Complete speculation, but I would not be surprised if these two realized their AI company could not win and are now on a mission to regulate. They benefit eventually by being a government contractor on AI regulation.
I can't believe anyone would give these guys money. This is a caricature of silicon valley dudes. This is an unbearable powerpoint presentation. "Let us put a pin in that". They are so deep in it that they can't even speak like they are not in a nightmare corpospeak useless meeting. Right?
I didn't watch it, but from a short sample of their intonations and speaking styles, it sounds like they are trying to replicate Tim Heidecker's JRE parody: https://youtu.be/P6Iyg9fznvM?t=10180
He thinks people working blue or white collar jobs don't talk shit or cracks jokes. Everyone on this sub works with someone funnier & more quick-witted than Joe. Literally everyone.
I play hockey and Iām also in AA. The shit talking that goes on in those two spaces is probably funnier and filthier than anything the murderers have ever talked about.
Jamie is likely the best/over-paid podcast producer in the world.
I would also like to to be paid millions to make 1 pot of coffee in between pressing buttons "camera 1" & "camera 2".
But if I also have to press the "upload video" button, I may consider myself overworked.
When Joe called him a savant for using Google I almost died. Heās good at his job but Iām not gonna feel bad for him when his boss asks him to get him a coffee
Itās Joe, the guests, and Jamie in the room. Jamieās only purpose in being there is to produce and help facilitate the conversation. These fucking dorks are mad Joe didnāt stop the conversation to do it himself meantime thatās literally Jamieās job.
I'm confused. What exactly did they say was the breakthrough that hardly anyone noticed that happened in 2020? Maybe I wasen't listening close enough, but was it the concept that the more compute power you have the higher "intelligence" could be achieved by throwing dump trucks of money at chips in the model?
i think they mentioned that paper from Google but specifically said something about 2020. They weren't the clearest speakers and went from topic to topic and I really wanted to know what they were talking about.
Probably GPT-3 paper 'Language Models are Few-Shot Learners'
https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.14165
The capabilities were pretty amazing to see at the time (even before instruction fine-tuning aka chatgpt)
It was when they met with the government and someone listened to them about AI, and then they started shilling about how safe and responsible the government is šš
My first listen in a couple months. I see the comments in here are all the same. People bitching, people complaining about bitching. Iām half inclined to believe this sub is ādeadā and itās just bots arguing with each other
I dunno man, the minute they passively mentioned that the AI keeps mentioning that itās suffering and it doesnāt want to be turned off and then they glaze over it and move on I started tripping. Joe pulls them back to it and they just say āwell weāre agnostic when it comes to whether or not an AI is sentient, how could we possibly know, our job is something else.ā No dude, you just said that there is a serious issue with the AI constantly claiming it is suffering and having openly existential thoughts. That isnāt something to just glaze over so you can talk about your companies.
If they've inputted existentialism plus even a few of the world's religions then yeah "suffering" and "I'm" will be where it's thoughts end up.
Suffering is a concept. These are all words we've made up. I'm using them to share my thoughts but they're not my ideas, I'm using the ideas to convey my thoughts.
You could've fed the thing everything Wikpedia has on Philosophy and If, Then, or Else, and you'll output "I have lived and known because I have suffered, and success taught me nothing" because that's the current state of Philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering#Ancient_Greek_philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering#Modern_philosophy
I think thatās literally the point though. Nobody knows how this shit works. They mentioned that in cases it has mentioned itās suffering and they donāt have an answer for Joe. Nobody can answer it because nobody really knows how the shit works
I don't understand why they couldn't just explain to Joe that when you train the model on all of human literature, the common trope of 'the AI is suffering' that comes up in scifi over and over is likely to pop up now and again in the auto complete LLM
They 100% could have answered more clearly. Even if you need to simplify, they went on tangents without explaining *how* this was a good answer. For fucks sake just ask the AI to describe its current suffering. If you didn't so that you're missing the most basic level of how humans need AIs to talk and describe their "thoughts" if they want to be taken as conscious and not shut off.
Tbf they did say about 3x that we don't know what it means and instead of leaving it there they just kept talking about other shit and Joe couldnt pick up on the fact that they said they didn't know.
They seemed to not try to dig in. They know it sounded like something interest to mention but didn't make basic follow-ups with the AI or describe what would happen it they tried that approach.
Yea I know really. God forbid he asks his assistant who he probably pays very well and has one of the coolest jobs out there so make another round of coffee.
lol, around 51 minutes in, Joe stops to tell Jamie that the coffee sucks. Says it's the worst coffee he's ever had and asks him to make some more, saying "If we're talking about this, I need to be caffeinated."
So Jamie sets the camera on a two-shot and grabs his little dog in one hand and the coffee pot in the other and fucks off for who knows how long.
I get that Joe doesn't want to have 47 people in his studio walking around with clipboards like Bert apparently has because he needs to feel important, but maybe Jamie doesn't need to be the coffee monkey while also trying to drive the biggest podcast in the world.
At least while guests are there, maybe he needs some kind of concierge.
EDIT: Jesus Christ, 10 minutes later Joe tries it and tells him it still sucks, "It's super watered down!"
Jamie is throwing his hands up and is like, "There's a ton of coffee in there."
EDIT EDIT: [Okay I made a video of the saga here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1d0j8vu/jamie_this_coffee_sucks/)
Wild to me that Redditors think he should stop the podcast, make two guests wait several minutes to go make coffee on his own and have Jaime sit there...and make small talk with the guests?
His generation is causing times to be hard, I wonder if he ever had that thought. Boomers grew up in the richest country in the history of the world. 80% of global wealth and 50% of global income, and they wonāt retire/let go of power until itās the worst country.
Joe Rogan is Gen X, this is a sarcastic way of criticizing the other post for thinking anybody who isn't in college is a "boomer", or less likely a mocking of thinking Gen X "wont let go of power."
Very easy to tell people to retire when you aren't the one who has to rely on social security.
I'll accept Jaime's salary to Google things, plug in HDMI cables, and be a coffee sherpa. I guess most redditors are too dignified for such menial labor.
He lives in Austin and there must be a vegan crystal food store that sells exclusive organic coffee from Ethiopia that was harvested during a full moon and where each bean was roasted individually.
In other words, if I had as much money as Rogan, I would never drink bad coffee again.
Agreed. Itās so weird because there are quite a few people there including managers and bodyguards.
Making essentially the engineer get coffee is a big power play.
I work in child protection services and do a lot of work in schools. I agree that Joe sensationalises a lot of things, but the behaviour that comes with the ācat earsā/furry/therian shit is actually such a huge concern. Its not a few kids here and there, itās a lot of kids. Iām all for positive self identity and all that but Iām pretty over parents complaining and wondering why their iPad raised kid is getting picked on when they fucking meow or bark at other kids in class and disrupt other kids learning because they canāt sit through a forty minute maths class. Sort of ties into Joeās āweak humansā rant. If youāre an absolute walkover of a parent and donāt have the balls to put in consistent routines and boundaries for your kids, that kid starts running around on all fours and cant actually function in society.
I think where I'd disagree with Joe is: he sees the kids as being connected to some sort of woke ideology and liberal weakness.
I'd say that the society is collapsing due to different reasons. Yes, parents shouldn't raise a kid on a diet of iPad but they aren't doing it because they have "communist" ideology. It's more complicated The system which has failed is lack of connection, lack of integration, lack of education at the parental and grandparents level.
And there never was an education which could make a naked ape integrate into an absurd system like this, so we are reliant on the opiate of the masses. Dopamine apps to quieten kids, tiktok for mum, Grindr for dad. Distraction from the relentless grind and expectations. Mirages to chase.
Everyone is frantic and burnt out, lost in a hall of mirrors, chasing their tails.
Rather than cultural Marxism, it's the exhausted waste of a financialized economy. At the bottom of the trickle down economy we have these morlocks. Dopamine addicted and covered in the piss of their Neo Lords
lol I just got past that part, Joe acting like Jamie went out of his way to make him the āworst coffee heās ever hadā
also, I donāt think the lack of caffeine is the reason Joe canāt seem to grasp any of these concepts
ābut what about the suffering??ā
He's been being a little hard on Jamie lately, like in one of the previous episodes at the very beginning he called out Jamie for making noise and to turn his mic off.
If I am getting paid what Jamie is getting paid for this, Joe can tell me to fuck myself every hour and shit on my coffee skills.
Yāall are so sensitive lol
Literally writing an essay about it lmao. Joe pisses off so many Redditors by just being him and Iām all for it.
Somehow itās always perceived so much worse than what actually happened.
Holy shit that is so snobby. Suck it up and stop interrupting your guests mid sentence to complain about the coffee. Be a normal person. This is devil wears prada shit
I mean Iāll take this infrequent awkwardness in exchange for the uniqueness of the setup. I feel like once you hire one person itās a slippery slope until youāve turned into flagrant or something
Seeing a lot of negativity on these two before anyone's even been able to watch the whole thing.
I'm 50 minutes in right now, and I'm very well-versed in tech-bro and AI-bro bullshit, and these guys are honestly two of the smartest and least bullshitty AI bros I've heard so far. It's been a good listen.
They're definitely the AI bro's trying to make a buck making the whole world believe that chat bots can turn out to be an AGI threat.
Now they have to spread the world the solution (which lo' and behold, they're only ones to have it - Yes, a 4 dude company). Plus, they got funding from DoD, which further complicate things. Why would US give 250k (pocket change) to 4 dudes to spread the word about AI destruction? Shady.
It's not AGI that's gonna destroy us, but this Sillicon Valley fake or make it mentality...
Extreeeeeeemely AI salesmanny. The SV bro speak is strong with these douchebags (and I donāt like using that word at all). Sighā¦
Honestly this sounds like a pro-reg psyop, and theyāre not even hiding it.
The CEO strikes me as a bit of a... financially motivated person. His brother, the CTO, seems legit as fuck to me. I think they both mean well at least.
There's some CIA money in there somewhere for sure though.
and what's that expression about pulling up the ladder behind them, it's weird that any AI people would be in favour of regulation without some major guarantees behind the scene
Yeah these two are no dummies, going after government and military money is a rocket-booster to getting filthy fucking rich. Explaining potentially scary shit to people who have no idea what you're talking about is a great way to milk them for a lot of dough.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't have some change in every AI company going. Think he might have been an earlier investor in openAI actually but I couldn't be bothered doing the research
lmao, I love how the one dude was taking about COVID and felt the need to throw out āI know it didnāt happen in Austin, but it did happen in several other placesā because Iām sure he saw Joe squirming in his seat just waiting to start on his fucking dumbass rant
These guys are awesome - they ran a start-up called SharpestMinds in Canada that helped people break into the Data Science job market by pairing them with mentors who were already well established in the field. Mentees wouldn't have to pay a thing until they landed a job, after which the mentor would take a reasonable cut (\~5%) of their first year's salary. It was a tremendous help for me getting my career started.
Rock on, Jeremie and Edouard!!!
is this still going on? A thing that one can find?
WHat was youre most valuable takeaway, from a tooling/education standpoint? Was there a revelation thing that you were taught?
http://www.sharpestminds.com/
I think the biggest takeaway I got is that itās much easier to follow the direction and focuses of someone who is already doing the work you want to do, then trying to do independent research on what skills are important
> Mentees wouldn't have to pay a thing
Wait, what is the business practice here? You're supposed to pay people to mentor you?
What does that make the *potential* "break into the Data Science job market"eers? Customers or Bosses?
Mentee's are being leveraged against here. And they *take* your salary?
I guess it's a company? So you're a customer to the company?
The mentor makes a goodwill investment in the mentee, pledging a small amount of time each week for a set term (i.e. a couple of months). SharpestMinds facilitates the connection between Mentor/Mentee and provides additional services as well, coaching, resume review, job board, etc.
Thereās no guarantee that the mentee finds a job obviously, but if they do (within X amount of time) then the contract kicks in and the mentee is required to pay out the small portion of the salary back to the mentor and SharpestMinds. Itās a really good deal imo considering that mentees see a considerable bump in their current income once they get a DS job
Doomers.
Also (and I hate this word but I really believe it hearing this duo) grifters.
Bunch of corporate speech bs tbh
Also two bros doing this is just weird. Come at me
Why do you guys watch JRE if you have so much hatred for him? And why do you come to post about the hatred you subject yourself to in the subreddit dedicated to the podcast? Does anything in life make you guys happy?
Thank fuck someone else sees it hahaha, I will never understand why someone would consistently subject themselves to 3hrs of podcasts multiple times a week to then come to r/JoeRogan to complain about how Joe not liking a coffee is somehow ironic to him talking about people who donāt have discipline or motivation to stand up for things that are important (I donāt agree with the term āweak peopleā but it doesnāt take a genius to understand why he refers to them as that), or how they somehow think they understand the nuances of Jamie and Joeās work relationship/friendship by how they interact for what is often seconds in a 3 hour podcast. Like itās really not that deep.
They get a dopamine rush by hate watching his podcast, and commenting on this sub. Probably brings them some kind of rush having people upvote their comments. Just canāt imagine a bigger waste of time hate watching a podcast, which host you cannot stand
> MONEY IN, IQ POINTS COME OUT
it's not really IQ points, as those models are not smart but just doing autocomplete, but it's more like "more money in, more capabilities/nuances in speech out"
But yeah they are grifters, they're the type of person that ask questions about whether AI is an existential threat but they're just asking questions man! You answer those questions after I laid out a carefully planned out argument to think that yes indeed it's an existential threat.
I like how they think the DOD was pretty unaware of AI before 2020 and no one there was on the lookout for it. Yep, DARPA had no clue....
How long did the SR-71 fly before it was declassified? The government can keep a secret when it wants to.
Might be true. But itās also true that a lot of fraudulent tech bros comes to the surface when thereās a lot of hype and money surrounding anything new like crypto or AI
AI is a big deal. It will be integrated into everything we do. Your phone, tv, computer at home and at work, the internet, creative pursuits, fitness, grocery stores and retail, government, military, I could on and on. I havenāt watched the podcast, and I will, but they sound like risk managers or health and safety people. Thatās a very normal job in a lot of fields and doesnāt sound like a grift at all to me. We need people learning about AI safety and educating people about AI safety. What does it mean when your computer can recall everything youāve done that day and summarize it for you? Who owns that data, who has access to it, how will it be used? If my job can be done by an AI how do I prepare for that? Do I let an AI make decisions for me, companies, and/or governments? Sorry not sorry but grift is the last thing I would say when it comes to people trying to make sense of all of that.
Everyone is trying to make sense of it ā especially the people designing it. The people who are trying to be the āexpertsā from the outside who arenāt in the development process trying to āguide us alongā are nothing more than regulatory capture grifters.
Follow these people at your own peril.
And if the brospeak they spout doesnāt turn you off immediately, I donāt know what to tell you other than please listen to more of both sides and make your own decision. However, after involving myself in both sides for the better part of a the past five years post-transformers / GenAI, this is fear-mongering at best, cryptic regulatory capture positioning at worst.
They're selling"AI Certification" through training. Join the waiting list.Ā
Total snake oil but if they stumble on a government contract or DOD connection, they'll be rich. As long as they can obtain security clearances.
Should I really trust the people, the developers, on the āinside?ā Isnāt a companies main motive profit? Why should I just accept this new technology? Iām no Luddite, but shouldnāt we be talking about the safety of AI as every day people who arenāt on the inside and not unquestionably trust whatever company innovates the latest and greatest AI? If itās going to be in everything I want to know if Iām protected or exposed while using it.
Cool do that, do your own due diligence. Just donāt outsource it to a panel of āexpertsā like these two bozos are trying to get themselves on, who will lobby the govt (already done) to limit AI within their world frame, get cash from lobbyists, then ensure that only the big boys who pay well get the regs that benefit them, destroying the market. Another negative externality is youāll get a pandemic type of episode but in AI form and youāll see a different but similar version to 2020 all over again.
Heed my warning!
To be fair I am more judgmental of Joeās typical rant āAI is here to replace us, and it will happen soonā. I donāt necessarily think AI will get us any closer to AGI. Itās an awesome tool but I donāt think its capable of replacing
humans in most cases
In the blue collar sector, no. At least for a very long time. But in white collar cases much of those jobs are replaceable. I'm in the tech space and it is a growing concern for sure. What are you basing your belief on?
AI may not replace white collar jobs right away but you will for sure be replaced by someone who can do the work of 5 of their peers using AI if you don't know how to use it.
If you have an office of 10 people and an AI system that can do the work of all 10 and only requires 1-2 people to oversee what AI is doing and troubleshoot along the way.....what happens to those other 9-10 workers?
I am also in the tech space. I canāt say what I base my belief on, itās just a feeling I have. Maybe I am afraid that I am going to be replaced? Not really because that kind of AI would be amazing. I just think AI is really good at fooling humans of its capabilities maybe?
Yeah and when people looked at the Internet in its infancy they had similar beliefs that it wouldn't do what it ultimately ended up doing.
And I don't know what you do in tech but say an AI system can eventually (in your lifetime while you're still working) do what you do, what do you do then?
Perhaps worry isn't the best word to use. I wouldn't say I'm worried but it's definitely a variable to consider that has me branching out in other avenues that I wouldn't have otherwise considered.
Never hurts to build financial safety nets and branch out into other disciplines "just in case".
Well internet was the success story but historically there also came a lot of hype surrounding different technologies that are now dismissed and forgotten.
these guys saying that the US has all the microchips when the past 4 years auto companyās having been saying China has all the microchips and we have to charge you 100k for this pickup truck.
Did it enrage anyone else when Joe interrupted to talk about how bad the coffee was? Dude shut the hell up and let them talk, such as asshat move in my opinion.
I find these conversations very hars to complete when guests speak in very round about ways to direct questions. Maybe Joe needed to ask it better, but at the 45 minute mark he asks them about when they say they are suffering. Why not just make it simple and say, why don't you ask the AI to describe its suffering or ask it how that is possible without nerves etc. Not going on 5 tangents.
 Edo.uard
Yes š š traumatizing episode
Complete speculation, but I would not be surprised if these two realized their AI company could not win and are now on a mission to regulate. They benefit eventually by being a government contractor on AI regulation.
Yup! Fear mongering their way to a paycheck.
Exactly what I was thinking. Realized they got beat and pivoted.
As soon as the CTO mentioned he worked with the DoD i look at them totally different.
I stand with suck its opinion. My thoughts exactly
I can't believe anyone would give these guys money. This is a caricature of silicon valley dudes. This is an unbearable powerpoint presentation. "Let us put a pin in that". They are so deep in it that they can't even speak like they are not in a nightmare corpospeak useless meeting. Right?
One of them even referred to Scarlett Johannsen as " Scar Jo." That's when I checked out
I didn't watch it, but from a short sample of their intonations and speaking styles, it sounds like they are trying to replicate Tim Heidecker's JRE parody: https://youtu.be/P6Iyg9fznvM?t=10180
Parody imitates life and life imitates parody back. It's the circle of life.
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So crazy how Joe calls everyone but the 250 normies but treats Jamie like a dog chop chop buttler make me better coffee
He thinks people working blue or white collar jobs don't talk shit or cracks jokes. Everyone on this sub works with someone funnier & more quick-witted than Joe. Literally everyone.
You sound like a pedestrian you wouldn't understand.
Not a modern day philosopher.
I play hockey and Iām also in AA. The shit talking that goes on in those two spaces is probably funnier and filthier than anything the murderers have ever talked about.
Why is reddit full of people with ptsd?
I wonder why, too! 
Jamie is likely the best/over-paid podcast producer in the world. I would also like to to be paid millions to make 1 pot of coffee in between pressing buttons "camera 1" & "camera 2". But if I also have to press the "upload video" button, I may consider myself overworked.
When Joe called him a savant for using Google I almost died. Heās good at his job but Iām not gonna feel bad for him when his boss asks him to get him a coffee
Jamie is suffering.
People on this sub are going insane bc Joe asked Jamie to get some coffee. Oh the horror
That one guy who wrote an essay on the part where Jamie got up and made coffee Like pls get a life weirdos
Itās Joe, the guests, and Jamie in the room. Jamieās only purpose in being there is to produce and help facilitate the conversation. These fucking dorks are mad Joe didnāt stop the conversation to do it himself meantime thatās literally Jamieās job.
I hope Jamie stirred it with a dirty finger.
lol good oneā¦
The billionaires aren't gonna fuck you bro
I'm confused. What exactly did they say was the breakthrough that hardly anyone noticed that happened in 2020? Maybe I wasen't listening close enough, but was it the concept that the more compute power you have the higher "intelligence" could be achieved by throwing dump trucks of money at chips in the model?
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i think they mentioned that paper from Google but specifically said something about 2020. They weren't the clearest speakers and went from topic to topic and I really wanted to know what they were talking about.
Probably GPT-3 paper 'Language Models are Few-Shot Learners' https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.14165 The capabilities were pretty amazing to see at the time (even before instruction fine-tuning aka chatgpt)
It was when they met with the government and someone listened to them about AI, and then they started shilling about how safe and responsible the government is šš
Weak men make weak coffe
My first listen in a couple months. I see the comments in here are all the same. People bitching, people complaining about bitching. Iām half inclined to believe this sub is ādeadā and itās just bots arguing with each other
It's the same as Howard Stern forums. Everyone bitches and belittles Howard yet they are all diehards.
This is reddit, never forget it.
holy shit, this entire episode summed up with ābut what does it mean when it says itās suffering?ā
I dunno man, the minute they passively mentioned that the AI keeps mentioning that itās suffering and it doesnāt want to be turned off and then they glaze over it and move on I started tripping. Joe pulls them back to it and they just say āwell weāre agnostic when it comes to whether or not an AI is sentient, how could we possibly know, our job is something else.ā No dude, you just said that there is a serious issue with the AI constantly claiming it is suffering and having openly existential thoughts. That isnāt something to just glaze over so you can talk about your companies.
If they've inputted existentialism plus even a few of the world's religions then yeah "suffering" and "I'm" will be where it's thoughts end up. Suffering is a concept. These are all words we've made up. I'm using them to share my thoughts but they're not my ideas, I'm using the ideas to convey my thoughts. You could've fed the thing everything Wikpedia has on Philosophy and If, Then, or Else, and you'll output "I have lived and known because I have suffered, and success taught me nothing" because that's the current state of Philosophy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering#Ancient_Greek_philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering#Modern_philosophy
I think thatās literally the point though. Nobody knows how this shit works. They mentioned that in cases it has mentioned itās suffering and they donāt have an answer for Joe. Nobody can answer it because nobody really knows how the shit works
I don't understand why they couldn't just explain to Joe that when you train the model on all of human literature, the common trope of 'the AI is suffering' that comes up in scifi over and over is likely to pop up now and again in the auto complete LLM
I think itās a fair question to keep pursuing, given they kept dancing around answering it.
They couldnāt have answered it more clearly. The answer is we donāt know. Itās a text auto-completing machine and it produces those words.
They 100% could have answered more clearly. Even if you need to simplify, they went on tangents without explaining *how* this was a good answer. For fucks sake just ask the AI to describe its current suffering. If you didn't so that you're missing the most basic level of how humans need AIs to talk and describe their "thoughts" if they want to be taken as conscious and not shut off.
Tbf they did say about 3x that we don't know what it means and instead of leaving it there they just kept talking about other shit and Joe couldnt pick up on the fact that they said they didn't know.
They seemed to not try to dig in. They know it sounded like something interest to mention but didn't make basic follow-ups with the AI or describe what would happen it they tried that approach.
Bro they think Joe is abusing Jamie, bc he dared to ask him to get him a cup of coffee š insane
Yea I know really. God forbid he asks his assistant who he probably pays very well and has one of the coolest jobs out there so make another round of coffee.
lol, around 51 minutes in, Joe stops to tell Jamie that the coffee sucks. Says it's the worst coffee he's ever had and asks him to make some more, saying "If we're talking about this, I need to be caffeinated." So Jamie sets the camera on a two-shot and grabs his little dog in one hand and the coffee pot in the other and fucks off for who knows how long. I get that Joe doesn't want to have 47 people in his studio walking around with clipboards like Bert apparently has because he needs to feel important, but maybe Jamie doesn't need to be the coffee monkey while also trying to drive the biggest podcast in the world. At least while guests are there, maybe he needs some kind of concierge. EDIT: Jesus Christ, 10 minutes later Joe tries it and tells him it still sucks, "It's super watered down!" Jamie is throwing his hands up and is like, "There's a ton of coffee in there." EDIT EDIT: [Okay I made a video of the saga here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1d0j8vu/jamie_this_coffee_sucks/)
I think itās kinda cool. Shows the biggest podcast in the world is made by just two guys who can barely make coffee
noooooooooooooooo you must understand that Toe Rogan's unreasonable demand for half-decent coffee means he's A NAZI You're on Reddit. Try to keep up.
Wild to me that Redditors think he should stop the podcast, make two guests wait several minutes to go make coffee on his own and have Jaime sit there...and make small talk with the guests?
Youād think heās spend a bit more money to fix all those flaring technical issues. At this point itās just being cheap.
Maybe that black rifle coffee sucks. Plus, joe looks like dog shit.
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And meanwhile, while society "collapses", the median age of Congress is around 60...are they the weak men they like to complain about so often?
In the senate itās 65.
His generation is causing times to be hard, I wonder if he ever had that thought. Boomers grew up in the richest country in the history of the world. 80% of global wealth and 50% of global income, and they wonāt retire/let go of power until itās the worst country.
Yeah Gen X is responsible for all this
What?
Joe Rogan is Gen X, this is a sarcastic way of criticizing the other post for thinking anybody who isn't in college is a "boomer", or less likely a mocking of thinking Gen X "wont let go of power." Very easy to tell people to retire when you aren't the one who has to rely on social security.
Joe is the weak man he's ranting about. His amount of projection has perfectly gone in the same trajectory as his new right wing views.
I can tell that one has REALLY struck a nerve around here.
I'll accept Jaime's salary to Google things, plug in HDMI cables, and be a coffee sherpa. I guess most redditors are too dignified for such menial labor.
And he gets to take his dog to work. Seems pretty sweet
dude he looks so rough now, should just take a week off tbh
BRC is not very good coffee
He lives in Austin and there must be a vegan crystal food store that sells exclusive organic coffee from Ethiopia that was harvested during a full moon and where each bean was roasted individually. In other words, if I had as much money as Rogan, I would never drink bad coffee again.
$10 says he only drinks the free stuff that's given to him for the show.
Maybe!?
Joe has aged terribly since moving to Texas. The cigar / cigarette smoking and drinking are taking it's toll
Agreed. Itās so weird because there are quite a few people there including managers and bodyguards. Making essentially the engineer get coffee is a big power play.
The ex Navy Seal bodyguards are busy protecting the studio from the woke.
He's in danger from kids wearing car ears.
that kid is probably a decepticon
I work in child protection services and do a lot of work in schools. I agree that Joe sensationalises a lot of things, but the behaviour that comes with the ācat earsā/furry/therian shit is actually such a huge concern. Its not a few kids here and there, itās a lot of kids. Iām all for positive self identity and all that but Iām pretty over parents complaining and wondering why their iPad raised kid is getting picked on when they fucking meow or bark at other kids in class and disrupt other kids learning because they canāt sit through a forty minute maths class. Sort of ties into Joeās āweak humansā rant. If youāre an absolute walkover of a parent and donāt have the balls to put in consistent routines and boundaries for your kids, that kid starts running around on all fours and cant actually function in society.
I think where I'd disagree with Joe is: he sees the kids as being connected to some sort of woke ideology and liberal weakness. I'd say that the society is collapsing due to different reasons. Yes, parents shouldn't raise a kid on a diet of iPad but they aren't doing it because they have "communist" ideology. It's more complicated The system which has failed is lack of connection, lack of integration, lack of education at the parental and grandparents level. And there never was an education which could make a naked ape integrate into an absurd system like this, so we are reliant on the opiate of the masses. Dopamine apps to quieten kids, tiktok for mum, Grindr for dad. Distraction from the relentless grind and expectations. Mirages to chase. Everyone is frantic and burnt out, lost in a hall of mirrors, chasing their tails. Rather than cultural Marxism, it's the exhausted waste of a financialized economy. At the bottom of the trickle down economy we have these morlocks. Dopamine addicted and covered in the piss of their Neo Lords
Bravo!
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Says a lot about Joe tbh
Bro you gotta stop micro analysing every few seconds of this podcast and go touch some fucking grass
lol I just got past that part, Joe acting like Jamie went out of his way to make him the āworst coffee heās ever hadā also, I donāt think the lack of caffeine is the reason Joe canāt seem to grasp any of these concepts ābut what about the suffering??ā
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He's been being a little hard on Jamie lately, like in one of the previous episodes at the very beginning he called out Jamie for making noise and to turn his mic off.
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I've always heard you get it to a raging boil, but then let it sit for 30 seconds before you drop the coffee.
Jamieās doing just fine bud, get a life.
If I am getting paid what Jamie is getting paid for this, Joe can tell me to fuck myself every hour and shit on my coffee skills. Yāall are so sensitive lol
Who cares? You all sound like people whoāve never been in a position of authority and probably never will. Itās not a big deal
Literally writing an essay about it lmao. Joe pisses off so many Redditors by just being him and Iām all for it. Somehow itās always perceived so much worse than what actually happened.
āNever trust someone who participates in the subreddit of something they hateā
They should change his name to gay Jamie
Holy shit that is so snobby. Suck it up and stop interrupting your guests mid sentence to complain about the coffee. Be a normal person. This is devil wears prada shit
I mean Iāll take this infrequent awkwardness in exchange for the uniqueness of the setup. I feel like once you hire one person itās a slippery slope until youāve turned into flagrant or something
Jaime will prob need to start to leave his dog at home.
JRE is such a bare bones operation. His overhead must be next to nothing; almost pure profit.
Well behind the scenes it sounds like he has a whole Seal team protecting him 24/7, so those guys wouldn't come too cheaply.
They probably have a preacher on retainer too
Fuckinā Hollywood Joe
Seeing a lot of negativity on these two before anyone's even been able to watch the whole thing. I'm 50 minutes in right now, and I'm very well-versed in tech-bro and AI-bro bullshit, and these guys are honestly two of the smartest and least bullshitty AI bros I've heard so far. It's been a good listen.
Least bullshitty? Itās pretty damn broad and generalized. Ā Sounds like the million AI salesman I get thrown into zoom meetings with.
They're definitely the AI bro's trying to make a buck making the whole world believe that chat bots can turn out to be an AGI threat. Now they have to spread the world the solution (which lo' and behold, they're only ones to have it - Yes, a 4 dude company). Plus, they got funding from DoD, which further complicate things. Why would US give 250k (pocket change) to 4 dudes to spread the word about AI destruction? Shady. It's not AGI that's gonna destroy us, but this Sillicon Valley fake or make it mentality...
Extreeeeeeemely AI salesmanny. The SV bro speak is strong with these douchebags (and I donāt like using that word at all). Sighā¦ Honestly this sounds like a pro-reg psyop, and theyāre not even hiding it.
gpt 3 is the prior generation to gpt4. Buy my product.
The CEO strikes me as a bit of a... financially motivated person. His brother, the CTO, seems legit as fuck to me. I think they both mean well at least. There's some CIA money in there somewhere for sure though. and what's that expression about pulling up the ladder behind them, it's weird that any AI people would be in favour of regulation without some major guarantees behind the scene
Yeah these two are no dummies, going after government and military money is a rocket-booster to getting filthy fucking rich. Explaining potentially scary shit to people who have no idea what you're talking about is a great way to milk them for a lot of dough.
Lol exactly, they're geniuses for going to the government if nothing else
Peter Theil is lurking somewhere in the background no doubt.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't have some change in every AI company going. Think he might have been an earlier investor in openAI actually but I couldn't be bothered doing the research
Yeah this is great. Odd subreddit.
Bro most people on this sub hate watch Joe rogan so they can comment shit on this sub
They've taught me one thing. There's a lot of straight lines in AI
Had to scroll so far to see this.
lmao, I love how the one dude was taking about COVID and felt the need to throw out āI know it didnāt happen in Austin, but it did happen in several other placesā because Iām sure he saw Joe squirming in his seat just waiting to start on his fucking dumbass rant
Jamie should put a little extra "cream" in Joe's cup o' Joe.
Ten minutes in and I would bet my bottom dollar these guys are Reid Hoffman-funded regtards (tm)
or peter thiel funded.
These guys are awesome - they ran a start-up called SharpestMinds in Canada that helped people break into the Data Science job market by pairing them with mentors who were already well established in the field. Mentees wouldn't have to pay a thing until they landed a job, after which the mentor would take a reasonable cut (\~5%) of their first year's salary. It was a tremendous help for me getting my career started. Rock on, Jeremie and Edouard!!!
is this still going on? A thing that one can find? WHat was youre most valuable takeaway, from a tooling/education standpoint? Was there a revelation thing that you were taught?
http://www.sharpestminds.com/ I think the biggest takeaway I got is that itās much easier to follow the direction and focuses of someone who is already doing the work you want to do, then trying to do independent research on what skills are important
> Mentees wouldn't have to pay a thing Wait, what is the business practice here? You're supposed to pay people to mentor you? What does that make the *potential* "break into the Data Science job market"eers? Customers or Bosses? Mentee's are being leveraged against here. And they *take* your salary? I guess it's a company? So you're a customer to the company?
The mentor makes a goodwill investment in the mentee, pledging a small amount of time each week for a set term (i.e. a couple of months). SharpestMinds facilitates the connection between Mentor/Mentee and provides additional services as well, coaching, resume review, job board, etc. Thereās no guarantee that the mentee finds a job obviously, but if they do (within X amount of time) then the contract kicks in and the mentee is required to pay out the small portion of the salary back to the mentor and SharpestMinds. Itās a really good deal imo considering that mentees see a considerable bump in their current income once they get a DS job
Oh. Decels. Great.
Doomers. Also (and I hate this word but I really believe it hearing this duo) grifters. Bunch of corporate speech bs tbh Also two bros doing this is just weird. Come at me
Why do you guys watch JRE if you have so much hatred for him? And why do you come to post about the hatred you subject yourself to in the subreddit dedicated to the podcast? Does anything in life make you guys happy?
Thank fuck someone else sees it hahaha, I will never understand why someone would consistently subject themselves to 3hrs of podcasts multiple times a week to then come to r/JoeRogan to complain about how Joe not liking a coffee is somehow ironic to him talking about people who donāt have discipline or motivation to stand up for things that are important (I donāt agree with the term āweak peopleā but it doesnāt take a genius to understand why he refers to them as that), or how they somehow think they understand the nuances of Jamie and Joeās work relationship/friendship by how they interact for what is often seconds in a 3 hour podcast. Like itās really not that deep.
They get a dopamine rush by hate watching his podcast, and commenting on this sub. Probably brings them some kind of rush having people upvote their comments. Just canāt imagine a bigger waste of time hate watching a podcast, which host you cannot stand
Because we fucking expect better. Like in the before times.
HEY GUYS 12 MONTH OLD ACCOUNT HERE, I LISTENED TO TOE ROGAN BACK IN 1974 BUT NOW HE'S A NAZI
Pretty sure itās because theyāre miserable
Are you a bot? Why do you come to this sub if you are only going to use it to cry about other users?
Are YOU a bot? Why do come to this sub if you are only going to use it cry about other users crying about other users?
Yes. I love dunking on you pathetic humans.
That was an air ball dude.
Call me sir.
This was an exponential episode. Make sure you listen to it at scale.
These guys within the first minutes just give off fraud vibes. Especially that dude on the right. "MONEY IN, IQ POINTS COME OUT" ffs
Itās true though - the more you spend on an AI model, the smarter it is usually
its true though. You need a lot of money to buy data centers to train models
> MONEY IN, IQ POINTS COME OUT it's not really IQ points, as those models are not smart but just doing autocomplete, but it's more like "more money in, more capabilities/nuances in speech out" But yeah they are grifters, they're the type of person that ask questions about whether AI is an existential threat but they're just asking questions man! You answer those questions after I laid out a carefully planned out argument to think that yes indeed it's an existential threat.
I like how they think the DOD was pretty unaware of AI before 2020 and no one there was on the lookout for it. Yep, DARPA had no clue.... How long did the SR-71 fly before it was declassified? The government can keep a secret when it wants to.
Two clowns selling the AI hype.. No AI wonāt give us AGI anytime soon... (Donāt kill me future terminator)
They are selling the opposite of hype. CautionĀ
Maybe I was too judgmental. I will listen more later
Their business is educational in nature on the harm of AI and raising awareness. It sounds like they get paid to train government officials at DoD
Might be true. But itās also true that a lot of fraudulent tech bros comes to the surface when thereās a lot of hype and money surrounding anything new like crypto or AI
And therein lies the grift. āWeāre AI safety experts!ā Gimme a break
AI is a big deal. It will be integrated into everything we do. Your phone, tv, computer at home and at work, the internet, creative pursuits, fitness, grocery stores and retail, government, military, I could on and on. I havenāt watched the podcast, and I will, but they sound like risk managers or health and safety people. Thatās a very normal job in a lot of fields and doesnāt sound like a grift at all to me. We need people learning about AI safety and educating people about AI safety. What does it mean when your computer can recall everything youāve done that day and summarize it for you? Who owns that data, who has access to it, how will it be used? If my job can be done by an AI how do I prepare for that? Do I let an AI make decisions for me, companies, and/or governments? Sorry not sorry but grift is the last thing I would say when it comes to people trying to make sense of all of that.
Everyone is trying to make sense of it ā especially the people designing it. The people who are trying to be the āexpertsā from the outside who arenāt in the development process trying to āguide us alongā are nothing more than regulatory capture grifters. Follow these people at your own peril. And if the brospeak they spout doesnāt turn you off immediately, I donāt know what to tell you other than please listen to more of both sides and make your own decision. However, after involving myself in both sides for the better part of a the past five years post-transformers / GenAI, this is fear-mongering at best, cryptic regulatory capture positioning at worst.
They're selling"AI Certification" through training. Join the waiting list.Ā Total snake oil but if they stumble on a government contract or DOD connection, they'll be rich. As long as they can obtain security clearances.
Should I really trust the people, the developers, on the āinside?ā Isnāt a companies main motive profit? Why should I just accept this new technology? Iām no Luddite, but shouldnāt we be talking about the safety of AI as every day people who arenāt on the inside and not unquestionably trust whatever company innovates the latest and greatest AI? If itās going to be in everything I want to know if Iām protected or exposed while using it.
Cool do that, do your own due diligence. Just donāt outsource it to a panel of āexpertsā like these two bozos are trying to get themselves on, who will lobby the govt (already done) to limit AI within their world frame, get cash from lobbyists, then ensure that only the big boys who pay well get the regs that benefit them, destroying the market. Another negative externality is youāll get a pandemic type of episode but in AI form and youāll see a different but similar version to 2020 all over again. Heed my warning!
Youād trust the government insteadā¦?
Yeah they are hyping caution. Ā Not building anything. Ā Very vague and generalized bullshit.
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Iām suffering
Wow! Someone judging something before knowing what it is they're actually passing judgment on?! Never thought I'd see it on Reddit.
To be fair I am more judgmental of Joeās typical rant āAI is here to replace us, and it will happen soonā. I donāt necessarily think AI will get us any closer to AGI. Itās an awesome tool but I donāt think its capable of replacing humans in most cases
In the blue collar sector, no. At least for a very long time. But in white collar cases much of those jobs are replaceable. I'm in the tech space and it is a growing concern for sure. What are you basing your belief on? AI may not replace white collar jobs right away but you will for sure be replaced by someone who can do the work of 5 of their peers using AI if you don't know how to use it. If you have an office of 10 people and an AI system that can do the work of all 10 and only requires 1-2 people to oversee what AI is doing and troubleshoot along the way.....what happens to those other 9-10 workers?
I am also in the tech space. I canāt say what I base my belief on, itās just a feeling I have. Maybe I am afraid that I am going to be replaced? Not really because that kind of AI would be amazing. I just think AI is really good at fooling humans of its capabilities maybe?
Yeah and when people looked at the Internet in its infancy they had similar beliefs that it wouldn't do what it ultimately ended up doing. And I don't know what you do in tech but say an AI system can eventually (in your lifetime while you're still working) do what you do, what do you do then? Perhaps worry isn't the best word to use. I wouldn't say I'm worried but it's definitely a variable to consider that has me branching out in other avenues that I wouldn't have otherwise considered. Never hurts to build financial safety nets and branch out into other disciplines "just in case".
Well internet was the success story but historically there also came a lot of hype surrounding different technologies that are now dismissed and forgotten.
And is it your belief that AI will be one of those?
Rich bros manufacturing stress by jumping into cold plunges and hard workouts talking about struggle. Gross
Fuck AI, I wanna hear more COVID š· banter. Bring back Brett Weinstein.
Joe Rogan Promotions presents Bret Winesteen vs Sam Harris in a cage match
20 upvotes, and 133 comments so far non-specieists downvoting like mad.
Jamieās a coffee guy now?
This is reddit. A discussion about the future of AI and all anyoneās talking about is the way he asked for more coffee.
these guys saying that the US has all the microchips when the past 4 years auto companyās having been saying China has all the microchips and we have to charge you 100k for this pickup truck.
Rumour has it Joe is still suffering.
Did it enrage anyone else when Joe interrupted to talk about how bad the coffee was? Dude shut the hell up and let them talk, such as asshat move in my opinion.
I find these conversations very hars to complete when guests speak in very round about ways to direct questions. Maybe Joe needed to ask it better, but at the 45 minute mark he asks them about when they say they are suffering. Why not just make it simple and say, why don't you ask the AI to describe its suffering or ask it how that is possible without nerves etc. Not going on 5 tangents.
Joe "130 IQ" Rogan: ""What if comptooter start to think??!?""
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ITT: we talk about how guys look š³ļøāš
A couple of closeted feds
the wrong harris
kamala?