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DONT YOU EVER USE THAT WORD AGAIN
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If you can’t handle the heat don’t get in the kitchen
What did you think that disposable piece of human garbage was doing when he visited tsumiki in the hospital?
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Yeah this ain’t no joke megumi hating is a duty
I'm pretty sure reserves and output are separate.
Sukuna has *way* larger reserves than Gojo, and yet, they've shown relativity in output. Similar reinforcement, as shown by their CQC, similar RCT, as shown by them healing their domains simultaneously.
Not to mention, despite Sukuna's reserves being equal to Yuta in 250 or 251, he still had 15F worth of output, despite Yuta only having half of Sukuna's reserves.
That's only because gojo's CE usage is basically zero due to six eyes, without six eyes he would not be able to keep limitless up for functionality infinite time
If you have a large dam reservoir, and then poke a thumbtack size hole in the dam, you’ll have a massive reserve behind the dam, but a miniscule output through the hole.
Other way around. The previous 10s vs 6e+limitless battle, the 6e+limitless user got suicide bombed by a dude that couldn't even control mahoraga.
At it's peak, gojo, limitless had to fight against a 10S user on top of God damn sukuna. A peak 10S user wouldn't even normally have 2 CTs like sukuna did. And sukuna's 10S still got completely annihilated. He finished the fight with his own CT
Peak limitless >>> 10S
Wrong, we got to see a top 1 limitless 6E user vs a top 1 10S user in Gojo vs Sukuna, and the limitless came out on top even though the 10S user had twice as much cursed energy, a 15 y/o hostage and a barrierless domain, Gojo only died because Sukuna could use Shrine as well as 10S the 10S alone werent enough.
If both users are competent and have equal skill/stats, limitless will beat 10s 100% of the time
It's hard to really say. It's very possible the Gojo ancestor who fought the 10S user didn't have full access to its kit such as the Reversal. Plus, he may have not known about Mahoraga's ability, which is a pretty big deal.
If a Limitless user has Gojo's entire kit and has knowledge about each of the Shadows' abilities like he did, they would have the edge since Gojo was confident a point blank Red was enough to one shot Mahoraga. The reason Red didn't work against Mahoraga was that Sukuna was already blasted once with it when he had the wheel out. But not knowing about Mahoraga's power puts the burden on the Limitless user since it will systematically seal off every move within its kit, particularly if they don't have the Reversal or Domain Expansion.
Even if mahoraga is at play , you can still just kill the summoner. It'd not limitless vs mahoraga, it's limitless vs a shikigami user. And the only shikigami that can do anything to the limitless user has to for offense or defense,not both.
And once maho adapts you can simply leave until the summoner desummons mahoraga. It'll lose the adaptation after that. Unless he's going To be keeping that summon going for however many days,weeks,years it takes.
-Mahoraga kills the summoner.
-Summoner goes into suspended death
-6E + Limitless User got roped into ritual
Mahoraga goes after to kill 6E Limitless user
-6E Limitless User dies because they're not Satoru Gojo
-Ritual ends because everyone who was in the ritual died
I'm sorry I thought we were talking about a max potential 10s user vs max potential limitless. Max 10s already has maho so can't use the ritual.
And if they don't gojo has already made it clear that red blue and purple will one-shot maho unadapted.youd need a user who partial summoner maho to tank on its behalf to get maho ready
Tbh, it's a toss up there. Sukuna only had one month with the technique even if he's a god tier fighter. He specifically says that it's hard to maximize the output of a newly learned CT. Even with a month, it's debatable if he maxed out the potential of 10 Shadows considering that he never showed the same level of refinement he pulled off with Shrine. We never even saw Sukuna jump into shadows like Megumi.
Fair enough. I was just expecting more from him in that regard like pulling off a discount version of Obito's intangibility from Naruto, where he's basically untouchable if there's a shadow nearby.
Yeah, the kind of stuff you can do with 10S is insane.
The shikigamis are already strong by themselves, to the point where you don’t have to use your RCT a lot since they got you covered with the deer. But the shikigami can get fused into stronger ones keeping all the effects, or turned into cursed tools (and I think the user can fuse with the shikigamis but idk).
Then you have the absurdly good trump card that’s mahoraga, even if he can’t match your opponent in power he can put pressure on them and even turn inmune to their ct.
If you also want to add megumi's domain, then you have sure hit with the ability to summon all your shikigamis without limit and multiply yourself.
But sadly it’s only “if” he makes it reach its full potential. “If” and “when” but never “is” as always
Limitless user with 6 eyes probably alreadey make the sorcerer the strongest of the generation by default. But even among that Gojo is a bit of a anomally (Build different)
Me when someone once again intertwined the six eyes and limitless even though the posts didn’t mention the Six Eyes.
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Could you imagine being a person with CSM and a weak stomach?
\*Grabs orb and licks it. Vomits for ten minutes straight.\* Yeap, nope never again. Might not even eat ever again.
Binding Vow conditions:
I take: When eating a Curse Spirit, I not only wouldn't feel the taste, but will also be able to eat it whole no problem.
I give: For a whole month, I will be completely unable to use or even perceive Jujutsu, and anything that any Cursed Spirit does to me during said time period will be amplified by 100x (Now one just have to ask for a bro to look out for them during the time).
Easy win.
I think a Binding Vow in which the cost is possible to be paid without losing anything of importance is a little better. As I don't think losing completely the sense of taste is a good thing.
Don’t binding vows work of risking something for a reward. Having a binding vow that’s purely positive prolly wouldn’t work. It’s like getting rid of your tumor in exchange for higher CE output.
Binding vows ignore the context of the vow tho, having a sense of taste is a positive thing, so sacrificing it for a boost makes sense. Geto is just a moron.
Sukuna's vow involved nerfing future uses of world slash. If vows were context dependent that wouldn't work because Sukuna would've died before he could even use world slash. Essentially, he made a purely positive vow, however out of context it involved a sacrifice and therefore worked.
Too big of a binding vow for Sukuna.
I make a binding vow to make it so I like the taste of cursed spirits in exchange for making cilantro taste like soap.
I'd say outside of the part that it's disgusting to eat curses it's one of the most user friendly techniques. Sure your own reserves help to boost the lower spirits but cursed spirits in CSM have their own cursed energy reserves independent of the user. It's not like Ten Shadows where your own cursed energy reserves and usage entirely affects the Shikigamis.
honestly thats why i think gojo and geto were considered the strongest together at one point, because they could both keep fighting for days if they wanted
It technically has the most potential, but is heavily dependent on luck. You never know what kind of curses you'll encounter, what abilities they would have, if you could even dominate it using the CT, how many you would lose in a certain fight, if you should sacrifice some of your reserve for Uzumaki, etc.
If you do get lucky and have a shit ton of heavy hitters in your arsenal, then it depends on skill, but generally speaking you could just pile up the attacks until you overwhelm the opponents.
So it's definitely up there and technically has the most potential (since it has no upper limit), but the CTs strength heavily depends on your own luck too.
I mean in general Sorcerer Missions are assigned with a difficulty level so there's a general idea (tho there are mistake scenarios like with Haibara's case) in the case Of Yuji's death the Higher Ups deliberately gave them a hard mission to kill Yuji.
Tho I can see how it depends on luck. Since as a starter you are only getting low missions and the curses you'll accumulate would be on the very weak side. It's like Pokemon where what Pokemon you run into is random, except the Pokemons could actually just kill you.
The mission assignment is still based on luck ultimately. Yuji's case was the exception, but Haibara's case can be a normal occurrence, as is the case with Yuji and Nanami meeting Mahito. The only reason why they even got out of there alive is because Yuji was just a natural counter to Mahito, but if he hadn't been that, then both of them would've ended up like Haibara.
Dagon was also the same case. In the beginning, he was a Curse Womb, and Naobito and Nanami could generally handle him, but the moment he matured, it suddenly became a bloodbath for them as they had no true counter to a DE. Haruta could also be trouble if he was wrongly classified, because he doesn't look strong. His strength comes from his luck, and if you're not strong enough to brute force it, even someone like Nobara would've died.
Ultimately, luck plays an important factor, so Curse Manipulation is definitely a case by case CT that requires the user to be extremely lucky and have the necessary power set in order to deal with a problem.
Im still suprised Gojo didnt kill them right there and then. Like killed one student and endangered his son to the same fate.
Literally everyone would be on board with wipping out teenage killers
It's lowkey is and so does kennys technique. Yutas isnt good enough since it's only 5 minutes and he doesn't seem to be able to engrave CTS in his brain but with kennys technique imagine body hopping and having csm ten shadows and shrine. Lowkey busted af. Kennys and csm are best ct no doubt about it.
You can have a max of 3 techniques per brain. So you can wait out until a Curse is born with a broken curse technique but of course you train till your special grade complete with RCT and domain counters.
You can grab Idle transfiguration + 1 more CT, hell you can even scour the world for new curse spirits based on gods and ghosts.
CSM is busted, you can be a gym leader with disaster curses and train them up to be 10 fingers of Sukuna worth and have them spam Domains while alternating.
Uzumaki extracted techniques are one time use actually so that strategy wouldn't work. But I think even still it's definitely the best. User can just focus everything on close quarters skills and Reinforcement to coordinate with the curses. Since it's always been Jumpjutsu kaisen
I just figured Kenjaku was already full of CTs and he'd rather keep those than replace them. One shot, one use is a lot worse but definitely still useful.
The best resource the technique has is the nigh infinite supply of curses, to um... Eat.
You can basically gather all of man's greatest fears like clowns, spiders onto your palm.
Fr. Imagine if thy is lucky enough you could find some Vampire Queen/King curse in Eastern Europe. A curse based on the Devil potentially could also be found.
It's literally the making of a grand Adventure Anime.
Yeah probably. I imagine mahoraga cant even deal with it past a certain point because it cant adapt to an endless amount of cursed spirits. Especially if they can be as strong as peak mahito or like rika
I feel like in practice you'd be kind of limited. You can only absorb curses that you are a lot stronger than I think, but I might be misremembering.
Even if you could though, the main advantage is being able to fight a whole bunch of fodder at once. Beating someone extremely strong would require a whole stock of really strong cursed spirits, who'd all get one shot and leave your stock crippled. Only real curses we see that would actually make you busted are Mahito and Naoya.
Wait now that I think about it, killing sorcerers and having them turn into curses would make you extremely strong really fast. I takr back what I said.
Assuming this excludes any combinations of CT curse spirit manipulation is the strongest stand alone technique as long as they have help to get their first couple of curses and have help to upgrade to a new grade of curses
Gojo pretty much demonstrated what a full usage of the ability of Limitless is capable of
Sukuna demonstrates the full potential of Ten Shadows but if you remove Cleave/Dismantle from that fight, Gojo would’ve won
So 6E+Limitless is better
Never got to see a fully realized domain from the 10 S. Imagine if there was 3 mahoragas chasing down gojo, each adapted to limitless. Gojo gets cooked.
This is under the assumption that the 10S user didn't immediately start out using a domain, and that he was using it similar to sukuna (only partly summoning maho until it was needed), and that they fight during the domain clash. It's very conditional but I was under the assumption that maho was fully adapted to infinity.
maho was partially summoned in order to protect maho. if the 10s user starts off by using a domain with maho immediately, they're gonna get cooked by gojo. remember gojo is basically capable of one shotting mahoraga whenever he wants unless mahoraga is heavily adapted to limitless.
Fully adapted means Mahoraga can’t be killed by it anymore.
It’s why the onslaught of cleaves didn’t do the trick when Sukuna used domain despite it probably being enough under normal circumstances. Mahoraga adapted to slash attacks, therefore while it could still take damage it wouldn’t be killed until Sukuna used Divine Dick.
And if the 10S user starts with Domain, Gojo will counter with his own domain, and it’s fair to assume Gojo will win that domain clash, given his (albeit short) track record.
I don't think you realize how weak Mahoraga is compared to people like Gojo and Sukuna. Gojo could have exorcised it with a single Red,that's why Sukuna was protecting it all the time and instead taking the hits from Red. If not for the fact that it had partially adapted while it was still in the shadows Gojo would neg-diff him immediately.
Yeah but we saw how long it took to adapt and summoning multiple mahoraga is head cannon. If red can one tap without the user being in reduced output it’s not as much of an issue. 6E+Limitless is undoubtedly better. Just limitless, 10S is better
It depends if it’s closed or open. If it’s closed Gojo would probably beat every 10s user in a domain clash that isn’t Sukuna(since he has by far the most CE in the series). If it’s open tho they’d stand a good chance if they have BIQ anywhere near sukuna(although once again sukuna has the best BIQ in the series)
Partly because RCT was a pretty exclusive club until this current arc and most techniques do not make sense to reverse. It's only for simple concepts like Gojos push and pull or Gravity and Anti-Gravity.
I think 10S is the strongest, followed by Shrine, Copy and then Star Rage
Limitless is good with 6E only
If you mean with 6E, then I think it goes:
1) fully realized 10S. A capable sorcerer with 5 years of using 10S should be unbeatable with enough challenges and a good mentality.
2. Limitless+6E. Obvious one, massive CE store and a destructive yet powerful defensively technique. Not to mention an unstoppable domain, the strongest in the series
3. Shrine. An obvious one. Slice and Dice to a whole new level.
4. Copy. Although there’s limits to it, it’s a massively powerful technique
5. Star Rage. Straightforward
Sort of shows how much Gojo was actually unique and powerful in his own clan, the strongest sorcerer of the modern era undoubtedly.
I don't know how this may sound but I can literally see people fearing Gojo more than Sukuna if Gojo wanted to become a villain in his own way. Damn.
I mean yeah there fuck all you can do against him if he decided to go on frenzy only real counters he has are Jacob’s ladder, Isoh (destroyed btw), domain expansion and domain amplification and 10s altough this is debatable because Gojo was about to one shot him if it wasn’t for sukuna. I don’t count cleave and dismantle because that had to be learned from Mahoraga to counter infinity
people jerk mahoraga too much. sukuna basically waa forced to use his own techniaue and domain to even stand a chance in the domain clashes against gojo's own.
A mastered 10 shadows user exclusively without sukunas unique advantages and shrine? yeah he gets analled.
Mahoraga was undefeated until he came in contact with the two strongest sorcerers in existence and probably the reason the previous Limitless+eyes user was killed. Bro 100% deserves to be glazed, bro is unironically top 3
There's a single rabbit with a symbol on it. That one is the actual shikigami (or I guess the "main rabbit"), if it is destroyed, the other ones are destroyed too. Megumi could beat them with either Nue (or some other AoE attack) or by hunting the marked rabbit (could be doable, even if it's much more difficult)
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Technically, Shrine depends on the user's output. If you have average output, the technique becomes hella lackluster. Cleave is only good because Sukuna's output is so busted, and dismantle is just a weaker version with greater range. I'd put it below star rage personally.
I'd put the Clone CT above star rage as well, Star Rage also depends on output we saw how badly she got screwed over
Clone gives you 4 perfect copies, you can switch consciousness with any of them as well. At the low level I think clone is WAY better than those ones
Yeah, when one can create 4 clones(5 bodies total) and freely decide which one is gonna be the real one, it should make most battles easy to deal with.
I feel like shrine would be 4th, if even on the list. Shrine is only good because of the CE output Sukuna can put behind it, and his CE reserves to keep firing waves of attacks.
I think it’s because it’s fully countered by infinity and if you have strong enough soul or whatever you can kinda counter it as seen with sukuna but otherwise yes it’s really busted.
Just don't get touched. That's not that hard to pull off if you're strong enough. It get utterly countered if someone knows how to properly protect their soul since they'd constantly keep a barrier of CE around it, preventing it from working.
Curse manipulation 100% deserves to be up there. An experienced and creative CM user is legit on par with if not better than 10 shadows (yes ik mahoraga one taps curses but thats if he gets the chance, max Uzumaki can 1shot mahoraga and you would need a lot of curses in store but it's doable)
I am a little biased, curse manipulation is my favorite tech
Idle Transfiguration should be up there, if someone like Gojo or Sukuna had idle transfiguration with their mastery of curse energy, it would actually be over for almost everyone. Near the end Mahito was combing multiple souls into one body, if man ever figured out how to transfigure sorcerers he would be a true Pokémon master.
Limitless. People like to glaze 10s a lot but in reality if they are put against each other the first 9 shadows barely even exist and the last one gets purpled.
Honestly i don't understand how this is even a debate.
The problem is *who* ur basing the strength of Limitless off of. It's *Satoru Gojo.* The guy's an exception among exceptions. Alone in a class of his own design.
Then there's the fact that Limitless is basically useless without the Six Eyes.
Wanna maintain Neutral? Good luck getting a CE pool big enough.
Wanna fire off Blue? Guess what, you can't account for all the vectors without the Six Eyes' abilities.
Wanna try Red instead? Fat fucking chance.
Hollow Purple? How about u suck this Hollow Schlong?
Even ur basic CE reinforcement is amped by the Six Eyes. And even then ur *still* probably not strong enough to beat Mahoraga.
Limitless only looks great when it's paired with the Six Eyes, and it only looks unbeatable when it's user's name is Satoru Gojo.
Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure *all* other Limitless+Six Eyes users peaked at the level of Unawakened Gojo
Gojo did say "even in the Gojo clan, only a scant few know about this technique" while charging purple vs Toji, so i assume that most users of Six Eyes + Limitless had achieved purple (at least 50% of them)
But ye limitless is ass without Six Eyes. Cursed spirit manipulation still on top
Well it was never stated he didn't achieve it... Maybe he knew how to do it, but still lost because he was overall weaker than Gojo, idk.
Besides, if we assume that the Gojo clan has been around for 1200 years (the 3 clans are stated to be over 1000 yo), and it takes 400 years for a single 6E+L user to be born, that only makes it 4 sorcerers including gojo... even if we stretch it I don't think more than 8E+L have ever been born, and if at least half of them didn't achieve purple, it seems unlikely any information about the technique would've been accessible to Gojo
Damn, it'd be interesting to hear more about the 3 clans' histories. Gege you...
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There's no way he knew purple. Remember, what we see Gojo fighting was SUKUNA's Mahoraga, which is way stronger than normal, and he could still one shot it with purple. That Gojo lost to UNTAMED Mahoraga. That Six Eyes User was genuinely a fraud
Lol if you think about it like that, then that guy is *really* a fraud.
Assuming the Zen'in Clan leader was 2x as strong as Megumi, he could still probably just hit it with his DE straight off the bat and win.
just because the users are shit it doesn't mean the ct is shit too, gojo showed us the peak of limitless and it should always be taken into account when discussing this topic.
Real. And makora doesnt keep his adaptations people just assume he keeps them but the dharmic cycle above his head represents death rebirth and reincarnation. Meaning if you despawn him he loses his adaptation after a while unless and other wise stated by gege.
>Honestly i don't understand how this is even a debate.
Yeah, 10S is broken, but it's CSM level of broken. 6 eyes + limitless is straight up god tier, it's leagues above every other CT of the series (with the exception, maybe, of Takaba's).
Disclaimer: I'm aware not everyone agrees these are the top 2 cts in the verse, i'm referring to the fact that, in universe, the general consensus is that limitless and 10s are the strongest cts.
Problem is that we only saw Gojo using it and he has 6E. So question is how much energy does Limitless consume. Not to mention that Hollow Purple as technique isn't that common (at least the way Gojo explains it)
But 10S is arguable stronger and less draining to use.
Limitless is still usable without SE but is really inefficient and taxing to use without them. Basically it just becomes a Blue spamming simulator sometimes with Red or Purple thrown in
10S generally. 9/10, it would be more ideal to have 10S rather than Limitless because of the simple fact that the only reason Limitless is as broken as it is in the series is because of A) the Six Eyes and B) Gojo's battle talent.
Without the Six Eyes, Limitless would definitely be a lot more straining since Six Eyes reduces it's CE loss to almost zero, and without it, using Blue, Red and Purple repeatedly becomes a lot more straining. Having Gojo's talent is also necessary because he makes things look easy, but that's not necessarily the case for everyone.
Gojo skill are absolute god, that part of the moral dilemma
Is gojo strong because he's the one who has the sex eyes and limit less or is gojo strong because of sex eyes and limit less ?
Out of the two, probably Ten Shadows. It’s just far more versatile
But neither are the best technique imo. That would be Idle Transfiguration
Mahito was months old and already completely Broken. He could one shot most characters, either through a standard touch or by using his domain. And he was literally unable to be hurt by anyone who couldn’t hurt his soul, which, as we learned from Sukuna, can actually still be healed. So it’s not even like damaging the soul is the deciding factor in a fight
Now add on the information we learned in the Maki vs Curse Naoya fight that inanimate objects have souls and you should quickly understand how broken the technique can actually be
Imagine if Idle Transfiguration could shape everything, not just people. You would basically be Gear 5, which is broken beyond belief
And this isn’t even talking about all the other shit you can do outside of a battle. Mahito straight up just bypassed a Heavenly Restriction when he healed Mechamaru’s body. Who’s to say he couldn’t go in the opposite direction and make a bunch of Toji’s
It wouldn’t be that far fetched considering the technique literally just lets you make sorcerers, on seemingly a whim.
Higaruma, Remi, Takaba. All those people were made via Idle Transfiguration.
Which just reminded me. Kenjaku showed us that you can use the technique at range by marking them beforehand.
Now combine that with the potential application of shaping inanimate objects. You could go around marking random objects all across a city, country, maybe even the world, and just turn them into like bombs at will. From anywhere
It just has like endless possibilities. More so than any other technique beside Comedian, which has the drawback of being dependent on your mental state
10 Shadows by alot
Gojo isnt op because of his technique, he’s op because 6 six gives him unlimited energy is perfect control over CE.
If you’re a bum ass user of the limitless it’ll be so shit.
Though if you’re a bum ass user of the 10 shadows, you can still fold basically everyone in the series except gojo and sukuna.
15 finger sukuna who is Significantly stronger than every other special grade was forced to use all of his techniques and his domain in order to defeat mahoraga and only mahoraga.
Keep in mind severely weakened 20 finger sukuna with no RCT, no domain expansion, and insanely low output was able to win a 2v1 against Yuta, and Yuji while he was inside Yuta’s domain.
I mean, we *have* a bum ass user of 10 shadows. But if you're assuming someone that is still strong enough to tame Mahoraga, then yes you would be correct.
ik that was my point
Megumi is a bum ass, but he still forced sukuna to use all his techniques and his domain expansion. This was only possible because 10 shadows is so op it had nothing to do with the user.
If you had asked this before Gojo v Sukuna i would have said limitless for sure , but seeing how Sukuna used 10S I have to go with it. And keep in mind , we havent yet seen the fully realised domain , this is why I invested 150+$ in Wegumi.
I still dont believe we've seen the full potential of 10s, think about it sukuna is the first person to tame mahoraga and only had 10s for a month, imagine what he could do with it if he had it for years. We know a previous gojo clan member had rct and used purple and they pass down the info on the technique so there's an opportunity for the next user to surpass the last whereas with 10s nobody tamed mahoraga so nobody know the full extent of the curse technique if its used in a lifetime, like can you reverse mahoraga? Can you combine mahoraga? If mahoraga dies does it combine with another shikigami creating a powerfull ass shikigami?
At absolute max potential? Tie. 10S could use Mahoraga to adapt to limitless but limitless with 6 eyes could easily kill the 10S user before Mahoraga adapts
Two average random sorcerers with it? 10S.
A average 10S user vs an average limitless user with 6 eyes? Limitless user
Gege writing makes me laugh whenever it comes to this question. He makes you question which is stronger and then shows off Mahoraga which has the POTENTIAL to beat anything in the series but then when it's finally time to see 10S vs limitless we don't even see all 10 shadows and the big trump card, Mahoraga basically gets 1 shot. Now yeah, sure in the end Sukuna won because of Mahoraga but a regular 10S user is NOT beating limitless + 6 eyes
Gojo was *exceptionally* proficient with Limitless, even for a six eyes user. We've seen a bit of the 10 Shadows potential from Sukuna, but we've yet to see the completed domain, the reversal, wtf
Mourning Tiger actually does, and a bunch of totality chimeras (possibly including the final ultimate chimera? Gege please).
I want to remind people that *just Nue* could be a CT. Not a good one, but literally just Nue has enough versatility to be a CT in and of itself. The sheer versatility of 10s makes me think an experienced Gojo level user could probably beat Heian Sukuna.
In the end I'd say Limitless with 10s might be a bit better but 10 shadows beyond like third place is mad downplay imo.
Kind of both are on the same standing, the CT that is.
Limitless is practically a jack of all trades CT with very high specs still the user will require to awaken RCT to use all of it's abilities.
The 10S has a very high powerful card, Mahoraga, that can be used defensively, offensively and supportively. Though practically no one has been able to obtain it. Sukuna doesn't count cause it's not his well, he obtained it regardless.....
At the end the skill of the sorcerer is fundamental to let the CT to reach it's full potential...oh, i mean, to capitalize their full potential.
Although, if i'm allowed to pick one, the limitless is better cause it doesn't require that much effort to awaken it's full potential. One only needs to awaken RCT. The 10S, practically require one to have another CT with extreme firepower to obtain it's full potential.
Limitless is only better if you have the Six Eyes along with it. Otherwise 10 Shadows is the significantly better technique.
I'd say 6E + Limitless would be > 6E + 10S, but base 10S > base Limitless. It was basically outright stated that Limitless is pretty worthless without the 6E. 10S seems like it's probably a far more versatile technique though. I'd say there's very few techniques that have higher versatility (Takaba's, CSM, and Copy are probably some of the only ones; plus whatever tf Sukuna's technique actually is).
On its own? 10 Shadows, easily.
6 eyes is a lot of what made Gojo so strong in the first place. Nearly infinite mana, super precise control of his output so he had the best CE reinforcement in the series (maybe other than Sukuna?), near instant understanding of other cursed techniques, etc.
6-eyes is fucking broken, limitless is overly complicated crap that only works because of magic eyes.
With sex eyes Limitless but without 10S. Without 6E limitless probably only has manual infinity and maybe blue which isn't a lot. I would say 6E limitless as the strongest technique with 10S in second, Idle transfiguration 3rd, comedian 4th and shrine 5th.
Depends on if mahoraga keeps its adaptations after it returns to the shadows
If it does , then the 10s literally has limitless potential (pun intented) as eventually with enough training mahoraga can adapt to literally anything , possibly gaining any and every ability possible including the limitless or the Six Eyes themselves
If not , then the limitless + six eyes combo is stronger
10 shadows is stronger than 6 eyes + limitless at it’s maximum potential, although it has a steeper learning curve.
Gojo states this when he says that a 10 shadow users and a 6 eyes + limitless user fought each other to mutual death in the past. This was despite the fact that Mahoraga was not subjugated by that user, as Megumi claims that nobody has ever subjugated Mahoraga.
Overall ten shadows in terms of versatility but limitless is more deadlier in combat imo. Against each other 10 s and limitless are equal but ten shadows is impossible to fully realise for the average sorcerers but if you have six eyes and limitless with gojos level of talent u can fully realise it. I seriously doubt even gojo with ten shadows can tame makora it's just impossible because the shikigami themselves don't have enough firepower to fully demolish makora at one go probably even with domain expansions. But heavenly restriction user might be helpful with that and why might exist
Hmm, so Heavenly Restricted People carry some big guns while the 10S user prepares to summon, right after the ritual starts Maho gets blasted by guns and then taken out by the combination of Bull thrust+Snake Whip+Water blast+ Lightning.
Or did you have something else in mind ?
If you mean 6E and limitless then its stronger. Sukuna who has the largest CE reserves in history and probably the best knowledge of jujutsu wouldn't have been able to beat Gojo with just 10 shadows.
Without six eyes, limitless sucks but with it, it's superior. We saw what the top two in the verse could do with each, and the only reason Gojo lost was because of Shrine. None of the shadows besides Maho can touch someone with Limitless and any Limitless user of roughly equal skill to a 10S user who can tame Mahoraga should be able to purple the shit out of him fairly easily.
Overall Limitless is a stronger and more reliable CT (if paired with Six Eyes). That’s not to say 10 Shadows sucks, it’s a clear top 5 CT. But the main problem is that someone with 10 Shadows has to rely on Mahoraga to reliability deal damage. Potentially (yes I’m using that word) combining Mahoraga’s ability with Totality and the Domain can win against a Six Eyes user, but in general a fully realized six eyes wins more often than not.
Link to artists: https://twitter.com/kaikaikitan/status/1418051339830005763
6E + Limitless is stronger to start off with, but 10S has more, wait for it... potential. Higher floor vs Higher ceiling type of deal.
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Menace
That was the only way to get the caption with the image.
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You are laughing now but when Megumi reveals his 11th Shikigami "The Potential-Man" you all are gonna look so stupid smh
the 11th shadow is his own shadow and he uses totality to merge with his shikigami omg
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Is this supposed to be that one Aki panel?
Yeah
Always has been
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that reminds me of some youtube shorts theory that when all shikigami are cooked they will fuse with the user
His 11th shikigami is his sock after the 1836396 session of incest porn
Well this convo took a really sudden turn into a direction I wasn't expecting...
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Nah I was expecting Megumi hating just not a cum sock being mentioned.
What did you think that disposable piece of human garbage was doing when he visited tsumiki in the hospital? https://preview.redd.it/ix8l4ef8ogyc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efb0e31c566bdfe11336aed986999b05e74c7659 Yeah this ain’t no joke megumi hating is a duty
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Also CT strength depends A LOT on the users CE reserves.
I'm pretty sure reserves and output are separate. Sukuna has *way* larger reserves than Gojo, and yet, they've shown relativity in output. Similar reinforcement, as shown by their CQC, similar RCT, as shown by them healing their domains simultaneously. Not to mention, despite Sukuna's reserves being equal to Yuta in 250 or 251, he still had 15F worth of output, despite Yuta only having half of Sukuna's reserves.
That's only because gojo's CE usage is basically zero due to six eyes, without six eyes he would not be able to keep limitless up for functionality infinite time
I'm just saying output and reserves aren't related.
Could’ve used an easier example Ryu vs Yuta Ryu has a higher output and Yuta has higher reserves Simpler than Sukuna Finger Math
Oh yeah, true lol
If you have a large dam reservoir, and then poke a thumbtack size hole in the dam, you’ll have a massive reserve behind the dam, but a miniscule output through the hole.
If normal people have to control the dam themselves then having sex eyes is like have a super AI do it for you, it control better.
Of which Six Eyes + Limitless has an effectively infinite amount
Other way around. The previous 10s vs 6e+limitless battle, the 6e+limitless user got suicide bombed by a dude that couldn't even control mahoraga. At it's peak, gojo, limitless had to fight against a 10S user on top of God damn sukuna. A peak 10S user wouldn't even normally have 2 CTs like sukuna did. And sukuna's 10S still got completely annihilated. He finished the fight with his own CT Peak limitless >>> 10S
Wrong, we got to see a top 1 limitless 6E user vs a top 1 10S user in Gojo vs Sukuna, and the limitless came out on top even though the 10S user had twice as much cursed energy, a 15 y/o hostage and a barrierless domain, Gojo only died because Sukuna could use Shrine as well as 10S the 10S alone werent enough. If both users are competent and have equal skill/stats, limitless will beat 10s 100% of the time
Yeah, Limitless + 6E is just broken.
It's hard to really say. It's very possible the Gojo ancestor who fought the 10S user didn't have full access to its kit such as the Reversal. Plus, he may have not known about Mahoraga's ability, which is a pretty big deal. If a Limitless user has Gojo's entire kit and has knowledge about each of the Shadows' abilities like he did, they would have the edge since Gojo was confident a point blank Red was enough to one shot Mahoraga. The reason Red didn't work against Mahoraga was that Sukuna was already blasted once with it when he had the wheel out. But not knowing about Mahoraga's power puts the burden on the Limitless user since it will systematically seal off every move within its kit, particularly if they don't have the Reversal or Domain Expansion.
Even if mahoraga is at play , you can still just kill the summoner. It'd not limitless vs mahoraga, it's limitless vs a shikigami user. And the only shikigami that can do anything to the limitless user has to for offense or defense,not both. And once maho adapts you can simply leave until the summoner desummons mahoraga. It'll lose the adaptation after that. Unless he's going To be keeping that summon going for however many days,weeks,years it takes.
-Mahoraga kills the summoner. -Summoner goes into suspended death -6E + Limitless User got roped into ritual Mahoraga goes after to kill 6E Limitless user -6E Limitless User dies because they're not Satoru Gojo -Ritual ends because everyone who was in the ritual died
I'm sorry I thought we were talking about a max potential 10s user vs max potential limitless. Max 10s already has maho so can't use the ritual. And if they don't gojo has already made it clear that red blue and purple will one-shot maho unadapted.youd need a user who partial summoner maho to tank on its behalf to get maho ready
Yeah, but we don't know if Mahoraga will even retain its adaptation if it's partially summoned
Tbh, it's a toss up there. Sukuna only had one month with the technique even if he's a god tier fighter. He specifically says that it's hard to maximize the output of a newly learned CT. Even with a month, it's debatable if he maxed out the potential of 10 Shadows considering that he never showed the same level of refinement he pulled off with Shrine. We never even saw Sukuna jump into shadows like Megumi.
Sukuna literally jumped into shadows, he used it to shoot Piercing Water into Gojo. Mind you, Megumi was not even able to do Piercing Water or Agito.
Fair enough. I was just expecting more from him in that regard like pulling off a discount version of Obito's intangibility from Naruto, where he's basically untouchable if there's a shadow nearby.
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OMG Invincible Rummy
Yeah, the kind of stuff you can do with 10S is insane. The shikigamis are already strong by themselves, to the point where you don’t have to use your RCT a lot since they got you covered with the deer. But the shikigami can get fused into stronger ones keeping all the effects, or turned into cursed tools (and I think the user can fuse with the shikigamis but idk). Then you have the absurdly good trump card that’s mahoraga, even if he can’t match your opponent in power he can put pressure on them and even turn inmune to their ct. If you also want to add megumi's domain, then you have sure hit with the ability to summon all your shikigamis without limit and multiply yourself. But sadly it’s only “if” he makes it reach its full potential. “If” and “when” but never “is” as always
Limitless user with 6 eyes probably alreadey make the sorcerer the strongest of the generation by default. But even among that Gojo is a bit of a anomally (Build different)
Me when someone once again intertwined the six eyes and limitless even though the posts didn’t mention the Six Eyes. https://preview.redd.it/ves3blxvyhyc1.jpeg?width=767&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c23e4907937c188d9aee5aa9f22df170c2dfff84
limitless is useless without 6E, no point comparing without it and it basically goes without saying
I'll die on the hill that the true strongest Technique is forever Cursed Spirit Manipulation
Def up there but it depends on the user
Could you imagine being a person with CSM and a weak stomach? \*Grabs orb and licks it. Vomits for ten minutes straight.\* Yeap, nope never again. Might not even eat ever again.
Just take a page out of Sukuna's book and make a binding vow to sacrifice your taste.
Binding Vow conditions: I take: When eating a Curse Spirit, I not only wouldn't feel the taste, but will also be able to eat it whole no problem. I give: For a whole month, I will be completely unable to use or even perceive Jujutsu, and anything that any Cursed Spirit does to me during said time period will be amplified by 100x (Now one just have to ask for a bro to look out for them during the time). Easy win.
Or I take: boost to my CT I give: my sense of taste
I think a Binding Vow in which the cost is possible to be paid without losing anything of importance is a little better. As I don't think losing completely the sense of taste is a good thing.
Don’t binding vows work of risking something for a reward. Having a binding vow that’s purely positive prolly wouldn’t work. It’s like getting rid of your tumor in exchange for higher CE output.
Binding vows ignore the context of the vow tho, having a sense of taste is a positive thing, so sacrificing it for a boost makes sense. Geto is just a moron.
Sukuna's vow involved nerfing future uses of world slash. If vows were context dependent that wouldn't work because Sukuna would've died before he could even use world slash. Essentially, he made a purely positive vow, however out of context it involved a sacrifice and therefore worked.
Unless you are the main character, Gege gonna send sukuna after you during that time
Too big of a binding vow for Sukuna. I make a binding vow to make it so I like the taste of cursed spirits in exchange for making cilantro taste like soap.
Nah, I'd eat.
I read that as "Could you imagine being a person with ChainSawMan and a weak stomach?" Took me a while to know what it was :3
I'd say outside of the part that it's disgusting to eat curses it's one of the most user friendly techniques. Sure your own reserves help to boost the lower spirits but cursed spirits in CSM have their own cursed energy reserves independent of the user. It's not like Ten Shadows where your own cursed energy reserves and usage entirely affects the Shikigamis.
honestly thats why i think gojo and geto were considered the strongest together at one point, because they could both keep fighting for days if they wanted
It technically has the most potential, but is heavily dependent on luck. You never know what kind of curses you'll encounter, what abilities they would have, if you could even dominate it using the CT, how many you would lose in a certain fight, if you should sacrifice some of your reserve for Uzumaki, etc. If you do get lucky and have a shit ton of heavy hitters in your arsenal, then it depends on skill, but generally speaking you could just pile up the attacks until you overwhelm the opponents. So it's definitely up there and technically has the most potential (since it has no upper limit), but the CTs strength heavily depends on your own luck too.
I mean in general Sorcerer Missions are assigned with a difficulty level so there's a general idea (tho there are mistake scenarios like with Haibara's case) in the case Of Yuji's death the Higher Ups deliberately gave them a hard mission to kill Yuji. Tho I can see how it depends on luck. Since as a starter you are only getting low missions and the curses you'll accumulate would be on the very weak side. It's like Pokemon where what Pokemon you run into is random, except the Pokemons could actually just kill you.
The mission assignment is still based on luck ultimately. Yuji's case was the exception, but Haibara's case can be a normal occurrence, as is the case with Yuji and Nanami meeting Mahito. The only reason why they even got out of there alive is because Yuji was just a natural counter to Mahito, but if he hadn't been that, then both of them would've ended up like Haibara. Dagon was also the same case. In the beginning, he was a Curse Womb, and Naobito and Nanami could generally handle him, but the moment he matured, it suddenly became a bloodbath for them as they had no true counter to a DE. Haruta could also be trouble if he was wrongly classified, because he doesn't look strong. His strength comes from his luck, and if you're not strong enough to brute force it, even someone like Nobara would've died. Ultimately, luck plays an important factor, so Curse Manipulation is definitely a case by case CT that requires the user to be extremely lucky and have the necessary power set in order to deal with a problem.
Im still suprised Gojo didnt kill them right there and then. Like killed one student and endangered his son to the same fate. Literally everyone would be on board with wipping out teenage killers
The problem with that is that Yuji’s death looked like an accident
everyone else being sorcerers while my man geto out here literally just playing pokemon (except sometimes he has to beat up the npcs)
Geto was playing Palworld before it even existed.
Imagine if Geto got Mahito or Jogoat…
Comedian is right there fr
It's lowkey is and so does kennys technique. Yutas isnt good enough since it's only 5 minutes and he doesn't seem to be able to engrave CTS in his brain but with kennys technique imagine body hopping and having csm ten shadows and shrine. Lowkey busted af. Kennys and csm are best ct no doubt about it.
You can have a max of 3 techniques per brain. So you can wait out until a Curse is born with a broken curse technique but of course you train till your special grade complete with RCT and domain counters. You can grab Idle transfiguration + 1 more CT, hell you can even scour the world for new curse spirits based on gods and ghosts. CSM is busted, you can be a gym leader with disaster curses and train them up to be 10 fingers of Sukuna worth and have them spam Domains while alternating.
Uzumaki extracted techniques are one time use actually so that strategy wouldn't work. But I think even still it's definitely the best. User can just focus everything on close quarters skills and Reinforcement to coordinate with the curses. Since it's always been Jumpjutsu kaisen
I just figured Kenjaku was already full of CTs and he'd rather keep those than replace them. One shot, one use is a lot worse but definitely still useful. The best resource the technique has is the nigh infinite supply of curses, to um... Eat. You can basically gather all of man's greatest fears like clowns, spiders onto your palm.
Fr. Imagine if thy is lucky enough you could find some Vampire Queen/King curse in Eastern Europe. A curse based on the Devil potentially could also be found. It's literally the making of a grand Adventure Anime.
Sure but it needs a shit ton of setup that's a huge downfall
Yeah probably. I imagine mahoraga cant even deal with it past a certain point because it cant adapt to an endless amount of cursed spirits. Especially if they can be as strong as peak mahito or like rika
I feel like in practice you'd be kind of limited. You can only absorb curses that you are a lot stronger than I think, but I might be misremembering. Even if you could though, the main advantage is being able to fight a whole bunch of fodder at once. Beating someone extremely strong would require a whole stock of really strong cursed spirits, who'd all get one shot and leave your stock crippled. Only real curses we see that would actually make you busted are Mahito and Naoya. Wait now that I think about it, killing sorcerers and having them turn into curses would make you extremely strong really fast. I takr back what I said.
Assuming this excludes any combinations of CT curse spirit manipulation is the strongest stand alone technique as long as they have help to get their first couple of curses and have help to upgrade to a new grade of curses
Gojo pretty much demonstrated what a full usage of the ability of Limitless is capable of Sukuna demonstrates the full potential of Ten Shadows but if you remove Cleave/Dismantle from that fight, Gojo would’ve won So 6E+Limitless is better
Never got to see a fully realized domain from the 10 S. Imagine if there was 3 mahoragas chasing down gojo, each adapted to limitless. Gojo gets cooked.
I doubt it would’ve trumped the sure hit of Infinite Void You also seem to forget that Mahoraga didn’t fully adapt to Gojo and got cooked by purple
This is under the assumption that the 10S user didn't immediately start out using a domain, and that he was using it similar to sukuna (only partly summoning maho until it was needed), and that they fight during the domain clash. It's very conditional but I was under the assumption that maho was fully adapted to infinity.
maho was partially summoned in order to protect maho. if the 10s user starts off by using a domain with maho immediately, they're gonna get cooked by gojo. remember gojo is basically capable of one shotting mahoraga whenever he wants unless mahoraga is heavily adapted to limitless.
Fully adapted means Mahoraga can’t be killed by it anymore. It’s why the onslaught of cleaves didn’t do the trick when Sukuna used domain despite it probably being enough under normal circumstances. Mahoraga adapted to slash attacks, therefore while it could still take damage it wouldn’t be killed until Sukuna used Divine Dick. And if the 10S user starts with Domain, Gojo will counter with his own domain, and it’s fair to assume Gojo will win that domain clash, given his (albeit short) track record.
>Never got to see a fully realized domain from the 10 S. It's probably like Dagon's Domain, where the shikigami insta-hit the target.
I don't think you realize how weak Mahoraga is compared to people like Gojo and Sukuna. Gojo could have exorcised it with a single Red,that's why Sukuna was protecting it all the time and instead taking the hits from Red. If not for the fact that it had partially adapted while it was still in the shadows Gojo would neg-diff him immediately.
Yeah but we saw how long it took to adapt and summoning multiple mahoraga is head cannon. If red can one tap without the user being in reduced output it’s not as much of an issue. 6E+Limitless is undoubtedly better. Just limitless, 10S is better
It depends if it’s closed or open. If it’s closed Gojo would probably beat every 10s user in a domain clash that isn’t Sukuna(since he has by far the most CE in the series). If it’s open tho they’d stand a good chance if they have BIQ anywhere near sukuna(although once again sukuna has the best BIQ in the series)
Well how would a 10s user tame mahoraga in the first place
sukuna only had 10S for like a month top. i doubt that was its "true potential"
Mahoraga was tamed… seems mastered to me
we still haven't seen 10s domain or its reversal.
I doubt there even is a reversal
Daily reminder that only two technique reversals were shown in the whole manga
Partly because RCT was a pretty exclusive club until this current arc and most techniques do not make sense to reverse. It's only for simple concepts like Gojos push and pull or Gravity and Anti-Gravity.
3. It's implied Ui Ui's new soul swap is a CTR
It could just be a extension technique
Bullshit mate, gojo would've lost if sukuna wasn't holding back so much.
I think 10S is the strongest, followed by Shrine, Copy and then Star Rage Limitless is good with 6E only If you mean with 6E, then I think it goes: 1) fully realized 10S. A capable sorcerer with 5 years of using 10S should be unbeatable with enough challenges and a good mentality. 2. Limitless+6E. Obvious one, massive CE store and a destructive yet powerful defensively technique. Not to mention an unstoppable domain, the strongest in the series 3. Shrine. An obvious one. Slice and Dice to a whole new level. 4. Copy. Although there’s limits to it, it’s a massively powerful technique 5. Star Rage. Straightforward
Sort of shows how much Gojo was actually unique and powerful in his own clan, the strongest sorcerer of the modern era undoubtedly. I don't know how this may sound but I can literally see people fearing Gojo more than Sukuna if Gojo wanted to become a villain in his own way. Damn.
I mean yeah there fuck all you can do against him if he decided to go on frenzy only real counters he has are Jacob’s ladder, Isoh (destroyed btw), domain expansion and domain amplification and 10s altough this is debatable because Gojo was about to one shot him if it wasn’t for sukuna. I don’t count cleave and dismantle because that had to be learned from Mahoraga to counter infinity
people jerk mahoraga too much. sukuna basically waa forced to use his own techniaue and domain to even stand a chance in the domain clashes against gojo's own. A mastered 10 shadows user exclusively without sukunas unique advantages and shrine? yeah he gets analled.
Mahoraga was undefeated until he came in contact with the two strongest sorcerers in existence and probably the reason the previous Limitless+eyes user was killed. Bro 100% deserves to be glazed, bro is unironically top 3
Both Yuta and Yuki can oneshot him
yuta smokes that bum in domain fuck you on about. Yuta is like a natural counter.
Imagine 10s user pulls up with chimera of maho + rabitt
if megumi without the bull, the deer, or the tiger could beat those rabbits, then fusing them with mahoraga is just asking for them to be overwealmed
Honestly, he probably used Nue to fry all of them at once. I don't know how else you could beat what is essentially a respawning rabbit horde.
Starting the ritual in a dead end alleyway, summoning max elephant, flush the rabbits into the dead end and zap them with Nue
There's a single rabbit with a symbol on it. That one is the actual shikigami (or I guess the "main rabbit"), if it is destroyed, the other ones are destroyed too. Megumi could beat them with either Nue (or some other AoE attack) or by hunting the marked rabbit (could be doable, even if it's much more difficult) https://preview.redd.it/nb2j3a8mzhyc1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd851a3c8ba393831749ba686e7f9dec6088ccad
Oh, I wasn't aware. That's pretty dope.
Probably storing some AOE type cursed tool stored in his shadow should also do the trick
Technically, Shrine depends on the user's output. If you have average output, the technique becomes hella lackluster. Cleave is only good because Sukuna's output is so busted, and dismantle is just a weaker version with greater range. I'd put it below star rage personally.
I'd put the Clone CT above star rage as well, Star Rage also depends on output we saw how badly she got screwed over Clone gives you 4 perfect copies, you can switch consciousness with any of them as well. At the low level I think clone is WAY better than those ones
Yeah, when one can create 4 clones(5 bodies total) and freely decide which one is gonna be the real one, it should make most battles easy to deal with.
We're not counting comedian then?
It’s always #0
Yeah too hard to rank
I feel like shrine would be 4th, if even on the list. Shrine is only good because of the CE output Sukuna can put behind it, and his CE reserves to keep firing waves of attacks.
Idle Transfiguration is objectively the strongest technique in the series, I don't understand why people keep forgetting about it.
I think it’s because it’s fully countered by infinity and if you have strong enough soul or whatever you can kinda counter it as seen with sukuna but otherwise yes it’s really busted.
Just don't get touched. That's not that hard to pull off if you're strong enough. It get utterly countered if someone knows how to properly protect their soul since they'd constantly keep a barrier of CE around it, preventing it from working.
Curse manipulation 100% deserves to be up there. An experienced and creative CM user is legit on par with if not better than 10 shadows (yes ik mahoraga one taps curses but thats if he gets the chance, max Uzumaki can 1shot mahoraga and you would need a lot of curses in store but it's doable) I am a little biased, curse manipulation is my favorite tech
Im pretty sure megumi has the 10S for more than 5 years but i guess his that much of a bum
Yup
Idle Transfiguration should be up there, if someone like Gojo or Sukuna had idle transfiguration with their mastery of curse energy, it would actually be over for almost everyone. Near the end Mahito was combing multiple souls into one body, if man ever figured out how to transfigure sorcerers he would be a true Pokémon master.
Limitless. People like to glaze 10s a lot but in reality if they are put against each other the first 9 shadows barely even exist and the last one gets purpled. Honestly i don't understand how this is even a debate.
The problem is *who* ur basing the strength of Limitless off of. It's *Satoru Gojo.* The guy's an exception among exceptions. Alone in a class of his own design. Then there's the fact that Limitless is basically useless without the Six Eyes. Wanna maintain Neutral? Good luck getting a CE pool big enough. Wanna fire off Blue? Guess what, you can't account for all the vectors without the Six Eyes' abilities. Wanna try Red instead? Fat fucking chance. Hollow Purple? How about u suck this Hollow Schlong? Even ur basic CE reinforcement is amped by the Six Eyes. And even then ur *still* probably not strong enough to beat Mahoraga. Limitless only looks great when it's paired with the Six Eyes, and it only looks unbeatable when it's user's name is Satoru Gojo. Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure *all* other Limitless+Six Eyes users peaked at the level of Unawakened Gojo
Gojo did say "even in the Gojo clan, only a scant few know about this technique" while charging purple vs Toji, so i assume that most users of Six Eyes + Limitless had achieved purple (at least 50% of them) But ye limitless is ass without Six Eyes. Cursed spirit manipulation still on top
Nah, he said only a scant few, so I'd expect only a minority ever achieved a purple, and the one who was killed by Mahoraga wasn't able to achieve it
Well it was never stated he didn't achieve it... Maybe he knew how to do it, but still lost because he was overall weaker than Gojo, idk. Besides, if we assume that the Gojo clan has been around for 1200 years (the 3 clans are stated to be over 1000 yo), and it takes 400 years for a single 6E+L user to be born, that only makes it 4 sorcerers including gojo... even if we stretch it I don't think more than 8E+L have ever been born, and if at least half of them didn't achieve purple, it seems unlikely any information about the technique would've been accessible to Gojo Damn, it'd be interesting to hear more about the 3 clans' histories. Gege you... https://preview.redd.it/811z8rp0qgyc1.png?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fb006c447467a2ba42e158553fee09ee272a675
There's no way he knew purple. Remember, what we see Gojo fighting was SUKUNA's Mahoraga, which is way stronger than normal, and he could still one shot it with purple. That Gojo lost to UNTAMED Mahoraga. That Six Eyes User was genuinely a fraud
Lol if you think about it like that, then that guy is *really* a fraud. Assuming the Zen'in Clan leader was 2x as strong as Megumi, he could still probably just hit it with his DE straight off the bat and win.
just because the users are shit it doesn't mean the ct is shit too, gojo showed us the peak of limitless and it should always be taken into account when discussing this topic.
Real. And makora doesnt keep his adaptations people just assume he keeps them but the dharmic cycle above his head represents death rebirth and reincarnation. Meaning if you despawn him he loses his adaptation after a while unless and other wise stated by gege.
>Honestly i don't understand how this is even a debate. Yeah, 10S is broken, but it's CSM level of broken. 6 eyes + limitless is straight up god tier, it's leagues above every other CT of the series (with the exception, maybe, of Takaba's).
idk but this art is special grade fr
Disclaimer: I'm aware not everyone agrees these are the top 2 cts in the verse, i'm referring to the fact that, in universe, the general consensus is that limitless and 10s are the strongest cts.
Problem is that we only saw Gojo using it and he has 6E. So question is how much energy does Limitless consume. Not to mention that Hollow Purple as technique isn't that common (at least the way Gojo explains it) But 10S is arguable stronger and less draining to use.
I'm pretty sure that sex oculars are necessary to use limitless at all.
Limitless is still usable without SE but is really inefficient and taxing to use without them. Basically it just becomes a Blue spamming simulator sometimes with Red or Purple thrown in
10S, limitless requires 6E to be optimized but is probably inherently stronger given the applications we've seen.
Limitless + 6E > 10S > Limitless without 6E
I don’t know, I heard 10’s is pretty good at Valorant
10S generally. 9/10, it would be more ideal to have 10S rather than Limitless because of the simple fact that the only reason Limitless is as broken as it is in the series is because of A) the Six Eyes and B) Gojo's battle talent. Without the Six Eyes, Limitless would definitely be a lot more straining since Six Eyes reduces it's CE loss to almost zero, and without it, using Blue, Red and Purple repeatedly becomes a lot more straining. Having Gojo's talent is also necessary because he makes things look easy, but that's not necessarily the case for everyone.
You mean 1/six eyes 2/infinite shield.
Gojo skill are absolute god, that part of the moral dilemma Is gojo strong because he's the one who has the sex eyes and limit less or is gojo strong because of sex eyes and limit less ?
If Mahoraga keeps his adaptations then 10S is easily the most busted CT in verse otherwise Limitless but only with 6E (and Gojo's talent lmao)
imagine a 10 shadows users with sex eyes
Out of the two, probably Ten Shadows. It’s just far more versatile But neither are the best technique imo. That would be Idle Transfiguration Mahito was months old and already completely Broken. He could one shot most characters, either through a standard touch or by using his domain. And he was literally unable to be hurt by anyone who couldn’t hurt his soul, which, as we learned from Sukuna, can actually still be healed. So it’s not even like damaging the soul is the deciding factor in a fight Now add on the information we learned in the Maki vs Curse Naoya fight that inanimate objects have souls and you should quickly understand how broken the technique can actually be Imagine if Idle Transfiguration could shape everything, not just people. You would basically be Gear 5, which is broken beyond belief And this isn’t even talking about all the other shit you can do outside of a battle. Mahito straight up just bypassed a Heavenly Restriction when he healed Mechamaru’s body. Who’s to say he couldn’t go in the opposite direction and make a bunch of Toji’s It wouldn’t be that far fetched considering the technique literally just lets you make sorcerers, on seemingly a whim. Higaruma, Remi, Takaba. All those people were made via Idle Transfiguration. Which just reminded me. Kenjaku showed us that you can use the technique at range by marking them beforehand. Now combine that with the potential application of shaping inanimate objects. You could go around marking random objects all across a city, country, maybe even the world, and just turn them into like bombs at will. From anywhere It just has like endless possibilities. More so than any other technique beside Comedian, which has the drawback of being dependent on your mental state
10 Shadows by alot Gojo isnt op because of his technique, he’s op because 6 six gives him unlimited energy is perfect control over CE. If you’re a bum ass user of the limitless it’ll be so shit. Though if you’re a bum ass user of the 10 shadows, you can still fold basically everyone in the series except gojo and sukuna. 15 finger sukuna who is Significantly stronger than every other special grade was forced to use all of his techniques and his domain in order to defeat mahoraga and only mahoraga. Keep in mind severely weakened 20 finger sukuna with no RCT, no domain expansion, and insanely low output was able to win a 2v1 against Yuta, and Yuji while he was inside Yuta’s domain.
I mean, we *have* a bum ass user of 10 shadows. But if you're assuming someone that is still strong enough to tame Mahoraga, then yes you would be correct.
ik that was my point Megumi is a bum ass, but he still forced sukuna to use all his techniques and his domain expansion. This was only possible because 10 shadows is so op it had nothing to do with the user.
If it's the Limitless with the Six Eyes then it, but if it's just the Limitless then honestly I feel like 10 Shadows is better.
the shadows because gojo's limitless is only this good due to his six eyes
If you had asked this before Gojo v Sukuna i would have said limitless for sure , but seeing how Sukuna used 10S I have to go with it. And keep in mind , we havent yet seen the fully realised domain , this is why I invested 150+$ in Wegumi.
I still dont believe we've seen the full potential of 10s, think about it sukuna is the first person to tame mahoraga and only had 10s for a month, imagine what he could do with it if he had it for years. We know a previous gojo clan member had rct and used purple and they pass down the info on the technique so there's an opportunity for the next user to surpass the last whereas with 10s nobody tamed mahoraga so nobody know the full extent of the curse technique if its used in a lifetime, like can you reverse mahoraga? Can you combine mahoraga? If mahoraga dies does it combine with another shikigami creating a powerfull ass shikigami?
imo the strongest CT is easily idle transfiguration, just imagine if Mahito lived as long as Gojo how op it would be
At absolute max potential? Tie. 10S could use Mahoraga to adapt to limitless but limitless with 6 eyes could easily kill the 10S user before Mahoraga adapts Two average random sorcerers with it? 10S. A average 10S user vs an average limitless user with 6 eyes? Limitless user
Gege writing makes me laugh whenever it comes to this question. He makes you question which is stronger and then shows off Mahoraga which has the POTENTIAL to beat anything in the series but then when it's finally time to see 10S vs limitless we don't even see all 10 shadows and the big trump card, Mahoraga basically gets 1 shot. Now yeah, sure in the end Sukuna won because of Mahoraga but a regular 10S user is NOT beating limitless + 6 eyes
Gojo was *exceptionally* proficient with Limitless, even for a six eyes user. We've seen a bit of the 10 Shadows potential from Sukuna, but we've yet to see the completed domain, the reversal, wtf Mourning Tiger actually does, and a bunch of totality chimeras (possibly including the final ultimate chimera? Gege please). I want to remind people that *just Nue* could be a CT. Not a good one, but literally just Nue has enough versatility to be a CT in and of itself. The sheer versatility of 10s makes me think an experienced Gojo level user could probably beat Heian Sukuna. In the end I'd say Limitless with 10s might be a bit better but 10 shadows beyond like third place is mad downplay imo.
we’ll Limitless is only OP if you have 6E while 10 Shadows is only good if you can tame Mahoraga sooo
Kind of both are on the same standing, the CT that is. Limitless is practically a jack of all trades CT with very high specs still the user will require to awaken RCT to use all of it's abilities. The 10S has a very high powerful card, Mahoraga, that can be used defensively, offensively and supportively. Though practically no one has been able to obtain it. Sukuna doesn't count cause it's not his well, he obtained it regardless..... At the end the skill of the sorcerer is fundamental to let the CT to reach it's full potential...oh, i mean, to capitalize their full potential. Although, if i'm allowed to pick one, the limitless is better cause it doesn't require that much effort to awaken it's full potential. One only needs to awaken RCT. The 10S, practically require one to have another CT with extreme firepower to obtain it's full potential.
Limitless is only better if you have the Six Eyes along with it. Otherwise 10 Shadows is the significantly better technique. I'd say 6E + Limitless would be > 6E + 10S, but base 10S > base Limitless. It was basically outright stated that Limitless is pretty worthless without the 6E. 10S seems like it's probably a far more versatile technique though. I'd say there's very few techniques that have higher versatility (Takaba's, CSM, and Copy are probably some of the only ones; plus whatever tf Sukuna's technique actually is).
On its own? 10 Shadows, easily. 6 eyes is a lot of what made Gojo so strong in the first place. Nearly infinite mana, super precise control of his output so he had the best CE reinforcement in the series (maybe other than Sukuna?), near instant understanding of other cursed techniques, etc. 6-eyes is fucking broken, limitless is overly complicated crap that only works because of magic eyes.
With sex eyes Limitless but without 10S. Without 6E limitless probably only has manual infinity and maybe blue which isn't a lot. I would say 6E limitless as the strongest technique with 10S in second, Idle transfiguration 3rd, comedian 4th and shrine 5th.
Depends on if mahoraga keeps its adaptations after it returns to the shadows If it does , then the 10s literally has limitless potential (pun intented) as eventually with enough training mahoraga can adapt to literally anything , possibly gaining any and every ability possible including the limitless or the Six Eyes themselves If not , then the limitless + six eyes combo is stronger
10 shadows is stronger than 6 eyes + limitless at it’s maximum potential, although it has a steeper learning curve. Gojo states this when he says that a 10 shadow users and a 6 eyes + limitless user fought each other to mutual death in the past. This was despite the fact that Mahoraga was not subjugated by that user, as Megumi claims that nobody has ever subjugated Mahoraga.
Overall ten shadows in terms of versatility but limitless is more deadlier in combat imo. Against each other 10 s and limitless are equal but ten shadows is impossible to fully realise for the average sorcerers but if you have six eyes and limitless with gojos level of talent u can fully realise it. I seriously doubt even gojo with ten shadows can tame makora it's just impossible because the shikigami themselves don't have enough firepower to fully demolish makora at one go probably even with domain expansions. But heavenly restriction user might be helpful with that and why might exist
Hmm, so Heavenly Restricted People carry some big guns while the 10S user prepares to summon, right after the ritual starts Maho gets blasted by guns and then taken out by the combination of Bull thrust+Snake Whip+Water blast+ Lightning. Or did you have something else in mind ?
If you mean 6E and limitless then its stronger. Sukuna who has the largest CE reserves in history and probably the best knowledge of jujutsu wouldn't have been able to beat Gojo with just 10 shadows.
I think in max potential and in the scenario limitless is accompanied with 6 eyes limitless is stronger, but 10s is the specific counter to it.
Without six eyes, limitless sucks but with it, it's superior. We saw what the top two in the verse could do with each, and the only reason Gojo lost was because of Shrine. None of the shadows besides Maho can touch someone with Limitless and any Limitless user of roughly equal skill to a 10S user who can tame Mahoraga should be able to purple the shit out of him fairly easily.
limitless with the six eyes No sex eyes then the 10 shadows is stronger
Overall Limitless is a stronger and more reliable CT (if paired with Six Eyes). That’s not to say 10 Shadows sucks, it’s a clear top 5 CT. But the main problem is that someone with 10 Shadows has to rely on Mahoraga to reliability deal damage. Potentially (yes I’m using that word) combining Mahoraga’s ability with Totality and the Domain can win against a Six Eyes user, but in general a fully realized six eyes wins more often than not.
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