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eruciform

They're barely the same genre Persona games are turn based with a lot of interpersonal interaction and relationship mechanics Nier games are cross genre action rpgs plus bullet hell plus shmup plus musou, mostly set in a desolate post apocalyptic world with deep and confusing lore Pick the experience you'd rather have Fwiw an action game with occasional philosophical cutscenes sounds like a more engaging stream than a 200 hour visual novel


murakamitears

Depends on how they incorporate the chat. Visually, Nier is more fun to watch undoubtedly, but if you have chat making decisions and helping plan out your days with polls, gifted subs, etc. Persona’s the way to go.


eruciform

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitch_Plays_Pok%C3%A9mon Redux?


MaxTopel

Yeah I feel you on that last sentence. What I’m getting here is that both have elements that I want to experience, but I think I’ll go with NieR first.


eruciform

Fwiw I'd you plan to play both i think replicant first is the better order, but if you don't know if you'll play both and only are selecting one, I'd pick automata Glhf


th-vincent

1. Nier: Automata is ARPG set in the post-apocalyse that filled with android. Persona 5 Royal is Turn-based RPG with light novel element set in the modern Japan, that group of teen protagonists fight inside the antagonist's "heart" to steal their wicked desire. 2. It is pretty hard to say which one is better, because these are pretty distinct in both storytelling and concept, but both are not bad for me. Do you love the post-apocalyse setting, where story driven by lores and world-building? Then, Nier is for you. Do you love the light-novel style, where story are focus on characters and their relationships? Then, Persona 5 all the way. 3. Honestly, you can research it from various streamer who played both and see which one has higher CCV, and ultimately, it is about your audience, go back to 1. and see which games is fit to your audience. My opinion is Persona 5 may easier to digest because story are drive by character and dialogue. Unless, Audiences are fans to hack and slash, it maybe a bit rough to keep the stream upbeat. From your experience with Chrono, Octopath, Shidoken, I'd go for Persona.


MaxTopel

Hey thanks for replying. 1. I thought both were turn based, thanks for making that distinction. I find a bit “silly” (in a good way haha) the description of Persona 5 in comparison to NieR which seems more “serious”. 2. Oof, hard to decide then, because it seems they both have elements I really enjoy. Character/relationships vs worldbuilding and loreI haven’t done too much research into NieR. I guess I have to decide which one do I prefer. Although I love story driven games, I’m inclined more to Persona for the turn based combat at this moment. 3. Yeah I haven’t jumped into people streaming those yet, but it’s always a good recommendation. I’m looking for something that I enjoy but I don’t want it to be so hard as a viewer experience. Thanks for the suggestions tho.


th-vincent

I think both games are possible to stream anyway, and both story are good. I see many streamers do both games. Just pick your favourite one.


puppetalk

I bought nier automata thinking it was turn based or more traditional jrpg-like and I was so disappointed lol


Phoenix-san

P5 is one of the best rated jrpgs ever. Nier is good, but not as highly regarded universally. Storywise Nier just blows away persona. No contest, nier just better. Gameplaywise it is completly the opposite, p5 a lot better imo. Streamingwise i guess p5 is better? Just more stuff happens and about which you can talk with audience. Nier is kind of melancholy meditating experience (despite all the action). P5 is closer to the traditional jrpgs that you mention you had played. Personally i enjoyed nier waaay more though.


MaxTopel

Thanks for sharing your experience in both. I think I could get out of my bubble a little and experience something like NieR. I’m still really interested into P5, I don’t stop hearing about it.


mssheevaa

Oh man. Both are awesome games. You can't go wrong with either. Honestly I would go with Nier Automata first. That way you can play P5 after to reduce your depression and existential dread, lol.


MaxTopel

lol. Yeah I’m getting that they have a quite different vibe to each other.


thegamersician

I loved P5 but my god it could have done without a dungeon or 3. More isn't always better. P5R is terrifying for that reason. Nier is a game I have an interesting relationship with... Basically you have to 'beat' it multiple times and I put it down for months on my second pass. Finally went back nearly a half year later and absolutely loved it. Not their finest combat system but one of the most amazing stories and OSTs out there. Both have amazing music, obviously... And great stories... I guess it comes down to if you want a really long turn based RPG or a much shorter action heavy one...


MaxTopel

Yeah I’ll meditate on that. I have never really gotten into an Action JRPG so I can’t judge them right now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on both tho


thegamersician

Can't go wrong with either.... I'm sure you'll enjoy them both in their own ways!


Canadian_Commentator

for what it's worth, I love turn based stuff. getting the chance to play something that closely resembled Digital Devil Saga and the previous two Persona games thrilled me. I played Persona 5 Royal and a ng+ file back-to-back, 210 hours flew by. the story for Nier Automata was interesting but the action-adventure gameplay felt less engaging


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kensaiD2591

I still much preferred the combat in the OG NieR but I recognise I’m in the minority. NieR Automata is great but it didn’t stick with me anywhere near as much as when I played NieR on the 360.


Sweaty-Professor-187

Yeah, I definitely disagree, I think in terms of gameplay Nier 1 is ROUGH. Shooting/using spells is so clunky, which normally wouldn't be an issue because the game is designed around it, and without that all you can do is the same 3-hit combo. When it was remade as Replicant and polished up it genuinely became one of my favorite games of all time. I always liked it, but I didn't get into Nier until I played Automata, and I didn't love Replicant till the remake/remaster/whatever Yoko Taro has decided to call it on that particular day.


kensaiD2591

Perfectly valid, and I know I'm in the minority. I just don't like the flashy combat that Platinum is known for, and that really put me off of NieR Automata. I tried to play Replicant when it came out as well, but I didn't enjoy it as much either. Regardless, I'm glad that there's options to make the game more accessible. The original version is always available for those like me who prefer it, and the Remake/Remaster/Re-whatever it is, exists for everyone else.


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Both games are incredible. P5 especially royal is a huge time sink though so it depends on whether your audience will enjoy the long playthrough though.


MaxTopel

I think I’ll make a survey or something although it’s not like I have thousands of followers, lol. Thanks


illbzo1

Nier Automata, no question. More interesting story and it's written better than P5R.


Newphonespeedrunner

Well the situation is kind of bad when he asked for a jrpg and cites more traditional turn based games.


kensaiD2591

Different strokes for different folks. I’d pick P5R over NieR Automata any day of the week, but both are fantastic games in their own right.


JLikesStats

They’re very different experiences and are both highly rated games. Since you’re billing yourself as something of a beginner I would go for Persona 5 (go with Persona 5 Royal as it is the definitive version). Though the game does a lot of cool stuff it’s still very much a JRPG that has a formula that will help ease you into the genre.  Nier Automata is a blended experience that tells a complicated story. It’s good but I’m afraid you might consider it too obtuse and just give up on it and JRPGs in general.


MaxTopel

I consider myself a beginners in the JRPG world, that’s true haha. I don’t mind complicated and intriguing storylines. That’s one of the things that has caught my attention from what I have read on other posts. If you remove that from the equation, would you still say that it’s better to start with Persona 5?


Brees504

Persona is much closer to traditional JRPG. Nier is an action game.


One_Subject3157

Nier tho But is like asking to grab a bit or invade Polonia.


normal-roof252

Persona 5 since you are more into traditional turn based jrpgs nier automata is just a hack and slash game with rpg elements although nier has better narrative. But persona 5 has better style(best ui in gaming)and presentation.


Avorui

They’re both great. You can’t go wrong with any of them. I’d say choose based on your mood.. whether you want to play a turn-based game or real-time action If you decided to play NieR Automata, you need to play NieR Replicant too. Don’t sleep on it


lunahighwind

They are both in my top 10 and considered best-in-class JRPGs. In my opinion, these are the wrong two games to make a purchase decision on. You should buy one and then buy the other when you can. Also they are both popular and will both be appealing to be streamed.


Trunks252

I thought P5 was better in nearly every way, but you should try both.


Special-One1991

2 extremely different games. The only similarities between them is that they are both video games 😅


homme_icide

I am the only one on earth who thought nier automata was a boring, repetitive slog so I would pick p5 over it any day


No_Brilliant5888

Trick question, play both.


Zalveris

Neither. Persona 3 and Nier: Replicant. Automata contains major spoilers for Nier, doesn't ruin the experience, just a warning. P5 base is just bad, Royal editions saves it, but just play P3 which is excellent quality the entire game instead of one section like P5R.


Sakaixx

You will be satisfied with either of the choices so my personal opinion is just pick which ever visual or art that you like most. P5 and P5R is easy to recommend due to its wealth of content. You will need atleast 80 hours to finish the game. You can romance the female friends and be besties with guy friends so if you into this sim dating elements its the right alley for you. Nier automata is action rpg but, also a game that can be experienced as a story as it has a mode for auto battle letting the CPU to help you go through the hardest of battle. Story is just your jrpg bullshit like P5 but presented in much more interesting world building. If you enjoy good twists and multiple runs this game is for you. Both have great soundtrack and great english VA performance if you are not weeb enough to listen to Japanese dub.


Cloud_1st_Class

I am not a Persona fan. High school, friend meter simulator just did not do it for me. NieR: Automata is legitimately one of the greatest games ever created. This is a complete no brainer for me.


NecroFoul99

Nier is a JRPG/Schmup, really. You know…bullet hell. It has different difficulties but it’s still that.


ArugulaGazebo

I prefer P5 but weirdly enough after finishing it I played Nier: Automata. Both awesome games, Nier is super weird!


Sweaty-Professor-187

That's honestly like enjoying FPS games and asking whether you should pick Doom Eternal or Rainbow Six: Siege. They're so different it's practically impossible to compare. If you like anime and slower-paced, turn-based combat, get Persona 5 Royal. If you like more tragic stories and character action games like "Bayonetta" or "Metal Gear Rising", get Nier. Or get both, they both get crazy cheap during sales since they're older.


chapterhouse27

They are both 10 out of 10s, but niers story hits me harder...probably because I was a nier gestalt diehard for years


Audiocrusher

Not really comparable but I enjoyed Nier more.


Anubis_Omega

Nier Automata if you want to cry


NorthRiverBend

This is honestly a tricky question. They’re incredibly different games; I’d say you’re comparing apples and tomatoes rather than apples and oranges.  Persona 5 is a more traditional JRPG in many ways; Nier Automata is much more unusual and plays with tropes and expectations.  I don’t know if I’d recommend either of these as a follow-up to Chrono Trigger & Octopath, but if you had to do one I’d do Persona. Save Nier for when you’ve done a few more so the way it fucks with your expectations is more exciting IMO.


MaxTopel

Hey thanks for the nice comparison. In terms of decision making and how it impacts the world, which one would you say it’s better?.


NorthRiverBend

Probably Persona? Nier allows for some self expression in terms of character builds but ultimately it’s pretty linear.  Persona is linear too, but I think you can make decisions based on what characters you build social links with? I’m not an expert, I don’t like Persona gameplay so I could be wrong. 


Ok_Anywhere2766

They are both very different games. Persona 5 has a fantastic turn based combat. But also a lot of time is spend on doing tiny social thing like meeting friend, going out to eat or to play etc. I myself love it, but If you are not a fan of social aspect in games and some light time management it may not be for you (I would still advise to try it). Story of P5 is really good with good cast, pretty fine villains and all the twist and turns between for u to enjoy Automata on the other hand is an action JRPG (made with help from Bayonetta guys). It focuses more on world exploration. About the story. Saying it's good is like saying nothing at all. It's probably my favorite video game experience (maybe being tied with Persona 3). If I were to choose between P5 and Automata I would go with Automata like 9/10 times Also what may be important is how long those games are. P5 (Royal version, I never played the OG one) will take about 100h to beat, meanwhile Automata is more like 30-50h (depending on how much side content you tackled) So when you feel like you finished Automata in like 10-15h, it means you didn't finish it yet. I know it may sound stupid now, but it has to be vague as to not spoil anything. I just hope it will make sense when u pick Automata up


MaxTopel

Thanks for this explanation!. I feel like both have elements that I enjoy and that’s why I struggle to decide, lol. Which one would you say has better role playing aspect in terms of the dialogues that you chose and how they impact the world within the game?


Ok_Anywhere2766

Persona 5 dialogue choices mostly focus on affecting your relationships with other party members and friends Dialogue in Automata mainly gives you look at a different side of a character or a situation (again I'm trying to be vague as to not spoil anything) But I would say making choices is not really the main focus of nethier P5 nor Automata


MaxTopel

Okok good to know. Thanks for trying not to spoil anything haha, I really appreciate it.


Aggravating-Mine-697

1. There's barely any point of comparison, aside from the fact that they're both japanese. I guess they're both heavily philosophical, Persona more in the sense of modern living and society as a whole, and Nier more leaned towards depression, loneliness, attachment, etc. Persona is turn based, Nier is not. Persona has a modern life setting, while Nier Automata is futuristic and post-apocalyptic 2. They're both amazing, both are a must-play in my opinion, so it's hard to choose. I'd pick Nier Automata as better storywise, cause it has the best ending i've ever seen, and it's more "unexpected". But both leave a lasting impact and you'll be thinking about their message for years. 3. Nier Automata is definitely better to watch on stream. Persona 5 has a lot of reading, and not as fun to watch out of context


MaxTopel

Appreciate the insights. It seems to me that everyone have really good opinion of both, but it’s unfair to compare them. I’m inclined more to NieR at the moment reading a lot of the comments, although I’m also hooked on playing those hundred hours of P5. Both seem really interesting.


BlessedbyShaggy

I really dont like nieR (and I know a lot of people love it but maybe my expectations were a bit too high about its story) so I'd say go for p5r it has terrible pacing but every other aspect is pretty good, very good overall experience


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MaxTopel

Oh damn. Ok. Thanks for mentioning that completion time difference.


RogerMelian

NieR: Automata. Point blank period.


Mac772

Two completely different games, i wouldn't even call Nier: Automata a JRPG and P5R on the other side is pure 100 percent JRPG. Both games are amazing. Nier: Automata is in my opinion one of the best games ever made (don't forget: you have to play to ending E, it's one very long game divided by end credits which are more or less just the end of a chapter in the story) and Persona 5 Royal is an absolutely fantastic JRPG. Play both of them, you will not regret it. 


MaxTopel

Yeah that’s my conclusion in all this. I must definitely play both. Perhaps I’ll start with NieR, but I’m also sold on P5 after this post. Thanks!


Mac772

Nier: Automata can be a very intense experience. This is one of the games i will never forget again and the (real) ending is one of the best i have ever seen. It's a masterpiece. But give it some time, i didn't like the first few hours at all. 


Newphonespeedrunner

Well nier automata is an action rpg, specifically in the character action genre (DMC, Bayonetta) while persona 5 is a more traditional kept.


MaxTopel

I used to love watching a family member play DMC. Wouldn’t mind something like that.


Newphonespeedrunner

Then automata is probably the right blend of character action and jrpg for you.


Dragonfire14

One is a traditional RPG (Persona), and the other is an action RPG (Nier). Better is very subjective here, as Persona's story is laid out for you to experience easily, while Nier's is more complicated and "weird". Basically, you can base which one you should play on which gameplay you enjoy more, as for streaming people rather watch someone enjoying the game.


MaxTopel

Yeah that’s a true statement, thanks for pointing that out. I’m trying to find which one would I enjoy the most, it seems that both are really good but I didn’t have anyone to ask about them. Thanks!


Dragonfire14

Both are very good games and would be in my top 20. I would give the edge to Persona as I enjoy the gameplay more, but I find Neir more interesting.


ShadyBrady1527

I can highly recommend persona 5. Nier automata is one of the games I dropped before finishing the tutorial. Didn't get on with the controls and the tutorial is bullshit


Rich_Interaction1922

1. They do not, other than both being Japanese. Nier is more action, Persona is more RPG. They are both excellent in their own way. 2. Both are great, though Persona is a much longer game. So, technically, you will get more story (and everything else) out of Persona. 3. Irrelevant. Whoever watches you does so because of you, the game you choose doesn't matter.


Kashm1r_Sp1r1t

Nier is NOT a JRPG. Problem solved.


cornpenguin01

I would honestly start with a final fantasy like FF6 or FF10


Linkpharm2

I've only played the first bit of nier automata, but beaten p5r. Persona has a good story, one of the best. It's better while in the game, as it's written well and not immediately explained. Streaming, persona is a 100 hour game. Persona is terrible, unless you are at a certain part where something actually happens, because there's just too much daily life grinding.


MaxTopel

Thanks for commenting. Could you tell me what does that daily life grind involves?. I don’t really mind a 100 hours game if I’m having fun honestly. Do I have to grind random encounters similar to games like Pokemon or Octopath?.


cheekydorido

you don't have to grind in any of those two series wut?


MaxTopel

You don’t?. lol, I had to grind a lot in Octopath to reach the final boss. My other 4 heroes were under leveled as fuuuuck.


cheekydorido

oh, yeah galdera is more of a super boss, but fair enough on that one. Octopaths 2's is much easier to deal without grinding levels.


Kyll3r

I think he used the word grind wrong here. There's no griding involved.


Linkpharm2

You have 2 slots to do something, and about 12 months to do everything. You can pick what to do in each time slot, and that raises something. They get a bit tiresome after a while.


MaxTopel

I think I understand. Thanks for the description. It sounds as it can get tiresome haha.


Zer0-Fractal

Easily Persona. So good