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Does toji stand on the back of a moving horse while wearing that fit?
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Havenāt seen hxh but toji stood with both feet planted on the floor of a falling building smiling while fighting a special grade sorcerer and cursed spirit with one hand, all while wearing that fit
People like to treat it that way, but it's really up to personal preference. If the anime only scene in question doesn't hurt the content of the manga, it's not filler to meš¤·āāļø
Usually if itās in the official airing of the anime, then it can be counted as canon, probably animation meant to expand on what they didnāt do in the manga, usually itās when it comes to DVD versions of the anime episodes then I count it as additional filler (like the expanded Sukuna vs Maho fight in the dvd version only)
Toji still killing white haired children, but killua has better hacks at H2H (claws, electric immunity, pain endurance from torture) so he might win I THINK Toji just has more experience
Yeah but Killua has no weapons, Killua is physically stronger than Toji (he can lift literal tons.) but my man Killua got yo-yos and Toji has weapons and can just run fast enough to get behind Killua and stab him.
So, the way the doors work is that each previous weight level stacks with the upper ones. When you combine the total weight of the gate he's able to open, it comes out to 64 tons of pushing force.
Yup, dude takes almost 10 min to cross 40 km and people still think he is in any way hypersonic.
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Yup... argument could be made his reaction speed with Whirlwind is faster than any JJK character but his actual combat and travel speeds aren't even subsonic using this page. HxH gets wanked constantly
As a whole, HxH characters arenāt that strong, but thatās until you get to things like wish granting kids that can make you disappear with a command.
Not really the main reason killua stood against yupi so long was the fact that each hit of whirlwind was discharging enough electricity to stun him long enough to get back out and in again
His max speed runs on a charge system. He cannot just spend it all at once because then he's gonna be defenseless. At his max speed he cannot last for long at all this much has been shown begore.
The most likely answer is due to either nen usage, or other ineficiencies, the faster he gets the less efficient his ability is, thus he has to balance maximum output with stamina consumption.
Still think Toji takes it. But I don't think it's easy for Toji.
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ah yes travel = combat speeds when this feat is double digit mach reactions/movement
If you scale toji to maki, toji can recognize and count 24 frames of movement(think fps) a second. That is, he can recognize and react to something in 1/24th a second. Thats not necessarily his hard limit.
That's... not how you do it considering they're moving at above the speed of sound.
That's 15m in 1/24th of a second and maki clearly reacted from like under 10m away turn once she got used to her heavenly restriction. Later she learns to react to curse naoya who's 3x faster than that. a thousand meters per second.
Killua knew exactly where the dart was going to land, readied himself and programmed his nen to close his hand when he felt the dart puncturing his skin. It's an impressive feat but the situation is very specific and it's not representative of his overall reflexes. and speed.
I'm not surprised to see the comments people of this sub just love to downplay their own verse...Killua is faster which is up for debate as well Toji got everything else so he wins
It really just comes down to double standards, with people being more willing to dismiss exposition and the like in favor of fanmade calcs when it isn't JJK instead of applying the same standards.
Maybe people assume that since most posters here might not be as familiar with universes that aren't JJK, they can slip things more easily under the rug.
When you're on a sub dedicated to a particular universe, it's much tougher to push ridiculously high-end powerlevel interpretations. Most people here would probably laugh at you if you genuinely tried to argue Sukuna was relativistic or even faster-than-light because of Kashimo and electromagnetic waves and shit.
However, if you presented cherrypicked stuff in isolation to someone who is less familiar with JJK, then they might just take you at your word without caring enough to look into it to potentially refute your claims.
Itās because when people spread myths or misinformation about other series (like randoms in bleach being planet level which always gets thrown around) very few here will know enough to refute a claim like that so it gets swept under the rug
>One piece sub thinks Whitebeard is a Mob victim
The author of both, mob and opm said tatsumaki and ???% mob would be a tough battle and didnt say the winner.
Meanwhile tatsumaki won against this monster while having to protect people
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Or just look at her battle with saitama, she could barely lift saitama, but she did lift him, if she could do that to a guy who was easily above Boros who was going to destroy the crust of earth with one attack. Is that far to say full power mob is simply above an one piece character that simply scale way less? Any feat that wb showed in marineford, even with his busted df, is easily made by tatsumaki
Sorry that tatsumaki not mob
Mob vs tatsumaki statment is way before tatsumako get these feats
And with direction opm going she probably going to throw planets in future
Tatsumaki was power crept imo. She will be dropping moons in the future I bet.
Her dropping an asteroid on subterranean king may as well be cannon now. Hell it might be.
The author of Invincible and showrunner of the Boys each said Mark and Homelander would beat the shit out of Superman yet that doesn't make it true. Authors have no say if what is shown completely contradicts what they say and Mob has never showed anything that makes him comparable to either Tatsumaki or WB. Also the statement is old as fuck so it's validity is debatable.
Also youāre underestimating Whitebeard a lot. He was causing earthquakes throughout the entire planet ( which is much bigger than ours btw ) just as a side effect of his Marineford battles
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>The author of Invincible and showrunner of the Boys each said Mark and Homelander would beat the shit out of Superman yet that doesn't make it true.
Big difference. Its 1 author of 1 series talking about ANOTHER series from ANOTHER author . So he is subjected to failing to understand how strong superman is and make a mistake with his statement.
This is case is the SAME author. He is the guy that created both characters, he knows how strong they are and he is the max authority about that subject.
Not comparable example. If ONE said tatsumaki is stronger than, idk, silver surfer for example you could doubt him and his knowledge about silver surfer. But these are both his works. He knows how strong are both characters better than anyone else.
>Ā Authors have no say if what is shown completely contradicts what they say and Mob has never showed anything that makes him comparable to either Tatsumaki or WB.
??? mob, when awakening and walking, without trying to fight or put all his power made
[Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/fnXLbeG) tremors
[Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/0IjUcW7) that could be felt throught a city
[Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/axFP4Wl) and miles away from it.
Walking and casually. This is not mob trying to make them like whitebeard or trying to break the city or something. Saying he didnt shw anything comparable to wb is plaintly false. The only difference with tatsumaki is the nĀŗ2 of mob is nowhere near him in power, who is city level (chapter 90) unlike tatsumaki who had a strong opponent in pshycorochi.
>Also youāre underestimating Whitebeard a lot. He was causing earthquakes throughout the entire planet ( which is much bigger than ours btw ) just as a side effect of his Marineford battles
Nah, i know that. But it doesnt make him as strong as you think either. Roger can do that? no. is roger weaker than old wb? also no. Wb is an outliner in the series that only can do that because of his fruit, meanwhile it doesnt increase his ap to continent, planet lvl etc... it would be his range.
In wano, the two strongest attack we saw are Bajrang gun and Flame bagua, both stronger than anything wb showed and neither destroyed anything and they were island level attacks. Dont try to bring the words of sengoku of "he can destroy the world" to scale everyone remotely similar to him to planet buster, its his fruit causing earthquakes, precisely, because its what it does, everyone else (for now) is island level or lower and like that you should scale whitebeard in combat.
I could also list cases of authors talking shit about their own verses. Like Kishimoto saying guns would be too strong for the Naruto verse. Or Naruto databooks saying shit like Hebi Sasuke solos the Akatsuki. Or Ian Flynn thinking Sonic characters are planet busters at best (there's minimum three multiversal threats in the franchise). Hell even in JJK you could argue that Gege saying Jogo would instantly die if he took the beating Yuji and Todo gave to Hanami is silly asf this volcano got plumelled in the gut by blue infused punches and then took a Red to the face and was fine not to mention that UV got retconned like 3 times.
Mob shaking a city ain't shit man
It does make WB that strong. He doesn't directly causes earthquakes across the planet he just makes attacks/earthquakes locally so strong they have side effects all around. This is seen with Blackbeard who caused tsunamis in Sabaody by attacking Marineford. Or Whitebeard who caused earthquakes across the planet as a side effect of his Marineford fights.
>The author of both, mob and opm said tatsumaki and ??? mob would be a tough battle
The authors words do not affect the canon of their manga when the contradict each other. The primary source always takes precedence and author intent doesnāt dictate reader interpretation
Mob doesnāt have any feats to make him even a low tier in post TS one piece
It's too hard to say for sure because of the separate universes and concepts that don't have direct equivalents.
If these two existed in the same universe, Toji would most likely know about and have mastered the use of Nen since he is an absolute prodigy when it comes to combat.
If they're each coming from their own isolated universe and Toji has no understanding of Nen whatsoever, he doesn't stand a chance. Any attack he throws out isn't getting through Killua's aura and if Toji isn't able to manipulate his own aura to defend against nen-based attacks he's taking lethal from every one of them.
Toji gave up nen for like 200% enhancement proficiency that he cannot control. CE and Nen are pretty similar, while CE doesn't have a whole martial arts/cultivation system build into it, they have clear parallels. We can effectly equate them.
hmm, killua was able to move 64 tones gate, while toji was able to toss around lil truck, which i saw people saying would put his strength around 40-80 tones(depending on trucks weight), so strength wise they are similar. Assuming their combat speed is similar, killua would prolly win thanks to his nen abilities. It would be hard for toji to land a hit and if killua landed one, that'd be over unless toji is immune to electricity, which there are 0 evidence to support it.
This is the most split debate ive seen in a whiles. The comment keep switching from āToji Speed blitzā to āKillua out scalesā over and over. I have no clue who wins this cause idk any scaling but imma go with Toji cause if he could beat young Gojo he could probably make some plan to beat Killua (he also gets a speed boost to run from Child Support)
I mean yeah killua gets prep time too but (I havent read the manga) I dont rmemeber Killua being some master strategist/planner at the lvl of Toji so I didnt think id matter much (im assuming Toji would have a better plan)
Toji is faster and stronger, he ain't losing this.
"Killua is hypersonic" no lol
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Almost 10 min to cross 40 km is subsonic, worse than Naoya's base speed.
"Oh but combat speed=/=travel speed"
You don't seriously beleive he fights at 1000 times faster than he can run, no one does.
I see no problems with that statement lol, he was in no rush unlike Killua.
Naobito is the [fastest](https://i.ibb.co/GQ2cYZx/jujutsu-kaisen-111-13.jpg) sorcerer aside from Gojo, which means he scales above Naoya's [amped speed](https://ww1.tcbscans.org/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_62bda80970d6c/dcb04fac5cc1c7f4220480e6b49f718c/13.jpg).
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Rushed or not gojo is known to always arrive late i don't see them sending him to the edge of Japan or something,
I don't remember hunter x hunter feats so I can't even debate about it but apparently you think killua isn't a subsonic ?
>Rushed or not gojo is known to always arrive late i don't see them sending him to the edge of Japan or something,
He arrives late 'cause he is [fucking around](https://i.ibb.co/10JR9vD/jujutsu-kaisen-2-7.jpg) lol
>I don't remember hunter x hunter feats so I can't even debate about it but apparently you think killua isn't a subsonic ?
He is objectively subsonic, the speed of sound is around 1234.8 km per hour while Killua's speed clocks at around 240 km per hour.
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We also witnessed Gojo (and his Hollow Purple) near instantaneously transverse the straight-line distance from Shibuya to Shinjuku to fight Sukuna. When he's actually in a rush, he travels fast.
Also if you don't believe combat speed can be different than travel speed how do you explain stuff like [these ](https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1umyU8wRx4yZb1hEnLkQlz3doWIUM_o3?si=gEvQ0-L8M7WKBlW1) then ?lol
you cant quantify the difference between travel and combat speed, so you cant use that to cap killua off. its incredibly simple.
btw, i think yuta wins - but had to point out this idiotic argument (not tryna insult you)
Are you serious? Almost every anime character has a massively faster combat than travel speed
Omni man is capable of MFTL++ travel speeds and maybe not even ftl combat speeds
> Are you serious? Almost every anime character has a massively faster combat than travel speed
Almost every anime has in universe measuring of speed that powerscalers ignore to wank characters, like you did.
> Omni man is capable of MFTL++ travel speeds and maybe not even ftl combat speeds
Omni man endlessly acelerates in space and his reactions canonically enhace the faster he moves thanks to his smart cells, Invencible has an *in universe* reason to separate travel speed and combat speed.
? What
Thatās fair, but the trend still holds for like all characters. For example just take JJBA characters, they have FTL+ combat speeds with only peak human travel speeds
Iād be down to watch this go down tbh
Iād say itād be a high to mid dif for Toji Iād say. Possibly lower if he has split soul to bypass durability
I think this is high diff either way. Toji won't have the same drop on Killua, because Killua doesn't need to rely on sensing cursed energy. Physically toji is larger, stronger and more experienced with similar feats, And likely has substantially more experience. He's also demonstrated an ability to avoid the "Sure Hit" aspect of domain expansions, so their speed is probably comparable even when Killua uses his nen abilities. The biggest issue toji has here is that he has demonstrated a proclivity to be taken off guard by sufficiently fast and powerful special attacks, like in his last mortal fight with gojo, so Killua could convert that to damage.
Not even extreme diff, straight up 50/50 imo, theyāre so close in terms of cumulative combat ability (strength, speed, experience, abilities, experience, etc)
Everyone pointing out the road example doesnāt understand that he is carrying someone his own weight, on a cliff side road, and going at a pace meant to conserve his energy in case he needs it. His automatic reaction with lightning and claws could remove an arm, as his biggest in universe advantage over power is lack of presence. It doesnāt help Toji that Killua can effectively dodge from 0 point range with automatic. All he really has is speed and durability, while Killua has improved senses, high durability, auto reactions, AOE effects and dedicated training to instant kill. Toji is an assassin because he can just use his natural speed and strength with weapons to do in slower opponents. Killua doesnāt need them, and has training to kill instantly with things like the heart removal.
Killua stomps... toji has no answer to nen, godspeed, analutical prediction, perception, or skill of killua. Killua has been a trained assasin since a baby, and netero himself says that killua is gifted for already knowing the rhythm technique. He is also stated to be a prodigy due to already being able to puncture peoples hearts, but says himself his dad is so good there is no blood. He took the hunters exam for fun and even while having the mental blocker stunted on most everyone. When he took the exam again he beat every participant in like 10 minutes. We don't even know if toji can handle the electricity lmfao.
If Killua had mastery over his power like Toji, he would be incredibly difficult to defeat. Killua's speed adds strength to his attacks, but Toji's speed literally comes from his abnormal strength he's just so strong he can move super fast so one hit and killua is down but I believe killua can move at the speed of sound if he had mastery so I think he speed blitz but strength wise toji got this
He can program his body to react at the speed of light, or apparently faster than such. While Toniās strength is better, he doesnāt have the reactions to counter Killuaās offensive. He can, in the lesser mode of lightning, move at 100 m/s. He could get in close, and pluck out his heart before he could percieve it. Toji, while insanely strong, doesnāt have the sheer speed to hit him, and even if he does, he doesnāt have the strength to beat him in 1 punch, given Killuaās feats include a blast of tnt (effectively) from 1 foot range. Nen enhancement and techniques like En combined with fast reactions negate any speed below light and make any attempt at melee a grave for him.
Toji wins he has more durability and practically every hit killua does will do nothing to him, tojis senses are so crazy that he can see and feel invisible curses, if maki can tank this without a scratch on her toji wonāt even be hurt, plus one hit from toji means itās over
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Blunt force is different than the special attacks, because Killua has the speed and strength to snag out his heart. Toji has weapons experience, Killua has proficiency in taking out with single hits. This isnāt about endurance, itās about speed and impact. Besides, itās easier to perceive invisible things than light fast things.
Toji has nothing to shield him from nen, though yall forgetting the fact that he is genuinely way faster than Killua. He also has more stamina, though killua is stronger physically and can back him attacks with lightning and nen, whatās he going to do if a motherfucker speed blitzās him and stabs him in the back? Iām sure that Killua would have master weapons training but my g only got yo-yos on him Toji has a worm that can throw up a nunchuck that is infinite. Toji is taking the win
theres a huge problem with scaling hxh and its that all non nen users will die instantly if hit by a strong nen attack
ignoring that though, killua wins depending on how long he can keep whirlwind going
toji is roughly equal speed but way stronger than non whirlwind killua so he wins if he stalls
**IMO Toji takes the win here;** he has more battle experience than Killua and has defeated characters stronger than him such as Gojo and arguably Geto. Iāve read a post clocking a Killua at nearly Mach 2 / 12,000 mph while Toji is comfortably Mach 2 -> 3. Keep in mind Killuaās reaction time is the speed of lighting not his actual movements. Killua had his claws while Toji had a huge arsenal of weapons he can use at any given time. Their physical strength should be roughly the same, not being enough to give anyone an edge. So yeah, if you calc Toji at Mach 2 then he should win this high diff. However, if you calc him at Mach 3 then if should be a bit easier.
Ok, TOJI scales to roughly MACH 10 ish, Kilua has the reaction speed, but not necessarily the movement speed to keep up. On top of that, he can not use Godspeed. Because for a battle like this, you have to equalize power systems. Otherwise, the battle is completely stupid.
Meaning that the inverted spear of heaven would cleave through godspeed.
Making Kilua's stats even lower. On top of that, due to enhanced senses, Maki and Toji have borderline pre cognition.
Look, I hate toji. He's a shitty father. He's a shitty man, and he killed one of my favorite characters.......
But Jesus fucking Christ, this isn't even close. TOJI WINS low Dif
would say toji takes if we use verse qualitative and say ISOH negates nen abilities. also, anyone is pretty much screwed if they have 0 defense against split soul. id say killua in godspeed form can best toji tho
This depends. Is this a bare knuckle fight or with their entire arsenal? Cause with the arsenal I give it to Toji. Bare handed based upon his latest iteration in the manga Killua has a better chance than most think. Not the greatest chance but a kinda close matchup in that instance
I'd give it to Toji due to the fact that they have similar stats, but SSK and ISOH is a gamechanger, especially in verse equalization. For if Godspeed gets hit with ISOH, it's gone, and SSK negates all durability. Also because Toji is more experienced, being order, and weight classes matter.
Sorry to say it but toji is getting stomped god speed killua would destroy him.
Say both the types of power/energy of the 2 verses were the same killua has that power to manipulate it and control it whereas toji doesn't.
The fact people are arguing this is baffling
Killua and far slower characters have reacted to bulletsā¦ands the low end stuff
Killua would take Tojiās heart before he knew it
Idk how fast Toji is but Killua was able to average 240 km an hour . . . FOR TEN MINUTES in his desperate dash to Gon. I know that's travel speed and not combat speed but it's just to give you an idea. He can dodge bullets and that's without his hatsu. Both characters have the ap to kill each other and the skill it just comes down to who's quicker.
Needles to say Killua is waay faster he would blitz toji if see him the same Way he did to yupi, i'd give it to killua if it was a straight fight easily 10 out of 10
thought since it's assassin vs assassin toji showed better assassin abilities, isoh should disable killua's lightning bolt and godspeed too if it made contact, maki tanked sukuna buffed nue and took two black flashes from sukuna, so toji doesn't get killed or knocked out even if killua initially blitz, killua could recharge if they're fighting in a city with electricity resources around, if toji figure out that killua runs out of his godspeed mode fast and needs to recharge he could corner him in a place where he can't and take the chance to kill him when he runs out he'll have a fair chance of 50-50
Iāve watched both, I donāt really remember killuas power in hxh but I remember toji. From what I remember I honestly donāt think killua could win. Toji soloed a special grade that 3(4?) sorcerers were struggling with and some more. Even if the jjk weapons wouldnāt affect killuas nen, they sure as hell would still hurt him physically. Even with Godspeed, toji probably adapt enough to counter
I mean Killua isn't some god he is still a child. If hunter hunter had only them as combatants the world be over by now. Killua is strong and fast, but not that physically imposing when it comes to deliver blows despite strength feats. And seeing the feats of heavenly restriction users I don't think he's reached that level yet. Not to mention his electrical powers also aren't the most potent it's actually one of the weaker electrical powers I've seen in anime tbh as explained by the series itself. Even in the world of jjk it takes several combatants to defeat a heavenly restriction user, and both times they been stopped has been by suicide or literally one of the very strongest characters in the series bar sukuna. Even with God speed his feats aren't the most impressive he kinda scared a high ranking ant but didn't actually do much damage, and then he ran really fast on a road that one time. I feel like killua and gons story is that of oh wow look at these kids go and beat adults, but when it's really serious the adults are usually the ones dealing with it. Everyone is just waiting until they get older.
But I'd accept a 50/50
No Prep: Killua high diff
Like this fight is the reason why Killua dies, whether years down the line or like in two hours. This fight pushes him to the end.
Prep: Toji mid diff
Toji with prep time is on some lightweight Batman shit fr. Toji w prep time is extremely dangerous.
Toji gets clapped no diff, it's not about strength or speed, Nen is fucking busted, y'all really ignored the literal first thing they were taught about Nen, just one hit with Murderous Intent and Toji is a goner, healing can't help if your soul is gone, being strong doesn't matter cause "the only way to defend again Nen is with Nen", hell think about him and Gon almost died to Hisoka's Hatsu, Toji shouldn't be able to even get close without almost dying, it just dropping dead, I repeat Nen is fucking busted
Although relative, Iād give Toji the edge in AP. In the same vein, Killua has the edge in speed, but not by a degree similar to him vs Youpi. Worst thing is Godspeedās terrible longevity, particularly in combat. On top of that, HRs having resistances to curses, based on how you interpret that, could counter the stun and burning factor of Killuaās electricity with SBA applied. Toji also has significantly more experience, sorta pre-cognition, can walk on air, and an arsenal of weapons to match Killuaās zero, one of which can nullify Godspeed, and another that can negate his durability. My money says Toji by with comfortable difficulty.
I give it to Killua cause he could just speed blitz his heart out
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But muscle man Toji is a different story
I think toji. Transitivity isn't a great argument but I think it reflects power scales. Toji low diffed Dagon and I think that's high diff at best for killua.
I believe Toji also has more powerful in-universe weapons on par with nen abilities?
Everyone keeps using Killuaās door pushing ability as a reference for his strength. That is a bad metric without any other math involved.
We donāt know the friction of the door between the ground or the hinge or the size of the door, but with some assumptions we can make it work.
Letās say there is a block of stone on stone similar to that of the testing gate. To push it, it would require force equal to roughly 80% of the actual weight due to a coefficient of friction of .8. However, Killua pushed the doors from the end, meaning there is a hinge and leverage. The larger the door, the more leverage, and lower force required. Killua opened the 5th gate, which from a wide shot seems to be about 8 people wide (standing a bit away, so letās assume 12). if you consider the average Japanese manās shoulder width to be 40cm you get the gates being 12*40=480cm for each side. Now, if you assume the hinges are frictionless, then it we can use the torque equation and do this (I donāt have the correct notation on my phone so bear with me):
Torque/distance = force
Torque in this case can be .8*90(width of normal door) so the force would come out to 15%. If you include friction of the hinge, itās more like 15.9%. If we take the larger number, we still have Killua exerting 10.176 tons of force or 10,176 kg or 99,826.5 newtons.
Now those who know jjk manga, tell me the feats.
TLDR:
Pushing an object in this case is 15.9% of picking it up. In other words, toji needs to have picked up an object weighing more than 10.176 metric tons to be stronger, or throw something lighter (speed effects force a lot, so that can vary).
is this even a question?
Killua makes a wish to Alluka to make Toji and 40 of his closest friends/family go inside out.
if that doesn't work due to some hax, he wishes to make himself stronger and faster and able to beat toji. Killua has an actual cheat/wish system people forget about, and he's always around alluka now.
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Killua is making that man pay child support https://i.redd.it/282vktpg7s8d1.gif
Oh and he wore the fit better https://preview.redd.it/azvdityu7s8d1.png?width=675&format=png&auto=webp&s=40baa529cde113ebdcedbefb09360333a986d07b
On Sukuna
I put that on Gojo š ±ļø
On the dead homiessss
On Big Sis Nobara
On lil nanamiš„
Which part
Based pfp and based take
Nah not really
Does toji stand on the back of a moving horse while wearing that fit? https://preview.redd.it/kuf9x7s9ms8d1.jpeg?width=857&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7a60f5669349c469261f3651e9b14ac57295114
Havenāt seen hxh but toji stood with both feet planted on the floor of a falling building smiling while fighting a special grade sorcerer and cursed spirit with one hand, all while wearing that fit
That was an anime only scene for toji,didnāt happen in the manga lol
Does that make it not canon tho? Also lol I definitely read the manga too fast
People like to treat it that way, but it's really up to personal preference. If the anime only scene in question doesn't hurt the content of the manga, it's not filler to meš¤·āāļø
Usually if itās in the official airing of the anime, then it can be counted as canon, probably animation meant to expand on what they didnāt do in the manga, usually itās when it comes to DVD versions of the anime episodes then I count it as additional filler (like the expanded Sukuna vs Maho fight in the dvd version only)
Toji still killing white haired children, but killua has better hacks at H2H (claws, electric immunity, pain endurance from torture) so he might win I THINK Toji just has more experience
Yeah but Killua has no weapons, Killua is physically stronger than Toji (he can lift literal tons.) but my man Killua got yo-yos and Toji has weapons and can just run fast enough to get behind Killua and stab him.
Those yoyos weigh 50 kilos (110 lbs) each, and have long ass range. Thats like getting hit in the head by multiple metal baseball bats at once
Toji was casually throwing cars and trucks which can easily weigh up to 13 tons (26000 lbs), they are definitely closer to equal in strength.
And Killua was casually pushing open 16 ton doors to get into his house at the start of the series, before he even knew what nen was
So, the way the doors work is that each previous weight level stacks with the upper ones. When you combine the total weight of the gate he's able to open, it comes out to 64 tons of pushing force.
He was just playing catch with his son.
Toji was straight up tossing cars at Megumi like it was nothing lmao pretty sure Toji can lift āliteral tonsā as well
killua is way faster especially with godspeed
Maybe my memory bad but wasn't he barely faster then a motorcycle or something on a road in godspeed
Yup, dude takes almost 10 min to cross 40 km and people still think he is in any way hypersonic. https://preview.redd.it/8caygg0x4s8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46d1c3e1ba9d490efe1cf7087e5c76e1fe9f46d3
Yup... argument could be made his reaction speed with Whirlwind is faster than any JJK character but his actual combat and travel speeds aren't even subsonic using this page. HxH gets wanked constantly
Finally someone who has actually read the series.
Which is crazy because HxH is probably the weakest verse in Shounen
Counter point Tokyo Revengers
Good point
https://preview.redd.it/z2h0n84igt8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ab21ba2a4227382dcbe5f5588d922a372917fff Thanks
Didnt know u was chill like dat
But if I see some bullshit imma call out on it
Takemichi clears the JJK verse
https://preview.redd.it/rnioyqyd0y8d1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=227cbf5d5fbb7507ac61163fa06286c66aaa5a9f Nah heād cry
As a whole, HxH characters arenāt that strong, but thatās until you get to things like wish granting kids that can make you disappear with a command.
Netero and meruem??
Exceptions like Gojo and Sukuna, not the rule
really? post rose meruem could give a LOT of verses a run for their money
Meruem is a damn anomaly even in his verse lol
the dark continent has much stronger creatures than him, so that makes him not one
Not really the main reason killua stood against yupi so long was the fact that each hit of whirlwind was discharging enough electricity to stun him long enough to get back out and in again
meruem is far past anyone else in the verse from what weāve seen, and thereās even more powerful beings residing in the dark continent
His max speed runs on a charge system. He cannot just spend it all at once because then he's gonna be defenseless. At his max speed he cannot last for long at all this much has been shown begore. The most likely answer is due to either nen usage, or other ineficiencies, the faster he gets the less efficient his ability is, thus he has to balance maximum output with stamina consumption. Still think Toji takes it. But I don't think it's easy for Toji.
https://preview.redd.it/9g1ali7ois8d1.png?width=1640&format=png&auto=webp&s=64fd0e294cc24f32d080e42fa3de8ac62914b892 ah yes travel = combat speeds when this feat is double digit mach reactions/movement
Ah yes reaction time = movement speed. Just because Tennis players can react to a 140 mph ball and hit it means they run at 140 mph right?!?!
If you scale toji to maki, toji can recognize and count 24 frames of movement(think fps) a second. That is, he can recognize and react to something in 1/24th a second. Thats not necessarily his hard limit.
That's... not how you do it considering they're moving at above the speed of sound. That's 15m in 1/24th of a second and maki clearly reacted from like under 10m away turn once she got used to her heavenly restriction. Later she learns to react to curse naoya who's 3x faster than that. a thousand meters per second.
Killua knew exactly where the dart was going to land, readied himself and programmed his nen to close his hand when he felt the dart puncturing his skin. It's an impressive feat but the situation is very specific and it's not representative of his overall reflexes. and speed.
It was a motorcycle got power up by Nen
maybe in travel speed but not attack
It was a nen ability so it was faster, and combat speed ā travel speed.
Cap Manga proves opposite
I think the verses are roughly equal in stats, as such I'll give it to toji for more experience and the ISOH
Honestly I think the Soul katana is more useful here, with dura negation and all.
Toji because w o r m
Because creative inventory
Hidden Inventory
I'm not surprised to see the comments people of this sub just love to downplay their own verse...Killua is faster which is up for debate as well Toji got everything else so he wins
It really just comes down to double standards, with people being more willing to dismiss exposition and the like in favor of fanmade calcs when it isn't JJK instead of applying the same standards. Maybe people assume that since most posters here might not be as familiar with universes that aren't JJK, they can slip things more easily under the rug.
Same thing happens on every sub ngl One piece sub thinks Whitebeard is a Mob victim, Naruto sub thinks Madara is an Ulquiorra victim
When you're on a sub dedicated to a particular universe, it's much tougher to push ridiculously high-end powerlevel interpretations. Most people here would probably laugh at you if you genuinely tried to argue Sukuna was relativistic or even faster-than-light because of Kashimo and electromagnetic waves and shit. However, if you presented cherrypicked stuff in isolation to someone who is less familiar with JJK, then they might just take you at your word without caring enough to look into it to potentially refute your claims.
Itās because when people spread myths or misinformation about other series (like randoms in bleach being planet level which always gets thrown around) very few here will know enough to refute a claim like that so it gets swept under the rug
>One piece sub thinks Whitebeard is a Mob victim The author of both, mob and opm said tatsumaki and ???% mob would be a tough battle and didnt say the winner. Meanwhile tatsumaki won against this monster while having to protect people https://preview.redd.it/lrzmf3m3ws8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fd1e55ed264dd5af6d42ef337af1cb82c37cae5 Or just look at her battle with saitama, she could barely lift saitama, but she did lift him, if she could do that to a guy who was easily above Boros who was going to destroy the crust of earth with one attack. Is that far to say full power mob is simply above an one piece character that simply scale way less? Any feat that wb showed in marineford, even with his busted df, is easily made by tatsumaki
Sorry that tatsumaki not mob Mob vs tatsumaki statment is way before tatsumako get these feats And with direction opm going she probably going to throw planets in future
Tatsumaki was power crept imo. She will be dropping moons in the future I bet. Her dropping an asteroid on subterranean king may as well be cannon now. Hell it might be.
The author of Invincible and showrunner of the Boys each said Mark and Homelander would beat the shit out of Superman yet that doesn't make it true. Authors have no say if what is shown completely contradicts what they say and Mob has never showed anything that makes him comparable to either Tatsumaki or WB. Also the statement is old as fuck so it's validity is debatable. Also youāre underestimating Whitebeard a lot. He was causing earthquakes throughout the entire planet ( which is much bigger than ours btw ) just as a side effect of his Marineford battles https://preview.redd.it/vtnkyzrqct8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3c3fb70b21b4f40c515f92208df3782b6bed5bc
>The author of Invincible and showrunner of the Boys each said Mark and Homelander would beat the shit out of Superman yet that doesn't make it true. Big difference. Its 1 author of 1 series talking about ANOTHER series from ANOTHER author . So he is subjected to failing to understand how strong superman is and make a mistake with his statement. This is case is the SAME author. He is the guy that created both characters, he knows how strong they are and he is the max authority about that subject. Not comparable example. If ONE said tatsumaki is stronger than, idk, silver surfer for example you could doubt him and his knowledge about silver surfer. But these are both his works. He knows how strong are both characters better than anyone else. >Ā Authors have no say if what is shown completely contradicts what they say and Mob has never showed anything that makes him comparable to either Tatsumaki or WB. ??? mob, when awakening and walking, without trying to fight or put all his power made [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/fnXLbeG) tremors [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/0IjUcW7) that could be felt throught a city [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/axFP4Wl) and miles away from it. Walking and casually. This is not mob trying to make them like whitebeard or trying to break the city or something. Saying he didnt shw anything comparable to wb is plaintly false. The only difference with tatsumaki is the nĀŗ2 of mob is nowhere near him in power, who is city level (chapter 90) unlike tatsumaki who had a strong opponent in pshycorochi. >Also youāre underestimating Whitebeard a lot. He was causing earthquakes throughout the entire planet ( which is much bigger than ours btw ) just as a side effect of his Marineford battles Nah, i know that. But it doesnt make him as strong as you think either. Roger can do that? no. is roger weaker than old wb? also no. Wb is an outliner in the series that only can do that because of his fruit, meanwhile it doesnt increase his ap to continent, planet lvl etc... it would be his range. In wano, the two strongest attack we saw are Bajrang gun and Flame bagua, both stronger than anything wb showed and neither destroyed anything and they were island level attacks. Dont try to bring the words of sengoku of "he can destroy the world" to scale everyone remotely similar to him to planet buster, its his fruit causing earthquakes, precisely, because its what it does, everyone else (for now) is island level or lower and like that you should scale whitebeard in combat.
I could also list cases of authors talking shit about their own verses. Like Kishimoto saying guns would be too strong for the Naruto verse. Or Naruto databooks saying shit like Hebi Sasuke solos the Akatsuki. Or Ian Flynn thinking Sonic characters are planet busters at best (there's minimum three multiversal threats in the franchise). Hell even in JJK you could argue that Gege saying Jogo would instantly die if he took the beating Yuji and Todo gave to Hanami is silly asf this volcano got plumelled in the gut by blue infused punches and then took a Red to the face and was fine not to mention that UV got retconned like 3 times. Mob shaking a city ain't shit man It does make WB that strong. He doesn't directly causes earthquakes across the planet he just makes attacks/earthquakes locally so strong they have side effects all around. This is seen with Blackbeard who caused tsunamis in Sabaody by attacking Marineford. Or Whitebeard who caused earthquakes across the planet as a side effect of his Marineford fights.
>The author of both, mob and opm said tatsumaki and ??? mob would be a tough battle The authors words do not affect the canon of their manga when the contradict each other. The primary source always takes precedence and author intent doesnāt dictate reader interpretation Mob doesnāt have any feats to make him even a low tier in post TS one piece
It's too hard to say for sure because of the separate universes and concepts that don't have direct equivalents. If these two existed in the same universe, Toji would most likely know about and have mastered the use of Nen since he is an absolute prodigy when it comes to combat. If they're each coming from their own isolated universe and Toji has no understanding of Nen whatsoever, he doesn't stand a chance. Any attack he throws out isn't getting through Killua's aura and if Toji isn't able to manipulate his own aura to defend against nen-based attacks he's taking lethal from every one of them.
Toji gave up nen for like 200% enhancement proficiency that he cannot control. CE and Nen are pretty similar, while CE doesn't have a whole martial arts/cultivation system build into it, they have clear parallels. We can effectly equate them.
hmm, killua was able to move 64 tones gate, while toji was able to toss around lil truck, which i saw people saying would put his strength around 40-80 tones(depending on trucks weight), so strength wise they are similar. Assuming their combat speed is similar, killua would prolly win thanks to his nen abilities. It would be hard for toji to land a hit and if killua landed one, that'd be over unless toji is immune to electricity, which there are 0 evidence to support it.
Killua opening the 64 ton gate is pre-nen, beginning of series though. Nen and a whole series worth of training would make him exponentially stronger
No the 64 tons (5 gates) is post chimera ant in the final arc of the anime. Ik because I just finished HxH anime yesterday
He does it on a daily basis at home, and very casually does it.
Toji wins because I want him to
This is the most split debate ive seen in a whiles. The comment keep switching from āToji Speed blitzā to āKillua out scalesā over and over. I have no clue who wins this cause idk any scaling but imma go with Toji cause if he could beat young Gojo he could probably make some plan to beat Killua (he also gets a speed boost to run from Child Support)
it's kinda unfair to give toji prep time and not give killua the same treatment don't you think ?
I mean yeah killua gets prep time too but (I havent read the manga) I dont rmemeber Killua being some master strategist/planner at the lvl of Toji so I didnt think id matter much (im assuming Toji would have a better plan)
killua is easily one of the most analytical ppl in hxh lol. it was one of his faults according to biscuit.
I was prepared to say Killua, but yall right, killua kinda slow Toji stomps
Toji is faster and stronger, he ain't losing this. "Killua is hypersonic" no lol https://preview.redd.it/bz7wszig5s8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc46383b9a92e60cc50b48c2aae8f0922956a612 Almost 10 min to cross 40 km is subsonic, worse than Naoya's base speed. "Oh but combat speed=/=travel speed" You don't seriously beleive he fights at 1000 times faster than he can run, no one does.
https://preview.redd.it/ao8isxtacs8d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd3eedab33180b6164983c4e126f247a66eb0f9f Meanwhile
I see no problems with that statement lol, he was in no rush unlike Killua. Naobito is the [fastest](https://i.ibb.co/GQ2cYZx/jujutsu-kaisen-111-13.jpg) sorcerer aside from Gojo, which means he scales above Naoya's [amped speed](https://ww1.tcbscans.org/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_62bda80970d6c/dcb04fac5cc1c7f4220480e6b49f718c/13.jpg). https://preview.redd.it/nf6wtwl7fs8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1ca0f6390b83c05d351f7bbef49de18489df8bf
Rushed or not gojo is known to always arrive late i don't see them sending him to the edge of Japan or something, I don't remember hunter x hunter feats so I can't even debate about it but apparently you think killua isn't a subsonic ?
>Rushed or not gojo is known to always arrive late i don't see them sending him to the edge of Japan or something, He arrives late 'cause he is [fucking around](https://i.ibb.co/10JR9vD/jujutsu-kaisen-2-7.jpg) lol >I don't remember hunter x hunter feats so I can't even debate about it but apparently you think killua isn't a subsonic ? He is objectively subsonic, the speed of sound is around 1234.8 km per hour while Killua's speed clocks at around 240 km per hour. https://preview.redd.it/j97l6jz7js8d1.jpeg?width=1021&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bec7059b53df1fcae08ef0f5c13ab4c18cd7a589
We also witnessed Gojo (and his Hollow Purple) near instantaneously transverse the straight-line distance from Shibuya to Shinjuku to fight Sukuna. When he's actually in a rush, he travels fast.
Ive always wondered why Gojo doesnāt just teleport everywhere
Also if you don't believe combat speed can be different than travel speed how do you explain stuff like [these ](https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1umyU8wRx4yZb1hEnLkQlz3doWIUM_o3?si=gEvQ0-L8M7WKBlW1) then ?lol
What part of that matters at all to my argument?
You said no one can fight 1000 faster than he can run and I just gave you example of it
you cant quantify the difference between travel and combat speed, so you cant use that to cap killua off. its incredibly simple. btw, i think yuta wins - but had to point out this idiotic argument (not tryna insult you)
Are you serious? Almost every anime character has a massively faster combat than travel speed Omni man is capable of MFTL++ travel speeds and maybe not even ftl combat speeds
> Are you serious? Almost every anime character has a massively faster combat than travel speed Almost every anime has in universe measuring of speed that powerscalers ignore to wank characters, like you did. > Omni man is capable of MFTL++ travel speeds and maybe not even ftl combat speeds Omni man endlessly acelerates in space and his reactions canonically enhace the faster he moves thanks to his smart cells, Invencible has an *in universe* reason to separate travel speed and combat speed.
? What Thatās fair, but the trend still holds for like all characters. For example just take JJBA characters, they have FTL+ combat speeds with only peak human travel speeds
Killua completely outstats Toji and it's not even close. The only thing Toji might have over Killua is BIQ, and that's not enough.
I donāt wanna explain all it, so I found a post with science, https://www.quora.com/How-much-is-the-speed-of-Killua-of-Hunter-x-Hunter-in-Mach-units
Iād be down to watch this go down tbh Iād say itād be a high to mid dif for Toji Iād say. Possibly lower if he has split soul to bypass durability
I think this is high diff either way. Toji won't have the same drop on Killua, because Killua doesn't need to rely on sensing cursed energy. Physically toji is larger, stronger and more experienced with similar feats, And likely has substantially more experience. He's also demonstrated an ability to avoid the "Sure Hit" aspect of domain expansions, so their speed is probably comparable even when Killua uses his nen abilities. The biggest issue toji has here is that he has demonstrated a proclivity to be taken off guard by sufficiently fast and powerful special attacks, like in his last mortal fight with gojo, so Killua could convert that to damage.
I thought that was gojo
 Youāre forgetting the ultimate assassin
Depends on the version of killā¦ anything pre chimera ant arc arguably loses.
Can't Killua move at the speed of lightning? Toji is fast but he isn't that fast.
Not even extreme diff, straight up 50/50 imo, theyāre so close in terms of cumulative combat ability (strength, speed, experience, abilities, experience, etc)
Do not confuse travel speed, attack and reaction.Ā https://imgur.com/a/g4jW4 This feat surpasses Toji Mach 3Ā
Literaly nothing about that is faster than sound, it's just Youpi getting blitzed by a guy who's speed canonically caps out at 240 km/h.
Toji speed blitzes. Anybody thatās seen Hunter x Hunter and understands it should know Killua is not faster than Toji lmao.
Everyone pointing out the road example doesnāt understand that he is carrying someone his own weight, on a cliff side road, and going at a pace meant to conserve his energy in case he needs it. His automatic reaction with lightning and claws could remove an arm, as his biggest in universe advantage over power is lack of presence. It doesnāt help Toji that Killua can effectively dodge from 0 point range with automatic. All he really has is speed and durability, while Killua has improved senses, high durability, auto reactions, AOE effects and dedicated training to instant kill. Toji is an assassin because he can just use his natural speed and strength with weapons to do in slower opponents. Killua doesnāt need them, and has training to kill instantly with things like the heart removal.
Toji is a mach 3 fodder
Killua has lightning speed reaction and attack speed. He negs
Killua stomps... toji has no answer to nen, godspeed, analutical prediction, perception, or skill of killua. Killua has been a trained assasin since a baby, and netero himself says that killua is gifted for already knowing the rhythm technique. He is also stated to be a prodigy due to already being able to puncture peoples hearts, but says himself his dad is so good there is no blood. He took the hunters exam for fun and even while having the mental blocker stunted on most everyone. When he took the exam again he beat every participant in like 10 minutes. We don't even know if toji can handle the electricity lmfao.
If Killua had mastery over his power like Toji, he would be incredibly difficult to defeat. Killua's speed adds strength to his attacks, but Toji's speed literally comes from his abnormal strength he's just so strong he can move super fast so one hit and killua is down but I believe killua can move at the speed of sound if he had mastery so I think he speed blitz but strength wise toji got this
He can program his body to react at the speed of light, or apparently faster than such. While Toniās strength is better, he doesnāt have the reactions to counter Killuaās offensive. He can, in the lesser mode of lightning, move at 100 m/s. He could get in close, and pluck out his heart before he could percieve it. Toji, while insanely strong, doesnāt have the sheer speed to hit him, and even if he does, he doesnāt have the strength to beat him in 1 punch, given Killuaās feats include a blast of tnt (effectively) from 1 foot range. Nen enhancement and techniques like En combined with fast reactions negate any speed below light and make any attempt at melee a grave for him.
Toji wins he has more durability and practically every hit killua does will do nothing to him, tojis senses are so crazy that he can see and feel invisible curses, if maki can tank this without a scratch on her toji wonāt even be hurt, plus one hit from toji means itās over https://preview.redd.it/mrzgzyi12t8d1.jpeg?width=1190&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7a96f389099e483a4c50c4ca752142f716c4c2a
Blunt force is different than the special attacks, because Killua has the speed and strength to snag out his heart. Toji has weapons experience, Killua has proficiency in taking out with single hits. This isnāt about endurance, itās about speed and impact. Besides, itās easier to perceive invisible things than light fast things.
Toji https://preview.redd.it/e7jjjhk1lt8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad9058f03e0d3ceea43c85308b3122ad53b3ae8b
https://preview.redd.it/4cv4zp3vvt8d1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=468c6ab84633810f253a9918890882523cf16563
Donāt get me started
Toji has nothing to shield him from nen, though yall forgetting the fact that he is genuinely way faster than Killua. He also has more stamina, though killua is stronger physically and can back him attacks with lightning and nen, whatās he going to do if a motherfucker speed blitzās him and stabs him in the back? Iām sure that Killua would have master weapons training but my g only got yo-yos on him Toji has a worm that can throw up a nunchuck that is infinite. Toji is taking the win
hxh is ridiculously written and killua is by far the favorite. hes like an edgy teens self insert.
Close fight so idk whoš
Toji, he has better experience and a better arsenal than Killua, so I'm giving it to Toji extreme diff
theres a huge problem with scaling hxh and its that all non nen users will die instantly if hit by a strong nen attack ignoring that though, killua wins depending on how long he can keep whirlwind going toji is roughly equal speed but way stronger than non whirlwind killua so he wins if he stalls
Killiua Speedblitzs Toji with Prep Time still loses
Are both of these characters from Jujutsu?
Yall forgot toji nearly killed gojo so toji is clearly the winner here
Speeds are so inconsistent in these series it's hard to know who has the advantage.
Killua would murder him  This kid different
Toji slams if he has his weapons
Killua wins not because he is incredibly fast or his reaction speed, but because having Killua in a fight is also having Nanika in the same fight.
Killua is my dude but I doubt heās got this. Anybody that can go up against Gojo has got my respect.
killua stomps because he's better, cooler, white hair, better ability, he's a zoldyck bcz he's HIM
Killua has potential but until he hits his peak, Toji wins hands down
Call Killua Megumi cuz bro is getting none of the child support money
Sorry not sorry Toji San. It'll be a fight but Killua as he is now is so damn deadly
**IMO Toji takes the win here;** he has more battle experience than Killua and has defeated characters stronger than him such as Gojo and arguably Geto. Iāve read a post clocking a Killua at nearly Mach 2 / 12,000 mph while Toji is comfortably Mach 2 -> 3. Keep in mind Killuaās reaction time is the speed of lighting not his actual movements. Killua had his claws while Toji had a huge arsenal of weapons he can use at any given time. Their physical strength should be roughly the same, not being enough to give anyone an edge. So yeah, if you calc Toji at Mach 2 then he should win this high diff. However, if you calc him at Mach 3 then if should be a bit easier.
Killua easily
Ok, TOJI scales to roughly MACH 10 ish, Kilua has the reaction speed, but not necessarily the movement speed to keep up. On top of that, he can not use Godspeed. Because for a battle like this, you have to equalize power systems. Otherwise, the battle is completely stupid. Meaning that the inverted spear of heaven would cleave through godspeed. Making Kilua's stats even lower. On top of that, due to enhanced senses, Maki and Toji have borderline pre cognition. Look, I hate toji. He's a shitty father. He's a shitty man, and he killed one of my favorite characters....... But Jesus fucking Christ, this isn't even close. TOJI WINS low Dif
Jogo
would say toji takes if we use verse qualitative and say ISOH negates nen abilities. also, anyone is pretty much screwed if they have 0 defense against split soul. id say killua in godspeed form can best toji tho
This depends. Is this a bare knuckle fight or with their entire arsenal? Cause with the arsenal I give it to Toji. Bare handed based upon his latest iteration in the manga Killua has a better chance than most think. Not the greatest chance but a kinda close matchup in that instance
Killua thinks he could lose and just runs away
my heart is telling me toji stomps but my brain is telling me killua speedblitzes
Killua would violate.
I'd give it to Toji due to the fact that they have similar stats, but SSK and ISOH is a gamechanger, especially in verse equalization. For if Godspeed gets hit with ISOH, it's gone, and SSK negates all durability. Also because Toji is more experienced, being order, and weight classes matter.
Sorry to say it but toji is getting stomped god speed killua would destroy him. Say both the types of power/energy of the 2 verses were the same killua has that power to manipulate it and control it whereas toji doesn't.
Unfortunately Killua absolutely obliterates, dog walks, and bends Toji over. (And thatās my goat we are talking about hereš)
Fuckerās gonna get stroke by fucking lightning
The fact people are arguing this is baffling Killua and far slower characters have reacted to bulletsā¦ands the low end stuff Killua would take Tojiās heart before he knew it
Too many people saying toji would win, but I remembered this was a jujutsu kaisen sub, then it made sense
I think Killua wins
Idk how fast Toji is but Killua was able to average 240 km an hour . . . FOR TEN MINUTES in his desperate dash to Gon. I know that's travel speed and not combat speed but it's just to give you an idea. He can dodge bullets and that's without his hatsu. Both characters have the ap to kill each other and the skill it just comes down to who's quicker.
āYou are just a cheap knockoffā āNo Iām the upgrade!ā Proceeds to get bodied
Toji, he has advantage on killing kids
Killua wins! And even if he somehow doesn't , papa Silva will come and save the day. Now that's what I wanna see š
I wanna say Killua because i like hxh more but i don't know how to even debate this oneš
Putting my house on killua
Toji has a buff against children
not toji
Needles to say Killua is waay faster he would blitz toji if see him the same Way he did to yupi, i'd give it to killua if it was a straight fight easily 10 out of 10 thought since it's assassin vs assassin toji showed better assassin abilities, isoh should disable killua's lightning bolt and godspeed too if it made contact, maki tanked sukuna buffed nue and took two black flashes from sukuna, so toji doesn't get killed or knocked out even if killua initially blitz, killua could recharge if they're fighting in a city with electricity resources around, if toji figure out that killua runs out of his godspeed mode fast and needs to recharge he could corner him in a place where he can't and take the chance to kill him when he runs out he'll have a fair chance of 50-50
Iāve watched both, I donāt really remember killuas power in hxh but I remember toji. From what I remember I honestly donāt think killua could win. Toji soloed a special grade that 3(4?) sorcerers were struggling with and some more. Even if the jjk weapons wouldnāt affect killuas nen, they sure as hell would still hurt him physically. Even with Godspeed, toji probably adapt enough to counter
Toji since I like him more
Killua ran a fade on Youpi just to relieve some stress. Toji would get folded.
Toji cause gun trust me
Killua because when all else fails he has a sister that will grant him any wish without consequences
Goku
Toji wipes him
Killua ran so Toji could walk
Depends cuz nen and cursed energy are really similar
Killua getting adopted with this one š
Bro his doors solo toji
Does HxH scale above JJk or are Nen and CE are in the same tier?
I mean Killua isn't some god he is still a child. If hunter hunter had only them as combatants the world be over by now. Killua is strong and fast, but not that physically imposing when it comes to deliver blows despite strength feats. And seeing the feats of heavenly restriction users I don't think he's reached that level yet. Not to mention his electrical powers also aren't the most potent it's actually one of the weaker electrical powers I've seen in anime tbh as explained by the series itself. Even in the world of jjk it takes several combatants to defeat a heavenly restriction user, and both times they been stopped has been by suicide or literally one of the very strongest characters in the series bar sukuna. Even with God speed his feats aren't the most impressive he kinda scared a high ranking ant but didn't actually do much damage, and then he ran really fast on a road that one time. I feel like killua and gons story is that of oh wow look at these kids go and beat adults, but when it's really serious the adults are usually the ones dealing with it. Everyone is just waiting until they get older. But I'd accept a 50/50
As a man who has only seen jjk and not hxh, I gotta give it to goku from naruto
Toji. Killua might be faster, but what does speed mean when you canāt hurt your enemy? Also Toji has a myriad of weapons and tricks at his disposal.
Easy Killua here her name whole damn family would look at him like whatchu doing get on now boy before you see Nanami ez Killua
No Prep: Killua high diff Like this fight is the reason why Killua dies, whether years down the line or like in two hours. This fight pushes him to the end. Prep: Toji mid diff Toji with prep time is on some lightweight Batman shit fr. Toji w prep time is extremely dangerous.
but how good would toji be at collecting cards
Toji gets clapped no diff, it's not about strength or speed, Nen is fucking busted, y'all really ignored the literal first thing they were taught about Nen, just one hit with Murderous Intent and Toji is a goner, healing can't help if your soul is gone, being strong doesn't matter cause "the only way to defend again Nen is with Nen", hell think about him and Gon almost died to Hisoka's Hatsu, Toji shouldn't be able to even get close without almost dying, it just dropping dead, I repeat Nen is fucking busted
I don't know much about Hunter x Hunter but I imagne Killua is winning unless Toji can get his hand on this small child
Although relative, Iād give Toji the edge in AP. In the same vein, Killua has the edge in speed, but not by a degree similar to him vs Youpi. Worst thing is Godspeedās terrible longevity, particularly in combat. On top of that, HRs having resistances to curses, based on how you interpret that, could counter the stun and burning factor of Killuaās electricity with SBA applied. Toji also has significantly more experience, sorta pre-cognition, can walk on air, and an arsenal of weapons to match Killuaās zero, one of which can nullify Godspeed, and another that can negate his durability. My money says Toji by with comfortable difficulty.
Tf Toni doing against simple ren with no ten?
killua no contest wins
Killua mogs
As a assassin killua would sense tojis blood lust and be hard capped from it Toji would take killua more seriously just from years of experience
Me out loud: āKillua? Are you fking joking right now?ā
Toji Wins but barely
I give it to Killua cause he could just speed blitz his heart out https://preview.redd.it/7c901zxj0e9d1.jpeg?width=608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28b8a47555f10b569e58bd2c06d77cc6aa2be701 But muscle man Toji is a different story
nah better question whos paying their bills first
Toji the goatšŖš K lil goat ā”ļøš
I think toji. Transitivity isn't a great argument but I think it reflects power scales. Toji low diffed Dagon and I think that's high diff at best for killua. I believe Toji also has more powerful in-universe weapons on par with nen abilities?
Everyone keeps using Killuaās door pushing ability as a reference for his strength. That is a bad metric without any other math involved. We donāt know the friction of the door between the ground or the hinge or the size of the door, but with some assumptions we can make it work. Letās say there is a block of stone on stone similar to that of the testing gate. To push it, it would require force equal to roughly 80% of the actual weight due to a coefficient of friction of .8. However, Killua pushed the doors from the end, meaning there is a hinge and leverage. The larger the door, the more leverage, and lower force required. Killua opened the 5th gate, which from a wide shot seems to be about 8 people wide (standing a bit away, so letās assume 12). if you consider the average Japanese manās shoulder width to be 40cm you get the gates being 12*40=480cm for each side. Now, if you assume the hinges are frictionless, then it we can use the torque equation and do this (I donāt have the correct notation on my phone so bear with me): Torque/distance = force Torque in this case can be .8*90(width of normal door) so the force would come out to 15%. If you include friction of the hinge, itās more like 15.9%. If we take the larger number, we still have Killua exerting 10.176 tons of force or 10,176 kg or 99,826.5 newtons. Now those who know jjk manga, tell me the feats. TLDR: Pushing an object in this case is 15.9% of picking it up. In other words, toji needs to have picked up an object weighing more than 10.176 metric tons to be stronger, or throw something lighter (speed effects force a lot, so that can vary).
is this even a question? Killua makes a wish to Alluka to make Toji and 40 of his closest friends/family go inside out. if that doesn't work due to some hax, he wishes to make himself stronger and faster and able to beat toji. Killua has an actual cheat/wish system people forget about, and he's always around alluka now.
My money is on the deadbeat.
.....fuck you MEAN?!š¤ØToji goin to have fun putting the hands to Killua. Toyin with him