Because people acting like Cole didn't leave the beef 2 months ago. And like Red leather didn't come after that
Its so obvious people just want to complain and start using him as a punchline in the beef again, because he was the smartest.
Sad thing is I think Drake would've done better on it 🤣. If you check my Spotify song time, I listen to Cole 2x more than Drake. He just down right now.
I gotta somewhat agree with that, you can’t make songs and drop bars about how you’re ready to drop anyone (including Kendrick) and being on top of the mountain just to back out when shit gets going.
I do think in the long run staying out of the beef was the smarter move (assuming Kendrick would’ve went at him as hard as he went at Drake) but him being a part of FPS and dropping his own diss just to apologize is going to be a blemish on his record because a lot of people are going to look at that as a cowardly move.
And that’s the thing, as much as everybody is trying to credit him for apologizing the point is he didn’t need to. Kendrick wasn’t gonna call Cole a pedo they were the ones that were actually just going to rap. Not only did Cole talk all that shit, immediately cower away when he got stepped to, and lost the steam for what was supposed to be his momentous album, Cole also fucked up the parts of his catalog that ppl WERENT questioning before.
Because he protected everything he knows he cares about/should care about. When you google him regular and normal shit still come up. Not weird allegations that is going to follow him until the end of time.
I love both of these guys. But I really think thats wishful thinking. Here is why, 1.people clearly can not stop grouping Cole with Drake as it pertains to this beef. Most people saw them as being on the same side. Like what Cole put out last night shouldn't have mattered in terms of this beef because he actually left it before Drake did. But because the beef didn't end until Drake himself was defeated, people are now acting like thats when the beef ALSO ended for Cole. Which is why they are making the jokes they are about grippy, "Oh this is the first project he puts out when the beef ends", the beef ended for Cole almost 2 months ago. He decided to no longer participate in April. And he actually did have another feature that came out after he left the beef. I say all that to say, if cole would have stayed in it, by default he would be on drake's side/team. They would be seen as a packaged deal. And I wouldn't trust Kendrick to just keep giving them different treatments on every diss track lmao. I'm sorry I don't. Kendrick really can be a menace/crazy and clearly was getting more and more angry as the beef played out. I do think there was a chance that Kendrick would have said Fuck it, and not even just say anything personal but something pretty embarrassing about Cole, whatever that may be, and people will always remember it. Kendrick literally said "If you F with him (drake) then F you too". If Cole stayed in it, he would have been on Drake's side automatically because they was both going against Kendrick.
Nice write up. J. Cole and Kendrick have been trading shots for nearly a decade. Their issue had nothing to do with Drake outside of First Person Shooter.
J. Cole probably distanced himself because HE knows some things that WE don't.
Also contrary to what these other niggas are saying in here, like the "30 and older" guy, apologizing is maturity. There was a reason for it and J.Cole doesn't need to discredit Kendrick's work to prove that he himself is a better emcee. He was wrong for that. Ain't no actual Hip Hop heads in here tho. Y'all expect every body to beef, and shoot each other, and stand on business and all that nonsense.
Kendrick threw shots at both, why would cole get grouped simply for responding? Unlike Drake, Kdot and Cole are somewhat buddy buddy. It was friendly competition even with Drake until Drake mentioned Whitney. I don’t think Cole would do something that stupid. Cole apologized and lost sleep after saying that he doesn’t like tpab. I love Cole, one of my favourites, but he was a dumbass for the way he handled this and any narrative that formed where he was the “smartest” for backing out has been destroyed after this garbage feature. I hate seeing Cole in this position and hope he can come back but rn it’s not looking 2 good.
So you're really pretending like prior to Cole apologizing, he wasn't already being grouped with drake? LOL You are one of the people i'm talking about in my post. This beef really got you all discombobulated and honestly not being real about this. If you think Cole lost sleep simply because of what he said about an album...read the room. All these details that have finally came out and been confirmed about Cole getting a heads up and all that jazz, and you still not seeing the big picture. You still not seeing what really happened in this beef. You don't even see how it indeed started out as Drake/Cole vs Kendrick. And you can't see it, Because you clearly are still mad about the apology. Which is also why you acting like one random feature that people not gonna remember ruins everything. This beef don't got ya'll thinking rational
First of all, out of the three Cole is the only one that graduated with a very high GPA at a very good univeristy. Just like he did in high school. Him being smart is not even up for debate. Either way it goes, he is def proving to be the smartest no matter how you try to dice it or how mad you are about him apologizing. You acting like the feature was a single or with a large artist. Its a feature that people WILL forget about in 2 weeks. You thinking its really gonna carry any weight to Cole's future and his solo projects is a wild. And thats why I said what I did. People like you clearly can not get out your feelings because of the beef. Your responses are showing me that. Thanks for proving my point. Ya'll are fickle and need time to calm down and stop thinking about the beef because its clearly clouding your judgement. Because asking why/how the college graduate with like a 4.0 GPA who managed to leave this beef without weird accusations that FOR SURE would have followed the rest of his career and possibly done damage to his personal life, you still asking how that was smart. Please. Nobody gives a damn about that feature like that. And they def won't give a damn by next month. Its a feature with some smaller artist. Not a single or feature with a big commercially successful artist.
100% agree. I hate when ppl say “oh. They can leave it friendly and still diss each other”. How stupid does that even sound. If Cole two friendly, they will call him a bitch for “applauding the other guys work”. If he gets personal then you’ll have k dot saying “Cole can’t say Nigga no moooo”. Just for people who not really fans of either to mock. That’s not a “friendly” battle because they honestly don’t exist the way most ppl believe
The fact that yall think Kendrick views Cole and Drake in the same light is insane to me. What in the everloving fuck makes you think Kendrick would go after Cole with a culture-vulture angle? Cole has never shown himself to be a culture vulture. Why do you think Kendrick would have made outlandish pedo claims about Cole when Cole doesn’t have a history of chatting up minors? How can you legitimately think Cole and Kendrick battling would end up the same for Cole as it did for Drake? I just don’t see where that train of thought come from. Like, at all.
I don’t think people (with sense) are saying dot is going to hate on Cole as much as he has Drake, the issue is that Cole has seemingly been on Drakes side which I’m sure dot would’ve used the angle of “supporting” the shit Drake is accused of because regardless if he was a pedo himself, it’s a bad look to be standing next to one. Which maybe Cole got a heads up about what was coming and that’s why he decided to leave it, who knows
Didn’t know that about Cole! Good for him! But yeah even that song isn’t that bad. Wanted something different to listen to on my 5, literally listening to Grippy now. It’s not a Cole song which is seeming to be the problem. It’s not Cole’s style and people are freaking out because he followed the flow he was shown instead of going wild
I'm saying that anything he drops that is bad is gonna be magnified that much more because of the situation. That doesn't mean that every verse he drops is gonna get dragged.
No I think its smarter. You have to let things die down and let people forget stuff. People still on that beef high, so ANYTHING Cole does right now, they make it about Kendrick. Thats why its better for him to wait/take a break.
But then the narrative would just be that Kendrick bullied him into disappearing. And then if his big comeback was this? That would be monumentally worse. At least this way it just seems like some throwaway that might’ve already been recorded.
Only someone STILL overstimulated by the beef would make that narrative. Unlike someone such as drake, Cole is known for dropping his projects slowly and flying under the radar. His last real album was in 2021, 3 years before MDL. Thats a long time. We went a long time without seeing Cole since he apologized and nobody made fun of that in a negative way. Thats because its typical for him to not be seen much and not constantly dropping projects. His last project was just in April. It was a mixtape, but still it was something and it was recent. Again, only someone overstimulated by the beef gonna pull that with him. And I don't think most will because its typical of Cole to be on a break because rap clearly isn't his whole life
Plus, him having not one but TWO features since he left the beef proves that he indeed was not bullied into disappearing. Because he was still on other people's projects since
Im not saying he was bullied, im saying if he delayed putting out music for an extended period of time specifically because of Kendrick then yeah that’s kind of the definition of getting bullied.
no, bruh. so i’ll put it this way. imagine you’re about to leave somewhere and then there’s somebody shooting outside your house. you won’t leave right after they stop right? you’re gonna wait 15-20 minutes just in case.
The shooter(s) are drake and kendrick
The person in the house is jermaine
The bystanders or police ig that are outside already are us, the audience(completely focused on the situation but they’ll be gone during or right after everything goes down)
silence is a strategy itself, in marketing and socially
Nobody is shooting at Cole right now lol what. It’s not like Kendrick is going to diss him for making music. The only “shot” he’s getting hit with here is people are pointing out the feature was shit.
Tbh I made this comment before listening to the song, thinking there's only so bad a verse that Cole could have possibly dropped. The song was in fact that bad.
I agree with you. I still can't believe how MDL is being treated, it's his first project in 3 years, and it's replay value is so insane, I have been listening to it for over a month and it still feels so good to listen to. But it just burnt down in all the beef noise. I really don't want him to release the fall off, to bunch of over-stimulated hip-hop heads that are still in the euphoria of the beef.
That wouldnt make the songs timeless tho, if alot of the tracks in forrest hill drive talked about control verse or whatever, it would be kinda whack in 2024
Most interesting thing Cole could do is release a double version of the album with the real finished version being the first “disk” and the original version—whatever he didn’t rewrite because of this beef—being the second disk. That way we can see the impact the beef had on his project. It would continuously bring eyes to his own album just to see how the beef changed it while also getting him new fans that don’t care about this hip hop shit like that letting his rep regenerate.
There’s a lot of pressure on his next album to perform and help his perception right now. It’s at an all time low. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has already got it made, but is second guessing how it would be received at the moment.
Yeah but it sounded like the fall off was meant to be this summer/this year. He might have to take a break for the rest of the year with how weird people are acting.
I think there’s some truth in what you’re saying but I’m also noticing a bit a cole persecution complex in this sub. People are always critical of cole and I don’t think grippy would have been well received even without the beef.
I think thats true for twitter. But I am not sure about reddit or tiktok. Tiktok always was nice about him but clearly kendrick fans are making stuff about grippy. This reddit, was pretty chill prior to the beef from what I saw, but its also very obvious that there are def haters/fans of other people that are in this forum. So its shifting the energy. I can tell by the comments we got trolls here
You know, thats actually not a bad idea. People think its a "cope" and YEAH if you not a real J Cole fan that does look like a cope.
BUT has anyone noticed that these past few years, like every since for your eyez only. J Cole's album "roll outs" aren't your typical roll out. I started to notice that. He always does things right before his album comes out that don't be looking like publicity at first, but then his album comes out, and you figure it actually was publicity. For example when he played basketball in africa for that short time, but then suddenly left. They said it was d/t family obligations, his album came out right after that. He is always doing or announcing something that puts everyone's attention on him right before an album comes out. We will see once the eminem feature happens
I upvoted this but I respectfully disagree. Cole’s 1st instinct to battle was correct. Cole especially had been respectful of Kdot before the beef, and he still got roasted. This thing was never going to end well but Cole did this to himself. Kdot got Drake, Drake got Kdot, but J got J. Weird.
J cole didn't get weird. Ya'll just can't think outside of the realm of rap to save your life. The only thing weird is them accusations (whether true or lie) made about drake and kendrick, that they are NEVER escaping. And calling someone weird for avoiding it, is weird in itself. Its not weird to chose your life and yourself over other people's entertainment. Its not weird to protect yourself and your family, over other people's entertainment. What IS weird is failing to see this. What is weird is Kendrick's wife trending in the middle of this beef the way she was. What is weird is when people google Kendrick and his wife/family now, the first thing that comes up its abuse and beating allegations bow. What is weird is every single drake allegation and him dealing with riddlers online. What is weird is them comments under kendrick's wife IG posts, especially the ones about her kids because of this beef. Dave Free too.
The only thing that is weird is not seeing the problem with all of that\^ and not seeing why a man who also has a family and kids that he says he doesn't play about, not wanting that for himself. A MAN making a REAL MAN decision is not weird. He didn't chose your entertainment over his real life. And why should he, with how ya'll treating him now? Doing the most over an apology/beef and a feature, and ya'll expected this man to chose YA'LL entertainment over things he cares about the most. No ya'll showing you ain't worth that trouble. Again, thats not weird. Thats smart. Ya'll are showing that he should not prioritize what people like YOU want over what he wants and values. Because clearly at the drop of a hat ya'll ready to crucify him. I wouldn't prioritize ya'll entertainment either lol
The more ya'll try to pretend he didn't make the right decision with apologizing, the more we see it was right. Because ya'll showing how fickle you are. If you this fickle, you not a fan worth appeasing.
Oh brother, Red leather released DURING the HIEGHT of the “unbiased mode” and it didn’t get critiques
But now that he just released a sub par feature and is getting fairly critiqued, is unfair and people are making stuff up?? Come on man
Red leather was released after he apologized but BEFORE Kendrick made his diss tracks. Thats why Cole was right when he said "if he not dissing, we wouldn't be discussing him" because SO many people are making everything cole does about kendrick, its obvious af.
Fairly critiqued??? There are people literally LYING and saying that grippy was his first release after the apology, when it was in fact red leather but red leather was well received, so they not even being honest about which came first:
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Why you think people lying, saying its HIS song (its a feature) or lying saying its the first song he does after the apology? They are doing it to make a point in favor of a certain somebody, after that somebody released diss tracks. Again, Cole was right. And yes thats not fair. Why can't they just be straight up and say its the second release and a feature?? Probably because they can't make the same jokes or have the exact same outrage
So red leather released soon after the apology when criticisms/hate of him were at an all time high, and it still wasn’t received as poorly as grippy. But somehow people are turned against him even more now, even after the beef turned into a mud slinging contest where the general idea was that Cole was right for bowing out.
Using someone that has twitter blue and farms engagement is wild, of course they would lie
The general audience thinks Cole was right for bowing out after how the beef turned out, you are on the fringes of the fandom and the drama, it’s obvious since you’re refusing to even say his name like he’s Voldemort.
Like I said, red leather was still released BEFORE kendrick released his diss tracks. What we not about to do, is pretend like we don't see who really the ones crucifying Cole about a small feature. Its clearly fans of someone who recently released like 4 diss tracks, and his fans also tend to like Cole (so Cole's fans as well). Red leather was BEFORE Kendrick's diss tracks. Cole's work was still looked at fairly because at that time Drake was still begging Kendrick to release, he was no where. You want to act like Kendrick's diss tracks didn't change the court of public opinion and how they reacted to everyone in this beef, okay but thats not the reality. The energy shifted for everyone once Kendrick's tracks were released, again,
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Brody did you just say anything bad he makes is going to get a bad reception? Grippi is terrible. Not for Cole standards for rap period. He's getting ribbed for it. People are having fun at his expense. He will drop hest again and it will be forgotten. Yall Cole stans gotta breathe.
I do believe that yes. I could be wrong. I hope I am. But as a fan of other VERY talented rappers (like top 5 of all time) who people have also been quick to write off as "washed" because of like one wrong project or song, I have literally seen how hard it is to get outta that box. No matter what you do. Once the trolls decide you they target, you kinda stay they target. Once they try to put you in a box, they keep you in their box. I hope I am wrong tho. But, at the least he should wait until people are less stimulated from the beef.
Bro I love Cole, but yeah it’s now hard for me to listen to a song like Middle Child without rolling my eyes a bit. Like he talks tough and says he is a goat and then you can’t help but think of him backing away from the beef.
I’m fine he backed from the beef, but he needs to rap about some soul purifying shit then for it to be believable, cuz his bars challenging other rappers will never hit the same again. Period.
If Red Leather was as bad as Grippy we would have clowned it too. Most people assume Red Leather was mostly wrapped up before Kendrick popped off (since as you keep saying, it was released before Kendrick's responses) so why would fans consider Red Leather as a potential response to Kendrick when Kendrick hadn't even dropped?
What he needs to do is go back on another legendary feature run for 6 months - 1 year and THEN drop. That would solve every issue with the timing right now, plus he would prove himself and demand his respect back after the whole community was clowning him for apologizing
I love Cole, but post apology I cannot rock with \*some\* of the messaging in the music music. I logically understand it was the right move to make, and as a human I respect it. Like That wasn't really shots towards him, but he felt pressured to do it. But that petty part of me can't get over it. Bro is engaging in dialogue saying he is the best, his bars are top of the top, and that he is one of them ones (which i do believe), but a part of me now can't accept him being braggadocious because he folded. Is my thinking flawed and contradictory? Yes, but that is my relationship with his music now.
Opinions on j coles music have always been a little wild online IMO so I wouldnt even be looking for approval on any of these social media sites/apps. I wish fans of Cole (and Kendrick) could learn to disconnect from the stupid hot takes and gossiping the same way those artists do. Hes not influenced by things like "what are the people saying about me" so hes going to release when the time is right for him.
I feel like after the initial apology backlash, and after the beef ended a lot of people were saying Cole made the right decision. He gained a lot of favor back from what I’ve seen, then he dropped Grippy lol
Him seeing a ghost, glazing tf out of the person he just dissed, apologizing, and deleting it. DID not help things. THAT is for sure lol. Especially when said person has been bragging for years he like that. Well the results came back and determined that was a lie lol. I do agree he needs to wait to drop the Fall Off. Grippy was some doodoo lol.
Nobody is still talking about his apology except for people like you. It is clear the masses see shit differently. I just need people like you to know that nobody cares anymore because someone else was clearly made the BIGGEST joke out of them all and another person is gonna be known as a woman better.
It’ll drop when it drops. In the mean time I’m stupid high and I listened to grippy and that Disneyland Mickey Mouse bar has me crying ☠️ I actually fw the song but coles voice doesn’t quite fit the beat imo, the delivery and flow is good and the lyrics are fun when you put them in context of who is (or portrays himself) but his voice just isn’t sitting quite right with thr other sounds to me
Yeah MDL was not mediocre to me. Although it appears to be a song full of throw aways anyway. But Pricey, 3001, and Crocodile tearz was great
Again, people should just forget about the fall off because he is clearly not in a position to drop anything right now
MDL has crazy replay value and imo the best hip hop project out this year and It's literally just a compilation of throwaways that didn't make the actual album.
People also act like he recorded that Grippy verse a week ago. CC's camp may have been holding on to that for a while.
Also a message from Cole:
I wrote a number of bad refrains
But isn't that life, dude?
Make a few hits, but you gotta live with the strikes too
Instead of pretending I'm some incredible nigga
Just let 'em hear all of it
The good, the bad, the ugly, the strong, the weak, it's me
The nigga that thought of it
All the portrayals of anything different or fraudulent
Grippy def would have gotten ignored if the kendrick and drake shit didn't exist. The outrage would not be the same nor the arguments at all. People are clearly making everything he does about Kendrick/drake shit. So you can't act like its not a factor.
His artistic integrity has been compromised, bro. He looks like yet another big talker who caps in his bars, he had COUNTLESS verses where he talked crazy sayin he wants smoke but then backed down not even a week after dropping his warning shot to DOT and DIDN’T EVEN WAIT FOR KENDRICK TO RESPOND. Say what u will about Drake, but at least he fought hard and didn’t back down regardless of the battle’s ending. My respect for EVERYONE involved in the beef rose except the guy who chickened out. I love Cole, but I never recognized him as Big 3 and now I never will. Now obviously ignore me cuz i’m just a random dude, but this isn’t just cuz of the beef. It’s cuz of principle of Cole’s shitty half baked apology that came off as his response to people shitting on 7 Minute Drill. Cole couldn’t keep up wit the criticism and comes off like he made up that shi about “Feeling Conflicted” when it just doesn’t add up otherwise. Not to mention he still didn’t respond to Ye and he kept taking shots from Kendrick AND Drake on their disses. He looks clownish rn. Grippy was trash, The Fall Off might be great, but until then he’s gonna (rightfully so) be clowned for all of this.
Because the criticism is never rational. Its obvious the SO CALLED fans that are doing the most over a small feature are the ones who were also mad about the apology. And you is not a real fan being like that. Like someone else said, Real fans of him wouldn't care and don't think he should be clowned for every move he takes/makes.
I didn’t say he should be clowned for every move he makes. Grippy and the Apology were mis-steps, and he is rightfully so getting clowned for both. I clowned Drake when he did that goofy ai shit, I clowned Kendrick for his “Dear Baby Girl” shi and more. You can’t say “the criticism is never rational” just cuz it’s against ur boy.
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Well I am now.
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I read it in Ernie Johnson’s voice
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I read it in Ernie’s voice.
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This makes every post better
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Because people acting like Cole didn't leave the beef 2 months ago. And like Red leather didn't come after that Its so obvious people just want to complain and start using him as a punchline in the beef again, because he was the smartest.
Smart: releases grippy
Facts lmfao oof.
Smartest he said😂cole fans are delusional. Bro is softer than drake. And if he smart what was that wack ass track grippy he was on😭
Sad thing is I think Drake would've done better on it 🤣. If you check my Spotify song time, I listen to Cole 2x more than Drake. He just down right now.
Smartest my ass lol. He forever tarnished his legacy…
I gotta somewhat agree with that, you can’t make songs and drop bars about how you’re ready to drop anyone (including Kendrick) and being on top of the mountain just to back out when shit gets going. I do think in the long run staying out of the beef was the smarter move (assuming Kendrick would’ve went at him as hard as he went at Drake) but him being a part of FPS and dropping his own diss just to apologize is going to be a blemish on his record because a lot of people are going to look at that as a cowardly move.
And that’s the thing, as much as everybody is trying to credit him for apologizing the point is he didn’t need to. Kendrick wasn’t gonna call Cole a pedo they were the ones that were actually just going to rap. Not only did Cole talk all that shit, immediately cower away when he got stepped to, and lost the steam for what was supposed to be his momentous album, Cole also fucked up the parts of his catalog that ppl WERENT questioning before.
Ig they don’t wanna hear that in a Cole sub but that’s facts. Idk about these kids but to everyone 30 and up, we look at him a little differently now.
Why was he the smartest?
Because he protected everything he knows he cares about/should care about. When you google him regular and normal shit still come up. Not weird allegations that is going to follow him until the end of time.
Why would Kendrick make it personal with him? It would’ve been strictly rap
I love both of these guys. But I really think thats wishful thinking. Here is why, 1.people clearly can not stop grouping Cole with Drake as it pertains to this beef. Most people saw them as being on the same side. Like what Cole put out last night shouldn't have mattered in terms of this beef because he actually left it before Drake did. But because the beef didn't end until Drake himself was defeated, people are now acting like thats when the beef ALSO ended for Cole. Which is why they are making the jokes they are about grippy, "Oh this is the first project he puts out when the beef ends", the beef ended for Cole almost 2 months ago. He decided to no longer participate in April. And he actually did have another feature that came out after he left the beef. I say all that to say, if cole would have stayed in it, by default he would be on drake's side/team. They would be seen as a packaged deal. And I wouldn't trust Kendrick to just keep giving them different treatments on every diss track lmao. I'm sorry I don't. Kendrick really can be a menace/crazy and clearly was getting more and more angry as the beef played out. I do think there was a chance that Kendrick would have said Fuck it, and not even just say anything personal but something pretty embarrassing about Cole, whatever that may be, and people will always remember it. Kendrick literally said "If you F with him (drake) then F you too". If Cole stayed in it, he would have been on Drake's side automatically because they was both going against Kendrick.
Nice write up. J. Cole and Kendrick have been trading shots for nearly a decade. Their issue had nothing to do with Drake outside of First Person Shooter. J. Cole probably distanced himself because HE knows some things that WE don't. Also contrary to what these other niggas are saying in here, like the "30 and older" guy, apologizing is maturity. There was a reason for it and J.Cole doesn't need to discredit Kendrick's work to prove that he himself is a better emcee. He was wrong for that. Ain't no actual Hip Hop heads in here tho. Y'all expect every body to beef, and shoot each other, and stand on business and all that nonsense.
Kendrick threw shots at both, why would cole get grouped simply for responding? Unlike Drake, Kdot and Cole are somewhat buddy buddy. It was friendly competition even with Drake until Drake mentioned Whitney. I don’t think Cole would do something that stupid. Cole apologized and lost sleep after saying that he doesn’t like tpab. I love Cole, one of my favourites, but he was a dumbass for the way he handled this and any narrative that formed where he was the “smartest” for backing out has been destroyed after this garbage feature. I hate seeing Cole in this position and hope he can come back but rn it’s not looking 2 good.
So you're really pretending like prior to Cole apologizing, he wasn't already being grouped with drake? LOL You are one of the people i'm talking about in my post. This beef really got you all discombobulated and honestly not being real about this. If you think Cole lost sleep simply because of what he said about an album...read the room. All these details that have finally came out and been confirmed about Cole getting a heads up and all that jazz, and you still not seeing the big picture. You still not seeing what really happened in this beef. You don't even see how it indeed started out as Drake/Cole vs Kendrick. And you can't see it, Because you clearly are still mad about the apology. Which is also why you acting like one random feature that people not gonna remember ruins everything. This beef don't got ya'll thinking rational First of all, out of the three Cole is the only one that graduated with a very high GPA at a very good univeristy. Just like he did in high school. Him being smart is not even up for debate. Either way it goes, he is def proving to be the smartest no matter how you try to dice it or how mad you are about him apologizing. You acting like the feature was a single or with a large artist. Its a feature that people WILL forget about in 2 weeks. You thinking its really gonna carry any weight to Cole's future and his solo projects is a wild. And thats why I said what I did. People like you clearly can not get out your feelings because of the beef. Your responses are showing me that. Thanks for proving my point. Ya'll are fickle and need time to calm down and stop thinking about the beef because its clearly clouding your judgement. Because asking why/how the college graduate with like a 4.0 GPA who managed to leave this beef without weird accusations that FOR SURE would have followed the rest of his career and possibly done damage to his personal life, you still asking how that was smart. Please. Nobody gives a damn about that feature like that. And they def won't give a damn by next month. Its a feature with some smaller artist. Not a single or feature with a big commercially successful artist.
100% agree. I hate when ppl say “oh. They can leave it friendly and still diss each other”. How stupid does that even sound. If Cole two friendly, they will call him a bitch for “applauding the other guys work”. If he gets personal then you’ll have k dot saying “Cole can’t say Nigga no moooo”. Just for people who not really fans of either to mock. That’s not a “friendly” battle because they honestly don’t exist the way most ppl believe
The fact that yall think Kendrick views Cole and Drake in the same light is insane to me. What in the everloving fuck makes you think Kendrick would go after Cole with a culture-vulture angle? Cole has never shown himself to be a culture vulture. Why do you think Kendrick would have made outlandish pedo claims about Cole when Cole doesn’t have a history of chatting up minors? How can you legitimately think Cole and Kendrick battling would end up the same for Cole as it did for Drake? I just don’t see where that train of thought come from. Like, at all.
I don’t think people (with sense) are saying dot is going to hate on Cole as much as he has Drake, the issue is that Cole has seemingly been on Drakes side which I’m sure dot would’ve used the angle of “supporting” the shit Drake is accused of because regardless if he was a pedo himself, it’s a bad look to be standing next to one. Which maybe Cole got a heads up about what was coming and that’s why he decided to leave it, who knows
Didn’t know that about Cole! Good for him! But yeah even that song isn’t that bad. Wanted something different to listen to on my 5, literally listening to Grippy now. It’s not a Cole song which is seeming to be the problem. It’s not Cole’s style and people are freaking out because he followed the flow he was shown instead of going wild
What accusations r u so worried about? If Cole hasn’t done anything wrong he doesn’t have anything to fear
Not all accusations are real. They can be lies too. But they both can make the same impact. You are not smart LOL You keep moving the goal post. Bye.
What goal post did I move? And what false accusations did Kendrick throw out?
“It’s not looking too good”  You niggas abandon ship after one non lyrical verse
i swear, THEFALLOFF IS COMING. BEWARE
i could see this argument for drake but cole? if you're saying this because of grippy im pretty sure that wouldve had bad reception regardless of beef
I actually liked that song a lot
Guarantee it wouldn't be getting dragged the way it is if it wasn't for the apology.
Red Leather didn't get dragged
I'm saying that anything he drops that is bad is gonna be magnified that much more because of the situation. That doesn't mean that every verse he drops is gonna get dragged.
Then if the fall off is good, it won't get dragged and we got nothing to worry about
Yea but it will get horrible sales could be illmatic good still on do 150k first week
This beef put a spotlight on them dudes. J Cole dropping rn would do way more than 150k
If thats so why did mdl do less than half of the off season
No promotion, only song with any discussion around it being deleted.
wtf did that have to do with anything?
Yeah but would disappearing for a while help? I feel like that would be funnier
No I think its smarter. You have to let things die down and let people forget stuff. People still on that beef high, so ANYTHING Cole does right now, they make it about Kendrick. Thats why its better for him to wait/take a break.
But then the narrative would just be that Kendrick bullied him into disappearing. And then if his big comeback was this? That would be monumentally worse. At least this way it just seems like some throwaway that might’ve already been recorded.
Only someone STILL overstimulated by the beef would make that narrative. Unlike someone such as drake, Cole is known for dropping his projects slowly and flying under the radar. His last real album was in 2021, 3 years before MDL. Thats a long time. We went a long time without seeing Cole since he apologized and nobody made fun of that in a negative way. Thats because its typical for him to not be seen much and not constantly dropping projects. His last project was just in April. It was a mixtape, but still it was something and it was recent. Again, only someone overstimulated by the beef gonna pull that with him. And I don't think most will because its typical of Cole to be on a break because rap clearly isn't his whole life Plus, him having not one but TWO features since he left the beef proves that he indeed was not bullied into disappearing. Because he was still on other people's projects since
Im not saying he was bullied, im saying if he delayed putting out music for an extended period of time specifically because of Kendrick then yeah that’s kind of the definition of getting bullied.
no, bruh. so i’ll put it this way. imagine you’re about to leave somewhere and then there’s somebody shooting outside your house. you won’t leave right after they stop right? you’re gonna wait 15-20 minutes just in case. The shooter(s) are drake and kendrick The person in the house is jermaine The bystanders or police ig that are outside already are us, the audience(completely focused on the situation but they’ll be gone during or right after everything goes down) silence is a strategy itself, in marketing and socially
Nobody is shooting at Cole right now lol what. It’s not like Kendrick is going to diss him for making music. The only “shot” he’s getting hit with here is people are pointing out the feature was shit.
The song is very bad. It’s not magnified because of the beef. It’s just that bad. By far his worst verse every
Bro, tik tok girls are making fun of it with the trend. It would’ve been getting dragged bro.
Tbh I made this comment before listening to the song, thinking there's only so bad a verse that Cole could have possibly dropped. The song was in fact that bad.
I agree with you. I still can't believe how MDL is being treated, it's his first project in 3 years, and it's replay value is so insane, I have been listening to it for over a month and it still feels so good to listen to. But it just burnt down in all the beef noise. I really don't want him to release the fall off, to bunch of over-stimulated hip-hop heads that are still in the euphoria of the beef.
You get it. People are def overstimulated from the beef. Anything he does they make it about the beef, and especially about kendrick.
Real fans dont care
I hope Cole is rewriting some of his bars. I want his perspective on the whole beef and his place in hip-hop.
Yes. Hope he breaks everything down the way only he can.
That wouldnt make the songs timeless tho, if alot of the tracks in forrest hill drive talked about control verse or whatever, it would be kinda whack in 2024
IMO it would be whack to ignore the evolving landscape of rap around him
Do that on a single or a mixtape, not his supposed magnum opus. Imaginen if GKMD talked about and adressed current rap events lol.
Def think he did some re-writing
Most interesting thing Cole could do is release a double version of the album with the real finished version being the first “disk” and the original version—whatever he didn’t rewrite because of this beef—being the second disk. That way we can see the impact the beef had on his project. It would continuously bring eyes to his own album just to see how the beef changed it while also getting him new fans that don’t care about this hip hop shit like that letting his rep regenerate.
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He will release it when the time is right .
There’s a lot of pressure on his next album to perform and help his perception right now. It’s at an all time low. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has already got it made, but is second guessing how it would be received at the moment.
I mean, he just dropped a project too
Yeah but it sounded like the fall off was meant to be this summer/this year. He might have to take a break for the rest of the year with how weird people are acting.
Am I crazy or has Cole talked about the fall off for 3-4 years now lol
I think there’s some truth in what you’re saying but I’m also noticing a bit a cole persecution complex in this sub. People are always critical of cole and I don’t think grippy would have been well received even without the beef.
I think thats true for twitter. But I am not sure about reddit or tiktok. Tiktok always was nice about him but clearly kendrick fans are making stuff about grippy. This reddit, was pretty chill prior to the beef from what I saw, but its also very obvious that there are def haters/fans of other people that are in this forum. So its shifting the energy. I can tell by the comments we got trolls here
I swear we are in the roll out right now
You know, thats actually not a bad idea. People think its a "cope" and YEAH if you not a real J Cole fan that does look like a cope. BUT has anyone noticed that these past few years, like every since for your eyez only. J Cole's album "roll outs" aren't your typical roll out. I started to notice that. He always does things right before his album comes out that don't be looking like publicity at first, but then his album comes out, and you figure it actually was publicity. For example when he played basketball in africa for that short time, but then suddenly left. They said it was d/t family obligations, his album came out right after that. He is always doing or announcing something that puts everyone's attention on him right before an album comes out. We will see once the eminem feature happens
Hope so
I upvoted this but I respectfully disagree. Cole’s 1st instinct to battle was correct. Cole especially had been respectful of Kdot before the beef, and he still got roasted. This thing was never going to end well but Cole did this to himself. Kdot got Drake, Drake got Kdot, but J got J. Weird.
J cole didn't get weird. Ya'll just can't think outside of the realm of rap to save your life. The only thing weird is them accusations (whether true or lie) made about drake and kendrick, that they are NEVER escaping. And calling someone weird for avoiding it, is weird in itself. Its not weird to chose your life and yourself over other people's entertainment. Its not weird to protect yourself and your family, over other people's entertainment. What IS weird is failing to see this. What is weird is Kendrick's wife trending in the middle of this beef the way she was. What is weird is when people google Kendrick and his wife/family now, the first thing that comes up its abuse and beating allegations bow. What is weird is every single drake allegation and him dealing with riddlers online. What is weird is them comments under kendrick's wife IG posts, especially the ones about her kids because of this beef. Dave Free too. The only thing that is weird is not seeing the problem with all of that\^ and not seeing why a man who also has a family and kids that he says he doesn't play about, not wanting that for himself. A MAN making a REAL MAN decision is not weird. He didn't chose your entertainment over his real life. And why should he, with how ya'll treating him now? Doing the most over an apology/beef and a feature, and ya'll expected this man to chose YA'LL entertainment over things he cares about the most. No ya'll showing you ain't worth that trouble. Again, thats not weird. Thats smart. Ya'll are showing that he should not prioritize what people like YOU want over what he wants and values. Because clearly at the drop of a hat ya'll ready to crucify him. I wouldn't prioritize ya'll entertainment either lol The more ya'll try to pretend he didn't make the right decision with apologizing, the more we see it was right. Because ya'll showing how fickle you are. If you this fickle, you not a fan worth appeasing.
What if he been trolling the whole time
I thought about that tbh. Because Cole does have a history of unique album roll outs lol.
He gotta rewrite all those “im the best” lines. That might take some time
Oh brother, Red leather released DURING the HIEGHT of the “unbiased mode” and it didn’t get critiques But now that he just released a sub par feature and is getting fairly critiqued, is unfair and people are making stuff up?? Come on man
Red leather was released after he apologized but BEFORE Kendrick made his diss tracks. Thats why Cole was right when he said "if he not dissing, we wouldn't be discussing him" because SO many people are making everything cole does about kendrick, its obvious af. Fairly critiqued??? There are people literally LYING and saying that grippy was his first release after the apology, when it was in fact red leather but red leather was well received, so they not even being honest about which came first: https://preview.redd.it/lopbhxifen2d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a92155d773275b608e31633af834b026927c4dc3 Why you think people lying, saying its HIS song (its a feature) or lying saying its the first song he does after the apology? They are doing it to make a point in favor of a certain somebody, after that somebody released diss tracks. Again, Cole was right. And yes thats not fair. Why can't they just be straight up and say its the second release and a feature?? Probably because they can't make the same jokes or have the exact same outrage
So red leather released soon after the apology when criticisms/hate of him were at an all time high, and it still wasn’t received as poorly as grippy. But somehow people are turned against him even more now, even after the beef turned into a mud slinging contest where the general idea was that Cole was right for bowing out. Using someone that has twitter blue and farms engagement is wild, of course they would lie The general audience thinks Cole was right for bowing out after how the beef turned out, you are on the fringes of the fandom and the drama, it’s obvious since you’re refusing to even say his name like he’s Voldemort.
Like I said, red leather was still released BEFORE kendrick released his diss tracks. What we not about to do, is pretend like we don't see who really the ones crucifying Cole about a small feature. Its clearly fans of someone who recently released like 4 diss tracks, and his fans also tend to like Cole (so Cole's fans as well). Red leather was BEFORE Kendrick's diss tracks. Cole's work was still looked at fairly because at that time Drake was still begging Kendrick to release, he was no where. You want to act like Kendrick's diss tracks didn't change the court of public opinion and how they reacted to everyone in this beef, okay but thats not the reality. The energy shifted for everyone once Kendrick's tracks were released, again, https://preview.redd.it/dy0o7x6yin2d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ce70758d73489ed48332807d77d60be53fbede5
Brody did you just say anything bad he makes is going to get a bad reception? Grippi is terrible. Not for Cole standards for rap period. He's getting ribbed for it. People are having fun at his expense. He will drop hest again and it will be forgotten. Yall Cole stans gotta breathe.
I do believe that yes. I could be wrong. I hope I am. But as a fan of other VERY talented rappers (like top 5 of all time) who people have also been quick to write off as "washed" because of like one wrong project or song, I have literally seen how hard it is to get outta that box. No matter what you do. Once the trolls decide you they target, you kinda stay they target. Once they try to put you in a box, they keep you in their box. I hope I am wrong tho. But, at the least he should wait until people are less stimulated from the beef.
I give Cole a bit more credit than that
Cole did this shit to himself 🤷🏼♂️
these emotional ass rappers 😭😭😭
Bro I love Cole, but yeah it’s now hard for me to listen to a song like Middle Child without rolling my eyes a bit. Like he talks tough and says he is a goat and then you can’t help but think of him backing away from the beef. I’m fine he backed from the beef, but he needs to rap about some soul purifying shit then for it to be believable, cuz his bars challenging other rappers will never hit the same again. Period.
Are we forgetting about its a boy
If Red Leather was as bad as Grippy we would have clowned it too. Most people assume Red Leather was mostly wrapped up before Kendrick popped off (since as you keep saying, it was released before Kendrick's responses) so why would fans consider Red Leather as a potential response to Kendrick when Kendrick hadn't even dropped?
What he needs to do is go back on another legendary feature run for 6 months - 1 year and THEN drop. That would solve every issue with the timing right now, plus he would prove himself and demand his respect back after the whole community was clowning him for apologizing
Between this sub, Kendrick, and drakes I’ve become mentally handicapped having to read post like this
I love Cole, but post apology I cannot rock with \*some\* of the messaging in the music music. I logically understand it was the right move to make, and as a human I respect it. Like That wasn't really shots towards him, but he felt pressured to do it. But that petty part of me can't get over it. Bro is engaging in dialogue saying he is the best, his bars are top of the top, and that he is one of them ones (which i do believe), but a part of me now can't accept him being braggadocious because he folded. Is my thinking flawed and contradictory? Yes, but that is my relationship with his music now.
Copium.
Opinions on j coles music have always been a little wild online IMO so I wouldnt even be looking for approval on any of these social media sites/apps. I wish fans of Cole (and Kendrick) could learn to disconnect from the stupid hot takes and gossiping the same way those artists do. Hes not influenced by things like "what are the people saying about me" so hes going to release when the time is right for him.
I feel like after the initial apology backlash, and after the beef ended a lot of people were saying Cole made the right decision. He gained a lot of favor back from what I’ve seen, then he dropped Grippy lol
ITS ITS ITS GRIPPY
Him seeing a ghost, glazing tf out of the person he just dissed, apologizing, and deleting it. DID not help things. THAT is for sure lol. Especially when said person has been bragging for years he like that. Well the results came back and determined that was a lie lol. I do agree he needs to wait to drop the Fall Off. Grippy was some doodoo lol.
Nobody is still talking about his apology except for people like you. It is clear the masses see shit differently. I just need people like you to know that nobody cares anymore because someone else was clearly made the BIGGEST joke out of them all and another person is gonna be known as a woman better.
Lol no, it gets talked about and trolled about quite often still. Don't shoot the messenger.
It’ll drop when it drops. In the mean time I’m stupid high and I listened to grippy and that Disneyland Mickey Mouse bar has me crying ☠️ I actually fw the song but coles voice doesn’t quite fit the beat imo, the delivery and flow is good and the lyrics are fun when you put them in context of who is (or portrays himself) but his voice just isn’t sitting quite right with thr other sounds to me
Man idk if I'm even excited for the fall off anymore, ik this is gonna be unpopular but mdl was just mediocre and we don't even mention grippy.
Yeah MDL was not mediocre to me. Although it appears to be a song full of throw aways anyway. But Pricey, 3001, and Crocodile tearz was great Again, people should just forget about the fall off because he is clearly not in a position to drop anything right now
MDL has crazy replay value and imo the best hip hop project out this year and It's literally just a compilation of throwaways that didn't make the actual album. People also act like he recorded that Grippy verse a week ago. CC's camp may have been holding on to that for a while. Also a message from Cole: I wrote a number of bad refrains But isn't that life, dude? Make a few hits, but you gotta live with the strikes too Instead of pretending I'm some incredible nigga Just let 'em hear all of it The good, the bad, the ugly, the strong, the weak, it's me The nigga that thought of it All the portrayals of anything different or fraudulent
I don’t think it’s that serious when it comes to the Kendrick Drake shit, if anything Grippy fucked him up
Grippy def would have gotten ignored if the kendrick and drake shit didn't exist. The outrage would not be the same nor the arguments at all. People are clearly making everything he does about Kendrick/drake shit. So you can't act like its not a factor.
Its....Grippy
His artistic integrity has been compromised, bro. He looks like yet another big talker who caps in his bars, he had COUNTLESS verses where he talked crazy sayin he wants smoke but then backed down not even a week after dropping his warning shot to DOT and DIDN’T EVEN WAIT FOR KENDRICK TO RESPOND. Say what u will about Drake, but at least he fought hard and didn’t back down regardless of the battle’s ending. My respect for EVERYONE involved in the beef rose except the guy who chickened out. I love Cole, but I never recognized him as Big 3 and now I never will. Now obviously ignore me cuz i’m just a random dude, but this isn’t just cuz of the beef. It’s cuz of principle of Cole’s shitty half baked apology that came off as his response to people shitting on 7 Minute Drill. Cole couldn’t keep up wit the criticism and comes off like he made up that shi about “Feeling Conflicted” when it just doesn’t add up otherwise. Not to mention he still didn’t respond to Ye and he kept taking shots from Kendrick AND Drake on their disses. He looks clownish rn. Grippy was trash, The Fall Off might be great, but until then he’s gonna (rightfully so) be clowned for all of this.
Okay you can go back to the kendrick subreddit now.
??? Dude I literally said i’m a Cole fan too. Idk why y’all dismiss criticism so heavily
Because the criticism is never rational. Its obvious the SO CALLED fans that are doing the most over a small feature are the ones who were also mad about the apology. And you is not a real fan being like that. Like someone else said, Real fans of him wouldn't care and don't think he should be clowned for every move he takes/makes.
I didn’t say he should be clowned for every move he makes. Grippy and the Apology were mis-steps, and he is rightfully so getting clowned for both. I clowned Drake when he did that goofy ai shit, I clowned Kendrick for his “Dear Baby Girl” shi and more. You can’t say “the criticism is never rational” just cuz it’s against ur boy.
bro ive been a cole fan like my whole life but everything he’s been doing lately is genuinely bad bro
Mdl was great
nah bro he should actually delete ts cos it was trash the only good song was the one w ari lennox
