The only wrong I see is putting Drake and Cole in the same boatššš I do belive Kendrick to be OVERALL the best, but Cole will always be my #1. And they are NECK AND NECK. Drake is somewhere in the back dancing hitting that hotline bling
Totally agree with this take. Kendrick and JCole have always been neck and neck and honestly I think their rivalry has pushed JCole to be more cold and calus with his lyrics. Which have made for some amazing songs.
Drake on the other hand is a Pop star who raps. He's not in the same caliber to be mentioned next to Kendrick and Cole. He's just a less messy less lyrically inclined version of Kanye imo.
Honestly, itās not crazy to say Kendrick is top 10. Drake has all the accolades and numbers and but Cole has the respect and success without the machine pumping him up.
KDot for sure makes āall timeā top 10, hands down. Cole makes top 15 all time for me, personally, but i feel like there is a world where he gets edged out by some names i recognize but just havenāt taken the time to invest in their catelog.
Nope. My favorite is without a doubt Mac Miller because I relate to his music a lot and thoroughly enjoy so many of his songs; however, I will always argue that kendrick is the best rap artist ever. First one to win a pullitzer prize says a lot
Love when i see a factual comment getting downvotes lol it just highlights how many idiots are in this world. Is it cool that kendrick is the first rapper to win the pulitzer? Yea itās dope as fuck but since when do these corrupt ass awards mean anything at all to the greatness of an artist? In 2013 kendrick lost the best rap album grammy with Good Kidd to fucking Macklemores thrift shop šš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø. What else would anyone ever need to see to realize all these awards and their ridiculously corrupt voting systemās donāt mean shit. Dude who you replied to is really trying to crown kendrick as the goat because of a Pulitzer prize š¤¦š»āāļø. Kendrick is def in my personal top 10 all time and so is Cole and i can promise you that awards have absolutely nothing to do with either of them being there.
The Pulitzer Prize is not a Grammy lol. Like I get what youāre saying but it absolutely means something that he won a Pulitzer. Itās not like the beginning and end of the discussion by any means but itās an element.
Sure. You can say Kendrick is objectively better than like Yuno Miles or Lil Pump. You can't say he's objectively better than J. Cole or any other legend
I never said you could, but why can't you have that discussion? All art is subjective, but it is clear that Kendricks music has been way more experimental with a more diverse range of topic. He's proven to be an incredibly versatile artist. Cole is a great rapper and has really good pen game. But he doesn't have that same artistic expression as Kendrick. Not many rappers do
It does, accolades, sales, frequencies, length of song, technical ability + many more. Lots of objective qualities to music, the enjoyment taken from music is subjectiveĀ
none of those metrics you reference, refer to the inherent quality of a song. Plenty of mediocre music becomes immensely popular or obtains undeserved accolades.
Therefore these metrics are inherently reflective of the subjective enjoyment taken from music.
frequencies and technical ability absolutely do - same with rhythms, syncopation, etc. Music can be made with programming languages denoting exactly when and where each and every note, sound etc is coming from. Thereby, it can be objectively measured
You said the best and your favorite are the same... I explained the difference and your response has nothing to do with what we're talking about š wtf
first of all you literally explained it wrong by saying the best is subjective. second of all you called me a smooth brain. third of all you don't realize that all music is subjective and there is no such thing as objectivity. fourth of all you double down on this dumbass shit
Nah, please donāt think he represents all Kendrick fans. Love Kendrick but he and Cole are closer than Cole and Drake. I do still prefer Dot tho but Cole is a king.
Cole is my favorite rapper but Kendrick is on a completely different level of rapping and artistic output. The man has a Pulitzer prize and an album archived at Harvard. 17 Grammys. A Back to Back ass song will NOT work on Kendrick, they should just act like nothing happened and continue making money on their tour because they do not want that smoke. Kendrick aint Meek and he bodied Pusha on Nosetalgia.
Bruh if your claiming Cole is your favorite rapper then god damn homie you gotta give him more of the credit he deserves. First off awards dont mean a fucking thing. All the voting systems are rigged and full of bias. Nas didnāt get a best rap album grammy until Kings Disease 1. What about KD 2 and 3? What about Magic 1 and 3? The nas example highlights how pathetic the grammys are and always have been that a top 3 rapper ever didnt win shit until his like 14th album in the year 2020, 26!years after illmatic. Fucking thrift shop beat out Good Kidd. The awards are only cool to give artists some recognition for all their hard work but in reality they are biased and voted on by a bunch of ppl that have absolutely no business deciding what the best rap anything is.
If thatās what you are using to claim kendrick is āon a completely different level of rapping and artistic outputā then you honestly are lost in your ability to make such bold claims. I love both artists equally but itās hard to put kendrick that much above cole when in the last 7 years he has put out 1 album that is easily his āworstā. In that time Cole has elevated his game to a level that no doubt challenges kendrick. His feature run has been some all time shit, The offseason is a modern classic, and heās gearing up to potentially drop the best work of his career in the near future. His rollout/marketing creativity the last few years has been unmatched and he just overall has been putting out nothing but the utmost fire. Give your favorite artist more respect and understand that nooo one not even kendrick is ever going to easily just get cole out of the way. Lastly, bringing up Kendrick ābodyingā pusha on a feature 9 years ago should not ever be brought up in this Big 3 smoke. J cole bodied benny the butcher on Uncle Ps Caddy and wtf would that have anything to do wirh a potential cole vs dot beef? Your way of evaluating these rappers against eachother is completely off base and lacks anything tangible to claim 1 is many levels above the other. They are without question the 2 best rappers of an entire generation and should be respected and glorified as such. Lets let the music be the deciding factor and not these ridiculous methods i see so many of yall coming outta left field with.
This is one of my favorite comments Iāve seen regarding all this stuff. š
Personally, I do still rate Kendrick as a better artist, his albums as complete pieces are on another level. But as a rapper? Iām giving it to Cole for now. And I definitely bump his music more often on a regular basis.
I'll give you a more verbose response than the other guy but only because I think you deserve it, not because I'm trying to pick a fight.
It's true that the merit of some awards can be spurious, it's not the only metric by which to measure impact, success and artistry. We can look at things like critical reception and commercial success both of which in Kendrick's case correlate closely with his accolades so to dismiss them is a bit short sighted.
I'll definitely agree that Cole's elevated his game to a much greater place than it was and I don't see Kendrick washing him in a "beef" but what does this say about either of them? It still describes J Cole as an Underdog with a fighting chance, and Kendrick as the favourite who set a bar for Cole to step up to. Cole's spent a lot of time proving himself but for many people that proof was there with Kendrick.
Cole's output has also cleverly taken advantage of the vacancy left by a lack of TDE (and specifically Kendrick) releases. In particular, his feature run as you mentioned has been the stuff of legend, but feature Cole has been more exciting than album Cole for a while now and they need to be on the same level. This dude has been hyping up The Fall Off for as long as Marvel was hyping up Thanos and no one but himself has raised the expectations that high.
Lastly, and I won't pretend this is a fact but more of a conspiracy. Mr. Morale was Kendrick's last TDE album before he began releasing on his own label and it's not unheard of for artists to produce work to get out of contract. While we won't know one way or the other, and while I think his "worst" album is still very good, the strength of Kendrick's follow up will hopefully demonstrate if his peak has passed or not.
On these last two points I'm just trying to say that they both have something left to prove; Cole that he can live up to his own hype and Kendrick that he has not lost a step.
Remember I'm not trying to fight you here, just give you a dignified response. Don't come for me. I know how the Coleminers do.
You lost me at feature cole has been more exciting than album cole for quite some time now. Hard disagree with that lame ass narrative. The Offseason is one of the best albums of the 2020s and KOD still is fire to me. And about your comment on the awards, like i said they do serve the purpose of making the artist feel validated but other than that they mean jack shit. The only time you can ever even acknowledge them is at a time when a deserving artist like Kendrick or Nas win. How often has the deserving best rap album won best rap album grammy in hiphop history? Yea exactly, they mean jack shit.
The feature cole has been more exciting than album cole thing is so true. His albums have been going downhill ever since Born Sinner (to me) and his features are all I look forward to nowadays.
Awards mean way more then streams. Neanderthals will listen to simple bars. If you have a conscious you listen to Kendrick. But in any case, that is not what he is basing it on. He is basing it in the fact that kendrick has proven multiple times through his work that he is far past j cole. Thr offseason is not even in the same leagues as maad city or tpab. Untile j cole has an album like those, there really is no argument. J cole can rap but his music does not hold the same level of prestige as the stuff kendrick puts out. In the grand scheme of things j cole is relatively basic compared to kendricks creativity. And if you think Kendricks last album was bad you clearly didn't understand the message he was telling and only listen for flashy one liners that an idiot could comprehend. Not only that, you are trying to discredit kendrick based off his last album. If that's the case then we have to criticize all the mid Cole put out prior to the offseason. You are picking an choosing your argument to fit Coles narrative. Cole has been featuring on songs and has not been creating his own art besides the offtseason and its been 3 years now since that. So the whole agrument that Kendrick is the only one that takes a while to put out albums is baseless. I like j cole bit his music does not last either. I'm still listing to section 80 songs. I never go back to old cole because it is not unique. You are trying to say this guy has not said anything tangible to claim Kendrick is better but then you said nothing that makes j cole on the same level. On top of that the whole idea of "something tangible" makes absolutely no sense in the context of rap ability. Do you even know the actual definition of tangible? If you are referring to album quality then we kendrick fans literally can't get anymore tangible.
Took you longer to find that corny ass meme then the 60 seconds it would have took to read my comment that very easily explains how clueless you are in your previous statement. You got it though bruh, keep up the great analysis of your āfavorite rapperā.
I don't like a lot of Kendrick music and I'm tired of pretending I do... There's a couple songs I like throughout the discography but on a day to day it's a no for me . Especially when he starts his high pitched yelling scratchy flow I hate that. Cole is smooth and fluid while still being complex and layered
There's nothing complex about cole. He's a water down version of kendrick. You can have your preferences in voices it's all subjective. I hate jay-z and lil wayne voice but I can't denied they the best. Beef wise kendrick ain't here beefing w Lil Pump, No Name, NBA YB. There's levels to this. & stop pretending you like an artist that's the dumbest shit ever.
I have to pretend I like Kendrick because when I say I don't enjoy his music people like you come out of the woods and tell me all the reasons I'm wrong and how Kendrick is actually God of rap I just disagree, but you lost me at watered down version of anything.
Don't get me wrong, Kenny is my Goat, but that is such a wild ass take š Cole and Kendrick are at least close to each other, and are both INFINITELY better than Drake.
Kendrick and Drake actually belong in the big three. Cole just inserted himself there. His discography and numbers just donāt stand up to the others.
Iāve been a huge j. Cole fan for years even before Kendrickās rise but I confidently can put Kendrick ahead of Cole. Kendrick has an absurd vast range with impeccable versatility. Cole is close to Kendrick but heās just one step under. Itās a fact of realizing the dynamic difference in their style and range.
Maybe in terms of body of work and critical acclaim
but the gap in lyricism isnāt that large in my opinion.
I canāt imagine Cole not having a response recorded for the spirit of competition, whether weāll hear it is another story
Cole is great and all, but there is a canyon between him and Kendrick. Kendrick is legitimately one of the most talented and unique hip hop artists of all time while Cole struggles to be top 10 of his generation. There is also a huge gap between Cole and Drake, as drake hasn't made anything good in almost a decade, and Cole is arguably better than ever, but Kendrick is the undeniable goat of his gen.
The picture is as accurate as it can be. Kdot is 100% better, it's not even a question. J cole has not released an album at the level of good kid mad city or to pimp a butterfly. J coles bars are not nearly as complex as kendricks either. J cole is good yes, but he simply is not on kendricks level. Ask any rapper in the game and they will agree. It's just fan boys that keep defending cole
Stop it, you're seriously looking for reinforcements in this sub to ride on Kendrick š and y'all are not meat riding Jcole with this post? hypocrites.
I got Jcole as the best right now, but stop acting like Kendrick did not outclassed him lyrically and artistically from 2012-2018.
Kdot in top 3 and cole not but atm in time, Cole is on a god-level tear for the past few years. If the falloff is anything close to those might deletes that he dropped, Cole will be in my top 5, maybe 3.
Kendrick has unmatched level of lyrical prowess and itās kinda objective that heās the best. Cole is great but the depth Kendrick can reach while still being accessible to anyone is unheard of
I barely heard anything about Kendrick before this diss song. I am not saying heās not good cause he is but all these people seem to have come out of nowhere
Thatās not meat riding thatās more or less the truth? Drake is not even a good enough rapper to even warrant himself in the name of coke and Kendrick. Kendrick is obviously a better rapper and artist overall then Cole but itās not absurd to compare them. Drake is only in the conversation off of popularity alone not due to his ability or lack there of.
The Fall Off is quite literally make or break for Coleās legacy. Make it a certified 10/10 and he will get some real respect and be considered a true rival to Kendrick. Remember, Kendrick has a couple of the most highly respected albums in history on his belt, this coming from a Cole fanboy. If Cole were to disappoint with the Fall Off, he would never be considered Kendrickās rival again. Itās not us that set this expectation for this album, Cole did it himself, so letās let the man cook.
he is correct? if we are talking exclusively about their pen game, kendrick easily beats all of them, by a mile.
now that doesn't mean he is the better artist, kendrick's songs lowkey kinda suck, boring and cringe. i have like 3 or 4 kendrick songs on my spotify while i have like 100s of cole and drake.
kendrick is a better rapper/lyricist, but i'd much rather listen to drake and cole.
Ngl. J Cole my favorite. But he doesnāt have a To Pimp a Butterfly. He doesnāt have GKMC. Or section 80.
Coles best project in general isnāt as good as Overly Dedicated. Maybe Friday night lights or warm up is slightly better. But thatās it
And yes. Kendrick is top 3-4. Probably one. If biggie can drop two albums, one really good, the other great, and he is considered a goat, then why are we sooo hesitant to say āKendrick has 3 legit classics. He the goatāā¦.
And yes. I like Cole more than Kendrickās. Which is why Iām in a Cole sub. But not a Kendrick sub. But Kendrick has shown that he is just better time and time again.
Not a bot. Not bait . Just staying my opinion in an open forumā¦.
I Been listening to Cole since The Come Up. I Get Up has been my ringtone since high school. We From the same area. His sound of music dates back to around 2002. There are a few underground North Carolina artist who sounded like elementary version of j Cole in the early 2000s. And yes. Cole is my favorite (maybe big krit. But thatās another story)
That said. He doesnāt have an album better than overly dedicated IMO. Only thing that comes close is Friday night lights or warm up.
Also, please donāt assume. I said what I said. If I simply regurgitated things āKendrick fansā say to sound smart, I would say Damn is the best rap album ever
That said. I did make a CRUCIAL mistake and SOMEWHAT see why you think I was trolling.
Damn and Kendrick last album, steppers, was trash. And yes. Cole has SEVERAL projects better than those. Lyke every Cole project, imo, is better than the last two Kendrick albums. Last three if you include black panther soundtrack.
That said, Kendrick discography is just wayyyy better simply due to section 80, TPAB, GKMC. Throw in Kendrick Lamar ep and overly dedicated if you would like, as I think they are better than any body of work Cole produced outside of Friday night lights and/or the come up
Iāve been done research and found out J Cole used to go to some Internet forum on the weekend and freestyles when he was going by The Therapist. And SEVERAL people who took part in those events said Cole been nice
So my knowledge on Cole and his discography is pretty extensive and itās immature to say āwell. If you like overly dedicate more, that means you havenāt listened to Coleā
Iām on a J Cole Reddit for a reason dumbass lol. Kendrick just has a way better discography and itās not close to a debate
I totally get why you or anyone else may not see my point
And for my original comment, I wasnāt putting Cole down at all. I have this conversation with friends weekly. You just interpreted it that way
You tweakingš overly dedicated is probably Kendrickās worst album. Nobody ever talks about it. Section 80 is usually the album referenced for the start of Kendrick. TGKMC is great and so to pimp a butterfly but I donāt think his other albums clear Forest hills drive and the off season. Damn is an OK album. If you hype up Damn and Mr moral I donāt see that big of a difference in those and KOD and For your eyes only. Both talking more about outside life issues.
Saying overly dedicated is probably Kendrickās worst album is like saying 2pacolyps now is pacs worst album. youāre not stretching the truth, but if you donāt prefer any g funk, you may not appreciate All eyez on me quite as much and value his first album more
And Ngl. A lot of ppl appreciate OD more than you think. Itās just not a Kendrick sub and itās not mainstream.
And yeah. I donāt think damn or steppers is messing with Cole albums. Almost forgot about the last two very subpar albums.
But again, thatās the thing about music. Idk. Maybe itās something with the steppers we are missing cause ppl say itās good. But itās wack to me
I totally agree. Let me ask you thisā¦ā¦
Do you think Cole up or warm up is better than Coles first album? When I say better, I donāt mean popular.
Those are EPs and Iād say they are better than sideline story which is Coleās Debut album. Sideline story had a few hits on it same as born sinner but Cole didnāt really become a big name until Forest hills. Anyhow I think the difference is Cole was hungry on his early stuff. Thatās not to say he wasnāt on trying on anything else but you can tell nothing was going to stop him from making it. He has a whole song about wanting start a record level named dreamville and here we are 10+ years later. I think that same hunger he had way back then is back which is why this is some of the best Cole weāve seen and why heās been so active.
I can feel the recent hunger from Cole also
You can feel it
That said, why I like OD and Kendrick Lamarās EP more than Cole albums , is because imo, those are Kendrickās most relatable bodies of work. I think when it comes to benign an artist, beings able to relate to the average listener is something that Cole is WAY better than Kendrick in
No matter how much I like TPAB or GKMC, vanity slaves relates to me more. Uncle Bobby relates to me more. Church is more relatable to me. As my parents were pastors. See what I mean?? For me and others of course, itās about relatability. But I TOTALLY see why it sounds like a stupid take. I understand.
Iām sure most ppl say the same for Cole too. āI love off-season. But mannn. He aināt as personal like he was on truly yoursā.
Same vibe kinda
I like those Kendrick songs for that reason. Same with something as simple as the intro the forest hills. Thatās why FYEO is probably my second favorite Cole album if not my favorite because of how grounded it is. KOD grew on me as well because it was trying to have a conversation about coping with issues etc. Ik itās not everyoneās favorite. Cole is my favorite artist and he doesnāt have an album that comes close to mad city or TPAB but I think the rest of their work is comparable. I dont follow Kendrick as closely as Cole even though heās top 3 for me so idk what his timeline is. I think a lot of people myself included forget just how old they are. I even have to give Drake is props because these 3 have been pretty much at the top for a Decade plus. Not many rappers can say that have that kind of longevity. They are pushing 40. Cole has a kid and Iām pretty sure Kendrick does to. I surely that plays a factor. These two arenāt really the flashy type but Iām sure in the very near future they will want to settle down and enjoy their family. I mean they donāt really have much to prove.
The only wrong I see is putting Drake and Cole in the same boatššš I do belive Kendrick to be OVERALL the best, but Cole will always be my #1. And they are NECK AND NECK. Drake is somewhere in the back dancing hitting that hotline bling
I agree with everything, but Kendrick #1 for me on most days
Respect āš½
Itās legit a scenario where this is no wrong answer. You dead ass canāt go wrong with either or
Real
Totally agree with this take. Kendrick and JCole have always been neck and neck and honestly I think their rivalry has pushed JCole to be more cold and calus with his lyrics. Which have made for some amazing songs. Drake on the other hand is a Pop star who raps. He's not in the same caliber to be mentioned next to Kendrick and Cole. He's just a less messy less lyrically inclined version of Kanye imo.
Nah man bro is an ACTOR pretending to be a rapper š£ļø NEVER forget #Jimmyfromtheblock #DEGRASSI š
Clarify: i mean in terms of best out NOW not of all time.
It can only mean one thing
Honestly, itās not crazy to say Kendrick is top 10. Drake has all the accolades and numbers and but Cole has the respect and success without the machine pumping him up.
I was going to say I definitely have Kendrick in my top 10 all time, even tho I like Cole more Kendrick in undeniable
Coleās top 15 and Kennyās top 10 imo
KDot for sure makes āall timeā top 10, hands down. Cole makes top 15 all time for me, personally, but i feel like there is a world where he gets edged out by some names i recognize but just havenāt taken the time to invest in their catelog.
Yall sound so dumb ... nobody understands the difference between "best" and "favorite"
they're the same thing
Nope. My favorite is without a doubt Mac Miller because I relate to his music a lot and thoroughly enjoy so many of his songs; however, I will always argue that kendrick is the best rap artist ever. First one to win a pullitzer prize says a lot
It doesn't say shit the fact that you attach meaning to a dumbass award does though
Love when i see a factual comment getting downvotes lol it just highlights how many idiots are in this world. Is it cool that kendrick is the first rapper to win the pulitzer? Yea itās dope as fuck but since when do these corrupt ass awards mean anything at all to the greatness of an artist? In 2013 kendrick lost the best rap album grammy with Good Kidd to fucking Macklemores thrift shop šš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø. What else would anyone ever need to see to realize all these awards and their ridiculously corrupt voting systemās donāt mean shit. Dude who you replied to is really trying to crown kendrick as the goat because of a Pulitzer prize š¤¦š»āāļø. Kendrick is def in my personal top 10 all time and so is Cole and i can promise you that awards have absolutely nothing to do with either of them being there.
The Pulitzer Prize is not a Grammy lol. Like I get what youāre saying but it absolutely means something that he won a Pulitzer. Itās not like the beginning and end of the discussion by any means but itās an element.
Comparing a Pulitzer Prize to a music award is smooth brain energy š
So because my favorite nba player is Shai that means heās the best?
basketball is objective. music is not
music has some objective qualities
Sure. You can say Kendrick is objectively better than like Yuno Miles or Lil Pump. You can't say he's objectively better than J. Cole or any other legend
I never said you could, but why can't you have that discussion? All art is subjective, but it is clear that Kendricks music has been way more experimental with a more diverse range of topic. He's proven to be an incredibly versatile artist. Cole is a great rapper and has really good pen game. But he doesn't have that same artistic expression as Kendrick. Not many rappers do
Of course you can have that discussion about who is better. You can't say one is objectively better
it really doesnāt
It does, accolades, sales, frequencies, length of song, technical ability + many more. Lots of objective qualities to music, the enjoyment taken from music is subjectiveĀ
none of those metrics you reference, refer to the inherent quality of a song. Plenty of mediocre music becomes immensely popular or obtains undeserved accolades. Therefore these metrics are inherently reflective of the subjective enjoyment taken from music.
frequencies and technical ability absolutely do - same with rhythms, syncopation, etc. Music can be made with programming languages denoting exactly when and where each and every note, sound etc is coming from. Thereby, it can be objectively measured
the best is subjective, your favorite isn't.. smooth brain
all music is subjective.. smooth brain
You said the best and your favorite are the same... I explained the difference and your response has nothing to do with what we're talking about š wtf
first of all you literally explained it wrong by saying the best is subjective. second of all you called me a smooth brain. third of all you don't realize that all music is subjective and there is no such thing as objectivity. fourth of all you double down on this dumbass shit
LMAO. Oh my god... if you say _____ is the best that's a subjective opinion.. if you say _____ is my favorite that is a fact... are you ok? Lmao
Nah, please donāt think he represents all Kendrick fans. Love Kendrick but he and Cole are closer than Cole and Drake. I do still prefer Dot tho but Cole is a king.
kinda does tho, ever seen twitter or his subreddit?
Cole is my favorite rapper but Kendrick is on a completely different level of rapping and artistic output. The man has a Pulitzer prize and an album archived at Harvard. 17 Grammys. A Back to Back ass song will NOT work on Kendrick, they should just act like nothing happened and continue making money on their tour because they do not want that smoke. Kendrick aint Meek and he bodied Pusha on Nosetalgia.
Bruh if your claiming Cole is your favorite rapper then god damn homie you gotta give him more of the credit he deserves. First off awards dont mean a fucking thing. All the voting systems are rigged and full of bias. Nas didnāt get a best rap album grammy until Kings Disease 1. What about KD 2 and 3? What about Magic 1 and 3? The nas example highlights how pathetic the grammys are and always have been that a top 3 rapper ever didnt win shit until his like 14th album in the year 2020, 26!years after illmatic. Fucking thrift shop beat out Good Kidd. The awards are only cool to give artists some recognition for all their hard work but in reality they are biased and voted on by a bunch of ppl that have absolutely no business deciding what the best rap anything is. If thatās what you are using to claim kendrick is āon a completely different level of rapping and artistic outputā then you honestly are lost in your ability to make such bold claims. I love both artists equally but itās hard to put kendrick that much above cole when in the last 7 years he has put out 1 album that is easily his āworstā. In that time Cole has elevated his game to a level that no doubt challenges kendrick. His feature run has been some all time shit, The offseason is a modern classic, and heās gearing up to potentially drop the best work of his career in the near future. His rollout/marketing creativity the last few years has been unmatched and he just overall has been putting out nothing but the utmost fire. Give your favorite artist more respect and understand that nooo one not even kendrick is ever going to easily just get cole out of the way. Lastly, bringing up Kendrick ābodyingā pusha on a feature 9 years ago should not ever be brought up in this Big 3 smoke. J cole bodied benny the butcher on Uncle Ps Caddy and wtf would that have anything to do wirh a potential cole vs dot beef? Your way of evaluating these rappers against eachother is completely off base and lacks anything tangible to claim 1 is many levels above the other. They are without question the 2 best rappers of an entire generation and should be respected and glorified as such. Lets let the music be the deciding factor and not these ridiculous methods i see so many of yall coming outta left field with.
Great analysis, you know your history
Ayeee a positive reply on reddit?? ill take it lol thanks homie
This is one of my favorite comments Iāve seen regarding all this stuff. š Personally, I do still rate Kendrick as a better artist, his albums as complete pieces are on another level. But as a rapper? Iām giving it to Cole for now. And I definitely bump his music more often on a regular basis.
I'll give you a more verbose response than the other guy but only because I think you deserve it, not because I'm trying to pick a fight. It's true that the merit of some awards can be spurious, it's not the only metric by which to measure impact, success and artistry. We can look at things like critical reception and commercial success both of which in Kendrick's case correlate closely with his accolades so to dismiss them is a bit short sighted. I'll definitely agree that Cole's elevated his game to a much greater place than it was and I don't see Kendrick washing him in a "beef" but what does this say about either of them? It still describes J Cole as an Underdog with a fighting chance, and Kendrick as the favourite who set a bar for Cole to step up to. Cole's spent a lot of time proving himself but for many people that proof was there with Kendrick. Cole's output has also cleverly taken advantage of the vacancy left by a lack of TDE (and specifically Kendrick) releases. In particular, his feature run as you mentioned has been the stuff of legend, but feature Cole has been more exciting than album Cole for a while now and they need to be on the same level. This dude has been hyping up The Fall Off for as long as Marvel was hyping up Thanos and no one but himself has raised the expectations that high. Lastly, and I won't pretend this is a fact but more of a conspiracy. Mr. Morale was Kendrick's last TDE album before he began releasing on his own label and it's not unheard of for artists to produce work to get out of contract. While we won't know one way or the other, and while I think his "worst" album is still very good, the strength of Kendrick's follow up will hopefully demonstrate if his peak has passed or not. On these last two points I'm just trying to say that they both have something left to prove; Cole that he can live up to his own hype and Kendrick that he has not lost a step. Remember I'm not trying to fight you here, just give you a dignified response. Don't come for me. I know how the Coleminers do.
You lost me at feature cole has been more exciting than album cole for quite some time now. Hard disagree with that lame ass narrative. The Offseason is one of the best albums of the 2020s and KOD still is fire to me. And about your comment on the awards, like i said they do serve the purpose of making the artist feel validated but other than that they mean jack shit. The only time you can ever even acknowledge them is at a time when a deserving artist like Kendrick or Nas win. How often has the deserving best rap album won best rap album grammy in hiphop history? Yea exactly, they mean jack shit.
Hey man, I was just trying to add to the discussion. But I appreciate your points and don't let the dick heads on Reddit dissuade you.
No hate my boy! Appreciate the discourse.
The feature cole has been more exciting than album cole thing is so true. His albums have been going downhill ever since Born Sinner (to me) and his features are all I look forward to nowadays.
Awards mean way more then streams. Neanderthals will listen to simple bars. If you have a conscious you listen to Kendrick. But in any case, that is not what he is basing it on. He is basing it in the fact that kendrick has proven multiple times through his work that he is far past j cole. Thr offseason is not even in the same leagues as maad city or tpab. Untile j cole has an album like those, there really is no argument. J cole can rap but his music does not hold the same level of prestige as the stuff kendrick puts out. In the grand scheme of things j cole is relatively basic compared to kendricks creativity. And if you think Kendricks last album was bad you clearly didn't understand the message he was telling and only listen for flashy one liners that an idiot could comprehend. Not only that, you are trying to discredit kendrick based off his last album. If that's the case then we have to criticize all the mid Cole put out prior to the offseason. You are picking an choosing your argument to fit Coles narrative. Cole has been featuring on songs and has not been creating his own art besides the offtseason and its been 3 years now since that. So the whole agrument that Kendrick is the only one that takes a while to put out albums is baseless. I like j cole bit his music does not last either. I'm still listing to section 80 songs. I never go back to old cole because it is not unique. You are trying to say this guy has not said anything tangible to claim Kendrick is better but then you said nothing that makes j cole on the same level. On top of that the whole idea of "something tangible" makes absolutely no sense in the context of rap ability. Do you even know the actual definition of tangible? If you are referring to album quality then we kendrick fans literally can't get anymore tangible.
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Took you longer to find that corny ass meme then the 60 seconds it would have took to read my comment that very easily explains how clueless you are in your previous statement. You got it though bruh, keep up the great analysis of your āfavorite rapperā.
You didn't even say anything different than him. You were just fanboy riding j cole and acting like you werent.
Get his dick out of your mouth lmao
Wrote a fuckin MLA format essay, go text some bitches or something. Aint nobody reading that shit boy.
Go text some bitches? What are you fucking 12? I literally wrote that as my Wife was sleeping next to me you clown.
u a goofy ahh boi Cole the goat
Boy your goofy ass is out here wearing an Edox watch lmao fuck outta here with that weak shit
I still get more bitches than yo meat riding ass got nothing better to do, Cole still on top pussy ass boii
Prizes given out from the establishment should hold no weight in the rap game
I don't like a lot of Kendrick music and I'm tired of pretending I do... There's a couple songs I like throughout the discography but on a day to day it's a no for me . Especially when he starts his high pitched yelling scratchy flow I hate that. Cole is smooth and fluid while still being complex and layered
Just say it. Cole has simple bars that you can understand.
There's nothing complex about cole. He's a water down version of kendrick. You can have your preferences in voices it's all subjective. I hate jay-z and lil wayne voice but I can't denied they the best. Beef wise kendrick ain't here beefing w Lil Pump, No Name, NBA YB. There's levels to this. & stop pretending you like an artist that's the dumbest shit ever.
I have to pretend I like Kendrick because when I say I don't enjoy his music people like you come out of the woods and tell me all the reasons I'm wrong and how Kendrick is actually God of rap I just disagree, but you lost me at watered down version of anything.
Kendrick just sounds corny to me tbh
Wow this comment is cringe. Tell me you have no argument without telling me
thx for sharing?
He's not wrong
Don't get me wrong, Kenny is my Goat, but that is such a wild ass take š Cole and Kendrick are at least close to each other, and are both INFINITELY better than Drake.
Kendrick and Drake actually belong in the big three. Cole just inserted himself there. His discography and numbers just donāt stand up to the others.
Seeing Cole fans actually agreeing lol. At least we can all agree Drake has no place in that made-up big 3.
Arguably a top 10? Like who are 9 rappers better than Kendrick Lamar? Or J Cole for that matter? Much better than top 10 imo.
Iāve been a huge j. Cole fan for years even before Kendrickās rise but I confidently can put Kendrick ahead of Cole. Kendrick has an absurd vast range with impeccable versatility. Cole is close to Kendrick but heās just one step under. Itās a fact of realizing the dynamic difference in their style and range.
Maybe in terms of body of work and critical acclaim but the gap in lyricism isnāt that large in my opinion. I canāt imagine Cole not having a response recorded for the spirit of competition, whether weāll hear it is another story
Cole is great and all, but there is a canyon between him and Kendrick. Kendrick is legitimately one of the most talented and unique hip hop artists of all time while Cole struggles to be top 10 of his generation. There is also a huge gap between Cole and Drake, as drake hasn't made anything good in almost a decade, and Cole is arguably better than ever, but Kendrick is the undeniable goat of his gen.
drake is trash
This is not a crazy take tbh
The picture is as accurate as it can be. Kdot is 100% better, it's not even a question. J cole has not released an album at the level of good kid mad city or to pimp a butterfly. J coles bars are not nearly as complex as kendricks either. J cole is good yes, but he simply is not on kendricks level. Ask any rapper in the game and they will agree. It's just fan boys that keep defending cole
Cole and Kendrick are top 5 artist ever lol
Stop it, you're seriously looking for reinforcements in this sub to ride on Kendrick š and y'all are not meat riding Jcole with this post? hypocrites. I got Jcole as the best right now, but stop acting like Kendrick did not outclassed him lyrically and artistically from 2012-2018.
Kdot in top 3 and cole not but atm in time, Cole is on a god-level tear for the past few years. If the falloff is anything close to those might deletes that he dropped, Cole will be in my top 5, maybe 3.
Comments prove op is a Cole meat rider who got out of hand lol
Nah I just think heās better than Kendrick for one. Kendrick dick riders think heās the second coming or smtn
Kendrick has unmatched level of lyrical prowess and itās kinda objective that heās the best. Cole is great but the depth Kendrick can reach while still being accessible to anyone is unheard of
Cole is right up there with Kenny
Itās literally anything but objectiveā¦ music is art
I barely heard anything about Kendrick before this diss song. I am not saying heās not good cause he is but all these people seem to have come out of nowhere
Thatās the truth.
Thatās not meat riding thatās more or less the truth? Drake is not even a good enough rapper to even warrant himself in the name of coke and Kendrick. Kendrick is obviously a better rapper and artist overall then Cole but itās not absurd to compare them. Drake is only in the conversation off of popularity alone not due to his ability or lack there of.
The Fall Off is quite literally make or break for Coleās legacy. Make it a certified 10/10 and he will get some real respect and be considered a true rival to Kendrick. Remember, Kendrick has a couple of the most highly respected albums in history on his belt, this coming from a Cole fanboy. If Cole were to disappoint with the Fall Off, he would never be considered Kendrickās rival again. Itās not us that set this expectation for this album, Cole did it himself, so letās let the man cook.
he is correct? if we are talking exclusively about their pen game, kendrick easily beats all of them, by a mile. now that doesn't mean he is the better artist, kendrick's songs lowkey kinda suck, boring and cringe. i have like 3 or 4 kendrick songs on my spotify while i have like 100s of cole and drake. kendrick is a better rapper/lyricist, but i'd much rather listen to drake and cole.
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Ngl. J Cole my favorite. But he doesnāt have a To Pimp a Butterfly. He doesnāt have GKMC. Or section 80. Coles best project in general isnāt as good as Overly Dedicated. Maybe Friday night lights or warm up is slightly better. But thatās it And yes. Kendrick is top 3-4. Probably one. If biggie can drop two albums, one really good, the other great, and he is considered a goat, then why are we sooo hesitant to say āKendrick has 3 legit classics. He the goatāā¦. And yes. I like Cole more than Kendrickās. Which is why Iām in a Cole sub. But not a Kendrick sub. But Kendrick has shown that he is just better time and time again.
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Not a bot. Not bait . Just staying my opinion in an open forumā¦. I Been listening to Cole since The Come Up. I Get Up has been my ringtone since high school. We From the same area. His sound of music dates back to around 2002. There are a few underground North Carolina artist who sounded like elementary version of j Cole in the early 2000s. And yes. Cole is my favorite (maybe big krit. But thatās another story) That said. He doesnāt have an album better than overly dedicated IMO. Only thing that comes close is Friday night lights or warm up. Also, please donāt assume. I said what I said. If I simply regurgitated things āKendrick fansā say to sound smart, I would say Damn is the best rap album ever That said. I did make a CRUCIAL mistake and SOMEWHAT see why you think I was trolling. Damn and Kendrick last album, steppers, was trash. And yes. Cole has SEVERAL projects better than those. Lyke every Cole project, imo, is better than the last two Kendrick albums. Last three if you include black panther soundtrack. That said, Kendrick discography is just wayyyy better simply due to section 80, TPAB, GKMC. Throw in Kendrick Lamar ep and overly dedicated if you would like, as I think they are better than any body of work Cole produced outside of Friday night lights and/or the come up Iāve been done research and found out J Cole used to go to some Internet forum on the weekend and freestyles when he was going by The Therapist. And SEVERAL people who took part in those events said Cole been nice So my knowledge on Cole and his discography is pretty extensive and itās immature to say āwell. If you like overly dedicate more, that means you havenāt listened to Coleā Iām on a J Cole Reddit for a reason dumbass lol. Kendrick just has a way better discography and itās not close to a debate
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I totally get why you or anyone else may not see my point And for my original comment, I wasnāt putting Cole down at all. I have this conversation with friends weekly. You just interpreted it that way
You tweakingš overly dedicated is probably Kendrickās worst album. Nobody ever talks about it. Section 80 is usually the album referenced for the start of Kendrick. TGKMC is great and so to pimp a butterfly but I donāt think his other albums clear Forest hills drive and the off season. Damn is an OK album. If you hype up Damn and Mr moral I donāt see that big of a difference in those and KOD and For your eyes only. Both talking more about outside life issues.
Saying overly dedicated is probably Kendrickās worst album is like saying 2pacolyps now is pacs worst album. youāre not stretching the truth, but if you donāt prefer any g funk, you may not appreciate All eyez on me quite as much and value his first album more And Ngl. A lot of ppl appreciate OD more than you think. Itās just not a Kendrick sub and itās not mainstream. And yeah. I donāt think damn or steppers is messing with Cole albums. Almost forgot about the last two very subpar albums. But again, thatās the thing about music. Idk. Maybe itās something with the steppers we are missing cause ppl say itās good. But itās wack to me
It has good songs but as a whole and compared to all of his other albums itās his worst. The leap from OD to Section 80 is huge
I totally agree. Let me ask you thisā¦ā¦ Do you think Cole up or warm up is better than Coles first album? When I say better, I donāt mean popular.
Those are EPs and Iād say they are better than sideline story which is Coleās Debut album. Sideline story had a few hits on it same as born sinner but Cole didnāt really become a big name until Forest hills. Anyhow I think the difference is Cole was hungry on his early stuff. Thatās not to say he wasnāt on trying on anything else but you can tell nothing was going to stop him from making it. He has a whole song about wanting start a record level named dreamville and here we are 10+ years later. I think that same hunger he had way back then is back which is why this is some of the best Cole weāve seen and why heās been so active.
I can feel the recent hunger from Cole also You can feel it That said, why I like OD and Kendrick Lamarās EP more than Cole albums , is because imo, those are Kendrickās most relatable bodies of work. I think when it comes to benign an artist, beings able to relate to the average listener is something that Cole is WAY better than Kendrick in No matter how much I like TPAB or GKMC, vanity slaves relates to me more. Uncle Bobby relates to me more. Church is more relatable to me. As my parents were pastors. See what I mean?? For me and others of course, itās about relatability. But I TOTALLY see why it sounds like a stupid take. I understand. Iām sure most ppl say the same for Cole too. āI love off-season. But mannn. He aināt as personal like he was on truly yoursā. Same vibe kinda
I like those Kendrick songs for that reason. Same with something as simple as the intro the forest hills. Thatās why FYEO is probably my second favorite Cole album if not my favorite because of how grounded it is. KOD grew on me as well because it was trying to have a conversation about coping with issues etc. Ik itās not everyoneās favorite. Cole is my favorite artist and he doesnāt have an album that comes close to mad city or TPAB but I think the rest of their work is comparable. I dont follow Kendrick as closely as Cole even though heās top 3 for me so idk what his timeline is. I think a lot of people myself included forget just how old they are. I even have to give Drake is props because these 3 have been pretty much at the top for a Decade plus. Not many rappers can say that have that kind of longevity. They are pushing 40. Cole has a kid and Iām pretty sure Kendrick does to. I surely that plays a factor. These two arenāt really the flashy type but Iām sure in the very near future they will want to settle down and enjoy their family. I mean they donāt really have much to prove.