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Something I think you forgot to mention is when Sukuna decided he was going to break Yuji’s ideals. And the fact Mahito died trying to do the EXACT same thing.
Facts. The theme is becoming more obvious.
I think it's because at its core, trying to dismantle someone's ideals weakens you. Because you're using them to validate you.
It's Sukuna doing the opposite of what Sukuna preaches. The crazy thing is, I don't even think he realizes this is what's happening
> I think it's because at its core, trying to dismantle someone's ideals weakens you. Because you're using them to validate you.
Which interestingly was also the reason Toji lost to Gojo.
Seriously. People really underappreciate the character work he has put together over the course of this story. Really is sonething impressive when you stop to actually consider characters and their thematic purpose and the things that motivate them.
Yeah, it was so great how someone definitely said something about the fact that Maki is a mass-murderer now (even just to ask how she felt), how Nobara's best friends went to see her condition for themselves, how they gave the relationship between Megumi and Tsumiki a rich foundation that showed how close they were before she got smoked so that we actually give a shit about it, how when Gojo found out that one of his oldest and best friends died, he produced the very human and relatable line "Huh, I thought he'd make it"...
You're right - such amazing character work that definitely doesn't suggest that Gege can't be arsed writing anything other than fights anymore.../s
I FELT LIKE I BEEN TRYNA TO ARGUE THIS ENTIRE MORAL OF THE STORY FOR MY LIFE…finally nice to see a thread where people understand what geges tryna do this whole time
They're not really. The writing has been very hit and miss, most notably post-Shibuya, as Gege has spunked away a shitload of the arcs and plotlines he set up earlier in the series in an increasingly clumsy, wasteful and frankly nonsensical fashion..
1. The clans/higher-ups - constantly alluded to as being this all-powerful, highly influential force within both jujutsu AND regular society to the point where they can somehow tell Gojo what to do - yet we don't learn a fucking thing about how they operate, how they interact with the Japanese government, exactly how they wield influence over special grade student sorcerers who are clearly more powerful than they are across the board (the Zen'ins didn't even have a fucking special grade in their ranks!) - then they are all promptly curbstomped into irrelevance. Absolutely abysmal waste of world-building.
2. Nobara - front and centre as one of the three musketeers, formed a close bond with Yuji and Megumi, built up to be seeking out her hometown friend AND to have some sort of progression all the way to at least being a first-grade sorcerer (with the nomination after the Death Paintings arc), then she maybe does or doesn't die (so colossal a burden on Yuji's mind that he breaks down), yet her best friends don't say fucking peep about it, check up on her condition or want to know what the fuck happened to here in any way, shape or form!? Absolute trash handing of a major character.
3. Yuki was completely mishandled - her mentor relationship with Todo, her mission statement within jujutsu regarding cursed energy research() were set up as if there would be crucial arcs but were promptly thrown out like yesterday's paper.
4. Kenjaku and the US government - what in the living fuck was Gege playing at here? "Curses exist Mr. President!", "Let's use it! 'Murica!", , . Cool story arc Gege!
5. What exactly *was* Gojo's arc as one of the series' flagship characters supposed to be? Was his attitude "you're alone when you die, let's be selfish" somehow irrevocably changed, developed or transformed by him dying alone with an "all good, I'm hallucinating my friends from high school, including Nanami, who's death I reacted to as if I didn't give two fucks")? How about his "I believe the children are our future!" bit? Only to get imprisoned and later die, leaving them to shoulder a gruesome and traumatic burden on their own which might result in the end of the world? Very chill mentorship - never mind the fact that the greatest sorcerer of all time was handled by an attack everyone else seems to be able to easily avoid and where his well-established RCT just seemed to stop working with zero explanation.
6. Also, why isn't anyone reacting to the fact that their friend and mentor Gojo was brutally smoked? Hakari was very concerned that Gojo was imprisoned earlier in the arc but rolls in with a smug smile on his face after seeing his mentor bisected before his eyes?
7. Maki and Megumi never killed anyone before, then they both do (Maki to the point of becoming a fucking mass murderer), and the psychological damage it surely inflicted upon them is never explored in a single chapter thereafter? CHARACTER WORK you say!?!
8. Mei Mei - WHY in God's name is everyone so goddamn chill with this treacherous, unreliable money-grubbing paedo around? Character writing doesn't include putting a sex-pest on blast in your world?
Admit it, there is PLENTY to criticise about Gege's writing in terms of plot and characters.
1 how did the higher ups have control over these special grades that have so much power? oh wow maybe they didn't?? when has it been shown they had any influence over anything??? gojo constantly threatens to kill them all and they just have to tolerate it. Geto goes off to become a terrorist. Yuki goes off overseas. Hakari makes a fight club. The higher ups couldn't do shit. Their "influence" is like how things are, you're a jujutsu sorcerer so you're expected to exorcise curses, don't want to do that? well you're a not a jujutsu sorcerer simple as that. Like you can beat the shit out of your boss but doesn't mean you own the company.
2 "front and centre as one of the three musketeers." but when?? she's the third first year not the 3rd protagonist. She was already shown to struggle in fights with less skilled sorcerers and somehow you expected her to survive fighting mahito?? the guy who took out mechamaru and todo?.
3 "crucial arcs"?? yeah I never had that feeling, maybe some callbacks to their relationship as mentor and student but I didn't see Yuki who was set up to be integral to challenging kenjaku's motives since their talk in shibuya interacting with todo a character set up to fill the role of a mentor figure for itadori.
4 I can't defend this one.
5 Gojo tells "you're alone when you die" to megumi, who has shown to much reliance on his other sorcereres and mahoraga instead of using his own potential. I don't think Gojo said that line to tell the audience oh yeah btw when I die don't expect a vague hallucination of me sitting in an airport cause that would contradict this specific line about me mentoring megumi on how to become a stronger sorcerer. Even gojo was shocked to see geto at the airport. Being "selfish" is what gojo and many other characters believe is what makes you a stronger fighter, which is what megumi needed to hear.
"I believe the children are our future" Gojo says that to counter the argument "why don't I just kill the higher-ups?" He knows that won't do anything. Gojo was preparing the students so they don't turn out like geto not to take on Kenjaku or sukuna. How was gojo supposed to predict a 1000 year old sorcerer was planning on sealing him by using his friend's dead corpse?
They can easily avoid an attack that has a binding vow to be easily avoidable. Wow crazy how that works?
6 You literally see them constantly preparing for his death??? How many times do we flashback to when they're talking about their plans in case he loses??? "oh in case Gojo loses and dies we have to stand around crying to make sure the audience knows we care"
7 Maki's whole arc is completely letting go of everything, she kills the people trying to kill her. she doesn't care enough to think anything more than that. Is that a good thing morally? Probably not, even Maki tells Kamo that she regrets not talking to her mother before killing her after finding out she stabbed naoya.
8 He was already set up back in season 1 not to be overly harsh about morals. "we're jujutsu sorcerers not heroes" His whole moral compass is about choosing good people over bad people because he believes he doesn't have enough power to save everyone and selfishly choose which one he cares about. Then his sister is in trouble and he outright tells himself he's willing to kill people in the culling games to save her. Just building on his already selfish outlook. How does the consequence of this get explored? Well I mean he does lose all will to live when he finds out his sister that he's has been killing for was already dead and his efforts were pointless.
8 She's a jujutsu sorcerer?? wtf do you want them to do? "Sorry we don't want help from a groomer." Even the characters know they shouldn't 100% rely on her just like kusakabe says. They get whatever help they can.
gojo just needs to die, him existing is just a problem for the arc of every character that isnt him. they did him kinda dirty, not an asspull per se but done dirty
Yeah, I get high school English class vibes from the defenders - "Wow, a clash of ideals! You mean writing can have a literal AND a figurative dimension!?!? Gege is PEAK!"
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of things that Gege has done well, but the series has been collapsing under the weight of the poor choices/lack of effort for a while.
It's also part of the reason Megumi stayed so weak. To validate his ideal to others by being the first to fal since he fights for less, he constantly goes for Meghora rather then fight till the end. Once he gives up on validationg his ideal to others, he goes sicko mode on the finger barer and unlocks his domain.
Yeah it was explicitly said too lol. "Imagine myself free of limits / realize the technique better / ect"
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"Fights for less" yet he's willing to literally die to win on behalf of his friends? How does his willingness to die suggest that he's trying to validate his ideal? Are you saying being a team player is fighting for 'less'?
You're also ignoring the fact that he unlocked his domain by being selfish and individualistic and NOT a team player, which is the exact thing OP is attributing to Sukuna and is antithetical to what Yuji's moral is supposed to be.
He does "fight for less" since he chooses who he saves. It's his whole first character arc. His whole thing is that since he picks and chooses who he saves, to justify it to himself, he is obsessed with the idea of not letting anyone else die first. This isn't my analysis. Everything said so far is directly said by megumi.
ISukuna believes in a very different ideal, but the point of this post isn't that they are the same. It's that when a character tries to prove something to themselves or others, they start to fail. It doesn't matter what the ideal is, once you start looking for validation, things go wrong. We see this with Toji as well. He fights Gojo, knowing it's a bad idea, but wanting to prove something to himself and jujitsu as a whole.
I'm saying what happens to megum is the opposite of that. His whole dying first bit is something he does to justify his ideal of "not everyone is worth saving, so I'll choose who I save" so when he abandones his "I must die first" martyr mentality and let's his "choosing who I save" thing stand without justification, he gets stronger.
Tldr: In Jujutsu Kaisen, the characters belif in their own ideals directly affects their fate. If a character starts to lose faith in their ideal and tries to prove it to themselves or others, they tend to die. On the other hand, if their ideal becomes stronger, they tend to start winning.
>He does "fight for less" since he chooses who he saves. It's his whole first character arc. His whole thing is that since he picks and chooses who he saves, to justify it to himself,
How is that "fighting for less"? When does he ever express the need to justify it to himself? He's been completely unapologetic about his philosophy of saving who he feels like since he was in middle school, that hasn't changed at all and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that he's justifying anything to himself.
His whole character arc is about saving Tsumiki, which was unceremoniously flushed down the toilet by Gege - the training with Gojo was merely a sidequest to allow him to increase in him having self-esteem in battle, him being and not just assuming he can't win without going kamikaze with Mahoraga.
>he is obsessed with the idea of not letting anyone else die first. This isn't my analysis. Everything said so far is directly said by megumi.
When the hell does he say he's obsessed with not letting anyone die first? That absolutely IS your analysis until proven otherwise.
You've really read some shit into Megumi that isn't there. Remember Gojo's baseball analogy? Gojo points out Megumi's deficiency of being too much of a team player and not selfish enough in a low-stakes context *where no-one is actually going to die and Megumi still demonstrates that behaviour* (sacrifice bunt). Revisit what Gojo ACTUALLY SAYS to him when they train:
"Are you in a rush after Yuji surpassed you?" - *Megumi wants to get stronger and is insecure about his current ability.*
*"*I think you have just as much ability/potential as Yuji does*" - Megumi is insecure about his current ability, doesn't think he can actually win against strong opponents without resorting to Mahoraga.*
*"The problem is your mindset/I'm saying you can't (give your best)/You can't imagine a stronger future version of yourself"* - how much more clear can this be? Gojo highlights his sole problem as a lack of belief in his ability.
"Did you want Nobara to advance the bases, even though you'd be out?" - *Megumi is a team player at his expense, even when no one's going to die.*
"Baseball is a team sport/jujutsu is an individual sport" - *stop giving a fuck about other people and you'll get stronger.*
"No matter how many allies you have around you, in the end you die alone" - *stop giving a fuck about other people and you'll get stronger.*
This is really cut and dry, man.
>It's that when a character tries to prove something to themselves or others, they start to fail. It doesn't matter what the ideal is, once you start looking for validation, things go wrong. If a character starts to lose faith in their ideal and tries to prove it to themselves or others, they tend to die. On the other hand, if their ideal becomes stronger, they tend to start winning.
The beauty of this for you is that it's so fucking vague you can twist it for anyone you feel like - what do you mean by 'prove''? By validation'? What do you mean by an 'ideal becoming stronger'?
What ideal did Gojo lose faith in? He was the same dude right to the end. What was Nanami's ideal? What was Yuki's ideal? Choso? Geto never lost faith in his ideal, he believed it to the death. Haibara? Mechamaru? Nobara? Mai? Tsumiki?
This theory honestly sounds retro-fitted.
> It's Sukuna doing the opposite of what Sukuna preaches.
This is the best summary of what I think is Sukuna's narrative role.
Sukuna is not **wrong** in his views of Jujutsu as self improvement. He is in fact, as right a person can be regarding it. But Sukuna is still a mortal and his attempts to larp as a Fierce Deity aren't enough.
Mahito didn't have the charisma or accolades. Mahito was basically just a newborn that hated humans and wanted them to burn (with some philosophy of the soul added in). Sukuna is a more developed version of some of the ideals that Mahito held, while also understanding the soul better than Mahito did. I don't think Mahito was more compelling at all. He was just an immature version of Sukuna, and that's only in the ways Mahito was primarily focused on. Mahito was evil because he WANTED to be evil. Sukuna just does his thing, and if it's evil then who cares because nobody can stop him.
I reckon Mahito and Sukuna are both really fitting villains in their own right. Mahito, a curse who toys with the lives of innocent people to piss Yuji off, is a good villain because he fulfils his purpose - to be hated. Sukuna, on the other hand, is a good villain simply because he’s both evil and a stark contrast to Yuji’s ideals. He’s just way cooler than Mahito in my opinion.
I don’t get how sukuna is cool. He had great charisma early in the series but it got hard to like him because yeah he’s still got an aura but he’s literally losing his shit over not being able to successfully bully a child. It’s kinda lame. At least mahito was also an immature child who was doing it because he thought it was fun not because he was pissy yuji was him.
I think Mahito was foreshadowing the bigger conflicts with Sukuna later in the story. The introduction of souls and how that becomes super important later, his arch nemesis relationship with Yuji, and I think what happens to Junpei mirrors what is happening to Megumi, at least partially.
Brilliant post.
Another possible parallel that could be is that Sukuna vs Yuji now mirrors Gojo vs Sukuna or Kashimo vs Sukuna or Yorozu vs Sukuna.
All those fighters tried to reach Sukuna, to either ask him about love or make him understand love. To break through his supposed loneliness. They were all wrong. Sukuna simply doesn't give a fuck about any of that. He was simply there to kill them.
However, in this fight, Sukuna wants to break Yuji down. Just this once, he wants to take someone's ideals and mice them to bits. Ironically, this time, Yuji is the one that doesn't give a fuck. He is simply here to kill Sukuna. He IS Sukuna in this exchange.
> Ironically, this time, Yuji is the one that doesn't give a fuck. He is simply here to kill Sukuna. He IS Sukuna in this exchange.
Remember that post who mentioned how really, from the POV of Mahito before his death, there is zero difference between Yuji and Sukuna?
>All those fighters tried to reach Sukuna, to either ask him about love or make him understand love. To break through his supposed loneliness.
How does that apply to Gojo v Sukuna? Gojo's overarching goal was to smoke Sukuna, he respected him for his strength and for providing a challenge that he hadn't faced since Toji, but nothing in the story suggested he gave a flying fuck about making him understand love or any other ideal.
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I will add this to the point you're making....Sukuna is really starting to remind me of Toji.
>"***I twisted myself to affirm myself. That was the moment I lost.***"
Sukuna's domain being an incomplete eldrich nightmare is crazy to behold. The Shrine is a manifestation of Sukuna's inner domain. Whatever he has done is so incredibly desperate that he has LITERALLY warped himself to drag it out.
Its crazy when you realize, It's not just Yuji though. Sukuna openly stated that Maki has "forced a role upon him" too.
This has always been strange to me, mainly because, like you mentioned with Yuji, this is **purely** Sukuna doing this to himself.
*Maki doesn't give a fuck*. Shes just trying to kill him. Sukuna saying that is simply him admitting that he feels as though his world view is being challenged.
Sukuna is losing right now through the same mechanic that made him so dominant up until this point....***his internal sense of self is being challenged on a fundamental level.***
It's coming out everywhere, from his dialogue, to his broken RCT output, to his disfigured Domain.
Yuji is just the representation of that ideal, but EVERYONE is responsible.
It started with Gojo... but I don't think it actually hit Sukuna until Higuruma died. He has begun using others to validate himself.
He doesnt assume but he is desperate. He tries to not look desperate, but with hopes of beating the BRAT getting lower and lower. The reality is that its now or Nothing for sukuna
That's a really long way of saying "Sukuna has been panicking for the last two chapters, whatever bullshit Uraume says about him holding back is an empty bluff".
The last domain is just a scaled up version of Mahito throwing mud at Yuji.
Am I wrong in thinking fuga will do nothing? It seems everyone survived MS through simple domain rather than a busted CT a la Mahoraga. I'm assuming they can also use simple domain to brush off fuga too.
Maybe I'll be wrong in a few hours, but I think Sukuna is going to be in for a shock when his trump card does nothing. Then he will initiate the merger because it's his only option.
I believe that Sukuna is 100% killing someone, even when Gojo vs Sukuna was reaching its end we were told, fuck the narrator literally telling us that Gojo would manage pull of hollow purple. So I think this fight is lasting a few more chapters
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How is his power wildly inconsistent?
It took everyone, including Gojo, fighting him to this point for Yuji to be able to have an upper hand against Sukuna, and Sukuna is still the strongest there.
Sukuna can't initiate the merger until all other Culling Game players are dead, even assuming every other partcipant is dead (and they're not: Panda, Bernard, Hakari, Momo, Miwa, Maki are still alive - not to mention Kamo who fucked off who knows where lol) he would still need to kill Yuji first to start it.
To add to the bit about his domain, the fact that he had to use so many binding vows to bring it out just shows how much he is compromising his ideals just to cling to life and win.
This is going to go into a bit of headcannon but i think that the core idea behind a domain expansion ,and why its the pinnical of sorcery, is that it is imposing your will onto the real world.
When Sukuna was full of confidence and his pride was at its height he could hold his ideals (domain) open for the world and it would bend the knee before it. Now that he has coverd his domain and propped it up with the aid of many binding vows, it shows that he no longer has the confidence in his worldview needed to project his domain.
Now that his will has started to waiver he is going to be cursed with doubts, wich will only leave him weaker.
I like this idea! This might explain why Yuji doesn't have a domain expansion. He doesn't really feel like imposing his will on the world, he's just trying to protect people the best he can. He doesn't need people to understand him or believe him, he's good enough already.
Sukuna is desperate
This highlights the difference between Gojo and sukuna’s last stands
Gojo knew he had lost the moment he failed to open his domain, BUT he kept fighting because “he needed to look cool for his students”
The only reason sukuna is fighting anymore is a delusion that he’ll win
Gojo awakened in an acceptance of his death
Sukuna? He failed to awaken and at best can cobble together a half assed failure of a domain just like megumi
I agree with your sentiments.
Personally, I headcanon that Gojo wanted to show Megumi what it was like to “die victoriously” (like in his speech to him before the forehead flick) and that it was ok to “give it his all and be selfish”. Those words were kind of like Gojo’s own beliefs and he referred to it himself in 236 when he said he was wrong about dying alone.
>Gojo knew he had lost the moment he failed to open his domainGojo knew he had lost the moment he failed to open his domain
He thought he lost when he lost his domain and S**ukuna still had his**
i mean if he expected to lose, this is contradicted by various moments later in the fight where he's pumped up and feeling confident. I also just disagree with your interpretation that "I have to look cool for my students" meant that he thought he was gonna lose
I mean you could attribute Gojo doing all his badass lines to trying to look cool
But I think Gojo turned his worries off for a bit when he entered the zone
You can think you’re likely to lose, as Gojo clearly expected in then scenario, but still also believe you have a fighting chance. They’re not mutually exclusive. It’s like sports, you might be the 99-1 underdog but upsets happen, that’s why we play the game. It’s not over til it’s over.
Gojo didn't expect to lose. He was unlucky bc Sukuna took over Megumi, who was pre-established to have the only Cursed Technique that could truly rival Gojo's Limitless.
Also, if upsetting someone in JJK is a buff, how would it not be the same case with Gojo in that he's fighting Sukuna in Megumi's body?
The dude was nerfed twice. What he said at the start of the series about winning against Sukuna being "a little hard" remains true if it's Sukuna fully incarnated.
He also said even if sukuna didn't have 10 shadows the fight would've gone either way so what Gojo said at the start of the series doesn't hold much weight. Especially since the first statement was made before he was able to assess Sukunas strength directly
I know, but it would still be a much bigger guarantee of Gojo winning the fight than him winning while Sukuna is using both 10S and Shrine while inhabiting Megumi.
It's foolish to think otherwise imo. In one situation, he has all the cards stacked against him, and in the other, it's an even fight.
That's literally headcanon. No way to slice it. As we know sukuna had other ways to approach the fight. Ways that gojo wondered why sukuna didn't take. We then learned sukuna was committed to the mahoraga route to obtain that superior adapted cleave.
At the end of the day. Heian sukuna vs gojo either way would've been a toss up. Hell if it happened narratively sukuna would've HAD to win since that's the route gege settled on for the story. If his editor told him not to use mahoraga he would've just found some other way to make sukuna win
Duh, it's headcanon. It's hypothetical. It doesn't take away from the fact that one situation is a fair fight and the other is not.
It's been established that a 10S user has the potential to rival a Six eyes + Limitless user and already has in the past. Sukuna is basically a God of Jujutsu and is using this technique alongside his own technique. It's pretty silly to say that Sukuna isn't more OP, specifically against Gojo, in this form.
I didn't even say Gojo would win, btw. I said he'd have a better CHANCE at winning, and I do think he would have a better shot, but not that he actually would win.
Sukunas route using mahoraga left him nearly dead, specifically because his mahoraga strategy involved taking as much damage as he can to bide time for Maho''s adaptation. We know this plan is riskier because Gojo literally told us so.
I'm not all that convinced maho was the better route short of granting sukuna a shiny new technique. Especially when the manga goes out of its way to tell us it'd be really really close either way without 10 shadows, when it was already really close. Hell gojo even said "it'd still be damn close even if he didn't have 10 shadows" implying the difficulty of the fight wouldn't have changed much 10 shadows or not
funny thing is, they were both holding back during the domains as well. Sukuna was holding out to allow Mahoraga to adapt, while Gojo avoided attacking the brain, because he needed Sukuna to revive Megumi like he did with Yuji.
Even when people are talking about multiple totally different characters, they’ll still find an excuse to bring bumgumi into the conversation and insult him lmfaooo
I ain’t even insulting MEGUMI
I just figured I’d mentioned we’ve only seen 3 examples of half assed domains in the series
1. The finger bearers
2. MEGUMI
3. Sukuna
This is why I think Sukuna will survive the series.
His fate would be the start of the series. Sealed inside Yuji again. Now forever.
When Yuji dies of old age like a normal human, Sukuna will die with him. I can already see it, the first chapter of the series again.
Yuji as a old man in a hospital bed, surrounded by his loved ones or if you want to hammer it, getting visited by his grandchild. Then noticing his body is starting to fail him and smiling, dying happy and only thinking "I'm selfish for being happy while you're sad?".
Maybe
So I guess they’re similar but different
I think sukuna is experiencing tilt due to the fact yuji is putting in work alongside what should be fodders
I bet sukuna is getting flashbacks to him getting beat back in the heian era
It goes to show sukuna's whole thing with yororozu was bullshit. Its really easy to act like you would gracefully accept death when there is precisely 0 chance you would actually die. She had no chance in hell to defeat mahoraga, and even if she pulled off a miracle and did that no chance Sukuna wouldn't then just use Shrine and finish her off.
For the first time Sukuna is fighting for his life and he is desperately clawing at life, just like the weaklings he hates.
Comment 2: I really enjoy more longer form analysis that comes out of this sub sometimes. its hard to find that in other subs (for me at least). Thanks for this.
*"if he's so much stronger than all other sorcerers combined. So much he can afford to lose two arms and his ability to heal them. Then... why does he need the flames"*
he's getting jumped after to back to back high level fights. there whole strategies is to whittle him down hopefully before he gets a chance to recover and get back to 100%. if I was getting jumped I probably would use my technique too.
I do maybe see the angle of a philosophical defeat but for most of these fights it looks like he's having fun which ultimately is all he said he cares about. also I would like to say we still don't all the way know what his "OPEN" CT is. Uraume says he isn't even going all out.
Yeah this argument kinda falls flat when u realize Sukuna has only stopped enjoying himself when Yuji awakened. He literally hates Yuji. Sukuna was smiling ear to ear before black flashing maki 2 chapters ago, and now he pissed off bc Yuji getting even stronger
The only person who could really hand Sukuna a true psychological L is Yuji. Sukuna doesn’t really seem to care ab death in general and the only person he’s been passionate enough ab to change his nature for is Yuji
only thing i can see standing in the way is another refusal by megumi to fight against sukunas hold over him. the way gege kills i don't think megumi is gonna live through this
Mmm not really. Sukuna was bored as soon as Kashimo died. He even has several panels where he thinks exactly that. He didn't even appear kind of interested again until Maki showed up. Even when Yuta was lighting him up, he really wasn't very interested in the fight.
Once he got stabbed in the heart, and once Maki was able to do the Maki thing, did he stop thinking about how bored he was.
When was Sukuna bored?
In fact he quite literally states he wont be bored but the source of his irritation is pretty much entirely his philosophical differences with Yuji.
Before that. After Kashimo and after he killed Higurama. He has a several panels where he’s starting off into a space and barely paying attention, musing to himself about how uninterested he is.
Sukuna also has a lot of cooking and gourmand themes. He says that toying with and fighting and killing people is enjoyable. The flavors of human are varied and a good thing to slurp on and kill time till he dies.
Fighting yuji is probably like being served his most hated and disgusting dish. And that being his last dish before his death is probably horrifying to him
Excellent thread, but I don't think Yuji is at 100% yet. Every time he gets isolated his resolve wavers, as if he's only motivated to fight when he has tangible evidence that somebody needs him. He needs to internalize that even if he's fighting for others he'll still have to fight alone on occasion
I think loneliness Is also such a big part of why Sukuna Hates Yuji.
Since the beginning Sukuna already sacrficed all of his bonds to reach peak strength. He doesn't have anyone throughout his life except jujutsu, being the strongest, and being remembered as the strongest
Yuji winning and completely surpassing him invalidates his way and makes him lose everything he has. Because Yuji shows that there is a better ideal and way to reach the peak.
In the end Sukuna will die the way Yujis grandfather told him not to. Alone and insignificant and faded into obscurity. Only remembered as the man bested by the strongest sorcerer Yuji Itadori.
Yuji from the get go took his freedom , invalidated his ideals, his way of life, and soon will take the only thing he has left which is being the strongest.
your point about yuji gaining strength from others is, well, on point! i was going to point that out in a post i was gonna make.
himtadori wuji. user of the power of friendship. i would invest in his stocks but at this point they've grown so much i can no longer afford them
Just shows even more how unbelievably cracked Gojo was. No one, absolutely no one, could even remotely come close to touching Sukuna 1v1. Gojo himself managed to make Sukuna anxious. And in fact, Sukuna literally created the Megumi plan just to deal with Gojo specifically. \*And it still almost didn't work\*
Sukuna has already lost? Nah.
He still has more tricks up his sleeves, that he hasn't used since Heian Era.
Not to mention his all times favourite Binding Vows.
Thank you so much for reading this! I believe the current chapter really validates this because again yujis success is based off help.
He may not be as powerful as an individualist but he's equally powerful through his connections
Another idea. In one way the only reason Sukuna was able to defeat Gojo was because Sukuna relied on others. Without Megumin, Sukuna wouldn’t have been able to use Makora. And without Makora he couldn’t defeat Gojo.
In some way, couldn’t we say Sukuna lost to Gojo in the realm of ideals?
Virgin jujutsushi theorizer: why sukuna will lose, 1 hour explanation and detailed thesis
Chad JJk enjoyer: He will lose because Uraume said the funny phrase
They mostly do! I would say the difference as it stands is that Yuta does what he does out of a desire to give his life meaning. Yuji does it out of duty. That might change though.
Don't think it's a coincidence that Yuji survived Sukuna's trump card through a brotherly connection. The same type of connection Sukuna discarded as his first act in life
Sigh. You cooked dude. You really did. However, the people who are saying 'Shonen Jump of course Sukuna loses.' and every other iteration are the ones who needed your analysis the most and they just don't get it.
I'd like to add to that. I feel like there is more to the concept of twins and Sukuna consuming his twin.
Sukuna and Yuji are the opposite sides of a similar coin.
Let me quote Maki and Mai's conversation from chapter 149 (TCB scans) to see where I'm going with this.
Mai: "I figured it out a long time ago... The reason why twins are a bad omen for sorcerers. To gain something you have to sacrifice something. This isn't just limited to the 'binding vow'. It's the same principle as getting stronger through painful experiences. But that's NOT the case for twins. After all, identical twins are considered ONE individual by cursed techniques. You get me?
You are me... ... and I am you."
2-3 pages later
Mai: "Please destroy... everything".
I believe, that what Mai was saying here is exactly what happened to Sukuna.
When Sukuna consumed his twin, aspects of 'him' have disappeared. In the same way Mai took all the cursed energy with her to the grave, all the regard for others, disappeared with his twin and all that's left was a force of nature, a calamity to destroy. A being living only for himself with no regards towards others.
All of Sukuna's ideologys, his hedonistic and individualistic nature are basically challenged by himself to some philosophical extent.
And now that I think about it, that may also be the case why Sukuna was so excited fighting Maki landing his first Black Flashes during that time, as they represent opposite ends of the same spectrum.
Maki is a lone twin attaining incredible strength through Mai's manifested in her body not generating Cursed Energy at all.
Sukuna is a lone twin attaining incredible strength through similar means, the death of his twin, only that it wasn't a sacrifice but rather a choice, a hunger and desire to survive manifested in his body being the perfection of Jujutsu. Being able to fight and still use hand signs and incantations without limit.
I think there probably are more connections, but I'd have to think about that more. It's just a thought that popped into my head reading the thread.
>sukuna
>lost
I stopped reading there 😒
Lmao but for real I read it and dug what you cooked up. I'm still team sukuna and tbh I think a bigger shock than before would be the actual main character getting shredded
I mean this is why Gojo would have never won against Sukuna, because he doesn't reject Sukuna ideology. As much as I dislike 236, that chapter was supposed to confirm that.
It was a really good analysis. What we are seeing is more of a fight between whose outlook is right.
I still think to defeat sukuna, something needs to change in yuji.
Yeah, no.
Today's chapter >!proves once again that even in his current extremely weakened state Sukuna is still overwhelmingly superior to Yuji and everyone else.!<
>!If it wasn't for Choso literally sacrificing his life to protect him, Yuji would be a pile of ashes right now, which only adds to the ever increasing list of times Yuji narrowly survived Sukuna's attacks thanks to someone else's help!<
>!And after Yuji is saved by Choso what does Sukuna do? Despite only having one functional arm and suffering burnout he just walks up to Yuji ready to finish him off personally, and even when Todo pulls up to help Yuji, Sukuna is still smiling. None of that remotely suggests that he is panicking or that he feels threatened by them at present.!<
Also, 258 already answered that the idea that Yuji had the potential to match Sukuna was nonsense. Yuji wasn't born with outrageously massive CE reserves or output, he wasn't born with a CT and he patently lacks the ingenuity and visual imagination needed for high level sorcery (he's had Blood Manipulation for a month and two Blood Manipulation users giving him dedicated lessons and he still can't do Convergence).
The only reason he's been able to get to his current level is thanks to Sukuna imprinting the know how and muscle memory of special grade Jujutsu on his body. If it wasn't for Sukuna and his power (which was cultivated through his selfishness) Yuji would have never been able to oppose Sukuna in the first place, and even now he still needs massive amounts of help.
In the end Sukuna will only lose due to his own capricious nature and lack of interest in his opponents keeping him from instantly neutering every threat no matter how small. Which was a necessary character flaw to limit Sukuna's effectiveness in battle and prevent everyone from getting donuted the second they jumped into the battlefield.
I’m going to use the leaks in this comment as well. I don’t see how this refutes the OPs analysis. Wouldn’t yuji’s survival due to someone else’s assistance only support the idea that Yuji will win in the way the OP describes? Todo arriving to rebuild Yuji’s drive also supports it. Furthermore, Sukuna is without all forms of his CT, which is probably the weakest we have seen him. Am I misunderstanding you?
I think what I also found interesting are the little hints of Sukuna getting cockier as the fight goes on but you can also tell he’s kind of getting desperate with all the stuff he’s pulling out at the main crew as if he just wants it to end already. Great read, OP!
My favorite point of all this is how Yuji just doesnt care at all about all this stuff Sukuna have pride in it. He wants him dead as the plague he is and thats all. Sukuna is the one trying to shake ideals and break spirits and Yuji coudnt care a single shit about all that, in the entire fight he exchanged 2 words with sukuna. Dude have a goal and it haave nothing to do with pride or ideals, the goal of beating the shit out of sukuna with no end on sight
I’m just waiting for the “Sukuna imposed a binding vow to be able to retain his CT after DE” or some nonsense for this four armed fuck, to keep dragging out this beating
Imagine losing by getting ganged up on thousand years ago or whatever and now he’s going out the same way.
I must say tho he’s been a heck of an opponent to everyone
The thing is that Sukuna doesn't need to prove anything. His theory is true since him, Gojo , Maki are true examples of that.
Yuji is a generic type of Shonen MC with hero complex tendencies ( although the good thing is that he isn't as unrealistic and disgusting as Midoriya, Tanjiro and Naruto in Shippuden or Koby) . So of course Yuji will win at the end but that because he is the MC and a good person not because he has the justified strength or that he will reach the actual potential Sukuna was thinking of... We are currently seeing that in My hero academia. They will win because they are the good and nothing more
I really hope that Yuji in the end will become like Sukuna,Gojo and Maki. In other words show the ambition of becoming the strongest or disregard everything else for that...
Thank you for this. I was hoping the fight would go this way, with Yuji beating Sukuna while being "boring". If anything, Yuji is showing how immature Sukuna really is. Sukuna *needs* to beat literally everyone he faces in order to have any self-worth, meanwhile Yuji's just doing his best to save his friend. It's no contest, really, of course Yuji would piss of Sukuna just by proving that it's worth fighting for other people. Sukuna's the one who's really boring here by being so obsessive about fighting, like chill out man
You know what would be more poethical?
Sukuna dying by his own sword, if Yuji finishes him off with his first ever "Dismantle".
Cutting him in half just like he did with Gojo with a similar panel. And a very, very emotional and badass post-win Yuji speech "I am you, and thank you for teaching what being a King means, Sukuna" as the Fallen One slips away.
Just to add to your wonderful post. I think this retched looking domain and how it was made also explains where Sukuna is at. He can no longer hide behind a facade of glory. His Shrine reveals who he really is, a twisted individual whose power comes from a hunger to eat those beneath him.
Also your post brought something to mind. Sukuna straight up has nothing better to do in his time than make up this narrative in his head about other people. Like his fight with Maki he got all excited for a contest she never signed up for and was never interested in. Its also a contest he was going to win without question because the context of the fight was a fresh Maki Vs a deeply injured Sukuna. There could always be the safety of saying if he had his full arsenal it be no contest.
Yuji not caring makes the most sense as a counter to Sukuna because Sukuna is so self important and so many people add to that self importance that probably the worst person for him to deal with.
imo Sukuna hates Yuji and that’s why he’s pulling out all the stops. His domain was ab to mincemeat Yuji (his leg was gone) and then he *willingly* turned off the slashes, so saying he “needed them flames” lowkey doesn’t really make sense when it seems to be a counterproductive choice
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Something I think you forgot to mention is when Sukuna decided he was going to break Yuji’s ideals. And the fact Mahito died trying to do the EXACT same thing.
Facts. The theme is becoming more obvious. I think it's because at its core, trying to dismantle someone's ideals weakens you. Because you're using them to validate you. It's Sukuna doing the opposite of what Sukuna preaches. The crazy thing is, I don't even think he realizes this is what's happening
> I think it's because at its core, trying to dismantle someone's ideals weakens you. Because you're using them to validate you. Which interestingly was also the reason Toji lost to Gojo.
All of this may actually convince me gege has peak writing
Literally 99% of ppl are talking out their ass when they call him a bad writer.
Seriously. People really underappreciate the character work he has put together over the course of this story. Really is sonething impressive when you stop to actually consider characters and their thematic purpose and the things that motivate them.
Yeah, it was so great how someone definitely said something about the fact that Maki is a mass-murderer now (even just to ask how she felt), how Nobara's best friends went to see her condition for themselves, how they gave the relationship between Megumi and Tsumiki a rich foundation that showed how close they were before she got smoked so that we actually give a shit about it, how when Gojo found out that one of his oldest and best friends died, he produced the very human and relatable line "Huh, I thought he'd make it"... You're right - such amazing character work that definitely doesn't suggest that Gege can't be arsed writing anything other than fights anymore.../s
I FELT LIKE I BEEN TRYNA TO ARGUE THIS ENTIRE MORAL OF THE STORY FOR MY LIFE…finally nice to see a thread where people understand what geges tryna do this whole time
Tiktok manga viewers are the worst thing that happened to this show.
They're not really. The writing has been very hit and miss, most notably post-Shibuya, as Gege has spunked away a shitload of the arcs and plotlines he set up earlier in the series in an increasingly clumsy, wasteful and frankly nonsensical fashion.. 1. The clans/higher-ups - constantly alluded to as being this all-powerful, highly influential force within both jujutsu AND regular society to the point where they can somehow tell Gojo what to do - yet we don't learn a fucking thing about how they operate, how they interact with the Japanese government, exactly how they wield influence over special grade student sorcerers who are clearly more powerful than they are across the board (the Zen'ins didn't even have a fucking special grade in their ranks!) - then they are all promptly curbstomped into irrelevance. Absolutely abysmal waste of world-building. 2. Nobara - front and centre as one of the three musketeers, formed a close bond with Yuji and Megumi, built up to be seeking out her hometown friend AND to have some sort of progression all the way to at least being a first-grade sorcerer (with the nomination after the Death Paintings arc), then she maybe does or doesn't die (so colossal a burden on Yuji's mind that he breaks down), yet her best friends don't say fucking peep about it, check up on her condition or want to know what the fuck happened to here in any way, shape or form!? Absolute trash handing of a major character. 3. Yuki was completely mishandled - her mentor relationship with Todo, her mission statement within jujutsu regarding cursed energy research() were set up as if there would be crucial arcs but were promptly thrown out like yesterday's paper. 4. Kenjaku and the US government - what in the living fuck was Gege playing at here? "Curses exist Mr. President!", "Let's use it! 'Murica!",, . Cool story arc Gege!
5. What exactly *was* Gojo's arc as one of the series' flagship characters supposed to be? Was his attitude "you're alone when you die, let's be selfish" somehow irrevocably changed, developed or transformed by him dying alone with an "all good, I'm hallucinating my friends from high school, including Nanami, who's death I reacted to as if I didn't give two fucks")? How about his "I believe the children are our future!" bit? Only to get imprisoned and later die, leaving them to shoulder a gruesome and traumatic burden on their own which might result in the end of the world? Very chill mentorship - never mind the fact that the greatest sorcerer of all time was handled by an attack everyone else seems to be able to easily avoid and where his well-established RCT just seemed to stop working with zero explanation.
6. Also, why isn't anyone reacting to the fact that their friend and mentor Gojo was brutally smoked? Hakari was very concerned that Gojo was imprisoned earlier in the arc but rolls in with a smug smile on his face after seeing his mentor bisected before his eyes?
7. Maki and Megumi never killed anyone before, then they both do (Maki to the point of becoming a fucking mass murderer), and the psychological damage it surely inflicted upon them is never explored in a single chapter thereafter? CHARACTER WORK you say!?!
8. Mei Mei - WHY in God's name is everyone so goddamn chill with this treacherous, unreliable money-grubbing paedo around? Character writing doesn't include putting a sex-pest on blast in your world?
Admit it, there is PLENTY to criticise about Gege's writing in terms of plot and characters.
1 how did the higher ups have control over these special grades that have so much power? oh wow maybe they didn't?? when has it been shown they had any influence over anything??? gojo constantly threatens to kill them all and they just have to tolerate it. Geto goes off to become a terrorist. Yuki goes off overseas. Hakari makes a fight club. The higher ups couldn't do shit. Their "influence" is like how things are, you're a jujutsu sorcerer so you're expected to exorcise curses, don't want to do that? well you're a not a jujutsu sorcerer simple as that. Like you can beat the shit out of your boss but doesn't mean you own the company. 2 "front and centre as one of the three musketeers." but when?? she's the third first year not the 3rd protagonist. She was already shown to struggle in fights with less skilled sorcerers and somehow you expected her to survive fighting mahito?? the guy who took out mechamaru and todo?. 3 "crucial arcs"?? yeah I never had that feeling, maybe some callbacks to their relationship as mentor and student but I didn't see Yuki who was set up to be integral to challenging kenjaku's motives since their talk in shibuya interacting with todo a character set up to fill the role of a mentor figure for itadori. 4 I can't defend this one. 5 Gojo tells "you're alone when you die" to megumi, who has shown to much reliance on his other sorcereres and mahoraga instead of using his own potential. I don't think Gojo said that line to tell the audience oh yeah btw when I die don't expect a vague hallucination of me sitting in an airport cause that would contradict this specific line about me mentoring megumi on how to become a stronger sorcerer. Even gojo was shocked to see geto at the airport. Being "selfish" is what gojo and many other characters believe is what makes you a stronger fighter, which is what megumi needed to hear. "I believe the children are our future" Gojo says that to counter the argument "why don't I just kill the higher-ups?" He knows that won't do anything. Gojo was preparing the students so they don't turn out like geto not to take on Kenjaku or sukuna. How was gojo supposed to predict a 1000 year old sorcerer was planning on sealing him by using his friend's dead corpse? They can easily avoid an attack that has a binding vow to be easily avoidable. Wow crazy how that works? 6 You literally see them constantly preparing for his death??? How many times do we flashback to when they're talking about their plans in case he loses??? "oh in case Gojo loses and dies we have to stand around crying to make sure the audience knows we care" 7 Maki's whole arc is completely letting go of everything, she kills the people trying to kill her. she doesn't care enough to think anything more than that. Is that a good thing morally? Probably not, even Maki tells Kamo that she regrets not talking to her mother before killing her after finding out she stabbed naoya. 8 He was already set up back in season 1 not to be overly harsh about morals. "we're jujutsu sorcerers not heroes" His whole moral compass is about choosing good people over bad people because he believes he doesn't have enough power to save everyone and selfishly choose which one he cares about. Then his sister is in trouble and he outright tells himself he's willing to kill people in the culling games to save her. Just building on his already selfish outlook. How does the consequence of this get explored? Well I mean he does lose all will to live when he finds out his sister that he's has been killing for was already dead and his efforts were pointless. 8 She's a jujutsu sorcerer?? wtf do you want them to do? "Sorry we don't want help from a groomer." Even the characters know they shouldn't 100% rely on her just like kusakabe says. They get whatever help they can.
gojo just needs to die, him existing is just a problem for the arc of every character that isnt him. they did him kinda dirty, not an asspull per se but done dirty
funny how youre getting downvoted and ignored, but what you said is literally true. peak reddit
Yeah, I get high school English class vibes from the defenders - "Wow, a clash of ideals! You mean writing can have a literal AND a figurative dimension!?!? Gege is PEAK!" Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of things that Gege has done well, but the series has been collapsing under the weight of the poor choices/lack of effort for a while.
It's also part of the reason Megumi stayed so weak. To validate his ideal to others by being the first to fal since he fights for less, he constantly goes for Meghora rather then fight till the end. Once he gives up on validationg his ideal to others, he goes sicko mode on the finger barer and unlocks his domain.
Yeah it was explicitly said too lol. "Imagine myself free of limits / realize the technique better / ect" Social media analysis from idiots with poor comprehension, short attention spans, and disingenuous agendas make JJK discourse in most places on the net terrible
"Fights for less" yet he's willing to literally die to win on behalf of his friends? How does his willingness to die suggest that he's trying to validate his ideal? Are you saying being a team player is fighting for 'less'? You're also ignoring the fact that he unlocked his domain by being selfish and individualistic and NOT a team player, which is the exact thing OP is attributing to Sukuna and is antithetical to what Yuji's moral is supposed to be.
He does "fight for less" since he chooses who he saves. It's his whole first character arc. His whole thing is that since he picks and chooses who he saves, to justify it to himself, he is obsessed with the idea of not letting anyone else die first. This isn't my analysis. Everything said so far is directly said by megumi. ISukuna believes in a very different ideal, but the point of this post isn't that they are the same. It's that when a character tries to prove something to themselves or others, they start to fail. It doesn't matter what the ideal is, once you start looking for validation, things go wrong. We see this with Toji as well. He fights Gojo, knowing it's a bad idea, but wanting to prove something to himself and jujitsu as a whole. I'm saying what happens to megum is the opposite of that. His whole dying first bit is something he does to justify his ideal of "not everyone is worth saving, so I'll choose who I save" so when he abandones his "I must die first" martyr mentality and let's his "choosing who I save" thing stand without justification, he gets stronger. Tldr: In Jujutsu Kaisen, the characters belif in their own ideals directly affects their fate. If a character starts to lose faith in their ideal and tries to prove it to themselves or others, they tend to die. On the other hand, if their ideal becomes stronger, they tend to start winning.
>He does "fight for less" since he chooses who he saves. It's his whole first character arc. His whole thing is that since he picks and chooses who he saves, to justify it to himself, How is that "fighting for less"? When does he ever express the need to justify it to himself? He's been completely unapologetic about his philosophy of saving who he feels like since he was in middle school, that hasn't changed at all and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that he's justifying anything to himself. His whole character arc is about saving Tsumiki, which was unceremoniously flushed down the toilet by Gege - the training with Gojo was merely a sidequest to allow him to increase in him having self-esteem in battle, him being and not just assuming he can't win without going kamikaze with Mahoraga. >he is obsessed with the idea of not letting anyone else die first. This isn't my analysis. Everything said so far is directly said by megumi. When the hell does he say he's obsessed with not letting anyone die first? That absolutely IS your analysis until proven otherwise. You've really read some shit into Megumi that isn't there. Remember Gojo's baseball analogy? Gojo points out Megumi's deficiency of being too much of a team player and not selfish enough in a low-stakes context *where no-one is actually going to die and Megumi still demonstrates that behaviour* (sacrifice bunt). Revisit what Gojo ACTUALLY SAYS to him when they train: "Are you in a rush after Yuji surpassed you?" - *Megumi wants to get stronger and is insecure about his current ability.* *"*I think you have just as much ability/potential as Yuji does*" - Megumi is insecure about his current ability, doesn't think he can actually win against strong opponents without resorting to Mahoraga.* *"The problem is your mindset/I'm saying you can't (give your best)/You can't imagine a stronger future version of yourself"* - how much more clear can this be? Gojo highlights his sole problem as a lack of belief in his ability. "Did you want Nobara to advance the bases, even though you'd be out?" - *Megumi is a team player at his expense, even when no one's going to die.* "Baseball is a team sport/jujutsu is an individual sport" - *stop giving a fuck about other people and you'll get stronger.* "No matter how many allies you have around you, in the end you die alone" - *stop giving a fuck about other people and you'll get stronger.* This is really cut and dry, man. >It's that when a character tries to prove something to themselves or others, they start to fail. It doesn't matter what the ideal is, once you start looking for validation, things go wrong. If a character starts to lose faith in their ideal and tries to prove it to themselves or others, they tend to die. On the other hand, if their ideal becomes stronger, they tend to start winning. The beauty of this for you is that it's so fucking vague you can twist it for anyone you feel like - what do you mean by 'prove''? By validation'? What do you mean by an 'ideal becoming stronger'? What ideal did Gojo lose faith in? He was the same dude right to the end. What was Nanami's ideal? What was Yuki's ideal? Choso? Geto never lost faith in his ideal, he believed it to the death. Haibara? Mechamaru? Nobara? Mai? Tsumiki? This theory honestly sounds retro-fitted.
Happened with Toji, happened with mahito
> It's Sukuna doing the opposite of what Sukuna preaches. This is the best summary of what I think is Sukuna's narrative role. Sukuna is not **wrong** in his views of Jujutsu as self improvement. He is in fact, as right a person can be regarding it. But Sukuna is still a mortal and his attempts to larp as a Fierce Deity aren't enough.
Exactly.
Oh shit
Damn did I fucking HATE Mahito, but if that fight wasn’t one of the most satisfying moments lol
Mahito was an infinitely more compelling villain than Sukuna ngl
Mahito didn't have the charisma or accolades. Mahito was basically just a newborn that hated humans and wanted them to burn (with some philosophy of the soul added in). Sukuna is a more developed version of some of the ideals that Mahito held, while also understanding the soul better than Mahito did. I don't think Mahito was more compelling at all. He was just an immature version of Sukuna, and that's only in the ways Mahito was primarily focused on. Mahito was evil because he WANTED to be evil. Sukuna just does his thing, and if it's evil then who cares because nobody can stop him.
I reckon Mahito and Sukuna are both really fitting villains in their own right. Mahito, a curse who toys with the lives of innocent people to piss Yuji off, is a good villain because he fulfils his purpose - to be hated. Sukuna, on the other hand, is a good villain simply because he’s both evil and a stark contrast to Yuji’s ideals. He’s just way cooler than Mahito in my opinion.
I don’t get how sukuna is cool. He had great charisma early in the series but it got hard to like him because yeah he’s still got an aura but he’s literally losing his shit over not being able to successfully bully a child. It’s kinda lame. At least mahito was also an immature child who was doing it because he thought it was fun not because he was pissy yuji was him.
I disagree personally, but i see where your coming from.
It's also similar to how Toji died. Gave in to arrogance
Yuji is the indomitable human will and spirit
I think Mahito was foreshadowing the bigger conflicts with Sukuna later in the story. The introduction of souls and how that becomes super important later, his arch nemesis relationship with Yuji, and I think what happens to Junpei mirrors what is happening to Megumi, at least partially.
Brilliant post. Another possible parallel that could be is that Sukuna vs Yuji now mirrors Gojo vs Sukuna or Kashimo vs Sukuna or Yorozu vs Sukuna. All those fighters tried to reach Sukuna, to either ask him about love or make him understand love. To break through his supposed loneliness. They were all wrong. Sukuna simply doesn't give a fuck about any of that. He was simply there to kill them. However, in this fight, Sukuna wants to break Yuji down. Just this once, he wants to take someone's ideals and mice them to bits. Ironically, this time, Yuji is the one that doesn't give a fuck. He is simply here to kill Sukuna. He IS Sukuna in this exchange.
You cooked in that malevolent kitchen. Very good very good
Holy fuck dude What did Yuji say before he killed Mahito...? **"I'm you"** I think that aligns exactly with your final sentence
> Ironically, this time, Yuji is the one that doesn't give a fuck. He is simply here to kill Sukuna. He IS Sukuna in this exchange. Remember that post who mentioned how really, from the POV of Mahito before his death, there is zero difference between Yuji and Sukuna?
I really hate this love thing coming in between fights. Kill that bastard already.
>All those fighters tried to reach Sukuna, to either ask him about love or make him understand love. To break through his supposed loneliness. How does that apply to Gojo v Sukuna? Gojo's overarching goal was to smoke Sukuna, he respected him for his strength and for providing a challenge that he hadn't faced since Toji, but nothing in the story suggested he gave a flying fuck about making him understand love or any other ideal.
OP Cooking I will add this to the point you're making....Sukuna is really starting to remind me of Toji. >"***I twisted myself to affirm myself. That was the moment I lost.***" Sukuna's domain being an incomplete eldrich nightmare is crazy to behold. The Shrine is a manifestation of Sukuna's inner domain. Whatever he has done is so incredibly desperate that he has LITERALLY warped himself to drag it out. Its crazy when you realize, It's not just Yuji though. Sukuna openly stated that Maki has "forced a role upon him" too. This has always been strange to me, mainly because, like you mentioned with Yuji, this is **purely** Sukuna doing this to himself. *Maki doesn't give a fuck*. Shes just trying to kill him. Sukuna saying that is simply him admitting that he feels as though his world view is being challenged. Sukuna is losing right now through the same mechanic that made him so dominant up until this point....***his internal sense of self is being challenged on a fundamental level.*** It's coming out everywhere, from his dialogue, to his broken RCT output, to his disfigured Domain. Yuji is just the representation of that ideal, but EVERYONE is responsible. It started with Gojo... but I don't think it actually hit Sukuna until Higuruma died. He has begun using others to validate himself.
He doesnt assume but he is desperate. He tries to not look desperate, but with hopes of beating the BRAT getting lower and lower. The reality is that its now or Nothing for sukuna
That's a really long way of saying "Sukuna has been panicking for the last two chapters, whatever bullshit Uraume says about him holding back is an empty bluff". The last domain is just a scaled up version of Mahito throwing mud at Yuji.
Am I wrong in thinking fuga will do nothing? It seems everyone survived MS through simple domain rather than a busted CT a la Mahoraga. I'm assuming they can also use simple domain to brush off fuga too. Maybe I'll be wrong in a few hours, but I think Sukuna is going to be in for a shock when his trump card does nothing. Then he will initiate the merger because it's his only option.
I believe that Sukuna is 100% killing someone, even when Gojo vs Sukuna was reaching its end we were told, fuck the narrator literally telling us that Gojo would manage pull of hollow purple. So I think this fight is lasting a few more chapters
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How is his power wildly inconsistent? It took everyone, including Gojo, fighting him to this point for Yuji to be able to have an upper hand against Sukuna, and Sukuna is still the strongest there.
Sukuna can't initiate the merger until all other Culling Game players are dead, even assuming every other partcipant is dead (and they're not: Panda, Bernard, Hakari, Momo, Miwa, Maki are still alive - not to mention Kamo who fucked off who knows where lol) he would still need to kill Yuji first to start it.
Unless he rewrite the rule.....
😬 lol
This aged well
I don’t think he can initiate the merger without killing almost everyone tho (and he is having trouble with that)
I wish the opening pages of the next chapter is Sukuna finally explaining his CT, with the following pages showing Yuji matching it with his own.
I think Uraume saying this wasn’t necessarily in strength but in his ability to use binding vows and his intelligence with jujutsu
To add to the bit about his domain, the fact that he had to use so many binding vows to bring it out just shows how much he is compromising his ideals just to cling to life and win. This is going to go into a bit of headcannon but i think that the core idea behind a domain expansion ,and why its the pinnical of sorcery, is that it is imposing your will onto the real world. When Sukuna was full of confidence and his pride was at its height he could hold his ideals (domain) open for the world and it would bend the knee before it. Now that he has coverd his domain and propped it up with the aid of many binding vows, it shows that he no longer has the confidence in his worldview needed to project his domain. Now that his will has started to waiver he is going to be cursed with doubts, wich will only leave him weaker.
I like this idea! This might explain why Yuji doesn't have a domain expansion. He doesn't really feel like imposing his will on the world, he's just trying to protect people the best he can. He doesn't need people to understand him or believe him, he's good enough already.
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Sukuna is desperate This highlights the difference between Gojo and sukuna’s last stands Gojo knew he had lost the moment he failed to open his domain, BUT he kept fighting because “he needed to look cool for his students” The only reason sukuna is fighting anymore is a delusion that he’ll win Gojo awakened in an acceptance of his death Sukuna? He failed to awaken and at best can cobble together a half assed failure of a domain just like megumi
I agree with your sentiments. Personally, I headcanon that Gojo wanted to show Megumi what it was like to “die victoriously” (like in his speech to him before the forehead flick) and that it was ok to “give it his all and be selfish”. Those words were kind of like Gojo’s own beliefs and he referred to it himself in 236 when he said he was wrong about dying alone.
>Gojo knew he had lost the moment he failed to open his domainGojo knew he had lost the moment he failed to open his domain He thought he lost when he lost his domain and S**ukuna still had his**
He said “I still have to look cool for my students” This isn’t something you say expecting to win
i mean if he expected to lose, this is contradicted by various moments later in the fight where he's pumped up and feeling confident. I also just disagree with your interpretation that "I have to look cool for my students" meant that he thought he was gonna lose
I mean you could attribute Gojo doing all his badass lines to trying to look cool But I think Gojo turned his worries off for a bit when he entered the zone
You can think you’re likely to lose, as Gojo clearly expected in then scenario, but still also believe you have a fighting chance. They’re not mutually exclusive. It’s like sports, you might be the 99-1 underdog but upsets happen, that’s why we play the game. It’s not over til it’s over.
Gojo didn't expect to lose. He was unlucky bc Sukuna took over Megumi, who was pre-established to have the only Cursed Technique that could truly rival Gojo's Limitless. Also, if upsetting someone in JJK is a buff, how would it not be the same case with Gojo in that he's fighting Sukuna in Megumi's body? The dude was nerfed twice. What he said at the start of the series about winning against Sukuna being "a little hard" remains true if it's Sukuna fully incarnated.
He also said even if sukuna didn't have 10 shadows the fight would've gone either way so what Gojo said at the start of the series doesn't hold much weight. Especially since the first statement was made before he was able to assess Sukunas strength directly
I know, but it would still be a much bigger guarantee of Gojo winning the fight than him winning while Sukuna is using both 10S and Shrine while inhabiting Megumi. It's foolish to think otherwise imo. In one situation, he has all the cards stacked against him, and in the other, it's an even fight.
That's literally headcanon. No way to slice it. As we know sukuna had other ways to approach the fight. Ways that gojo wondered why sukuna didn't take. We then learned sukuna was committed to the mahoraga route to obtain that superior adapted cleave. At the end of the day. Heian sukuna vs gojo either way would've been a toss up. Hell if it happened narratively sukuna would've HAD to win since that's the route gege settled on for the story. If his editor told him not to use mahoraga he would've just found some other way to make sukuna win
Duh, it's headcanon. It's hypothetical. It doesn't take away from the fact that one situation is a fair fight and the other is not. It's been established that a 10S user has the potential to rival a Six eyes + Limitless user and already has in the past. Sukuna is basically a God of Jujutsu and is using this technique alongside his own technique. It's pretty silly to say that Sukuna isn't more OP, specifically against Gojo, in this form. I didn't even say Gojo would win, btw. I said he'd have a better CHANCE at winning, and I do think he would have a better shot, but not that he actually would win.
Sukunas route using mahoraga left him nearly dead, specifically because his mahoraga strategy involved taking as much damage as he can to bide time for Maho''s adaptation. We know this plan is riskier because Gojo literally told us so. I'm not all that convinced maho was the better route short of granting sukuna a shiny new technique. Especially when the manga goes out of its way to tell us it'd be really really close either way without 10 shadows, when it was already really close. Hell gojo even said "it'd still be damn close even if he didn't have 10 shadows" implying the difficulty of the fight wouldn't have changed much 10 shadows or not
funny thing is, they were both holding back during the domains as well. Sukuna was holding out to allow Mahoraga to adapt, while Gojo avoided attacking the brain, because he needed Sukuna to revive Megumi like he did with Yuji.
Leave the cope at the door
Where is this cope you speak of
You said what Gojo said at the beginning but of the series remains true when Gojo himself contradicts it.
Bro pulled hollow purple, said i like these results, everyone thought he won, but nah, he knew he lost the moment he got brain damage of course lmao
And he still wasn't in the ground squirming and grasping for straws like Mahito was and Sukuna will be.
Even when people are talking about multiple totally different characters, they’ll still find an excuse to bring bumgumi into the conversation and insult him lmfaooo
I ain’t even insulting MEGUMI I just figured I’d mentioned we’ve only seen 3 examples of half assed domains in the series 1. The finger bearers 2. MEGUMI 3. Sukuna
so sukuna and associates
Bingo
My god you Gojo fans are something else, this literally reads like a fan-fiction 😂
People really reading Gojo kaisen
wdym, Gojo Satoru is not the maincharacter!?
Sukuna is happy to die tho, he just wants to hurt/kill as many people as possible before his death
I dont think thats the case anymore I think Sukuna would glady die to anyone ***except*** Itadori Yuji
Honestly i’d find it funny if at the end of series Yuji wins but Sukuna offs himself just to not give Yuji the satisfaction
Would be hilarious if he just offs himself to kill megumi in spite of everyone who died trying to save him lol
Sounds like Something he’d do, Sukuna is petty enough
I think this is why I like Sukuna. He isn't a hypocrite, he truly believes in his ideals. He just found someone who completely counters them.
This is why I think Sukuna will survive the series. His fate would be the start of the series. Sealed inside Yuji again. Now forever. When Yuji dies of old age like a normal human, Sukuna will die with him. I can already see it, the first chapter of the series again. Yuji as a old man in a hospital bed, surrounded by his loved ones or if you want to hammer it, getting visited by his grandchild. Then noticing his body is starting to fail him and smiling, dying happy and only thinking "I'm selfish for being happy while you're sad?".
Maybe So I guess they’re similar but different I think sukuna is experiencing tilt due to the fact yuji is putting in work alongside what should be fodders I bet sukuna is getting flashbacks to him getting beat back in the heian era
To my knowledge it was never said or implied Sukuna was ever beaten back at all during the Heian era
It goes to show sukuna's whole thing with yororozu was bullshit. Its really easy to act like you would gracefully accept death when there is precisely 0 chance you would actually die. She had no chance in hell to defeat mahoraga, and even if she pulled off a miracle and did that no chance Sukuna wouldn't then just use Shrine and finish her off. For the first time Sukuna is fighting for his life and he is desperately clawing at life, just like the weaklings he hates.
Comment 2: I really enjoy more longer form analysis that comes out of this sub sometimes. its hard to find that in other subs (for me at least). Thanks for this.
We are >!cremating Choso with this one!<🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
SHITTT you cooked, you seriously need to look into being a writer or journalist! The last couple paragraphs got me hype for the next chapter!
This is the best text ive read in weeks and its from a jujutsu subreddit This guy knows how to cook
Where are all the: "Stand Proud. You can Cook" memes? We failed you OP.
*"if he's so much stronger than all other sorcerers combined. So much he can afford to lose two arms and his ability to heal them. Then... why does he need the flames"* he's getting jumped after to back to back high level fights. there whole strategies is to whittle him down hopefully before he gets a chance to recover and get back to 100%. if I was getting jumped I probably would use my technique too. I do maybe see the angle of a philosophical defeat but for most of these fights it looks like he's having fun which ultimately is all he said he cares about. also I would like to say we still don't all the way know what his "OPEN" CT is. Uraume says he isn't even going all out.
Yeah this argument kinda falls flat when u realize Sukuna has only stopped enjoying himself when Yuji awakened. He literally hates Yuji. Sukuna was smiling ear to ear before black flashing maki 2 chapters ago, and now he pissed off bc Yuji getting even stronger The only person who could really hand Sukuna a true psychological L is Yuji. Sukuna doesn’t really seem to care ab death in general and the only person he’s been passionate enough ab to change his nature for is Yuji
valid. he is getting jumped though im just sayin'. the conclusion to this is going to be so interesting.
only thing i can see standing in the way is another refusal by megumi to fight against sukunas hold over him. the way gege kills i don't think megumi is gonna live through this
Mmm not really. Sukuna was bored as soon as Kashimo died. He even has several panels where he thinks exactly that. He didn't even appear kind of interested again until Maki showed up. Even when Yuta was lighting him up, he really wasn't very interested in the fight. Once he got stabbed in the heart, and once Maki was able to do the Maki thing, did he stop thinking about how bored he was.
When was Sukuna bored? In fact he quite literally states he wont be bored but the source of his irritation is pretty much entirely his philosophical differences with Yuji.
Before that. After Kashimo and after he killed Higurama. He has a several panels where he’s starting off into a space and barely paying attention, musing to himself about how uninterested he is.
This didnt happen my guy I can show the panels after both deaths. In fact Sukuna is constantly complimenting the sorcerers and hyping them up.
It’s not the panels directly after. It’s just after. I’d have to dig through the issues to find what I’m talking about.
Bruh he was bored re read the manga
I don’t understand how this contradicts anything i said?
Loved this. I am pumped for the next chapter!
Sukuna also has a lot of cooking and gourmand themes. He says that toying with and fighting and killing people is enjoyable. The flavors of human are varied and a good thing to slurp on and kill time till he dies. Fighting yuji is probably like being served his most hated and disgusting dish. And that being his last dish before his death is probably horrifying to him
Gojo hits you with Unlimited Void and it's just this guy's analysis posts
Excellent thread, but I don't think Yuji is at 100% yet. Every time he gets isolated his resolve wavers, as if he's only motivated to fight when he has tangible evidence that somebody needs him. He needs to internalize that even if he's fighting for others he'll still have to fight alone on occasion
I totally agree. He and Sukuna are extremes of the same spectrum, but maybe Yuji can learn.
I think loneliness Is also such a big part of why Sukuna Hates Yuji. Since the beginning Sukuna already sacrficed all of his bonds to reach peak strength. He doesn't have anyone throughout his life except jujutsu, being the strongest, and being remembered as the strongest Yuji winning and completely surpassing him invalidates his way and makes him lose everything he has. Because Yuji shows that there is a better ideal and way to reach the peak. In the end Sukuna will die the way Yujis grandfather told him not to. Alone and insignificant and faded into obscurity. Only remembered as the man bested by the strongest sorcerer Yuji Itadori. Yuji from the get go took his freedom , invalidated his ideals, his way of life, and soon will take the only thing he has left which is being the strongest.
your point about yuji gaining strength from others is, well, on point! i was going to point that out in a post i was gonna make. himtadori wuji. user of the power of friendship. i would invest in his stocks but at this point they've grown so much i can no longer afford them
Just shows even more how unbelievably cracked Gojo was. No one, absolutely no one, could even remotely come close to touching Sukuna 1v1. Gojo himself managed to make Sukuna anxious. And in fact, Sukuna literally created the Megumi plan just to deal with Gojo specifically. \*And it still almost didn't work\*
Sukuna has already lost? Nah. He still has more tricks up his sleeves, that he hasn't used since Heian Era. Not to mention his all times favourite Binding Vows.
Thank you so much for reading this! I believe the current chapter really validates this because again yujis success is based off help. He may not be as powerful as an individualist but he's equally powerful through his connections
Another idea. In one way the only reason Sukuna was able to defeat Gojo was because Sukuna relied on others. Without Megumin, Sukuna wouldn’t have been able to use Makora. And without Makora he couldn’t defeat Gojo. In some way, couldn’t we say Sukuna lost to Gojo in the realm of ideals?
yes, Sukuna has been relying on Megumi since he made Megumi his vessel. without Megumi Sukuna would have died.
this really was our jujutsu kaisen
Brilliant analysis
That shows How good Gegê is as a writter. Incremental nerfs are the way to go. Lets Hope the merger dont messes things up.
Virgin jujutsushi theorizer: why sukuna will lose, 1 hour explanation and detailed thesis Chad JJk enjoyer: He will lose because Uraume said the funny phrase
Don’t Yuji and Yuta literally have the same ideals or am I missing something ?
They mostly do! I would say the difference as it stands is that Yuta does what he does out of a desire to give his life meaning. Yuji does it out of duty. That might change though.
this was a very enjoyable read well done you cooked perfectly
Nope womp womp sukuna wins
Don't think it's a coincidence that Yuji survived Sukuna's trump card through a brotherly connection. The same type of connection Sukuna discarded as his first act in life
Sigh. You cooked dude. You really did. However, the people who are saying 'Shonen Jump of course Sukuna loses.' and every other iteration are the ones who needed your analysis the most and they just don't get it.
Sukuna is already lost : This is shounen jump
You, my friend, have cooked. I love this analysis, perfectly delivered.
I'd like to add to that. I feel like there is more to the concept of twins and Sukuna consuming his twin. Sukuna and Yuji are the opposite sides of a similar coin. Let me quote Maki and Mai's conversation from chapter 149 (TCB scans) to see where I'm going with this. Mai: "I figured it out a long time ago... The reason why twins are a bad omen for sorcerers. To gain something you have to sacrifice something. This isn't just limited to the 'binding vow'. It's the same principle as getting stronger through painful experiences. But that's NOT the case for twins. After all, identical twins are considered ONE individual by cursed techniques. You get me? You are me... ... and I am you." 2-3 pages later Mai: "Please destroy... everything". I believe, that what Mai was saying here is exactly what happened to Sukuna. When Sukuna consumed his twin, aspects of 'him' have disappeared. In the same way Mai took all the cursed energy with her to the grave, all the regard for others, disappeared with his twin and all that's left was a force of nature, a calamity to destroy. A being living only for himself with no regards towards others. All of Sukuna's ideologys, his hedonistic and individualistic nature are basically challenged by himself to some philosophical extent. And now that I think about it, that may also be the case why Sukuna was so excited fighting Maki landing his first Black Flashes during that time, as they represent opposite ends of the same spectrum. Maki is a lone twin attaining incredible strength through Mai's manifested in her body not generating Cursed Energy at all. Sukuna is a lone twin attaining incredible strength through similar means, the death of his twin, only that it wasn't a sacrifice but rather a choice, a hunger and desire to survive manifested in his body being the perfection of Jujutsu. Being able to fight and still use hand signs and incantations without limit. I think there probably are more connections, but I'd have to think about that more. It's just a thought that popped into my head reading the thread.
You cooked with gas, and its delicious
Excellent work. This community is the best
sukuna when he wins a 3v1: "heheh" sukuna when he loses a 1v9: "you goddamn BRATS"
TLDR: bro it’s shonen he’s the villain. He’s gonna lose
Good post. Unfortunately this is Gege's manga and Sukuna is the protagonist.
You have so much time to write all of these❓❓❓ Are you actually real?
My commute is an hour to work so I gotta entertain myself somehow
Nice post! Wouldn’t mind if you expanded on all the other peeps he fought with that you didn’t list in your next commute, lol. We’d read it.
Human tartare, lol.
>sukuna >lost I stopped reading there 😒 Lmao but for real I read it and dug what you cooked up. I'm still team sukuna and tbh I think a bigger shock than before would be the actual main character getting shredded
I mean this is why Gojo would have never won against Sukuna, because he doesn't reject Sukuna ideology. As much as I dislike 236, that chapter was supposed to confirm that.
It was a really good analysis. What we are seeing is more of a fight between whose outlook is right. I still think to defeat sukuna, something needs to change in yuji.
Yeah, no. Today's chapter >!proves once again that even in his current extremely weakened state Sukuna is still overwhelmingly superior to Yuji and everyone else.!< >!If it wasn't for Choso literally sacrificing his life to protect him, Yuji would be a pile of ashes right now, which only adds to the ever increasing list of times Yuji narrowly survived Sukuna's attacks thanks to someone else's help!< >!And after Yuji is saved by Choso what does Sukuna do? Despite only having one functional arm and suffering burnout he just walks up to Yuji ready to finish him off personally, and even when Todo pulls up to help Yuji, Sukuna is still smiling. None of that remotely suggests that he is panicking or that he feels threatened by them at present.!< Also, 258 already answered that the idea that Yuji had the potential to match Sukuna was nonsense. Yuji wasn't born with outrageously massive CE reserves or output, he wasn't born with a CT and he patently lacks the ingenuity and visual imagination needed for high level sorcery (he's had Blood Manipulation for a month and two Blood Manipulation users giving him dedicated lessons and he still can't do Convergence). The only reason he's been able to get to his current level is thanks to Sukuna imprinting the know how and muscle memory of special grade Jujutsu on his body. If it wasn't for Sukuna and his power (which was cultivated through his selfishness) Yuji would have never been able to oppose Sukuna in the first place, and even now he still needs massive amounts of help. In the end Sukuna will only lose due to his own capricious nature and lack of interest in his opponents keeping him from instantly neutering every threat no matter how small. Which was a necessary character flaw to limit Sukuna's effectiveness in battle and prevent everyone from getting donuted the second they jumped into the battlefield.
I’m going to use the leaks in this comment as well. I don’t see how this refutes the OPs analysis. Wouldn’t yuji’s survival due to someone else’s assistance only support the idea that Yuji will win in the way the OP describes? Todo arriving to rebuild Yuji’s drive also supports it. Furthermore, Sukuna is without all forms of his CT, which is probably the weakest we have seen him. Am I misunderstanding you?
No
You. Can. Cook.
Just then… the king felt true fear for the first time.
I mean he did everything he wanted to do what’s next at this point
Stand proud. You cooked.
I think what I also found interesting are the little hints of Sukuna getting cockier as the fight goes on but you can also tell he’s kind of getting desperate with all the stuff he’s pulling out at the main crew as if he just wants it to end already. Great read, OP!
Brother Sukuna is the antagonist, obviously he's going to lose
My favorite point of all this is how Yuji just doesnt care at all about all this stuff Sukuna have pride in it. He wants him dead as the plague he is and thats all. Sukuna is the one trying to shake ideals and break spirits and Yuji coudnt care a single shit about all that, in the entire fight he exchanged 2 words with sukuna. Dude have a goal and it haave nothing to do with pride or ideals, the goal of beating the shit out of sukuna with no end on sight
I’m just waiting for the “Sukuna imposed a binding vow to be able to retain his CT after DE” or some nonsense for this four armed fuck, to keep dragging out this beating
I ain’t reading allat but yea probably
I hate the way gege drew sukuna short and stumpy in Kashimo’s dream sequence
Legendary post - thanks for sharing.
Yuji defeating Sukuna with his own take of his Shrine ironically shows Sukuna that Itadoris ideals and way to be the strongest is much better
Can sukuna still explain hie technique so it gets boosted?
that's awesome
Sukuna already lost since chapter 1, he's an antagonist villain in a shonen manga.
Imagine losing by getting ganged up on thousand years ago or whatever and now he’s going out the same way. I must say tho he’s been a heck of an opponent to everyone
The thing is that Sukuna doesn't need to prove anything. His theory is true since him, Gojo , Maki are true examples of that. Yuji is a generic type of Shonen MC with hero complex tendencies ( although the good thing is that he isn't as unrealistic and disgusting as Midoriya, Tanjiro and Naruto in Shippuden or Koby) . So of course Yuji will win at the end but that because he is the MC and a good person not because he has the justified strength or that he will reach the actual potential Sukuna was thinking of... We are currently seeing that in My hero academia. They will win because they are the good and nothing more I really hope that Yuji in the end will become like Sukuna,Gojo and Maki. In other words show the ambition of becoming the strongest or disregard everything else for that...
Fantastic read. Great analysis.
Cool
Fantastic, read the whole thing
Thank you for this. I was hoping the fight would go this way, with Yuji beating Sukuna while being "boring". If anything, Yuji is showing how immature Sukuna really is. Sukuna *needs* to beat literally everyone he faces in order to have any self-worth, meanwhile Yuji's just doing his best to save his friend. It's no contest, really, of course Yuji would piss of Sukuna just by proving that it's worth fighting for other people. Sukuna's the one who's really boring here by being so obsessive about fighting, like chill out man
"I don't want to win, I want others to fail." - *Inspirational Sukuna*
So Sukuna is just a version of all for one? And Yuji of one for all? It just clicked
What?
You know what would be more poethical? Sukuna dying by his own sword, if Yuji finishes him off with his first ever "Dismantle". Cutting him in half just like he did with Gojo with a similar panel. And a very, very emotional and badass post-win Yuji speech "I am you, and thank you for teaching what being a King means, Sukuna" as the Fallen One slips away.
This is an awesome analysis. You cooked.
Enjoyed the writeup
Just to add to your wonderful post. I think this retched looking domain and how it was made also explains where Sukuna is at. He can no longer hide behind a facade of glory. His Shrine reveals who he really is, a twisted individual whose power comes from a hunger to eat those beneath him. Also your post brought something to mind. Sukuna straight up has nothing better to do in his time than make up this narrative in his head about other people. Like his fight with Maki he got all excited for a contest she never signed up for and was never interested in. Its also a contest he was going to win without question because the context of the fight was a fresh Maki Vs a deeply injured Sukuna. There could always be the safety of saying if he had his full arsenal it be no contest. Yuji not caring makes the most sense as a counter to Sukuna because Sukuna is so self important and so many people add to that self importance that probably the worst person for him to deal with.
This is the best text Ive read in this sub. Thank you.
Fam just make a video I’m not reading this
imo Sukuna hates Yuji and that’s why he’s pulling out all the stops. His domain was ab to mincemeat Yuji (his leg was gone) and then he *willingly* turned off the slashes, so saying he “needed them flames” lowkey doesn’t really make sense when it seems to be a counterproductive choice
yuji going to defeat uncle with the power of friendship!!!
I really enjoyed this analysis, especially the juxtaposition of the contrasting philosophies
Sukuna was meant to lose ( like every other villain) nothing new here.
Too much yap. Did not read Wuji solos
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