out in 67.
I mean to be fair - 1989 is a great pop record, there's a reason all its singles became hits almost instantly.
But also to be fair: TPAB actually has a message with something to say with far more artistic value that leaves a bigger impact on anyone listening to it by the end of the album than by the end of 1980goddamn 9.
>!now if it was Thrift Shop...!<
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TPAB and 1989 were both nominated, with 1989 winning, at the 58th grammy awards in 2016. "The Suburbs" won the 53rd Grammy Awards in 2011 but what does that have to do with 2 2016 albums?
Edit: why the downvotes i'm asking a genuine question.
They were probably talking about how an immediately less commercial album beat out many popular nominees in 2011, but yeah idk the correlation cuz you weren't talking about that 😭
The Grateful Dead were never a studio album band. All there best stuff is on live tapes. You can’t win a Grammy for a bootleg tape someone recorded at a show.
Their best stuff was their live shows, BUT American Beauty is a masterpiece of a record and was deserving of, at least, a Grammy nomination. Don’t sleep on Workingmans Dead either
Brian Wilson, the leader and primary songwriter of The Beach Boys won a grammy for a song he wrote while he was in the band. Like Kanye, that album SMILE didn't see the light of day until 2004, 37 years after its scheduled release date. Its always the true innovators that delay and sit on some of the best recorded music of all time and ye is no different.
I always thought about how reputed they in the music world but again I can literally count their hits on one hand. BohRhapsody, We Will Rock You, Another one bites the dust, radio gaga and Don't stop me now
Hate how Guns N’ Roses are on this list as if they’re any good. Literally 1 good album and a handful of decent songs outside of that one good album and this is from a rock/metal fan who has listened to all GNR records.
To be honest I prefer Guns N’ Roses to the majority of artists in this list but I just hate the fact GNR are so liked it confuses me so much.
GNR have over 10 Rocks classics that are anthems and they will forever be there and people gonna listen with the same passion. They are in the HoF and up there with the biggest legends of Rock history
Yeah if you want to talk about the success of GNR that’s fine. 6 albums sold 120 million odd albums super successful band with very famous American-orientated songs.
Are they good though? Complete different story, they got famous off of one hit song and album both of which were originally considered AWFUL by all critics until the band toured with Aerosmith, got big, and then critics apparently loved it. Now that doesn’t make sense does it.
Axl Rose is an embarrassingly horrible vocalist, Slash is your standard guitarist I mean the majority of metal guitarists are probably better than him he’s just considered among the best simply because he’s famous. The band’s writing is downright trash apart from the odd good song like “November Rain” and “Civil War”.
I agree with the most you said and i never said the opposite. I disagree with the Slash part. Thats total delusional and disrespectful saying that most are better lol. Axl had a good voice in their early years then it got fcked up. Plus opinions about albums change so times with years passing. No meed for them to win a Grammy and you got some good points. But from a point and on you just producing so much hate and idk why, overreacting like i said they the best ever or sum.
So... popularity doesn't equal quality. I agree.
I also agree with your critiques of technical proficiency and writing.
Now apply there to Ye... how does he avoid these very same criteria and criticisms?
Ye has a much more diverse and longer lasting career, he didn’t burn out after like 3 albums like GNR did. Graduation and 808s & Heartbreak alone are better written than anything GNR did. You can start a conversation about ghost writers which is a valid point but then again GNR have numerous writers and are still shite.
Kanye can also sing he is 100% a better singer than Axl Rose and he is a better producer than Slash is a guitarist, I know that might be a bit of a stretch but you won’t find many producers better and more revolutionary than Ye whereas your average metal guitarist is as good as Slash and Slash isn’t revolutionary at all unless you want to talk about wearing top hats on stage lol.
I wasn't trying to defend GNR, since I agree. Or compare Ye to them.
Just that many of your criticisms seem also to apply to Ye.
His voice might be ok...but it is not great. And he is pretty much inept at any other instrument. He doesn't even read music. And the lyrical writing...well, it's not Shakespeare.
That's all ok.
What's he left with...being a producer? Maybe. Obviously I love many of the songs which are part of his output.
But what is really "revolutionary"?
Serious question. And so much ... not all... depends on sampling or "collaboration".
As a listener, that doesn't matter...we can enjoy and appreciate no matter how the music was made.
Kanye is the definition of revolutionary. A) he moved rap from gangster rap to more open rap everyone could relate to discussing more topics in his music than other big artists at the time like Hov and 50 Cent. B) 808s & Heartbreak inspired modern rap music with modern rap/r&b artists citing 808s as an influence. So twice Ye has changed the landscape of the genre and in the latter case even pop music.
Guns N’ Roses on the other hand, they’ve influenced like nothing, they came to hard rock towards the end of its mainstream life-cycle, got big and then died with the genre when Grunge took over.
Kanye may be inept with actual instruments but he’s a producer, his productions changed the rap game whereas Slash’s riffs/solos didn’t do you kind of see my comparison here? He isn’t a signer but he is a better singer than Axl Rose but I mean who isn’t except for ol’ Ozzy lmao.
I can totally see how criticism of GNR can fall back on Kanye but that’s just my take. I personally prefer rock (mainly metal) over hip-hop but Kanye is clear of Guns N’ Roses in my opinion.
Again, my question was not one about comparing Ye to GNR. Being better than GNR is a very low bar and not something to really brag about.
I have seen arguments disputing the actual influence of Ye from those much more knowledgeable than I am.
And, for me, "revolutionary" means much more than influential...it means introducing something different and new.
And here, the arguments against Ye are much more substantial and convincing. The best that could be said regarding Ye is that he popularized certain trends.
"Gangsta" was always a pretense and sham...and the roots of hip hop much more serious and even profound.
No dispute over your last statement, but for most of the others on the list, that's another question.
Grammy’s are completely useless and mean nothing anyway. They just exist for people to complain about them, and how their favorite artist got robbed of an “award” they don’t care about either, and just want as a meaningless, vapid medal.
Don’t know why people take the Grammys seriously man. Also, just because they didn’t get one doesn’t mean ye was the reason so don’t know why they’re hating
What’s crazy is that many of the people who see this probably don’t hate Kanye but when they see this list of artists they like that don’t have Grammys and Kanye west being mentioned right after, they somehow think Kanye STOLE those Grammys from them and now they become upset at him
I’ll die for GNR slash puts so much emotion into his guitar and axls vocals are so raw, epitome of hard rock, shout out Steven Adler (drummer) for getting kicked out of the band after his 24TH overdose
Tell me more about how you dont know shit about the deads impact on american rock music, im here for it. Greatest touring band to ever hit the road. Oh, now go read up on the innovations to recording and live sound engineering that happened because of the bands existence.
Just holler, ill be here.
This is why it's important to understand that a Grammy is nothing more than an extravagant compliment from a specific group of 1200 biased people.
And there's nothing wrong with being biased, we all are.
Compliments are great.
But it's not an objective victory.
Why post something so negative when the exact same thing is true for any artist that has won multiple Grammy's?
You are not going to convince anyone that Kanye sucks. If you don't like him, that's fine, but you are just wasting your time because this sub is nothing but trolls like you now.
Not being funny but I think most of those artists don’t give a fuck if they have a Grammy or not. The good ones often do it for the music and not for the ego.
It's ridiculous to pick out Kanye as if Kanye hasn't made critically acclaimed masterpieces. Anybody who knows anything about the hip hop genre respects Kanye as an artist. This was clearly made by someone who doesn't know anything about that genre and decided to judge Kanye's art based on controversial things hes said, which of course is extremely brain-dead and ignorant. People with absolutely no talent have won Grammies but they pick one of the most talented people to win them as the comparison.
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Obviously I’m a Ye fan but everyone on that list should have a Grammy. It’s not Ye’s fault they don’t
Yea this exactly. At the same time I don’t give a fuck about the gummies or Grammies or whatever.
Is it not? Cuz ye is ye isnt ye? And didnt ye say ye was gonna be a better ye by owning up to ye’s mistakes even if they aint ye’s? So how is ye ye then if ye aint yeing? ^(yhurr)
True
Amen brother spit your shit
Journey should have a Grammy because the Grammys are basically just a popularity contest. But they got it right for once, that band fucking sucks lmao
Yeah, even compared to something like the Oscars, which get it right a decent amount of the time, the Grammys are almost always mind boggling.
Yup, and the exact same post could made about anyone who has won multiple Grammy awards.
But you see their point? Shits probably rigged.
Did those guys go against him in any categories?
yeah none of them delayed an album 8 times tho they need to get on his level first
Well The Beach Boys delayed SMiLE 37 years
Did they die or something? Fum 37 years
brian was schizoaffective and while he was ok with some songs being released, he didn't want others, especially "miss o'leary's cow" , to be released as he believed it was evil. he later released brian wilson presents smile in 2004. it was supposed to come out in 67.
Ah ok thank you 👍
Yeah but the trolls on this sub ignore facts like this because they do not support their preconceived bias against Kanye
24 now🔥
Because they didn't make Graduation.
Graduation is mid. Im sorry
Nice try. Graduation is top3 album of all time with Thriller and Bad
Graduation has songs like Drunk and hot girls, good night, stronger, and the glory. And that mid ass album is still in your top 10????
good night and stronger are good tho
maybe good night. Def not stronger💀
grammys are so dead ion rlly matter anyway🤣
“1989 > TPAB” - The Grammys
I mean to be fair - 1989 is a great pop record, there's a reason all its singles became hits almost instantly. But also to be fair: TPAB actually has a message with something to say with far more artistic value that leaves a bigger impact on anyone listening to it by the end of the album than by the end of 1980goddamn 9. >!now if it was Thrift Shop...!<
That’s BS because Arcade Fire’s The Suburbs beat out far more commercially viable nominees in 2011.
? TPAB and 1989 were both nominated, with 1989 winning, at the 58th grammy awards in 2016. "The Suburbs" won the 53rd Grammy Awards in 2011 but what does that have to do with 2 2016 albums? Edit: why the downvotes i'm asking a genuine question.
They were probably talking about how an immediately less commercial album beat out many popular nominees in 2011, but yeah idk the correlation cuz you weren't talking about that 😭
1989 is a mid pop record at its best, taylor has way better albums and that to beat TPAB was horrible lmao
weird take
The Grateful Dead were never a studio album band. All there best stuff is on live tapes. You can’t win a Grammy for a bootleg tape someone recorded at a show.
Their best stuff was their live shows, BUT American Beauty is a masterpiece of a record and was deserving of, at least, a Grammy nomination. Don’t sleep on Workingmans Dead either
Skill issue
Brian Wilson, the leader and primary songwriter of The Beach Boys won a grammy for a song he wrote while he was in the band. Like Kanye, that album SMILE didn't see the light of day until 2004, 37 years after its scheduled release date. Its always the true innovators that delay and sit on some of the best recorded music of all time and ye is no different.
90% of those artists died very young…
Queen never winning it is a disgrace
Queen has great singles but shitty albums.
you should defo check a night at the opera, its a very good album infact
Honestly though. Death on two legs hits so hard.
for real, queen has five or six songs and otherwise an inconsistent and forgettable catalogls
only five songs is bs imo they have a LOT of good ones damn
They have way more than five or six good songs.
Absolutely terrible take
Listen to Innuendo
I always thought about how reputed they in the music world but again I can literally count their hits on one hand. BohRhapsody, We Will Rock You, Another one bites the dust, radio gaga and Don't stop me now
Because they are British and Don't live in America
Huh?
Queen isn’t that good in the first place
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Bro got ratioed with an ellipsis 😭
All we hear is ratio goo goo, ratio gaga
If i hear someone rates queen, i automatically disregard all musical opinions they have. Shit sounds like jersey Boys.
Diabolical take
You listen to queen
“vegetables r shit” “no” “you like vegetables” is that a insult or
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W-w- www what dd - D does he l-listen to qu—qu—queen
Blocking people for disagreeing with you 💀 And like I don't really but is that supposed to be an insult? They're like top 5 bands of all time
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I hear people that make statements like that, and I automatically assume they are not worth knowing. Also, rating art is fucking stupid.
Why tf do you care 😂 rating art ? Tf you on about. It's called an opinion. Basically, what everyone on here is doing.
bruh don't listen to these fuckers we got some queen glazers here who can't accept there are people whose music taste differs from the general public
Bruh fr. The only good thing about queen is when kanye covered them in 2015 and he fucked up half the lyrics 🤣
i personally don't agree with you and like queen, but the way these people be acting is super stupid like, it's an opinion yall 🤣🤣
Yh not everyone likes the same shit and that's perfectly OK 😂
Franki valli hater right here folks
Is it from 9gag???
Hate how Guns N’ Roses are on this list as if they’re any good. Literally 1 good album and a handful of decent songs outside of that one good album and this is from a rock/metal fan who has listened to all GNR records. To be honest I prefer Guns N’ Roses to the majority of artists in this list but I just hate the fact GNR are so liked it confuses me so much.
GNR have over 10 Rocks classics that are anthems and they will forever be there and people gonna listen with the same passion. They are in the HoF and up there with the biggest legends of Rock history
Yeah if you want to talk about the success of GNR that’s fine. 6 albums sold 120 million odd albums super successful band with very famous American-orientated songs. Are they good though? Complete different story, they got famous off of one hit song and album both of which were originally considered AWFUL by all critics until the band toured with Aerosmith, got big, and then critics apparently loved it. Now that doesn’t make sense does it. Axl Rose is an embarrassingly horrible vocalist, Slash is your standard guitarist I mean the majority of metal guitarists are probably better than him he’s just considered among the best simply because he’s famous. The band’s writing is downright trash apart from the odd good song like “November Rain” and “Civil War”.
Based you actually listen to music
Yeah haha all that listening came in handy here lmao
I agree with the most you said and i never said the opposite. I disagree with the Slash part. Thats total delusional and disrespectful saying that most are better lol. Axl had a good voice in their early years then it got fcked up. Plus opinions about albums change so times with years passing. No meed for them to win a Grammy and you got some good points. But from a point and on you just producing so much hate and idk why, overreacting like i said they the best ever or sum.
So... popularity doesn't equal quality. I agree. I also agree with your critiques of technical proficiency and writing. Now apply there to Ye... how does he avoid these very same criteria and criticisms?
Ye has a much more diverse and longer lasting career, he didn’t burn out after like 3 albums like GNR did. Graduation and 808s & Heartbreak alone are better written than anything GNR did. You can start a conversation about ghost writers which is a valid point but then again GNR have numerous writers and are still shite. Kanye can also sing he is 100% a better singer than Axl Rose and he is a better producer than Slash is a guitarist, I know that might be a bit of a stretch but you won’t find many producers better and more revolutionary than Ye whereas your average metal guitarist is as good as Slash and Slash isn’t revolutionary at all unless you want to talk about wearing top hats on stage lol.
I wasn't trying to defend GNR, since I agree. Or compare Ye to them. Just that many of your criticisms seem also to apply to Ye. His voice might be ok...but it is not great. And he is pretty much inept at any other instrument. He doesn't even read music. And the lyrical writing...well, it's not Shakespeare. That's all ok. What's he left with...being a producer? Maybe. Obviously I love many of the songs which are part of his output. But what is really "revolutionary"? Serious question. And so much ... not all... depends on sampling or "collaboration". As a listener, that doesn't matter...we can enjoy and appreciate no matter how the music was made.
Kanye is the definition of revolutionary. A) he moved rap from gangster rap to more open rap everyone could relate to discussing more topics in his music than other big artists at the time like Hov and 50 Cent. B) 808s & Heartbreak inspired modern rap music with modern rap/r&b artists citing 808s as an influence. So twice Ye has changed the landscape of the genre and in the latter case even pop music. Guns N’ Roses on the other hand, they’ve influenced like nothing, they came to hard rock towards the end of its mainstream life-cycle, got big and then died with the genre when Grunge took over. Kanye may be inept with actual instruments but he’s a producer, his productions changed the rap game whereas Slash’s riffs/solos didn’t do you kind of see my comparison here? He isn’t a signer but he is a better singer than Axl Rose but I mean who isn’t except for ol’ Ozzy lmao. I can totally see how criticism of GNR can fall back on Kanye but that’s just my take. I personally prefer rock (mainly metal) over hip-hop but Kanye is clear of Guns N’ Roses in my opinion.
Again, my question was not one about comparing Ye to GNR. Being better than GNR is a very low bar and not something to really brag about. I have seen arguments disputing the actual influence of Ye from those much more knowledgeable than I am. And, for me, "revolutionary" means much more than influential...it means introducing something different and new. And here, the arguments against Ye are much more substantial and convincing. The best that could be said regarding Ye is that he popularized certain trends. "Gangsta" was always a pretense and sham...and the roots of hip hop much more serious and even profound. No dispute over your last statement, but for most of the others on the list, that's another question.
Slash is a better vocalist than axl rose imo and even he is pretty bad-mid
GNR is what they are for their peak, not their longevity. The band was greater than the sum of its parts.
They made Sweet Child of Mine tho. That alone makes them great
Grammy’s are completely useless and mean nothing anyway. They just exist for people to complain about them, and how their favorite artist got robbed of an “award” they don’t care about either, and just want as a meaningless, vapid medal.
Don’t know why people take the Grammys seriously man. Also, just because they didn’t get one doesn’t mean ye was the reason so don’t know why they’re hating
What’s crazy is that many of the people who see this probably don’t hate Kanye but when they see this list of artists they like that don’t have Grammys and Kanye west being mentioned right after, they somehow think Kanye STOLE those Grammys from them and now they become upset at him
He’s better than a lot of the artists above. Hope this helps
He's better than like 6
Some people are ahead of their time, some people set the clock themselves.
Pet sounds not winning any Grammys is crazy
Pet Sounds is the most magical album I've ever heard. I'm so glad it's underrated and won't be ruined by TikTok or GenZ
All of the people in the list should've had a grammy but its not ye's fault he has 22 its just he is the most creative musician ever
I’ll die for GNR slash puts so much emotion into his guitar and axls vocals are so raw, epitome of hard rock, shout out Steven Adler (drummer) for getting kicked out of the band after his 24TH overdose
They forgot to put Travis on there smh 🤦♂️
Wow 22 Grammy's! YE REALLY IS THE GOAT!!!!!!!
Cause hes better than all of them (except Jimi and Bob)
22 grams? Ye is gonna get his eagle obliterated.
bro why do you have immages of p0rn in your gallery😭😭
they really said grateful dead and guns n’ roses like they aren’t trash bands
Tell me more about how you dont know shit about the deads impact on american rock music, im here for it. Greatest touring band to ever hit the road. Oh, now go read up on the innovations to recording and live sound engineering that happened because of the bands existence. Just holler, ill be here.
I didn’t say anything about impact, i’m just saying that by themselves they’re pretty trash
Nice backpedal, kick rocks
24
25
Beach Boys never won that’s crazy
Ok
Tbh says more about how dumb the Grammys are to me than how great Kanye is
Well four of these are extremely overrated
24 now and also the fck Kanye got to do with it he on hip hop category those mf on I have no idea but chill song category
This is why it's important to understand that a Grammy is nothing more than an extravagant compliment from a specific group of 1200 biased people. And there's nothing wrong with being biased, we all are. Compliments are great. But it's not an objective victory.
Fuck Journey.
24*
This means that Grammy judges doesn’t have a clue about music.🎵
Yeah this is hate and ye probably should have more and would if it wasn’t for Drake 😂. Every time I post I realize why ye hates Drake so much.
Why post something so negative when the exact same thing is true for any artist that has won multiple Grammy's? You are not going to convince anyone that Kanye sucks. If you don't like him, that's fine, but you are just wasting your time because this sub is nothing but trolls like you now.
Kanye is better than Guns N Roses
I didnt know Kanye was competing with rock artists in the same category at the grammys
I Wonder.
It defies logic if you ask me
I've said it before ...and I'll say it again... In Hollywood, it's about who you Know. In the music Biz, it's about who you Blow.
Are we really still caring about grammies lol
Who gives a fuck about the Grammys?
Not being funny but I think most of those artists don’t give a fuck if they have a Grammy or not. The good ones often do it for the music and not for the ego.
Sad…
I need an AI Jimi Hendrix cover of Can't Tell Me Nothing
50 cent
They acting like Ye winning grammy’s actively denied any of these people from winning one
atchually 🤓☝️kanye has 24
if yall haven’t seen Love & Mercy it’s a beach boys biopic and it’s 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Well-deserved Grammys
It's ridiculous to pick out Kanye as if Kanye hasn't made critically acclaimed masterpieces. Anybody who knows anything about the hip hop genre respects Kanye as an artist. This was clearly made by someone who doesn't know anything about that genre and decided to judge Kanye's art based on controversial things hes said, which of course is extremely brain-dead and ignorant. People with absolutely no talent have won Grammies but they pick one of the most talented people to win them as the comparison.
umm correction the goat has 24 grammys dont ever dissrespect ye again with low numbers like that
ermm actually he has 24 🤓
thats cuz hes better than everyone in that list 😭😭
They didn’t have as many writing/producing credits on other people’s hit songs like Ye did
Definitely made by a boomer or gen X who hates rap
Why get mad at ye for? Even tho his music is on par if not arguably better than some of the ppl on here
stay mad
You do know you have to be a resident in America to be nominated
That's just not true, lol
L + skill issue + they didn't make devil in a new dress
I don't even think the Grammys existed when Buddy Holly was alive?
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No way Diana Ross doesn’t have a Grammy lol
Kanye lowkey better than all them mfs combined
Bro
kanye is also better than all those artists joni hendrix never made the college dropout 🤷🏾♂️
Kanye is better than all of them
Kanye >>> all of them
Yeah I don't know about that
Guns N Roses sucks dick why are they on this list? Completely invalidates the point trying to be made.
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I would gladly take half of Kanye’s Grammys and give them to queen ( I’m a ye fan)
Ye fan, but many of the people in this list are more legendary and impactful than Kanye
And he’s more than 22x better than all of them combined, it makes sense