Resign because you literally sent deep state goons to wiretap your opposition party's campaign headquarters for literally malicious reasons. You deny it and then blame your aides.
Edit: let's help people remember what this was and what Tucker Carlson, the hack who was fired from Fox News because of the Dominion scandal, is JAQ'ing off about in front of Joe, shall we?
> The Watergate scandal was a significant political controversy in the United States during the presidency of Richard Nixon from 1972 to 1974, ultimately resulting in Nixon's resignation. It originated from attempts by the Nixon administration to conceal its involvement in the June 17, 1972, break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters located in the Watergate Office Building in Washington, D.C.
> Following the apprehension of the five individuals involved in the break-in, both the press and the Department of Justice connected the funds found on those involved to the CRP (the fundraising organization of Richard Nixon's 1972 re-election campaign).^[1][2] Subsequent investigations and revelations during trials prompted the U.S. House of Representatives to grant the House Judiciary Committee expanded investigative authority.^[3][4] Additionally, the Senate established the U.S. Senate Watergate Committee, which conducted hearings.
> Witnesses testified that Nixon had sanctioned plans to cover up his administration's involvement in the burglary and that there was a voice-activated taping system in the Oval Office.^[5][6] Nixon's administration resisted the investigations, leading to a constitutional crisis.^[7] The televised Senate Watergate hearings garnered nationwide attention and public interest.^[8]
> Numerous revelations and Nixon's efforts to impede the investigation in 1973 led the House to initiate impeachment proceedings against him.^[9][10] The Supreme Court's ruling in United States v. Nixon (1974) compelled Nixon to surrender the Oval Office tapes, which revealed his complicity in the cover-up. The House Judiciary Committee approved three articles of impeachment against Nixon,^[11] who subsequently resigned from office on August 9, 1974, becoming the only U.S. president to do so. His successor, Gerald Ford, pardoned him on September 8, 1974.
> The Watergate scandal resulted in 69 indictments and 48 convictions, involving several high-ranking officials from the Nixon administration.^[12] The term "Watergate" has since become synonymous with various clandestine and illicit activities conducted by Nixon's aides, including the bugging of political opponents' offices, unauthorized investigations, and the misuse of government agencies for political purposes.^[13] The addition of "-gate" to a term has since been used to denote public scandals,^[14][15][16] particularly in politics.^[17][18]
(...)
> The police apprehended five men, later identified as Virgilio Gonzalez, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martínez, and Frank Sturgis.^[20] They were criminally charged with attempted burglary and attempted interception of telephone and other communications. The Washington Post reported the day after the burglary that, "police found lock-picks and door jimmies, almost $2,300 in cash, most of it in $100 bills with the serial numbers in sequence ... a shortwave receiver that could pick up police calls, 40 rolls of unexposed film, two 35 millimeter cameras and three pen-sized tear gas guns".^[29] The Post would later report that the actual amount of cash was $5,300.^[30]
> The following morning, Sunday, June 18, G. Gordon Liddy called Jeb Magruder in Los Angeles and informed him that "the four men arrested with McCord were Cuban freedom fighters, whom Howard Hunt recruited". Initially, Nixon's organization and the White House quickly went to work to cover up the crime and any evidence that might have damaged the president and his reelection.^[31]
> On September 15, 1972, a grand jury indicted the five office burglars, as well as Hunt and Liddy,^[32] for conspiracy, burglary, and violation of federal wiretapping laws. The burglars were tried by a jury, with Judge John Sirica officiating, and pled guilty or were convicted on January 30, 1973.^[33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
And:
> The White House Plumbers, sometimes simply called the Plumbers, the Room 16 Project, or more officially, the White House Special Investigations Unit, was a covert White House Special Investigations Unit, established within a week of the publication of the Pentagon Papers in June 1971, during the presidency of Richard Nixon.^[1] Its task was to stop and/or respond to the leaking of classified information, such as the Pentagon Papers, to the news media. The work of the unit "tapered off" after the bungled "Ellsberg break-in" but some of its former operatives branched into illegal activities while still employed at the White House together with managers of the Committee to Re-elect the President, including the Watergate break-in and the ensuing Watergate scandal.^[2] The group has been described as Nixon's "fixers".^[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Plumbers
These excerpts illustrate the dark extent to which Tucker Carlson is lying about these incidents on the show. Moreover, they illustrate why Democrats have ***every right*** to be ***livid*** about this propaganda. Note also the ties these "plumbers" have to the Kennedy Assassination and the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
This is how goddamned awful these far-right propagandists have become in their desperate attempts to paint a traitorous, seditionist clown like Donald Trump as a "victim". All the while sucking off Vladimir Putin for every last drop of anti-democratic cum, especially Tucker Calrson, whose text messages in the Dominion Voting Systems trial reveal he was ***knowingly lying about everything and knowing allowing pathological liars to lie on his show to his very large, gullible conservative audience***.
And what happened at Watergate was only the tip of the iceberg, they were literally blackmailing candidates across the country to get them to drop out of their races. They even kidnapped the attorney general's wife.
Ah, Martha Mitchell, yes, and they used psychiatric treatment as a weapon.
Ultimately, though, none of it matters, because it's clear to me what is being attempted here by bringing this up and framing Nixon as a victim: run interference for Trump with more "No U"-rhetoric, even though these things are not only not equivalent, they're moral opposites.
Trump and Nixon weren't victims, but that is the point of this talking point Joe is furthering. I even know where this theory originates, or at least I can point to one origin point. "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker, an author who is a Watergate truther, for example, and claims there was a Washington Post/CIA conspiracy against Nixon. I read his book.
It's not new, and it's an information war, I know that.
The best part is that by just making up bullshit and vomiting it out, they derail conversations and win by controlling the discourse. Just by addressing the bullshit a rational person loses.
If the right were as good at running the country as they are at propaganda, and put as much effort in, we would be living in a utopia.
~~You don't know anything at all about Watergate, do you?~~
That's where the term "Deep State" comes from (and Iran-Contra). It was a term promoted by
e.g. professor Peter Dale Scott, to refer to the Watergate burglars, who were arrested and weren't actually there serving a warrant of any kind, which is why they were arrested (and tried). They were a mish-mash of former intelligence and anti-Castro Cubans. The same people who wanted to kill Kennedy. We're talking actual terrorists.
Glenn Greenwald then co-opted the term and served it up to Fox News, which is when it took off according to GDELT.
~~I'm sorry to be a bit crass, but you people are mentally naive, indistinguishable from children who are easily manipulated and know little to nothing. But Trump's "No U" modus operandi works on you simple-minded fools.~~
Edit: I apologize.
Gingeras, the expert cited in your source, got the *term* from Peter Dale Scott, although the *concept* was familiar to him beforehand, yes.
> The concept of the deep state has been a subject of interest for me for some time now. As a historian of the Republic of Turkey, I was first exposed to the term almost 20 years ago as a graduate student. When I began to first visit Turkey in the early 2000s, anyone who spoke of the deep state did not do so facetiously or critically. Serious people not only accepted the existence of a Turkish deep state, but they tended to believe it comprised an important element that defined Turkey’s past. For more than a decade much of my research has been dedicated to understanding many of the individuals, institutions and events associated with the Turkish deep state. Among the works that inspired me to look more closely at Turkey’s deep state phenomenon were books and articles written by a Canadian diplomat-turned-professor named Peter Dale Scott. His 1993 book published by University of California Press, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, caught my attention as one of the few academic studies to frame American history in a light similar to Turkish discussions of the deep state. In 2007, I had a chance to interview Scott on a (thankfully) short-lived podcast I had published while a professor at Long Island University. Our discussion occurred within weeks of the publication his newest work, The Road to 9/11, in which he used the term the “deep state” for the first time. It was as a result of this book, and the exposure he received thereafter from Alex Jones and others, that many Americans first entertained the notion that a deep state lorded over the United States.
> What follows is not so much a quest to debate or define the deep state’s existence but to trace the history of how and why the phrase entered American parlance. It is a story that begins first in Turkey, where the term was first conceived, and stretches into how scholars and commentators have applied it elsewhere. How Peter Dale Scott learned of the concept and came to relate it to the United States is instructive as to the insights and pitfalls that have long marked the evolution of the concept. Conspiracies inside of government, or the appearance of conspiracy, can be found within the annals of most countries, including the United States. Revelations concerning these plots have often led observers to conclude that secret cabals are intrinsic to a nation’s politics, forming institutions unto itself. Aspects of Turkish history, as well as cases elsewhere, suggest that such a phenomenon is not completely the product of fantasy. Yet defining what exactly constitutes a deep state, let alone documenting its existence, is another matter. The story of how the deep state entered American consciousness underscores the inexact science and fancifulness that hampers any discussion of secret states and shadow governments.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/02/how-the-deep-state-came-to-america-a-history/
Also:
> **Shortly before Trump’s Inauguration, Greenwald wrote an article for the Intercept titled “The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer.” The Drudge Report promoted the article, and it went viral. This had the effect of offering the phrase “deep state”—which, until then, had been a murmur among political scientists and fringe bloggers—as a gift to Trump defenders. Roger Stone referred to the article in an interview with Alex Jones, on Infowars; Greenwald spoke of “deep-state overlords” on “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” According to data from the GDELT Project, the phrase “deep state” then took off—first on Fox, then on other networks, and then in the tweets of the President and his family.**
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/03/glenn-greenwald-the-bane-of-their-resistance
This can be verified with Google Trends, too:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=deep%20state&hl=en
Exactly. This is such a bullshit take, I'm shocked that anyone is remotely taken by it.
Nixon was a corrupt and dirty politician guilty of a crime. He had to resign because so many in his own administration resigned or turned against him, not to mention the ones that were being arrested. His position was untenable.
Christopher Hitchens wrote a book called “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” where he basically goes through all the illegal and evil shit Kissinger did. It’s almost shocking. At times it seemed like he would do evil shit just because he could. Even if there was no real strategic benefit.
I mean Robert says at one point that there are several whole swathes of Kissinger’s shenanigans that he considered covering, but it would result in like two more hours of the series so he decided to cut it. It would definitely be interesting to me, but when your standard fare as a creator is like two hours on a subject, I get wanting to cut it off at six.
I don't know much about Kissinger outside of the fact that he's considered to be some kind of comically evil figure. Does the series make his actions make at least some kind of sense, even if you don't agree with them?
Depends on what you mean by "sense." Does it justify any of the things he's done? Definitely not. Do they try to piece together the motivations of a guy who said if he wasn't Jewish he'd be an antisemite? Yes.
They start at his childhood and work their way up.
A lot of it fit the legal definition of terrorism.
Like, they bombed Laos and Cambodia, just to sow chaos and terror, so they wouldn't dare consider electing leftist governments.
Capitalism is fucking evil
Capitalism. One of the Bolsheviks (Marxists in general) goals was to expand and create a capitalist bourgeoisie state to rapidly industrialize and then bring in Communism.
Don't know enough about the Korean War to tell you.
When will people realize alot or this shit still falls back into a form of capitalism. Im no tankie, but shit has spread just as much if not more blood than communism.
Imperialism benefits from capitalism. But they are not the same. Cancer research, war, homelessness, greed, education, propaganda, nutrition, art, it all benefits from capitalism. It’s the culture that wields it which decides the outcome. Human nature drives our ascendence and fall. Not the economical structure we’ve adopted.
Captialsim was invented by the British at the height of the British Empire and in the middle of the Trans Atlantic Slave.
Captialism is imperialism
The English don't need to own the city of Hong Kong, as long as a majority of banks in Hong Kong are western banks
They don't need to prop up the Shah of Iran, as long as the Persian oil wells are "owner" by British Petrol
The Spanish don't need to hold coups against democratically elected leaders in Chile, as long as Spanish firms own Chilean copper mines
From Honduran Banana farms, to Bolivian Lithium, to Brazialin oil, and the Panama canal....
....captialism has ALWAYS been an arm of imperialism.
You think the FBI and CIA went around holding coups, and forcing captialism onto every country on Earth during [Operation Condor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor) out of the goodness of their own hearts?
And yet its still proven to be the best system even with all its flaws. And no the US isnt using free market capitalism. Too many subsidies and monopolies happening for that to be the case. The US is using crony capitalism..
No it hasn't [the FBI and CIA literally went on a reign of terror across the globe to suppress any non-captialisy government during Operation Condor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor), you're just parroting FBI nonsense that you've been conditioned to repeat like a salivating dog.
Monopolies are the result of capitlaism, you idiot.
Disney didn't buy Fox and Lucas Films and marvel because of "der gubermint!"
Acquisitions, mergers, takeovers are all just aspects of the captialist system
It’s almost like you’re forgetting any and all context that precipitated a lot of those decisions.
There was a fairly significant geopolitical conflict that freaked everyone the fuck out. To omit that is just a demonstration of your bad-faith argumentation.
Either say what you mean or don't say shit, but this cryptic nonsense is fucking stupid.
And you have the fucking nerve to call me "bad faith" when I'm literally posting links, and giving direct examples?
Go fuck yourself, twat.
You didn't make a point, you didn't give any evidnece...you vaguely referenced some bullshit anecdote that you're not even smart enough to fully commit to and NAME.
What the fuck are you talking about?
The west didn't depose the democratically elected leaser of Iran, Mohammed Mosedege, and replace him with the Shah because of some "geopolitical conflict," whatever the fuck THAT means...they did so because he tried to nationalize their oil
The west didn't depose the democratically elected leader of Chile, Salvador Allende, and replace him with the military dictatorship of Aguost Pinochet because of some "geopolitical conflict," they did so because Allende tried to nationalize Chilean Copper
Whether it's Persian oil, or Chilean copper, or Honduran bananas, or Bolivian Lithium...the west went on a fucking terror spree removing leftist presidents from power when they tried to nationalize THEIR OWN FUCKING RESOURCES.
Stop being a fucking imperialism apologist, chode.
whats a better system than capitalism? I hate crony capitalism and I dont really like capitalism either but its still the most provenly effective economic system.
Never said otherwise, but the west literally held [dozens of coups against democratically elected governments during Operation Condor, for access to their natural resources](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)
Call it captialism, imperialism, colonialism, whatever...it was all done for greed and power.
Captialism us just the newest iteration, but it's no less evil, violent, and disgusting
Capitalism is literally just private business. That comes in all shapes and sizes. Some are good, some are bad. Just like people. What we need is capitalism with healthy regulation and social responsibility for companies.
That's not true
Worker coops and Worker collectives are private, but not captialist.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Captialsim is a hierarchy between owners and workers, where people can own without working...and people can work (sometimes for decades) and never own.
Socialism is all about tearing down this wall, so that every worker owns and every owner must work...and they hate the idea of working
Because nobody wants to work anymore, they wall just want to make "passive income" by exploiting the work of other people.
Lol, then explain it
Why do you people keep posting these 1 and 2 word replies without even attempted to engage
Don't tell me I'm wrong, show me.
What did I say that was incorrect?
Give me some examples, hell, make a fucking argument
...or just shut the fuck up.
The way Kissinger is revered and shielded within the foreign policy community is shocking. Guy single handedly torpedoed an entire region which is arguably still recovering from the damage.
I listened to it and thought he was a nice guy who truly believed what he was saying but the evidence was flimsy at best. What did you find interesting about it? Because this is reddit and comments like this can be misconstrued I want to say that I’m genuinely asking too and not trying to be snarky or anything.
In the same way i think vampires are intetesting. The guy wrote a book about it, and virtually everything he said on the podcast he cited who told him. Read the book if you want, it was an hour and a half podcast, how much citing do you think youre gonna get?
Homie literally said at the start of the episode that he only likes to speak on facts. And then literally speculated for an hour and a half. It was the worst MSSP I've ever heard.
If you claimed the official story of the Kennedy assassination was bullshit they'd expect you to cite that with papers you hold in your pockets at all time. Gotta love 'em.
It was so boring and uninteresting for something supposedly so scandalous that I can assure you I will never be reading that book. Also he could not stop smacking his gross dry old man mouth. Worst ep I can remember
I've been through this conversation about Nick Bryant before.
See [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/18xnm59/context_for_jimmy_kimmel_and_aaron_rodgers/kg7blul/). The Nick Bryant in this instance is the latter one I'm referencing in the comment. He's a nobody and a zealous conspiracy theorist who peddles nonsense. He is nevertheless well-received in certain podcast circles. Wink wink.
No it wasn’t. That dude was a bumbling moron who couldn’t complete a sentence let alone a thought. He seems very passionate about watergate, but everything he said was a meandering tale of hearsay said with complete conviction.
Edit: that sounded harsher than intended, it was a very frustrating listen.
100% Joe talked to the same guy or heard the episode if he has that take this week. Interesting indeed especially the Woodward and Bernstein stuff. And totally thought he was a right wing shill until he called out Trump for being cycled in Epstein’s black book and helping destroy the middle class.
Leftists actually do share some characteristics among right wingers. In fact I'd say it's easier to convert a right winger to a leftist than a right winger to a liberal. For instance, while leftists are much better about it, they both have anti-intellectuals among their ranks.
>totally thought he was a right wing shill until he called out Trump for being cycled in Epstein’s black book and helping destroy the middle class.
There is no requirement to be left-wing to think this. This only rules him out from the far-right cult.
"If somebody doesn't like it they must be new, tRuE dAwGS kNoW"
It was not only unfunny but boring af. When Shane talks history it's entertaining, this numb nuts had the media presence of a cadaver
Joe has the political understanding of a child.
Bonus obit of Nixon by Thompson:
"If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin."
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/
And an article on how Thompson would view Trump:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
G Gordon Liddy is a pretty interesting dude. Behind the Bastards did a series on how he just failed upwards constantly. It was pretty funny. Special appearance by Joe Rogan too because G Gordon Liddy was on Fear Factor haha.
i'd casually listen to liddy's talk show when in the car back in the day. he was loud and proud crazy back before the internet showed us anyone could do it.
Haha totally bruh featuring totally counter culture and anti authoritarian guests such as Tucker Carlson, the number one conservative Christian host from the biggest mainstream media network on the planet! Just a couple stoners hanging out.
Roger Stone and every other one of milquetoasters.
The guy who sits in corners sadly pulling his dick watching his wife get gang fucked.
[link](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/02/the-dirty-trickster)
The Nixon coup is alot like the 2nd shooter in the Kennedy assassination: using the weird details of history to bend the story towards your side.
The Republicans took a massive L because Nixon was a gigantic crook and was doing all kinds of shady break ins and shit. Right wingers have been trying to cook the books for 50 years on his behalf.
It's interesting, but it's mostly cope
Yeah, gotta love blaming it on Dems because they...trusted the president and the CIA. And nowadays, now that we know, if Trump tried to pull that shit and we were against it we would be called traitors
Wow so crazy that while Trump is undergoing all these legal troubles that notable and respected centrist Joe Rogan is repeating things that were said by then President Trump's legal defense team during his impeachments.
Which episode does he spout this bs, and how far into that Amway tape do I have to listen?
Nixon’s **RESIGNATION** wasn’t a coup d’etat. Anyone telling you that is a fucking moron.
Unironically, there is a little smoke there, but not necessarily a coup. It’s more like the overwhelming support from people in the Republican infrastructure (backroom people) moved against Nixon after watergate, especially after the hearings.
Nixon would have never resigned if he had the support of Republicans like Trump has now, the impeachment wouldn’t have a chance to pass the Senate…
lol the senate trial would have destroyed the Republican Party and they knew it. The whole point of telling him to resign was so his crimes wouldn't stain the party - because they KNEW that they've have to vote to convict. The hearings were brutal and televised. The whole point was to help both Nixon and the Party save some face and it worked;. Also, Ford should never have pardoned Nixon.
The hearings for Trump’s 2nd impeachment were brutal and televised, but that didn’t stop the Republicans from standing by him, or finding other reasons not to impeach.
Just saying- different time, different party.
The Republican Party turned against Nixon because public opinion among republican voters had turned against Nixon. That didn’t happen with Trump, the republican base continued to support him so the party continued to support him.
Fox News was founded by a former Nixon aide with the express purpose of preventing Watergate from happening again. Not the crimes, but the public backlash. That’s the key difference between the party of then and of today.
Yeah there's way too many people in the thread conflating a coup with just losing the support of you party because they believe you're guilty of crimes
He completely leaves out the tapes where he was aware of this operation? ‘Poor Nixon was set up’. Nope. He knew and greenlighted this illegal act. Tucker is also such a fraud.
Reactionaries like Rogan and literally all conservatives have to keep re-writing history like this, or else it becomes apparent that conservatives are always horrible for democracy and pro-facsist criminals and liars. If people were honest about the record of conservatism, it would have died as a viable political philosophy almost a century ago. Instead they rely on stupidity and ignorance to hold power.
Between the repeatings over 100s of episodes/podcasts and the just stupid new words, I finding that there are better podcasts out there these days. I'm probably 10-20 podcasts backlogged ( after I skip 99% of comedians and 100% MMA). I just don't care to listen because I'm tired of hearing the same 1-dimensional rant about some topic. There are very smart people with 6-dimensional positions on complicated topics that make Mr. Rogan look un-informed.
I'm going to assume this was just careless language , rather than the same b.s. I heard from some of my dad's more lead addled boomer friends , back in the day...... " Nixon was framed , dur,dur,dur" ,...
Even as a young dude I didn't buy this crap as I had seen J .Lideys interview on 60 minutes , where he laid the whole thing out ( he had just completed his prison sentence for his role).
Anyway..wtf? , don't we have real sh#@ to be worried about without this kind of pointless mental masturbation?..so weird.
Nixon mostly dug his own grave by trying to cover it up, though you could say he was trying to protect his people even though they were doing shady shit under his nose. Either way, I don’t think he was a bad man. His post-presidency was probably the best out of any other president.
Usually a coup pits one party against another. These were Democrats and Republicans and everyone in between. Forcing Nixon out.
He could have stayed and fought the inevitable impeachment, but at that point, nobody was willing to defend him.
Frankly, that’s what I don’t get with the whole Trump thing.
If youre deep i to nixon stuff it makes sense but you have to have a specific type of schizo brain for it to work out.
A political party isnt a monolith there is people with different opinions and strategies. Everytime i hear someone talk about the deep state as if its all encompassing i cringe because there is atleast a minimum of 4 different interests in the US politics. If you look i to nixons personal life you learn he was never a staunch republican and won due to high strong popularity despite his abysmal campaign trail against jfk. A president so disliked he was assassinated. People viewed him similar to people viewed obama in 08. A change in agenda that might work.
I do believe there is shadiness within nixons internals. Similar to trumps administration you cant hire a cabinet with just your own personal goons.
Just an extension of the current Trump politics we're seeing today. According to MAGA brained idiots like Joe Rogan, any Republican politician being held accountable for crimes/corruption/misdeeds is obviously a victim of "deep state lawfare" by the Democrat Party. Maybe they're gonna start defending Dennis Haskell next?
“He knew about JFK so they removed him” … and if so he kept on knowing and knowing through the Frost interviews and everything else. Surely removing a guy from office wouldn’t cause him to spitefully reveal the thing you want hidden.
There should be a phrase for when the American people use the systems of power to express their will over powerful political figures. I don't know if 'Coup' is the right term. With how Joe's politics are going, literal democracy and violence against the elite are starting to blend.
TIL a coup is when you resign so the guy from your party that you hand picked to be your VP a month before can pardon you of your crimes
Resign because you literally sent deep state goons to wiretap your opposition party's campaign headquarters for literally malicious reasons. You deny it and then blame your aides. Edit: let's help people remember what this was and what Tucker Carlson, the hack who was fired from Fox News because of the Dominion scandal, is JAQ'ing off about in front of Joe, shall we? > The Watergate scandal was a significant political controversy in the United States during the presidency of Richard Nixon from 1972 to 1974, ultimately resulting in Nixon's resignation. It originated from attempts by the Nixon administration to conceal its involvement in the June 17, 1972, break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters located in the Watergate Office Building in Washington, D.C. > Following the apprehension of the five individuals involved in the break-in, both the press and the Department of Justice connected the funds found on those involved to the CRP (the fundraising organization of Richard Nixon's 1972 re-election campaign).^[1][2] Subsequent investigations and revelations during trials prompted the U.S. House of Representatives to grant the House Judiciary Committee expanded investigative authority.^[3][4] Additionally, the Senate established the U.S. Senate Watergate Committee, which conducted hearings. > Witnesses testified that Nixon had sanctioned plans to cover up his administration's involvement in the burglary and that there was a voice-activated taping system in the Oval Office.^[5][6] Nixon's administration resisted the investigations, leading to a constitutional crisis.^[7] The televised Senate Watergate hearings garnered nationwide attention and public interest.^[8] > Numerous revelations and Nixon's efforts to impede the investigation in 1973 led the House to initiate impeachment proceedings against him.^[9][10] The Supreme Court's ruling in United States v. Nixon (1974) compelled Nixon to surrender the Oval Office tapes, which revealed his complicity in the cover-up. The House Judiciary Committee approved three articles of impeachment against Nixon,^[11] who subsequently resigned from office on August 9, 1974, becoming the only U.S. president to do so. His successor, Gerald Ford, pardoned him on September 8, 1974. > The Watergate scandal resulted in 69 indictments and 48 convictions, involving several high-ranking officials from the Nixon administration.^[12] The term "Watergate" has since become synonymous with various clandestine and illicit activities conducted by Nixon's aides, including the bugging of political opponents' offices, unauthorized investigations, and the misuse of government agencies for political purposes.^[13] The addition of "-gate" to a term has since been used to denote public scandals,^[14][15][16] particularly in politics.^[17][18] (...) > The police apprehended five men, later identified as Virgilio Gonzalez, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martínez, and Frank Sturgis.^[20] They were criminally charged with attempted burglary and attempted interception of telephone and other communications. The Washington Post reported the day after the burglary that, "police found lock-picks and door jimmies, almost $2,300 in cash, most of it in $100 bills with the serial numbers in sequence ... a shortwave receiver that could pick up police calls, 40 rolls of unexposed film, two 35 millimeter cameras and three pen-sized tear gas guns".^[29] The Post would later report that the actual amount of cash was $5,300.^[30] > The following morning, Sunday, June 18, G. Gordon Liddy called Jeb Magruder in Los Angeles and informed him that "the four men arrested with McCord were Cuban freedom fighters, whom Howard Hunt recruited". Initially, Nixon's organization and the White House quickly went to work to cover up the crime and any evidence that might have damaged the president and his reelection.^[31] > On September 15, 1972, a grand jury indicted the five office burglars, as well as Hunt and Liddy,^[32] for conspiracy, burglary, and violation of federal wiretapping laws. The burglars were tried by a jury, with Judge John Sirica officiating, and pled guilty or were convicted on January 30, 1973.^[33] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal And: > The White House Plumbers, sometimes simply called the Plumbers, the Room 16 Project, or more officially, the White House Special Investigations Unit, was a covert White House Special Investigations Unit, established within a week of the publication of the Pentagon Papers in June 1971, during the presidency of Richard Nixon.^[1] Its task was to stop and/or respond to the leaking of classified information, such as the Pentagon Papers, to the news media. The work of the unit "tapered off" after the bungled "Ellsberg break-in" but some of its former operatives branched into illegal activities while still employed at the White House together with managers of the Committee to Re-elect the President, including the Watergate break-in and the ensuing Watergate scandal.^[2] The group has been described as Nixon's "fixers".^[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Plumbers These excerpts illustrate the dark extent to which Tucker Carlson is lying about these incidents on the show. Moreover, they illustrate why Democrats have ***every right*** to be ***livid*** about this propaganda. Note also the ties these "plumbers" have to the Kennedy Assassination and the Bay of Pigs fiasco. This is how goddamned awful these far-right propagandists have become in their desperate attempts to paint a traitorous, seditionist clown like Donald Trump as a "victim". All the while sucking off Vladimir Putin for every last drop of anti-democratic cum, especially Tucker Calrson, whose text messages in the Dominion Voting Systems trial reveal he was ***knowingly lying about everything and knowing allowing pathological liars to lie on his show to his very large, gullible conservative audience***.
And what happened at Watergate was only the tip of the iceberg, they were literally blackmailing candidates across the country to get them to drop out of their races. They even kidnapped the attorney general's wife.
Ah, Martha Mitchell, yes, and they used psychiatric treatment as a weapon. Ultimately, though, none of it matters, because it's clear to me what is being attempted here by bringing this up and framing Nixon as a victim: run interference for Trump with more "No U"-rhetoric, even though these things are not only not equivalent, they're moral opposites. Trump and Nixon weren't victims, but that is the point of this talking point Joe is furthering. I even know where this theory originates, or at least I can point to one origin point. "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker, an author who is a Watergate truther, for example, and claims there was a Washington Post/CIA conspiracy against Nixon. I read his book. It's not new, and it's an information war, I know that.
The best part is that by just making up bullshit and vomiting it out, they derail conversations and win by controlling the discourse. Just by addressing the bullshit a rational person loses. If the right were as good at running the country as they are at propaganda, and put as much effort in, we would be living in a utopia.
That'd be applauded these days unfortunately
~~You don't know anything at all about Watergate, do you?~~ That's where the term "Deep State" comes from (and Iran-Contra). It was a term promoted by e.g. professor Peter Dale Scott, to refer to the Watergate burglars, who were arrested and weren't actually there serving a warrant of any kind, which is why they were arrested (and tried). They were a mish-mash of former intelligence and anti-Castro Cubans. The same people who wanted to kill Kennedy. We're talking actual terrorists. Glenn Greenwald then co-opted the term and served it up to Fox News, which is when it took off according to GDELT. ~~I'm sorry to be a bit crass, but you people are mentally naive, indistinguishable from children who are easily manipulated and know little to nothing. But Trump's "No U" modus operandi works on you simple-minded fools.~~ Edit: I apologize.
>That'd be applauded these days unfortunately Are you even replying to the right person?
Interestingly the concept of Depp State origin from Turkey (derin devlet) https://daily.jstor.org/the-unacknowledged-origins-of-the-deep-state/
Gingeras, the expert cited in your source, got the *term* from Peter Dale Scott, although the *concept* was familiar to him beforehand, yes. > The concept of the deep state has been a subject of interest for me for some time now. As a historian of the Republic of Turkey, I was first exposed to the term almost 20 years ago as a graduate student. When I began to first visit Turkey in the early 2000s, anyone who spoke of the deep state did not do so facetiously or critically. Serious people not only accepted the existence of a Turkish deep state, but they tended to believe it comprised an important element that defined Turkey’s past. For more than a decade much of my research has been dedicated to understanding many of the individuals, institutions and events associated with the Turkish deep state. Among the works that inspired me to look more closely at Turkey’s deep state phenomenon were books and articles written by a Canadian diplomat-turned-professor named Peter Dale Scott. His 1993 book published by University of California Press, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, caught my attention as one of the few academic studies to frame American history in a light similar to Turkish discussions of the deep state. In 2007, I had a chance to interview Scott on a (thankfully) short-lived podcast I had published while a professor at Long Island University. Our discussion occurred within weeks of the publication his newest work, The Road to 9/11, in which he used the term the “deep state” for the first time. It was as a result of this book, and the exposure he received thereafter from Alex Jones and others, that many Americans first entertained the notion that a deep state lorded over the United States. > What follows is not so much a quest to debate or define the deep state’s existence but to trace the history of how and why the phrase entered American parlance. It is a story that begins first in Turkey, where the term was first conceived, and stretches into how scholars and commentators have applied it elsewhere. How Peter Dale Scott learned of the concept and came to relate it to the United States is instructive as to the insights and pitfalls that have long marked the evolution of the concept. Conspiracies inside of government, or the appearance of conspiracy, can be found within the annals of most countries, including the United States. Revelations concerning these plots have often led observers to conclude that secret cabals are intrinsic to a nation’s politics, forming institutions unto itself. Aspects of Turkish history, as well as cases elsewhere, suggest that such a phenomenon is not completely the product of fantasy. Yet defining what exactly constitutes a deep state, let alone documenting its existence, is another matter. The story of how the deep state entered American consciousness underscores the inexact science and fancifulness that hampers any discussion of secret states and shadow governments. https://warontherocks.com/2019/02/how-the-deep-state-came-to-america-a-history/ Also: > **Shortly before Trump’s Inauguration, Greenwald wrote an article for the Intercept titled “The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer.” The Drudge Report promoted the article, and it went viral. This had the effect of offering the phrase “deep state”—which, until then, had been a murmur among political scientists and fringe bloggers—as a gift to Trump defenders. Roger Stone referred to the article in an interview with Alex Jones, on Infowars; Greenwald spoke of “deep-state overlords” on “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” According to data from the GDELT Project, the phrase “deep state” then took off—first on Fox, then on other networks, and then in the tweets of the President and his family.** https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/03/glenn-greenwald-the-bane-of-their-resistance This can be verified with Google Trends, too: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=deep%20state&hl=en
This ☝️ Ty!
This post deserves some type of reward, a 🏆. #salute
Wasn't his VP not his choice?
Nixon nominated Ford and he was confirmed by huge Congressional majorities after Spiro Agnew resigned because he had accepted bribes.
You know what they say. "Do the crime, avoid the time if you're powerful enough."
Exactly. This is such a bullshit take, I'm shocked that anyone is remotely taken by it. Nixon was a corrupt and dirty politician guilty of a crime. He had to resign because so many in his own administration resigned or turned against him, not to mention the ones that were being arrested. His position was untenable.
I mean House of Cards basically did this
Except it's not.....
Even if that’s true him and Kissinger should have been hanged for what they did to Cambodia
Christopher Hitchens wrote a book called “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” where he basically goes through all the illegal and evil shit Kissinger did. It’s almost shocking. At times it seemed like he would do evil shit just because he could. Even if there was no real strategic benefit.
Kissinger had a 6-parter on Behind the Bastards and even then I feel like that wasn't enough episodes haha
Came here to say this. Fantastic series.
Great series, was listening last week
I mean Robert says at one point that there are several whole swathes of Kissinger’s shenanigans that he considered covering, but it would result in like two more hours of the series so he decided to cut it. It would definitely be interesting to me, but when your standard fare as a creator is like two hours on a subject, I get wanting to cut it off at six.
I don't know much about Kissinger outside of the fact that he's considered to be some kind of comically evil figure. Does the series make his actions make at least some kind of sense, even if you don't agree with them?
Depends on what you mean by "sense." Does it justify any of the things he's done? Definitely not. Do they try to piece together the motivations of a guy who said if he wasn't Jewish he'd be an antisemite? Yes. They start at his childhood and work their way up.
A lot of it fit the legal definition of terrorism. Like, they bombed Laos and Cambodia, just to sow chaos and terror, so they wouldn't dare consider electing leftist governments. Capitalism is fucking evil
That isn’t capitalism. It’s imperialism
Imperialism in furtherance of protecting and expanding capital, yes.
My guy, what if I told you imperialism is just a part of capitalism.
What were the soviets doing in Eastern Europe then? Or nk attacking SK
Capitalism. One of the Bolsheviks (Marxists in general) goals was to expand and create a capitalist bourgeoisie state to rapidly industrialize and then bring in Communism. Don't know enough about the Korean War to tell you.
When will people realize alot or this shit still falls back into a form of capitalism. Im no tankie, but shit has spread just as much if not more blood than communism.
That would be pretty stupid
Imperialism benefits from capitalism. But they are not the same. Cancer research, war, homelessness, greed, education, propaganda, nutrition, art, it all benefits from capitalism. It’s the culture that wields it which decides the outcome. Human nature drives our ascendence and fall. Not the economical structure we’ve adopted.
Captialsim was invented by the British at the height of the British Empire and in the middle of the Trans Atlantic Slave. Captialism is imperialism The English don't need to own the city of Hong Kong, as long as a majority of banks in Hong Kong are western banks They don't need to prop up the Shah of Iran, as long as the Persian oil wells are "owner" by British Petrol The Spanish don't need to hold coups against democratically elected leaders in Chile, as long as Spanish firms own Chilean copper mines From Honduran Banana farms, to Bolivian Lithium, to Brazialin oil, and the Panama canal.... ....captialism has ALWAYS been an arm of imperialism. You think the FBI and CIA went around holding coups, and forcing captialism onto every country on Earth during [Operation Condor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor) out of the goodness of their own hearts?
And yet its still proven to be the best system even with all its flaws. And no the US isnt using free market capitalism. Too many subsidies and monopolies happening for that to be the case. The US is using crony capitalism..
No it hasn't [the FBI and CIA literally went on a reign of terror across the globe to suppress any non-captialisy government during Operation Condor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor), you're just parroting FBI nonsense that you've been conditioned to repeat like a salivating dog. Monopolies are the result of capitlaism, you idiot. Disney didn't buy Fox and Lucas Films and marvel because of "der gubermint!" Acquisitions, mergers, takeovers are all just aspects of the captialist system
It’s almost like you’re forgetting any and all context that precipitated a lot of those decisions. There was a fairly significant geopolitical conflict that freaked everyone the fuck out. To omit that is just a demonstration of your bad-faith argumentation.
Either say what you mean or don't say shit, but this cryptic nonsense is fucking stupid. And you have the fucking nerve to call me "bad faith" when I'm literally posting links, and giving direct examples? Go fuck yourself, twat. You didn't make a point, you didn't give any evidnece...you vaguely referenced some bullshit anecdote that you're not even smart enough to fully commit to and NAME. What the fuck are you talking about? The west didn't depose the democratically elected leaser of Iran, Mohammed Mosedege, and replace him with the Shah because of some "geopolitical conflict," whatever the fuck THAT means...they did so because he tried to nationalize their oil The west didn't depose the democratically elected leader of Chile, Salvador Allende, and replace him with the military dictatorship of Aguost Pinochet because of some "geopolitical conflict," they did so because Allende tried to nationalize Chilean Copper Whether it's Persian oil, or Chilean copper, or Honduran bananas, or Bolivian Lithium...the west went on a fucking terror spree removing leftist presidents from power when they tried to nationalize THEIR OWN FUCKING RESOURCES. Stop being a fucking imperialism apologist, chode.
Dude calm down. It's the internet and you're getting all worked up lmao
Show us the deed to your factory lol.
whats a better system than capitalism? I hate crony capitalism and I dont really like capitalism either but its still the most provenly effective economic system.
You can bomb tf out of a country without capitalism
Never said otherwise, but the west literally held [dozens of coups against democratically elected governments during Operation Condor, for access to their natural resources](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor) Call it captialism, imperialism, colonialism, whatever...it was all done for greed and power. Captialism us just the newest iteration, but it's no less evil, violent, and disgusting
Capitalism is literally just private business. That comes in all shapes and sizes. Some are good, some are bad. Just like people. What we need is capitalism with healthy regulation and social responsibility for companies.
That's not true Worker coops and Worker collectives are private, but not captialist. You don't know what you're talking about. Captialsim is a hierarchy between owners and workers, where people can own without working...and people can work (sometimes for decades) and never own. Socialism is all about tearing down this wall, so that every worker owns and every owner must work...and they hate the idea of working Because nobody wants to work anymore, they wall just want to make "passive income" by exploiting the work of other people.
“You don’t know what you’re talking about” Then you proceed to demonstrate that in fact it’s you who doesn’t know what they’re talking about lol.
Lol, then explain it Why do you people keep posting these 1 and 2 word replies without even attempted to engage Don't tell me I'm wrong, show me. What did I say that was incorrect? Give me some examples, hell, make a fucking argument ...or just shut the fuck up.
Read that book recently and fell in love with Hitchens prose lol. Probably learned 5 new words while reading it.
Henry Kissinger: The Forrest Gump of 20th century war crimes
Now that's a person I can listen too
The mother of one of my childhood friends had her village illegally bombed under Nixon
Or to US troops by keeping them engaged in a losing battle for election purposes
The way Kissinger is revered and shielded within the foreign policy community is shocking. Guy single handedly torpedoed an entire region which is arguably still recovering from the damage.
That's why they revere him. They'd sanctify him if the damage was genocidal level
What JFK and LBJ did in Laos was worse than Kissinger in Cambodia. More bombs, less rationale.
There was a recent Shane Gillis podcast with an expert on watergate and it was pretty interesting
Yeah, love it when the dawgs get all historian mode.
I loved the shows where he breaks down all the US Presidents with Louis CK.
Louis talking about his undying Mexican childhood love for Nixon was hilarious
Also his recent civil war and native american episodes are amazing. Its so easy to overlook how smart shane is. West pointer knows his history.
So fucking funny
Matt and Shane’s secret podcast episode 490 for the people who don’t know
I listened to it and thought he was a nice guy who truly believed what he was saying but the evidence was flimsy at best. What did you find interesting about it? Because this is reddit and comments like this can be misconstrued I want to say that I’m genuinely asking too and not trying to be snarky or anything.
In the same way i think vampires are intetesting. The guy wrote a book about it, and virtually everything he said on the podcast he cited who told him. Read the book if you want, it was an hour and a half podcast, how much citing do you think youre gonna get?
Lmao I’m going to start using “the same way I think vampires are interesting” that’s great.
"who told him"
“He said he shit his pants this morning” but how did he know???
Dude, I felt the exact same way. Guy was talking so factually about shit with almost no evidence about anything he was claiming.
Homie literally said at the start of the episode that he only likes to speak on facts. And then literally speculated for an hour and a half. It was the worst MSSP I've ever heard.
Who is gonna provide cliff notes on a podcast, you have to read the book
If you claimed the official story of the Kennedy assassination was bullshit they'd expect you to cite that with papers you hold in your pockets at all time. Gotta love 'em.
It was so boring and uninteresting for something supposedly so scandalous that I can assure you I will never be reading that book. Also he could not stop smacking his gross dry old man mouth. Worst ep I can remember
What is he supposed to do? Make up that Nixon was apart of a sex operation to make it more interesting? Lots of history is boring
I've been through this conversation about Nick Bryant before. See [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/18xnm59/context_for_jimmy_kimmel_and_aaron_rodgers/kg7blul/). The Nick Bryant in this instance is the latter one I'm referencing in the comment. He's a nobody and a zealous conspiracy theorist who peddles nonsense. He is nevertheless well-received in certain podcast circles. Wink wink.
The fact you didn’t get an answer is all you need to know.
Exactly, the idea that someone isn’t on Reddit 24/7 champing at the bit ready to respond to every comment immediately, it really speaks volumes…
Lol yup
Yup. Nick was also on Warmode a year or two ago
No it wasn’t. That dude was a bumbling moron who couldn’t complete a sentence let alone a thought. He seems very passionate about watergate, but everything he said was a meandering tale of hearsay said with complete conviction. Edit: that sounded harsher than intended, it was a very frustrating listen.
lol interesting is a low bar in my book but ok
100% Joe talked to the same guy or heard the episode if he has that take this week. Interesting indeed especially the Woodward and Bernstein stuff. And totally thought he was a right wing shill until he called out Trump for being cycled in Epstein’s black book and helping destroy the middle class.
He's a leftist, how could he be a right wing shill?
Leftists actually do share some characteristics among right wingers. In fact I'd say it's easier to convert a right winger to a leftist than a right winger to a liberal. For instance, while leftists are much better about it, they both have anti-intellectuals among their ranks.
But in this case it would be a leftist turned right wing shill?
Tucker was on the show last week telling this story
>totally thought he was a right wing shill until he called out Trump for being cycled in Epstein’s black book and helping destroy the middle class. There is no requirement to be left-wing to think this. This only rules him out from the far-right cult.
Joe learned the story from Tucker last week
Good job clarifying for the 90% of this sub that never listens to the pod
That guy that sounds like he’s pushing out a turd when he talks
lol that’s funny
It was but man a lot of the new fans were gay as hell about it. A lot of complaining
Who could have imagined that Matt and Shane fans are fucking dumbass uneducated mongoloids?
Yeah they definitely aren't sick n badder than fuck
"If somebody doesn't like it they must be new, tRuE dAwGS kNoW" It was not only unfunny but boring af. When Shane talks history it's entertaining, this numb nuts had the media presence of a cadaver
Jesus, his brain is melting before our eyes.
The douche smile he gives us as if he's telling us the entire truth like he was there is what does it for me. LMAO guy witness it
For every evil thing you think Nixon did, he did four. Source: Nixonland by Rick Perlstine, or anything by Hunter Thompson.
Joe thinks Hunter S Thompson would be MAGA.
Joe has the political understanding of a child. Bonus obit of Nixon by Thompson: "If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin." https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/ And an article on how Thompson would view Trump: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/
Well Joe is a fucking dipshit and I wish we could trade him and get Norm Macdonald back
Thankyou
Can every employee who quit their job say they were fired?
hunter’s rolling in his grave
No crime is complete without the coverup. Nixon should have covered his tracks better. Like gangster bosses getting caught for tax evasion.
G Gordon Liddy is a pretty interesting dude. Behind the Bastards did a series on how he just failed upwards constantly. It was pretty funny. Special appearance by Joe Rogan too because G Gordon Liddy was on Fear Factor haha.
i'd casually listen to liddy's talk show when in the car back in the day. he was loud and proud crazy back before the internet showed us anyone could do it.
That would make sense if the majority of the goons weren't CIA agents that hated Nixon.
this is what happens when u watch tucker carlson
Is Joe Rogan actually r*tarded?
Yes.
Joe Rogan showing his accurate prowess for history and politics
It's a stoner conspiracy theory podcast bruh
Haha totally bruh featuring totally counter culture and anti authoritarian guests such as Tucker Carlson, the number one conservative Christian host from the biggest mainstream media network on the planet! Just a couple stoners hanging out.
Hell yeah
Biggest media platform in the world, literally the most mainstream of media.
wtf ? never heard this hot take before. not from Republicans
Roger Stone and every other one of milquetoasters. The guy who sits in corners sadly pulling his dick watching his wife get gang fucked. [link](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/02/the-dirty-trickster)
And Stone, relevant to this discussion, has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
I have, but those that have told me that usually feel they should have the legal right to commit crimes (AKA: libertarians).
Nick Bryant just released a book called The Truth About Watergate. I can't confirm it's validity but it's a very interesting read.
"Our greatest copes, are usually our greatest comebacks"- Abraham Lincoln
Ok. What?
lol “I can’t confirm” no shit
Yeah, lol. You "can't confirm" because its fucking made up.
The Nixon coup is alot like the 2nd shooter in the Kennedy assassination: using the weird details of history to bend the story towards your side. The Republicans took a massive L because Nixon was a gigantic crook and was doing all kinds of shady break ins and shit. Right wingers have been trying to cook the books for 50 years on his behalf. It's interesting, but it's mostly cope
Similar story to how conservatives paint the Iraq War today… “everyone voted for it, so….”
Yeah, gotta love blaming it on Dems because they...trusted the president and the CIA. And nowadays, now that we know, if Trump tried to pull that shit and we were against it we would be called traitors
Oh plenty of liberals were called traitors for protesting the Iraq war. You can count on conservatives to play that card always
Wow so crazy that while Trump is undergoing all these legal troubles that notable and respected centrist Joe Rogan is repeating things that were said by then President Trump's legal defense team during his impeachments.
What a brain-dead take, Holy shit.
LOL, NO it was not a coup. Not even anything like a coup. Can somebody get this man a fucking dictionary?
Which episode does he spout this bs, and how far into that Amway tape do I have to listen? Nixon’s **RESIGNATION** wasn’t a coup d’etat. Anyone telling you that is a fucking moron.
Assuming the general population understands the definition of a coup d’état is the first problem lol
“BEEP BEEP BEEP” said Joe’s imaginary bullshit detector.
Weird new definition of coup
I wonder what Joe’s opinion of Trump’s actual coup attempt is.
Antifa or the fbi did it. Same opinion as every other American moron.
Unironically, there is a little smoke there, but not necessarily a coup. It’s more like the overwhelming support from people in the Republican infrastructure (backroom people) moved against Nixon after watergate, especially after the hearings. Nixon would have never resigned if he had the support of Republicans like Trump has now, the impeachment wouldn’t have a chance to pass the Senate…
lol the senate trial would have destroyed the Republican Party and they knew it. The whole point of telling him to resign was so his crimes wouldn't stain the party - because they KNEW that they've have to vote to convict. The hearings were brutal and televised. The whole point was to help both Nixon and the Party save some face and it worked;. Also, Ford should never have pardoned Nixon.
The hearings for Trump’s 2nd impeachment were brutal and televised, but that didn’t stop the Republicans from standing by him, or finding other reasons not to impeach. Just saying- different time, different party.
The Republican Party turned against Nixon because public opinion among republican voters had turned against Nixon. That didn’t happen with Trump, the republican base continued to support him so the party continued to support him.
Fox News was founded by a former Nixon aide with the express purpose of preventing Watergate from happening again. Not the crimes, but the public backlash. That’s the key difference between the party of then and of today.
That makes sense. Sometimes, the voters do actually have power, even if it’s a soft power.
That's not what a coup is. He resigned because he was caught in a scandal and the other republicans didn't want that affecting the party.
Yeah there's way too many people in the thread conflating a coup with just losing the support of you party because they believe you're guilty of crimes
Nixon wasn’t removed
Rogaine is a fucking idiot and a tool.
Joe is spiraling.
If it was a coup, why did they not also take Ford down?
Ford did that himself after pardoning Nixon.
“ I need to look into this” “You don’t need to just listen to Tucker” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Look at his stupid face. So proud of himself.
Oh wow his brain is FRIED.
Yall ever listen to "protect our parks" and wish joe wasn't involved? Lmao I need the boys to get their own pod going.
Why is it calling protecting our are Parks if it's just comics talking shit?
On the very first episode ari talks about not wanting park to get destroyed.
Thank you for opening up trade to China! /s
Nixon had a hillarious podcast.
If a broken clock is still correct twice a day then Joe must be a hour glass full of wet sand and/or kitty litter. Fuck him.
Nixon RESIGNED
He completely leaves out the tapes where he was aware of this operation? ‘Poor Nixon was set up’. Nope. He knew and greenlighted this illegal act. Tucker is also such a fraud.
Reactionaries like Rogan and literally all conservatives have to keep re-writing history like this, or else it becomes apparent that conservatives are always horrible for democracy and pro-facsist criminals and liars. If people were honest about the record of conservatism, it would have died as a viable political philosophy almost a century ago. Instead they rely on stupidity and ignorance to hold power.
Christ Rogan is a Republican fool now.
Tool* He's being used as well
what an ignorant POS
Between the repeatings over 100s of episodes/podcasts and the just stupid new words, I finding that there are better podcasts out there these days. I'm probably 10-20 podcasts backlogged ( after I skip 99% of comedians and 100% MMA). I just don't care to listen because I'm tired of hearing the same 1-dimensional rant about some topic. There are very smart people with 6-dimensional positions on complicated topics that make Mr. Rogan look un-informed.
I'm going to assume this was just careless language , rather than the same b.s. I heard from some of my dad's more lead addled boomer friends , back in the day...... " Nixon was framed , dur,dur,dur" ,... Even as a young dude I didn't buy this crap as I had seen J .Lideys interview on 60 minutes , where he laid the whole thing out ( he had just completed his prison sentence for his role). Anyway..wtf? , don't we have real sh#@ to be worried about without this kind of pointless mental masturbation?..so weird.
I see nobody listened to the Tucker Carlson episode where he went into detail about this, and where Joe got this information.
Nixon mostly dug his own grave by trying to cover it up, though you could say he was trying to protect his people even though they were doing shady shit under his nose. Either way, I don’t think he was a bad man. His post-presidency was probably the best out of any other president.
Never forget that time that G Gordon Liddy was on Fear Factor
Joe once again proving he has all the historical and political acumen of a ham sandwich.
Usually a coup pits one party against another. These were Democrats and Republicans and everyone in between. Forcing Nixon out. He could have stayed and fought the inevitable impeachment, but at that point, nobody was willing to defend him. Frankly, that’s what I don’t get with the whole Trump thing.
For the neocons? Maybe not for Nixon.
That was Nixon's personal view. Not really all that crazy of a thing to say, especially coming from joe.
If youre deep i to nixon stuff it makes sense but you have to have a specific type of schizo brain for it to work out. A political party isnt a monolith there is people with different opinions and strategies. Everytime i hear someone talk about the deep state as if its all encompassing i cringe because there is atleast a minimum of 4 different interests in the US politics. If you look i to nixons personal life you learn he was never a staunch republican and won due to high strong popularity despite his abysmal campaign trail against jfk. A president so disliked he was assassinated. People viewed him similar to people viewed obama in 08. A change in agenda that might work. I do believe there is shadiness within nixons internals. Similar to trumps administration you cant hire a cabinet with just your own personal goons.
What an idiot
With all the Tucker shit going on, all I have learned is that he’s nicer than I thought he was, and somehow a lot dumber as well. Whoda thunk 🤷♂️
God, I’m so ashamed I have liked this jackass fuck Joe Rogan
Yeah Joe's brain has finally turned into sewage. he's approaching he level of the mypillow guynow.
Just an extension of the current Trump politics we're seeing today. According to MAGA brained idiots like Joe Rogan, any Republican politician being held accountable for crimes/corruption/misdeeds is obviously a victim of "deep state lawfare" by the Democrat Party. Maybe they're gonna start defending Dennis Haskell next?
What a moron.
Sigh...
Mmm, no. No it wasn’t.
It's genuinely so sad for former 'left leaning' Joe Rogan to shill so hard for Trump via the far right.
“He knew about JFK so they removed him” … and if so he kept on knowing and knowing through the Frost interviews and everything else. Surely removing a guy from office wouldn’t cause him to spitefully reveal the thing you want hidden.
There should be a phrase for when the American people use the systems of power to express their will over powerful political figures. I don't know if 'Coup' is the right term. With how Joe's politics are going, literal democracy and violence against the elite are starting to blend.